Navy Sailors: Frozen Fukushima steam blanketed ship; Crew suffered massive radiation doses, dozens have cancer — Calls for it to be sunk… still too radioactive; Navy: There’s some contamination, but it’s ok — Tepco: No way US officials would rely on information we were telling to public

Published: April 9th, 2014 at 5:49 pm ET
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AP, Apr 7, 2014: Nearly 80 U.S. sailors are [...] alleging [Tepco] lied about the high level of radiation in the area [and] repeatedly said there was no danger to the crew when they were actually being blanketed with radiation that has since led to dozens of cancer cases and a child being born with birth defects [Tepco] said that there was no way the commanders of the aircraft carrier would have relied on the utility [...] “It’s wholly implausible… military commanders in charge of thousands of personnel and armed with some of the world’s most sophisticated equipment, relied instead only on the press releases and public statements of a foreign electric utility co.”

Orange County Register, Apr. 6, 2014: Sailors on the flight deck said they felt a warm gust of air, followed by a sudden snow storm: radioactive steam. Freezing in the cold Pacific air. Blanketing their ship. And there they remained for two days, until [...] aircrews returning [from] near Sendai identified levels of radioactivity [and] the Navy ordered the carrier to reposition much farther away [...] the lawsuit contends, the crew had already suffered massive doses of radiation. [...] dozens have developed cancers, at least one has borne a child with birth defects [Their lawsuit is] raising very strange and disturbing questions: Could the Reagan – one of the most advanced nuclear aircraft carriers in the U.S. fleet – really not know that it was being showered with massive doses of radiation? [...] Some critics on the ecological front say the Reagan, now stationed in San Diego, is still so radioactive that it needs to be sunk. It floated around the Pacific for many weeks after the Fukushima humanitarian mission ended, as no Pacific Rim country would give it permission to dock. [It's] slated to move to a new home port this year. In Japan.

Navy spokesman Lt. Greg D. Raelson:  “Low levels of radioactive contamination did enter ventilation systems, which have numerous inaccessible areas difficult to perform radiological surveys and decontamination [...] there is no indication that any remaining minimal levels of radiation pose any adverse health concern. Radiological controls are in place to survey, control and remove remaining contamination”

U.S. sailors’ lawsuit: “[Those exposed to radioactive releases from Fukushima Daiichi] must now endure a lifetime of radiation poisoning and suffering which could have and should have been avoided” [TEPCO] lied through its teeth, knowing all along the plant was in full-scale meltdown [...] “rendered the plaintiffs infirm and poisoned their bodies.”

See also: Navy Officers on TV: "My body is falling apart" after Japan rescue mission, his right side "just didn’t work" -- Another "can no longer use his legs" and unable to urinate -- If 300 times normal radiation is OK, I don't know what to tell you

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145 comments to Navy Sailors: Frozen Fukushima steam blanketed ship; Crew suffered massive radiation doses, dozens have cancer — Calls for it to be sunk… still too radioactive; Navy: There’s some contamination, but it’s ok — Tepco: No way US officials would rely on information we were telling to public

  • wildandfree wildandfree

    So very tragic that our naval commanders were unable to or unwilling to protect the crew. This should never have been the case and I agree with TEPCO on one specific point (although I think them criminals), the US Navy would never rely on them to tell them about the situation. The carrier is a nuke powered vessel, the ship should have been alerted from its own on board warning systems. Something is not right.


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    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

      Tepco is trying to cast doubt upon the causal chain with the military response, as well as implicate the "politcal question" doctrine.

      Tepco still lied, they're just saying they think the Navy didn't listen to the lie and acted on its own. Should they still be liable for the lie?

      From a common sense perspective, should it matter? I don't know?

      Look at it another way, if the CEO of Tepco punches you in the face, and you're quick enough to see it coming, but you decide for whatever reason not to duck, does that mean it's your fault and you weren't assaulted?


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      • We Not They Finally

        Alaskan Ice, what explanation do you offer for the Navy shamefully and disgracefully and callously lying NOW? Blame TEPCO for a U.S. Navy that should be cleaned out from the top down? Blame TEPCO for the whole U.S. Navy? These were American servicemen, not Japanese, however disgracefully TEPCO has also acted.l

        TEPCO is liars. We all know that. But these were U.S. SERVICEMEN and the Navy doesn't seem to give a crap except to cover their own criminal asses.


