New docs show iodine-131 contamination was 350% of highest amount reported: 54,100 Bq/kg in spinach 100 km from Fukushima (FOIA)

Published: February 16th, 2012 at 12:52 pm ET
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Title: I-131 and Cs levels Up to 54,100 Bq/kg in open field produce 100 km from Fukushima
Source: Enformable
Date: Feb 15, 2012

Press release, Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, Japan March 20, 2011
Results of Radioactivity Measurements of Foods (Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Accident)

Measurements of radioactivity in foods were performed by the prefectural authorities. The results of the measurements are as attached.

[...]

Results of Measurement by Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries

March 20, Analyzed by National Institute of Agro-Environmental Science (Sampled March 18)

Hitachi City Spinach (Open field)

54,100 I-131 (Bq/kg) 1,931 Cs-134/-137 (Bq/kg)
25,200 I-131 (Bq/kg) 1,105 Cs-134/-137 (Bq/kg)

[...]

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SOURCE: Enformable

Title: Radiation discovered in Fukushima, Ibaraki foods
Source: Yomiuri
Date: Mar 21, 2012

[...] The maximum permissible levels for vegetables are 2,000 Bq of radioactive iodine and 500 Bq of radiocesium.

In Ibaraki Prefecture, radioactive iodine was detected from spinach sampled from farms in Hitachi, Takahagi, Hitachi-Ota and Hitachinaka cities and the town of Daigomachi and the village of Tokaimura. The highest level found was 15,020 Bq, 7.5 times the permissible level. [...]

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110 comments to New docs show iodine-131 contamination was 350% of highest amount reported: 54,100 Bq/kg in spinach 100 km from Fukushima (FOIA)

  • Bobby1

    Ron et al (1998) "Cancer Mortality Following Treatment for Adult Hyperthyroidism" found that the highest rate of thyroid cancer deaths, by far, occurred 1-4 years after exposure to I-131. These cancer deaths will start showing up in earnest very soon.


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      Thanks for that find, Bobby1 (disturbing, though it may be). :-(

      In regards to the spinach being tested and showing high amounts of cesium (and who knows what else is there that they DONT test for…):

      I had a random thought about this: Do you think the spinach is usually test vs. Other leafy greens like lettuce because of its iron content? In other words, would the iron in spinach attract and bind heavy metal isotopes more readily than other greens with less or no iron content?

      I'd love to know. Either way, makes you think twice about eating spinach these post-Fuku days, huh?


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      • What-About-The-Kids

        Opps. Though the article here is discussing the high results for I-131 in spinach tests, most of the tests done on spinach we've been reading about over these past 11 months both in Japan and at UC Berkeley were also for cesium, I believe, since it has a much longer (30 year) half life. So that is why I mentioned cesium in my comment above.

        Either way, my question still stands. Is the iron found in spinach acting like a magnet and attracting fallout? Curious minds want to know… ;-)


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      • What-About-The-Kids

        Just saw the mangled sentence above (gotta love texting keyboards!) ;-)

        The sentence should have said: "Do you think the spinach is usually tested for radioisotopes vs. testing of other leafy greens like lettuce due to its iron content?"


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        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          Don't have time to explain, but you should look for vegetables with high concentrations of "oxalic acid." Google oxalic acid, look for w/ vegetables. As I was researching this, NHK was playing in the background, and they just mentioned that Japan is using oxalic acid to offset radiation. I was thinking of this because people with, or in anger of acquiring, osteoporosis are advised against eating veggies which are high in oxalic acid because they leech calcium out of the bones. I'll try to post more later. Got to run.


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          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            Oxalic Acid leeches certain elements, such as calcium, out of the body. NHK said Japanese authorities are using oxalic acid to absorb radioactive cesium (they may have mentioned more, but I'm not sure). So, you are quite correct in seeing a connection between spinach and radioactivity. Spinach has just about the highest concentration of oxalic acid. If you look up the list of vegetables highest in oxalic acid, it should give you an idea which veggies would be most susceptible to radioactivity.

            typo (in above post): danger, not anger.


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            • What-About-The-Kids

              Thanks so much, Dharmasyd and all. Now I'm even more confused. ;-D LOL

              To paraphrase the Bard: "To eat, or not to eat. That is the question!" ;-P

              Seriously, what a person (and a parent!) to do?

              Taking supplements like calcium and iron might help fend off the build up of calcium-mimicing, bone-seeking strontium and iodine might prevent too much of the radioactive version building up in your thyroid, but what about cesium or any of the others that might be present in food and water, but which no one tests for? ("Shhh! If we don't test for it, people won't suspect its there!")

              Anne's "do it yourself" of "grow your own food" seems safest, if one is prepared to do this. I could see a coop approach, in which members set the growing standards (much like organics certification practices), but with the addition of citizen-run rad testing (the testing equipment can be costly, but if everyone in the coop pitched in, it would help cover the cost. Much more reliable to utilize the high end testing equipment rather than using the geiger counter method, which is limited to what results you can get…)

              Just some thoughts. Perhaps some citizens in Japan have already begun something like this?


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Hi Dharmaysd,

              Do you have a reference for that? I'd like to read about it, thanks.


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      • Bobby1

        The spinach and other leafy greens get contaminated by having rain containing I-131 fall on the leaves. Root crops get contaminated by absorbing radionuclides from the soil – but the iodine has a short half-life. By the time the root crops are harvested and packaged the iodine has decayed away. So you are more likely to get internal exposure to iodine with green veggies than root crops like potatoes.

