New highway may be constructed around giant sinkhole — Official: Could be built if La. 70 is “compromised”

Published: December 16th, 2012 at 3:26 pm ET
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Title: Sinkhole prompts study for possible alternative road
Source: The Advocate
Author: David J. Mitchell
Date: December 16, 2012

State highway officials plan to start early next year with a six-month study into the feasibility of an alternative route around an 8-acre sinkhole in northern Assumption Parish. [...]

October 27, 2012 (Source: rainbeaudais)

DOTD spokesman Dustin Annison said the study will determine if “the route could be built in the affected area in the event that La. 70 is compromised.” [...]

The announcement comes as community concerns linger about the long-term viability of the highway despite authorities’ assurances that the sinkhole does not appear to be threatening the future of La. 70. [...]

Jamie Ponville, owner of Pierre Part-based Jamie Ponville Trucking LLC, said people can see the sinkhole and the oil retardant booms surrounding the sinkhole from La. 70. [...]

“Most everybody I am speaking with are concerned about the highway,” Ponville said. “It’s our only access to the rest of the parish. If Highway 70 is shut down, we are shut down from the rest of the parish.” [...]

Some residents welcomed the look at an alternative route, fearing the sinkhole could affect the highway.

“Look what (the sinkhole’s) done so far,” Viki Arnold, 27, said. “Have they predicted anything it was gonna do? No. That thing’s going to do whatever … it wants. I don’t care what DNR or anybody else says.” [...]

Watch: Local resident filmed how close giant Louisiana sinkhole is to SR 70 -- "It is much bigger, and closer to the highway now" (VIDEO)

Published: December 16th, 2012 at 3:26 pm ET
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187 comments to New highway may be constructed around giant sinkhole — Official: Could be built if La. 70 is “compromised”

  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Interesting little Wiki article on Bayou Corne Seismic Survey on aquifer done September 2012.. scroll midway and there is a little info on it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChaseBilleaudeau/sandbox


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Thank You, built. Interesting, as I haven;t a clue about f-k filtering. Interesting.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Rainbow is uploading the MEETING in Parts and is up at her YT Channel.

      Bayou Corne Resident MTG~Part 1~ Oil and Gas NOT from Big Hum~12/18/2012
      http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCnltnKhdRv2U-9Bfn3BipeA

      I have some pissy comments to make already but will hold off. Mr. Martin does seem to bring out the worst in me.


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        • FREEDOMROX

          Hehehehe, so far , (sorry I missed his name), but Bubba was was a firecracker and honest. He was calling Mr. Martin on his so-called comittment issues. Best meeting ever! I haven't heard Rain ask anything, but I sure she will, She has enough knowledge to challenge Hecox if no one else.


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          • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

            OMG.. haha.. the guy from DNR looked like he didn't want to follow Tex. Brine to give his presentation. I can't say I blame him! Wow


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            • FREEDOMROX

              So far, it is who blinks first. This is my take so far.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQcJDtrl_e0


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            • FREEDOMROX

              Part 4: Hi, I am from Itasca, and we are the best in the world at rock mechanics, and screw around with subways, mines, and even Mt. Rushmore, and I am here to tell you how this happened…We don't know shyte!


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              • FREEDOMROX

                But he does blow all of Thad's expertise out of the water, as he confirms there is a 'clog'. and is shut off from the balance between sinkhole and cavern.


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                • Thad

                  The laws of physics remain intact- inviolate.

                  Water coming up with the oil is NOT from the aquifer it is "formation waters" also known as "produced waters" the same waters that contain MORM. salinity varies 120,000 ppm to fully saturated. For reference the gulf's water is 30,000-35,000 ppm. The higher the salinity the less effect on the salt dome there more required to dissolve a given amount of salt.
                  It is NOT fresh water—

                  http://producedwatersociety.com/index.php/produced_water_facts/


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                  • 16Penny 16Penny

                    Thad, if it was brine don't you think they would have said that? Also, my guess is that some of the salinity of the formation water locally is due to TB pumping all of that brine into the failed cavern. We will know in a few months for sure but in the mean time, I would evacuate my family until many more unknowns are sorted out.

                    On a personal note Thad, most of the people you like to argue with are saying here is what I think is happening, or say could or possibly. You are talking as if you are authoritative on the subject however you have been wrong on some of your absolute statements. There is enough room on these pages for possible scenarios other than your own to survive without you acting like you are the only one in the know.

                    The whole Utube fluid pressure scenario is out the window. The Cavern has leakage from soil formations at great depths. The Cavern has interaction from the observation / flare well periodically. The cavern has communication with the collapse zone. I believe if it is at all possible to use the conceptual u tube model to understand conditions it would be for such a brief period of time as to not be representative of average conditions.

                    I pray that the TB rep last night decides to champion the cause of relocating residents who wish to do so and end their nightmare.


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                    • Thad

                      Look at the seismic profile of the saltdome the formations leaking lifted from ~12,000 ft the ends were bend upward carried by the saltdome as it extruded from the salt bed. Oil formation have two types of drives -gas on top or formation waters from bottom.
                      It was not referred to as brine because it is not brine– If the formations are pressured enough to push oil and gas out then the pressure is to high for brine to enter. It would be good if the brine exerted enough pressure to enter the producing formations– it would "kill" and prevent the oil and gas from coming out.
                      Your words- "The cavern has communication with the collapse zone"
                      Agreed and it is apparent that the sinkhole is also in communication with the collapsed zone. The "U" tube analogy was to explain how there was a back and forth communication between the sinkhole-cavern brine out to the debris shaft and sinkhole or sediment from below the sinkhole and debris shaft into the cavern. And no doubt at times it is clogged and other time like duri a gas 'burp' it is open.
                      If you go back and look – the issues that I disagreed with it were those that were impossible. Such as the lighter fresh water sink or passing downward 4,000' through the much heavier brine.

                      The biggest concern for the people of Bayou Corne is the missing 2.75 million cubic yds of material–Logic says that void is outside the hard formation opposite the breach and somewhere under the sinkhole above the present "bottom" of the…


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                    • 16Penny 16Penny

                      I just don't understand how you can use the U tube concept when we know there is a third connection from the formations below. Part of the utility of the U tube is that both sides must balance. Simple statics, only two forces present then they must balance or it is not statics. With the unknowns about what is leaking in from below I don't understand how you can even try to conceptualize the fluid interactions, even in general terms, with the certainty you project with your language. There are physical forces do to the movement of debris, pore water pressures resulting from "nobody knows what's going on". I say too many unknowns to just draw up a U tube and say nope, no way this could move. All things being constant I would agree with you in principle, and I am sure that is a portion of what is going on part of the time. I think on a macro scale your description could represent general conditions. Activities on the micro scale are not playing by the rules you put forth and are contributing enough uncertainty to invalidate the U tube model in my opinion.

                      Now, if you started playing nice and posting your opinions as such, you would probably get a much warmer reception.

                      I do enjoy intellectual debate, and if I am wrong I say it. What is your take on the source of this standard sample on page 2 in the deq report?

                      http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/portal/Portals/0/BayouCorne/20144605FINGERPRINT_fr.pdf


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      Although we do not get along, I actually agree with much of what you state above, and even if I can't quite inhibit my sometimes ascerbic comments, actually find myself agreeing with you at times, then you take a u-turn. All you state above is true, in a normal collapse, I mght agree with all variables know. But, just what I suspected was confirmed last night. This wasn't a collapse, but a slow and very gradual slide, which from the west flowed in massive amounts of water and sediments that back filled the voids in the slow motion slide. The subsidence was finally accomplished by the over-burden, (for once they used the term right), and there are two forms of communication at the point where the cavern breached. I stand by that as much as I have that this was a year long event before the 'sinkhole' formed on Aug. 2nd. and was proven right by the little twerp from Itasca. Sorry, but the kid oozed snake oil salesman.


