NBC News: ‘Biblical devastation’ from Fukushima disaster, says former official — TV: “When I was mayor, I knew many people who died from heart attacks… many people in Fukushima died suddenly, even young people… Tepco employees also are dying, but everyone is keeping mum about it” (VIDEO)

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NBC News, Apr. 22, 2014 — Terry Tamminen, former secretary of the California Environmental Protection Agency: Chernobyl and Fukushima have demonstrated that although nuclear accidents are rare, when they do occur, the cost and devastation is biblical (according to the U.N., $235 billion for the former and as much as twice that for the latter). Moreover, we’ll live with the toxic waste, even from the power plants that function normally, for generations with no viable way to neutralize or safely store it, meaning we’re risking the lives of our kids and grandkids for “cheap” power today.

Katsutaka Idogawa, former mayor of Futaba in Fukushima Prefecture, April 21, 2014: “When I was mayor, I knew many people who died from heart attacks, and then there were many people in Fukushima who died suddenly, even among young people. [...] TEPCO employees also are dying. But everyone is keeping mum about it.”

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  • We Not They Finally

    Why does Terry Tamninem say that nuclear power is "cheap"? Nuclear power never has been, never will be "cheap." He's billions and billions and billions of dollars off.

    If they start with a base of lies, who ever gets to tell the truth? Well, the Japanese mayor, anyway. We SO want him to get more air time.


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    • JKBK

      I think he is comparing with how long a nuclear can be used and then becomes waste that has to be taken care for hundreds of thousand of years. So in that sense nuclear is cheap at first but later becomes expensive. Ultimately if there is no solution found to neutralise nuclear waste all nuclear plant or waste storage facilities are doomed to collapse. Michio Kiko calls this Faustain Bargain.


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      • NondiPloom

        Aren't you forgetting the environmental cost of mining the uranium and 'refining' it and the cost of the nuclear plants? To the best of my knowledge there's nothing cheap about nuclear.


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        • VanneV VanneV

          +10000000000. And the mining and processing costs are skyrocketing over the next 2 to 5 years. Uranium sources are finite and the cheapest sources have already been used up. Most of the ore mined has very tiny amounts of uranium.


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          • Ah yes, uranium mines:

            Clean Up “America’s Secret Fukushima”, The US Abandoned Uranium Mines (AUMs)

            National Campaign. Earth Day Actions at Mt. Rushmore & Cheyenne River Expose Toxic Threats
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/clean-up-americas-secret-fukushima/5378869

            "Clean Up The Mines! volunteers from across the country toured abandoned mines this week. They donned hazardous materials suits at Mount Rushmore and carried a large banner to raise awareness of the 169 AUMs in the Southwestern Black Hills near Edgemont. There are another 103 AUMS in the Northwest corner near Buffalo. The Northern Great Plains Region of Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota contains more than 3,000 AUMs.

            In Riley Pass, one of the largest AUMs in South Dakota, the deadly effect of the mine was apparent. As the group approached the bluff, the tree line ended abruptly at the edge of the mine. At Ludlow, the group measured radioactivity with a Geiger counter at an elementary school playground that was 44 microrems/hour. This is the equivalent of more than 150 Counts Per Minute (CPM), over the 100 CPM threshold, which means it cannot be attributed to background radiation. During the tour, people from every community spoke of health problems related to uranium exposure and their high level of concern over the lack of information about the AUMs and action to remediate them."


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        • VanneV VanneV

          Nor recent good news about Bill Gates' mad scientists:

          “…One danger of using sodium, however, is that it reacts violently when it’s exposed to air or water….”
          http://www.technologyreview.com/news/424824/advanced-reactor-gets-closer-to-reality/page/2/

          One comment:
          “..BTW, the TerraPower plan seems to be evolving more towards a conventional Liquid Sodium Fast Breeder with automatic fuel assembly reshuffling, than a true Traveling Wave concept. [Mar. 28, 2013]….”

          Another comment:
          “…Yeah, the ‘TWR’ [traveling wave reactor] basically IS a conventional Liquid Sodium Fast Breeder.It is no longer clear to me that the TerraPower reactor would be better than a conventional sodium fast reactor.

          Another comment:
          “…A thorium reactor like the proposed LFTR is promising, but hardly proven. The one and only molten salt experiment run in the 60's was successful, but it ran directly on U233, never Th, and certainly no reprocessing or two liquid implementations were done as is proposed now. More importantly the long term (10-20years) stability of the containment structure under neutron flux has not been demonstrated, given water separates permanent structures and fuel in existing pressure reactor designs….”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten-Salt_Reactor_Experiment#Operation [July 28, 2011]

          http://www.technologyreview.com/news/424824/advanced-reactor-gets-closer-to-reality/


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          • Mack Mack

            There's also the nuclear cost of the trade DEFICIT for Japan –>

            "Japan still paying for nuclear disaster as trade deficit soars"

            "Japan’s trade deficit soared by 70 per cent to hit a record high in the last financial year, dealing a serious blow to Shinzo Abe’s economic growth strategy.

            http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/markets/japan/article4069038.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_04_21


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Great stuff, Mack. There is no way the world can run from the true costs of Nuclear Technology and it will eventually bankrupt the entire world.. :(

              It's only a matter of time and more of these plants will blow up and that is a scientific fact now. :(


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              • Mack Mack

                Here we see more Japanese radioactive cars/parts rejected; this time in Russia:

                “In the first quarter of 2014, customs officers have sifted out 17 objects [cars or parts] with increased nuclear radiation levels and beta-active radio nucleotides, shipped by sea from Japanese ports. The import of all 17 contaminated objects was prohibited and they were shipped back,” the Vladivostok Customs Service said in a statement."

                http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140421/189290446/Russian-Customs-Rejects-Radioactive-Cars-From-Japan.html


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                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  These are the few they caught, millions of pieces and parts are making it through.. :(


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                • bo bo

                  I actually feel bad that Honda was chosen for that photo in the article. Just because Nissan is the one that has the biggest problem, especially with one of the plants being RIGHT by fukushima. Not that any of these differences matter when the entire country including my family is slowly turning into radioactive waste… but Honda was the first in trying to develop environmental cars, the founder was fiercely opposed to nepotism…big difference in culture between Nissan and Honda.
                  But I guess nothing matters any more…very sad. :(


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                  • michmom michmom

                    Doesn't matter if its "this one or that one." Its all coming out of a radioactive country that has forced a secrecy law upon its people. Nothing to see here, move along times a wastin and we gotta make money. And I am just wondering…….ah forget it. I'm just wasting time.


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            • SadieDog

              Tepco receives another 191.8 billion yen to pay for damages, but thats not gonna be enough…
              http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2014/1235803_5892.html


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              • We Not They Finally

                You mean damages to PROPERTY, yes? No one can pay for the damages to PEOPLE. But bet they are not even factoring that in.


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                • Well, some are factoring people in:

                  Marshall Islands sues nine nuclear powers over failure to disarm
                  Pacific nation that was site of 67 nuclear tests between 1946 and 1958 accuses states of 'flagrant denial of human justice'
                  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/marshall-islands-sues-nine-nuclear-powers-failure-disarm

                  "The Marshall Islands is suing the nine countries with nuclear weapons at the international court of justice at The Hague, arguing they have violated their legal obligation to disarm.

                  In the unprecedented legal action, comprising nine separate cases brought before the ICJ on Thursday, the Republic of the Marshall Islands accuses the nuclear weapons states of a "flagrant denial of human justice". It argues it is justified in taking the action because of the harm it suffered as a result of the nuclear arms race.

                  The Pacific chain of islands, including Bikini Atoll and Enewetak, was the site of 67 nuclear tests from 1946 to 1958, including the "Bravo shot", a 15-megaton device equivalent to a thousand Hiroshima blasts, detonated in 1954. The Marshallese islanders say they have been suffering serious health and environmental effects ever since."


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              • Sickputer

                Simple math tells us that if the estimated 98,000 evacuees who still refuse to return to Fukushima Prefecture are compensated at a measly $500 a month per person, that is $50 million per month in government doles (Although I am sure they make the working age refugees do some public work duties).

                So around half a billion dollars per year just for sustenance. No land or property reparations.

                Fifty years later the government will have spent 25 billion US dollars just on refugee food and living pensions.

                The estimated costs at the Fukushambles disaster site are running a million dollars a day. Add another 15 to 20 billion dollars until the year 2064 just for their limited efforts to cool and contain the three meltdowns and spent fuel rod extractions.

                All this coming from a financially shaky Japanese government with a huge elderly population.

