US Gov’t Expert: Large marine animals likely sensed danger of Fukushima plume and fled, “Not going to wait until they start to die off” — Explains unprecedented concentrations of whales and other sea life clustering off West Coast? (VIDEO)

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RIA Novosti, Jun 15, 2011: Ocean currents ultimately carry this radioactive material to N. America

Jeff Feldner, Oregon Sea Grant Extension (NOAA) fisheries specialist (at 2:30 in): It’s probable that, for one thing, a lot of the larger animals got out of there quickly. The other thing is that I suspect animals, like whales for instance, I think they would probably be able to tell that something was wrong. They’re very, very intelligent animals. They’re not going to just wait until they start to die off. I think they’re probably likely going to voluntarily gotten out of the area.

Radioactive material has been flowing into the Pacific since the Fukushima disaster began 3 years ago. Scientists say its leading edge made it across the ocean by Summer 2013. Soon after, reports began to appear about unprecedented concentrations of large marine animals congregating close to shore along the west coast:

Dec. 21, 2013: “Unprecedented activity” near Canada’s West Coast: Whales in record numbers, displaying highly unusual behavior — Expert: Problems in Pacific could be bringing sea life to area; “Something’s amiss out there”

Nov. 30, 2013: Whale Expert near Vancouver: In 30 years I’ve never ever seen this kind of behavior, “They must sense this is a safe place to be” — Captain: I’ve never seen anything like it in 50 years on Pacific — “One even placed its head on the boat” (VIDEO)

Nov. 30, 2013: CBS News: 100s of whales in bay on California coast; It’s never been like this, we just can’t even believe it — Experts: We just aren’t sure what’s going on; “A once-in-a-lifetime chance… unheard of, it’s unbelievable, nobody’s seen this” (VIDEO)

Nov. 25, 2013: NYTimes: Unprecedented concentration of sea creatures near shore in California; Experts baffled, longtime residents astounded — Biologist: “It’s a very strange year… The $64,000 question is why?” — Similar to ‘extraordinary’ events seen recently along Canada’s Pacific coast? (VIDEO)

Nov. 7, 2013: ‘Extraordinary’ string of whale and dolphin encounters off Canada’s Pacific coast “could have a deeper meaning” — Indigenous Academic Adviser: “We see them as our relatives, as ancestors… It’s for the better of all of us to listen” (VIDEO)

Watch Feldner’s interview here

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167 comments to US Gov’t Expert: Large marine animals likely sensed danger of Fukushima plume and fled, “Not going to wait until they start to die off” — Explains unprecedented concentrations of whales and other sea life clustering off West Coast? (VIDEO)

  • zogerke zogerke

    Exceptionally sad, there is no safe place for them. Truly, what can be done with ocean contamination of this magnitude? Like watching your beloved family member sicken….


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    • This theory that they fled to the west coast is crazy.
      The heart of the rad plume is offshore and supposedly hitting the west coast this year, if it hasn't already. Look at the diagram. Why would they migrate through the plume in the direction it is going?


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      • hbjon hbjon

        It goes something like this…..If you're out in the sun and begin to get a sunburn, you instinctively get out of the sun and look for shade. Even the cows that are out in pasture know this and try to find a billboard or tree to sit under.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Many migrating sea animals travel via the current.
        Around them travelling with them is radioactive water.
        The same affecting their food supply…the food supply is contaminated and diminishing.
        So they have to push faster…there is no turning back..
        It's return to the migration cycle and perish…or get lost..flounder and perish..


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    • papacares papacares

      Friends – the tag is a bit misleading the video was made in June/July of 2011 and for some reason is just now surfacing – it's purpose was to promote an overall feel good image of safety and promotion for the sanctity of ocean life rather than an announcement of ocean life fleeing a disaster – this is my home and these are my people I can witness to you all the video was not an admission by the science center there is any danger it was rather the opposite – now the question is does that make it right? NO it does not, this group all has there heads in the sand and are in complete denial because, they know there is no solution this whole mess is like that of a doctor who knows no matter what is done the patient is going to die so the best that can be done is make everyone as comfortable as possible the problem is the doctor has also contracted the disease and knows their own fate – these nuke facilities are nothing more than death factories and will inevitably claim more deaths than the death machines of Stalin and the little paper hanger from Germany – so what can be done – have been on this site from the beginning and little is said to fix but a lot is said to vent – so who is to judge – we are all dead


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      WOW, this book was one of the most inspiring back then 30 years ago for me. The spirituality, love, awe and joy whales invoke in me are a book full to share. I am deeply connected to them. The whales brought me from Europe to California. They were the gift my husband made me back then – surprising me with a trip to California to whale watch… Now I have to witness them dying. I would love to inspire to open a container, a virtual space, where people from all over the world can meet to grief. We need to be able to grief. I am not equipped to do this, to create such a space and want to put the idea out there.