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                    • Thad

                      16Penny
                      December 19, 2012 at 1:57 pm Produced water salinity in the US ranges from 100 mg/l to 400,000 mg/l (seawater is 35,000 mg/l)."

                      You will have to ask Hecox what the salinity of the produced water is. This concept of produced waters coming up with the oil is a suprise to me as it is to you. Also need to know–volume
                      The salinity of produced water I seen offshore ran 135,000 to 160,000.. The produced waters can dissolve salt only until reaching saturation 188,000ppm Cl so needless to explain that reoduced waters will dissolve less than fresh water.
                      Fresh water can dissolve 109 lbs of salt before it is saturated–120,000 ppm produced waters can dissolve 39 lbs before saturation

                      http://www.geodf.com/store/files/14.pdf


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    Thad, you are so knowledgeable and so, gee, "Godlike". I mean you whoop and you holler that you want to take on Professor Nunn and all you would need is an email address so you can set him straight.
                    Your deductive 'drig' skills are so enormous and your brilliant mind so attuned to the 'hydrostatics' of fluid dynamics…I mean….Wow, you leave me in the dust, but…but…

                    You can't just call Prof. Nunn? I did. He did not have but a moment to speak but has set up a time for me to get an interview.

                    This vast experience you claim and this wonderful grasp of all concepts evidently do not extend to checking either a search engine or even using a phone book?

                    Jeffrey Nunn, Ernest and Alice Neal Professor
                    Geodynamics, tectonics and fluid flow. Fluid flow and solute transport in the Gulf of Mexico, tectonic evolution of rift basins and tomography of fine-grained sediments

                    Contact Information:

                    Office: E339/ E235 Howe-Russell
                    Telephone:(225) 578-3353
                    Fax:(225) 578-2302

                    Email:
                    gljeff@lsu.edu
                    Website:
                    http://www.geol.lsu.edu/jnunn

                    http://www.geol.lsu.edu/facultyprofiles/nunnprofilenew.html

                    Gosh, golly Gee…You have truly impressed me…..NOT!


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                    • Thad

                      Pls keep us posted with the results of the interview-
                      Am very curious about his opinion of fresh water 'sink" or being gravitionally drawn from the aquifer through the heavier brine to the salt– And thanks for the e-mail address–


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      I just know to ask the questions and listen. He's earned respect. Read some of his work, and it impressive. My favorite?

                      Free thermohaline convection beneath allochthonous salt sheets: An agent for salt dissolution and fluid flow in Gulf Coast Sediments, Jour. Geophys. Res., 100, 18085-18092, 1995.
                      I have the hard copy, but if you want it on the net, it's 25.00 but worth the read.

                      http://www.agu.org/journals/jb/v100/iB09/95JB01857/


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      Thad-"The biggest concern for the people of Bayou Corne is the missing 2.75 million cubic yds of material."

                      See, we do agree on something.

                      16 Penny, that voluminous report is your 'fingerprint', now it has to be matched with finger. I still say Petrodome should have its finger printed. If nothing else to rule them out.


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                    • Thad

                      Frox -and others—
                      If Nunn and others had states it was formation waters coming up with the oil/gas that was dissolving the salt it would have been understandable.. Did he say? Is it possible the writer/ reporter the left that part out not realising the importance? Don't know —I do know about formation/ produced water, had not thought of it as a possible. and if I had and commented such –probably been shouted down…
                      I honestly believe that if Hecox or anyone else had known and told us about the formation waters weeks ago you would not ever have considered the lighter fresh water going down through the heavier brine.
                      And 90% of our disagreement would not have happen.


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      You wouldn't have been shouted down, Thad, and it makes perfect sense. That is the one thing I want to clarify with him, but not until Jan. 3rd.
                      Holidays really do get in the way…

                      Also, have you followed the oil and gas thread? I would like for you to look and see if you see the same as I do. How do you have a fingerprint of oil that closely matches the content of refined gasoline, only with a high sulfur content?

                      I think you could help a lot in that. I am being serious and honest with you.


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                • Thad

                  Frox – maybe you can explain – if there is a clog in the bottom of the sinkhole to debris shaft how is oil getting up and into the sink hole. And if according to Shaw latest conceptual graphic there's no connection between the oil/gas formation and the cavern — how is oil/ gas getting into the cavern.
                  The more they say the more confusing is what they claim— How in the hell are we going to understand or figure out if they keep putting out BS info or omitting info
                  The only oil sample fingerprint I seen was from Sept– there was still diesel coming up in the sinkhole then– the diesel anti-corrosion cushion on top of the brine from the cavern..For that use doubt seriously TxBrn bought #1 diesel – instead – non fuel grade slop tank diesel…a little bit of everything..
                  Never understood how diesel come out — breach would have to have been at the same level OR brine level dropped down—
                  Another little curiousity- the mine expert– wonder how many of his caving studies and events were full of water — what factor are computed in for the resistance, bouyance and lubricating of solids by the fluids. And what varibles does different densities cause?


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    Honestly? Are you asking for my opinion, or is this a trap you may attempt to be laying? May seem paranoid, but I do want to know if this is an honest question? If so I will answer honestly. If just some type of jab to then try to kick me around then I am not interested.
                    One thing you have stated is very true, but I will not answer yet. I offered the olive branch, but did not expect you to pick it up.


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                    • Thad

                      Games are over– both of us were working without full information. You were trying to explain with the only source of water you were aware of and I was arguing from engrng and the laws of physics-
                      I too offered and olive branch–

                      'I honestly believe that if Hecox –known and told us about the formation waters weeks ago you would not ever have considered the lighter fresh water going down through the heavier brine.'

                      Also offered FB messaging so we could discuss — it would be without an audiance so we would not be in a defense mode every time we commented– Your research ability is better than mine and my field experience exceeds yours- we could be complimentary rather than conflicting-
                      And no I have no intent to beat you over the head with the branch–


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      I agree wholeheartedly. Do you have a link say to a sinkhole page or assumption parish page on FB that you post at? Maybe I can find you that way. Otherwise I am going thru literally thousands of "Thad"s…


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    I have located you and sent "Friend" request, and a message. Next?


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              • FREEDOMROX

                OMG, in Part Six Hecox now claims he was a fool, and everything he's said is wrong. They do not know where the unknown methane and oil are coming from. Maybe they need to take an oil fingerprint from Petrodome's site and see if it matches?

                He also states 1000's of cubic feet are bubbling out, but ignores the health problems related with such releases, but says they shouldn't install benchmarks or wells because the people of Bayou Corne are so inept at raising their children that they would accidently knock a cap off….I am speechless.


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                • FREEDOMROX

                  Also what he states is not physics, but an over pressure of gas that cannot be accounted for by any physics we know. This has been my point all along. Lab conditions are one thing, but not applicable to field situations. Mother Natrue will always throw you a curve ball.
                  Even Hecox states "We are learning as we go."


