“Most catastrophic fisheries collapse in history” expected along West Coast — Official: “This is a nightmare, I have never in my life dreamed that it could get this bad” — Threat of “coast-wide fishing failure” (VIDEO)

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Yurok Tribe Press Release, Mar 24, 2017 (emphasis added): The Yurok Tribe is bracing for the far-reaching economic, cultural, and social challenges created by what is expected to be the most catastrophic fisheries collapse in the Klamath River’s history. The number of fall Chinook salmon predicted to return… is the lowest on record… This unprecedented fisheries crash will have real consequences for the Yurok people… “This is a nightmare. I have never in my life dreamed that it could get this bad,” said Thomas P. O’Rourke Sr., Chairman of the Yurok Tribe… The bleak 2017 forecast is linked to a three-punch combination, comprised of two straight years of extremely elevated juvenile fish disease levels, diminished river conditions and poor ocean health… “We are in crisis mode… [this is] the most terrible fisheries disaster in the Tribe’s history,” said Chairman O’Rourke.

KRCR News, Mar 24, 2017: The Yurok Tribe announced Friday that they are preparing for what they are calling, “The most catastrophic fisheries collapse in the Klamath River’s history.“ Yurok officials said that the amount Chinook salmon predicted to return to the river in 2017 is… the lowest number on record.

KRCR News transcript excerpt, Mar 24, 2017: “The Yurok Tribe is announcing a major disaster. They’ve been bracing for what they are expecting to be one of the most catastrophic fisheries collapse in the history of the Klamath River. The number of fall Chinook salmon predicted to return to the river this year is the lowest on record, that’s according to the tribe.”

Anderson Valley Advertiser, Mar 22, 2017: Salmon Runs Crash… With record low runs forecasted, the commercial and recreational ocean Chinook salmon fishing seasons in the Klamath Management Zone (KMZ) from Southern Oregon to north of Shelter Cove will be closed this season… Ocean salmon abundance is expected to be so low this year that the Pacific Fishery Management Council… is considering a statewide closure of the commercial Chinook salmon season… A PFMC press release… stated that “drought, disease, poor ocean conditions and other issues” are expected to reduce Klamath River Chinook salmon returns to a record low level… [Mike Burner, the PFMC’s deputy director said] “we are in unprecedented territory.”

The Record, Mar 21, 2017: Scientists believe the numbers of adult chinook salmon in the ocean this year are so low that recreational and commercial fishing seasons up and down the California coast will be drastically reduced…

Oregon Public Broadcasting, Mar 13, 2017: The West Coast is on track for a meager and potentially disastrous salmon season… [Butch Smith, who chairs an advisory panel that helps the Pacific Fishery Management Council set salmon seasons] this year may end up being considered a coast-wide fishing failure.

Watch KRCR’s broadcast here

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  • q Farthington MacMananus

    So, technocrats…

    Here's a nice "popular" site in south africa:

    https://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/206328-nuclear-power-is-coming-and-it-will-cost-r1-trillion-report.html

    I tried to link to that other petition there. Nope.

    "
    Janneman Koekemoer • a minute ago Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by MyBroadband technology and IT news.

    Hallo.

    A frend told me to post this link for a petition against the nuclear stuff.

    http://tinyurl.com/m7p7xwz

    Please tell others about it also."

    That was apparently unacceptable and deleted.

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      http://www.who.int/ipcs/publications/en/ch_3b.pdf

      "As was mentioned earlier, UVR can impact biological systems on a number of levels in ways that are not limited to the direct effects on the exposed individuals themselves. In addition to DNA and cellular damage, morphological changes induced by UVR exposure can affect trophic dynamics (Zellmer, 2000). In the case of a coral reef
      ecosystem, UVR effects can occur at a number of trophic levels. The heart of the coral reef ecosystem is the coral/zooxanthellae symbiosis. Both species in the symbiotic relationship may be affected independently by UVR and by the resultant adverse reaction
      of the other. For example, changes in dinoflagellate pigmentation can alter the protection afforded to the coral, and changes in coral cell condition may alter the suitability of the environment in which their endosymbionts live. As coral rely on zooxanthellae to some extent for energy production through photosynthesis, any alteration in zooxanthellae condition or location could adversely effect coral condition. Additionally, other coral reef inhabitants, including algae (macro- and micro-), invertebrates, and fish, all can be affected directly by UVR exposure and indirectly by changes in coral condition. The cascading effects of poor coral condition can include a shift in dominance in the reef community to algal species that changes nutrient profiles and habitat suitability for other reef inhabitants.
      The effects of UVR on oceanic…

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Terminal! 🙁

      Back-to-back bleaching is killing huge tracts of the Great Barrier Reef, with almost none of the coral affected in 2016 expected to recover.
      Recent aerial surveys by the Australian Research Council's Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies have revealed only the southern third of the reef is unscathed from the bleaching events.
      Researcher Terry Hughes said mass bleaching happened in 2017 even without the assistance of El Nino, which normally brings warmer sea surface temperatures.