        Cesium is probably the opposite.


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        • Sickputer

          Excellent explanation! A nuclear scientist could not have been more concise.


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        • vital1

          Bobby1

          People think that because Iodine 131 has a half life of 8 days, it is safe after this. You have to multiply the half life of any isotope in question, by 10, to get any idea of the time frame it takes to decay to levels that maybe safe.

          So if it is I-131 it would take 80 days. The food could still have significant contamination by the time it gets to the supermarket and is sold to you!


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          • Bobby1

            vital1,

            This is true… but you also have to figure in contamination of tap water, which goes into all processed foods too. The ingredients might be radiation-free, but the end product could be contaminated.


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            • Sickputer

              Good point…remember the food scans last year before the Japanese motorcycle race and the Chilean apples had some cesium contamination. So even "clean" food imported can quickly gain carriers of radiation from air, dust, and water washing.

              BTW…what the hell happened to this thread? I was gone for 6 hours and tt went vegan versus beefeater in a hurry and my brain didn't want to process all that bickering.

              The enemy is >>>>> Thataway….not here on the list. Please stay on topic.


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        • VanneV anne

          How about for Strontium-90 and Cesium?


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          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            @Anne- NHK did mention cesium, specifically that oxalic acid was being used to absorb cesium. I did not hear mention of Strontium


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            • VanneV anne

              I seem to remember that Strontium 90 gets in the milk and then in your bones. So perhaps oxalic acid helps cesium, but it you are eating foods high in oxalic acid (I try to avoid oxalic acid) then the Strontium might get into your bones? It seems kind of complicated. Anyway, I grow and eat collard greens and dandelion greens and cabbage and cilantro, but not spinach. I also read somewhere that if you eat the greens raw, that the oxalic acid is not so bad. But someone on a blog here said that cooking helps, but I don't know that there is literature that supports this.


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          • Bobby1

            Wheat has an affinity for strontium. I'm trying, with difficulty, to exclude it from my diet, but I'm a wheat junkie. It doesn't mix with autoimmune diseases, even without radiation.


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            • alasanon

              really? I thought wheat was a safer bet for a while because wheat flour can store from prior harvests for over a year….

              I've been asked by friends about whether they can drink beer with no worries?? Hops are a form of wheat??

              I really thought that grains would be more viable for a while!!…

              The Fuku Diet….?:/

              p.s. Bobby, how have you been feeling lately in the Mid-Atlantic? I've had some coughing-could be the cold, or hot stuff? I'm not having a sore throat or anything.
              ..ok otherwise… However, I've noticed a number of ambulances lately at a fitness center, a Metro station, and tonight when passing a McDonald's restaurant… (can't say that MickeyD's would ever be the safest bet)…But, it just seems a little unusual to see that so many people are having such trouble in public places?????….

              Has anyone else noticed a greater number of ambulances picking up collapsed people lately????….hmmmm.


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            • What-About-The-Kids

              Bobby1, whoa, I hadn't heard that one…

              Now you got me thinking: could the rise in wheat allergies and celiac disease be due to Strontium in wheat?


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          • alasanon

            That's what I was thinking?? WHAT ABOUT THE STRONTIUM>???

            With the high concentrations of radioCesiums now being measured everywhere in Japan, can you imagine the levels of radioStrontiums??

            And they won't measure the Strontium!!! Go figure. I think that's going to be the even more secret killer…esp. for kids.


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            • Indeed, strontium is the bogeyman.

              Good friend went from winning 3rd place triathlon health to death in 6 month due to leukemia.

              Strontium causes leukemia. the bogeyman, the bone seeker.


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              • VanneV anne

                Plutonium also causes bone cancer. I posted the information on the studies done on the Mayak workers who were exposed to plutonium in the thread about Low Levels of Radiation. Also, one of the 26 workers exposed to plutonium during the Manhattan Project died of bone cancer. This was significant statistically because usually only 1 in 100 gets bone cancer.


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              • arclight arclight

                hi stock

                to follow that up this from the document that the nrc largly ignored when it drew up its advise post daichi

                "Radioactive strontium
                In addition to the two well-known
                radioactive elements, there are also other
                radioactive elements. Radioactive strontium,
                Strontium 90, is also mentioned for its
                adverse effect. Although there is no clear
                evidence that radioactive strontium is
                relating to carcinogenesis it is evidenced
                that radioactive strontium can induce
                genetic abnormality in lymphocyte (15).
                Hence, it might be the element with
                leukemogenesis property (15). Of interest,
                Mangano recently concluded that “The
                assumption that Sr-90 and childhood cancer
                are correlated is best supported for a
                supralinear dose-response, meaning the
                greatest per-dose risks are at the lowest
                doses” (16)"

                link in iran, so best you dont go there, i found it a painful, if necessary experience!

                heres one of the compilers

                V. Wiwanitkit*
                Wiwanitkit House, Bangkhae, Bangkok, Thailand 10160

                full document is not on any western servers i can find but you could contact the above if you need to!

                peace


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        • dharmasyd dharmasyd

          Rain contributes, but it's more than rain. See above


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      • Wreedles Wreedles

        Just fyi, the idea that spinach is an iron-rich superfood is a myth, caused by a misplaced decimal point in 1870. Spinach has no more iron than other dark green leafy vegetables, and what is does have isn't bioavailable, due to being bound into unabsorbable forms.

        http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/infosphere/spinach-how-a-data-quality-mistake-created-a-myth-and-a-cartoon-character-10166


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  • Manifesto of Why Shut Them All Down
    I discovered just how poorly these plants were being run and how poorly
    they were designed from the get-go. And then I discovered how one of
    the basic premises of risk control, separation of risks, was completely
    ignored. That being that the used fuel rods were the most dangerous
    part of the plant, but for "convenience" the most dangerous things were
    stored right next too or even RIGHT ON TOP OF the reactors themselves.