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      • Homolumina Homolumina

        Thank you so much for sharing Zogerke


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      • zogerke zogerke

        homolumina humanlight, you are not alone in this perception or need.


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Agreed. These stories, and the ones about the women, children, suffering families and men who don't know what to do to save their families, are the ones that fill me with grief.

          Can't spend a whole lot of time here because it just gets so overwhelming after awhile.

          Met a Lawrence Livermore Lab chemist (grad student) today who had NO IDEA the EPA has shut off the U.S. West Coast radiation monitors, changed the PAG's last year (Protective Action Guidelines). She was really shocked to hear that. A basically decent young person with zero exposure to the risks of radiation exposure. Feel like e-mailing John Gofman's book to her.

          Everyone in government seems so compartmentalized here in the U.S. Like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Wondering if it's like that in Japan, too….


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          • Kloudksy

            HoTaters, there is overwhelming evidence that practically all nations dedicated to nuclear reactor energy, nuclear weaponry, and medical x-rays, (eg France, US, Japan, or Russia) have been ignoring, disregarding, and actively hiding the real facts about the harm and toxicity of ionizing radiation for over half a century (discussed in the e-book "The Mammogram Myth" by Rolf Hefti).

            The recognition of this fact fully explains this "Lab chemist's" lack of comprehension about what's really going on. The racket is profound and systematic. You can see that "in action" in how the corporate press has blacked out what's going on at Fukushima, or 9/11, or the ugly truth about the US Federal Reserve Bank, etc……


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      • Homolumina, I am about to open a new group on my site which might work. The site is kind of new and there are not a lot of members yet. It is a spiritual site, but the new group I want to add will be a place to post news articles about things worth praying about, such as Fukushima and all the harm it is causing including animal deaths. Surely this could be a place to express our grief as well as post latest reports and choose things to pray for. Let me know if you are interested. I can supply the link once I get the new group set up. It will be called something like World New worthy of Prayer.


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        • World News worthy of Prayer, with an "s", sorry.


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        • Homolumina Homolumina

          Yes dear Tilly, I am very interested. I totally understand that this forum must stay on track, but we all are so sad, hurt, devastated – please let me know as soon as it is set up… Thank you so much and blessings your way !I don't know if you have heard about Little Grandmother and her actions – she is calling out for people to send crystals to Fukushima, I am not sure of the effects though… However – the spiritual side of this disaster needs to be addressed and you are on it …


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          • I'm sure lots of us here are really hurting for all the innocent dying, and that does include all living things.
            Where should I post the link once I have it? And, do you have an anonymous email address I could email to, even a temporary one? I know it's not good to post email addresses here.
            I should have the new group up some time this weekend. It would be great to have you and some of us here on there, too.


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  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    So now the humans will flee?


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  • norbu norbu

    What mystery? We kinda figured that one out when it happend. Glad you finally caught up.
    N


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  • Ontological Ontological

    I am sure they feel sick and leave the area that makes them that way. Problem is there is nowhere to go. Humans have the same problem. I mourn the loss, have sailed the Pacific on many a cruise. Afraid now the bucket list trips have kicked the bucket.


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  • Lady M

    It's not that the animals are fleeing to the safety of the west coast; it's that they are fleeing and they happen to bump into the west coast.


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    • bo bo

      So true Lady M… this 'they must come here because they sense that it is safe here' is a desperate final attempt to keep the public from realizing the plume is already arriving on the west coast.


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    • Lady M, your idea makes more sense. apparently some of them went south to that bay off Baja where they have their babies. Down there people were also amazed at the numbers of marine mammals in the water. I hoped that they'd go further south but it is probably not on their habitual travel route. It will take longer for the rad pollution to reach western offshore South America– I'd hope anyway.


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      • James Tekton James Tekton

        "I hoped that they'd go further south but it is probably not on their habitual travel route."

        Howdy hey, Hogy.

        We were thinking the same thing but realized, they are going into their winter down there in SA. The animals are normally instinctual, and move to warmer waters during the seasonal changes. What a sad thing if they are smart enough to realize their eventual demise, and find going back to the colder waters of the south may be like having their backs up against the wall.

        Of course as everybody knows, it is just as bad and most probably far more radioactively contaminated down there after all the historic bomb tests they did for decades. We researched that and it does not look good judging by the common wind and ocean currents. A lot of videos show very high readings down there. The safe places to be are fast disappearing.

        Pray for the Cetaceans.

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  • Jebus Jebus

    Why can't people wrap their heads around all of the toxic chemicals that were washed into the ocean before the plants exploded.
    Couple this with the radionuclide laced water gushing from the plants for almost 3 full years and a dead horse would get up and run from it…


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  • TruthSeeker TruthSeeker

    The beginning of the end sensed by these ocean creatures? Yet, our fearless leaders and big corporations push on to create evermore nuclear waste and "population control" poisons (Monsanto GMO's anyone!). Dumber than rocks as rocks at appear to be listening anyway…


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  • Archie Archie

    Look at that map. I'll bet they start beaching soon, choosing suicide over slow poison.


