“Weird things” happening on California coast: Previously unknown toxic algae blooms proliferating; Unprecedented mass of oxygen-poor water near shore — TV: Mystery strandings of large squid covered miles and experts baffled… “essentially killing themselves, it’s just really weird” (VIDEO)

Published: December 9th, 2013 at 7:35 pm ET


San Francisco Chronicle, Dec. 9, 2013: A mysterious pathogen is wiping out starfish along the Pacific coast […] [and it] isn’t the only weird thing to happen of late along the California coast. Marine scientists have been trying to find out why previously unknown blooms of toxic algae are suddenly proliferating along the coast. The mysterious blooms, including deadly red tides, have been bigger, occurred more frequently and killed more wildlife than in the past. Last year at about this time, legions of big predatory Humboldt squid gathered along the Northern California coast and stranded themselves on Santa Cruz beaches, far north of their normal habitat.

Press Democrat, Dec. 5, 2013: An article in Nature magazine in 2010 noted that the arrival of Humboldt squid is considered a sign “of a system in trouble.”

Here’s a local news report on the squid strandings from last December: A mysterious invasion on California beaches […] they washed up all of a sudden on a 12 mile stretch of beach. […] Thousands of Humboldt squid […] “You just see them essentially killing themselves, and it’s just really weird to see it,” said graduate student Hannah Rosen of Stanford University’s Hopkins Marine Station. […] Rosen said some people tried to put the squid back in the water, but the deep water creatures swam back to shore. […] The animals had full stomachs […] To be honest reasearchers have no idea why this is happening but they think its from ingesting toxic algae […] This is the third stranding in 6 weeks.

Press Democrat, Dec. 5, 2013: [There’s an] unprecedented mass of oxygen-poor water off the Sonoma Coast, a phenomenon that could harm the region’s prized Dungeness crab and other marine life. […] Oxygen-poor water is common in deep water of the open ocean, but until this year had never been documented over the continental shelf close to the Sonoma coast, [John Largier, an oceanographer at the UC Davis research facility on Bodega Head] said. […] Largier said he is “fairly confident” that west coast hypoxia is a consequence of climate change, but the presumed connection is complex. […] The vast majority of more than 400 dead zones documented around the world in a 2008 report are of a entirely different nature, created by [pollutants like] fertilizer-laden runoff from rivers and burning of fossil fuels. […] Largier discounted that factor on the North Coast […]

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Watch the report on Humboldt squid here

Published: December 9th, 2013 at 7:35 pm ET


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  • norbu norbu

    The beginning of the end of our Pacific coast. Will it get worse? Probably. Soon something wicked this way comes….

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    BTW, here is a link to the EPA Environmental Radiation Data (ERD) reports.


    They removed the 4th quarter from 2011 and revised the 2nd Quarter of 2011 8-2013. (Going back to 1991 the reports were never revised.)

    2012 reports 1st & 2nd quarter revised 8-2013

    In 2013 there are no files for the 2nd, or 3rd quarters.

  • Socrates

    Canaries in the oceanic "coal mine?"

    Can radiation be ruled out? The role of government is to protect their citizens, not protect and cover up nuclear dangers. A Manhattan/Apollo project must start at once to protect the people of the world. Trying to cover this up will kill millions if not billions more. With the money they spend just recording our private communications, this could have been prevented.

    • gottagetoffthegrid

      I've been thinking that this is a mass undersea panic. You see the the giant plume of radiation is just off shore and seems to be pushing them onshore.

      But why? You can't feel low level radiation. No, HUMANS can't feel radiation.

      What exactly *is* this radiation? It's primarily beta radiation, that's right electrons. We build "curtains" with electric charges to keep fish out of water intakes, Etc. and its not a massive voltage. so why wouldn't these sea creatures run from a moving plume of massive electric charge? They use strong beta isotopes to power space probes as batteries.

      These creatures can feel this hell coming. That's my thinking for what it's worth.

      • Kassandra

        Very interesting hypothesis

        • gottagetoffthegrid

          All those Bq per cubic meter are really electrons per second.