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        • Tarangela Tarangela

          Of course they don't give a crap. I just retired myself from the Fed Govt., after a secret petition to Sen. Patty Murray, sent by our overworked Dr.s begging for help, stating we were killing people, we were rewarded by a hostile take-over and management became even worse. The Govt is (somehow) run by pockets of very stupid, pathological cretins who when hiring, clone themselves. They believe they own their little fiefdoms, and anyone comes along who has integrity gets targeted and pushed out. So they just STAY in "cover MY ass, protect MY fiefdom" mode.


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          • Starbird Starbird

            Tarangela, it is a psychopathic mindset that somehow see itself as separate from the masses – control freaks made insane by their power to dominate and corrupt absolutely.
            They breath the same poisons and will suffer the same fate as the rest of us, but having lost their connection to the Life Force, Death becomes their Master.


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      • name999 name999

        alaskan, US Sailors are not allowed to duck. It is their job and duty to do what they are told.


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        • name999 name999

          later, I meant to reference this exchange about how US service men and women can't duck.


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            That was my point, they can't duck. What's more, maybe the Captain felt he couldn't duck either once he'd been given his mission, who knows?

            Look, I'm not making excuses for leaders who fail to take care of their people. But, you're missing the big picture. If the Navy is the culprit, then Tepco is closer to being off the hook! More importantly, then the sailors might not get to sue anyone, because sailors can't sue the Navy in many instances. Perhaps that's why the lawyer is suing Tepco and not the Navy. I suppose the lawyer wants his plaintiffs to collect something besides just the right to file for VA disability down the line. . .

            If you want the sailors to get justice and you want the issue to be publicized rather than kicked under the rug, then cross your fingers and hope you're wrong about the Navy. . .


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            • Tarangela Tarangela

              I was sent to our Deployment Team, as I was the "fix it" weasel, and management has screwed the team up so badly we couldn't get these kids an apt for three months. My first three weeks there, 3 kids killed themselves. I wheeled and dealed and got it back in place (by breaking all the rules and ignoring management)I got these kids appts with Dr.s who were not even ON the team. On said Deployment team, I saw the myriad ways the Govt will happily screw these kids over after their eye is blown out, their legs are blown off. They don't care.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Apparently (from reading other articles) alarms DID go off. They were just not heeded.


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    • 300,000 Atomic Veterans Forcibly Exposed To Nuclear Radiation, Made Into Radioactive Lab Rats; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/02/300000-atomic-veterans-forcibly-exposed.html


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  • The US Navy and San Diego Chargers held a FOOTBALL CAMP on this ship for 100 kids in August of 2013 "post decontamination"

    http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Bolts-Hold-NFL-Play-60-Camp-on-USS-Ronald-Reagan/13c5189c-ba08-4cfd-8053-74eb90535a97


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  • http://www.straight.com/news/621051/fukushima-nuclear-plant-released-tiny-amount-plutonium-hot-particles-raise-concerns

    "tiny" amount of plutonium…………………tiny , itsy bitsy miniscule …. from an explosion of tons and tons of mox.
    whatever angle they go, its atomnicidal and genocidal for ANY to be "released".
    I hope there really is a hell for these psychopaths and sociopaths and muke pukes.


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    • Homo Insapiens Homo Insapiens

      Atomnicidal – super word, alreadyconsidered. You get 10/11ths of the credit, I only added the 'n' :-)


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    • wildandfree wildandfree

      Great word alreadyconsidereddead, we may also want to incorporate her decidicidal for making stupid choices and decisions which kill yourself and others. This would be a very good example and I am from a navy family. We are trying hard to not make bad choices, just don't think at it will help very much now.


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  • Dogleg Dogleg

    Anti-radiation belt’ developed by Israeli firm for nuclear emergencieshttp://rt.com/news/gamma-radiation-nuclear-safety-472/


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  • Bay Area Guy 2

    Wait a minute. Am I reading this correctly? Is TEPCO trying to say that the U.S. Navy, which came to its aid, would be at fault for (and these are my words) basically being stupid enough to believe what TEPCO was telling the public in Japan and around the world through its press releases? Please tell me I'm misreading or misinterpreting something because I think that just gave me a brain seizure. TEPCO is saying that no one should have relied on TEPCO's information…..TEPCO…..the people that were running the damn plant and were the only ones that would HAVE the most up to date information……said that someone else would be at fault for basing decisions on their information.