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    • norbu norbu

      Yes it is getting close, beaching or heading south…
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    • norbu norbu

      Archie, you said, "choosing suicide over slow poison." Seems like we will have the same fate someday.
      N


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    • tbg

      Whales are already beaching themselves all over the place, a ton here in Washington, and California, Central and South America and on the Atlantic. They are looking for new ways to kill beached whales because its happening so frequently in such large numbers. Here's one of many msm articles about it, but none of the msm articles acknowledge the number or magnitude of these beachings, they just talk about the general problem for fisheries people watching these hundred ton whales bellow and dry out dying for weeks.

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140205-whale-stranding-euthanasia-oceans-animals-medicine-science/

      There are tons of strange die-offs and animal behaviors occurring already in 2014 and many more in 2013. Its not just a plume of water though, there IS a plume of concentrated water that is here already but there are also continual releases from fuku, air and sea, some water soluable, some aerosolized heavy metals that fall out of the air, plus tons of tritiated water. There are graphite bucky balls as well particles of spent fuel rod and the same plutonium we're breathing. That 300 tons a day of water they are pouring on the coriums is running right into the ocean and it probably burns so all in all I think if I were a whale there's a lot of reasons to beach and kill yourself slowly on a beach along with the rest with your podmates.


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    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "I'll bet they start beaching soon, choosing suicide over slow poison."

      Hi, Archie.

      Sounds like what a lot of humans might say in the future.

      To many on the obamacare beach, choosing suicide over slow radioactive poisoning might be the way out for many.

      Sad, darn sad.

      Pray for those who are suffering, and our own here most especially.

      On a side note, we heard from a dear friend that works in our local grocery store that she is having thyroid problems. She has lost thirty pounds in a month. The toll of this evil has finally hit the mid-west Rocky Mountain Region. Over a thousand miles inland from the west coast. Please encourage preventative radiation protocols and countermeasures. The information is here in the right side bar links.

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  • lam335 lam335

    In saying that they "sensed the danger" of the plume, they're saying that the animals are capable of experiencing fear and stress at the prospect of radiological material. The next move will be to explain away any physical health impacts on these creatures by saying that they are the result of this stress/fear, and not actually the result of the physical exposure to radiation.

    Such health impacts will thus be shown to be the fault of the sea creatures, which allowed themselves to get stressed out about the plume instead of just smiling and thinking happy fish thoughts.

    They've gotten away with arguments like this regarding human beings for decades; why not try making them about the rest of the animal kingdom?


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    • We Not They Finally

      I wouldn't conclude that. No one is trying to psychoanalyze the whales Animals react by sensitive physical instincts that humans lack. It's just reason to know that there are terrible things physically wrong.


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      • lam335 lam335

        I don't doubt that. I'm just spinning out the kind of reasoning that those inclined to deny the physical harm caused by radiation will generate based on these findings:

        "Fukushima prefecture health adviser (Shunichi Yamashita, MD, PhD. Dean. Nagasaki University Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences): Those who smile will have no radiation damage, only those who make constant worry…"
        http://enenews.com/worried-well-no-health-danger-from-876-millisieverts-a-year-its-the-duty-of-scientific-community-to-reduce-fear-anxiety-video

        If the alternative to making such arguments is to acknowledge that the rads themselves are physically harmful, someone will eventually apply the stress-not-rads-causes-ill-health argument to the sea creatures displaying signs of illness. Here we have evidence of fear: they "sensed danger" … that is certainly stress inducing… The next step in the reasoning is there, just waiting for a veterinary Dr. Yamashita to come along and articulate it.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    another thing unprecedented is that someone associated with NOAA Jeff Feldner, has spilled the chum. Its probable that damage control will kick in now because these are very very smart animals. And they can be unconscionable, unlike whales or even sharks who generally leave you alone.


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  • weeman

    Can you say cesium peroxide, I am going to guess it is corrosive and if something burns, you run.


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  • humptydumpty humptydumpty

    The whales and large fish are sensitive to toxins in the water. There's a good chance they tasted something metallic and instinctively knew that was dangerous. It's a bit like driving behind an old jalopy pouring out smoke — you get the heck away preferably by getting ahead of it. Well, there are a whole lot more of those NPP Trabbys out there and we had better learn a lesson from the whales. Not that we could run away for long, but rather decomission the whole lot of them. This should be the human world's top priority.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    What about the slow ones, the short finned ones, the tiny ones, the crawlers, the burrowers, the plants, the crustaceans, ect…?

