Melted fuel in Reactor No. 3 appears to have burned through pressure vessel — Loaded with rods containing plutonium

Published: May 18th, 2011 at 1:58 am ET
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Meltdowns also likely occurred at No. 2, No. 3 reactors of Fukushima plant, Asahi Shimbun, May 18, 2011:

And like the No. 1 reactor, the melted fuel appears to have created holes in the pressure vessel of the No. 3 reactor, according to the data of Tokyo Electric Power Co. released May 16. [...]

At the No. 3 reactor, the melted fuel may have burned through the pressure vessel to the containment vessel, the data showed. [...]

According to the data, the pressure in the pressure vessel of the No. 2 reactor dropped at 6:43 p.m. on March 15. A similar drop in pressure also took place at the No. 3 reactor at 11:50 p.m. on March 16.

Those declines were apparently the result of holes made in the pressure vessels. [...] it appears that melted nuclear fuel formed new holes in the pressure vessels. [...]

Radioactive materials, such as technetium, produced when nuclear fuel rods are damaged, have been detected in water in the No. 3 reactor building. That discovery has raised speculation that the melted nuclear fuel has breached the pressure vessel and landed in the containment vessel.

No. 3 reactor… is the only one at the site loaded with a mixed fuel known as mox, for mixed oxide, which includes reclaimed plutonium. -NYTimes

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77 comments to Melted fuel in Reactor No. 3 appears to have burned through pressure vessel — Loaded with rods containing plutonium

  • Bob Hardin

    So how far down has the atomic lava gone? The meltdown happened two months ago. How close to groundwater is the nuclear material?


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    • ZombiePlanet

      Shall I expect further details, from those who hold myself, in wild anticipation?

      OH!

      I will most definitely hold my breath for the next tidbit of suspense of “crucial” revelation from those who hold myself in dyer eagerness!

      OH! When shall the next truth arrive and, where will this great disclosure arrive from?

      Get a grip people.


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      • Misanthrope

        Oh shut up will you, you moralising twat. I don’t know if it’s your affected tone, your nonsensical syntax, your misspelling of ‘dire’, or your misunderstanding of the function of the comma that I find most irritating about your comments; but what a pompous ass you are!


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        • Moco

          Go back in your hole zombietroll.
          Go back to listening to rush and oreilly.


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          • Jack

            The Country Boy strolled across the Harvard campus,
            and
            met a professor on the path, so asked him,
            “pardon me Sir, but where is the Library at?”
            The Professor adjusted his spectacles, and said,
            “At, Harvard, we do not end a sentence with a Preposition”.
            So, the Country Boy grinned and said,
            “then, where is the Library at, Asshole?”
            ……….


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    • ocifferdave

      i hear often about groundwater and nuclear lava hitting it, and steam, and its the end as we know it when it happens. But…aren’t we already having that “product” right now by throwing tons of water on it already into an exposed reactor? I mean, will it suddenly be *BOOM!* worse?


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      • Atlantis

        if heat wave is going up to down and meet water u may have a vapour explosion and corium propeled into the air.

        if water is poured on corium u may have hydrogen produced. if there is no containment for it, hydrogen will lift and disperse. If there is containment, concentration increase until the optimum where ignition energy is damn low, and explosion will breach open what is left of containment.

        the second scenario make a open view on melted core. The radioactiv atmosphere diffusion is realy slow compared to vapour explosion scenario.

        Note that u can have other scenarios on the way to, depending on physics scales implied. But we dont have any data at the moment to speculate on it.


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    • PG

      Well, its been reported that Japan dropped up to 8′ following the EQ. High tides now flood several cities and villages daily. This is where i believe water was coming from which started flooding the controls of 5 & 6. Its hard to tell which reactors melted through what and when, but it is more than obvious that they lost control a long time ago. As for hitting the water table, one would think that should make for quite the show. Im not sure what is making things more confusing, their lies or the fact that few things are happening as logic says it should.


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  • There are only 38 days or less until the fuel sustains a full-scale fission criticality. The boron, (which stops nuclear fission from occurring) will have exceeded its lifespan by this time…
    Tepco had already made a request as of march to evacuate the reactors. Though they are being forced to see it until the end by the Japanese government. God bless their souls. As it surely is a death mission.