                There is not enough money in all of the nuclear nations (except possibly Germany or totalitarian China and Russia) to devote the trillions of dollars needed to have any feeble chance to contain the runaway nuclear wreck at Fukushima.

                So they will sit around with a few thousand Tokyo wino recruits watching this hell on earth burn for eternity and gush deadly radiation into the world's oceans forever.

                As there is no solution to Japan's death spiral so it makes financial sense to open up the shuttered nuclear plants.

                They figure their population is already walking dead zombies anyway.
                Party like it is 1940!


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            • We Not They Finally

              Nuclear was never affordable IN THE FIRST PLACE. It was just government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded, no risk to the utilities companies. But I guess that if it's grand theft, but you're the recipient of the stolen funds, you can call it "cheap."


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              • Yep, basically they were just plutonium and ego factories


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              • id8

                At present, atomic power presents an exceptionally costly and inconvenient means of obtaining energy which can be extracted much more economically from conventional fuels… . The economics of atomic power are not attractive at present, nor are they likely to be for a long time in the future. This is expensive power, not cheap power as the public has been led to believe.” C. G. Suits, Director of Research, General Electric, 1951


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          • We Not They Finally

            Anne, thanks for exposing more of the sci-co-babble as usual. I think the keyword in that is "thorium." OF COURSE it's thorium!! Found in the earth with rare earth minerals! Coveted by the electronics industries! No wonder that Bill Gates Non-Humanitarian is in the middle of it!

            The other key word may be "sodium." It was a sodium reactor that blew up at Rocketdyne in 1959 — exponentially worse than TMI but never reported lest it stop the mad rush of bomb-building during The Cold War.

            It's all crap, it's all poison, it's all death. They need to stop dressing it up like a fashion show, because it's all deadly crap.


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          • RichardPerry

            The test plant is being hyped by pro-nuclear as been safe stating it can not over heat when power is lost but it does not state that, they shut down sections only not total loss of power off site and or standby.


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      • Mack Mack

        The author of the article gives this good advice:

        "Tell your electric utility: No new nuclear power plants"


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      • id8

        "Faustian bargain", borrowed by Kaku, is from Alvin Weinberg. "big science," "technological fix" are his too. He was quite a great man, a student in Chicago with Fermi, went to the Manhattan project, then director of Oak ridge, where he was the smartest guy in a room of the smartest guys in the room, You know?
        Weinberg designed the first real reactor, then lead the push to thorium and molten salt until he was fired by Nixon. Too fussy about safety. Thought the AEC was too chummy with the nuke industry, pushed for the new NRC as a real regulator. His firing was the end of the thorium and MSR programs, and no doubt helped doom the NRC to its current cheerleader role.
        Weinberg then went on to start a solar energy institute, now NREL.
        In 77 he recommended studying the causes/effects of all this CO2 going into the air.

        Writing this reminded me of Yanosuke Hirai of Onagawa. Onagawa NPP was closer to the earthquake, had a larger Tsunami than Fukushima.
        Instead of folks having to flee forever, the place became a sanctuary from the cold. Mr Hirai is credited with this, for his determination to make it safe. Described as an old school, stern, traditional man, one not to contradict. The sort of authority the Japanese learned to respect, the type of people needed now.
        It is the difference one person can make, lets hope someone steps up.


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    • LMFBR – Liquid Metal Sodium Fast Breeder Reactor Problems – Too Expensive, Too Dangerous; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/lmfbr-liquid-metal-sodium-fast-breeder.html


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    • name999 name999

      wntf, we don't pay the "externalities", the true costs of nuke power.

      Terry Tamminem, thanks for speaking out on this :

      "…we're risking the lives of our kids and grandkids for cheap power today."


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    • demise

      These are clearly political statements, which are all lies to begin with. Here is the sad truth that everyone is only inching forward to realize.
      In the next 5 years, Tokyo will be too polluted to live in. This will be a great tragedy for Japan and will effectively destroy them as a country. Food from the Pacific will be too contaminated to eat. All the West Coast states in the US will be poisoned and not be able to produced clean food.
      The government knows this and are already preparing large camps and food stock piles. There are keeping it as quiet as possible with help from media lap dogs. Sounds like a conspiracy, but I believe Obama will spill the beans in his last year and declare marshall law and suspend the constitution. It will be rightly so because when you lose the Pacific and Western states food/water supply, the effects will be Earth shattering and law and order will not exist for a hungry, armed populace.
      Generally, I think all the countries leaders see what's coming and Power is energy, so in the meantime China and Russia can make lots of noise that can also break a financially/politically broken US before the Radiation levels do so.


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      • Good point, remind self to expand PV system for 100% self generation.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        curious, demise, if you've any follow-up links to substantiate your "…preparing large camps and food stock piles." statement. I ask, as I don't believe there are any governments/organizations capable of responding to Fukushima; let alone any other nuclear disaster.

        I believe modern society's devolved into the early phases of the vassal war-lord states; only on a global level. These war-lord states are by-and-large dysfunctional in the face of large-scale environmental challenges. And while they may be efficient killing machines, their innate inability to respond to the aforementioned ensures their dissolution and ultimate destruction…


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    • Auntie Nuke

      Please note that this was not "from" NBC News; it came from a commentator on NBC. Here's the disclaimer they place at the bottom of the post:

      "Commentary by Terry Tamminen, former secretary of the California Environmental Protection Agency. He is also the president of Seventh Generation Advisors and co-founder of the R20 Regions of Climate Action. The views expressed in this article are solely the author's and do not reflect the viewpoint of NBC News."

      This may seem a fine point of distinction, but it's important. We have not won over NBC; they just fulfilled a contractual obligation to an ongoing commentator they use. Good that it's there; best not to assume network news department support, 'cause that ain't there. At least, not yet…


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    • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

      But it *is* cheap. You just have to amortize it over the entire lifetime of the results. 10,000 years at the minimum…


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      • VanneV VanneV

        And what about the cost for health care? And who pays for the destruction of the genome. Amortizing it when it is no longer providing energy is totally stupid. And who pays for the destruction of the aquifers from mining, and the destruction of the air, water, andland. And who pays for the climate warming until all the ice is melted and the temperature spike killing all life on earth?


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  • Daisy207

    How is is that "officials" are immune from the radiation? None of them have died or become sick? Eventually there will be no one left in Japan but "officials"? An entire country of people can't be silent – where are the tweets, the e-mails, the blogs – everybody in Japan owns a cell phone and computer – are they blocking transmissions? They would have to employ the entire country to keep this issue silent. Something is wrong here – who is keeping the situation silent? Someone is counting somewhere.


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    • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

      It seems Japan has succeeded in making this entire topic a social taboo to discuss.
      The people I have talked to who live in japan just freeze up or even go silent when Fukushima is mentioned.
      I find it fascinating they are not all in a rage over it!
      Looks like the hush hush campaign is working wonders.
      How is this possible?

      I think part of it is because no one wants to be the first to step up and say what they really believe.
      Everyone seems to want to just blend in and not make a stink.
      I think their hearts are in it but they don't know how to start the process of rising up.
      Hopefully opinions from fantastic leaders like Katsutaka Idogawa will become contagious and pave the way, opening up people's hearts, minds & voices!


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    • zogerke zogerke

      I wonder: Is there a conflagration, a combined fear: that is people talk about fukushima the country's grandeur is over?

      so that talking about fukushima equals:
      feeling like/ being seen as a national traitor
      betraying Japanese culture
      admitting failure in a grand and global scale
      admitting being a victim, again- like admitting being raped when you are a man
      admitting powerlessness
      cultural loss of pride
      challenging the system and unraveling the whole set of beliefs you have been raised with and live by, unraveling all you and family believe
      PLUS DEATH THREATS!

      THAT is a lot connected with admittance and breaking silence.

      Japanese heritage members, and folks who lived in Japan and know the beautiful and complicated culture i welcome your opinions, though regret putting you on the spot- no one can represent a whole culture or people….no one.


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      • bo bo

        I get twitter feeds from Japan that are in sync with what we see on enenews
        But not many facebook updates – though I haven't checked facebook in a year and people I follow on twitter are only activists, not friends.


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      • bo bo

        I'm also confused by this disconnect.
        I get the stonewalling from family and friends( in Japan and here, as mm points out) but then when was the last time 60, 000 people rallied against anything here…?
        http://japandailypress.com/60000-in-tokyo-protest-government-plans-to-restart-nuclear-power-0329890/

        I'm confused where these people come from and go home to??? :(


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      • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

        Zogerke: One piece of the pie is that 99.99 percent of all people in Japan (and elsewhere around the world like U.S. and European nations) are still living every single day utilizing–and even completely relying on–the products and services of the companies who are directly responsible for this environmental destruction and others.