    Yep, my brain just seized up again.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Just another reason to shut down the entire Nuclear Industry via International Law and by all means for all us humans to finally realize we are all being lied too on a daily basis by the same people/authority we gave our sovereign powers too.. :(


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  • zogerke zogerke

    A couple months ago there was conversation on here about the tools on board the reagan ship to read radiation. context was about our outcry that officers got KI and privates/ lowly pay grades did not get KI. Someone posted on here about all the sophisticated rad reading eqpmt there: that the reagan, being a war ship equipped to respond to nuke conflict, could read very small amounts of radiation, identify signatures to determine threat to USA, etc- that being a radiation powered ship it is fully equipped to read radiation.

    I can't link back- no memory of when exactly- sorry– but clear memory of conversation.

    So Tepcos point is that the US military and brass knew, who are they kidding, so whose fault was it. I appreciate alaskan ice's metaphor of ducking the punch- true enough- but the reagan knew, had to know, though the enlisted folk did not.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Force anyone from the Navy who says there was no danger to take LIE DETECTOR TESTS, SHAME THEM PUBLICLY, RUN THEM OUT ON A RAIL. Sue the Navy out of existence for this, WHATEVER immunity from prosecution they claim.

    Make the U.S. Navy public spectacle no.l. Let them not have a moment's peace. Lock up those responsible for not protecting the sailors.

    Get veterans involved. Picket the crap out of Naval headquarters. Call them traitors and murderers. Close down all Navy recruiting offices until there is justice for these sailors. Demand to make the Secretary of the Navy accountable, or fire HIM.

    Too extreme? No. Dozens of cancers and deformed kids — THAT'S "too extreme"!!

    It's beyond the beyond that these kids (and most seem to have been quite young) were out there risking their lives for their country and they're getting THIS treatment by the Navy?


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    • mifhon

      Some of the enlisted sailors were concerned though they were told not to be. Check out this cartoon sent from the Reagan (3/20/2011) not so funny any more. linkinachain.blogspot.com


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      • Mack Mack

        Everyone, in case you didn't catch this, mifhon is a mother of a USS Ronald Reagan sailor.

        Read the letter she wrote to political reps and the response she received from her senator:

        http://linkinachain.blogspot.com/


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        • bo bo

          That is an amazing letter.
          Thank you – I am so sorry, mifhon, that your son had been on the ship and was exposed. We are all Japanese, and all USS Ronald Reagan.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Gee, one does not wash off something that is considered safe…radiation contamination must not be safe. :( Why are we still building, promoting Nuclear Power Plants if they are not safe?


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        • unincredulous unincredulous

          They don't give a shit about you, but want you to "Like" them on Facebook. Moronic behavior is all we can expect from those morons. They do not care for our sailors, soldiers at all. They are just tools to them. Personally I experienced some major disappointments as a veteran. I remember my exit dental exam. The dentist examined my teeth and said everything was fine. I left the office and, on the way out of the parking lot there looked at my teeth in my rear view mirror. The sun was in the perfect position to view my teeth. I easily saw a cavity on my FRONT tooth. I hadn't noticed it before. I don't take the best care of my teeth, and I had been busy on overseas deployments prior to that. I also was going through depression, although at the time I was in denial. I had some major stress factors at the time. All that is peripheral, but I look back on that experience and others. All in all, I see the volunteer military as a reason for out shitty economy. How else can they ensure "volunteers?"


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    • name999 name999

      I like the idea of going to naval recruiting places. That is doable and you could be very nice about it.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Does the US Navy's threat assesment wait for an email from the threat source? A tweet? Do they just wait for the you tube video?

    Granted it wasn't war time, but come on, the damage to the reactors was known immediately. Not how much, but it was known. Unit one blew right away. They were on their way to help when JNN showed unit 3 blow sky high.

    Sure Tepco is at fault, but I would hope our Navy is more on the ball than that…


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    • We Not They Finally

      Again, people, it is crazy, just morally wrong, to deflect blame from the Navy, WHATEVER TEPCO did.

      And the Navy STILL LIES. So let them be hauled up in front of Congress, from the Secretary of the Navy on down, and have them take public lie detector tests about what they knew about radiation exposure on that ship at that time.

