NBC: Head of radiation testing program on West Coast says Fukushima plume could threaten ecosystems — The effect on marine life? “We don’t know, whatever is in the kelp will get in bodies of those animals also” (VIDEO)

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NBC Los Angeles, Mar. 6, 2014: California Researchers Embark on “Kelp Watch 2014″ — Experts say contamination levels won’t be high enough to harm humans but can’t say the same for the ecosystem kelp supports [...] CSULB Professor Dr. Steven Manley said [...] he does not not believe the contamination levels expected in the kelp will be high enough to be harmful to humans, but he couldn’t say the same for the ecosystem the kelp supports. “The levels we project we’re going to see in kelp are going to be quite low,” he said. “But the effects on simpler forms of wildlife we don’t know. Whatever is in the kelp will get into the bodies of those animals also.” [...] “It can serve as a warning that these materials that get released thousands of miles away can find a way across the oceans,” Manley said of the kelp. [...] Results from Thursday’s samples are expected to be ready in May.

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  • NBC Reporter: Researchers say whatever contamination level they find in this kelp, if any, it won’t be high enough to be harmful to humans.
  • Dr. Manley: It’s certainly not harmful to humans. The effect on simpler forms of marine life? We don’t know. So whatever is in the kelp will get in the bodies of those animals also.

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97 comments to NBC: Head of radiation testing program on West Coast says Fukushima plume could threaten ecosystems — The effect on marine life? “We don’t know, whatever is in the kelp will get in bodies of those animals also” (VIDEO)

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    "Experts say contamination levels won’t be high enough to harm humans but can’t say the same for the ecosystem kelp supports."

    Is that harm to humans before, or after the adjusted "accepted amounts"?

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    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      Obviously these people are not Buddhists or even good scientists and still think of people as not quite a part of nature. Where were they educated. Or is the product of the usual corrupting gov?


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        Capt:
        A paradigm shift is relevant here.
        Academia is better modeled as a fundamentalist religion vs system of higher education.

        Where these people were educated does not matter: the net effect of 10+ years of college, learning more and more about less and less by default leaves them with a rather compartmentalized thought process and world view.

        Spend long enough focusing on very specific area of study and it is very easy to lose sight of any perception of "the big picture".

        Designing car engines does not mean that one knows how to drive a car, nor does it even imply that one knows what traffic is.

        Scientists and engineers are not known for having or wanting a comprehensive understanding of the world around them. It is just the nature of that sub-culture.

        I have been in immersed in it for nearly 40 years now and my interest in "the big picture" and "all things connected" has raised many an eyebrow.

        Bringing up a comprehensive view of the world in technical circles will get you written off as new age hippy tree hugger liberal very quickly. And you will likely be permanently ignored after that.

        Many of the great concepts in physics were ridiculed at first.
        Many had careers ruined because of presenting an idea that went contrary to established beliefs.
        Yet many were eventually vindicated.

        I guess my point is that Dr. Manley just doesn't get it that bioaccumulation applies to all living things.
        For many, it is a very hard concept to adapt to.


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    • tooktheredpill tooktheredpill

      Surely….WE ARE part of the ecosystem that the kelp supports, when you consider any food chain as an exponential part of any 'ecosystem'??

      or am I missing something?


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    "won’t be high enough to harm humans" of course not. That was a foregone conclusion and did not even need any tests to demonstrate. When it comes to biological matters very little research is needed and can even be decided by big business. When it comes to weapons and space technology billions are hardly enough to find out the facts. If you are like me you probably find this a bit surprising given how complex organism are. That just shows that an MBA is a handy asset.
    Now the USA is down to 50th in infant mortality rate, it will be hard to determine if radiation is harming the fetus or not. Then there is the fluoridated water, the 30 to 40 vaccinations . . . really any of these things could be the killer not to mention the GMO's that pregnant mommy ate. So I guess we are not going to let a few hot particles in kelp deter America and its destiny among the stars. The folks in Carlsbad just need to go with the flow and not worry; and that advice goes doubly for CA.


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Science and research are about data and findings. Predictions without data and science are what crystal balls and fortune tellers are for.

    Shills like Manning aren't scientists, they are the new snake oil salesmen.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      Science and research are about data and findings. Predictions without data and science are what crystal balls and fortune tellers are for.