    I would venture that they became sea snot…


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    • maybesomeday

      The sea salp and other unique ocean creatures. Take a long last look. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/22/world/asia/strange-sea-creature/


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Yes, a radioactive sea snot that nothing will eat..rotting dead carcasses covering the entire Pacific Ocean.

      Gee, isn't Nuclear Power just a wonderful concept? What the hell were these people thinking?

      Like spreading fake manmade sunshine in the form of death and disease/cancers all around the planet! :(


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      • whatamessa

        yES,and even now they are planning new Reactor sites!!very very disturbing,these people are criminals.


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      • wa6smn wa6smn

        The act of "rotting" is usually mediated by micro-organisms feeding on the substrate. The area around Chernobyl is remarkable in that things that should have rotted in a normal biosphere are preserved…likely because the radiation killed the micro-organisms necessary to the "rotting" process. The sea floor may end up in similar fashion. Biological material that doesn't break down due to a sterile environment.


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        • tbg

          Those same micro-organisms and bacteria and viruses are what feed the phytoplankton in the ocean, which of course form the base of the food chain and also produce most of the oxygen on earth. If they died off, it has been estimated humans beings could only exist on earth 10-20 years before we would run out of oxygen.

          This is really one of my big worries about fukushima, radiation killing the ocean and thus earths oxygen. Or that aerosolized metals like plutonium, which concentrates in reproductive organs, will make us unable to produce genetically viable offspring in a few generations, like in belarus. No healthy children by the time they're 18, sterility, genetic mutations, maybe that's how tokyo will be in another 5 years.

          We may die from fukushima, or we may just die, but eventually die we will, however my biggest worry is that this may be moving beyond just the death of us and towards the slow death of humanity. Maybe pigs or monkeys can do better in another million years, at least pigs wont shit where they eat.


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      • hbjon hbjon

        You're seeing too clearly these days Obewan, perhaps a headband tightening is in order.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Obewan, good analogy, the "fake sunshine" thing. Very good analogy.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    The public of the world do not yet know what is happening. And new nuclear deals are being made as we speak. We have truly entered an apocalyptic era. Dont think so?

    This is what your government/business/bankers dont want you to know; Dr. Strohm; Fukushima has 12,000 times the radiation contained in the reactors and spent fuel pools, compared to Chernobyl. Reports vary, but Fukushima is anywhere from 10 to 85 to over a thousand times worse compared to Chernobyl which killed a million people and sacked the economy of a country, devastating five million lives across Europe. From 28,000,000,000 to three trillion lethal doses have already been released. Only fools would wonder why sensitive animals are trying to get away from the poison. Fukushima; the unprecedented release of poison results in the unprecedented deaths and migrations of sea life…could the two possibly, in their wildest imaginations, be related?

    Sorry for lack of links, but here are some names;
    Professor Yuri Bandazhevsky
    Prof. Koide
    Dr. Strohm
    Dr. Paolo Scampa


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  • razzz razzz

    Whales get twice the exposure, being in a radioactive ocean and breathing in radioactive air.


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  • Uranium_Mountain Uranium_Mountain

    Has any of the Enenews readers that might have Beta and Gamma emitter samples considered taking the samples, putting them in a water tight yet non beta blocking material and dipping them in a salt water aquarium to see the reaction of the fish? Of course one would want to use a other non radioactive test samples that look exactly the same to make sure the fish aren't just reacting to a strange object in the tank. If the fish react only to the Beta emitters which are electrically charged and they flee, wouldn't the ocean fish do the same? Further supporting the hypothesis that the fish fled ahead of the plume until they hit the western United States coastal areas? Perhaps the whales, dolphins and seals were fleeing also or perhaps they were just enjoying the gathering of the fish. Might be harder to say with mammals but fish have lateral lines that sense electrical pulses. I believe this theory was brought up by another poster at an earlier date but I haven't read of anyone actually trying this out with live fish.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    NUCLEAR WREAKING HAVOC WITH NATURE . . .

    The world must join Sweden, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Spain in the nuclear phase-out.

    Nuclear phase-out is inevitable, but must happen soon.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Tomorrow is not soon enough.. :( Shut all this Nuclear Crap down now! All of it… :)

    Where are all the wise men and women?


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  • Max1 Max1

    Shorter NOAA…

    … The Canaries in the coal mine died.
    KEEP DIGGING!


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  • Yep. Mystery solved. Feldner is trying so hard to speak the truth through an academic strangle-hold.
    He spilled it all anyway. Bet he was shaking in his flippers.
    This was from "3 months after the earthquake and tsunami"??
    Good eyes and ears for finding this jewel… thanks, & dammit.


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  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    regrets: my avatar and signon are anachronistic. It seems.


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  • unbelievable

    Remember that "SUPER MEGA POD" of dolphins FEBRUARY 2013 off the coast of San Diego????