    This is done to conserve cost, if they were to ship off the
    rods to somewhere else, it would cost them money, however, they can just
    store them at their "approved nuclear facility" and thus just kick the
    can down the road — increasing current profits while increasing the
    potential disaster 100's of times over.
    THEN on top of that complete
    irresponsible behavior, the nuke operators also decided to not just
    stack the rods together with the original design spacing, but they
    decided to increase storage capacity by packing in the rods even
    tighter. What happens is that the closer they are, the more the
    neutrons from one rod affect and “excite” the neutrons from adjacent
    rods, and that is the whole process of nuclear fission is that neutron
    excitement, the whole process of control of nuclear processes is control
    of the neutrons and the material spacing.
    Well, so our nuclear
    scientists decided to stack the used rods even closer, and they ran some
    calculations that showed that if the spacing was smaller, and they used
    chemical laced water as a cooling fluid, along with a heat removal heat
    exchanger and an electrically operated pump to ensure continuous
    movement of the cooling water THEN all would be fine….they could run
    like that for decades until the used fuel “aged” became easier to deal
    with. IF all that occurred, and if it didn’t the used fuel pool
    would overheat, the water would boil off, and an uncontrolled nuclear
    reaction would occur, spewing forth even…


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  • spewing forth even more deadly radiation than from
    the original nuclear fission process used to BOIL WATER.
    When I
    found that out, I knew immediately that this whole industry has become
    corrupt and intellectually dishonest to the core so to speak. At
    Fukushima, they put the fuel tanks for the back up generators right on
    the ocean, probably for ease of refueling from a boat, but who cares the
    real reason, the bottom line is that very stupid decisions were made,
    and no one was effectively over seeing it.
    Nuclear is too strong
    for humans, humans cannot be trusted with this toy. Over time, greed,
    economic downturns, periods of bad government, periods of industry
    regulator ‘capture’, natural disasters, aging facilities, and ignorance
    and denial, all lead to an OBVIOUS CONCLUSION. Nuclear will wipe out
    and mutate our species unless we just say NO.

    http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/p/manifesto-why-shut-them-down.html


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    • Misitu

      Thanks stock, that analysis is so concise and reasonable, I would like to paraphrase it to borrow if and when I next go on a shill hunt away from this site, and would like to know do I have your permission to use the material in this way?

      Sincerely
      Misitu


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      • Misitu

        OK have found the blog with the source material. Will check in there for permission. M.


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        • My blog, you have permission. That is what I built the blog for…Troll Jousting.

          Educate the innocent bystanders.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Hey Stock, I think I may have found something meaty! Something you can use!

            Arclight posted on the PAG's (protective action guidelines) & the EPA wanting to change them. I'd read about their considering doing it, back in April or so. Mike Adams the Health Ranger had an article at his site. Then I didn't hear anything for months.

            So yesterday after seeing Arc's post, I went to the EPA site to see what I could find regarding the PAG's. I'd found the original 1992 PAG's and had gotten a copy.

            Well, yesterday when I went back, I found references to two sets of guidelines for interpreting and implementing the PAG's – coordinated by none other than the DOE! Put together by a group HMRAC (?) with studies done at Sandia Nat'l Labs and Los Alamos Nat'l Labs. DHS has oversight, too.

            I read several pages of the first document, and basically my "read" is these two sets of guidelines were posted so that the DOE can basically call the shots and trump the EPA's authority.

            So you don't need PAG's when DOE guidelines can be used to make an end run around the PAG's, right?

            Please have a look at the guidelines at the EPA site, and let me know what you think. I'm interested in knowing if your take on this is the same as mine.

            If so, it's RICH. It would explain why the EPA has DONE NOTHING to ensure food/milk safety, even though UC Berkeley found, for example, Cesium 137 levels recently that were over 150% of the EPA maximum allowable limit.

            It's helpful and instructive to recall the DOE resisted the ending of above ground nuclear weapons testing.

            I think I posted comments on the article discussing Cesium 137 and irreparable damage to children's hearts).

            'Hope this is a juicy tidbit you can use! It explained a lot, and was kind of a !bing light going off in my head experience. It was real revelation, although (sorry to say) no surprise.

            These people play dirty poker. They lie, cheat, and obfuscate in every way possible. They,…


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Anyway, Stock, if you see the original posts, and a response to Maija, it was much better written there. I think it explains a LOT in terms of why there isn't any action being taken, even though it has been known there have been high levels of contamination in some areas, in the U.S.

              Think I may have tied this in with the post on Paul Zimmerman's work, where he talks about the radiation exposure risk model" being unrealistic, and failing to predict (for example) cancers. The the model doesn't recognize the cancers that do develop, because they don't fit the parameters of what the model predicted. That is, the model fails to predict high numbers of cancers. When high numbers of cancers actually develop, they aren't recognized because they don't fit the predicted number of cases!