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4396368/Great-Barrier-Reef-Two-thirds-hit-coral-bleaching.html#ixzz4dr6xATTV
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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      …The effects of UVR on oceanic primary production could also extend beyond the direct effects on phytoplankton. The biomass production of nearly every fisheries is limited by food supply (Cushing, 1982; Nixon, 1988). An UVR-induced decrease in primary production could cascade through the food web to affect larval fish that feed on phytoplankton or, more often, on zooplankton whose abundance is tied to primary
      production. […]"

      Lots of studies about that. But when it comes to the effects of ionizing radiation from Fukushima, they probably don't look for it, because they don't expect to find it.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        "Lots of studies about that. But when it comes to the effects of ionizing radiation from Fukushima, they probably don't look for it, because they don't expect to find it."

        You're particularly optimistic about their intentions, it seems. Don't want to, or don't expect to?

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Thinking the fish are finding it alright…then they sink to the bottom as a bunch of sea snot.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Anomalies in wildlife and the ecosystem around Chernobyl and Fukushima

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjP4WVpYcWk

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Timothy is a Data Miner! Good for him. 🙂

          Youtube will not let the video run..google must be in cahots with the Nuclear Cartel.. is all I can think.

          Timothy's news is bad news..

          Youtube asks..are you experiencing problems..you bet! 🙁

          Bobby!
          Yes Sir?
          Fire that guy over at youtube!
          Yes Sir!

          • Jebus Jebus

            Plays fine on my box…

          • Jebus Jebus

            You tube is going all HTML5.

            Flash is dying/dead.

            Browsers have ways to force it.

            FF has a you tube plugin and a flash disable plugin.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Didn't have any problem here in getting the video to run.

            Don't have ANY Google accounts. Did that (and got rid of FB, etc.) so as to avoid the tracking cookies & constant pop-up ads. Wondering if maybe that helps with the issues of not being able to watch videos, etc.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              It could be the 7 second ping delay in my piss poor satellite connection. They might read the delay as a problem, yet it only slows down when they enter the scene with their screen notification..are you having problems..you bet.

              Seems the slow down is them coming in with their notification that their data banks are too far away.

              Can't fix their problem for them.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      You should perhaps also mention how bras, deoderants, etc "contribute" to that.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        bras and cancer, Singer and Grismeijer findings

        Their findings included:

        Women who wore their bras 24 hours per day had a 3 out of 4 chance of developing breast cancer
        Women who wore bras more than 12 hour per day, but not to bed, had a 1 out of 7 risk
        Women who wore their bras less than 12 hours per day had a 1 out of 52 risk
        Women who wore bras rarely or never had a 1 out of 168 chance of getting breast cancer

        • DUDe DUDe

          "..bras and cancer, Singer and Grismeijer findings.."

          Wow..i was not even aware of that connection..and its quit significant it seems..

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Would you look at that, I posted irrelevant crap that actually had meaning? Surely not.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Farthington…I did look at the article you linked to. Short. Did you expect me to dig into the finest detail? You asked for help, I offered, you didnt want it, now you say Im ignorant etc. You seem capable of intelligence, but you act like an ass

              • q Farthington MacMananus

                Fair enough, I did consider that you actually meant well (but I honestly doubt it).

                I literally just asked for some support on that site (if you noticed, I was basically the most anti-nuke guy posting there), but since I reckoned some of the people here would be able to provide better anti-nuke arguments, I asked for help.

                Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. Timmeh struggled to reply to even my posts there.

                Hmmm….what's that idea houdini had? Slip out the back?

                • q Farthington MacMananus

                  That is, support by posting on that site.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Farthington, I read the article, but I dont see a comment section…there is a link to 'forum' but I didnt see the immediate relevance. You didnt directly say you wanted people to comment, although I infered that was one of the possibilities. But you asked for help, and though Im no expert, I was willing to weigh in or point to a resource or paper. It must be obvious to you that the persona you portray is received as boorish, self centered, tenebrous. I suppose thats the way you want it. You get some deviant emotional reward for being irritating perhaps…self reinforcing your image as social outcast, misunderstood prodigy or something. Its tedious man…

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..I read the article, but I dont see a comment section…"

                      Go to bottom..press "show comments"

                      His question was real , he was fighting shills..

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      thnx DUDe, I missed the show comments button. MacMananus has his own style. Guess it would be pretty boring if we were all the same….

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      You are welcome Code , I had to look for it too..its important for me to check if i made a judgement error or not..so far..he cleaned up his act alot i think..i see a good guy..too smart , too cynical (realist) and too sensitive (caring) for his own good..but maybe i'm just crazy like that..lol

                      I'm not saying he is "easy reading" or "always a pleasure" in hes post or something..but he is on our side in "the good fight"..imo

                      And dont forget the culture differences..maybe you Americans are not so aware of it because you are always the majority on english speaking sites..but it has an impact on sensitivities and misunderstandings no doubt..