          A static shock from a door knob hurts and it is measured in nano amps (1 billionth of an amp).
          1 amp is 6000 peta electrons per second ( 6 billion billion electrons)

          It seems to add up: billions of cubic meters of water at 100s of Bq per cubic metre. This plume could be producing profound discomfort at the boundary where the charge gradient is maximum. Sort of an event horizon–just no blck hole.

          • gottagetoffthegrid

            Further, as a self generating charge, the centre of the plume would have little charge gradient, so the charge cloud could build in intensity– only at the edge would there be significant current.

            Poor creatures. Tazered onto dry land to die.

            • Kassandra

              This makes sense.

              Is there a Pacific marine biologist you could contact with your hypothesis?

              Perhaps the Scripps marine biology program would have someone who could investigate it.

              PhD or post-doc students might be most receptive.

            • NoNukes NoNukes

              Interesting and horrifying, gottagetoffthegrid. You explain it clearly.

              • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

                I concur.

                A very valid hypothesis. And I agree with Kassandra…do you you know anybody you could discuss it with further?

                Hell…..it's possible! which……is more than any other scientist in the world has been willing to put forward so far other than. "We have no idea"…..and…."It's a mystery"

                I wish everyone involved across the world and especially the West coast would at least do the same and put all their 'Possible's' on the table and at least then their could be an open debate and research into actually finding the REAL cause!!

                • gottagetoffthegrid

                  I've no idea who would look at such a hypothesis or how you'd measure it.

                  its not a phenomenon of the ocean per se, its a phenomenon of any continuum where spontaneous generation of energy occurs. a big compost pile does the same thing — if it gets too big it will generate heat too fast and will spontaneously combust.

      • Socrates

        An undersea cattle prod that carry an unpleasant electrical charge is herding these creatures to the shore. The osmodality causes echinoderms to experience the equivalent of phantom limb pain and reject their arms as if the arms were traumatized and the 3 chino dorm hopes to regenerate the arm. Yet, the process cascades out of control morphing the Echinodermata into goo. Squids, too, beach themselves.

        Surfers do not notice the charge since they leave the water after an hour or so.

        If the beta charge could be measured by Scripps Institute, you should get the Nobel.

      • deaddolphins simonhhh

        gottagetoffthegrid…very good analysis…explains possibly why they are not detecting radioactivity internally…just escaping from the massive toxic electrical charge these creatures are feeling…with nowhere to go…I am continuing to be deeply disturbed

  • bdais92

    is the water that leaks into the ocean also being heated by the coriums? If so, what kind of temperatures are we talkin?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Probably something like a blow torch.. 🙁

    Maybe like a welding rig where the bright light blinds your eyes?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Burning of fossil fuels makes algae grow? Increased CO2 might help it grow, but there might be something else going on.
    Jumping to big conclusions while ignoring the new biggest monkey in the room..

    Biggest monkey now spewing radiation contamination everywhere and down every river directly into the oceans heating everything as it goes.. 🙁

    • ftlt

      OBE: Not to mention the research with algae – playing GOD with it for Algae production.. New Better BIGGER Strains – O Boy..

      It is one of the Bio Fuel wonder weapons of the future (we will see)

      Algae is one of the highest bio oil producing plants known to man – up to 30% oil… The issue is getting to grow in a controlled manner in open ponds for low cost production with positive to cost of production yields (both fresh and salt waters) –

      Yes, its CO2 demands are high ( a major limiting factor in commercial production yields – Algae is being used as a co generation tool at fossil fuel power plants now – maybe its limited future)

      In Davis mile and 1/2 old river bed pond was overwhelmed by some escaped algae a couple years back… They used heavy anti algae toxics on the pond and were able to control it… No one knew where it had come from. the last I heard… Neener neener…

      I always wonder about escapees, when I hear of Algae blooms.. Because, of the research hubris of Science and the greedy industries that pay for it rushing and lack of care in field trials..

      Technology is not all it is cracked up to be – in fact, at the end of our time little niche in time, it will be what killed us all in the end…

      The techno freaks are like gun freaks who are always want to say – People kill people not guns… Yeah, Right!!!

