Published: October 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am ET
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SOURCE: Are Regulators And The Nuclear Industry Applying The Valuable Lessons Learned From Fukushima?, Fairewinds Associates, October 11, 2011
Fairewinds Presentation to the San Clemente City Council
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Are Regulators And The Nuclear Industry Applying The Valuable Lessons Learned From Fukushima? from Fairewinds Associates on Vimeo.
Published: October 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am ET
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We are in an endless DO LOOP
1 Nuclear accident happens.
2 People die.
3 Design flaws are identified.
4 NRC says “Nothing to see here”.
5 Criminal News Media says “Nothing to see here.”
6 Go Back To Step 1 and repeat this loop N times.
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Not endless. There’s an end coming, one way or another. As the saying goes, all bleeding stops…eventually.
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Does it stop when the mass gets to the magma core of the earth? Then what? Will we be alive to see it stop? Will our species still have eyes? Remember, this is one of many problems, and we have already saturated much of the planet over the decades with unnatural materials… so much of it. Now we accumulate exponentially. I suspect so much is coming out of Japan, it is circling around the globe and falling back on Japan.. and everywhere in between. doesn’t dissipate for 10s of thousands of years…millions of years.. is that when the bleeding stops? in a million years?
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my understanding is that magma near the mantle is far too cool to have any nuclear effect . in fact I believe the corrium would heat the magma.
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Might as well start naming NRC names. There are FACES not just acronyms behind this rad mess
http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/organization/panel-members.html
“Protecting People and the Environment” … classic.
Anne Harris blows the roof off the NRC/IAEA nuclear mafia
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77vkuPtqN4A
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47PeWCIdyX4
p.s. there are NO decommisioning funds. Nothing will be done until citizens break out the pitchforks and start using them.
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Important distinction:
Yesterday someone posted a response they received from Senator Rubio’s (Florida) office which blamed the meltdowns in Japan on the tsunami.
But Arnie says equipment in Unit 1 most likely damaged by the earthquake before the tsunami struck.
Just wanted to get that out there because the nuclear industry has been blaming it all on the tsunami.
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Exactly. A tsunami is a once in a millenia event and impossible if you’re not on an ocean, so that indemnifies all the inland reactors. But earthquake — that is more common, more ubiquitous, and begs the question of damage from hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Semantic manipulation; control the language, you control the conversation. Keep getting this truth out there and please contradict the media every time they try to fob it off on the tsunami only.
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Yes!
Yes!
No wool over your eyes, Mack! Thx!
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Others who agree with Arnie:
“Masashi Goto, a retired Toshiba nuclear reactor designer, realised on the day after the earthquake that the Fukushima Daiichi reactors were on the verge of explosions and that the Government was lying about it. He started to speak to the public on the true danger of the crisis and the possibility that the reactor sustained direct damage from the earthquake (and not from the tsunami that followed).”
[...]“He and M. Tanaka, an ex-Hitachi engineer, researched on how the ICs worked on March 11 and claim that the pipes connecting to the PCV/RPV broke due to the earthquake that led to the LOCA.”
http://enformable.com/2011/10/masashi-goto-nuclear-reactor-designer-teams-up-with-ex-hitachi-engineer-tanaka-pcvrpv-pipes-broke-after-eq-not-ic-shutdown/
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Hey chemfood…
Thanks for that list. It looks like almost half the members are J.D.s! What’s up with that? Why do they need more lawyers than scientists?
?????
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New England Coalition filed lawsuit against NRC
NY attorney general filed lawsuit against NRC
The state of Nevada filed lawsuit against NRC
Massachusetts backs Vermont in lawsuit against NRC
Attorney generals of Connecticut, New York and
Vermont jointly filed suit against NRC
Washingtons sued NRC over Hanford waste
NARUC joined with Washington, South Carolina in suit against NRC
Friends of the Earth filed a lawsuit against the NRC
The New Mexico Environmental Law Center filed a lawsuit against the NRC
General Atomics sued the NRC
Mothers for Peace and the Sierra Club filed a lawsuit against the NRC
August 2011 – 19 separate legal challenges were filed against the NRC
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I wonder if this really means that the U.S. got a large amount of radiation from Japan, which is why the NRC NEEDS to raise the limits, so when the actual radiation amounts in the U.S. are learned, the NRC can say “No worries, that’s well within the range of safety.”
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If I remember correctly, back in March a proposal had been circulating around the EPA to substantially increase the exposure limits for people/food and to significantly lower the standards for cleanup after an accident.