      Not some brain-dead "I swear to tell the truth." PUBLIC LIE DETECTOR TESTS. You know, like you give to people accused of CRIMES. These people have achieved the class of CRIMINALS. Unless what? They are just fine hiding behind scores of cancers and the deformed child?

      Big brave Navy men are doing WHAT??? Interrogate the crap out of them publicly. But first the public lie detector tests.


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  • lest ye forget, the capt of the reagan at the time was given a promotion after returning to the states having fulfilled his obligation to sacrifice his sailors to the god of the navy,, neptune.
    neptunium:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptunium
    the atomic number of neptunium is 93, reversed 93 becomes 3 6's or 666. it is a satanic element meant to produce death via weapons of war.
    mock the connection if you think it is all hunky dory and unrelated coincedence. remember the quake happened on 3-11-11 or 322.
    322 is the number of the skull and bones of yale.


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  • InJapan

    The really sad thing is that here in Japan these sailors are being referred to as "parasites" and "scammers" by people who obviously believe that they have not suffered any radiation exposure. Most Japanese that I have spoke with seem not to know that the American military played any significant role in the Fukushima rescue operations. It has been completely downplayed or ignored by the Japanese media except for the occasional article which speaks of the US military mission in very oblique ways.


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  • GQR2

    All the propaganda pieces they made about the Bikini Islands show the damage done by Nuclear Radiation. They want it down the memory hole?
    Fat Chance! The effects are evident in the massive amounts of illness. The effects are and were known. Or is the world supposed to follow the gaping hole in the lack of logic the mental gymnastics they perform would be laughable if it weren't life and death.
    so the illogicality goes like this, That 3 Nuclear Melt Downs isn't the same kind of damage as a huge bomb? All the Nuclear Tests ever done were nothing like this..really?

    The military should have known they were lying? should have known they were lying. So they are saying this is the way it goes here on planet earth Nuclear Energy Companies,big Corporations are expected to be liars. Fascist much ? and who are they after? The process they unleashed will not be selective.


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  • http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Navy-Address-Residents-Concerned-About-Treasure-Island-Radiation–254625701.html

    lest anyone think the navy has any morals about exposing people to toxic waste. the dumped nuke feces on TI for decades, dumped it 30 miles off shore SF by the farralons for decades, dumped nuke waste by the shipload into the atlantic as well.

    I am not anti-navy, I am anti-nuke, anti-genocide. the USAF has its own history of not just careless but horrific handling of nukes and other nasties like agent orange that I was exposed to.


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    • name999 name999

      alreadyconsidered, sorry to hear you got experimented on. This link you posted is actually news.


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      • http://www.2ndbattalion94thartillery.com/Chas/AOChanute.htm

        14)Spine is seriously deteriorated and nerve channels calcified and pinching
        nerves
        15)Naturaly fused vertebrae in neck
        16)Neuropathy
        17)Fibro Myalgia
        18)Osteo Arthritis
        19)Rheumatoid Arthritis
        20)Insomnia
        21)Memory loss
        22) Severe recurring headaches

        on the other hand the recurring nightmares have dug up other wounds from long ago.

        to say i have contempt for the structures in place that made all this death possible, not to mention the needless suffering is too mild.

        worship of money and lies have decimated my home planet.
        I feel it is unreversable damage. lethal. extinction level events colliding like a warm / cold front spawns tornadoes.

        since 2006 my own life has been day to day suffering, the people causing this as living as kings, popes and presidents, ceo's, cfo's and moguls. fk them. fk them all.


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  • Foggyworld

    I was reading about Chernobyl earlier today and found that it is against international law for anyone to put nuclear waste in an ocean.


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  • razzz razzz

    The US knew what was going on, the question is why didn't they do anything about? Easier to kill people off that prevent their deaths.

    Interesting that TEPCO tells the US navy that they are stupid to believe anything TEPCO says. I think the captain of the USS RR was following orders from Washington. Can't believe the lack of communication between headquarters and their ships at sea was so bad that it left the fleet in harms way by accident (wasn't just the USS RR getting dusted). Then to sail around the ocean with hot ships making ports of call and pretending situation normal, a navy can't get anymore incompetent than that.