    The first death was reported on Friday. Meaning, that the situation is already well beyond cataclysmic. In all reality, the worlds biggest dirty bomb will be released in no more than 38 days…

    Tepco will likely evacuate the site between the dates: June 16th – June 28th…

    “This is because boron is limited and can no longer sustain its self within the current settings”.

    Meaning: the fuel will release amounts of neutrons in such excess that the boron “in any quantity” will be now be unable to capture enough neutrons to stop a criticality.

    At this time neutrons will begin to react against atoms, leading to a spike in temperatures exceeding any known cooling process… The fuel will then go core through the floor, and reach the water table in no less than 1-6 hours…

    At that time the fuel will both be released in atmospheric and oceanic / form. Plaguing Japan first and foremost. I presume that over 100,000- 10,000,000 deaths will be attributed to the event alone. Japan will likely be forced to abandon the main island entirely within that time.

    The continental united states will see the radiation within 2 days. The radiation will sweep across the northwest, as far north as Vancouver canada, and as far south as new mexico. The main area’s to be astray from are seattle through sandiego. The radiation will likely be 350 – 800cmp. (fyi 200cpm is when you should run indoors)…

    This will continue as a global norm for at least two months, at that time reactors 5 and 6 will likely begin the path to china syndrome. If you are in a temporary fallout shelter, by august, you should be planning to find a more permanent location to settle…

    Come November, the situation will likely start over again, now reaching 1000cpm or more. It will be anywhere up to a century for the initial radiation plumes to settle… The 600,000 spent fuel rods, will likely contaminate the entire planet killing 45% or more, of life on earth…

    “Once the reaction from neutrons has dwindled to a 100-300 cpm internationally”; The biological life forms will begin to emerge from the now very few uncontaminated portions of the planet… Though human dna will likely be mutated, and lifespans will be lowered to 20 – 44 years old in adult males, and 25 – 50 years old in Adult females.


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    • Tell Me True

      Will this story have a happy ending or will the radiation effect my digital games and television?


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    • marsh

      This is apocalyptic nonsense. Please stop spreading this bullshit. It is poison for us fighting against nuclear energy.


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    • Cassie

      Taco:
      Thank you for this information.
      What are your own survival plans in light of your view of things?
      If things unfold the way you see them, what advice do you have
      for us?
      Cassie


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    • So in short uncontrolled fission taking place inside the zirconium cells, lead to a temperature spike inside the core fuel cells to reactor 1. Once the heat reached beyond boiling point the tops of the fuel rods were exposed to the now present oxygen. Creating a violent reaction damaging the rods… This allowed the nuclear fuel pellets to escape their containment, dropping to the bottom of the reactor core. At that point Tepco then had no choice but to induce nitrogen into the reactor (as the melting of zirconium creates vast amounts of hydrogen)… While the nitrogen settled the hydrogen the remaining fuel collected in the bottom of the reactor, creating so much fission the fuel melted through 6 feet of metal and concrete landing in the reactors basement. Now were playing a dangerous waiting game. The GE reactor design has an emergency platform designed under the reactors containment in the event a meltdown was to occur, that feature was built to not only prolong a meltdown but also prevent fission as best it can… However, with the fuel heating up, you must consider that the water being implored with high levels of boron are doing little to nothing to prevent the fission from occuring… That being said, Its only going to be a short amount of time before the fuel likely surpasses the emergency system, and makes its way into the water table. After that happens, soil and water will produce steam clouds that will contaminate vast areas of the planet… =ing the evacuation of the site… Game Over.