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..Guess it would be pretty boring if we were all the same…."

                      Thats the spirit ! :mrgreen: 😉

                  • q Farthington MacMananus

                    DUDe, bro, wtf? That's possibly the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. I don't even know how to reply properly.

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      Pls pls dont try lol..forget it , its not personal sort of speak , i'm just stating my observations..just make sure i dont have to apologize about it in the long run..;)

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            DUDe, have wondered about same for a long time. Was looking at breast cancer stats and realized all those push up and underwire bras foisted off on women could be causing problems.

        • curly

          They found heavy metals in the cancer group and not in the control. Bras weren't mentioned.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      curly, how did we go from heavy metals and breast cancer (a radiation link there, i.e., heavy metal toxicity) to all the other rambling? LOL, strange but not unexpected.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    So I checked https://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/206328-nuclear-power-is-coming-and-it-will-cost-r1-trillion-report.html again and that poster "Janneman Koekemoer" is obviously pro-nuke compared to some of the other far more reasonable posters.

    What do you guys think?

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    "Born-again fans invest in pretend bands. Cut off supply. Create demand. There's no more room for us working men. Take my advice, prepare to pay. Listen to the laughter, they're jeering at your clique. Use your head. Hahaha. Hahaha! Affiliation makes us sick. Reside inside on your cellphone. Username has replaced the show."

    Hah HAHA HAAAAH HAH.

  • Isthmus

    Code Are you starting to get a feeling for someone on mono gold like mac ? This is a strange time to living I know, with some strange stuff going around, I knew a guy on mono and he had a big snake somewhere in his place, and he'd been run over by someone out to get him, and he laid on the pavement for 10 hours before someone picked him up, face all torn up. I was buying 5 nine pure gold, nice . King Soloman fed his people, you got to be good to take that stuff .

    • Isthmus

      Code Years ago I used an Apple II-E and a Infrared gun to scan the face, 24 imput's reading all 24 organs and glands, heat patterns were dissected into English language, printer had everything going on physically, mentally, spiritually. One of the scans was of my son, and it said he had sacraficed his halo, which is an energy field above his head, by cussing. This is a lesson for everyone right.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Interesting bullshit you're trying to sell there. Btw, a child ran up to me, hugged me (without knowing me) and called me "yellow".

        I have no idea what that means.

        The other thing is, please, exhibit some of your superior morality, intellect and reasoning. Explain to me the difference between faeces and shit.

        Come on, you can do it.

        • Do you have anything better to do with your life then complain to a group of users that factually wishes you away.

          Your life has aspired to the level of troll. The mirror must be a depressing pathetic observation. As these are not even insults. They are direct observations of the person you've aspired to be.

        • Isthmus

          Mac You have to earn respect before you ask something of someone, and you sure haven't earned any respect here sine your very first post that you baited someone to get involved with you. But just so you'll shut up about what comes out of your last name. Here it is – Faeces is anayltical, and shit is emotional, Now men are analytical and women are emotional, now the mistake that Mac's make is when a female is on fire with emotion he thinks he has to be emotional too, there's the mistake, Mac you put out emotional dirt constantly, no respect for you so now can justify your statements you've made especially your hate America statements. I'm going to continually remind others that you hate America.

          • DUDe DUDe

            "..I'm going to continually remind others that you hate America.."

            FUCK Israel and its mercenary-muscle-puppet America..and all the Zionists on this planet wherever low or high they crawl..

            And two-usernamed trolls (Islander aka Isthmus ) with a whiny irrational distraction pitch riding along sneakely on a witch-hunt can go eff themselves too..

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Well, I do hate America? Yeah and?

          I also hate South sfrica. France. Sweden. Germany England. Israel. Saudi Arabia. Russia, Japan. Etc.

          Those are institutions. Which I hate.

          Funnily enough, I was thinking which two guys are particularly "militarized" and hey, you guys popped up.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      I see Isthmus signalling his safe space alert. Still worshiping merka?

      Yeah I'm not on monoatomic gold. It's more for females these days who happen to get that sort of persistent viral infection (mostly resulting from dentistry, btw).

  • Such a fine group of caring people here at Enenews. So sad that one individual chooses to take pleasure by degrading the conversation in a boorish uneducated manner. Must hate himself and no accident he/she has anus in his fake name. What tortured journey leads an individual to waste his time in such a self hating manner.
    Please pray for this poor lost soul and also thank your God of choice that you and me are not like he.
    Kind regards to poor lost trolls

  • hbjon hbjon

    Most fish practice the "normalcy bias" discipline and become immune to the sudden environmental effects of a,b,c, and d. The rest succumb to their suppressors.
    At some point soon, Trump will have to signal the operators to turn on their mysterious windmills.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-toshiba-results-idUSKBN17C1ZJ?il=0

    Tue Apr 11, 2017
    Toshiba files earnings without auditor endorsement, delisting risk rises

  • rogerthat

    https://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/survey-on-fukushima-linked-bullying-reveals-hundreds-more-cases

    Survey on Fukushima-linked bullying reveals hundreds more cases
    APR. 11, 2017
    TOKYO —
    A government survey prompted by the bullying of a boy from Fukushima Prefecture has unveiled hundreds more cases in which evacuees from areas hit by the nuclear crisis were targeted, data released Tuesday showed.