              We REALLY need to force a new model of expsoure and risk!

              Anyway, I hope it's News You Can Use.


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      • GoFrodo

        lol @ shillhunting!


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      • Spectrometising

        Got to agree Misitu. I want to quote some 'stock' on my facebook page also. Thanks for asking what i was thinking.


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    • What-About-The-Kids

      1000+!!!

      When I began my Nuclear Lessons 101 last year, I too learned these things. Two excellent primers which highlight how the entire nuclear industry was founded on LIES from DAY 1 are the BBC documentary "A is for Atom", done post-Chernobyl , found on YouTube, created by Adam Curtis. Here is a link to his blog on the BBC website that gives his personal account of the background for the documentary:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/03/a_is_for_atom.html

      and John Gofman's "Poisoned Power", found online at: http://www.ratical.com/radiation/CNR/PP

      Highly recommend both to those who haven't seen them yet!


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  • or-well

    Popeye ate spinach from Japan,
    Now he's got the hots
    in his bones and his glands,
    but not for his girl – sweet Olive Oyl,
    he can't give her a whirl
    because of isotopes in the soil,
    so he wants food imported
    but now it's too late –
    his male organ's distorted,
    he can't get a date,
    and his pal who likes burgers
    says "Popeye my friend,
    watch who you call Wimpy
    and please to me lend
    enough for a burger
    of iodine beef with cesium cheese,
    I'll repay you Tuesday -
    if I'm not dead
    from radiation disease."


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    Good Afternoon or-well!
    I posted "our" song a few days ago, and haven't seen you since.
    Good Lord, my brother, is it that bad?? lol
    Anyway, in case you haven't heard it, here it is, and thanks again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrfCiy5ly6s


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    • or-well

      PoorDaddy! CONGRATULATIONS!
      I love how you did it!
      Reminded me of Woody…
      Guthrie, not Woodpecker…
      (I'm in a cartoon state of mind today)
      And I REALLY liked the other two!
      Even better actually!
      I'm going to try and be more "copy-able" for minstrels such as yourself, if…I can just…get or-wells hands…OFF THE KEYBOARD…


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  • Keep in mind that Canadian government and also I think US has lifted all food imports from Japan. Also keep in mind that any prepared foodstuffs generally only say "produced in" whatever country but the source of the ingredients are not reported. Therefore I can import rice spinach and fish from Japan and make a Bento box frozen TV dinner and label it produced in Canada. The food imported from Japan will pass quality control here in Canada as long as I keep rodents and insects out of my plant( using more chemicals) and make employees use hair nets and be subject to whatever lax radiation levels or tests performed or not performed in Japan and you in Canada are now subject to Japans irresponsible food quality laws. Mark is not going to Sushi restaurants anymore.

    God Bless


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    • jec jec

      Whole foods just had an expose on TV, seems their "organic" produce..came from CHINA. A China whose regulation and determination of what "organic" means was very different than what the Whole Foods customer expected. The frozen product said ORGANIC, was sold as such for premium, but "CHINA" on the label. And then..there is a town in an Asian country, named U.S.A, so products could legally be called "made in USA." Japan's contaminated rice and other products will show up "hidden" in our foods as well. Would love to be proved wrong, but don't think the US government is checking for radiation — our agents are overloaded already. And to check products- takes dosimeters..and more people. Have not seen any jobs listings for inspectors! Only for more TSA agents to pat down kids and grandmas in wheelchairs.

      Add to that the ongoing (drip drip drip) of fallout radiation traveling via the Jet Stream air currents to the USA. Milk is already above EPA limits in some tests in California. Like any viral disease/flu the fallout is spreading into our own food product. Soon it will not be just from a Japanese or S. Korean or China shipment we have to be concerned with. It's a gift that just keeps giving.


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  • About a month ago, I said the true information will start coming out very fast any day now and it will be horrible and get worse each day, well a day or two after I said it it has been coming out quick and hard ! And it has and becoming more each day ! I just knew there was no way to keep it suppressed !


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    • GoFrodo

      Agreed, I noticed a small sign the other day, almost like a linguistic sort of "test" (or maybe an accidental slip) in the MSM news. I think they might be out with it soon.


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  • arclight arclight

    heres a peer reviewed article i believe! written in march 2011 and was stamped march 2012… might have been a hack to discredit the article from whence the us version was compiled??

    V. Wiwanitkit*
    Wiwanitkit House, Bangkhae, Bangkok, Thailand 10160
    Iran. J. Radiat. Res., 2012; 9(4): 271-273

    ….is of interest, it is detected that the iodine unsaturated
    thyroid tissue has a higher
    absorption of radioactive iodine, hence, it is
    the basic concept for prevention (5, 6). Due to
    the strong evidence, it is suggested to
    implement the potassium iodine prophylaxis
    in the areas highly exposed to leaked radioactive
    elements.