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  • unbelievable

    Five miles by seven miles… Super mega pod of dolphins trying to get away from something!


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Everything you knew, and did not want to be true…

    Goodnight enewsers, with love…

    Blue October-Into The Ocean (Lyrics)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_h04gjE5ws


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  • We Not They Finally

    I guess it's only people who "wait until they die off." The whales know better. People — a NOT "very very intelligent animal."


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  • Nigwil

    Ocean algae bio-accumulate radiation – enough the algae stops blooming and dies off. (A pity, because the algae of the oceans also produce a large part of the oxygen we breathe!)

    Krill eat algae and bio-accumulate the radiation – enough the krill stops growing and dies.

    Fish and (especially) whales eat krill and bio-accumulate the radiation further. First they will notice the crash in their food supply, and they will move further afield. As they move (most likely unknowingly in formation with the eastward-advancing perpetually supplied plume of radioactive water from Fukushima) they will find no food behind them, and only radiation-sodden food around them.

    Sea birds will starve as their food supplies die off and they will suffer radiation sickness as they eat and breathe Japanese Fuel Fleas.

    Fish, whales, dolphins, orca, tuna, sardines, seals, sea lions and ocean birds – their immune systems crash, subject to strange illnesses they seek havens as far east as possible, where they eventually die of starvation and disease.

    The seals, polar bears and star fish were the canaries in the cage, the huge schools of dolphins and pods of 'strangely behaving whales' are there in desperation to give us a message the powers that be refuse to hear. 'Scientists' not worthy of the title wonder 'What can the problem be???' Duh!

    The Pacific is dying. Japan is dying. This need not have happened


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "[...]The U.S., and Canada are, so far, safe from any direct economic or environmental dangers."

    This was a couple of months after the man-made disaster began. This is the big secret behind the code words, "No immediate threat to public health."

    They need to add this to their coded warnings: "In a few years you will be shitting your pants." But, then, it wouldn't be code, would it?


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  • Homolumina Homolumina

    Could this be radiation related ? Especially as the trout was confiscated – I don't know if the reason is phony.

    http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/outposts/post/enormous-lake-trout-far-heavier-than-world-record-but-theres-a-serious-snag/

    Enormous lake trout far heavier than world record, but there’s a serious snag
    Minnesota angler seems to have exceeded limit, 52-pound fish seized

    March 01, 2014 by Pete Thomas


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    GAAAAAAAAKKKKK!!!!!!
    I am quite dismayed that this graphic has gotten the attention that it has here in context of a major disconnect!

    It is a screen grab from adrift.org.au sponsored by Dr Erik Van Sebille at the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales.

    The web site is "…about the true adventure of 28,800 rubber ducks lost at sea."

    I SHIT YOU NOT!

    He "…uses a scientific method that is based on observed tracks revealed by buoys in the Global Drifter Program and other scientific research in this field. "

    I will translate without using differential equations.

    They have taken measured ocean current data from buoys and then
    extrapolated that out to predict/estimate where the 28,000 rubber ducks went after they fell off an ocean cargo ship from China years ago. And other plastic too.

    He offers the caveat "…or the path rubber ducks may have taken…"

    Emphasis on MAY.

    Hence, no real measured data, and sure as hell not at all about the radiation plume from hell we are all waiting for.
    Quake debris, yes.

    Being the smartest guy in the room during most of my adult life has simply become an annoyance…to me and most everyone in the room. It was never a choice.

    I hang out here A LOT because this a virtual room full of smart people. (or those who are at least willing to try).
    People who are motivated to understand this phenomenal real time paradox in natural selection.

    "The future's here. We are IT. We…


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    "The future's here. We are IT. We are on our own"
    Throwing Stones
    The Grateful Dead


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    When the whales are extinct, that's when the Japanese will get reeally upset. They love eating whale. @#%$$@!


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    • bo bo

      I don't!!! Actually not many Japanese people do.


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      • earthsmith

        In ten years there will be no more humans to eat.


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      • or-well

        That's why there's frozen whale meat in storage.
        However, it is also consumed in Iceland and Norway, two other whaling nations.


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        • bo bo

          I know. I will share this story which will make everybody hate me.
          I have eaten whale meat. They used to serve it in school lunch program. Not sure if they still do. This was in the 80s. Some teachers back then also had this attitude : food should not be wasted, be grateful for food. So you were punished if you didn't finish your portion. After lunch was recess, but some kids who had no appetite had to sit in a corner being forced to eat food they don't like. Some girls would start sobbing and tears would drop into their food and make it nice and salty. My memory of it is, actually the whole class hated whale meat. And because of this some kids would check the monthly upcoming lunch menu and stay home pretending to be sick to avoid this horror straight out of a Pink Floyd video. We called it Whale Flu. :(


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          • or-well

            bo, thank you. HUG! Now it's not whale meat (well, maybe it still is) but a nice lunch from home because the parents don't trust the school lunch not to have Fuku in it that the kids are made to dump in the garbage. Remember the reports of kids being told they were bad and humiliated in class because they had lunch from home? Teachers – complicit. I am enraged thinking about it. I better stop now.
            Was bullying endemic and structural within your school's culture?