        There is massive congnitive dissonance happening. As long as you have access to information (one way or the other), you will understand that events like Fukushima are manufactured by companies and payed for by consumers. That means that the guilt for such events lies on 99.99 percent of the populations.

        Some immediately change their behaviors in order to remove their impact from the equation of death…but even most of them are still dependent in some way on those same companies (electric, gas, utilities, food). But for the 99 percent, they are seeing no massive social movement to change, and therefore ignore it all completely…going about their lives as though nothing has happened. They choose to continue to live in the fantasy world where they think they are independent, free, and good people.

        As a result, they are continuing the most horrible destruction the planet has ever seen, without skipping a beat.

        All this being said…there are no enemies. Enemy is a fabricated word. The perpetrators of these horrors are our brothers and sisters…they have just lost their way.


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        • nedlifromvermont

          beautifully spoken (written) ME … we must strive evermore to save them from themselves … it is our sacred (pagan) mission … lurkers beware … we are out to save your souls, no less, … as we aim to shutter the disastrous foray into civilian nuclear power … unleashed, shall we say, for starters, by a deeply misguided and dysfunctional business elite in the USA … primarily led by the moon-faced and demonic, Lewis L. Strauss, who pushed it all through for Wall Street … not without allies and other front men … General Electric's business reputation be damned … the Nuclearists have overreached and they need to face the music ….

          peace folks!


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Moonlight you are very wise..and a powerful Jedi! :)
          "They choose to continue to live in the fantasy world where they think they are independent, free, and good people."


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        • Truth Telling And Nuclear Radiation Experts/Specialists, such as Dr. Yamashita; via @AGreenRoad
          http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/03/truth-telling-and-nuclear-radiation.html


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        • Shaker1

          "…99.99 percent of all people in Japan (and elsewhere around the world like U.S. and European nations) are still living every single day utilizing–and even completely relying on–the products and services of the companies who are directly responsible for this environmental destruction and others."

          Well said, MoonlightEmpire.


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          MoonLightEmpire says the guilt for such events lies on 99.99 percent of the populations

          But the game is rigged, so the blame does not rest on the 99.99%. The public is scarcely more capable of implementing good choices than say a slave community or prisoners in a prison camp. This is true, not only by the all-important range of options available to them, but by their mental conditioning.

          If one is going to blame, then one should blame the elite who rigged the system, the unbelievably large group that enable them (media, science institutions) or, more inclusively, the forces of nature which produce the various psychological types of humans.


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            So, then you are saying 100% are actually guilty when you include the .001 %..nice. :)


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          • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

            I draw a distinction between "blame" and "responsibility". "Blame" is not something I was trying to sling…rather that we are all "responsible" for these tragedies because the behaviors we make nearly every day are perpetuating/adding to/causing the very problems we strive to solve.

            I mention "guilt" as I do "responsibility", not "guilt" in the sense of the tool that is historically used to make people do things that they otherwise don't want to.

            For instance: If we know that Mitsubishi is also involved in the Nuclear industry, then all of us who owns one of their cars is helping to fund a nuclear beast.

            If we know that "those warehouse stores" use wage-slaves and destroy communities, then ANYTHING we purchase from them (no matter how small) is an act of SUPPORT for those values of slavery and destruction.

            If we know that synthetic paints are toxic to consume (would you drink even a drop?), then we are responsible for the poisoning of humans, plants, and animals with every brush stroke.

            If we know that burning fossil fuels is terrible in all of its ways…then we put our stamp of approval on such things every time we turn that key…

            Many people don't realize that it goes this deep (and much deeper).

            And yes, as you mentioned, most of us were BORN INTO this insane world, and taught by our communities that these behaviors are fully acceptable…but we know now they are not.


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            • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

              I understand fully that many will feel completely trapped by the realization that almost EVERY aspect of their life has been contributing to the destruction of everything that we all love.

              But the shock of this is a necessary step to taking action toward rectifying such things.

              Literally everything in life is a choice. Even to the degree of eating/drinking. You may think that you need a car in order to get to work in order to…and so on…but, in fact it is a CHOICE to work a job that necessitates having a car.

              Most people shut off their minds when confronted with the thought of "giving up" their cars…but ceasing to use them is imperitive. We must all–at LEAST–take steps every day to work towards NOT having that car anymore.

              Do not forget that there are so many things that are so much easier fix than the car issue. We never again have to eat at a restraunt or fast food chain. We never again have to buy bottled water (remember where the plastic goes?).

              Everyone can compost their food. Everyone can be more mindful of water usage. No one has to purchase cigarettes (roll your own with yarrow, goldenrod, mint, raspberry leaves and more). No one has to purchase a lottery ticket (you're not going to win, anyway).

              The list of ways to remove our personal "guilt" is practically endless in these societies.

              Remember that everything is choice.

              Personally, I choose redemption.


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                If one looks more in depth, at cause and effect, one finds that choice is largely an illusion. This point is relevant on many different levels; philosophically, socially, religiously.

                If you find yourself at the bottom of a well, you will see that your choice of places to walk is extremely limited. The experience of life gives the illusion of multiple, equal opportunity movements, but everyone ignores the reality that all things, really all things in the universe must lead up to the crucial next step. Cant choose to make a fire without wood, knowledge of fire from friction (forgetting even matches), all important desire or motivation, now add atmospheric oxygen, no bears attacking, and this goes on for infinity. Its simply a truer understanding of life. On a very limited level, it means that people must be given an easily obtainable alternative that they can easily, quickly believe in. I believe in and eat "weeds" for superior nutrition, but will not convince others of this


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              • J.

                I think this is correct. There must be massive changes in our way of thinking, and living. 'The New Earth' by Tolle suggests some useful ideas.


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              MoonlightEmpire, Im pretty sure I understood you first time around. But did you understand me? By habituation, they can restrain an elephant by a little rope they could easily break. Are the elephants free to escape, as you suggest? We may know something of the unsustainable, unfair ways of civilization, but the majority dont even have time to think about it. Thats why I say, if you are going hold the mass public responsible, then you by all logic must hold nature herself responsible, as all come from/are nature. The cogent point is that in the RELATIVITY of human existence, the responsibility is properly placed on the elite, the corporate entity and the enablers. See the Chompsky video below


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              • Shaker1

                Respectfully, Code, there are some contradictions in your argument that might seem more apparent if one looks at the situation as a whole rather than a set of separate parts. The elephant is free to escape. What MoonlightEmpire might be referring to is the elephant has choice in either subjugation or escape and is in the end responsible for either.

                Personally, I don't believe in the efficiency of scapegoats. The elite are where they are not because they've created the conditions that allow their description, but because the conditions are allowed for the description to be apt. Scapegoating may, in effect, be actually rationalizing the description to continue a 'the king is dead; long live the king' program. The only part that nature might play in the situation is presenting material death in this dimension as the end reality for all. What may be also natural is resistance to that death, but it's not required.

                I might agree that situationally such circumstances do apply, as in the young and immature, or oppression that is severe and life-long that it blocks thought that another reality exists mentally. But I don't think that situation exists for the majority of recognized mature participants in any given society. I'm not suggesting that the public cover themselves with sackcloth and ashes, but without recognizing the free will they claim and its inherent responsibility it's no different than making the same choice as what you call 'the elite'.


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                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Shaker1, 99% of the people who believe "the universe is one, everything is connected" also believe in free will. This is putting the power of the individual above the whole, or implies a separation of individual and whole. Of course I cant influence anyone's opinion on this, because the idea of free will is simply too enticing and the lack of it too effacing of individuality. Lets say people choose to believe in their freedom. But lets get off that bit of contractible philosophy.

                  The elephant, while physically capable, is in fact incapable of choosing for its freedom, and that is why I used it as an example. To simply put the onus on the public to choose for a better world does nothing to achieve it. In the practical world, one must give the public easily believed in alternatives, because if they dont have an electric car, or dont believe it will work out for them, they will not stop using gas powered ones.

                  The future of clean energy is here, but political powers dont promote or even permit it. Look into the first electric vehicles, check their performance, and this proves what I say. Public mood and thought is conditioned, and simply saying they should choose to be unconditioned does not make it so. Reality of the situation is my proof


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                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    as usual, CodeShutdown, you've left me in awe. Your ability to think outside the box leaves me stunned. I've been 'lecturing' people for years on the concept that there's no free will; that 'freedom' is a construct used to delude the conscious mind into believing its autonomous. Most 'individuals' are terrified by synthesis so I reserve such discourse for those who explore the limits of controlled thought. Again, you appear one who's not only mastered the art of looking into the mirror of 'ourselves', you've also demonstrated great courage in doing so.