      Shills like Manley aren't scientists, they are the new snake oil salesmen.


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    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      "Results from Thursday’s samples are expected to be ready in May."

      They are sending it to Berkley to get the proper spin.

      As they should, to avoid any 'statistical variance' from other samples being collected.

      I am getting dizzy from all of the spin, and so glad it will take 2 months to come to any conclusion. It will give me time to recover from the nausea these doctors of demise purvey.


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  • jec jec

    WE DONT KNOW? Fukushima radiation has done harm ecosystem? DEAD ecosystem with loss of major part of all seastars, sea urchins, scallops, fish species missing(herring, some salmon stocks)..sick and dead seals, sick and dead sealions, sick polar bears, dea and dying seabirds/eagles…PLUS mass migrations of large marine species..

    Have I gotten it wrong? Do these people have ANY radiation test data from US monitoring/Canadian monitoring to make that statement? WE DONT KNOW? The largest marine die offs on the West Coast USA..and we just 'dont know?' Governments so far have proved its not a virus, or anything they have tested for..all negative to explain the deaths of species. The one thing NOT tested for..radiation..and after three years..some of the evidence is long gone..


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  • tsfw tsfw

    More verbal diarrhea. They will never come out and say they are responsible for millions of cancers and the death of the ocean and possibly worse. Will never happen.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    This material is generated for the dummies. It can not bear the scrutiny of any intelligent . . . grade schooler? I know by the time I was in junior high I would have been discomforted by these "reports". I was a little bit of a terror to the family over questionable reasoning and rationalizations which is one reason I enjoyed becoming an adult.
    Fortunately I was incorrigible and never lost my interest in the facts and the truth. Also it has proved valuable to retain self respect. No wonder psych drugs are so popular. It must be very degrading to lie to mothers and their babies. To peddle poison after getting a degree at a prestige university at $60k/year. An investment in infamy!


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  • Shaker1

    Hmmm…I guess I've been under a delusion that I'm part of the ecosystem. My mistake…


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    • GQR2

      yeah me too. NBC = Non Stop BS Channel


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    • TruthSeeker TruthSeeker

      I guess these big shot scientists never heard of the "Food Chain" nor do they seem to understand we are are a part of that, siting at the apex!

      And with all their education they seem to have forgotten the processes involved with "Bio Accumulation" or is that to big a word and leap of understanding for these pea brain carbon forms…


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      • atomicistheword

        The problem with good science is that a negative outcome seems to result in "poof" the data disappears into the vaults that require large sums of monies to access. The elite that fund this research only want value based results. Nothing to interfere with the process of acquisition of wealth, at whatever cost. It doesn't matter if it extincts our/their civilisation.

        The scientist is employed to say nice things only.

        Truth as revealed in this very bizarre atomic radiation saga and rife in the potions industry.


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        • atomicistheword

          additional… Man has lost his contact with nature and as such has lost his ability to understand the delicate balances within it. The lowest in the kingdom to the highest in the food chain, all required for life. Atomic radiation sneeking up the food chain to bring joy to those whom have had their contact disconnected.

          Morally criminal.


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        • humptydumpty humptydumpty

          Many in the scientific community live in an ECHO system that begins with dicta from on high. They aren't really human, just like the financiers and politicians.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Just like the land that is uninhabitable, the incredibly toxic poison has contaminated the ocean as well, yet poses no statistical threat to humans. You know, its one thing to SAY that multiple china syndrome meltdowns/explosions are completely safe, but its another for the mass public to buy it. Of what use is it to implore buffoons to consider reason?


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  • GQR2

    NBC just keeps topping itself. How can one part of the ecosystem be destroyed by radiation in the water air and soil not be harmful to humans. Where do they think we live. We live in the ecosystem. Good Lord.
    The double talk can make a person sea sick.


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  • jec jec

    DOE/WIPP is using TWITTER to announce progress and status..just got the update. And from http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=12516

    They are right on the ball! At twitter speed..


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  • Pete

    I was talking with a very intelligent retired scientist the other day and he said the real reason why no organizations or colleges are admitting there is a problem with radiation is because the government wont acknowledge it.

    If the top dog don't say so, it ain't so. The gov is the only one with the money to do any of the real testing it requires, and so no college or institute is going to dispute that or rock the boat because its academic suicide.