I don’t know what the current status of that proposal is, but evidently at least some people in the EPA are just as bad as people in the NRC.
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The fact that human radiation limits can be instantly increased 100 times “with the stroke of a pen” tells me that the limits aren’t trustworthy to begin with, imo.
“There is no safe dose of radiation” is still the greatest truism when dealing with radiation.
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Assuming we can make it through the next couple of years, I have high hopes.
Solar, wind and other renewable energy costs are dropping rapidly.
Combine the PAIN and SUFFERING of nuclear, oil, coal and other very dirty and toxic fuels, plus the low cost of the coming zero carbon energy sources, and you will end up with nuclear, oil, coal and others being totally, absolutely obsolete.
When cars came in, travel using oxen, mules, horses or other animals, all became obsolete.
These dirty fuels will also go the way of the Dinosaur. We just have to make it through another couple of years.
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Even if we switch to GREEN – the population boom is unsustainable. Plus, the stupidity exhibited by our species is so profound that I can only imagine that humans will go the way of the dinosaurs as well. The ignorance of their intelligence is astounding!
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as i was driving home from work last night, i observed other drivers. my thought was that we are just smart enough to realize how stupid we are.
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I also hope that we soon reach a point where renewables will simply make the most economic sense, so that the nuke industry will wither away through its own obsolescence. It is an artifact of the need to make work for the thousands who had worked on the Manhattan project.
Unfortunately, the licenses on so many nuclear plants have already been renewed until far into the middle of the century–and in the meantime, their operators are attempting to push up the power output of those (aging) plants to the maximum that (they believe/hope) they can withstand
And the NRC has already approved the construction of some new nuclear plants. Once these things take root, they are very difficult to get rid of.
We need a new Manhattan project for real renewable energy (and contrary to Obama’s rhetoric, nuclear is NOT renewable or clean). We should invest in that instead of investing in the construction of new nuclear plants that will continue to operate (and produce dangerous waste for which we have no solution) for decades and decades.
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Watch this video. Arnie created it for last night’s meeting with the San Clemente City Council on San Onofre (but a server malfunction kept it from being shown there). He talks about the financial issue as being the one that can get all the reactors shut down. If it costs too much to do the repairs, Edison and other companies will just put their money into renewables. We are within sight of a tipping point. Now, if all those darn nuke plants will just cooperate and not go nuts until we get there…
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Yes! Important point. At this stage of our dubious evolution, capitalism and nuclear toys are really incompatable.
Nuclear power is not amenable to the lowest cost on the bottom line.
The lowest cost on the bottom line is an ELE event.
Did I hear laughter?
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Another catastrophe is imminent according to the simple math. So what does that tell you?
It’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the NRC is negligent beyond reprehension. (On so many levels and in so many areas I lost count.)
It’s proven that the FINAL ultimate ‘costs’ associated with Nuclear Power will be paid by us all. (all living things that is)
There is no way to put a price on the economic impacts, SUFFERING, infant moralities and genetic mutations yet to come. No Way!!!
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moralities=mortality
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Another example of the NRC protecting the nuclear industry:
Arnie said the cost of this disaster to TEPCO will be $250 BILLION and TEPCO will probably go into bankruptcy.
In the U.S., the NRC has allowed energy companies to become LLRC’s which, of course, limits their liability. Each power plant is an LLRC.
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correction: LLC not LLRC
LLRC is the Low Level Radiation Campaign
http://www.llrc.org
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Limited Liability Contracts.
Capitalism and nuclear power: a poisonous combination.
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Thank You Mr. Gundersen for your video. I hope that you feel better soon.
Basically..We are up the creek without a paddle. We don’t even have a boat or a life jacket..
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Yes, thank you again to Arnie, one of the few heroes to emerge from this whole mess.
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++++ Yes many times.
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like…..
“Well, that about sums it up. There are at least three key areas that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the nuclear industry, both in Japan and the United States, are not looking at: containment design, boiling water reactor vessels, and detonation shockwaves. But, no matter what they look at, if they don’t do the cost/benefit analysis right and properly evaluate the cost to society, none of these changes will be implemented.”
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I was never good with math, but common sense tells me old plants, earth changes, using deadly radiative materials, bad design and location, equals a disaster.
Everything is set up to benefit the energy corporations and nothing for the well being of the public and the environment.
They get all the profits, but no responsibility.
Is everyone owned by the energy corporations? I don’t understand how the environment isn’t more important to the ones who are supposed to be in charge?