                    P.S. possible grammatical error in your first paragraphs closing line: "contractible" should likely have read "controversial"; or some such thing…


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Youre right AFTERSHOCK, I have not the discipline to proof-read my posts! I meant intractable, and probably a better word could have been chosen…

                      intractable;
                      1. difficult to influence or direct: an intractable disposition
                      2. (of a problem, illness, etc) difficult to solve, alleviate, or cure


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                    • Homolumina Homolumina

                      I'd like to throw into the discussion the distinction between 'freedom from' and 'freedom to' – we are never free from whatever – but we are free to choose how we position ourselves regarding that, which we are not free from…


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                  • We Not They Finally

                    CodeShutdown, there's a big yes/no on "everyone who believes the universe is One, believes in free will." That's hardly true. The Indians for example, believe in "prarabda karma," which is karma that must happen. Many people who believe that "the universe is One" also believe that events lay their shadows before them, and we do what we are empowered to do WITHIN them, without necessarily controlling them at all. Others who believe that "the universe is One" do not believe that this Earth is our permanent home, we just do and learn the best we can while we are here, and that any "free will" has a much larger space in which to dwell than what we see right in front of our face.

                    You mean well, but people don't actually believe what you project they believe. But that said, our HUMANITY may be all that matters now. Humanity and compassion. Whether we can "free will" this thing in another direction or not. IMHO. Peace.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I said 99% of the people WNTF. Its probably true that I mean well but people dont actually believe what I project they believe. Sort of true for all of us though dont you think? A perfect example is that I dont believe what you project I believe, that is pretty clear…


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I will clarify, WNTF, that there is in fact an injustice and ineffectual outcome of espousing the "we are all to blame, thus choose a better outcome" thinking. It puts blame, guilt inducing blame on the public who are just trying to make ends meet in a hectic life.

                      Change is part of the cosmos, its not solely up to the individual. Furthermore, this judgement of fault doesnt give a practical method for change. If you want to change an errant child, you dont just say its your fault, the responsibility is yours….no, you introduce them and guide by example etc etc. So putting the fault on the public is only a partial truth, one that doesnt really lead to change…change we can believe in


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                  • J.

                    "The elephant, while physically capable, is in fact incapable of choosing for its freedom, and that is why I used it as an example."

                    There are brilliant and detailed studies on 'learned helplessness.' These are very relevant to the conversation. Many of us have been conditioned in this way. The most powerful — and horrifying — example comes from experiments with rats and drowning. They are inhumane experiments — really cold-blooded — and show that rats held in the hand until they stop struggling gave up and drowned quickly when put in water, whereas rats not constrained in the hand would struggle for hours and hours before drowning.


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                • Shaker1

                  Please understand, me Code, that all I'm doing is pointing out the contradictions that it appears to me, from reading your previous comments here, you've recognized and assumed for a long time. No one knows everything, I think that's a given, but no one, with some discrete exceptions, limits the imagination of a man/woman that they can't realize those contradictions as you may have and take action, also as you do. It may be functional to differentiate classes when assigning responsibility, but are they so apparent when one considers that change and free thought is open to all?


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    I admit I couldnt entirely follow you Shaker, but free thought and change are obviously not open to all. You may draw a distinction between someone in jail and out of jail, but the limits are only of type or degree. In fact one set of limits is simply exchanged for another. But like I said, if you, Shaker1, "choose" to believe everyone has freedom to change their thought and physicality, theres not much I can do about it! You believe you are free to think differently than you do, but you dont believe you can add a half meter to your stature, or beam this instant to another planet, or even think as well as Einstein or Debussy. If you and everyone is really free to change as you insist, then start by creating a great symphony ala Holst, by way of proof. I couldnt see the contradictions you talk about, and further, you didnt remark about the main practical thrust, which is that we need a new infrastructure to our system. Distributed solar, individual or local 3-d printers using nanocellulose derived from bamboo, new civil planning, new housing structures which use dirt cheap materials constructed by automated additive printing etc…


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                • We Not They Finally

                  Shaker1, are you calling the evil powerful people who CAUSED this "scapegoats"? Is that actually what you meant to say? Wow. NOT GOING THERE.

                  Or maybe we should just all cooperatively suffer and die while those folks "work it out"? After all, at heart they are our "brothers and sisters," as M.E. says?

                  I admit that rage is not the first or best alternative! But you know what would give me a real good boost really quickly? PEOPLE RISING UP!! Yeah, we can all hide out in corners and grow organic (albeit radioactive) food. I'm all for anyone doing that who CAN.

                  But what would really give me a boost? PEOPLE RISING UP!!


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                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    I think RAGE is the appropriate emotion WNTF. The public should be so enraged that the powers that be shake in their boots and go white. The public should feel such rage that they speak with the loudest voice in history; "Im mad as hell, and Im not going to take it anymore!" Starting this minute, the public should boycott the entire corrupt system. Not easy to do unless you have RAGE!!!!


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                    • We Not They Finally

                      Yeah, I do "get it." I get what you are saying. But here in America especially, people in rage do the likes of pick up guns and claim that that means that they are "free." And the cycle perpetuates itself.

                      There was a song in the 60's, "We are a gentle, angry people," and that's more what I meant. The kind of rage borne out of caring and heartbreak, not a mindless lashing out.

                      The English language is great for some things, not so great for others. Like if you want to describe the many types of snow, go to the Eskimos, or if you want the nuances of philosophy, look to the Germans.

                      Just doing the best I can here! But I also wrote that because I have to control rage at all this myself every day of the week[!] Every day I think, why aren't people running out into the streets screaming? But energy-wise, there might be a better way to go!


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I think I understood you well the first time round. But you would probably recoil at the thought that violence is a part of life, your immune system, social change, super novas etc. I personally think it would be fine if a ninja group eliminated TEPCO Yakuza, and held top officials at the throat with swords until they changed their destructive ways. The other solution is to stand by and watch them destroy the world, one agonizing death after another, as we think happy thoughts


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                    • bo bo

                      'I personally think it would be fine if a ninja group eliminated TEPCO Yakuza, and held top officials at the throat with swords until they changed their destructive ways.'

                      Read 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami – fun filled book


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                  • Shaker1

                    Whew! What responses to a simple statement that, I'm sorry, I feel should be plainly obvious.

                    WTNF, I will call 'the elite' (I personally do not believe they are so. I lead a rich life, albeit not materially.) scapegoats. I'm certainly not defending their actions, just making the point that there are avenues for change that didn't happen, they took the opportunity given. People went along for the ride, took everything they could, and didn't even demand the most basic justice in 'an eye for an eye'. Just who is remiss? The opportunist, or those who would allow the opportunity?

                    And, Code, yes, there are physical limits in material life, such as my genetic code, and I may not think like Einstein or Debussy, (while I would counter that they don't, or didn't, think like me!) you were referring to learned response, weren't you? If you accept learned response in such broad terms (I did pose exceptions) aren't you excluding willful change? Are you not a free person? Try having that discussion with Christ or Gandhi. And I did address those physical limits. One doesn't have to accept them, but must pay the price for that nonacceptance. The limit is death or discomfort, little else that one doesn't impose upon themselves once one becomes an independent individual. And, respectfully, I thought it was a given that I was a anti-nuke, pro-alternative energy in simply being here, that you didn't need a manifesto expounding my thoughts in that regard.


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                    • Shaker1

                      What I will say is that there are basic questions that aren't asked. The opportunist won't pose those questions to another. One has to do that themselves, though history is littered with martyrs and 'saints' who would. If nothing else, and above all, what might be lost within the expression of the lives of those martyrs and saints is the willingness not only to ask, but to make the hard choice. Were we as a society willing to question our faith is science and allow nuclear? In another current vein, did we as a society pull our cash from the banks and markets that have, in open admissions, criminally taken advantage of their positions to partake in injustice? Or did we allow them to publicly make claims of 'doing God's work', pasting their pictures on the covers of magazines as damned heroes, then to top it off, buy those magazines to bolster the idea? I don't like blame, and don't think in many instances, especially this, that it's useful, but at some point one has to own up to their part in the process, however small. If you don't believe you have the power to influence events, you won't. It's that simple. If you're waiting for someone else to claim that power for you in the manner you might wish, I think history's rather clear that you're in for a long wait, and chances are that claimant is going to be none other than some shadow of those 'elite' and their ways.


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        • We Not They Finally

          M.E., I admire your idealism, don't get me wrong. But that said, I USED TO think that people who lived by evildoings were really "our brothers and sisters who had lost their way." Like we are all One Humanity. Nor do I want anything in life to turn me from caring into callous.