    He thought it was hopeless since the Gov is so invested in nuke and they are hoping that the next kimye story/obamacare scandal will make the people forget about those bad invisible things they cant prove. Well that was my words but his point and I think he is right.


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  • jump-ball jump-ball

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

    How about if a few groups, each of say 10-20-30 Geiger-equipped good men and women, undertake to do local-area all day testing in their respective regions, on sections of west coast beach, on the kelp, on the black sand, on San Joaquin broad-leaf vegetables and pistachios, around Hanford and now WIPP, on and around mountain river run-offs, and around local rain and snow?

    Then, gathering, summarizing and PUBLICLY REVEALLING THEIR VERIFIED CONTAMINATION PATTERNS AND READINGS to the otherwise sanitized and silent corporate press, might be the quickest and most effective way TO SHUT UP THE NEVER-ENDING CACOPHONY OF GOV'T-CORPORATE-EDUCATIONAL FASCIST PRO-NUKE B.S.

    The new Geiger-Mueller-Scintillator wielding Vigilantes.


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  • Jebus

    How much of the population directly eats kelp?

    How much of the population eat's creatures that directly eat kelp?

    See how that directly counters the statement below?

    "he does not not believe the contamination levels expected in the kelp will be high enough to be harmful to humans, but he couldn’t say the same for the ecosystem the kelp supports"


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    We must bend over and take much, much more… :( Some form of lube is still advised…


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    • Definitely. Bending, however, is much easier if you are spineless. Thus throwing all your principles overboard and selling your sould and conscience on the black market is a tempting option, I guess (and let's not forget you can easily make 10% per year by investing the money into Halliburton preference shares).

      An the other hand, contortionists are definitely in an advantageous situation as well. Lucky us… just wait a little longer, and once the Strontium has unfolded its full effect, bending or bones (or breaking, if it helps) will be a piece of cake. What would we do without nuclear ?


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    • Apart from that: the nukists will not allow for using lube. They only get their kicks when doing it bare-back, full-risk, blood-style.

      [Wow ! I kind of instantly feel better now that I wrote this. Amazing... :-) ]


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  • jackassrig

    FUKU is a gigantic ceiling. The air is being lifted from the ground level into the upper atmosphere. The air is hot and moving upward. How many years will it take for FUKU to completely exchange the air in the atmosphere. The jet streams will aid the mixing. Then everything will be compromised.


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  • jackassrig

    FUKU is a gigantic ceiling fan.


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  • Socrates

    It's a big in vivo experiment to determine whether contaminating the Western Pacific Ocean will contaminate the Eastern Pacific Ocean. The theory of dilution is federal policy on most toxic substances. Raising permissible limits and arguing that exposures are within permissible limits does not make 137Cs safe.

    Kelp bioaccumulates 137Cs. There will be 90Sr and other radionuclides. It will take years of study.

    The government is subsidizing and promoting nuclear energy. It is unlikely that the government wants to fund studies at universities to discredit nuclear power that it has committed to promote already, especially since mortality and morbidity will not show up for years.

    In the past 65 years, this has been very consistent. This President announced that there was no public health threat immediately after 3-11. That pronouncement is unlikely to change.


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      Socrates, do you know if there is educational material available to show in schools for example ? All I can do here within my limitations is to raise awareness. This must include schools and must begin with educating the teachers. I wonder if anybody has contacts to someone who could make an animated educational movie for kids age 12 to 16. At the same time getting a spokesperson for Teens in the boat – a celeb like Pink. I cannot do this alone and may be someone here feels called into pursuing those topics. I am already in touch with a friend who owns an international photo press agency to get in touch with celebrities. But for them too well prepared easy to understand information material is needed. . .


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  • Jebus

    Anyone else notice the Carl's Jr. ads.

    Flame broiled Atlantic Cod? On the west coast?

    What happened to the Great Pacific Cod?

    Must be genetically evolving and getting harder to catch.

    It's the extra fins and eyeballs that make them faster…


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    • tinfoiled tinfoiled

      I remember Arby's was advertising an 'Alaskan Fish Sandwich' a few months back.


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    • atomicistheword

      Jebus

      "What happened to the Great Pacific Cod?"

      No problem, just grind it up and feed it to the hens and cows. Plenty of dollars to be made yet. Grind the kelp and flog it off as fertilizer. No scientific results needed there. Sad people lacking conscience. You are born without wealth and you leave the same way. Trans-humane loonacy.


