New Analysis: Radiation levels “much greater” than anything expected from Fukushima says Navy expert — 2,500 pCi/m³ of particulate detected; Would be several times higher if gases included — CNN: Do the experts know everything that went on at Fukushima? (VIDEO)

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Nextgov, Feb. 19, 2014: The USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier experienced radiation levels 30 times above normal while its crew conducted disaster relief operations off the coast of Japan in March 2011 […] according to a new analysis published on Monday. […] Reagan crewmen filed an amended lawsuit […] The suit also charged that sailors aboard the Reagan “have been and will be required to undergo further medical testing, evaluation and medical procedures, including but not limited to chelation therapy, bone marrow transplants and/or genetic reprogramming.”

CNN’s Jake Tapper, Feb. 19, 2014: […] the cases are heart-breaking. Lindsay Cooper and Kim Gieseking [have] debilitating thyroid issues. Thomas McCants […] was diagnosed with leukemia, he told CNN. […] Navy Officer Steve Simmons […] lost all control of his legs. […] The Reagan also sailed through the post meltdown nuclear plume for hours leading to a thorough decontamination. […] That account fits with prior reporting by CNN’s Bill Weir who tried to get on the ship for a story, and was waived off by commanders citing radiation concerns. […]  So what is the reason dozens of sailors and Marines exposed to radiation are having these health problems? Does the Navy, and do these experts know everything that went on at Fukushima?

Asia-Pacific Journal, Temple University Japan Professor Kyle Cleveland, Feb. 17, 2014:

  • MR. MUELLER, USS Ronald Reagan: […] we were 100 nautical miles away […] it’s about 30 times what you would detect just on a normal air sample out at sea […] we thought based on what we had heard on the reactors that we wouldn’t detect that level even at 25 miles. So it’s much greater than what we had thought. We didn’t think we would detect anything at 100 miles. […] If it were a member of the general public, it would take — well, it would take about 10 hours to reach a [Protective Action Guidelines] limit […] it’s a thyroid dose issue.
  • DANIEL PONEMAN, Deputy Secretary at U.S. Dept. of Energy: Okay, but the net of all this is that the amount of release that is detected by these two episodes whatever you would call them, is significantly higher than anything you would have expected […]
  • MUELLER: Yes sir. The number specific number we detected was 2.5 the times 10 to the minus nine microcuries per milliliter [2.5 x 10^-9 uCi/ml = 2.5 pCi/L or 2,500 pCi/m^3] , airborne, and that’s particulate airborne.

Nature, May 2013: “Mean fractions of gaseous phase 131I were relatively constant with distance, with mean gaseous fraction 80.4% [19.6% particulate]”

The above conversation was first reported by Lucas Hixson of Enformable.com in March 2012

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60 comments to New Analysis: Radiation levels “much greater” than anything expected from Fukushima says Navy expert — 2,500 pCi/m³ of particulate detected; Would be several times higher if gases included — CNN: Do the experts know everything that went on at Fukushima? (VIDEO)

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Yes, CNN Fukushima did make the sailors sick, and teh ocean sick, and the whole Northern Hemisphere sick…and where was CNN and all the rest of the press corps while the world has been poisoned continuously since 3/1/2011?

    Time to speak up Jake, and earn your press credentials.

    • bluetick

      please listen very carefully

      CNN IS NOT NEWS THEY ARE NEWS ENTERTAINMENT

      entertainment is just that, not truth not facts just about your viewing enjoyment…

    • rogerthat

      CNN's Jake Tapper: ''Does the Navy, and do these experts know everything that went on at Fukushima?''
      Of course they do. However, the general public knows almost nothing about the biggest catastrophe in the history of man. That is because in the three years since it began no-one in the mainstream media has been prepared to report on it, or investigate, or ask even the simplest of questions. However, do not despair, there is plenty of time; this story has only just begun, and will be with us, in growing intensity, until hell freezes over.

      • Graham Brimhall RadRainMan

        Rogerthat Roger, now they're forced to start reporting on this catastrophe, in large part, because of what ENENEWS has done. Not to mention the energy of everyone else out here who has felt and known the truth about this thing since it began. Our awareness is a very powerful.

        It is absolutely pitiful how these truths have been hidden from so many and it will be interesting to see how the mainstream machine plays this all out in the coming months.

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    80.4% [19.6% particulate] That level of particulate vaporized fuel must just take the legs right out from under you…

  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

    They KNEW the levels were DANGEROUSLY HIGH at least from the helicopter air filters from the airships used around Japan for op. Tomodachi. They had solid verifiable evidence it WAS BAD. So what's their excuse? Well the Army wasn't talking to the Navy and the Navy wasn't talking to the Air Force… Enough! It's irrelevant anyway. They had COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY! Look it up.