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            • bo bo

              Believe it or not, my school was considered one of the better bully-free schools… we were supposed to be grateful about that. From my perspective it still seemed quite militaristic, having come from a more free ( in comparison) environment in New York.

              The sick whale meat experience was exactly what I was reminded of when I read about the kids in Fukushima that refused to eat school lunches ( or at least tried to). From what I recall – the teachers punished them for being 'unpatriotic' .. kids in Harajuku might have their hair dyed blue ( or whatever is the trend) but nothing has changed in Japan, in fact, things are worse.

              Thanks for not hating me or-well. I appreciate it :(


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              • or-well

                bo, it's interesting that bullying was acknowledged tangentially that way. I suspect it does vary a lot around the country to some degree. I doubt Abe's "retro" mindset is helping. :(
                I didn't want to mention that "unpatriotic" part in case it inflamed some stupid anti-Japanese remark.
                Why would I hate you? Your hobby equipment doesn't include a harpoon cannon does it?

                "Fin's bow cut the harpoon line
                as it flew through the air
                as blasts from her cannons
                with THUNDER spat fire!"

                One can dream.


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          • zogerke zogerke

            bo- you were a child. how can you be blamed when you tried to deal with the coercion the best you could?


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            • bo bo

              Thanks zogerke… at least now I'm trying not to eat whales and dead babies… I've been pretty successful with the whale part.. but apparentky not so much with the dead babies :(
              http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-food/aborted-fetus-cells-artificial-flavors.php


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              • or-well

                I thought it would get worse before we started eating our own.


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              • unincredulous unincredulous

                I read that about Pepsi months and months ago. Now when I pick my drink from the machine, it crosses my mind. I think, " someone selling me this pop would use baby cells to test my taste responses…something about fetuses. " Uh, Dr. Pepper! Something about Mt. Dew, can't remember… Coke…politically I don't like Coke, but can't remember why…maybe I'll get a Coke. The heck with it, I'll get whatever. Kraft is all GMO now someone said. I wish corporations WERE people, I could at least be racist or sexist, that might make the decision easier. But sometimes I think that everything I know is wrong, and the William Casey CIA disinformation campaign has defeated me. Pay no attention, I'm choosing my beverage now…and I'll have the uh…ummm…the lobotomy.

                I'm glad you're here, Bo


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                • Sol Man

                  Unin, please just pick water-
                  if you can find it!


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                  • bo bo

                    …but not Aquafina water Sol Man. Don't ask me why we need to be buying bottled tap water in the first place but what is the need for flavor enhancers using aborted fetuses for water…?

                    http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/disturbing-report-aborted-human-fetal-cells-in-your-food-vaccines-cosmetics


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                    • Sol Man

                      I noted the use of fetus components in cosmetics previously, the link that you bring also allows me to know that the world has become all the more horrifying.
                      I can't believe the level to which we have sunk.

                      To all of the children, my profound sorrow.


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                    • zogerke zogerke

                      Bo, found this regarding 'products ' grown in fetal cells. It is from CHOP, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and talks about vaccines and how they are made with 2 strains of fetal cells from the 1960s.
                      http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues.html

                      (CHOP is the best hospital in Philly, in my personal ((experience)) and professional opinion, though that has nothing to do with this topic)

                      I am guessing the flavor ingredients come from the same bio-lines.


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                    • zogerke zogerke

                      From that CHOP article- for the sake of adding info to the conversation:
                      <<Varicella (chickenpox), rubella, hepatitis A, shingles and one preparation of rabies vaccine are all made in fetal embryo fibroblast cells. These cells were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same embryonic cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines. Fibroblast cells are the cells needed to hold skin and other connective tissue together.

                      The reasons that fetal cells were originally used included:

                      Viruses need cells to grow and tend to grow better in cells from humans than animals (because they infect humans).
                      Almost all cells die after they have divided a certain number of times; scientifically, this number is known as the Hayflick limit, and for most cell lines it is around 50 divisions; however, fetal cells can go through many more divisions before dying.

                      So, as scientists studied these viruses in the lab, they found that the best cells to use were the fetal cells mentioned above. When it was time to make a vaccine, they continued growing the viruses in the cells that worked best during these earlier studies.>>


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      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Really? I thought you had dinner plates like 75 feet across. You had to take off your shoes because there was no room for them.

        Seriously, the generalized stereotype has got me again. You don't have harpoons in the trunk of your car.