    The first nationwide survey on bullying of children who evacuated Fukushima Prefecture due to meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in 2011 showed there were 129 cases in fiscal 2016 ended this March and 199 more cases in previous years.

    Among the total, 13 had apparent links to the nuclear disaster or the major earthquake and tsunami that triggered it.

    Education minister Hirokazu Matsuno indicated there could be other cases that may have gone undetected, saying, “It is difficult to conduct a survey that covers them all.”

    “We will consider our response in light of the possibility that (some) bullying has not surfaced,” said Matsuno.

    The latest survey targeting roughly 12,000 evacuees showed some of those who were bullied in relation to the nuclear crisis were told to go back to Fukushima or stay away, as they would contaminate others with radiation.

    The incidents included the highlighted case in which classmates of a boy who relocated to Yokohama in Kanagawa Prefecture demanded he give them cash, and called him a “germ.” …

  • rogerthat

    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com.au/

    MONDAY, APRIL 10, 2017

    Was Therapy Used to Punish Nuclear Workers?

    I am going through my library. It is totally exhausting because I must have 50 boxes of books, academic journal articles, and binders of newspaper articles organized by category.

    My family thinks I'm a pack-rat but these are the tools of my trade.

    In particular, my print collection of news articles endures while those archived electronically online have a habit of disappearing.

    One article I discovered today is titled "Was Therapy Used to Punish Nuclear Workers?" published in The Wall Street Journal March 20, 1996, p. B1.

    The article covers the case of Glenda Kay Miller who questioned the reliability of proposed employee-identification system at the Browns Ferry nuclear plant in Alabama. The plant operator sent her to the company psychologist, who grilled her before she was dismissed summarily. The plant was owned by the Tennessee Valley Authority.

    The article cites a Washington attorney who had represented other workers sent to company psychologists for raising safety issues. The pattern of using therapy to punish workers before terminating them was cleverly crafted because it helped to cast doubt upon their credibility.

    This policy was probably carefully crafted, at least in the cases illustrated in the news article.

    The NRC was quoted as aware of the "allegations": …

    • rogerthat

      http://majiasblog.blogspot.com.au/2017/04/efforts-to-scale-down-fuukshima-health.html

      THURSDAY, APRIL 6, 2017

      Efforts to Scale Down Fuukshima Health Survey Despite Rising Incidents of Thyroid Cancer

      Incidents of thyroid cancer and nodules in children have risen significantly among those living in areas contaminated by Fukushima fallout, although the official response is the cancers are unconnected to Fukushima children’s unprotected exposure to Iodine-131:
      Fukushima finds 16 new cases of thyroid cancer in young people,” The Asahi Shimbun (May 19, 2015) http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201505190041

      Here is a compelling article describing efforts in Japan to wind down the Fukushima health survey (Hat Tip: Thank you Tony!):

      Follow Up on Thyroid Cancer! Patient Group Voices Opposition to Scaling Down the Fukushima Prefectural Health Survey¹

      Aihara Hiroko (Translation by Yuki Miyamoto). Introduction by Eiichiro Ochiai. Asia Pacific Journal (2017) http://apjjf.org/2017/02/Aihara.html

      It turned out that a large number of children have contracted thyroid cancers over the last five years: 172 out of ca. 380,000 children by the end of 2015. The majority of them have undergone surgery, and many have been found to have metastasized. This number , and the annual rate per 1,000,000, ca 90, is unusually high, compared with the rate 1 to 3 per 1,000,000 under normal circumstances. …

      • rogerthat

        The Fukushima prefectural government and the organization charged with conducting the examination are trying to rationalize the results in many ways, without invoking the radiation impact of the reactor meltdowns. If this is indeed unrelated to the radiation from the damaged Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants, a similarly high rate of thyroid cancer should be found all over Japan. The survey should be expanded in order to see whether that is indeed the case.

        In fact, however, as Aihara Hiroko details, the authorities are interested in scaling down the survey in Fukushima itself. They argue, curiously, that the results are causing anxiety and therefore are an example of “reputational damage,” an interpretation that excludes the possibility of actual harm to health and agricultural produce and other commercial activity.
        The survey is being scaled down because the results are causing "reputational damage"!