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  • McJillin McJillin

    Hello very good people of ENE. Posted about a month ago for first time, but then broke bone in right hand, so it's hard to type. Just waned to say there are lots of things happening in San Francisco next week, starting tomorrow. Here is the web site: nonukesaction.wordpress.com to find out more. Keep up the good work; you are a safe harbor in a sea of insanity. Thank you for being here.


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    • Sparky Sparky

      Hi McJillin, Sorry to hear about your hand injury. Hope it heals well. Thanks for the info and link to SF events. I'll send to loved ones in that area.

      And yes, thank goodness for Enenews! Today I tried to speak w/a colleague about the triple (known) disasters underway (Fuku, WIPP, Wanapum dam), and that cut short an otherwise productive and easy conversation. Oh well! Good to share with Enenewsers–they actually understand and care.

      Keep posting if not too uncomfortable.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Massive die-off of oysters and scallops in Pacific Northwest


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  • rogerthat

    ''Experts say contamination levels won’t be high enough to harm humans''
    Good grief, harm humans? Perish the thought. The Ronald Reagan stood directly off Fukushima in a radioactive miasma for months; everyone on board ate, breathed, drank, touched, wallowed in radiation, and they weren't harmed; in fact, they were so not harmed that there is no program that even monitors their health. Doesn't everyone know by now, there is no level of radiation that can harm humans. Only 60 died from Chernobyl, says the International Atomic Energy Agency, and that was probably a statistical aberration – Russians, you know, they all drink vodka, accidents are bound to happen. Nobody's died in Japan from the utter destruction of four fully grown nuclear power plants and their spent fuel pools. So why people should worry about seaweed five thousand miles away, good grief Charlie Brown, get a life, go and do something useful.


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    CSULB Professor Dr. Steven Manley said [...] he does not not believe the contamination levels expected in the kelp will be high enough to be harmful to humans, but he couldn’t say the same for the ecosystem the kelp supports. “The levels we project we’re going to see in kelp are going to be quite low,” he said. “But the effects on simpler forms of wildlife we don’t know. Whatever is in the kelp will get into the bodies of those animals also.”

    So then Manley has his PhD in economics? Political science? I imagine someone in a biological area would realize that most humans don't eat a lot of kelp. Dr. Manley seems unfamiliar with the subject matter. Maybe psychology?


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  • McJillin McJillin

    Sparky, thank you for the well wishes. The hand is in a cast, so no pain. Two weeks to go, hopefully.


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  • Kelp off of Long Beach California was heavily contaminated with radioiodine from fallout-laden rain in spring 2011 . The first link contains the data:

    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/stranded-sea-lions-in-southern.html

    Contamination is going to increase as the longer lived radioisotopes from hot rain welcome the ocean plume of cesuim, strontium, etc just arriving. The second link provides the data on why that plume is going to persist and worsen across time:

    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/will-fukushima-daiichi-kill-vast.html


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    • Socrates

      Majia,

      Agreed.

      After about 1,000 days following the loss of coolant events at Fukushima in March of 2011,
      the issue becomes more of Strontium 90 under the model proposed by the German study where there was a meltdown adjacent to a large body of water. The Cesium 134/137 initially predominates, but then Strontium 90 becomes the predominant radionuclide.

      This is different than what happened at Chernobyl, which was more land-based.

      I have suggested that testing of milk and a resumption of the fairy tooth studies would be required to adequately measure the Strontium 90. The kelp studies will not accomplish that.

      Testing for Strontium 90 runs about $450 per glass of milk. I suspect that we will soon approach or surpass the levels seen during above-ground testing.

      Children require large amounts of calcium for growth of bones and teeth. Some private studies following 3-11-11 in Canada and the US have demonstrated elevated Strontium 90. The government should test and reveal the results annually for the next twenty years.


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    • Aloha, spring is coming, and ready to grow my own food.


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  • Chief

    This radiation is already killing sea life and mammals. Just because we don't see humans dropping dead or turning to slim does not make this acceptable.

    Seals, bear, fish have shown outward signs of radiation sickness. I have a healthy respect for radiation. I was a Navy technician and worked around this stuff. When I began to see that the event was not contained, I stopped eating any fish.