        I learned that from TV. I didn't inhale. I did inhale. I have no excuse. Sorry.


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        • bo bo

          Ahahaha… 75 ft long plates… we'd need that to dine on a whale wouldn't we?
          Where to store those giant plates on that small island…?

          Actually I do have Harpoons in the trunk of my car. The IPA kind…that makes me a stereotypical Bostonian :) Actually, my boyfriend's car. My license was revoked. I'm Asian so I can't drive. Lol


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          • or-well

            Gasp! Oh…hahaha! Good clues!


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          • unincredulous unincredulous

            Must be good stuff. Cheers! Say hello to that crazy mailman. I haven't met too many Asians until recently. I work with a bunch of Burmese guys. I can't understand much of their broken English. But, still I think they are great guys. A couple have impressed me as the coolest people I have met. They are refugees from a messed up place. Which seems odd to me. I have a feeling I would like to run away to Burma. One guy seems like the most innocent, polite, young man, I ever met. They all have great personalities. I wish I could understand them better. Even the ones that speak English, I just get wore out, saying what? Then sometimes blank stare off and um, yeah.

            I told one of them about Fuku a few months back. His wife just had a baby, and I wish now I had said nothing. Well, I'm real tired and the sun is up. I am a WhereFrog, ya know. So I better go to bed before I insult some other cats.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    In ten years there will only be grotesque living deformed tumors left to eat here on planet Earth and all with a special individual luminous radioactive glow.. :(

    grotesque |grōˈtesk|
    adjective
    comically or repulsively ugly or distorted: grotesque facial distortions.
    • incongruous or inappropriate to a shocking degree: a lifestyle of grotesque luxury.
    noun
    1 a very ugly or comically distorted figure, creature, or image: the rods are carved in the form of a series of gargoyle faces and grotesques.
    • (the grotesque) that which is grotesque: images of the macabre and the grotesque.
    • a style of decorative painting or sculpture consisting of the interweaving of human and animal forms with flowers and foliage.
    2 Printing a family of 19th-century sans serif typefaces.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I'll have the boiled tumor main dish, and some tumor kabobs with tumorbasco sause, tumor salad, tumor smoothie, followed with desert- tumorcreme with tumor flavor.

      My car runs on tumor, it's sustainable. Let's go meet my family…

      Hi, what's your name? I'm too, and you? I'm too, too. This is my brother Tum, and my sister, too. We are the Mer family.

      Hi, how you? I'm Too Mer, and you? Me too! I'm delerious. Up too late…


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Last night I met a dolphin. He swam up to me in the way a dog approaches; with big beautiful eyes and wagging their tails. All he wanted was hugs. The more I would hug him and love him, the calmer he would get and he would hug me right back, with his gorgeous head in my neck. Right before I woke, I realized that this was the last dolphin left. He wasn't there to make friends with me so much as he didn;t want to die alone. Unfortunately I woke up, and I wasn't able to comfort him until his dying breath. I keep telling myself not to be so upset or feel so guilty- that it was only a dream. But it's not just a dream. This is too much, not sure how much more I can take really.


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    • zogerke zogerke

      if that were my dream, if i had dreamed it, it would mean i really needed to take care of myself, and get some solace from somewhere even as i educated myself and others about all this….


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    • Socrates

      Write down your dreams upon wakening each morning. That helps you get in touch with this rich symbolism in your unconscious mind. Our losses from this ongoing disaster reach down to the atoms and molecules of the building blocks of life. From our DNA to our cellular metabolism to our immune systems to our unconscious minds…

      All the corporations care about is money. The purpose of a corporation is to make money for the shareholders. That is their DNA in the articles and bylaws; certainly, we have a higher purpose than that.

      SCOTUS gives corporations more rights than individuals have. Corporations are the citizens of the new world order, not citizens of nation-states. We are consumers, wages slaves, serfs, debt slaves, cannon fodder, roadkill, worthless eaters….The commons is a corporate asset to waste as they see fit.

      They constantly threaten nuclear war, too. A true Orwellian nightmare.


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    • "There is, one knows not what sweet mystery about this sea, whose gently awful stirrings seems to speak of some hidden soul beneath;…"

      "… the waves should rise and fall, and ebb and flow unceasingly; for here, millions of mixed shades and shadows, drowned dreams, somnambulisms, reveries; all that we call lives and souls, lie dreaming, dreaming, still; tossing like slumberers in their beds; the ever-rolling waves but made so by their restlessness."
      - Melville

      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Moby-Dick#The_Pacific_.28111.29


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  • GQR2

    A tolling bell for the sea creatures
    whose home,even large as it is
    has been thoroughly destroyed leaving them nowhere.
    This did not have to happen. They were killed by lies about radiation,just like we are now. all around us,cancer,fast cancer,slow cancer. This is what the death cult profits on. And lies about in a myriad of ways.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKTIe6piDOI
    The beautiful,smart sea creatures are dead,dying literally panicking at the edge of the coast,hurling themselves out of there in an attempt to escape.
    They are a huge warning. We are experiencing the same thing. The animals know. Its not some "new" mysterious animal behavior. They are huge massive die offs and they are real. The entire food chain has been destroyed or will be shortly. If we had their senses and instincts we would be beaching ourselves as well.