          I just no longer see them as "brothers and sisters" at all. I want to separate the good and caring people of this world OUT from this. I don't feel like I share a thing with the likes of Shinzo Abe, Dick Cheney, GE execs, the IAEA (well, a long list) except superficial genetics; and in generations to come, that may change too, since God willing, I truly want to be elsewhere. I'm grieved, And maybe I should be more saint-like about this, but no, I do NOT wish them well. I want them to incur what they have wrought. Nor do I want the precious innocents of this world to simply have to wait before Humanity actually takes hold again.

          And I struggle with that — I'm honestly not sure that it's the best place to be! It's an evolving process.

          But in regard to those who have wrought such horrors, I seem to do much better with peace by SEPARATION. Not denial — not at all. I just in no way IDENTIFY with them. I am not them. They are not me. I would never in a million years do what they have done.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      who is keeping the situation silent?

      Watch even the first three minutes of the Noam Chompsky speach

      Noam Chomsky – Propaganda & Control of the Public Mind
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHU2AVcK5l8

      on stupid people
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olbbhTSwDIk


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Actually a lot is known about why people act the way they do. Enenewsers are a statistically defined percentage of the population..a very small part. Public attitude and even movement is predicted to a high degree of accuracy by computer algorithms.

        Mass psychology; one thing is that people ignore information that doesnt support their existing world view.

        research in the journal American Behavioral Scientist;

        Hoffman concluded, “Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as ‘motivated reasoning,’ which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe. In fact, for the most part people completely ignore contrary information"

        http://www.projectcensored.org/state-crimes-against-democracy/


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        • We Not They Finally

          Actually, the whole history of SCIENCE is riddled with that. People proceed from where they already are. You get some "greats" who leap over that, like "Tesla," yes. Or socially, you get "greats" like Gandhi with "passive resistance," or Mandela who averted a bloodbath just because his own humanity was so great. People who have the capacity for selflessness and to greatly inspire others.

          In the face of the current world, with REALLY bad odds against that, we very much need such "giants" to appear. (Even though that's also "be careful what you wish for," since people at large seem to be so readily deceived.)

          But it's not us who determines who is born where or who they shall become. I hate waiting any longer when such destruction is underfoot. I want new "giants" to proclaim themselves. There are truly great souls out there, and they emerge in circumscribed contexts. But how amazing if someone/anyone inspired us all en masse to rise above the whole "motivated reasoning" thing. The world seems to be supporting that less and less.


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          • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

            Would you be surprised to realize that YOU are one of those giants?

            It looks to me like many who visit ENE are at the top of the beanstalk…

            Go out amongst the people of the world…you need to be seen.


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        • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

          Code, Shaker, WNTF, and others: Thank you for the thoughtful responses. I feel obliged to refrain from taking up too much space in this thread, so I will keep this as concise as possile.

          Code: I understand the elephant. Yes, masses of the population have been trained in the same way. I believe the elephant still does have choice…it has just been trained into submission. No, the elephant (masses) can't be blamed, but their actions are still causing effects every time. Where we are lucky, is that we are able to communicate with other human beings…effectively un-doing the damage of the programming…and holding their hands as they take those first few steps…

          We can't save them all, but if you can save one then you are a success.

          Shaker1: Those three paragraphs are well written. I look forward to more from you.

          WNTF: I don't relate to them either. I too, would never do what some of them have done. My knee-jerk reaction/feelings are also of disgust…and the mind quickly focuses first on vengeance. It is at the realization of this that everything must change. Over the entire course of human history, vengeance has begat vengeance. The only way to stop it is to be one who has been wronged, and choose peace. Choose love. Syria is perpetuating on Vengeance. So is Ukraine. One man kills another, and his brother kills a brother, and his brother kills a brother. It doesn't end until we choose peace, no matter what has been done to us.

          Keep it up 'newsers


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      • bo bo

        Stupid people video – 'Is that any different than what god promised… ( inaudible)' what did he say in the last sentence there?

        I always have such a hard time with his soft speech :(


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          bo….is that logic any different than God promised Noah there would be no disaster. He is drawing a parallel to politicians using unfounded and illogical religious dogma. He points out that we are at an ecologically tragic point in history due to the stupid actions of people in power. His other videos on anarchism are good. Noam Chompsky is one of the great intellects/scholars of the time, but he really dropped the ball on the world trade center issue, and one has to wonder whats up with that…. otherwise, there is simply no way to argue with him. He has some vast repository of historical events at the ready, along with an equally vast reference of authors…really amazing


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          • bo bo

            He doesn't really speak much on fukushima either, or does he? I once did a search fukushima / chomsky in a lazy attempt to just cut to the chase – I recall I got nothing


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              sadly, bo, Chompsky never seems to cross the rubicon. But he gives us a framework for thinking, and points out many injustices, including those inflicted by his own clan. So thats pretty amazing. He gives us an example of positively sterling intellect and command of word.


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            • We Not They Finally

              I recall checking out Chomsky on Fukushima and getting the same "nothing" — in fact, I was gravely disappointed. He was an icon in former years, but he's way older now and I don't know that THIS is the discussion he is here to contribute to. I say leave him be, he's lived a great life, but maybe look elsewhere. IMHO.


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Im promoting his ideas on anarchy, his scholarly description of the roots of mind control in our civilization, and his exposure of the injustice and dangers perpetrated by our civilization and the ruling class in particular. Fukushima is but a manifestation of those underlying causative factors


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          • VanneV VanneV

            The promise was that God wouldn't destroy the earth. But we definitely see that mankind is destroying the earth by fire, i.e. climate warming by nuclear radiation.


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        • bo bo

          Ok I just listened to the first lecture – that's a great lecture and he enunciates well.
          Thanks code :)


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          • bo bo

            I think after his wife passed away there has been no strength in his voice
            I read somewhere that he fell into depression after her death
            Perhaps since then he's just rehashing old material, who knows :(
            But points made in past lectures are valid and something we can work off of.


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            good god bo, you didnt listen to the whole verbose, monotonic, can I say boring allocution did you? I couldnt even get through it, and I admit to an embarrassing thirst for that kind of intellectual trash.

            Can I be blunt? I think you would have a fuller life if you painted more, saw friends and hung out at enenews less. Not that we dont love and adore you here, its just that…well life is short and you have lots of prime-of-life to live to the fullest! I thought the Chompsky vids would be for stodgy quasi intellectuals who are still searching for truth via mental machinations, not the young and alive who experience it directly!

            signs you might be spending too much time on enenews;

            1] even your cat has given up trying to get your attention
            2] you listen to an entire Chompsky speech just because some nobody on ENE suggested it
            3] you dont know the names and have never met your closest friends
            4] email gets in the way
            5] you just signed off enenews five minutes ago
            6] youre an artist and think blogging on ENE is the same as journaling
            7] you check ENE before making coffee in the morning


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            • bo bo

              Sigh :(
              Yes code I know I spend way too much time here. Thanks for the input.
              But to my defense
              1. I only listened to 20 min of Chomsky
              2. I gave it a chance because YOU suggested it, not 'because someone on enenews suggested it' – your links are always good
              3. I feel like I'm racing against time trying to collect evidence before a. I can convince my family to at least move to Okinawa before they become radioactive waste and my brother, who is already showing signs of 'bura bura disease' is not on a wheelchair and b. Before a lot of the information we are able to get today are sealed off. For many on enenews nuclear science is old hat, but I just hit the ground 2 years ago ( not even 3!) – so covering all the information before the door shuts… well, I feel like I'm reading and running sometimes..

              But, ok. I'll go and try to enjoy the day. Minus friends – I can't handle pretending like everything is ok. Don't worry tho. I am real life friends with animals, and children, and I have a partner who is 'understanding' (but does not understand fully)


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              • C'mon… it's always fun and a good lesson to listen to Chomsky ! I just *love* his lectures, speeches and commentaries. How The hell does he manage to keep all this amazing knowledge in memory ? Is there any historical or political book, paper, article, diplomatic cable, whatever published in any given country at any time between Rameses II and today he cannot quote from ;-) ?


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                bo, I see you sitting at the computer…it just seems a sad fate for a vivacious pulchritudrix.

                It may be a tremendously rough ride, but rest assured we will get through it until the day we die.

                I found its well nigh impossible to affect change amongst friends and family. I gave it a damn good try though. Are there 400 lethal doses per person of non biodegradable radionuclides loose in the biosphere? Is the entire north of Japan an exclusion zone based on Chernobyl standards? This is about all they need to know to make up their own minds. Life always was and always will be a bitter-sweet novel with a tragic ending. Comrades fall as we look on helplessly, thats the script.