    Finally, it should also be noted that the
    exposure to I131 cause not only malignancy
    but also non malignancy thyroid disorder (7).
    The I131 is reported to alter the normal
    immune function, T cell, and this can result
    in the induction of autoimmune thyroiditis"

    "…The
    radioactive iodine can be absorbed into
    normal thyroid tissue and result in both
    cancerous and non-cancerous thyroid disorder.
    The radioactive cesium can induce
    renal disorder. To aware the adverse effect
    of leaked radioactive elements in the
    present crisis is very important and longterm
    following up of the exposed subjects is
    suggested…)"

    "carcinogenesis it is evidenced
    that radioactive strontium can induce
    genetic abnormality in lymphocyte (15).
    Hence, it might be the element with
    leukemogenesis property"

    i will not post the link as it goes to an iranian server.. the security services were not to pleased, nor were the pro nukes!! and i dont want anyone to go what i did! you can contact the doctor direct for a copy in thailand! :)

    heres a highly redacted report from the usa on his advise for iodine 131 133 etc protection after fukushima.. note that the compiler of the report didnt include the "other" illness and causes of death, isotopes etc … cherry picking??

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3125013/


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    • arclight arclight

      should point out that it can not be found on any servers.. and i tried! the iranian copy was probaly stored and forgotten!! and that explains the overt surviellance ive been getting… they dont want this to get out!! oops! too late! :)


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    A great crime against humanity, all life on the planet, has been perpetrated.

    Yes, such malfeasance is criminal, in the eyes of the law, in government and industry venues/arenas – it's criminal ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Being high up in govt. and/or private sector (is there really a difference anymore?) does not give you immunity; it imposes upon you a HIGHER STANDARD OF INTEGRITY, OBLIGATION, AND PERFORMANCE!

    These people had a DUTY to act responsibly IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. This is in or implicit in their job descriptions, I am sure, as well as being common sense and a maxim of law going way, way back.

    So I hope people begin to wake up from their MSM dis-information trance and realize – duh – gee – using public office and public monies to cheat and criminally endanger the public who are paying the bill for all this…doesn't sound quite right -ya know? There otta be a law … and by golly there is – or are – there are all sorts of laws in the books about that kind of stuff.

    There's a little problem, though, and that seems to be 'enforcement.'

    See, government's got dirty hands too.

    MSM too.

    Golly gee whiz. I hate to use the C word but it looks like a … duck, quacks like a duck, waddles and acts like a duck… must be a… say what? A group of honorable public servants who made a few honest mistakes and had some bad breaks in the weather?


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  • jec jec

    The initial manifestations will be thyroid cancer or acute leukemia in young children. It children who are most vunerable to radiation. Of course, everyone exposed will face some issues, and if an adult is highly radiated, they too will face medical issues -heart, cancer, etc.
    Bad news right now, the key drugs for treatment of children,Methotrexate, is not available in the necessary doses from US suppliers. Its hoped some other countries have the medication, without preservatives, which will be critical to save young children with sudden onset cancers. Right now, its on "manufactures hold", which is severely impacting the health of those who need Methotrexate injections. With the medication, children can go into remission in 4 -6 weeks, and be kept in remission with weekly injections of the medication. Its a true lifesaver…


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    • GoFrodo

      Yeah, as much as I generally dislike pharmaceuticals, I recognize the fact that these drugs, while not ideal to some of us, are still crucial for some people. This is not the time for shortages.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    My friend jec,…there are two sides to every coin:

    "Side Effects of Methotrexate – for the Consumer

    Methotrexate

    All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Methotrexate:

    Dizziness; drowsiness; general body discomfort; headache; loss of appetite; mild hair loss; mild sore throat; mild stomach pain; nausea; tiredness.

    Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Methotrexate:
    Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); back pain; black or bloody stools; blood in the urine; bone pain; calf or leg pain, redness, swelling, or tenderness; change in amount of urine produced; chest pain; confusion; coughing up blood; diarrhea or vomiting; difficult or painful urination; dry cough;enlargement of the breasts (in males); fainting; fever, chills, or persistent sore throat; menstrual changes; mental or mood changes; mouth or tongue sores or swelling; muscle weakness; night sweats; one-sided weakness; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; seizures; severe or persistent headache, drowsiness, dizziness, or light-headedness; shortness of breath; speech changes; swollen glands; symptoms of liver problems (eg, dark urine, pale stools, persistent loss of appetite, severe stomach pain, yellowing of the skin or eyes); symptoms of pancreas inflammation (eg, severe stomach pain with or without nausea or vomiting); unexplained weight loss; unusual bleeding or bruising; unusual pain and discoloration of the skin; unusual tiredness or weakness; vaginal discharge; vision loss or other vision changes (eg, blurred vision); vomit that looks like coffee grounds.

    This is not a complete list of all side effects that may occur. If you have questions about side effects, contact your health…


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      Thank you StillJill, as much as we wish to have medication that truly works too often we & children are used as guinea pigs. Too often we are simply sold drugs that the companies know will add additional health issues as a result of their use.

      We also need to remember that most often No independent studies have been done on these medications.


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Yes,…and even fewer studies on multi-drug usages! The synergistic effects have been AVOIDED like the plague by the FDA, AMA, and on down the sorted list! :-(

        One thing they ALL have in common,…medications that is,…they're acidic as DEATH!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    That,…or you can give the children alkalizing minerals, alk. water, baking soda, washed organic foods,….and watch them grow back into the children you remember.

    The choice really is ours!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Yes, Jill,

    Natural is best. Being alkaline is important. Animal products are best avoided especially now as animal bodies are 'bio-accumulators' and animal products make the body acidic.

    Some people get mad at me for saying that… but it's true, even if we did not have this added massive 'insult' to our health assaulting us silently, invisibly, continuously…

    And totally new topic but related — animals have feelings, too…


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    • GoFrodo

      I have a question.