      I assume this will be more like a nuclear fountain… Think of a geyser of radiation spewing into the atmosphere for the next 10 – 1000 years Like they are now except 20 times worse… One that will create temperatures that are unbearable to work near, rising to 120f. or greater… It will contaminate everything its stream touches. Fukushima would become a wasteland, of contamination and japan would need to extend the evacuation zone to at least 300km likely much much more area. though A china syndrome has never happened thus the math is beyond me… The contamination would spread in any nation internationally and nationally. (as it has now). but in much higher doses. likely 150 -350cpm… Note this is on the premiss that only one reactor has reached criticality… However: In the event there is an explosion, Well thats just bad… We would witness at least 3 – 300000 tons of metric nuclear waste, instantly turned into particle form… The release would do either one of three possible things… 1. a really bad case scenario: Assist reactors 2-6 in achieving a full fusion criticality, leading to an apocalyptic amount of radiation in such high density that anyone that is in its path would perish by suffocation; 2. The better, and yet less likely scenario: achieve a level of detonation, while completely staying within a safe proximity of the other troubled reactors on site, (which is very unlikely)… somehow redirecting most of the initial mass over and into the ocean… Thus spreading only minute levels of radiation globally… Then there is the worst case scenario… 3. (fyi, This is also a product of result #1)… If the fusion some how took the full site (all 6 reactor) in one big kaboom (meaning a full fusion criticality) … In lamen terms: There will be absolutely nothing left; Ever witness a: coronal mass ejection??? Now, have you ever heard of the earth creating one??? If there were an explosion leading to a full fusion criticality, You wouldn’t need to worry about flights or planning… That would register as an ELE. (extinction level event)… The explosion would likely blow the entire atmosphere off the planet.


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      • Cassie

        Mr. Tacomagroove:
        The suitable preparation and survival plan based on your scenarios, I would assume, involve saying goodbye to loved ones and making one’s peace with with a possible maker?
        I asked and you answered.
        Many thanks Tacoma.
        Cassie


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        • SabreKai

          Cassie, don’t be doing anything silly because of what this mutt has said. First off, the death on site was a 60 year old man working in a plastic suit like a green house. He died of heat exhaustion. Secondly there are no 600,000 fuel rods on site, its closer to 11,500.

          Things are indeed bad, but not cataclysmic like this guy would have you believe. While there is a huge risk of a steam explosion, the China syndrome as we commonly know it is a bit of a joke. A mass of fuel will indeed melt a hole in things. The metal and concrete and sand and stuff it has to melt through adds its mass to the original melt. It dilutes the fuel a bit more cutting down on the temperature. At some point, (hopefully before it reaches the water table) the melt will have become so diluted that it can no longer maintain a liquid state. At this point it will solidify but be very hot thermally as well as radioactively.

          The evidence of this is what is known as the “elephants foot” at Chernobyl. Those guys sweated for months trying to figure out where the fuel had gone, they were actually planning to install chillers under the basement of the reactor to cool the melt. However, as mentioned, it diluted itself to the point where it could no longer remain a liquid. Not only that but the melt ran in different directions through existing pipes and dispersed itself enough to prevent any further fission.

          I suggest you sit back, make yourself a decent drink and start doing some research. There are lots of groups out there looking at this mess 24/7 who have the technical skills to make intelligent comments instead of this unmitigated horseshit.


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          • Cassie

            SabreKai:
            Thank you for your concern and reassurance.

            And heavens no, I would never do anything silly or harmful. I was actually being a bit tongue in cheek in my post, maybe that does not come through. Just responding to his worst case scenario.

            LOL I don’t drink, but think I might start!

            Can you please recommend some of the sites you mention?

            Cassie


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          • Coot

            I have read 600,000 on other sites. Can you prove your 11,500 number? If not it is only a guess on your part, or wishfull thinking.


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    • SteveMT

      Radiation levels in MOX #3 are rising per latest “official” news release from NHK.
      http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/18_37.html

      Radiation level at No.3 reactor water intake rises
      Thursday, May 19, 2011 02:57 +0900 (JST)

      The operator of the damaged nuclear power plant in Fukushima has reported a sharp rise in the concentration of a radioactive material in samples of seawater near the Number 3 reactor.

      Tokyo Electric Power Company says it detected 110 becquerels of radioactive cesium-134 per cubic centimeters in seawater samples taken on Wednesday morning.

      The level is 1,800 times the national legal limit, compared to 550 times, which was reported the previous day.