  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    The East Coast is being hammered as well. Mass Whale and bottlenose dolphin dye offs from Canada to South Florida. All the Oceans are connected. I say the contamination is way worse than anyone realizes and has the entire northern hemisphere water systems in its grips.

  • w29r7 w29r7

    *shake head…
    I don't like the sight of this!….

  • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

    oxygen-poor waters = oxygen depletion = increase of disease = chain reaction in food chain, starting with the mutation and killing of the plankton… if there isn't enough oxygen combined with radiation, there is a compounding effect that can only mean at least 2 times as worse than if it was just radiation or oxygen depletion alone. Radiation + Oxygen depletion = exponential increase in disease so long as the pollution is still being input into the ocean…

  • Ontological Ontological

    The cooking gas (methane) was turned on from the Gulf accident, light oils like those used for machine friction have been travelling the ocean currents since the Gulf gusher. The combination of this oil, corexit, and now radiation, has made the Pacific a toxic plastic soup. Nothing can survive this onslaught without technology to aid them in doing so. Unusual behavior is consistent with methane exposure dizziness and lack of control. Basically we have asked the ocean life to breath methane instead of the rapidly depleting oxygen they once used. We are asking them to eat broken down plastic bits mixed up in machine oil breaking it down to plastic slime in there food, to live long and prosper in this hellish place we have created for them. Well it don't work that way, and all the methane from death will again peak the atmospheric levels like they did after the last ELE.

  • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

    what is the primary consumers of the algae? Is there too much algae because something is not consuming it?

    Plankton have everything to do with the algae…

    • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

      from zooplankton wikipedia page:

      Zooplankton can also act as a disease reservoir. Crustacean zooplankton have been found to house the bacterium Vibrio cholerae, which causes cholera, by allowing the cholera vibrios to attach to their chitinous exoskeletons. This symbiotic relationship enhances the bacterium's ability to survive in an aquatic environment, as the exoskeleton provides the bacterium with carbon and nitrogen.[3]

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      To put it very simply, as dissolved oxygen levels decrease in water, conditions are more favorable for, conducive to, algae blooms.

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    "We cannot fly planes with ethanol. We need oil. And algae can make oil as a drop-in replacement for fossil fuel," Polle told CBSNews.com on a recent tour of his lab.

    Proponents find algae appealing because it can be grown in salt water. The race to find a sustainable alternative to oil has mainly focused on other types of biofuels, like corn-derived ethanol or vegetable oil, but these options compete with food crops. What makes algae ideal is that it can be grown in non-arable land. And while it burns carbon dioxide (CO2) like fossil fuels, it requires CO2 to photosynthesize, making it carbon neutral.

    So much confidence was placed on the green alternative to oil that the U.S. Energy Department has made several investments in algae research. President Obama touted the potential algal biofuel in a 2012 speech, when he announced $30 million in funding for similar research. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/powering-the-future-will-algae-fuel-your-next-car/

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      August of 2009, BP entered into a partnership with Martek Biosciences to study the use of algae to convert sugar into biodiesel. Eight months later, BP’s and Transocean’s “negligence” led to the oil spill which gravely impacted the food chain, poisoned all life forms in the Gulf and dealt an eventual death blow to the Gulf by creating a massive series of dead zones where nothing will grow, except for algae, for generations to come.

      BP is not alone with regard to a major oil company’s foray into the algae business. ExxonMobil entered into a partnership with Synthetic Genomics in order to develop energy’s next king, bio-fuels from algae. From this work, it was discovered that Corexit increases the bioaccumulation of petroleum hydrocarbons into golden-brown algae. For oil companies to involved in algae conversion is the metaphorical equivalent of burning down your own house in order to collect the insurance money and this is precisely what they did to the Gulf…

      Soros is heavily invested in Gulf algae farms as he has invested $1 billion dollars in the endeavor.
      The US military invested $35 million dollars in algae jet fuel. Blackstone Group consulted with the Chesapeake Bay region energy provider Constellation Energy to sell company to Warren Buffet and his company Berkshire Hathaway. http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/03/16/the-mother-of-all-conspiracies-pt-7/

  • razzz razzz

    Whatever is going on, lowing pH levels (increases acidification) of the ocean plays havoc with every living thing in it but adding radiation in the amounts from Daiichi, I think is an unknown.