      Isn't it the same if I eat a small portion of meat or a large portion of vegetables that I would need to make the same number of calories I get from meat? Then if you eat a pile of vegetables, you are still getting lots of radiation.

      I'm not trying to get into a debate or invite a vegan link bomb, as has happened to me in the past for speaking my opinion on food, just speaking civilly here.

      On that note, I read something today, by Ingrid Naiman of the Sacred Medicine site collection (and she practices Ahimsa, which I believe is "no harm"), saying that there has never been a culture who's always been totally animal-free in their diet.

      And I don't want to start a vegan debate, but I do think that we should try to not judge people on here for being carnivorous or not, as this is a radiation forum first and foremost. Do we really want to ostracize the meat-eaters (including me) in the nuclear awareness movement over the meat issue?

      Besides, there is a whole history of the sustainability movement and how close it is to the nuclear movement (but I'm not done reading on it). And now I see an anti-meat campaign ramping up, including some of the far left activists (apparently some were actually recruited by the conservative elites for their own agenda, from what I read) starting some campaign now. The anti-meat campaign seems to me like an extension of the controlling motives of the global warming fake enviro-movement. So the nuclear movement uses global warming scare tactics to control us with energy sources, and the global warming movement uses guilt and manipulated science and scare tactics to control what we eat. Not only have meat prices been rising a lot, but I can imagine when one day our meat will be rationed or banned altogether. Some of us can't survive that way.

      That's not my full argument, it's just off the top of my head, mostly. I don't want to spew links or debate, as I don't even have all my info ready…


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    CRIME OF MILLENIUM GOES UNPUNISHED?

    NOTE: This is a quiz. Read the following short piece attentively and then answer the question below. PLEASE! do not peek at the question before reading this short piece of imaginative fiction.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    A great crime against humanity, all life on the planet, has been perpetrated.

    Yes, such malfeasance is criminal, in the eyes of the law, in government, CORPORATE, PRIVATE, MARITIME/ADMIRALTY, private, and/or industry venues/arenas/jurisdictions – it's criminal ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. Being high up in govt. and/or private sector (is there really a difference anymore?) does not give you immunity; it imposes upon you a HIGHER STANDARD OF INTEGRITY, OBLIGATION, AND PERFORMANCE!

    These people in/at (fill in the blank) had a DUTY to act responsibly IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. This is in or implicit in their job descriptions, I am sure, as well as being common sense and a maxim of law going way, way back.

    So I hope people begin to wake up from their MSM dis-information trance and realize – duh – gee – using public office and public monies to cheat and criminally endanger the public who are paying the bill for all this…doesn't sound quite right -ya know? There ought ta be a law … and by golly there is – or are – there are all sorts of laws in the books about that kind of stuff.

    There's a little problem, though, and that seems to be 'enforcement.'

    See, government's got dirty hands too.

    MSM too.

    Golly gee whiz. I hate to use the C word but it looks like a … duck, quacks like a duck, waddles and acts like a duck… must be a… say what? A group of honorable public servants who made a few honest mistakes and had some bad breaks in the weather?

    QUESTION: What is the 'C' word?

    ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

    No, it's not Communism.

    It's 'conspiracy'.

    Also 'corporatism.'


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  • VanneV anne

    No one is ostracizing anyone from the nuclear debate. Food choices are a matter of survival skills. Advice is to keep alive and choices are simply more crucial when radiation levels have become so much higher. I face higher levels of radiation than most people on this blog. Yet I have not had a reoccurrence of the cancer that almost killed me 23 years ago. And my doctor told me that I had had that cancer for probably 5 years before I came for treatment. I have had no nose bleeds, no mucus, no lumps on my thyroid or lymph nodes, no nausea, no dizziness. And I'm 71 years old. I have no problem with my heart or allergies, though for years I was at one time an asthmatic. I have low blood pressure, a low weight [I practice low calorie intake], and low colesterol. I haven't been to a doctor for years.

    Eating is not a religion. It is very scientific. Vegetable protein is of higher quality than animal protein and much more easily digested especially when raw. Seeds and nuts, but especially seeds, and avocados provides plenty of calories. I sleep very well.

    One theory is that if you eat animal protein, you expend so much energy digesting animal products there is nothing left to digest any cancer cells you might have.

    This blog is supposed to be about hope and survival skills in addition to information about this particular disaster in Fukushima and about other nuclear disasters around the world. I studied for many years and practiced the macrobiotic diet taught by Japanese teachers. My present died is a variation on the Japanese macrobiotic diet. I owe them my life. The studies done by the Japanese on plant sterols saved my life and I am grateful to them for their knowledge and their sharing of this knowledge. I have learned much from those who survived Nagasaki and Hiroshima. These are some of my heroes and exemplars and I took comfort and hope from reading about their successes.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    GoFrodo – vegan/vegetarian diet really is healthier. Check out Dr. T. Colin Campbell's THE CHINA STUDY – book and should still be up as a lecture on You Tube.

    Also check out FASTING-AND EATING- FOR HEALTH BY Dr. Joel Fuhrman, MD.

    Biologically we are much more like the mostly vegan/vegetarian great apes than like any carnivore species – in our teeth, 'claws', and digestive tract. Also raw foods contain more nutrients, but the whole grains and veggies and fruits are less damaged by cooking than are meats, dairy, and most fats.