    They will have about as much luck decontaminating the USS RR as cleaning up WIPP or Daiichi or Chernobyl or Hanford or…


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  • GQR2

    The Sailors say they were misled.
    http://rt.com/usa/navy-fukushima-nuclear-radiation-504/

    It sure wouldn't be the first time. The Navy has quite a long history of every kind of lie known to human kind.


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    I wonder if the Reagan has had an effect on west coast starfish…?

    Wow, sitting in Sand Diego now…I can't imagine how the people of San Diego feel…having the Fukushima Poster-Child, Radioactive, Gamma-Ghost ship moored in their bay…

    Further…Duh, the u.s. military wasn't acting on Tepco's word, they did what they were ordered to do by military commanders…It looks to me the U.S. gov knew that Fuku popped…and knew Jap gov's lips would be tight…so they sacked a batch of "monitors"…putting up a bio-buoy…get their own data on what was released…

    It's also telling that Tepco is trying to say that it would be foolish for a military to base it's actions–regarding radiological matters–off of the garbage information they were feeding to the press (and the innocents directly effected)…which in this case was everyone.

    It's an admittal that the information given to the press was totally bogus, and no reasonable person or group would act on it.

    There are a lot of amazing women out there that acted on that garbage information, Tepco, and your 'product' has done them a grave dis-service

    'Newsers: Remember in the beginning, when the curtain dropped and all world governments were standing with their pants down?

    The curtain has been back up for a little while now…

    But none of them are wearing any pants.

    No one is running the ship.

    Iceberg, dead ahead.

    Purslane.


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    • name999 name999

      The Emperor Wears No Clothes, (I would say that)


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Sinking the USS Radioactive Reagan would be fitting, considering how Reagan failed to cooperate with Gorbachev to start eliminating nuclear weapons from the earth because he insisted on pursuing his beloved StarWars bullshit program. Now we're locked into this MAD Mutually Assured Destruction from NPPs (non productive plants, nuke poisoning plants) supplying nuclear material for all those warheads and producing waste that inevitably gets released into our living spaces. I would applaud any disappearance of the name Ronald Reagan from the public sphere, especially if it should go down to a watery grave to commemorate the sailors who were misled and injured in this one of many misadventures of the ultimate Fukushima travesty.


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      • Cisco Cisco

        Think of the symbolism for such an event! "Sinking the USS Radioactive Reagan would be fitting," The USS Ronald Reagan is another radiator, irradiating all those who board, those nearby, and some further away.

        In any case, the ship needs to be removed and put somewhere, as far from humans as possible.


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  • name999 name999

    What? US Navy has been doing radiation testing since the 1940's at least and has some of the most
    sophisticated equipment in the world.

    More crazy lying. Who could believe anything the US Navy says if they believe this?

    Who could entrust this much nuclear weaponry to a force that can't detect this gross radioactivity?


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  • Socrates

    Interesting legal issues presented in Tepco's Motion to Dismiss the First Amended Complaint. The FOIA documents showed that the NRC knew what was going on. Other documents released by the military tend to show that the avoidance of panic was the priority.

    The Fireman's rule means that rescuers such as firefighters cannot sue for negligence in creating the fire or else who would call the fire department? Tepco is being sued for failure to warn the Navy. The Navy allegedly knew full well. GE has a class action filed against it in New York.

    If nobody is legally culpable, we must make new law. No more subsidies or legal weasel holes. I am sure our worthy representatives will see to it that victims are compensated whether they are serving our country or whether they are just little kids. (Sarc).

    Also, the levels were allegedly too low. Right.


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    • name999 name999

      socrates, your legal knowledge gives me some hope of doing something in the courts.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      sounds like a make work program, to me. If there was any system of justice or credible law enforcement, we'd not have found ourselves where we are. We know the system's rotten to the core. Calling for justice from the very people who've made it their professional occupation to serve criminals is deceitful. The justice system only serves to preempt the peoples right to genuine redress for their losses and grievances. Time has long passed for anyone to question the validity of peoples justice. And if you're not prepared to accept the inherent responsibilities and consequences of becoming a bearer of true justice, then enjoy the cold gruel…


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      • Socrates

        The judge Janis Sammartino will have a lot of work to do.

        I would have added those defendants that designed, built and maintained the reactors. Without domestic defendants, the judge might rule that the injury happened in Japan. The law of the site of the injury might control. The forum for the lawsuit might be ruled to be Japan. These issues are raised in the Motion to Dismiss. Some issues will be decided on motions for summary judgment.