    The following must include starfish whether radiation or something else is causing their die offs…

    "…The reaction of CO2 with seawater reduces the availability of carbonate ions that are necessary for marine calcifying organisms, such as corals, molluscs, echinoderms, and crustaceans, to produce their CaCO3 shells and skeletons. The extent to which such organisms are affected depends largely upon the CaCO3 saturation state (Ω), which is the product of the concentrations of Ca2+ and CO32−, divided by the apparent stoichiometric solubility product (Ksp*) for either aragonite or calcite, two types of CaCO3 commonly secreted by marine organisms…" From http://icesjms.oxfordjournals.org/content/65/3/414.full


    Ocean pollution problems are usually attributed to man in the process of creating global warming but earth has been cooling for about 10+ years now so how is science going to explain recent sea life die offs? China's pollution did it?

    Have to see what happens when you dump a spoonful of Daiichi radiation into a saltwater aquarium.

    I am sure Kenny of Woods Hole is on top of this and will give us a full report as soon as he is done with his fish dinner.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “…The Nevada nuclear tests have spread radiation poisons throughout central and eastern United States and Canada, and produced in the stratosphere a layer of radioactive material which encircles the globe. They also cause nitric oxides to form in the atmosphere which then descend on earth as acid rain. Radioactive chemicals can now be found in the organs, tissues and bones of every individual in the Northern Hemisphere, and the contamination from past nuclear explosions will continue to cause environmental and health problems for hundreds of thousands of years, even if all nuclear activities are stopped today. Siberian tests affect the north polar region….”

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Written in 2000. But we haven't stopped all nuclear activities, but have increased levels of radiation and are continuing to increase nuclear activities even more.

        • KiloCharley KiloCharley

          And there you have it in a nutshell. The faucet is still on, and this stuff kills! What more do you need to know? Thanks for your amazing work anne.

        • razzz razzz

          I was reading some writeup about how certain man made radioactive elements from bomb testing were in decline, apparently the writer didn't get the memo on Fukus' Daiichi and recent raised background radiation levels i.e. California. Not to mention that eating foods with higher amounts of radiation in them is okay now, according to the EPA or FDA or NOAA or Homeland Security or one of those many alphabet soup agencies that looks after us.

        • midwestern midwestern

          And unspeakable amounts of radioactive waste and other acidic and barbaric contaminants were dumped directly into the ocean, so it is no surprise the level of acidity is out of control.

    • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

      Thank you. I almost forgot to include ocean acidification.

      • razzz razzz

        I don't think the oceans will go sterile because even molds (the infamous black fungus) can thrive in an irradiated environment.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      .. 🙂

  • We Not They Finally

    Healthy algae gives off OXYGEN. Toxic, dying algae gives off…… methane!!

    So much for being "puzzled" and "baffled."

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      You are partially correct, WNTF. See this:


      "Algae can be problematic in nutrient-rich waters, especially those containing phosphorus, in which case they often reproduce rapidly and produce colored water and mats of algae known as algae blooms. In natural waters or treatment plants, algae blooms are problematic because they can change many water characteristics.

      One of the primary factors which algae blooms influence is the dissolved oxygen content of the water. During the day, the masses of algae produce so much oxygen that the water becomes supersaturated. Then, at night, the algae actually use up oxygen in the water and can cause such extremely low dissolved oxygen levels that fish kills may result.

      Algae blooms can also cause elevated pH levels in the water. They may raise the pH levels as high as 9.5, which will influence many of the natural processes occurring in the water.

      In some cases, an algae bloom will consume itself. As the algae grow and reproduce, they use up nutrients in the water. Eventually, the nutrient levels will drop so low that the algae will have no nutrients and will die back. In this case, the dead algae bodies will often promote a bacterial bloom as the bacteria respond to the abundance of food. This overabundance of bacteria can cause yet more problems, depleting the dissolved oxygen levels in the water and causing the system to become anaerobic."

      • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

        Anaerobic bacteria. That is why mercury in fish is such a problem here in the Gold Country due to mining during the Gold Rush. Methylated mercury is a neurotoxin. Is it possible that anaerobic bacteria contaminated with methylated mercury has made a global spread of neurotoxicity? If humans can be affected, sea life can be affected. Maybe this could be a bacterial issue? Flesh eating disease? Corexit?

        Anaerobic Bacteria Oxidize and Methylate Elemental
        Deadly Bacteria Found in Gulf Coast Tar Balls
        Flesh – Eating Virus Caused by BP Corexit Spill Kills Man in Louisiana
        Corexit wikipedia

        "Corexit (often styled COREXIT) is a product line of oil dispersants used to dissolve oil spills. It is produced by Nalco Holding Company, which merged with Ecolab in 2011 and is associated with BP and Exxon.[1] Oil that would normally rise to the surface of the water is emulsified into tiny droplets by the dispersant and remains suspended in the water and on the sea floor.[2][3][4] Corexit was used in unprecedented quantities during the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.[5] In 2012, a study found that Corexit increases the toxicity of oil by 52 times…

        • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

          There are so many possible things affecting the sea life right now that I don't think radiation can be singled out as the sole cause of the mysterious events going on. I am leaning more towards thinking that the Corexit has something to do with strange behavior and health of sea life.

  • isogoodhumans

    If we assume Fukushima released 90-900 Terabecquerels of Strontium into the ocean,
    imagining thats like a microwave inside the water, with hotter water at the surface, if we assume a certain volume of ocean has been 'microwaved' based on some of the dispersion models (and continues being microwaved every second by 90-900Tbq of Sr-90)then is there a way to calculate the temperature increase of the water over time? And how about the other big release, Cs-137? Those two combined must be doing a fair amount of heating of the Pacific.

    Fukushima was a boiling water reactor, except now they're not boiling water at one spot but heating an entire ocean a bit, and obviously not to boiling.

    Nuclear fuel has to be contained otherwise it heats up everything around it…if a human consumes a hot particle it burns your insides.

    I think that there may even be a global warmming argument to nuclear power…not just Fukushima, but also all those scheduled releases of Tritium from active reactors, and so on.

  • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

    Can algae be dying because of lack of oxygen due to acidification?

    From "Guest column: Taking on ocean acidification in the Northwest"
    Posted: Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:54 am
    By Brad Warren, Michael Rust and Eric Swenson
    For The Daily Astorian


    "The first of these is the Puget Sound Restoration Fund’s proposal to harness the CO2-absorbing power of photosynthesis by cultivating seaweed to mitigate ocean acidification locally, while enhancing marine habitat and a yielding valuable “crop.”
    Fueling their growth by absorbing CO2 from the water, farmed seaweeds such as kelps have potential to “sweeten” seawater, boost its oxygen levels, and create chemical refuges for sensitive marine animals – a protective “halo” in local waters. Harvesting the cultured seaweed could then remove the carbon that the seaweed absorbed from the ocean."

    "Seagrass and seaweed can soak up colossal amounts of CO2. Under the right conditions, native eelgrass may create “chemical refuges” that protect vulnerable (and valuable) shellfish and corals from acidification. The expanding ocean will convert many low-elevation flatlands into shallow bays suitable for seagrass and other coastal marine vegetation. These places have great potential to shelter shellfish and other species from acidification – provided we learn to manage them…

    • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

      What if seaweed is being over-harvested? What if the seaweed is contaminated with radiation? I do not see how the pH of the ocean water is not changed by the radiation. It must have an effect when it is kills organisms that live in the water.