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    Even worse, Hecox says 'voids are unknown' and admits a toxic event is still a likelihood. It is still a very dangerous situation.
                    At least at the end, some serious questions were asked, but not really addressed.
                    Rainbow, I am disappointed.
                    You knew the questions to ask, but you didn't speak up…WHY?

                    Not being mean but yes, critical. You knew more than those asking questions, yet you remained silent.

                    Was it because of the obvious Police Presence?


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                    • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

                      I was a little shocked to watch Dr. Hecox as he appeared to be at ends with how much has gone wrong with this sinkhole. His comments about the H2S and just not being able to deal with it right now due to all the other issues they must attend to, speaks volumes to me.
                      After watching part 9, I decided to go to TB's website for an update… shockingly enough here is what it says..

                      A survey of the sinkhole revealed that the largest portion of what would be
                      considered the bottom remained at 145-150 feet. However, a wireline
                      measuring device found a narrow opening near the center that descended to
                      410 feet beneath the surface. Shaped like a cone, this narrow opening is the
                      most probable source of the bubbling that continues in the center of the
                      sinkhole surface.

                      http://www.texasbrine.com/response/2012-12-18_TBC-Update.pdf

                      I didn't believe, or I herd wrong listening to the Rock Specialist when he stated he thought the hole would get to 734' round and 144 deep, and very unlikely to get to 1000' round… I beg to differ. With all of the void space missing, unless he is growing rocks under there, he is off.


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      Also, get ready for Thad in the morning. He will agree with everything they said, and "hydrostatically" explain why life will exist in the lack of reasoning presented by Texas Brine and USGS.
                      Who knows, maybe they are all completely right…Everyone of them stated…"THEY DON'T KNOW"


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Ah! straight from the Fukushima playbook.
                      Rule #1
                      I dunno…


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      You win the Kewpie Doll Jebus!


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I always wondered why that doll looks like he had the shit scared out of him…


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      LOL, Thx, Jebus…much needed laugh! appreciated, lol


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    I think as the "New Kid on the Block", that he came off looking like an idiot. I agree with your assessment. Lies, Lies, and Damn Lies!
                    They don't know shyte!
                    Prevarication, Precipitation of falsehoods, and outright lies.
                    Sick of the whole dog and pony show.

                    We all should train a microscope on this bullshyte presentation and expose it for the bull it is!


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                    • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

                      If I was the guy with Texas Brine, I would quit… it's not like HE dug the hole, or he makes the final decision.. he works for a huge company.. he is an employee.. a person just like they are. I understand how frustrated they are, and he chose that job/position, however, I will give him credit, if someone spoke to me that way, it would not end up the same way.


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      If you take and retain the job, then you also have to take on the responsibility. He is speaking for the company, and pretty much said, "FU", so he takes the heat. I feel no sympathy for him. I do feel for the seven year old girl, wondering when she can go outside and play again.


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                    • richard richard

                      "wondering when she can go outside and play again"

                      seems to be becoming an all too regular question.

                      i know i grew up digging in the mud, playing in the rain, splashing in the puddles, diving into leaf piles, eating raw carrots straight out of the dirt, and picking berries of the branches and making a mess chomping on 'em.

                      this world has gone too far if a 'contemporary civilised' child can't even roll in the grass and dirt.


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      Sad, sad world we are leaving to them, Richard.


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                  • Thad

                    Frox If you got FB pm me on FB we could discuss some items there before getting to the rock throwing stage– somethings I miss for one–

                    "what he states is not physics, but an over pressure of gas that cannot be accounted for by any physics"


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            • FREEDOMROX

              Can you blame them? Mr. Martin just threw gasoline on the fire. Such indifference and inflaming rhetoric really riled the residents up… I notice the Police presence as well, but one of them looks like he wants to join in.


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  • jec jec

    Hope Texas Brine has GOOD insurance. Would not be surprised to see a sudden BANKRUPTCY filed. Have they paid anything to the government yet? And wasn't there a meeting between Texas Brine and Lousianna officials to discuss help for the evacuees/citizens, health costs, and property damage?If not already in the "mix" of discussions–that really should occur immediately. TB is stalling…


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Hope they do too, and No, No, No, and of course they are…


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    • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

      People need to check case law.. or contact their attorney. If there is a mandatory evacuation and you do not leave, are they still responsible for any detriment to your health??? hmmm


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      • FREEDOMROX

        Excellent question. I do know there have been past cases where this was used as a defense. I also know that during Hurricane Irene, that since a Mandatory Evacuation was issued, that the residents that stayed behind were civilly liable for the costs of their rescues.


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      • FREEDOMROX

        Thought this might help people with Helicorders.
        HOW TO READ A HELICORDER
        http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/seismic/heli/heli.html


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        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          @freedomrox, this is not sufficient for my questions.. I already am familiar with this..

          I have a call into them. Maybe they will get back to me to explain what the different hertz delineators mean, and about LA10.. where it is, is it calibrated etc.. and if those other headers have actual helicorders attached, or if they are yet to be attached.. and will they be the monitors of the new geoprobe data.. etc.

          It is still active, not as bad as earlier, but still pretty darn active.. not fearmongering, as accused, just posting link to helicorder..

          http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA10_EHZ_GS_10.2012121812.gif


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          • FREEDOMROX

            This was not directed at anybody in particular. Just trying to help. But, maybe I can help you a bit.
            Actually if you look at the AM graph then you will see it came online at 10:00 AM, and immediately you see rhythmic pounding, almost off the scale. If you will look at the filtered GS11 at LA10 transmission…
            http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA10_EHZ_GS_11.2012121812.gif

            then you can tell it actually was work done onsite. Please take note of the time they knocked off from work.

            Now is the time to start watching all monitors, for that is when you can pinpoint any cave-ins, break offs, or potential burps.

            It has not failed me yet.

            Looking at the rhythms reminds me of either a very close diesel engine, or a Piledriver. I lay odds on the diesel engine generator.

            Everyone is free to their opinions, just giving you my experiences with helicorders.


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            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              Thank you Freedomrox.. especially for being helpful.

              I just have no way of knowing where these new helicorders are located.. are they close to each other? are they miles apart? where are they in relationship to the other monitors..

              All I know, is that when I checked in this morning, the Ceri site was changed, we had new monitor listings, some up, some not, and then when I opened the link, my heart fell.. sure looked bad.. but, I didn't know some of the details.. which is why I posted here looking for input.. sure did not expect what I got..

              Will be interesting to see the daily update for today, which should be posted tomorrow or so.. and I want an updated helicorder location map.. or, an indication that LA 10 is actually geoprobe location 10.. or something similar..

              Again thank you for being civil, and helpful :)


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              • FREEDOMROX

                No problem. I too wished I knew more about the new ones, but in the proposals they just laid out where they were putting them, just the locations and not the designations. I am sure that when Rainbow uploads the video here in an hour or two, then they will point out where the new ones are.
                Don't be too hard on her…been thru a lot…and I didn't help any. If there is any blame to be laid, then it should be at my feet, because I trusted a source that proved to be false. I was such a 'maroon'.
                Everyone in that area is really wired tight right now, and I can understand why.


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    • richard richard

      yes jec, i was wondering what the going rate for a new highway was these days?

      i said it sometime back, if you own in the area, get out, sell out.. but soon (maybe now) it's too late, and no one will be compensated.