      The utility also found 120 becquerels of cesium-137, 1,300 times higher than the limit.

      http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/18_37.html


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  • Cindy

    I think it’s a wait and see kind of thing ..

    I don’t think there is anything anybody can do at this point .. it’s too hot and too close to the ocean to bury or encase it .

    Aren’t we talking hundreds of tons of molten mess from each reactor ?

    How much does 1 fuel rod weigh ?
    How many were in each reactor?

    I wish Tepco and the Japanese Government would just tell all that they know, all at once …


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  • If you were referring to my post. Id really like to see exactly how you dispute my comments integrity. In fact, Id really, really, really, love to hear how you are planning on stopping the neutrons from their chain reaction…
    lets also hear your plan on cooling the melted core of the reactor once they are in an uncontrolled state of fission, wanting to create that 500k megawatts of nuclear energy.
    food for thought…


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    • Steven

      @ tacomagroove

      Not taking an opposing view here, in fact generally I’m leaning the same way but as a lay person I’m as unsure as the next guy. My best guess is that a steam explosion (as the molten core enters the water beneath the concrete) creates a kind of weapon style sudden criticality, much like the carefully engineered conventional explosive charges employed in nuclear weapons.

      The difference being, this is a much larger load of nuclear material than generally used in weapons :(

      So am I right in thinking the ‘best case’ scenario is a ‘fizzer’ steam explosion, which albeit dirty would at least limit the initial spread of radioactive particulates and blast damage? Similar if you like to the explosion at R3?

      I think what’s needed here is references, as stated I’m guessing and if you know something perhaps you could be kind enough to provide relevant links.


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    • Medical Student

      This problem can be easily solved with proper medications.


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      • Another Student

        Perhaps some chemotherapy, with boron push will settle this reactor?


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        • mothra

          The “holes” are really just the zirconium alloy plugs that melted in the vessel bottom. The vessels were designed with holes for rod removal from below. The plugs melt at a lower temperature. This happened some time ago. There’s no pressure – no containment. The corium would need to be in one place and under workable conditions for most chemical intervention, but it’s not and those options are limited. The only honest strategy is to control the public disclosure let it emit however many tons of fuel remain as they have been doing for months.


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      • Doctor of Medicine

        I prescribe a whopping dose of Prozac and margarita, to cure this problem before it goes insane.


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    • Arizonan

      I think we now know that all three (1,2,3) reactors have melted through their containment vessels and into their basements and possibly already beyond….we can’t know because humans can’t get down there. However, we really do not know exactly what will happen next. If the fuel spreads out, it may actually stop fissioning, because it needs to have mass in order to sustain a neutron chain reaction. If it pools up in a concentrated small mass in a hole somewhere, then yes, ongoing criticality with an explosion at the water table seems like a scenario that many engineers agree on. Whether it can get to the surface from 60 feet below….probably. Nuclear weapons only contain a small amount of fissile material and i think they bury them half a mile deep before they blow them up.
      Doomsday quickly or doomsday slowly…either way one needs to stay in the moment, in the day, and relish the life happening in front of one right now.


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      • Coot

        It will be easy to know when fissioning has stopped, iodine-131 will stop being present. As of today, they are still finding it in ever larger quantities, in places they hadn’t found it before. Not good.


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  • Noah

    Food Testing Results
    First test on Cherry Tomato

    Unwashed freshly harvested from home garden
    17% higher than background radiation

    Washed using “Bind It” & baking soda
    11% higher than background radiation

    The best decon/washing technique we have, resulted in a 6% decrease in radiation levels. But washing could not lower levels below or to ambient background level. This tomato plant was organically grown outdoors in planter box.

    I suspect the radiation levels may also included C-137 & C-137 uptake within the tomato. I cannot isolate and identify the isotopes at this time.


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    • Cindy

      I wish I could send you some duck/ chicken eggs to test … have been wondering about that !!


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    • Noah

      Fallout was on Tomato surface

      Cindy, I must conclude that since washing reduced radiation levels by 6%, that the surface of the tomato was covered with radioactive particles.