    BP and the gulf disaster stopped me from eating shellfish. Now the land is screwed too. Well, I have my P100 mask and filters.


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    Coverage for this story seems to me to be unusual as far as timing and it takes a lot of airtime
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  • mairs mairs

    I've scuba dived in the kelp forests off of Catalina. They're so beautiful. It's like flying through an otherworldly landscape.


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  • Sol Man

    What is the basis for the behavior that has resulted in these death programs? Tempted to say self-hate, projected, but realize that it is way beyond that. Since there are two ways to approach life, through either love or fear, I think that it is fear of all of creation, and a human's normal approach to creativity applied to life's conundrums that continually crop up; so creaphobia, if we can coin the term here.

    Why so much deep fear at such a visceral level, where all that is projected is hate? It may be a defect in the master plan,


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      I found the answer and I am not delusional. The answer lies within the human body as a biological map of evolving consciousness. If you want to know I am willing to share. Drop me a note here: devmani1204@gmail.com


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        A Conundrum? :(
        Here I have an 11 day old premie lamb that I am trying to save and her name is Codi. I have spent many hours with her, bottle feeding her, and walking her and paying special attention to her, on about every 2 to 4 hours, as she requires, very little sleep these past days. I introduce her back to the herd on daily basis and her siblings, which she has 2 and of course her mother. I now have one large male and three birthing females, Codi's mom had quadruplets, 1 died and 1 is Codi, 1 had twins, 1 had a single lamb. The father Boboson is the Ram and the father of all the lambs born.

        The mother rejects Codi out right and the other females push her away violently which is very poor mothering behavior. All of Codi's siblings embrace and love her. One day I place Codi over the fence and she is alone and fearful and I watch in amazement as Boboson walks over very slowly and gently nudges Codi so that she would go near to play with all the other baby lambs and not be alone.

        The father understood the problem clearly and the females were and are still clueless. :(

        Do all these females need to be initiated is my next question?

        The father Boboson certainly gets it. ;)


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          The Conundrum above needing to be answered is for Homolumina.. :)


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          • Homolumina Homolumina

            Hi Obewan !

            You crack me up. But I can say that I do not understand the nature of sheep well enough to make a judgement in any regard. I know they are herd animals and that implies certain behaviors that are part of their natural, instinctual make up. The process of initiation is inherent in the natural make up of human males, it is not my fault, lol, but it is as it is, and all native cultures have and still do initiate their males – they follow the physical underlying structures in doing that. But of course you only see it when you know what to look for. Things that are not questioned are never discovered… Interestingly the Sperm Whales follow the same pattern and have their young males initiated. Before that they are not allowed to reproduce…


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              :) Drove down the highway the other day and was stopped by some very big intrusive ugly toll booth asking for $5.00, and then when I saw all the idiots having to come to a stop after cruising 65+ miles per hour and burn more fossil fuels waiting in line and waste their lives… I thought of the concept of herds. Since .87¢+ of every gallon of gas is tax for roads and a bridge is just another extension of the term road, I mentally screamed in pain for all the herd present. :(

              Pretty sure all herd animals need to be initiated both male and female.. :)

              Ergo: Humans must be/are simply herd animals too! Ba, ba, ba


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  • Nick

    You can't threaten an ecosystem and expect to get off scott free.

    All of life is interwoven on our vibrant planet.

    Fukushima is a blight.

    Nuclear weapons and energy production is a blight.

    To fight this blight we must open our eyes.

    Only when enough people SEE what is happening will any semblance of sanity creep in.

    Until then, we are a bunch of morons.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, our intrusion into/with Nuclear Power along with so many, many other wrongs has certainly created a human caused blight for all biological life residing on this planet we call Earth… :(

    Most species here scream in pain… :(


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  • 4truth

    Is there any information about eggshell thinning, for instance in domestic birds like chickens?

    Is there any information about eggshell thinning, for instance, in domestic birds like chickens?

    The first condor egg laid this season in Big Sur, California, was found crushed, and the article states that it was "likely" due to eggshell thinning caused by DDT because condors "regularly munch on sea lion carcasses."

    But what about contamination from radioactive substances in those dead sea lions? Could that affect the production of shells?

    http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_25292025/first-wild-condor-egg-season-crushed


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Sure could..good catch! :)


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