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    • dosdos dosdos

      As I stated before, laws covering fracking at the federal level protect Texas Brine from liability. They will wait until it goes to court, take it up through the local and state courts, then appeal to the federal courts and walk away clean, leaving the taxpayers to foot the bill.


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      • FREEDOMROX

        I still agree. But liabilty will attach if they kill any residents if they actually do flare the H2S, and there is no safe amount of SO2. TB is gambling that it is such a small amount, that it will be long term effects, and liability would have to be proved.


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      • Thad

        dosdos– there was absolutley nothing related to hydro fracking done within 300 miles of the Napoleanville saltdome -. Elsewhere you mentioned fracking sludge ask for document and source___?


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      • Thad

        dosdos—-Still await your info/ documentation of hydro fraking in the area also source of "fracking sludge" you nentioned before—


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        • FREEDOMROX

          I think, (not taking liberties dosdos), he is speaking of the 'sludge' area shown at the top of the slough-in of the cavern breach. This sludge is being put into a 'Frac Tank'.
          But, I will say that this LDNR article is very relevant to Gulf Coaster's, and of concern to you personally, 'Fracking' is exactly what is being proposed and adopted, on a scale previously unknown in the area.

          http://brac.org/docs/catalyst/BRAC_Catalyst_Jan_Apr_2012_Shale.pdf


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          • Thad

            Probably a confusion of similar nomeclature-Hecox's comment 'hydraulic fracturing' caused a lot of confusion..
            TMS is interesting. Back in the '80s worked 3 Tuscaloosa wells just below the TMS. One blew out burnt my company car..Hole swallow the whole rig– gas calderas- mud bubbles 10-15' in diameter pop then burn– wild..
            The only possible up side to the TMS vs other areas is they would be 4,000 to 6,000 ft deeper than the current Oil shale wells.. Now if Louisiana is smart enough to require that ALL long string liner/casing be cememted to surface with cmt having a higher compressive strength than formation to be fracked–


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            • FREEDOMROX

              I have initiated contact on FB Thad. Very interesting story, but I thought it was claimed, even at these high prices, that TMS was still too costly and too dangeous to go after.


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              • Thad

                The cost in the oil industry is nothing more than market demand— If there is equal or greater profit possibility there is no producing cost limit–
                TMS wells will become economic as other sources are depleted– A driver will be the conversion of coal fired and oil fired powered plants to natural gas– both for enviromental and economic reasons
                The more gas used the more oil not used-the more oil not used the more available to export –to China…
                It a sick joke- the more oil exported the less that will be available later for our grand children- just for the oil companies' profit and CEO bonuses—
                The oil industry love to blow the cost bugle and it is just that noise– Example of LIE — EPA regs have driven cost of building refineries above ability to do– NO the oil companies had enough refineries to meet domestic needs but could blame the cost on the EPA for lack of refining capacity. The US has been a NET EXPORTER of oil product for the last 8 yrs. The Motiva and Valero refineries at Pt Authur and Pt Neches Tx last year completed a $1 BILLION expansion and upgrade in advance for the TransCanada Keystone/XL crude as soon as the pipeline is finished


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  • FREEDOMROX

    What people don't seem to understand is that there are two separate processes happening here. The 'sinkhole' is not connected directly to the cavern, as it shows all the signs of a 'blockage', that only during 'burps' or 'throat clearing' events, makes any real intrusion to the surface.
    What is happening within the collapsed shelf on the western side is an access point for the alluvial aquifer sands to gravitationally enter the edges of the salt dome layers, creating pools of brine and undermining the salt at unknown levels. As the freshwater enters it then forces out pockets of gas and even oil by dispacement. The pressures down there have taken on a dynamic all it's own.
    I knew the simplistic graphic would fail to convey this but was a model that many could wrap their minds around. It is more like a spiderweb of freshwater incursions, seeking equilibrium, but acted upon by so many veriables. It is literally roiling underneath the actual Salt Rock Cap downwards, and we do not know actually where.
    Further subsidence is a given, because equlibrium cannot be found. Especially with the vast amounts of brine TB is sending into a failed cavern.
    The more pressure from beneath will continue to force any and all gases to seek release points.


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    • Thad

      Frox –sorry this is no more plausible than your previous– First time around with your own graphic you show a connection between the sinkhole and cavern via the debris shaft. And on the graphic and by your words you claimed that lighter fresh water passed through the heavier brine and into the cavern.. NOW realising the impossibility your scenario has changed – Now claiming there is no direct connection. BUT still claiming that fresh water is being gravitionally drawn down from the aquifer to the salt— Won't work, first the bottom of the aquifer sand is 300ft above the top of the salt -you show that quite well in your graphic– yes we know the scale is not true– the dimensions are. And this 300 ft gap is filled with the heavy brine which the lighter fresh water would have to 'sink' through to get to the salt. You comment about brine being pumped in to the cavern– that verify that both side are filled..
      "the vast amounts of brine TB is sending into a failed cavern." This is not really a vast amount when the amount of oil taken out is subtracted from the amount brine pumped in —


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  • FREEDOMROX

    @rainbow. have you noticed no BC updates for over three days now? Please don't allow Thad to distract you from the enormous danger facing ya'll tomorrow. I only hope DNR will not approve the H2S flaring.


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Yes, I noticed. What did you expect would happen? They put that info out there for our benefit, because we asked them to do so. It was never hidden.

      Thad is a friend, and has been deeply concerned and suppostive through this whole thing. I also disagree with his approach much of the time, but his approach does not lessen his knowledge, and knowledge he DOES have.


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      • FREEDOMROX

        Ummm, don't understand your response…what would I expect? That the BC Updates would be posted everyday. 13th is the last one. I never said it was hidden, and it should be public knowledge and not just for your benefit. So, yes, that has me confused…

        Thad is a narrow minded, 'I know everything because I drig you', and cannot acceot any information that his training doesn't cover. I am glad he is your friend, and I have tried… but his arguments are circular, and not an observation of the actual facts. He justs likes arguing.

        So if it's all about Thaddy boy, then have a nice day, and best of luck!


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        • FREEDOMROX

          My concerns remains the same. Just as sometimes people are wrong, sometimes they are right, sometimes not.

          That doesn't change the fact that Texas Brine is about unlawfully, but evidently not illegally, flare off Hydrogen Sulfide gas, that will definitely harm your health in a short period of time.

          http://www.texasbrine.com/response/2012-12-16_TBC-Update.pdf

          "The Observation Well remains shut in until a final inspection of the
          equipment installed to safely contain and flare hydrogen sulfide is completed
          Monday. Pending approval, liquid hydrocarbon and any accumulated natural
          gas will be displaced to the surface from cavern #3 on Tuesday."

          That is my biggest concern at this moment, but I guess we all have our own priorities.


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      • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

        I must respectfully disagree. I am on DNR's website everyday, I visit the update pages, etc… they make it very difficult to find anything up to date. The actual page that you are supposed to click on for updates is not up to date. There should be one place to find all of the information… and I am sorry but The Assumption Parish Page does not provide that.


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  • many moons

    Interesting that they are focused on the problem that the road may need to be rebuilt. And they are on it, plans have been drawn, the road is important but what plans have been made to save the population that it seems is effected by the pollution.
    Evacuation plans?
    Compensation plans?
    Clean up?
    Oh but the road is important so industry can continue….