      This suggests caution in handling produce at the market, in the garden and at home in the kitchen. Perhaps disposable gloves may help protect the hands from contamination during gardening and harvesting and food preparation involving fresh produce. Shelf and bin liners in the fridge may be wise, as radiation can accumulate within the fridge, contaminating its contents. It would be easier to throw out the liners periodically.

      I hope to move to eggs soon.


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    • marsh

      Noah, two questions:

      Where did that tomato grow?

      Did you measure another tomato before Fukushima? Maybe all your tomatoes are radiating a bit more than background!


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      • wonders never cease

        yes, can you disclose your general location, please? I guess the tomato now has internalized the radiation directly from the rainwater because every source I’ve read indicates that you can easily wash off the external radiation dust. After 2 months of downfall you could expect absorption and CA got hit from the very beginning…wow.


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  • lava

    “Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission, said in a separate news conference the same day that the meltdowns should not come as a surprise.”

    Sure. We just wonder why is this guy still alive (it’s time for his harikiri). We knew about the meltdown long before he started to luy to us that there is no possibility such a reactor to break… Is nobody honest left in Japan government these days ?


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Hi tacomagroove

    What is happening is not good, damage has already happened, you just might be right, or maybe it could end in a worse situation??

    I can’t dispute what you wrote, but then again I don’t know for sure if that will happen.

    I’m still waiting for someone to think of a way to stop this disaster from getting worse, than it already has.

    Are you a professional in the Nuclear Power profession, do you have any facts to back this up?

    What you wrote, pulls me back into how much more serious this could be, and how unprepared we are.

    It’s easy to slip back in the mode that this will pass.

    If there is a time that we need shelter, no one in their limo will come to pick us up, or deliver food and fresh water to us.

    I truly hope that you are wrong.


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    • Cassie

      We will be on our own, that is clear.
      The people are expendable.


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      • GI justice

        Absolutely!!!!!!
        Since when do 3,000 people get rushed to the hospital and it doesn’t make the evening news…???? Since you ain’t seen nothing yet is right around the corner. We are on our own…or we could try to organize now…maybe we should take the idea of “the new world order” and make some plans of out own!


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    • I feel by telling it as it is, the answer will come faster. If everyone on the planet seems to think the crisis is wrapped up who cares to fix it?


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    • Actually I am not suggesting the planet is going to end. Im more saying. hey were running out of time: get this out. I just wrote a piece on safety. but prepare by doing what i did. stay on forums. ask questions. learning. thats the best thing you can do:)


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  • ohthehumanity

    Why did you remove my posts and not answer my questions?


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  • So in short uncontrolled fission taking place inside the zirconium cells, lead to a temperature spike inside the core fuel cells to reactor 1. Once the heat reached beyond boiling point the tops of the fuel rods were exposed to the now present oxygen. Creating a violent reaction damaging the rods… This allowed the nuclear fuel pellets to escape their containment, dropping to the bottom of the reactor core. At that point Tepco then had no choice but to induce nitrogen into the reactor (as the melting of zirconium creates vast amounts of hydrogen)… While the nitrogen settled the hydrogen the remaining fuel collected in the bottom of the reactor, creating so much fission the fuel melted through 6 feet of metal and concrete landing in the reactors basement. Now were playing a dangerous waiting game. The GE reactor design has an emergency platform designed under the reactors containment in the event a meltdown was to occur, that feature was built to not only prolong a meltdown but also prevent fission as best it can… However, with the fuel heating up, you must consider that the water being implored with high levels of boron are doing little to nothing to prevent the fission from occuring… That being said, Its only going to be a short amount of time before the fuel likely surpasses the emergency system, and makes its way into the water table. After that happens, soil and water will produce steam clouds that will contaminate vast areas of the planet… =ing the evacuation of the site… Game Over.