    But no one is trying to make you change your ways, are they?

    BTW now especially it is better to avoid animal products incl. milk/dairy because animal bodies are 'bio-accumulators' – animal bodies act as filters and retain a lot of the toxins we take in. Plants have fewer toxins stored in their tissues.


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    • GoFrodo

      I hear you. Yes some on here do try to get us meat-eaters to change our ways with the pushiness of the vegan message, amounting to a near-evangelism and it's like shouting when they bombard with links.

      I don't eat dairy, anyway. You may or may not have seen my many posts on the Forum threads about either Measures against radiation or the Low-Level effects of radiation. I addressed it there somewhat. I get weak when I don't eat meat. I got very ill when trying to cut out too much meat and refined flour. I explained there how I have heard the entire vegan schpiel, and used to go to vegan lectures all the time.

      And I know all about the toxins and the healthiness of plants. I was making my case on here about veg in the early days of the crisis having more radiation than the meat and processed food. That is only factual, even if you discount my personal experience, because the particles had to work their way up through the food chain, and also because processing does remove some of the radiation. I am extremely sensitive and have not gotten sick from meat until recently (one instance only, from a low-end food chain). The veg made me sick early on about a month after 311, when I got sick from some lettuce right away. Almost every vegetable I ate after that made me ill (except the hydroponic lettuce, basically).

      What I say goes with the premise that not only will everyone not be able to afford to detoxify their vegetables and their bodies (and there's no guarantee you can get it all out anyway), and with the premise that right now it's more important to avoid the most lethal thing out there, and that is radiation, than it is to avoid every random chemical that we used to worry about before.

      I feel if people are going to be recommending eating most or all vegetable diets, then the responsible thing is to include the qualifier about detoxifying veg and self. Or else you are still pushing poison, the worst one.

      You still didn't answer my question,…


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  • arclight arclight

    well ichicax4 passed me this.. thought i would share as it is also about some history.. NRC belly dancing history and here are the main players

    "
    Subject: Fw: Updated Factsheet
    Date: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:50:12 AM
    Attachments: 110318 1400rev factsheet~doc

    Sent from an NRC Blackberry.
    Brooke G. Smith "(b)(6)

    Original M–es-s-ag-e —–
    From: Cherry, Ronald C <CherryRC@state.gov>

    To: NITOPS <NITOPS@nnsa.doe.gov>;
    JapanEmbassy, TaskForce <JapanEmbassyTaskForce@state.gov>;
    Alan Remick <DartDOELiaisonl@OFDA.gov>;
    Aleshia Duncan<Aleshia.Duncan@nuclear.energy.gov>;
    Cook, William; Smith, Brooke; Casto, Chuck;
    Damian Peko<Damian.Peko@nuclear.energy.gov>;
    Duncan, Aleshia D <DuncanAD@state.gov>;
    Howard, E. Bruce,<HowardEB@state.gov>;
    Foster,-)ack; Trapp, James; James Trapp (BB) b)(66)
    Joe Hughart <joseph.hughart@foh.hhs.gov>;
    Joe Hughart (DART)<jhughart@ofda.gov>;
    Monninger, John; Johnstone, Gregg M <johnstonegm@state.gov>;
    Foggie, Kirk;Mears, Jeremy M <MearsJM@state~gov>;
    Morales, Russell A <MoralesRA@state.gov>;
    Devercelly,Richard; Kolb, Timothy;
    Nakanishi, Tony; Ulses, Anthony

    Sent: Fri Mar 18 11:41:22 2011
    Subject: FW: Updated Factsheet
    Updated information from METI/ANRE,
    This email is UNCLASSIFIED
    Original M-e-s-sa-g-e —–
    From: KT A r[ailto:nasu-ryoU meti.go.jz]
    Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:34 PM

    To: Cherry, Ronald C

    Cc: 'V. *F;
    yamato-koji@meti.go.jp;
    miura-satoshi3@meti.go.jp;
    sugita-rie@meti.go.jp

    Subject: Updated Factsheet

    Dear Mr. Cherry,

    This is Ryo Nasu, a chief deputy director of international Affairs division.
    The fact sheet we sent you before is updated today.

    Please share these materials with your colleagues in DC.

    Thank you.
    Best Regards,
    Ryo
    Ryo NASU 6
    Deputy-Director , /
    International Affairs Division

    http://enformable.com/2012/02/united-states-was-well-aware-of-high-radiation-and-contamination-from-fukushima-official-docs/


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  • Sam

    Chill out. We don't need to read this needless back and forth reparte. There is radiation in all
    things out there now. Everything now is bioaccumulating. The soil and grass and all vegetables
    and all animals eating grass and grains. Even your body now is radioactive. Get a life and enjoy the moment. No need to excess anxiety. The sanest act is to close all nuclear down ASAP. and hope
    we can contain and clean it up over the decades and hope our energy grids don't get fried by
    solar storms or EMP.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Here, here, Sam! Stress can be more damaging than ANY food I know of,…and so is that yucky feeling inside when we quarrel!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Are either one of you willing to walk away from this,…..just for now? That is all it will take. Just one of you deciding to choose peace,…to choose LOVE. You BOTH speak of peace.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Why do I bother? :-)

    Does anybody out there have a bucket of REALLY cold water? :-)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Make that TWO buckets please! :-)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    No,…I don't condone any of this. You are both probably two of the kindest, most willing to help,…kind of souls I've met. You are BOTH tireless, precise, knowledgeable,….and I think therein lies the problem. Also,…I think this would never happen to you two fine folks, if it weren't for the stress (and isotopes) we are ALL under.