What happens to the future generation who have to suffer, all because of what they have placed on this earth.
To Great Of a Risk
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Corporations don’t die of cancer. They don’t suffer genetic mutations. They don’t suffer any effects of radiation.
Yet they are granted “personhood.” Everything done by government and industry is dictated by the agenda of these non-human entities.
Human beings are reduced to ciphers as these other entities flourish.
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B1, you have nailed it!
Humans have many flaws, possibly the most dangerous being Greed. Corporations are a human invention to allow and encourage Total Greed, Rampant and unabated Greed, Warp Speed Greed.
Corporations are not people, will never be people and the Supreme court is full of shit. This decision must be overturned and fast!
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Hi PoorDaddy
I agree, corporations are not people. It’s a place of business, that is run by people.
That decision should be overturned.
It was a 5-4 decision
Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, and Thomas, were the 5.
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People can be drafted. Send a corporation a draft notice and see how fast they disavow personhood.
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The crazy thing is corporations were given legal personhood way back, I think in the 1920′s. It was a case in Santa Clara County, CA, and has been used as legal precedents ever since. This supreme court just took it to another level, as have others before them.
It is just so WRONG.
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That’s OK! It’s all covered by medicare. Only if your over 50 though, I just got to make there. http://www.medicare.gov/coverage/Search/Results.asp?State=VA%7CVirginia&Coverage=68%7CColorectal+Cancer+Screening+-+Flexible+Sigmoidoscopy&submitState=View+Results+%3E
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Yes, like this Medicare will no longer be an unfunded liability.
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I guess San Clemente is close enough to San Onofre that they are starting to squirm.
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Yep. About 5 miles from SONGS to the south boundary of San Clemente. About 2 miles to Nixon’s Western White House @ Cottons Point / Trestles.
These were 3 great surfing spots, before they started heating the water.
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A tsunami of outside experts opinions will not change the risk equation from profitability to responsibility. Private profits and public risks
and total corruption of regulations and morals of health consequences. Every agency EPA,DOE,NRC involved is doing their part to reduce the cost to industry of operation and accidents. No payout or cleanup for no loss of profit. Arnie hit a home run on this one. Too bad it will not help change the mindset of ones who push this agenda.
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Time for LAWSUITS and CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS.
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can you sue a sitting congressman?
maybe the only way to keep them on task doing the peoples work.
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A sitting president was sued, so probably.
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We Are Spirits-
in the Mater-ial world
are spirits-
in the Mater-ial world….
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Can you sue an NRC in which almost half the members are J.D.s?
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i summarized most of Arnie’s comments
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/collective-suicide-wake-up.html
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Excellent summary. If people knew and somewhat understood the obvious truths maybe there would be change in the Nuclear Industry?
I don’t know if this was a Freudian typo or not, but I liked it.
“THE NRC wants RADIATION ‘EXPLOSURE’ LEVELS 100 times HIGHER THAN APPROVED BY EPA” – majia blog
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Does anyone know what “exposure” levels they want to change by a factor of a 100?
For example, we know that the Japanese raised the annual exposure level from 1 mSv/year to 20 mSv/year – for all its citizens.
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Hi majia
I think you covered it A+++++ Excellent
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Then-candidate Barack Obama said in 2007 that the five-member NRC had become “captive of the industries that it regulates” and Joe Biden indicated he had absolutely no confidence in the agency.[48]
The NRC has given a license to every single reactor requesting one, prompting Greenpeace USA nuclear policy analyst Jim Riccio to refer to the agency approval process as a “rubber stamp”.[49] In Vermont, ten days after[50] the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami that damaged Japan’s Daiichi plant in Fukushima, the NRC approved a 20-year extension for the license of Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant, although the Vermont state legislature had voted overwhelmingly to deny such an extension.[49] The Vermont plant uses the same GE Mark 1 reactor design as the Fukushima Daiichi plant.[49] The plant had been found to be leaking radioactive materials through a network of underground pipes, which Entergy, the company running the plant, had denied under oath even existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
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The US government better start respecting the states. The Soviet Union government fell from the social fallout of Chernobyl.. Now another major country (Japan) is heading fullspeed to financial and governmental disaster.
The reactions of Americans to a nuclear contamination on the scale of Japan would end the federal government as we know it now. A government that does not care for the welfare of its people and Mother Earth is worse than no government at all.
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Boiling the frog step by step.And the frog have to feel secure…
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