        I doubt that the judge will rule that the case is properly only brought in Japan if Tepco does business in the US.

        No lawsuits are without issues… but this one is going to tough.


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        • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

          Isn't her "political question" ruling the most controlling here?


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            Won't she likely just dismiss the case again on that same basis?

            Am I missing something or is this re-filed case just a done-deal, re-written to become a better appeal?


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            • Socrates

              With Japan dismissed, it is not a political question. The doctrine of "comity," choice of law, conflict of la, forum non conveniens, etc.

              The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is more progressive than most.

              If actual knowledge by the Navy is proved, that takes some of the wind out of the sails, if not all. lack of warning to the Navy would not have caused the alleged injuries if the Navy and NRC already knew.

              Judge Sammartino will possibly want to have some of these Motions presented as Summary Adjudication motions. One reason to deny the Motion to Dismiss one the ground that "it should have brought in Japan" is the notorious lack of a legal system capable of dispensing judgment in Japan in this case.

              Causation of injuries is an element that requires expert medical witnesses. Time will probably reveal more radiation effects, especially inhaled particles. Even in North America, there are miscarriages and childhood papillary thyroid cases with identifiable genetic damage only caused by radiation. As time goes on, this will become more evident, if only from an epidemiological standpoint.

              Just like eating a banana unless a terrorist uses radiation; then we must go to war. Nuke plants get a free pass. That is politics.


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              • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                @Socrates: you wrote "with Japan dismissed, it is not a political question" followed by paragraphs of irrelevant mumbo jumbo.

                Many of your posts seem heartfelt; on this post you seem deceptive.

                The political question is potentially implicated as long as the judiciary might have to criticize the executive branch, our executive branch, the navy, not the Japanese government. I suspect you already know that.

                But check it out:
                http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_question

                http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_question


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                • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                  If you examine the layperson's Wikipedia article, you will be reminded that many "political question doctrine" cases involve purely corporate defendants, much like the case against TEPCO. The issue is the navy.


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                • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                  The original case was dismissed for two reasons: the Japanese Government AND the "political question doctrine."

                  The complaint was re-written without the Japanese government as a defendant so that leaves the "political question doctrine" front and center.

                  Unless there's some new legal arguments presented or the Judge changes her mind, she's not likely to overrule herself; rather she's likely to dismiss the case again on the "political question doctrine" and then it goes to appeal.

                  At least this way the appeals court has to listen to the "political question doctrine" arguments instead of being able to affirm the dismissal based on the Japanese Government.

                  Is this your understanding?


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                  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                    It seems universally that the closer something is to one's livelihood, the harder it is to criticize. . .

                    . . .or even reveal if it seems dodgy.

                    I would draw an analogy between Nuke coverups but health is more important than legal rights, just barely.

                    One can enjoy health without legal rights but one cannot enjoy legal rights without health.


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  • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

    Leaving aside the argument of TEPCO claiming immunity for lying b/c the ship shouldn't have trusted them, and also ignoring for now the idea that the Navy's failure to protect its personnel…

    Wouldn't you expect an amazingly expensive floating city that is built for the purpose of being in a war – a nuclear war, even – to have HEPA filters for the entire ventilation system? I naively always assumed that the interior of nuclear aircraft carriers, with all those bulkheads and seal-able doors (the ones with the impressive locking wheels)…could seal itself off against the outside.

    Who knew our most impressive war machines were so vulnerable to dirty bombs?


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  • 4Warnd 4Warnd

    I know that you mean well and your point is well taken and appropriate.

    But I do have to think about this phrase "our most impressive war machines."

    These things are impressive, regretfully, and also monstrosities.


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    • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

      I toured several some years back, as friends and relatives had joined the Navy. They truly are war machines. They also truly are impressive. The sheer size, the seeming clockwork organization & procedure, the sheer amount of damage they can do, and once all that sinks in, the mind-staggering amount of money the cost. Not only to build, but to run, per hour or even minute. The last time I was on one I think was in Alemeda. Within 5 minutes of leaving, I was driving through a poverty struck section of town. Once back on the freeway, the radio was reporting about budget shortfalls.

      But we can destroy & rebuild in our image any *other* nation we choose, so it's worth it, right?