                The best scenario is to get into greenhouse based small communities far from civilization centers. Look at Belarus as a good prognosticator. Life will go on, and roaming gangs of killer mutants may not happen within your lifetime.

                In fact we have 50% cancer rate, and life, for those yet unafflicted, seems to carry on. Even in times of social collapse, people find excitement, reason to live and even art and poetry. So be that poet, that artist, with the little time allotted a life. Plenty will blog, so thats taken care of. "heres lookin at you kid" (Bogart), or pour me a mate (Argentine thinkers)


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                • bo bo

                  Thanks code… but just so you know I don't sit at a computer… I actually don't even own one. I just have my Samsung Galaxy – the 'I can't believe it's not a minipad!' I get to check while I work when it's slow at work – which is most days except weekends. Feel sorry not for me being stuck in front of a screen but for damage to my brain via electro magnetic waves.

                  Do you really think though, Belarus is a good comparison to see what Tokyo will be like in 10 years, with ongoing fission for 3 years and no end in sight? I assume this same Belarus model is being used, when people tell me 'yes, we know, we've accepted THIS. But we have made the decision to stay in Tokyo.' But I get the sense from reading Sickputer and PUN's prognostications that we will be seeing something much worse than what we see in Belarus – it just hasn't started yet. And if people really understood that, I'm not sure if they'd be as zen about it. :(


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                  • bo bo

                    Oops sorry I see I confused what you said.
                    Entire of Japan Chernobyl – death zone, outside that, Belarus. Agreed.


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                    • bo bo

                      Entire *north* of Japan


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      bo, the question is; how bad is it, what will life be like. One can get a rough idea by looking at Belarus which received some of the highest fallout from Chernobyl. For sure, the effects of Fukushima could be compounded and be a worldwide ELE. But in the quest for answers, and in talking to friends and family, Belarus is a start. Per our conversation above, yes, parts of Belarus, like parts of Japan are death zones, unlivable forever. Hundreds of villages abandoned etc. Tokyo could see effects equivalent to Belarus


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      …continuing Belarus comparison…
                      Only 10% of the overall expected damage can be seen in the first generation

                      In a paper published by the Chernobyl Ministry in the Ukraine, a multiplication of the cases of disease was registered – of the endocrine system ( 25 times higher from 1987 to 1992), the nervous system (6 times higher), the circulation system (44 times higher), the digestive organs (60 times higher), the cutaneous and subcutaneous tissue (50 times higher), the muscolo-skeletal system and psychological dysfunctions (53 times higher). Among those evaluated, the number of healthy people sank from 1987 to 1996 from 59 % to 18%.

                      http://www.ippnw-students.org/chernobyl/research.html

                      continued…


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      continued…

                      85 percent of Belarusian children are deemed to be Chernobyl victims: they carry “genetic markers” that could affect their health at any time and can be passed on to the next generation.

                      99 percent of the land of Belarus has been contaminated to varying degrees above internationally accepted levels.

                      http://www.chernobyl-international.com/about-chernobyl/facts-and-figures

                      The explosion of the reactor at Chernobyl released 100 times more radiation than the
                      atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                      Over 2,000 towns and villages were bulldozed the
                      ground, and hundreds more stand eerily silent.

                      http://www.chernobyl-international.org/documents/chernobylfacts2.pdf


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      continued…

                      Birth rates in Belarus have fallen 50 percent.
                      http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/

                      So back to the original point, we can see the nightmare that Belarus has become, yet there is a country and many lives continue with an array of joys and sadness…for now. Thus, my suggestion to aim for an agrarian lifestyle, as far away from nuclear zones as possible, and attempt to live a full life. Too much blog time/disaster focus, while important to get up to speed, can reduce your quality of life. But you can tell from my avatar, dont take anything I say as serious….I intend a spirit of play. Dad laughed on his deathbed when I said now you will be able to experience the fourth dementia


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                    • bo bo

                      Thanks code, for the solid gold information & links, and the wise and heartfelt advice. The figures in Belarus are horrifying on its own, I can't even wrap my head around what's in store for Tokyo in the next decade :(

                      You are also right, my evidence collection is like the tank farms in fukushima… piling up by the day.. only to be released back into the ocean anyway.

                      I have too much curiousity to ever stop, though.
                      At the moment this never ending curiousity is the only proof that I still haven't died completely spiritually.
                      I also think I'm not wrong in thinking what information is freely available to us now might all soon be sealed off and blocked.

                      And I think I might actually bother to listen through the whole chomsky lecture. But I'll make sure to do it in small increments while cooking pasta. :)


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  • bo bo

    I hope this isn't too off topic but at this moment if the publicized itenarary is not fake – Abe and Obama are on a sushi date at Jiro Sushi in Ginza, Tokyo.

    So do they seriously still consume sushi? Or is it just a fake stunt, to keep people believing things are normal?


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  • Sickputer

    Spammer boy hereby sentenced to mop detail at Unit 2 Daiichi and then flown to Moscow where he must wear a T-shirt in public saying "Putin eats stinky beans".

    On-topic: I just detest these lowball half-trillion dollar estimates for a nuclear meltdown. German economists years ago placed a 10 trillion dollar estimate on a single meltdown. Fukushima Daiichi has three major meltdowns and is rapidly bioaccumulating the world's largest city with deadly long-lived poisons.

    Add in the loss of Japan's finest croplands and you have a disaster that will threaten the shaky Japanese economy and produce a sickly mutant population for eternity.


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  • Angela_R

    Why don't people talk about it? Possibly the minds of many are too shell shocked; it may be that to start to talk about the problem would be confrontational for them and their wish is to block out the unacceptable.


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    • Bones Bones

      I think a Japanese sociologist and psychologist could shed light on that answer. Of course, fear is a universal language. We can be sure that FEAR is being peddled to the Japanese from the highest of highs. A global enlightenment is happening and cannot be stopped. The timeline is not in months, but a decade. Patience, work, determination, strength, support for one another, and standing ground, along with disseminating the information to all. Japan's gov't and it's oligarchs are as illegitimate as the Americans'. People need to be shown their illegitimacy. They are criminals and not leaders. Their house of cards has collapsed, but Japan.gov doesn't like people to notice that.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    People don't talk about it because everyone is in nuclear limbo. To ask most people to explain how nuclear functions would be the equivalent of expecting to be able to talk politics with a cat. Until they hear from their deities (govts/media) they will continue to sit on the fence.
    We also live in an age where any outside the box type of thinking is classified as a conspiracy theory.

    New definition
    Conspiracy Theorist: One who is capable of critical thinking and independent thought.


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    • Crickets Crickets

      I agree, tsfw. Also, consider the number of other things wrong that threaten the planet for human habitation and human rights these days, not to mention the economic doom that always seems to be looming just around the corner. The list is long. Maybe people are numbed by the situation we're in and just think that someone else will deal with all the problems.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    People do not seek change unless things become completely intolerable, where there is considerably more to gain than lose from revolt. Until the illusion of comfort is removed, complacency is the rule.


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  • Sol Man

    It is the aggregate of all of the nuclear disasters together that continue to load the atmosphere with TRU particulate material.

    Have you ever seen the world's burden decrease? No! It only increases!

    Have you noticed the sunrise or sunset lately? The disc looks as it it is in a pool of white-hot molten metal. Why do you think that this is? The world's atmosphere has changed forever.

    Here, POTR Blog. What he says:

    http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-document-trail-points-to-radiation.html


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    • VanneV VanneV

      Tyanks very much, Sol Man. I looked up the Seven Top turnips and bought some on amazon.com. I see that this variety is grown for its leaves, not its roots.


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      • Sol Man

        VanneV, oh, I guarantee that you will enjoy them! If I had a garden plot and could plant only one thing, it would be this green. There are a few gorilla plots where I might find some things growing later in the season.

        With all of the various toxins all about us I think that we have to make the effort to partake often of non-inflammatory food and beverage. The more of this that I do the greater positive results that I notice, in myself.


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        • VanneV VanneV

          I think they should grow well indoors in the winter also.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Great stuff, Sol Man! :)


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        • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

          To all who grow food: Please do not forget that we were all born on this planet with all of the food we ever needed, growing naturally all around us. Purchased seeds of any sort are genetically inferior to the wild plants.

          Since we here at ENE understand the nuclear issue…we know how important genetics are…

          Any seed that you can purchase from the store (including Heirlooms of all varieties) are DOMESTICATED plants with weakened/inferior genetics. This is because, even the Heirloom varieties have been "nurtured/pampered" by human beings for–in some cases–many generations. These plants are genetically weak because they are pre-disposed to being un-naturally stored, sown, watered, and tended. Additionally, people have been selecting plants to save seed from for characteristics like size and appearance…qualities that have nothing to do with the genetic vitality of the plant (its ability to survive on this planet without any human "help").