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      C'mon guys…

      People have been bitching about the road being open for months.People have been bitching about how close the sinkhole is getting to it for months. People have been bitching about the inconvenience it will be if the road IS closed. It IS a major thoroughfair, and not just for industry, but for people on each opposite side of Bayou Corne that have to travel it twice a day, already driving an hour commute to Baton Rouge, and closing the road will add on another hour to that. School buses will also be on the road 2 hours longer each day. When that road IS finally closed and people have to start detouring 60 miles, THEN everyone will be bitching about THAT.

      The people HAVE been ordered to evacuate.
      The people ARE being compensated.
      Texas Brine IS doing clean up. (though useless and ineffective)

      How does any get that they are "focused" on the road now from one article saying they are looking at a new road? OBVIOUSLY there is no choice BUT to plan for a new road.

      Yet, people are now gonna bitch about that? I agree with a lot of talk about how this has been mishandled, but people just seem to want to bitch no matter what.


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      • many moons

        That's wonderful, here I thought the people of the area in question were struggling with the difficulties of not even knowing what kinds of pollutants they were being exposed to and being told by Texas Brine.."leave if you don't feel safe". But you are saying that the people in the area are well informed, compensatedd for loss of land and they are just looking for a reason to complain.
        Well you are so right..it's all good and we are just bitchin for nothin.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          Wow….it took you almost 24 hours to decide to make a second post about this?

          No, I am not saying any of the above. I responded to YOUR post implying that the "focus" is now on a new road.

          "Interesting that they are focused on the problem that the road may need to be rebuilt."

          Then you ask…what about evacuation plans, compensation plans, clean up plans?

          I simply answered your questions, noting that ONE article about building a new road doesn't mean that that is now the "focus". Obviously a new road is going to have to be built, right? Yet the mere fact that they finally decide to do something about it draws even more criticism from you. I don't get that.

          People have been ordered to evacuate and are being compensated for doing so. A healty amount too. Yet the very people that have refused to evacuate, while still taking the compensation are the ones bitching the loudest about any attempt at progress. I was confronted by several neighbors for allowing the installation of a geoprobe on my property. This was by folks that have not evacuated, and claimed my allowing this was putting them in "danger". Imagine that…

          I also pointed out to you that closing of the road would not just hurt industry but MANY people that travel an hour already to get back and forth to work. My point was those will be the next people bitching, and rightly so.

          And FTR…Not all of us want buy outs. I for one don't. I want the problem fixed.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            Ok…who's next in line,since it now looks like y'all gonna all take a shot at me? Make it quick though.I have a meeting video soon.

            And yes, Freedom, I will post it right away tonight.


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          • richard richard

            i hear you rainbeaudais that you don't want to relocate. That would be a reasonable response (i wonder how the people of fukushima felt about that).

            But what I'm replying to is that you 'want the problem fixed'.

            Personally, I don't think you'll see it 'fixed'. Certainly not in the short-term. Maybe in a few years.. maybe.

            There could be forces at play that even TB are not aware of. I tend to wonder if the water table is rising, in which case you'll not see any improvement in this lifetime.

            Anyway, I think if I was in your shoes, besides doing the video docos, I'd certainly be making plans to move, and most likely to much higher ground.

            Good luck with it all, to you and the locals affected.


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            • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

              I don't think it will be fixed either, Richard, but I'm also not ready to give up and say yeh, give me some money and it will all be okay. I want them to try. Or I want them to admit to us that it can't be fixed.


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              • richard richard

                Yes rainbeaudais, I like your points there. Thanks for that. I truly wish you well, it's going to be a long haul.


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              • many moons

                exactly, you want them to try….I think they should try too. I also think the reality is they are focused on themselves and that has also been a problem cause that's how this mess began. Putting toxic waste anywhere is a difficult task to manage. Putting it into salt domes where it can't be managed and can leak and invade land and water is a bad idea. Texas brine knew that before the caverns started falling apart. I don't think you should have to take a large or small amount of money and leave….a home is much more than money can buy….but it seems like the industry will never try to solve the problems of the people in the area and the other problems will be resolved if they present problems for industry in the area…I think the only resolution you might have may come from a lot of bitching and fighting in court maybe tip over a bus..


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                • jec jec

                  Texas Brine should be asked to MOVE each and every home to a new and safe location. House, barn, docks/driveways out buildings/fencing livestock..you name it. THAT dollar amount would catch their eyes. Again legal aspects should be known as to citizens rights in all this. Somewhere in our US Constitution we are protected…


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        • Anthony Anthony

          Its funny many moons you say this because earlier I thought the sinkhole is a distraction from Fukushima. What`s happening at Fukushima is what I think is important for us all.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Well they can bitch all they want but you do need a highway to evacuate thus it is a rather important issue. IMHO


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  • stopnp stopnp

    Yeah. How about some evacuation plans. Seems to me that the dangers to the residents is a tad bit more important than a road.


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    • richard richard

      wont they need the road to evacuate ? ;)


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      • davidh7426 davidh7426

        No they wont, the section of Hw70 that is threaten by the sink-hole, is just the easiest route to take.

        If that section is compromised then the residents are not cut off, just very inconvenienced as the only other rout means crossing the bayou then heading either north or south.

        Though if Hw70 is compromised then it's really only a matter of time till the community is also swallowed.

        I suspect the road will be built for the convenience of the companies NOT the residents, though I doubt there'll be any residents left by the time the road is finished. A road incidentally paid for by the state of Louisiana and it's residents.


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  • Sol Man

    The people of Bayou Corne are so much more important than the road- wish somebody would help to get them out of there…yesterday! Folks, I do not know why you stay as there is too much risk.


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  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    By the time they get a new road built the sink hole will have swallowed it too!


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    Has anyone else seen this? It is the results from the Frac they tested in the cavern and other sites… it's labeled October?

    http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/DATA_SAMPLING/Shaw/SPL_2012100109AA_10042012.pdf


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Way over my head ibuilt, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.


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    • sentinelle sentinelle

      Hi Ibuiltthis,
      They mention comparing the fingerprint of oil when trying to sort out the sources of leaks, I wonder if this list of ingredients is a sort of fingerprint of the oil found here.


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      • PavewayIII PavewayIII

        That's exactly what it is, sentinelle. The two samples are from crude on the surface of the sinkhole and crude from the cavern. Anything they pump out of the cavern goes through a frac tank to separate liquid oil from gas. That's where they got the sample.

        Nothing too interesting in the samples – they're both crude from the same source. That's what they were trying to find out back then.

        The alphabet soup of chemicals is what's in all LA crude for the most part. Which is also why you don't want to breathe that stinky stuff to begin with.


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      WOW, great find. Tomorrow I will compare it to the other piano chart which had two samples and an unnamed control sample and post a comparison somehow. One of the first things I noticed was the specific gravity of the "frac tk fluid from cavern". I think they are saying that the sample which was taken from the cavern had a specific gravity below 1.0. I haven't scanned through the whole report but a quick search didn't find the word dilute anywhere. So I am feeling like this means there is fluid in the cavern which has a specific gravity lower than 1.3, the Sp Gravity of fully saturated brine.

      Hey Thad, check that out. I was traveling so I haven't taken time to dissect your last reply but most of it looked like crap arguments. I might take time to shred it tomorrow.

      Ibuiltthis, Thanks a ton for the link! Think you can find a piano analysis for Macondo oil? All I have found so far is from a piece of coral which had a deteriorated or weathered sample.


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      • Thad

        16Penny–"taken from the cavern had a specific gravity below 1.0."