      Effects of Radiation on water

      BTW I also do not know if these studies are accurate, I am just researching information related to the effect that the radiation may be having alongside oxygen depletion.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Please see my comment above. If you're interested in water quality issues and algal blooms, try finding some basic biochemistry info. on water quality online. Or you could review some basic materials on aquaculture, where water quality and dissolved oxygen levels are of critical importance.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        It's a bit more complicated than I can get into here, but if you find some introductory materials in the subjects above, you would find answers to your questions.

      • plankton_oxygen plankton_oxygen

        Thank you. That is very specific. I have much more to learn about this and have barely scratched the surface of aquaculture and biochemistry.. Thanks

  • razzz razzz

    I don't think effects of large amounts or radioactive Strontium (exhibits biochemical behavior similar to calcium) was ever considered in overall health of an ocean…


    A low pH can also warn of decreasing levels of calcium in the aquarium. Many marine invertebrates, especially coral and clams, will absorb calcium from the water column to build their support structures. Since calcium increases pH, the process of pulling it out of the water can drop the pH. So if you see a low pH, you should also check your calcium levels. If you keep marine invertebrates, you need to test the calcium levels monthly. Additionally, you need to supplement the tank with extra calcium to make up for the calcium they suck out of the water. Keep the levels between 380 and 450 mg/L.

  • name999 name999

    sadly, i think anything and everything is being tried and done…that is what these people do. They are so egregious they just do whatever they can and believe they are innovators. We are talking Xtreme coolants, ice, nitrogen, heat, walls of concrete and stone. But when you are dealing with water,,,

  • Socrates

    Tinkering with the biochemistry of the marine environment will have other unintended consequences in the balance of nature. The moment in history that the activities of mankind could be measured was probably beyond the tipping point in the ecosystems of the planet.

    The truth is that the BP disaster continues with Coreexit dispersal operations to cover up the oil slicks and tar balls. The salt formation was irreparably damaged releasing methane frozen crystals. Fukushima added to the marine environmental and atmospheric woes of the ailing planet we call home.

    So many unreported environmental disasters planet – wide will change the homeostatic mechanisms on the planet in countless unintended ways. This planet will become unable to support 7 billion people and their offspring as the ecosystem collapses. The tipping points have a ready been exceeded in all probability. There are no life rafts incidentally.

  • ftlt

    What are the sulfur counts in the waters??? A Hydrogen Sulfide bloom??

    Massive Volcanism???

    The oceans dead zones may have reached a tipping point too???

    Bio madness??? Nano madness??? Chemical(to include aggie chems) madness?? Radioactive madness??? Ocean PH madness??

    We have created an ugly soup out there… The fish and plants didn't..

    Mankind's madness is a nasty little beast too.. Most likely the worst offender here

  • Something's wrong.

    A clip that illustrates the 'feeling' that something life changing is about to happen.


  • Mack Mack

    Some interesting points about plutonium from a document Jebus linked: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp143-c6.pdf

    > Plutonium fallout from the atmosphere…tends to be deposited primarily as insoluble dioxide

    NOTE: Is this "dioxide" contributing to climate changes?

    > The majority of plutonium remains within the top few centimeters of the soil surface as the dioxide form

    > Microorganisms can change the oxidation state of plutonium, thereby either increasing or decreasing its solubility.

    > In studies on orange trees, Pinder et al. (1987) found that 238Pu was deposited on the leaf or soil surface, remained there, and that no measurable quantities were transferred to the fruits.

    > Peeling of potatoes and beets removed 99% of the residual plutonium

    > Plutonium was found to bioaccumulate in aquatic organisms, primarily at the lower end of the food chain.

    > The bioconcentration factors…were 1,000 for mollusks and algae, 100 for crustacea, and 10 for fish

    > Plutonium is concentrated in the bones of fish rather than in muscle tissues, as seen by whole fish to muscle tissue ratios of 40:1

    > 237Pu was found to accumulate mostly in the gills and exoskeleton.

    NOTE: Plutonium concentrates in bones of fish and accumulates in gills and exoskeleton (the shell).

    That's important to note for all the "scientists" testing fish for radiation. They need to be checking the bones, gills and shells.

  • ceebee

    I don't understand how anyone who is "baffled" about the cause of these events can be considered an expert about anything. Yikes.