        Here is an excerpt from my book, Crisis Communication, Liberal Democracy and Ecological Sustainability ( here ) discussing the rising incidents of thyroid cancer among Fukushima children:

        Children are likely at greatest risk for health consequences from exposure because they are biologically more vulnerable to radiation since their cells are dividing faster. The thyroid is particularly susceptible to radiation-induced damage because it bioaccumulates radioactive iodine. People with thyroid conditions have an increased risk of dying because of damage that occurs…

        • rogerthat

          prior to treatment.[i]

          Potassium iodide helps block absorption of radioactive iodine but as mentioned earlier in the chapter, distribution was delayed. Consequently, many children in Japan became internally contaminated with radioiodine, in addition to whatever other radionuclides internalized through inhalation and ingestion.

          On July 6, 2011 the Japanese press Kyodo reported that in a March 2011 survey of 1,080 children aged 0 to 15 in Iwaki, Kawamata, and Iitate 45 percent of kids in Fukushima survey had thyroid exposure to radiation.[ii]

          A separate study measuring thyroid exposure to Iodine-131 conducted between April 12, 2011 and April 16, 2011 and published in Research Reports found “extensive measurements of the exposure to I-131 revealing I-131 activity in the thyroid of 46 out of the 62 residents and evacuees measured”[iii]

          In August of 2011, NHK reported that Japan’s nuclear commission had erased children’s exposure data derived from a test of 1,000 children aged 15 or younger who had been screened for radiation affecting their thyroid.[iv]

          By February of 2014, there were 75 confirmed or suspected thyroid cancer cases among 270,000 Fukushima Prefecture individuals screened, who were 18 or under at the time of the disaster.[v] The screening committee claimed the Fukushima disaster was an unlikely cause.[vi]

          However, the observed frequency of thyroid cancer and nodules exceeds established incident rates. For example, the prevalence of thyroid…

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Of course they have to tone down the health survey, they want as little scrutiny of the survey as possible.

        Fukushima 4 Year Old Missing In Japans Thyroid-Cancer Records
        March 31 2017

        http://www.eastoregonian.com/fukushima-4-year-old-missing-in-japan-thyroid-cancer-records-eo-ap-webfeeds-news-nation-worldfe042c9dc43448669bb661521353ce71

        False normalization must occur, false normalization must occur.
        The return of 'Super Mario Abe', athletes and flag waving and cheering crowds.
        Got to put 'lipstick on the pig'.
        Only a passing thought about this child ..someone's precious child.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The natives are blaming the water conditions and the dams,(they want them removed.. like that is going to happen) and to some degree this may be so, but the salmon coming up the rivers are not the only species that is showing deep distress and decline, this leading back to the conditions of the oceans.

    Pacific sardine fishery banned for third consecutive year

    April 11 2017

    http://fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?l=e&country=0&special=&monthyear=&day=&id=91086&ndb=1&df=0

    In an I told you so moment..awful..because the whole subject makes me sick, I long ago talked about the effect marine failure would be on the Native Americans.

    ‘A cultural tragedy’: Karuk Tribe cuts salmon harvest to 200 fish
    4/10/2017
    http://www.times-standard.com/article/NJ/20170410/NEWS/170419992

    Tragedy ..this day, not some speculative tomorrow.

    • DUDe DUDe

      "..The natives are blaming the water conditions and the dams,(they want them removed.. like that is going to happen).."

      Stubbornly holding on to common sense no matter how far in to hopeless disconnectedness the "critical mass of humanity" has drifted to dwell..keeps dwelling..is the stuff that separates heroes from parasitic enablers..

      • DUDe DUDe

        All this life-suffocating planet-modifications where unneccesary if we had kept our population numbers in check..you hear me pope ?

        • SadieDog

          Eh, if we could get rid of @2% of certain people in the population, we'd be ok. 😉

          • DUDe DUDe

            It would be a start to allow some common sense based morals back in to humanity's collective conscience..but technically..the problem of overpopulation and thus oversized footprint would still exist..

            And as long as there is no debate about this..will it be solved with a "culling"..naturally by collapsing foodchains..or fabricated with collapsing economy's or wars by those that maimed our reality in to a suicidal nightmare..

            Instead of going the human way and spread it over a generation or two with birthcontrol..

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              Don't mean to demonize (sort of agreeing with you), but I'm not sure a couple of percentage points, with such an incredible amount of abusive consumers will help much. The system is fundamantally broken, imo.

              So yeah, millions, rather than trillions.

              I don't even need millions (I'm guessing you don't either), but then, we're in a minority.

              • DUDe DUDe

                It depends on my mood a bit too..but purely from an Earth First perspective..to make sue it can recover plenty (a few thousands of years) before humans , if they did not learn their lesson, can fubar it all over..

                Strictly speaking..a few millions left would be enough..

                But as a human that dont want to sound as cold as its culling psycho-unterlords..i'd say it would be a case of trial and error..scaling down untill there is balance..sustainable for us..but just as sustainable for the planet and all its "children"..

                Biologically speaking..the number the planet can carry with no problem if wood would still be our main resource for build and energy..is probably the safest bet to start with..can be increased with a very WISE use of more advanced renewable technollogy..

        • DUDe DUDe

          Donald Trump finally opened his mouth about dams and hydropower last week. The result is as bad as you can imagine.