    I assume this will be more like a nuclear fountain… Think of a geyser of radiation spewing into the atmosphere for the next 10 – 1000 years Like they are now except 20 times worse… One that will create temperatures that are unbearable to work near, rising to 120f. or greater… It will contaminate everything its stream touches. Fukushima would become a wasteland, of contamination and japan would need to extend the evacuation zone to at least 300km likely much much more area. though A china syndrome has never happened thus the math is beyond me… The contamination would spread in any nation internationally and nationally. (as it has now). but in much higher doses. likely 150 -350cpm… Note this is on the premiss that only one reactor has reached criticality… However: In the event there is an explosion, Well thats just bad… We would witness at least 3 – 300000 tons of metric nuclear waste, instantly turned into particle form… The release would do either one of three possible things… 1. a really bad case scenario: Assist reactors 2-6 in achieving a full fusion criticality, leading to an apocalyptic amount of radiation in such high density that anyone that is in its path would perish by suffocation; 2. The better, and yet less likely scenario: achieve a level of detonation, while completely staying within a safe proximity of the other troubled reactors on site, (which is very unlikely)… somehow redirecting most of the initial mass over and into the ocean… Thus spreading only minute levels of radiation globally… Then there is the worst case scenario… 3. (fyi, This is also a product of result #1)… If the fusion some how took the full site (all 6 reactor) in one big kaboom (meaning a full fusion criticality) … In lamen terms: There will be absolutely nothing left; Ever witness a: coronal mass ejection??? Now, have you ever heard of the earth creating one??? If there were an explosion leading to a full fusion criticality, You wouldn’t need to worry about flights or planning… That would register as an ELE. (extinction level event)… The explosion would likely blow the entire atmosphere off the planet.


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  • sorry I posted that twice btw… as always feel free to joiun our discussion. friend request me @ http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002275330788


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  • Watch for SNAKEFACE,….he’s going to magically appear “TO SAVE THE DAY”! Signs and wonders,…sufficient enough to fool almost the very last one of us. “Those with eyes to see and ears to hear,…”


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    • Ashen

      I’m with you Jill – only he isn’t going to have a snakeface. He will be charismatic, intelligent, charming, have great authority and will seemingly solve everything with peace and diplomacy. Deception and lies.


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  • Sam

    question for tomagroove
    what are your credentials for speaking so authoritatively
    on Fukushima? How did you arrive at your conclusions?
    How come we do not hear from other nuclear experts the
    same scemarios? Or is there a coverup on the worst case
    scenarios?


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    • Dr.Stranglelove

      Perhaps he’s not a stooge?


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    • I have no reason to lie
      I have no reason to put up with the bull. I have time on my hands. I fear the worst, and I feel I can help by pushing to stop the spoon feeding. (this is charity). Dr strangelove is just as helpful as me. I have been participating on several threads since day one. He can vouch for me. As well as every member on http://www.facebook.com/iaea.org and physicsforums.com
      linear equations and curves are easy to witness. this is simply a downhill trending vector.
      The truth is I am mostly doing light math and listening to the data while drinking coffee. Its quite simple to be me. In my opinion I just want to see the situation get the exposure it deserves. In all reality its just a really fun puzzle…


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  • Dr.Stranglelove

    Yawn… Call me when they blow up.


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    • Cassie

      You want I should let you know when we hit coronal mass ejection status??


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      • mark V

        “Today’s Space Weather” and spaceweather.com should be enough to calm down everybody on this phenomenon. A X10^3 proton event would be necessary to induct the power lines enough so that all transformers in the world blast. While it is theoretically possible, the possibility is minimal and depend entirely on the events on Sun which we can’t control anyway. We can still kick the asses of “the selected” to awaken in the face of Fuku event.
        Sorry for massive offtopic.


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  • Yes Ashen,….and a chicken in every pot!
    He’ll be a ‘looker’, that one!


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  • tacoma has got his finger on the button, there are three molten piles, under 1, 2, and three, when the boron finally gives up the ghost, the mush will go critical and the scenario will play the tune he has told you about. you are doing the self preservation act of pulling your head into your shell, and maintaining denial. you are excused, its pretty devastating to know all your hopes and dreams are soon to be nada.
    if you have some cash, go to south america, there wont be any fallout there for another twenty years or so, and then a minimum. the north will become unliveable.


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  • Dr.Stranglelove

    Plutonium futures go viral. Rupture,er… rapture tommorrow. Film at 11.