    I know that I have had a 'run-in' with a few here,…and nearly all of them are forgotten. Seemingly by both parties. It has been AMAZING for me to see and go through.

    This is what I wish for you both. That you remind yourselves that the other is a little soul afloat,….just like you, and me.


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    • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

      Thanks Jill, keep them on point!

      Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      For what it's worth…..
      One of the things I heard alot when I started going to AA meetings was don't worry about the fault of the other guy….."just clean up your side of the street". I always liked that one alot.
      Another one I liked alot was "take what you need and leave the rest".
      Oh yeah, another good one….."It's always easier to take somebody else's inventory."
      For what it's worth.


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Good ones PoorDaddy,…I liked, "What you think of me is none of my damned business",…and the old H.A.L.T., Hungry, angry, lonely, or tired,…(Don't get too much of any of those four.) I know I have been suffering from at least two of the four every bloody day lately. Can't seem to get all the bases covered,….

        My guess was our two friends were suffering from HALT too, eh?
        Poor stressed out good people! This will happen more and more, unfortunately!


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        • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

          Yep. I spend a fair amount of time with ANGRY and TIRED lately.
          HUNGRY doesn't apply to me. I like to eat, and being 66 I do feel a personal freedom to eat pretty much what I want, radiation be damned! though my diet has changed a little since March. It's my kids and grandkids futures that concern me…..way more than it concerns them.
          I've been blessed with the company of a sweet, kind hearted woman for the last dozen years, so LONELY is not an issue either.
          I am a blessed and lucky man.


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          • StillJill StillJill

            And a GOOD Man! Your lady sounds lovely indeed, behind the camera so ministeringly! Good for you PoorDaddy, all kidding aside,…you're a good and honorable man! As well as a great friend to the down-hearted! :-)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    As are you my friend, Room101! :-)


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Hi Tumrgrwer,…I thought of you when I said the last line to them,…about us all being 'soul's afloat',….and needing to be kind.

    Really like your vibe and tag line, my friend!

    Be well!


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    Keeping my eye on the ball…we are in serious trouble and very few seem to care. You know the story. Thank you StillJill, but all we have is our kindness to one another, what else is there, really?

    Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Nothing. You are right,…our kindness and goodwill is our last and only gift. It is all we have,…LOVE.


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    • Hot Tuna Hot Tuna

      Bob Dylan says it better than the Bible. Perhaps there should be another thread Admin can move conversations to like "Bad Mood Rising".

      I ain't saying you treated me unkind
      You could have done better but, I don't mind
      You just kinda wasted my precious time
      But don't think twice, it's all right


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    On reflection, this whole thread is an excellent metaphor for how ridiculous and ingrained WAR is…..and here, there is no $, power or resources to squabble over….but squabble we will.


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  • ENENews

    ** Both 'Anne' and 'GoFrodo' are going to be taking a break from commenting on this site. There will be no more fighting. The childish bickering is way too distracting and time consuming. If you are one of the people affected by this, feel free to write me in 30 days to see about commenting again. **


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Thanks, Admin!

    I know that you don't have time to read all the comments, so this is a short history since last May:

    Anne implied that Tacomagroove was working for Tavistock:
    anne
    May 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm
    I suspect Taco works for Tavistock like some other bloggers on this site. However, there are grains of truth mixed in with what might be propaganda or an attempt to control the discussion.

    Anne has also implied James2 was working for Tavistock:
    anne
    December 21, 2011 at 7:20 pm · Reply
    …You can say whatever you want. If people can’t see what you see, attacking them won’t make it so. Some people here work for Tavistock. They are doing research on people who blog on Domesday scenarios. Their mission is to scare people and do psychological research so they succumb to the New World Order.

    and recently suggested that nuckelchen was producing "propaganda:"
    anne
    February 10, 2012 at 7:37 pm · Reply
    I don’t understand why Nuckelchen creates obviously fake photos. It doesn’t help us at all and puts into question all his work. Again, there is no link to an original photo for comparison. Propaganda is insulting.

    and brushed PattieB with the brush of Areva on Feb 1, so when I asked her to cease attacking the above posters because it was really distracting, she implied that I was lying, a fascist (!) and that she did no such thing:
    anne
    February 2, 2012 at 12:15 am · Reply
    Sorry, NoNukes, I’ve never accused anyone of being a fraud. Attacking me is not becoming on your part….
    I rarely respond to anyone’s blogs. So your accusations seem to be self-serving…

    anne
    February 2, 2012 at 1:03 am · Reply
    Trying to keep people from asking questions smacks of fascism.

    Thanks again, Admin, NoNukes


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      @ NoNukes…And my favorite, Anne accused Patti B. of working for NBC, obviously without even checking that this acronym did not relate to the TV network, but rather to her job in the military as a "Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical" hazmat responder! And even when told, Anne did not correct her mistake.

      Anne was a big one to point out what wasn't needed, helpful, nor appropriate here…….so let's leave it at that.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    The saddest part for me,…is that 'we' are not supposed to judge one another in food or marriage, says the Word. Acts 10: 14,15 is one place,…the other escapes me,…but never mind. It's over now. I shall pray for our friends that they can come back and play nicely in our sandbox, Yes? :-)


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