          Daniel Dale, Washington correspondent for the Toronto Star, tweeted what Trump had to say:

          "Hydropower is great, great, form of power—we don't even talk about it, because to get the environmental permits are virtually impossible. It's one of the best things you can do—hydro. But we don't talk about it anymore."

          But, once again, Trump is dead wrong.

          Here are the problems with hydropower worldwide:

          Kills rivers

          Kills and endangers fish and other species

          Makes climate change worse by causing methane emissions

          Increases methylmercury contamination in water, people, and fish

          Is more expensive than wind and solar is catching up quickly

          Is often pushed through by corrupt governments and corporations in developing countries

          Causes serious human rights violations in many developing countries

          Increases the spread of diseases like the Zika virus

          Makes water quality and pollution in rivers worse

          Floods habitat and ecologically sensitive areas

          Causes reservoirs to fill up with sediment

          Trump's statement that "we don't talk about it anymore" is ridiculous. In fact, there are hundreds of massive hydropower dams under construction across the globe, and thousands being planned.

          http://www.ecowatch.com/trump-dams-hyrdopower-2347763670.html

    • What were they thinking? What where they thinking?

      So right Rose. We have done it to ourselves. Shaking my head.

  • What were they thinking? What where they thinking?

    Hey Stock & others. Another newbie question. For CPM measurements, I'm trying to figure out how CPM measurements extrapolate out to rad alerts and "action to take"? For example, here is a page of charts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cpm+radiation+chart&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwjfrMOOuJrTAhXKy1QKHSJeBaAQsAQIGQ&biw=1088&bih=482#imgrc=F-ZFf7Nv1Gc0kM:

    Thoughts?

    • cool, Google shows my work up first and best. The other guys copied me. I made this chart. From the article—

      This table is based on the Radiation Alert Inspector which is a fine pancake tube type device. The Clicks that any device produces are based on its own "efficiency" in detecting various types of the alpha, beta, or gamma. These can then be converted to a mSv making a huge assumption, i.e. the isotope. Usually Cs is chosen for this guess. But you don't really know the mSv until you know the isotopes involved.

      If you have a cheaper, small tube type Geiger, you are going to pick up less Clicks.

  • What were they thinking? What where they thinking?

    Thanks Stock. I'm on it & watching his videos. Where did you get your info on "action to take"?

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      geiger counters are kind of like a device that can count snakes. They dont tell you that some snakes are 1000x more toxic than others. (conventional science says there is a factor of 20 in toxicity variation). The only value I can see in geiger measurements is a false sense of security for low doses. I suppose if a truck carrying nuke waste turned over, or you wanted to know how long you had to live after seeing a nuclear bomb, then they have their value.
      In Fukushima, young students from different countries measured the radiation. The conclusion; SAFE! completely safe. Meanwhile half the birds and butterflies show deformation. So dont get caught up in the mainstream science unless you want to dig really deep

    • WHAT, I created it. Read the notes at bottom of chart.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Don't you know how attribution and attempted theft works?

        For instance, I mentioned something about books riddled by snakes, poison, discernment and such about two years ago (and in a recent "poem").

        Of course you don't credit for that. And when you mention it, they sort of stfu, turning to sins of omission and deflective attempts.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "They are the canaries of the marine environment," he told the Register. "In past years, the sea lions told us there was no food; now they're telling us there may be another domoic acid bloom."

    Sea Lion Poisonings Point To Algae Bloom Toxin
    April 11 2017

    https://patch.com/california/pacificpalisades/sea-lion-poisonings-point-algae-bloom-toxin

    There WAS no food?.. from where and when did the new food source arrive?

  • Jebus Jebus

    Fishery Managers Close 200 Miles Of West Coast To Salmon Fishing

    April 11, 2017

    About 200 miles of the West Coast will be closed to ocean salmon fishing this year to protect a record-low run of Klamath River chinook.

    Fishery managers with the Pacific Fishery Management Council voted Tuesday for a total closure of ocean salmon seasons from southern Oregon to northern California.

    http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-california-coast-close-salmon-fishing-2017/

  • Jebus Jebus

    But…

    Larger ocean quotas mean recreational anglers can catch more salmon this summer – April 11, 2017

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/outdoors/article144038059.html

  • Jebus Jebus

    Biological Hazard in USA on April 12 2017 05:20 AM (UTC)

    At least 14 female sea lions, some of them pregnant, have fallen ill after a toxic algae bloom in the ocean along the Orange County coast. The Pacific Marine Mammal Center has taken in the sickened animals since April 4. Within the last two days, eight sea lions were rescued. A pregnant sea lion was rescued Tuesday morning, according to the center. The sea lions are being treated and are all in critical condition, according to PMMC. The sea lions are exposed to the toxins when they eat fish such as sardines and anchovies, which in turn eat the algae. Pregnant females are more vulnerable to the illness because they consume more fish while pregnant, experts said. The center covers the San Onofre State Beach and Seal Beach coastlines.