        As water has a sg of 1.0 to be less the sample would have to be oil or water and oil mix. Water can not exist in a salt cavern with out being saturated at sg 1.3 so if a sample of brine was pulled from the cavern was less then it was mixed with oil or diluted in some manner after being pulled—


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      • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

        @16Penny… I will see what I can find tonight.


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      • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

        @16Penny…. BP Fingerprint should be attached, I believe it is an attachment at about Figure 7… scroll down you will see what I mean. Please let me know if this is what you wanted.

        http://niust.org/media/publications/Wade_et_al_2011.pdf


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          I was looking for the graphical output that shows the PIANO analysis I think but this may have enough data to compare. I am new to these graphs but not graphs and charts in general. I should have something up by this evening.


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        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          Wouldn't it be interesting to find the same fingerprints in both places?

          I must disagree with the assertion that these companies have not identified it yet.. lets face it, they have mega computers, data for generations and have, without a doubt, fingerprinted, poked, prodded, and pinged every damn oil pocket on this planet..

          the technology they have is astounding, and I just don't buy it.

          I suspect, when they are forced to "publicly" identify the hydrocarbons, we shall all be shocked..

          Any chance they are trying to figure a way to tap it? as opposed to not? I mean, oil just laying around for the taking?

          ..or is it perhaps from a larger cavern?

          ..or maybe from the Gulf?? so impossible to believe, that they are not saying???

          hmm.. keep at it super sleuths!! your pursuit of the truth will keep the pressure, on high!


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    • Thad

      Frac in this case refers to the lab process used to breakdown the sample in to individual components. The list is the different hydrocarbon components making up the sample– Note: Mol% is equivalent to percent by volume– almost all are less than 1.0%


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  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

    oh don't feel dumb… I don't understand it either, however, I will research it tonite and try to make sense of it.


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    • FREEDOMROX

      If I may? You are looking at all the ingredients of crude oil, and some lighter crude, in the diesel range, and small amounts of gasoline, with a high sulfur content.

      Also, Texas Brine has made a side business of selling the oil it is recovering, the amounts, which are shown on the daily BC pages. You will also see the amounts of brine that are being pumped into failed cavern and not returned to the 'sinkhole', or Lake Oxy 3, which is shown by the diminishing salinity levels from depth to surface.

      It is plugged that well, although seeps are inevitable. Hence the burps, belches, and farts. Sorry Crude Humor…. :)


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      • FREEDOMROX

        I do want to amend this to state that Texas Brine is PUSHING copious amounts of brine into the failed cavern, because they are bringing up 3100 plus BARRELS OF OIL A DAY from the 'Observation Wells', along with flared gas and WATER. Not Brine, WATER!

        Please, someone wake the hell up!


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        • sentinelle sentinelle

          Isn't there only one observation well to the cavern? And it's the one that the brine is being pumped into, right? I thought the oil was being pulled off the surface of the sinkhole and not sucked from the cavern via an observation well.


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          • sentinelle sentinelle

            "TX Brine has plans to take hydrocarbons off of Oxy #3A on Tuesday, 12/18."

            Just noticed this, so obviously they are pulling hydrocarbons from the cavern.

            http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/20121217BCChecklistAMPM.pdf


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            • FREEDOMROX

              Thank you for just noticing what I have been posting on these threads for days. So perceptive. Congrats!

              No, that won't earn me any friends, but that is not what I am here for, nor to talk endlessly over nuke releases.

              Too easy a target.

              Horrific, but already accomplished. I want to stop a 'Suck Out' disaster worse than has already happened, and again, because of greed. No disrespect intended to any posters at all.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            sentinelle…you are correct.

            The oil is going in to the cavern from one of the production zones. they think the Big Hum. brine is being pumped in to the cavern from the observation well to float the hydrocarbons to the top, where they are collecting it.

            Here's the stats on what they have collected the last 2 weeks, and the TB link showing it on a daily basis.

            14 barrels on 12/6
            19 barrels on 12/5
            7 barrels on 12/4
            60 barrels on 12/3
            7 barrels on 11/30
            18 barrels on 11/29
            19 barrels on 12/28
            14 barrels on 12/27
            95 barrels on 11/26

            http://www.texasbrine.com/response/

            I an VERY anxious to see where Freedom is getting his figures from.


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            • sentinelle sentinelle

              Thank you rainbeaudais for confirmation and clarification!


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            • FREEDOMROX

              I haven't turned on you, Rainbow. As for my local source on the amount of oil being pumped out…
              Nevermind. The local source finally sent me the info. It is not as it seems, but he had me convinced until I saw the BC Inspections Report he was referencing.
              I just had to explain to him that it was cumulative totals he was looking at, not daily totals.
              4009.21 to date with crude price at 87.00 is $348,783 that Texas Brine has mad off this in oil and is not daily. I do not know what they are doing with the other totals hydrocarbons, and someone is missing a fortune in methane they are just flaring off into the area.
              I apologize for believing the faulty source, but he is a good man that did not understand what cumulative meant. The fault is mine.
              There is oil that sits on top of the cavern shown in their own graphics but is either still there, or gone into the well by now.


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              • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                Well Freedom, that is still incorrect. The land owner is getting those oil profits, not TB.


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              • sentinelle sentinelle

                This is from memory, so correct me if you find facts that show me wrong.

                It seemed that early 2011 or earlier they reopened the cavern to try to produce more brine. At about the same time another company came in, or planned to come in and drill for oil outside the wall of the salt dome where the cavern is located.

                When they went back to produce more brine – or to drill for the oil, they were looking at older sonar images and didn't realize how close to the edge of the wall they were working inside(brine production) or outside(hydrocarbons) the cavern.

                At some point they lost pressure in the well to the cavern and realized the cavern had been breached and closed up the well with cement. This is where I think it was first reported and nothing was done except to keep it secret. Early 2011.

                From then until this past summer, the earth has been falling apart and into the cavern.

                Is this pretty much the way everyone else is following the timeline?


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                • sentinelle sentinelle

                  …and I shouldn't end with 'until this past summer' as it's obviously ongoing.


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                • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                  No, another company never came in to try to drill for oil. TB wanted to rework then cavern to try to work it further up to produce brine again. In doing the MITs, they found the loss of integrity. The letters followed. The cavern was plugged and literally abandoned, and no followup by TB or DNR was done,and yes, then problem has been brewing ever since.


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                  • sentinelle sentinelle

                    Thanks again, that's helpful. People keep mentioning oil being drilled for, and there's obviously oil there coming from outside the dome, so thanks for the clarification that there was no oil drilling prior on the outside wall of the cavern prior to the collapse.

                    Which of course makes sense, or all the drilling equipment would be at the bottom of the sinkhole!


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                  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

                    If you go back to the 2009-10 production reports for this well, you can see where pressure was bleeding off whenever they stopped injecting. I would argue that TB must have suspected that they blew the cavern by the end of 2009.

                    Whoever issued them a work permit to expand the cavern upwards knew that they had not tested the cavern (with an MIT or sonar) for years before that. Texas Brine should have never been allowed to start grinding away their well casing without an MIT *first*.

                    Doing an MIT half-way through that work over is damn suspicious. That frightened them into getting a seismic survey to see how bad they actually screwed up the edge of the salt. Surprise – they probably breached the salt at 4500' back in 2009. It just didn't implode/explode yet.