          All the plants that most people know as food are domesticated versions of their ancestors.

          Even your "superfood", Kale, is nothing but a helpless Poodle to the wolf that is the Dandelion.

          Remember, domesticated animals cannot survive on their own. Boxers (dogs) cannot even give birth without human intervention (the heads are too large now to fit through the birth canal).

          The domestication of the food plants is the same situation.

          Learn the wild plants and respect their home!


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          • Sol Man

            I am not certain of what this sentence means: "even your superfood kale is nothing but a helpless poodle to the wolf that is the dandelion."

            But, this I can assure you, dandelion, mallow, and purslane, considered common weeds to many gardeners, should be added to the stir fries and salads at our tables. They are good! The purslane needs proper preparation, though.

            Eating these great plants that grew between the "rows" of other things that I planted got me kicked out of our local community garden. I didn't have bare-naked ground between my rows. Can you imagine! My entire plot was a producing wonder, without the addition of paths or raised beds in my 18 x 20 foot plot. Gaia welcome here! That should have been the sign that I put up at my plot. Now the space that I used has been given over to others that did, indeed, criss-cross the area with pathways and build raised beds.


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            • Sol Man

              A small bit of research shows that George Washington picked and ate the plants that grew between the rows that his slaves had planted. And why not? Why have that area devoid of plant life that could be consumed?
              Maybe it won't work on a commercial farm with mechanized harvesters, but it works just fine in a home garden. The entire plot could be producing? Give Gaia a chance and see what she will provide between the rows! You have got everything to gain!


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              • Sol Man

                "The entire plot could be producing," is a statement, not a question.


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              • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

                The poodle/wolf comparison was meant to describe the genetic viability–and subsequent hardiness–of the plant. A poodle cannot survive long without human help…but a wolf will do just fine (as long as humans don't get in the way, haha).

                Being the outcast in that community plot situation is the thing you want to be. You are exactly doing the right thing, and in fact, you are way ahead of the others.

                Don't stop there! The techniques get even MORE incredible…for instance, consider that every footstep we take compacts soil and crushes plants, thus causing voids where nothing grows and soil becomes hardpack and exposed. To take this into account is to lay out or designate paths (as narrow as possible) and STRICTLY adhere to them. Never touch the ground if you don't need to.

                This method creates a situation whereby the human almost disappears from the landscape, allowing for maximum germination numbers (something only seeds, sown by the wild can achieve).

                Those in the community gardens don't realize that a "garden" is not a disignated area on a piece of land, but rather the land itself.

                The Garden of Eden has not been found because it is not ON Earth, it IS the Earth. The planet Earth is the garden of eden.

                Step lightly.

                They say he walked on water, but it was just a way of saying that stepped lighter than any other person…for he knew that below his feet were countless lives at the mercy of his trod…


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          • VanneV VanneV

            Thanks, MoonlightEmpire. I grow dandelions and mallow in my greenhouse gardens and eat them. My neighbor knew someone who was saved from starvation by mallow. It was all they had to eat. I grow purslane also, but where I live it shows up very late.


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      • have you tried Lemon Balm, just bought some. Supposed to be good to combat long term low level radiation…..


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    • Sol Man

      Changed forever… as well as every other aspect of the ecosystem.
      it is not just the radiation, but the frac voc's by the billions of gallons occupying near to the same space as the aquifers.


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  • "to cheap" …?

    I don't think so.
    IMO – The true cost can never be calculated in monetary amounts.

    What is making large chunks of our planet uninhabitable worth?

    What is contaminating our oceans worth?

    How can the DNA destruction, killing/murdering, of innocent life ever be calculated? It cannot!

    "German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who holds a doctorate in physical chemistry and therefore knows a thing or two about these matters, has persuaded her country to end its use of nuclear power completely." – NBC article

    On the other hand our POTUS says nothing, does nothing, regarding the largest catastrophic event in history. His silence, along with the rest of them, are all traitors to their mother. Mother Earth that is.

    Another Earth Day has come and gone.

    "May there be only peaceful and cheerful Earth Days to come for our beautiful Spaceship Earth as it continues to spin and circle in frigid space with its warm and fragile cargo of animate life."
    – UN Secretary-General U Thant (proclamation 1971)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day

    Earth Day Anthem (by William Wallace)
    Joyful joyful we adore our Earth in all its wonderment,
    Simple gifts of nature that all join into a paradise,
    Now we must resolve to protect her,
    Show her our love throughout all time,
    With our gentle hand and touch,
    We make our home a newborn world,…


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    500 Billion dollars is what everyone responsible would love to get away with. It's also a statement that completely minimizes the reality of the situation.

    The truth is, there is no monetary value that could that could reverse what has already been done. If a number must be applied to help people understand…then 500 Trillion wouldn't even get things to a point of "control".

    All the kings' horses and all the kings' men…

    The monetary value should not, however, discourage immediate action. There are many things that can be done…they will just have to be done at the cost of lives.

    But even then, some things are easy. Build a massive break-water around the plant immediately. There is no excuse for not doing AT LEAST this. The situation at the plant is catastrophic, but will become unimaginable if another tsunami (even a small wave) was to hit that coast.

    There is so much that can be done for mitigation.

    Remove all fuel from the Daiichi and Daiini sites immediately, while preparing for the removal of all nuclear fuel materials and wastes from the island of Japan.

    That work alone would make for 100% global employment for quite some time.


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    • Bones Bones

      I love your post. Thank you. Much to be done yet. It is NOT over and NEVER will be. If the American Revolution proved anything, it is that we can never let our guard down and allow those with false promises of "making us safe" or "for the children" or "anything FREE" from charlatans. The fight for true justice will never end. Complacency in America has led us to this point. I can't speak for Japan, but I assume it's the same just through different social norms. Nothing in life is free. lol Wasn't that how nuclear power was pushed? Virtually free energy?


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      • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

        Haha, yes, the truth–though sometimes shocking–is often very inspiring.

        As we all move forward, we must remain vigilant that we do not repeat the follies of the past. One small example is that environmental problems cannot be fixed by any tool or method that causes ANY environmental damage. To do so is to again be tricked. Sub-Example: You can't "cure/de-contaminate" soil by burning fossil fuel to shred away the skin of the earth, pack it in synthetic-fiber bags, level a forest, and build a rad-mountain.

        And yes, in essence, nothing is free…but remember that some things are damn close. For instance, in order for me to "love", I need only enough food and water to remain alive.

        Keep 'em comin' Bones.


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    • We Not They Finally

      NO ONE can "remove all nuclear fuel and waste materials" from contaminated sites. That's been part of the problem since the 1940's.

      But they do need to stop LYING or NOTHING will be done.


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  • Nick

    Hibakusha

    The survivors of the atomic bombs dropped on 8/6 and 9/1945 experienced societal shunning.

    Japan cannot wrap it's head around the fact that millions of it's citizens are now Fukushima Hibakushas.

    In my family, it is painful to discuss the Fukushima Fiasco. A part of my family history is intertwined with Japan.

    I remember my grandfather telling us the story of the day he realized that he was not Japanese (he was 5 years old). He said he wept. His parents lived in Tokyo for 41 years (1900-1941), catching the last boat out of Yokohama harbor in August of 1941.

    Radiation is an invisible foe, best kept away from the biosphere. Unfortunately, humans think they can just ignore it and hope for the best.

    Believe me, the worst is yet to come. We are only at the beginning of a dreadful nightmare.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    When in fact the masses should already be moving past ..disgust ..on to ..great sorrow.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Too bad the Queen didn't lob Bill Gates head off when she knighted him.
    This nightmare has been ongoing for me since I discovered and then was verified having skull cancer. Things have been a bit south since. Even tho I am 'cancer free'. I had to be out in a strong wind yesterday due to a cruel and inhuman act. If I got yet another fuel flea, I hope it kills me this time! The taste of 'metal' is in the wind.


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  • Hot and Bothered Hot and Bothered

    Good morning! Here is a grim ditty for you all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuMj6ioMflY


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Field of Hope..now that is a funny one…all Hope appears to be lost. :(


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Surely we have lost all discipline, but kinda groovy.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Just another day in Paradise.. :)
      "i think you all may have something with this guillotine idea. i now cast my lot with the guillotiners."

      I had a similar incident 25 years ago, but I took full control of the situation immediately. :( Of course I am 6'0, 235 pounds of big man. Not many will mess with me or my thoughts.