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  • We should hold a contest to see how long a link like this stays up:

    http://zardoz.nilu.no/~flexpart/fpinteractive/plots/tracer_h_1259.gif

    *(scary)*


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  • Note that NILU’s main server is at:

    http://www.nilu.no/index.cfm?lan_id=3
    NILU=Norwegian Institute for Air Research

    These secret plots were found by DutchSense[?] on YouTube:

    All the plots are found here:

    http://zardoz.nilu.no/~flexpart/fpinteractive/plots/?C=M;O=D

    (files with high numbers, usually in Mb instead of Kb have the animated N America plots)


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    • Zardoz comes from this character:
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/

      …one who promises that all humanity will be sucked into a giant vortex and live happily forever with gods and angels. (If I interpret correctly):

      —————————————-
      Plot Summary for
      Zardoz (1974) More at IMDbPro »

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      In the distant future Earth is divided into two camps, the barely civilized group and the overly civilized one with mental powers. A plague is attacking the second group, after which its members cease to have any interest in life and become nearly catatonic. When Zed, one of the barbarians, crosses over, the tenuous balance in their world is threatened. Written by John Vogel

      Brutals are told that when they die they will go to the vortex, where the Eternals live immortally. Zed, an Exterminator-class brutal who worships the stone head Zardoz, comes upon an old library where a mysterious stranger teaches him how to read. When he finds a copy of a well known book, he sets out to learn the secret of the god he worships, and disrupts life in the vortex. Written by Scott Hutchins

      Zed is a exterminator, a savage warrior living in a post-apocalyptic future world. Like all exterminators, Zed worships a stone head called Zardoz as a god. Zardoz promises all those who worship that when they die, they will go to the Vortex, a community inhabited by immortal men and women. Zed finds himself in Zardoz’s mouth and Zardoz arrives in the Vortex. Zed’s arrival in the Vortex begins to cause disruption, as Zed sets out to discover the secrets of Zardoz. Where Zed encounters a stranger named Arthur Frayn in a library and Arthur teaches Zed to read and reveals Zardoz’s secrets, which could bring about the fall of all life in The Vortex and lead Zed to giving the immortals, the gift of death. Written by Daniel Williamson


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      • I think the implication might be that a portion of the population are somehow protected from radiation and some are not.

        The elite have found ways to avoid “the plague” (radiation) and control “the barbarians” (us) through (the fictionally-manufactured) Zardoz.


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  • This has been a fun and interesting thread to follow. Neither too over the top nor too under the bottom. No one I have any real life contact with have made any comments concerning the reactors at Fukushima, nor do they even recognize the name when I mention it. I have believed from the start that a full meltdown was likely. Comments here concerning the vector direction concerning temperatures, radiation and failure to contain are spot on. Information control has been outstanding… from the point of view for denial of danger. I don’t know if the melt downs will result in spreading contamination, an explosive contamination or as suggested, a fountain of radioactive contamination. irregardless, the northern coast of the island may soon be uninhabitable as safe habitation is defined today, and if so, many other parts of the planet to follow.

    FYI according to a source

    Six of the spent fuel rod pools are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool may hold up to 3450 fuel rod assemblies. A separate common pool may hold up to 6291 fuel rod assemblies. Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods


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  • tawny

    It sounds to me like Tacomagroove knows quite a lot about nuclear power and underlying technologies and processes.

    I have gotten a lot of good information on all of this from Leuren Moret lately, her interview with Alfred L. Webre and other places, like posted on You Tube. I would really be interested to hear what she has to say about this information from Tacomagroove.

    Does anyone have information on how to contact Leuren Moret?

    btw, Tacomagroove, I lived in Tacoma from about age 12 until I moved to Seattle to attend the U of W. I still have family living in that area. My younger son lives on Seattle’s Eastside; my older son lives in San Diego. I live in Honolulu.

    Also, is there a way of finding out where radiation would be least? The Norwegian site put out something showing radiation down by Australia. I had thought the radiation would be slow to make it down that far into the Southern Hemisphere. (?)

    Where do you plan to go, Tacomagroove?


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