  • FallOut FallOut

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes. So, again, just to repeat, we believe pool No. 4 is dry, and we believe one of the other pools is potentially structurally damaged?

    CHUCK CASTO: That’s correct.

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay. And again –

    CHUCK CASTO: That’s the best we know.

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes.

    CHUCK CASTO: And we certainly know, I think we absolutely know that pool No. 4, though, the walls have collapsed –

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay.

    CHUCK CASTO: — on pool No. 4.

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: And again, because I’m going to get asked the question, where’s that coming from. I’m going to say it’s from a team that is in Japan that is embedded that is working closely with the Japanese utility and the Japanese regulatory agency, is that correct?

    CHUCK CASTO: Correct.

    NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay. That’s all I need.

    • FallOut FallOut

      Operational Safety of Spent Nuclear Fuel Argonne

      •When the water level falls to the top of the fuel racks, natural circulation stops and water heat-up begins.

      •When the water is at the bottom of the fuel, say about the 20% level, the steaming rate is probably
      insufficient to cool the rest of the assembly, and air circulation is not possible. So fuel assemblies that may be safe in air are likely to melt with a low water level.

      o Water temperatures will rise and boiling will eventually occur in the hotter assemblies.

      o Water will flow along the bottom the pool from cooler assemblies to hotter assemblies.

      o Boil-off will occur and water levels will drop—probably over the time scale of hours.

      o As the levels drop, steam from the boil-off will cool the uncovered parts of the fuel.

      o At some point, the rising steam will be insufficient to cool the uncovered fuel and clad temperatures will rise until they reach the “ignition” point.

      o Where is this level? Detailed calculations are needed. Experts suggest that it is somewhere between 20 and 80% of assembly height, possibly around the mid-point.

      http://www-ns.iaea.org/downloads/ni/…ear%20Fuel.pdf

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    PEOPLE IN NORTH AMERICA WILL BE NEXT . .

    Watch for the symptoms in family, relatives and friends.

  • name999 name999

    John F. Kennedy addressing the opening session of the United Nations General Assembly, 1961…

    "Today, every inhabitant of this planet must contemplate the day when this planet may no longer be inhabitable. Every man, woman and child lives under a nuclear sword of Damocles, hanging by the slenderest of threads, capable of being cut at any moment by accident or miscalculation or madness.
    The weapons of war must be abolished before they abolish us."

    • FallOut FallOut

      By the early ’60s, the program had collected well over a quarter-million teeth, and ultimately found that children in St. Louis in 1963 had 50 times more Sr-90 in them than children born in 1950. Armed with preliminary results from this survey and a petition signed by thousands of scientists worldwide, Dr. Commoner successfully lobbied President John F. Kennedy to negotiate and sign the Partial Test Ban Treaty, halting atmospheric nuclear tests by the US, UK and USSR. By the end of the decade, strontium-90 levels in newly collected baby teeth were substantially lower than the ’63 samples.

      The initial survey, which ended in 1970, continues to have relevance today. Some 85,000 teeth not used in the original project were turned over to researchers at the Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP) in 2001. The RPHP study, released in 2010, found that donors from the Baby Tooth Survey who had died of cancer before age 50 averaged over twice the Sr-90 in their samples compared with those who had lived past their 50th birthday.

      http://capitoilette.com/tag/john-f-kennedy/

      • Fall out man!

        Great post, thanks. (good choice of name too)
        Related to that fallout/cancer link, are a host of other diseases, which the general public don't necessarily link to contamination. Chernobyl made it very clear that in some sense the focus on cancer is a deliberate side track. If someone does have internal contamination with fall out, then heart disease, and stroke are most likely to kill them before cancer can. That said, typically Cesium is blamed for heart and circulatory system damage rather than Strontium. So I wonder whether they looked at what other diseases people were more likely to die of after Strontium exposure, apart from just cancer.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Instead the military industrial complex abolished JFK. 🙁

    • SadieDog

      "I think that is a disaster that is so unprecedented, it is beyond imagination and, therefore, it is beyond the Japanese ability to respond. I don’t believe that California beaches are unsafe to visit now, but across time we are going to have more and more concentration of radionuclides along the Pacific coast and people out there with their Geiger counters detecting higher radiation levels, they are going to demand some accountability and transparency. And eventually, we are going to get there, but obviously there is a considerable resistance. And then, there are the economic implications for seafood, for Japan’s economy. There are lots of reasons for not full transparency on this issue."

      • rogerthat

        More from Majia Nadesan, Associate Dean of New College, Arizona State University: ''The thing about the seafood is that not all fish is going to be contaminated. But who is to know which are contaminated and which are not, because there is no adequate testing. There needs to be widespread testing.''

        Governments and scientests and experts and other, ha ha, inquiring minds better hurry up with that testing, while there is still something left in the oceans to test, don't you think? Full marks to Ms Nadesan for adding her voice to those calling for testing.