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  • SadieDog

    California Dept. of Health, Fukushima radiation measurements 2011-2013, sea, soil, milk…
    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/pubsforms/Pubs/FukushimaEnvironmentalMonitoring.pdf


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  • Questionit

    A theme of the articles seems to be that the sea life has moved itself to safety and all is well. From this article from a sailor it sounds like the sea life in the open ocean is gone and now what once found food there is searching desperately close to shore.

    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken/


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    • Socrates

      Yes, reading too much into animal behavior is not "scientific." It is incorrect to impute the knowledge of a toxicologist or nuclear engineer to animals. Yet, animals do pick up on changes that men are oblivious to. Food, climate, electrical currents in the ocean… many things animals are attuned to that allow for use of instincts we do not understand.

      We can split the atom but do not understand ourselves. We have evolved with an uncanny ability to lie since we have both oral and written speech. Do dolphins use propaganda? Do whales lie? Only mankind does that. With language skills and the opposable thumb, we are manipulators. That includes truth. Marine animals – mammals at least – do not manipulate.


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      • Questionit

        The whales, dolphins, seals etc get peoples attention but the small fry support the large.

        Whales and dolphins could sense chemicals and electrical or just irritation of their exceptional senses, and move. But the type of absence of life described sounds like a die off of the smaller creatures that support larger life.

        Bait fish, plankton and all the small fry may be greatly depleted. And those do not appear to have, or be able to , migrate away so they may just be dead. If this is the case the mass die off of the larger species will become even more evident.

        If plankton is seriously threatened then it will difficult for any to rebound.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Read Dr. John Lilly for insights into Cetaceans.

    Solid State Intelligence

    "Solid State Intelligence (SSI) is a malevolent entity described by Lilly (see The Scientist). According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop (or has already developed) into an autonomous life-form. Since the optimal survival conditions for this life-form (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those needed by humans (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesised", based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence. –Wikipedia


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  • Nick

    It would be great if some one grabbed a bucket of Fukushima effluent as it gushes into the sea.

    Same bucket of water could be used to test reactions of sea creatures to same.

    Drop a fish in, watch it contort in pain.

    Drop some phytoplankton in, see if it dies.

    Rub some of the water over the skin of a dolphin, listen to it squeak and wail in agony.

    Those are necessary data checks that we just don't have right now.

    No one is verifying the "sting" of the ocean's water.


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  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    Way O.T. But: Not to be too personal in reply on this, but it would seem a good thing to tighten up a few loose screws and then see how that goes.

    ____________

    In the meantime, it would be much appreciated if a whale/dolphin expert could share any knowledge about the taste and smell sensitivities of these mammals. Someone above alluded to that as a precipitating factor for the unusual migrations westward re: F-ku constant releases of N-S@$t.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I still think about these words..
    Ken Buesseler:

    One year later, we have to ask, what do we know about Fukushima's impact on the ocean and levels of radioactive contaminants in water and fish?

    "In many ways we were fortunate that impacts were largely confined to the ocean. Certainly, the Japanese people continue to feel devastating effects of so large a release within their country, and many people may never be able to return to their homes. But in general the winds during the height of the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were blowing offshore. As a result, more than three-quarters of the radioactivity fell on the ocean. This is important, as any that lands on soil remains in place, resulting in the potential for greater human exposure and increased chances of contamination to food supplies and property."

    Lucky ..confined to the ocean..?
    Lucky?

    What Fukushima accident did to the ocean
    March 11 2012

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/10/opinion/buesseler-fukushima-ocean/index.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..The land and sea are..one.
    Lovers..in the foam and in the mist .and in the ocean breeze.


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  • maybesomeday

    Producer of the Animal Planet special 'Animal Instinct' says: "It's certainly extraordinary that senses and instincts on the part of animals are far more sophisticated than any manmade warning system." http://mackenzieproductions.com/Mail_on_Sunday.html Animals flee the 2004 Indonesia tsunami: http://www.back2cradle.org/tsunami2.htm


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  • demise

    It is amazing how far behind the media and government officials are behind. If somebody yelled bomb in a crowded room, they would be the last to reach the door. Last year I heard the same report "fish contaminated, will reach the coast in weeks". Will I heard that same line again in 2015? What are they afraid of? Maybe it's when people are getting fed up with their lies and deception while cancer cases sky rocket and the ocean becomes unusable.


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