                    They over-mined the top of Oxy#1 so much I'm surprised that one hasn't collapsed yet.


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  • sentinelle sentinelle

    So…. what is the source replenishing the hydrocarbons in the cavern. If the top of the cavern was contained and the brine sealed the space between the hydropcarbons and the "sludge", it would seem once the hydrocarbons were removed they would be gone. My reasoning being that the path of least resistance from the source of hydrocarbons (outside the salt dome) would be straight up through the collapse material.

    - Unless the source of hydrocarbons is from beneath the floor of the salt dome or within the salt dome, then it'd make sense for them to float to the top of the cavern.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    No, They drilled for oil sitting on top of the cavern, which is why both DNR and TB reports in 2010 shows a depth of 3400 ft. It was to draw off the oil pocket, (considerable), just abaove the cavern and breached it instead. Now that it has gone this far, then why not go with the original plan if for nothing else, the costs of litigation.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Also, they hope that Big Hum is flowing into the remains of the cavern so they can draw that off as well, and brine, of course breaks down shale rock flooding in to release the oil.


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  • Steve_G Steve_G

    5:15 p.m. Office of Conservation Fines Texas Brine Additional $160,000
    by assumptionla

    Office of Conservation Fines Texas Brine Additional $160,000 for Continued Failure to Comply With Directives

    Fines levied on Company to date total $260,000, with further penalties possible for noncompliance with Conservation orders

    BATON ROUGE – Louisiana Commissioner of Conservation James Welsh announced today that his Office has issued Texas Brine LLC $160,000 in new fines for continued failure to comply with provisions of his November 12 directive to the company. These fines follow $100,000 in penalties already issued to the company for noncompliance earlier this month.


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  • Hope they are planning to build the road on pontoons … just in case ;)


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    HOLY SHIT!! We have new helicorder and check what it is showing right now..

    http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA10_EHZ_GS_10.2012121812.gif


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      notice the different delineators.. DHZ, EHZ, HHZ, and BHZ.

      Does anyone know the difference? I will be looking it up, but sure is curious.. also, I do not know where the new helicorder is located, and there are a couple off.. wonder if the geoprobes are feeding their info here??


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      • PavewayIII PavewayIII

        First letter is the sampling rate.

        D = 250 – 1000 samples/second
        E = >80 sps [E]xtremely short period
        B = 10 – 80 sps [B]roadband

        Second letter is the instrument type. You'll always see H for [H]igh gain seismometer (vs. accelerometers, etc.) for CERI stuff.

        Third letter is orientation code

        Z N E – Traditional seismic geek codes for vertical, North-South and East-West axis.

        I don't think there's any kind of formal standards for this. It's more of a data transmission identification 'block' specific to one data stream (channel) from one instrument on a seismic network. There's different three-letter codes for other kinds of instruments on meteorological or ocean monitoring networks.

        On radiological monitoring networks like those in the U.S., you only have two channels: [O]ff, and [B]ogus.


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    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

      Oh please…..why all the drama? A new well is being drilled ON the TB site. Maybe read upon info READILY available before starting drama?

      And here I thought this was finally a legit site where people weren't fearmongers, dramatics, or just more arm chair experts trying to get their 15 nminutes. How disappointing….:-(

      http://www.texasbrine.com/response/2012-12-17_TBC-Update.pdf


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      • @rainbeaudais; yeah, you're right … no cause for alarm – it's just a puddle. Everybody go back to sleep. All is well. When you first cam here I had hopes that you would add to the conversation with a local viewpoint – now I see you arn't any different than Thad – spouting the same corporate propaganda for whatever reason.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          when the TB CLEARLY says they will start drilling another well ON their site today and it is CLEAR that they have installed NEW helicorders ON their site and THAT helicorder shows THAT kind of activity, then ANY reasonable person would figure that activity shown on the graph is DRILLING activity.

          Corporate propaganda? LMAO…wrong.I just deplore DRAMATICS for no reason except to creat more dramatics.


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        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          no doubt, and wouldn't it be appropriate to inform residents who might be watching that: new helicorders are in place, old ones are down, the different hertz measurements mean x thus we have y..

          please rainbowed, go back to sleeple..or add to the conversation. No one cares about your subjectivity, we are trying to be objective with the details even while we fear for those that live there.. you are welcome to tune into your nightly news for the details, or you can help us figure them out..

          so a response, that would be helpful to the discussion would have been something like, oh, the new helicorders are located by the TB site, and oh, the measurements mean this.. and oh, they did update their report.. or perhaps even a simple, oh yea, check out TB update.. especially since October some time when there started to be a lag, often long lag in daily reporting.. (certainly reports are now being read by some official to be sure they do not give out too much or misleading info)

          Funny, your behavior in general occurs to be exactly what you claim of others.. obviously your 15 hasn't been enough for you.. are you going for 30?

          Maybe your plan, is to alienate those that care, and therefore silence the conversation.. are you a troll?


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            yes, I am a troll. You got me. And trolls don't do others work. Try to educate yourself a little bit before attempting to read a siesomograph that you have NO training in OBVIOUSLY instead of posting "HOLY SHIT…LOOK AT DEM MONITORS. BAYOU CORNE MUST BE CAVING IN THIS VERY MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!"

            Hows THAT for drama?

            Oh…and both of you can bite me….:-)


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            • FREEDOMROX

              Rainbow is no troll, and she does make good points. I jumped the shark on a story that I really thought explosive and it was provided by a local. I made a claim before I could verify the information…that was my mistake.
              Once I received the report then I verified that his conclusion was erroneous, and I am mortified. I did not in any way mean to be the cause of all this drama. I am sorry.
              As for the new heli, I do not think it is even properly calibrated yet and have no clue yet as to its location, but I trust Rainbow does…and there is drilling there today. Look at all the other heli's and you will see this on a smaller scale.
              Rainbow is human just as the rest of us are, and is in the middle of a nightmare. Cut her some slack.
              As for my own part in this, I am deeply ashamed.
              Especially since I just found out the local is an employee of a TB sub-contractor. I won't make that mistake again.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            Oh, and hey Charles….I thought it was you. Now I know for sure…


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          • bwoodfield bwoodfield

            @Cataclysmic, rainbeaudais has been providing information and videos about this ongoing calamity for quite some time. She has never fear mongered, exaggerated, or "trolled" at anytime. She has simply presented the facts without trying to add unnecessary drama.

            She replied to your "HOLY $H!*" comment, and JHewes76's rudeness, informing you that the reading were more than likely caused by ongoing drilling of a new well. You even stated yourself, you don't know what the data meant, nor where it was located, yet you posted an inflammatory comment before learning all the facts.

            She is living there and experiencing this first hand, risking her life to get footage. I think she would be the last person that you should be accusing of trolling.


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            • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

              Thank you bwoodfield….


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            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              @bwoodfield she did not reply more than likely, and I did say, I do not know what it means or where it is, and her reply was neither helpful, nor informative and mostly abrasive and self serving.

              Also, history tells us, that those that are initially against certain things can in fact be bought..

              I posted an inflammatory comment to her asinine comment about this site..and the people on here. "And here I thought this was finally a legit site where people weren't fearmongers, dramatics, or just more arm chair experts trying to get their 15 nminutes. How disappointing….:-("

              Further she went on to say "and it is CLEAR that they have installed NEW helicorders ON their site and THAT helicorder shows THAT kind of activity, then ANY reasonable person would figure that activity shown on the graph is DRILLING activity."