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  • Mack Mack

    Enformable.com posted a FOIA document from March 15, 2011, regarding the Admiral trying to get dosimeters for the USS Reagan.

    Some interesting points in the doc and keep in mind this was on March 15, 2011:

    (1) The USS Reagan only had 50 dosimeters on board
    (2) They were having to estimate what the individual doses were
    (3) The DoD was having an isotopic analyzer sent over to the Ronald Reagan
    (4) They were willing to subject the airmen to up to 1000 millirems or more a day
    (5) The DOE had a 35-member response team at Fukushima who had dosimeters and KI pills
    (6) The NRC had an 8 member team at Fukushima that had dosimeters and KI pills
    (7) USAID DART had approx. 150 members in Japan
    (8) FEMA had a task force over there
    (9) USAR had a task force over there
    (10) The above teams were outside 30 km of the plant
    (11) OSHA requires people who are working and exposed to radiation to be monitored. OSHA requires them to have dosimetry
    (12) Onagawa was considered “a reactor of concern”
    (13) Evacuation at 5 rem and thyroid meds at 25 rem
    (14) The CDC is responsible for population monitoring after an event

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/217112211/Pages-From-C147216-02X-March-15th-2011-Navy-Tried-to-Get-Dosimeters-for-All-Sailors-on-USS-Ronald-Reagan-After-Fukushima-Disaster

    http://enformable.com/2014/04/march-15th-2011-navy-tried-get-dosimeters-sailors-uss-ronald-reagan-fukushima-disaster/


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    • Socrates

      That answers the question: "What did the Navy know and when?"

      It is a real hot potato between, Japan, Tepco, the NRC, the Navy, GE, Ge-Toshiba. This litigation will go on for years just between some of these players. A class action has been filed in New York. Just like the radiation, it will not go away for thousands of years. Unlike the BP case, the POTUS will not suggest that Tepco pay out 20 – 30 billion. Maybe 20 – 30 trillion would help.

      Nukes are the preferred weapon and the money was already invested in uranium. Unless citizens unite, their collective gooses will be cooked.


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  • if mere possession of plants is a offense against humanity that regularly results in prison terms of decades and even executions, you would think that possession of a nuclear device or a few thousand of them by many nations would be fitting for the elimination of a species that condones it.
    or not.

    either way we are reaping what we have sown.


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  • elkabong elkabong

    UNBELIEVABLE!!! i have never been a huge psi-fi fan, except when i was like 5 (star trek, godzilla, the twilight zone) but every time i read the articles on this site, it's like WTF???
    …The US Navy and San Diego Chargers held a FOOTBALL CAMP on this ship for 100 kids in August of 2013 "post decontamination"
    is this shit for real? i have to go before my freaking head explodes!!! hmm, head explodes, i'm strangely comfortable with the thought.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    I can imagine if only a little bit the suffering of the USS Reagan crew, after 15 months post surgery from my own horrible cancer issues. Fighting a nuclear disaster and not using monitoring is a bit odd.


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  • Sol Man

    It seems that too many are in a trance of their choosing. Perhaps in an effort to avoid the very bad news everywhere.

    Can hope exist when tptb has sold out our collective future?


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  • rogerthat

    '' [Tepco] said that there was no way the commanders of the aircraft carrier would have relied on the utility [...] “It’s wholly implausible… military commanders in charge of thousands of personnel and armed with some of the world’s most sophisticated equipment, relied instead only on the press releases and public statements of a foreign electric utility co.”

    This is a cosmic joke. A self-confessed congenital liar says its lies are too ridiculous to be believed by intelligent, informed people, yet everyone continues to pretend that all the guff they report is a true and accurate account. We must have all escaped from the funny farm.


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  • Radio Radio

    I think we are seeing the new mantras, which always go together – "safe low dose radiation" and "all radiological releases are low dose." There are many different ways of saying it – dispersal, dilution, low dose, background, bananas, chest x rays, alpha particle, won't pass through paper, too minute to detect, etc. It has been hammered into people's minds for so long that they tend to no longer question it.