        • Story definitely needs to be edited!

          They created a rush transcript from a radio interview today.

          The phone connection during our interview was so full of static that the actual audio segment couldn't be aired.

          I think the Russians are very interested in an international cooperative effort to stabilize plant (if that is possible).

          I wonder how long before other influential countries realize that we are only through the opening act of Fukushima, and worse is yet to come….

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Hi Sadiedog…glad to see you are back.

  • jackassrig

    #fallout
    "•When the water is at the bottom of the fuel, say about the 20% level, the steaming rate is probably
    insufficient to cool the rest of the assembly, and air circulation is not possible. So fuel assemblies that may be safe in air are likely to melt with a low water level."

    Thermal conductivity of water k = .383 BTU / (hr-ft^2-degF / ft) @ 200 degF

    Thermal conductivity of water vapor k = .0136 BTU / (hr-ft^2-degF / ft) @ 212 degF

    Water vapor's ability to transfer heat about 3.5% of water. There is no way the heat can be moved at the rate needed with water vapor. These psychopath's know this. Once the water is gone kaput, finish.

    • FallOut FallOut

      But, but, but ….

      How did the new core in #4 stay cool the hottest bundle of rods on the entire site ?

      " NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes. So, again, just to repeat, we believe pool No. 4 is dry, and we believe one of the other pools is potentially structurally damaged?

      CHUCK CASTO: That’s correct. "

    • FallOut FallOut

      In the case of absence of cooling, a time period ranging from a few hours to several hours (i.e., “grace period”) is needed to produce the lack of cooling conditions that damages the fuel bundles; the duration of the “grace period” depends, other than by the dimension of the pool (fixed and equal in the case of Units 1 to 4), upon the number of fuel bundles installed, their (average-equivalent) burn-up, and the period between the time of beginning-of-stay and the time of lack of cooling.

      Reference “grace period” duration is ten hours; this is a short time compared with the overall-equivalent time of the lack-of or of inadequate cooling (in the case of Fukushima, this is estimated as several days; see the following).

      Analysis performed by Pacific Northwest Laboratory (PNL) indicates that, for the case of a single fuel assembly lying in the bottom of a dry refueling canal, exposure levels on the order of 10,000 R/hr on the operating deck at the extreme edge of the canal are possible.

      Extrapolation of the PNL analysis indicates a potential general radiation level on the order of 100 to 500 R/hr on the operating deck due to reflection from the containment dome

      http://enformable.com/2012/06/nuclear-engineer-identifies-mechanism-for-potential-catastrophic-drain-down-of-fukushima-unit-4-spent-fuel-pool/2/

      • FallOut FallOut

        Where Did the Water in the Spent Fuel Pools Go?

        A second possible cause of the low water levels is that the pools at Units 2, 3, and 4 all developed significant leaks. Some reports said that a leak was suspected in the pool of Unit 4 and possibly in Unit 3. This analysis suggests that all three pools may be developed leaks.

        Dave Lochbaum has suggested a common failure mode for leaks in the spent fuel pools. Large doors in the side of the pools are equipped with rubber tubes that are inflated to seal around the door. Even if these seals were not damaged, without power to run the pumps that keep the seals inflated, they can lose air over time and create leaks around the door. Such leaks may not show up immediately since it could take some time for the seals to lose air pressure.

        The pumps for these seals currently do not have backup power so leaks of this kind can result from an extended loss of power from the grid. This is a vulnerability of this type of plant design that could happen elsewhere, including at a number of plants in the the US, and needs to be addressed.

        http://allthingsnuclear.org/where-did-the-water-in-the-spent-fuel-pools-go/

        • nedlifromvermont

          a lot of it must have sloshed out from the intense shaking …

          No baffles on the Fool Pools ….

          Why fool pools so close to reactor vessel head???

          Because the design was lifted from a submarine ….

          No chance for greater separation in a submarine …. these things are kind of skinny!

          Reason to upgrade submarine reactor design for land based, hugely increased in size, civilian power reactors?

          General Electric was stupid, greedy and cheap. And they knew they could bully their way around US Government and AEC/NRC … because they were a prime subcontractor to the Manhattan Project and had lots of dirty money on hand.

          They forced the issue, and they have spent not one red cent fixing this.

          Other than all the bogus and humbug advertising they are doing on Olympics with the weepy child claiming "My Mom works at GE."

          Oh yeah, little girl? Well my Dad was a prison guard at Ausschwitz you perty little thang!

    • SadieDog

      "It's not that Japan was behind the standards of the rest of the world, or that the Japanese regulators or [Fukushima Daiichi operator] TEPCO was especially inept. They’re on par with everyone else," David Lochbaum says, who is also one of the authors of the new book "Fukushima: The Story of a Nuclear Disaster."