              Which is misleading and not true.. see my post at 2:28, and further she then says, "LOL…cat…obviously you don't do ANY research. Where does it say anything about the new helicorders?" which she contradicts from her first nasty post.

              Just as an aside, many of the documents that have been shared here and by idahopicker have been located, researched and shared by me.. search my name and sinkhole.. been here on this much longer than her and I appreciate her attempting to calm things down, but she doesn't have to be hostile to everyone all the time.. she could ignore things and let those willing to answer do so. as I have.


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              • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                My reply was initially to your dramatic HOLY SHIT…blah blah blah, Charles.

                Texas brine has been posting about the geophones every day since 11/29/12. Again, it's obvious you are trying to enter in to a discussion without doing any kind of research, but rather rely on people like idahopicker….your biggest mistake. You just said it yourself.

                I am not hostile at all until I start seeing the crap I've seen the last couple of days, including accusing me of corporate propaganda, or even HINTING that I don't take this situation serious.

                Posting a graph as you did, along with your comment IS fearmongering, and you do it well. It's needless though. We have enough fear already without people like you making more up.


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              • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                And no, I am not going to ignore ANY misinformation, and sorry if that hurts your little feelings.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          I do have a local viewpoint. Just because I don't pee my pants every time I see what is obviously artifact on a seismic graph, and you don't like the fact that I don't, doesn't mean my local views aren't valid.


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        • Thad

          JHewes76 —
          Have no idea where you are coming from other than ignorance Hey the sinkhole is not in your back yard. You are dense if you think rainbow or myself are down playing–She lives there and she along with the other residents are my friends.
          There is an ever growing sinkhole connected by a debris shaft to the cavern. There is oil and gas coming up from broken formations, there is H2S they are wanting to burn forming a different poison, Crap they don't know where it going to pop up next, there is a void somewhere equal to the missing 2.75 million yd3. Waiting on 3D seismic to locate There's the DNR and TxBrn and a governor that doesn't see the urgency the residents do. And because we don't want to hear from make believe experts– those who prefer belittling to documentation does not mean we are down playing the problems—
          NOW do you have a suggestion how they may solve their problems–?


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        Geez talk about misleading.. yes TB report says "Installation of the third pressure monitoring well on the Texas Brine site
        began this morning. Two such wells were installed last week."

        But, where does it say anything about the location of our new helicorder, that is going bezerk, being on or even near that site??

        oh, and what about this? "Dr. Stephen Horton, a seismologist at University of Memphis on the expert team, told Dupré in a recent telephone conversation that heavy equipment and trucks used at the sinkhole site could cause monitors to show extra activity. He had previously explained that, to avoid misreadings, the monitors were placed away from where the equipment is being used and away from heavy trucks traversing the highway."

        http://www.examiner.com/article/la-sinkhole-was-predicted-grows-500-square-feet-larger-after-seismic-activity

        Seriously, check out that helicorder..unlike anything we have seen yet.. so it sure as hell better be right on top of the drilling rig..LA10 makes 3 and 9 look tame..

        http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA10_EHZ_GS_10.2012121812.gif


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      (sarc)Ya Cata, that is normal. After they install new helicorders it is customary to place a tamping device next to it to see if it works. If no activity is caused by the tamping device(usually hand held) they revert to hitting it with sticks and stones.


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    Wow….amazing the reactions I get once I stated Thad is my friend. Anyone that watches my videos knows better than to say I'm about corporate propaganda. That's funny.


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    • richard richard

      i gotta say rainbeaudais, the dramatics that have come to enenews of late do tend to stand out.

      Generally I don't recall such a bun fight going on around here as what is occurring with you and your friends related to the sinkhole.

      Maybe it's just in everyones blood from those parts, to antagonise and argue.

      I know I've gone off at people here, but its generally been one issue related and resolved within a few days. The Lousianna chapter of enenews just seems to want to fight with each other.

      Anyway, as you all were. I've not interjected on the bickering before, but this seemed like a good location to express my opinion, for what it's worth. Carry on. ;)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    As I recall today is the day Texas brine begins flaring H2S.

    Flaring H2S..it makes my head hurt just to think about it.

    I was sent this interesting story..

    Sour Gas releases and Mississippi's Coast

    http://healthygulf.org/201206261887/blog/healthy-waters-/-dead-zone/sour-gas-releases-and-mississippis-coast

    And this… H2S

    http://www.webshells.com/ocaw/txts/doc999903.htm


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Perhaps of note.. monitoring includes..

    Under..Department of Transportation and Development.

    -Continous monitoring staions are concentrated on Hwy.70 from Bayou Corne Bridge east to Hwy. 996 …to include a 1/2 mile stretch of LA 69 from the intersection of LA Hwy. 70.

    http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/assumption_update_december_13-2012_fi_546.pdf


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  • Thad

    It is really quite simple why Frox has a problem with me-
    I am one of the few that by training, background and experience that will challenge his claims and his rather fantacyful theories.—- I dare to question and dare to present such simple things as the laws of physics to show were he is wrong.
    Yes I'm blunt- EESPECIALLY WITH THOSE PRETENDING TO BE EXPERTS AND KNOWLEDGEABLE. And it is difficult to gentle handle one whose ego is so involved in his fantasy.
    There are those less knowledgeable than he who seek knowledge but don't understand where he is misinforming and misleading and so are being fooled, and so reluctant to accept it– wanting him to be real.
    But distortions, misinformation, misinformation is all he has..
    No man can repeal the laws of physics– a lighter water will not sink through a heavier brine. If freshwater did travel the 300 ft down from aquifier bottom to the salt, dissolve salt becoming heavier brine how would more of the lighter fresh water displaces to continue dissolving salt– not a singular impossibility but a circle of impossibilities.
    No man can change facts– TxBrn did not apply for a permit to drl into the cavern until AFTER ordered to do so by DNR when the sinkhole formed–.
    And why is it when ask a question, for clarification or documentation the response is evasive or belittling rather than an answer— Note he started his belittling of me BEFORE I was even on this page.
    DON'T LET HIM TREAT YOU LIKE A FOOL –YOU ARE NOT ONE


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  • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

    Thanks Thad…I get it. And I did indeed see where the belittling started on this page, and it wasn't you. You know I would say it if I thought it was.


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  • ironbark

    NATURE'S oil PRODUCTION cycle – SALT made the world go round
    http://www.salt.org.il/geo.html
    ya,need to stop fighting and learn how,Tx Brn trashed the salt dome


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    • FREEDOMROX

      Very interesting theorum, but only explains a part of the process and this is done over many years time. Not very conclusive either.
      I appreciate the contribution since it reinforces my position, but not a cure all. Sorry.
      I hav no objection at all to arguments, as that is how as a people we learn and grow, just have reservations concerning "know it all's" that hinder such argumentation for the goal of an enlightened view.
      I applaud you with interjecting this data, but nowhere near conclusive with what is happening in 'real time' with the 'sinkhole' or Lake Oxy 3.
      It does offer tempting clues though and thank you for the contribution.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Monitoring projections of sinkhole draw outbursts

    http://theadvocate.com/home/4718520-125/monitoring-projections-of-sinkhole-draw

    I think the Japanese people may not realize that they are in for the 'fight of their lives'.
    The people of Assumption Parish, LA…do.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..I'm asking my fellow Enenewers to pitch it a little extra hard today for these people.
    Please send this story about.


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