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    • Radio Radio

      The culture built around the discovery of radiation glorified it from everything like digestive aids to colon cleansers. That never stopped. It persisted, was encouraged by military and industry and is so deeply ingrained in the minds of most that if radiation doesn't come from a bomb, then it isn't harmful. I think this is one of their reasons to try and prove the explosions of the reactors were from hydrogen build up rather than Arnie Gundersen's still shunned theory that reactor 3 was a nuclear detonation. But nearly everyone i know is afraid of radiation on the one hand and also believes that in low doses, it is harmless. They know this because their doctors and dentists told them it was true because the medical field, woefully trained in diagnosis, suddenly had a way to make their jobs easier – they could just look inside!


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  • kombear

    Lots have been said about the USS Ronald Reagan and those who were victimized by radiation exposure whilst on what has been officially described as a "relief mission." I have wondered what exactly that mission was. There was talk of the sailors even having to "get down into the water to help." But where are the pictures? Where are the statements from and interviews with grateful local citizens? Have I missed something or what? My suspicion is that the USS RR was probably not engaged in a humanitarian mission to save the direly endangered local people. Rather, I suspect they were sent to urgently remove material and objects of an internationally incriminating nature. The men and women who were sent to do this would have been under orders to keep silent, on pain of this or that. But given the way they have been treated, how they have been dismissed as human throwaways, I think there may be a possibility for the emergence of a whistle-blower. Of course, such a person would be under mortal threat, but if his or her life has already been ruined, maybe the real story will come out.  


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  • Nick

    Pentagon desk guy: Hey Joe, we are getting high rad readings from your ship.

    Joe (on USS RR): Really? Oh, that's what that clanging bell means.

    PDG: Well, tell ya what, keep her there till I say otherwise.

    Joe: But the rads?

    PDG: Looks like your are safe for the time being.

    Joe: Um, my watch just stopped.

    PDG: What?

    Joe: Hold on, I gotta check in with a helicopter pilot.

    PDG: K

    Joe: UMMM. The mechanic checking the heli says he is getting a rad reading of 100 seiverts or some such. Hey cool, it's starting to snow.

    PDG: The instrument probably needs recalibrating.

    Joe: Just back from a neat snow=ball fight.

    PDG: Ummm, how's about you go offshore 100 miles and scrub down.

    Joe: Why?

    PDG: Classified…..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    It went down.. in a more pathetic way…

    Radiation Scans
    Jan 28 2012

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6Sy1cNgXo


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  • Cisco Cisco

    The sailors needn't worry. Compassionate conservatism will assure that they are well taken care of. Hey, the conservatives always support the troops, just check your official US history.

    Is this a great country or what!


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  • Nick

    I give us two years before enough people realize our future has been destroyed.

    I ain't being pessimistic, just realistic.

    In 2016, the US presidential election ain't really gonna matter that much.


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  • sludge7051-x

    What happened to the USS Ronald Reagan from the Fukushima radiation release?

    Hanford Site: West
    Coast Radiation Crisis, Part 3

    Carrier Row, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bremerton, Washington, where the Fukushima-contaminated USS Ronald Reagan was refitted over an 18-month period.

    http://2knowabout.blogspot.com/2013/05/what-happened-to-uss-ronald-reagan-from.html


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  • Some relevant headlines from the very earliest days of the disaster in 2011 (3/14/2011)

    NEWS ADVISORY: Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor fully exposed for about 2.5 hours: agency
    http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

    "Japanese officials are playing down any health risk, but the US said it had moved one of its aircraft carriers from the area after detecting low-level radiation 100 miles (160km) offshore."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12729138

    "Fukushima No. 2 reactor's fuel rods fully exposed, melting feared"
    http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77870.html

    US helicopters and ships are moving away from Japanese coast because of "low level" radiation. Yah, sure….
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/USaircraftcarrierreportedlysailsintoradioactivecloud/2011/03/14/id/389345


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  • Sickputer

    Three questions of interest:

    Which admiral would dare to rec


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  • Sickputer

    Sorry…try again:

    What admiral would dare to recommend sinking the $5 billion USS Ronald Reagan?

    Who among any of the US politicians would allow their children to serve on the stricken ship?

    Will anyone in the Pentagon own up to the fact their most advanced war ship was destroyed by a commercial nuclear reactor disaster?

    Anyone? Don't be shy.


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  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    Frozen Fukushima Steam…so this is no-doubt radioactive steam that has been frozen. Would being radio-active cause the frozen particle to hold more COLD? This seems to be what happened in Oregon this last winter at times. The ice fog had a more bone chilling quality to it. Or maybe it was bone-penetrating…


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