  • Jebus Jebus

    CNN: Do the experts know everything that went on at Fukushima?

    wow

    One hot, mutating by the moment, potato…

    The media was all over it at first. Then Shhh!

    CBS/AP March 18, 2011, 3:31 PM
    Japan's TEPCO confirms power flow to nuke plant

    "Nuclear experts have been saying for days that Japan was underplaying the crisis' severity."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/japans-tepco-confirms-power-flow-to-nuke-plant/

    It's crazy, the only ones who don't know, don't want to know…

    wow…

    It's right there in front of everyone. It's blasting at everyone, like a firehose, straight on. Three fucking years of full on ecological catastrophe. The ones who can do anything, just lie. The ones who see and speak, are ignored. The rest just, um well, they just accept it.

    cricket, cricket, cricket…

    wow

    • FallOut FallOut

      Keep " bombing " other popular forums & social media with ENE updates –

    • dosdos dosdos

      I remember one report from Tokyo, Japan, where a CNN reporter pooh-poohed people using geiger counters and similar detection meters because they didn't exhibit accumulative exposure like exposure badges, essentially called them worthless. The guy was an idiot. Any device that tells you to seek shelter and wash down immediately because the radiation levels are too high for one's health is not worthless. I didn't see any on the scene news releases that were intelligent. There were a few credible advisors in the studio, but they disappeared soon enough.

    • rogerthat

      The cams are worth a spot as a separate TV channel, flip across while the ads are on to catch up on the latest from the ever-unfolding Fukushima light show. Watch those beams stretch and dance, catch the amazing colours, groove on the amazing sparkles.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Sadly we have all seen the demon and there is no stopping it now and they all know it.. 🙁 Smile! 🙂

      • Jebus Jebus

        Waking up is hard to do…

        It can go either way.

        Someone's going to catch the tater soon.

        Someone's going to blink and whistle, before it's too late.

        Look around you, the stand is looming.

    • Jebus Jebus

      Looming… the question is the answer.

      m-o-o-n

      Radiation does things to you.

      Look around you. It's a mess.

      It could go either way…

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    "Medical experts are skeptical of the connection."

    Some real reporting there. Dumbasses.

  • weeman

    It's not getting any better is it, why do you think I am here?
    You cannot have three rouge reactors and thousands of spent fuel rods in various states of condition and no containment and have no ramifications, that is a given, never mind no explanation on unit 4, the real mystery.
    When is it going to end probably never, that is the scary part, I am not saying this is a ELE, I don't honestly know, but the writting is on the wall and without malice of thought.
    I know that if mankind continues on this path it is a evolutionary dead end and I mean dead, no more, cease to exist and I will try to enlighten this to the end of my days.
    It is my duty and try to understand that and I do it because my conscience tells me to.
    Power to the people, it's our stage.

    • nedlifromvermont

      You go you weeman!!!

      Love your spirit. I feel the same.

      Come here to find my voice, sharpen my message and lend encouragement to the 'newsers.

      We'll be fighting this dragon till we die. It's for sure.

      We fight together.

      peace!

  • Shaker1

    But, Oh!…Do I Cry (Fukushima)

    The technical aspects fascinate
    the other character with whom I share my life.
    But, oh!…Do I cry!

    Myself and my companion
    lead a life steeped in possibility,
    pushing its road deep into the wilderness.
    But we are one and alone,
    and I temper his spirit,
    dreadfully aware that probability as failure,
    like a pet tiger cub, accompanies.
    Seemingly innocent and 'cute'
    that we might smile at its leaps
    into spaces vacated by our footsteps following,
    that tiger will become eventually
    full-grown and strong,
    hardly a partner requiring
    a turn of the head to entice along.
    Its elegant, self-assured stride beside us
    will give little evidence of its tolerance and whim.
    We attempt to keep exposure to ourselves.

    The tigers are native to possibility,
    proliferate in the wilderness.
    Many with little respect violate their space,
    lead great expeditions that require multiple others,
    the willed and unwilling,
    the informed and ignorant.
    We come upon the bones and bodies
    lonely and unattended.
    Their countless secrets whisper at approach,
    a lesson we already know
    from our poetic and less terminal encounters.

    Hardly shamed of the technical fascination,
    my inner companion questioned, answers:
    "But, oh! Do I cry!"
    Sharing one heart, I knew, but had to ask.
    Our tiger admonishes:
    create no more secrets.
    My power now has permanent testament.

  • bremsstrahlung bremsstrahlung

    Hello all.
    I am not an expert but I have an idea.
    If they built a giant valve to divert some of the kool-aid flow going to CNN, would that help cool off the 'partial' meltdowns ?
    …must be tons of kool-aid.

    What is the boiling point off kool-aid anyway ?

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