    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=BH-20170412-57812-USA

  • freebywill

    The Navy’s Anti-Environmental Broadside in the Gulf of Alaska http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/war_gulf_us_navys_anti-environmental_broadside_gulf_of_alaska_20170411

    This May, the Navy will again sail its warships into the Gulf of Alaska. There, they will engage in military maneuvers and possibly drop bombs, launch torpedoes and missiles, and engage in activities that stand a significant chance of poisoning those once-pristine waters, while it prepares for future battles elsewhere on the planet.

    And call it irony or call it American life in 2017, but the U.S. military’s Alaska Command has branded Emily Stolarcyk “a troublemaker” for insistently pointing this out. In a state where such a phrase is the equivalent of an obscenity, some have bluntly called her “anti-military.” The office of Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski has termed her a “rabble-rouser,” while a Kodiak Assembly member labeled some of what she’s been saying about the Navy “just silly.”

    [ as if the Pacific and it's marine inhabitants don't have enough toxins already. The US gov't will bring democracy to everyone or destroy the planet in the attempt. In the end will be the most free smoldering shit-heap in the solar system. Btw anyone that doesn't support the troops, salute the flag, or cheer for war is UNAMERICAN. ]

    vive la mort
    vive la guerre
    vive l'argent
    mercenaire

  • Jebus Jebus

    Who needs fish?

    We live on land.

    Who cares?

    Extinction doesn't have to be mass die off's, but it helps.

    Ocean Salmon Fisheries Set: Low California Chinook, Puget Sound Coho Forecasts Constrain Harvest

    http://www.cbbulletin.com/438714.aspx

    Doesn't matter. Effectively no salmon. All good.

    Just a little lost revenue.

    Economic importance of wild salmon

    Wild.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261175674_Economic_importance_of_wild_salmon

    The Ocean solves all our pollution problems anyways… 😐

    Salmon feed the trees that make the oxygen we breathe

    https://www.virgin.com/virgin-unite/salmon-feed-trees-make-oxygen-we-breathe

    It's ok though, the Ocean will make up the loss.

    GoTo: Who needs fish?

  • Jebus Jebus

    Happy Earth Day. Enjoy It While You Last.

    "But in the last few decades, scientists have learned that there’s no real barrier between the physical processes of the planet and the biological ones. Earth was not born a blue planet rich with oxygen. Single-celled organisms called cyanobacteria started releasing oxygen into the atmosphere."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-21/happy-earth-day-enjoy-it-while-you-last

    Prolly unimportant anyways…

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      All in due time..times are a changing.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Until we understand that we can't wash water, times will be a changing.

        Until we understand that we must put it back the way it was, times will be a changing.

        Until we understand that we do not understand, times will be a changing.

        Until we understand that Earth is a whole tiny organism living in the infinite vacuum of space, times will be a changing…

        • DUDe DUDe

          "..Until we understand that we can't wash water, times will be a changing.."

          So so true Jebus..all of it..but the rate we destroy water forever at with radiation and fracking is extra unbelievable..in line with the "infinite economic growth on a finite dying planet" insanity striken dogma loving psycho ape's obsessive–compulsive business disorder lol..but irreversible and criminal to the max..
          Maybe if someone injects it straight in to their veins they will see the true light for a short while..understand the first commands of biology..maybe..

          • Jebus Jebus

            Tritium

            Tritium is a hazard only when taken inside the body (internal hazard). Tritium primarily enters the body when people drink tritiated water.

            https://www.ccpa.net/DocumentCenter/Home/View/3173

            "when (people) drink"

            Does it become H2O again after it decays?

            Is Radioactive Hydrogen in Drinking Water a Cancer Threat?

            February 7, 2014

            The EPA plans to reevaluate standards for tritium in water

            The potential innocuousness raises the question of whether more stringent standards are really needed—which is the determination the EPA made the last time it revisited these standards at the end of the 20th century. "I think the levels of tritium in drinking water today are low enough that I wouldn't worry," Kocher says. "The good news about tritium is that: even if you inhale or ingest an awful lot, it is going to flush out of your body." He adds: "Just have a few beers and you're done."

            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-radioactive-hydrogen-in-drinking-water-a-cancer-threat/

            Do krill drink beer?

            • Jebus Jebus

              Human Health Effects:

              Human Toxicity Excerpts:
              /HUMAN EXPOSURE STUDIES/ The body does not readily absorb H2, HT, HD, D2, DT, or T2 from inhaled gases or through the skin. If inhaled in elemental form, almost all tritium in the gas is exhaled. Only a very small fraction is retained in the lungs. Tritium in the form of water (HTO, DTO, and T2O) is adsorbed through the skin and in the lungs from inhaled gases. Tritium in water form is readily retained in the body and remains with a biological half-life of approximately 10 days. Due to the body's ready adsorption of tritium in the form of tritiated water, exposure to tritiated water in air is on the order of 15,000 to 25,000 times more hazardous than exposure to gaseous tritium (HT, DT, and T2).

              https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+6467

              Whose's measuring? For the krill?