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  • Angela_R

    Another Still Troubling Nuclear Waste site, this time in the South Pacific:
    "France carried out 193 nuclear tests on these two atolls from 1966 to 1996. 41 atmospheric and 137 underground tests, with a further 15 "safety trials"

    "More than 3,200 tonnes of various types of radioactive waste was tipped into the Pacific, sinking to depths exceeding 1000 metres off the Coast of Mururoa and Hao island. In February last year, the defence ministry admitted that it was possible that part of Mururoa atoll might cave in, sapped by the underground tests. A landslide could lead to radioactive material by the underground tests. A landslide could lead to radioactive matter currently enclosed in rock being released into the sea."
    http://overseasreview.blogpot.com.au/2012/02/france-urged-to-clean-up-deadly-waste.html

    Chance of Radioactive Tsunami
    "Mr. Oldham said if the atoll were to collapse, radioactive material would be released into the Pacific Ocean and could cause a 15 metre tsunami." http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/mururoa-atoll-could-collapse-report-kept-secret-for-2-years-277717.html


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      It's already contaminated..everywhere and that is exactly what they all wanted and desired from the get go of this Nuclear Folly! :(

      They knew all these manmade machines would eventually break down and spew this crap all over the world. :(

      They did not care, since the bank made at all turns..was huge.. and directly taken from the tax payers by force and rate payers in unison… :(


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    • Angela_R

      yes Sadie.

      "The UK has the biggest stockpile of plutonium in the world
      and it is all stored at Sellafield."
      "A record number of radioactive particles have been found on beaches near the Sellafield nuclear plant in North West England.

      "Despite the controversy that surrounds the plant there are plans to build new reactors at Sellafield.
      ttp://rt.com/news/sellafield-uk-radioactive-plutonium-843/

      I am again relinking to the 10 most radioactive places in the world, Sellafield is listed as No. 6. The picture shown demonstrates how close the plant is to houses and shows the spewing chimneys. Read the caption near the young girl.
      https://climateviewer.com/2013/11/24/10-most-radioactive-places-on-earth/

      It also appears that Sellafield may be included on a new map, within the exploration areas for fracking for unconventional gas.


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  • Angela_R

    Sellafield sends 'largest' waste shipment to Japan.
    "The consignment of 132 cannisters was a by-product from Japanese reactors which was sent to the UK for reprocessing during the 1980s and 1990s."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk.england-cumbria-27129418


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    THIS NUCLEAR DISASTER IS ONLY BEGINNING . . .

    Lives will be shortened (( for no reason )).

    We have unlimited power from sun and wind.

    Lets use it.


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    • PaciFistic PaciFistic

      TheBigPicture…….back in the 60s, Marshall McLuhan gave us big ideas like "the medium is the message" and "the global village," and we saw shots of this 6/11 event from '63:

      http://i.imgur.com/lc7z8

      Cognitive dissonance, yes, but our Unconscious is fully tuned in.

      Every single person's connected, but why an individual can't 'cognitively' connect the dots, or can't listen or see, they might not be ready to say…we mustn't force them.

      Basically it's fear; they can't go there. Those who are past fear may get ready to consciously take leave, quietly without pain when it's time (how much is left?).

      A colour paper photo of that event I have from 50 yrs ago, it's an inspiration, an indication of our potential to be able depart under our own power. Mind you, practice will make perfect.

      We don't know exactly how it'll be. Climate totally out of whack. Arctic ice gone, Greenland/Antarctica melting at a great clip. Global food/water crisis in full force. Various systems at some stage of disorder/collapse, like int'l finance/economy, aging infrastructures, etc. Internet highly restricted. Civil disobedience, so some form of martial law in operation. A major war highly possible. Lately the north magnetic pole has shifted west at a much higher rate than previously, indicating abnormal movement in the earth's core. Expect geophysical disruption on a unseen scale. And things'll be hotter than hot, radioactively.

      That's my large view…


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        have to say, PaciFistic, that incident affected me than any-other, in those days. His lone 'sacrifice' caused me to understand more about this world than I'd have realized. I'm still in tears…


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        • PaciFistic PaciFistic

          AFTERSHOCK….is that why you're thus monikered? I too have known shock(s). One very big. A godsend cuz it taught me so much I could never have known otherwise. Mind you, would not wish to redo.

          The "lone 'sacrifice'"…must check some time…think he was around 63, coincidentally. No zombie, he struck the match.

          Entire matter is profound food for thought, incl. "about this world." He was doing it partly for more freedom for his kind. Also for a world with more tolerance. More than ever it was proof this world of dreams and pain was a grand illusion. One might think he could easily have been humming "I want the whole world to know, I'm feeling no pain..," so nonchalant he was (you might recall the ditty).

          I too felt the 'sacrifice' of his act. It was a repeat of 33 AD but fully voluntary, yet there was the force of historical compulsion behind it. For his time and his nation; also now for our time and for mankind. Satya Sai Baba may have performed feats of true magic, but most of us could never be quite sure.

          In the case of this sacrifice, we're given a stark example beyond Sai Baba and 33 AD. This itself may sound shocking and heretical, but it's a matter of recognizing & realizing what we're seeing. Undeniable proof of the potential for total human freedom, indeed, Liberation, an act for the benefit of the brotherhood of man, because it showed we all have the potential to be united in this freedom.

          That is truly awesome.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            what impressed me more than anything, PaciFistic, was the message he was sending to the world; that moral commitment stands above personal gain.

            The world has forever lauded its fabled war heroes. It celebrates the warrior who throws himself upon the grenade to save his fellow comrade in arms. Unlike those who resort to violence, he sought change without imposing his will upon others. The modern world was never prepared for the this monk…


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            • PaciFistic PaciFistic

              Getting past the shock factor, yes, absolutely, the message was one highlighting moral commitment.

              As for personal gain, well, the photographer managed to garner the World Press Photo of the Year award, as well as a Pulitzer Prize.

              My take is that this monk (who btw was around 65) and the photographer had a date mandated by fate; their roles were determined.

              And here we are, as a result 50 years later, discussing that event. At this time, however, no one is going to be self-immolating over Fukushima, because it's something that has no fix. That's the difference.

              Rather, I see in his act now a message, or demonstration, of how one can be released from seemingly inextricable circumstances, if one so chooses and has the required capacity and developed the means. Of course the message/lesson is available independent of that historic event.

              It's multidimensional and there for our benefit. The meaning is not that it has to be an ordeal by fire. The method has been used throughout the ages. Just that our modern era is for the most part oblivious of it.

              In the coming years we will be forced between a rock and hard place. We're here already. Physical materialistic and dualistic ways will not see us through this impasse.

              The way in part will be governed by composure and peace, in part by energy and consciousness, and so forth.


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      • Angela_R

        Yes to that PaciFistic and more,

        "And things'll be hotter than hot"
        reminds me of 'and the elements being intensely hot, will melt'

        This song may not be everyone's cup of tea, and the title "We're the Voice" means no harm. The line I particularly like is "We're not going to live in silence, we're not going to live in fear." I see that that is how most people here have feed their spirit.

        So, as you listen, let your spirit rise not to fight, but to unite in hope.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqaD0E1_t4


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        • PaciFistic PaciFistic

          Angela_R…..thanks, but sorry, bad connection, can't get YouTube, webcasts, audio clips, video clips.

          Enough to connect here, though, so gratitude for that!

          Btw, basically, like Pluto, you're invisible, right?

          One difference, you cast a shadow on the wall, like a Hiroshima hibakusha!


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  • dosdos dosdos

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201404230062

    Niigata governor: State must stop lying about nuclear safety standards


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  • J.

    Slightly off topic: another good reason that NPPs can never be made safe:

    http://rt.com/news/154140-asteroid-explosion-earth-atmosphere/

    City-killer asteroids are far more common that astronomers had realized.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    "We are like butterflies who flutter for a day and think it's forever." – Carl Sagan


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Where is the line? We all need to get into this line right away, since there will be billions wanting in this line too, very soon. :(


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  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    There was nothing ever like "Biblical Devastation", not even now.


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  • Fukushimad is Revelation

    χάλαζα the Greek word translated as HAIL can also mean lump or tubercle, as in tumors mixed with fire and blood inside of creatures. Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

    ὄρος the Greek word translated as MOUNTAIN can mean a mountainous region, district, sector, precinct, parish as in Fukushima prefecture has been pouring(an alternative word meaning for was cast) hundreds of thousands of pounds of contaminated water into the pacific each day for over 1100 days. Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

    Revelation 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man, and every living soul died in the sea.

    Ezekiel 39:6 I will send fire on Magog and upon those who dwell securely in the coastlands, and they shall know, understand, and realize that I am the Lord [the Sovereign Ruler, Who calls forth loyalty and obedient service].


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