              • Jebus Jebus

                This part is important…

                Most of this comes from the decay of tritium (hydrogen-3), which decays into helium-3 with a half life of 12.3 years. Furthermore, some nuclear reactors (landbound or shipbound) periodically release some helium-3 and tritium into the atmosphere. The nuclear reactor disaster at Chernobyl released a huge amount of radioactive tritium into the atmosphere…

                What other functions does water, H2O, provide?

                Unique Properties of Water

                http://www.intelligentdesigntheory.info/unique_properties_of_water.htm

                For what it's worth, without the pitch…

  • Jebus Jebus

    H2O Is The Frequency Of Life…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Warmer and warmer..
    How warm is it?

    Sea Lions In California Are Dying From A Toxic Algae That Ravages Their Brains
    This is the “worst year ever” for the toxin linked to higher water temperatures and pollution, experts warn.

    April 22 2017

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/domoic-acid-sea-lions-algae-california_us_58f9688be4b018a9ce59d965

    Might we at some point consider water conditions on the whole, the rapid on set ..and the catalyst(s) involved?
    Like radiation?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    And the seasons came and went.. young ones.
    This time came to be known as the 'Season of the Dying Sea Lions'.

    Sea lions exposed to toxic algae washing onto local beaches
    April 21 2017

    http://www.keyt.com/news/environment/sea-lions-exposed-to-toxic-algae-washing-onto-local-beaches/458297070

  • laconic93 laconic93

    Babies being born in Yemen with strange deformities .
    https://www.rt.com/news/382224-yemen-deformed-babies-saudi/

    The area were its concentrated is near the capital where coincidently Saudi Arabia and Israel Nuke them with a tactical Netron Bomb in 2016.

    See
    http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2015/05/former-iaea-inspector-and-nuclear.html?m=1

    Don't think Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons????
    See https://youtu.be/e-LMwVoQbS4

  • laconic93 laconic93

    http://www.rense.com/general96/USnavysink.html

    interesting article, says US is playing in sinking the USS Reagan and other radioactive ships and blame it on North Korea.

  • FredDecimal

    "Official: “This is a nightmare, I have never in my life dreamed that it could get this bad” — Threat of “coast-wide fishing failure”"

    Yeah, it's certainly much more convenient to stay stuck on stupid until the entire ocean is destroyed. Much of the media was complicit in the travesty as well as many "scientists" who just "never thought" of radiation as a possible cause of ocean life die-off, politicians all over the world, and especially Japan. Many believe this could be a planet killer, only time will tell. But for those few, brave souls that have been beating the drum trying to wakeup the masses of sheep since 2011 like Jeff Rense, Dana Durnford and Yoishi Shimatsu, great job.

  • Apart from modern civilization's actions so far, the Hukushima extinction event was caused by dams. Look at how dams rigidly determine the sequencing of quakes at
    http://earthquakescausedbydams.blogspot.in/2017/04/earthquake-sequencing-by-dam-surges.html

  • freebywill

    Extinction Possible as Salmon Runs Hit Near-Record Lows https://www.courthousenews.com/extinction-possible-salmon-runs-hit-near-record-lows/
    MATTHEW RENDA August 2, 2017

    Last week, divers conducted the annual fish population survey on an 80-mile stretch of the Salmon River that winds its way near the California-Oregon border, and found the number of spring-run Chinook salmon was just 110. That figure represents the second lowest number in the 20 years of data collection.

    There has only been one time, in 2005, when fewer fish were counted: divers only managed to count 90 fish that year. Historically, hundreds of thousands of fish made the run from the Pacific Ocean upstream into the Salmon River, a 20-mile tributary of the much larger Klamath River that winds through Siskiyou County.

    In 2011, the same teams of scuba divers managed to count 1,600 fish, but numbers have been on a steady, precipitous decline since.

    The Yurok and Hoopa Tribes, with reservations situated along the Klamath River, received their lowest federal allotment for salmon in several years.
    [ Because the psychopaths in government service (PIGS) have granted themselves authority to decide how many fish the original people of Great Turtle Island get to eat. ]

  • razzz razzz

    'Kredo: The Number of People Unmasked By Samantha Power is ‘Unprecedented’

    "…"No, it's truly unprecedented," Kredo said. "It's certainly odd, and I think the House Intelligence Committee, rightfully so, has subpoenaed her to find out what is going on here. Look, it's hundreds of unmasking requests in just the final year of the Obama administration."

    He talked about how it was strange that a United Nations ambassador would be making unmasking requests of President Donald Trump's associates during the 2016 presidential election. Those same unmasked people would in some cases later become Trump administration officials.

    "The fact that this information subsequently leaked to the press, I think raises even more questions about why a U.N ambassador over in Turtle Bay needs to unmask," Kredo said…"
    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/kredo-number-unmasked-power-unprecedented/

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