Published: November 11th, 2011 at 1:56 am ET
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Comment by Grace:
All the posts I’m putting about demos and petitions are getting lost
All these brilliant links to health info. are getting lost, as are all these amazing documentary links and links to other groups and organisations, such a wealth of quality material.
Does anyone else think and feel that it would be a good idea to have a few sections in the menu bar for links with brief objective notes so that the knowledge, so hard won by you guys, could be pooled So often the brilliant stuff comes out of conversations, only to be lost in the sheer volume of words.
In order to prevent important information from being lost in the comment sections of old threads, enenews is implementing permanent discussion threads for various topics. For example, the new Post Your Radiation Monitoring Data Here thread.
Please leave your suggestions for topics in the comment section of this post or via the submission form below.
Visit the new Discussion Threads Homepage here: http://enenews.com/discussion-thread-home
There you will find a list of discussion threads, as well as a list of the 20 most recent comments to those threads.
Hopefully it will simulate a forum, except users don’t have the ability to create new topics — but are encouraged to suggest them.
Published: November 11th, 2011 at 1:56 am ET
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ADMIN.
Im just going to be blunt.
There are way too many shills here right now…
Im getting tired of it… Every time our discussions are moving in the right direction, some Asshat pro nuclear / promo tech hops on, tells us that there is no fission, that fog forms in 0 humidity and nuclear fuel cannot explode…
You really might want to consider how to fix this…
Because I feel I am a dedicated user, and that not only I, But many of us are getting tired of these clowns, ruining the conversations…
Food for though…
Also you should communicate more…
Give updates, on your views since you started. Your favorite posters, Areas you think the groups should focus ect…
Another question…
Has anyone made you feel like shutting down (random bad luck, getting pulled over alot? Anyone trying to shut you down or buy you out)…
You should add an about me page… Let us know ideas you have, for the site, and ways we can help you (even doing web mod ect).
Well TTYl.
Emmy.
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An engineer is conditioned to make assumptions and those who don’t become slaves to making assumptions often have difficulty even graduating or solving problems in classes. This narrow channeling of thought is sometimes forgotten when new situations arise where those assumptions are no longer valid. In the mind of the engineers commenting, the nuclear fuel may not be far from its pristine form with mediators and other controls still present. As the fuel melts, moves, and interacts with other materials, it is difficult to model how gravity, flow, and even percolation is sorting the materials. Also, while nuclear fuel tends to decay within a pattern, with so many wild cards of other elements now thrown in and such large quantities of fuel in play, it may even be difficult to model the fuel state. It is difficult to model chaos.
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Tacoma-G
Just ignore the Shills, stay on message.
You’ve been one of the voices in the wilderness.
The shills can’t fight reality.
You have no idea how much crap i took in March when I said the Containments were breached, and the shills were saying it’s all contained.
I just kept hammering on the pictures.
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Don’t worry, Admin. I totally appreciate your need for privacy and anonymity! (try living near D.C./agencies) This blog should not be about individuals or their agendas. ENENEWS sets forth facts, observations & important news that has been overlooked during the worst nuclear disaster to date.
Thanks again for compiling stories & commenters from around the world–it does effect all of us!
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…affect all of us! (grammar-challenged & still dealing post-Hurricanes!) We definitely need all the news sources we can find during these disasters.
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Dear Admin,
thank you for listening and working as you do
A discussion thread for demos/actions around the world may also prove a messy situation. A drop down, month by month thing may be a more practical solution for people to get involved.
Another drop down thing for petitions also
I am not sure, maybe Greenpeace have a list of each anti-nuke group, there are loads, yet so often not joined-up. We need to co-ordinate, network and act together without fear.
We are doing this out of love, surely
There is a growing groundswell that has the potential to motivate more and more members of the public, without terrifying them. Most people would rather have a comfortable lie, over an uncomfortable truth, and this is tragic for the beautiful diverse life on our planet.
Anger is a grief reaction and very understandable. This anger, when peacefully directed within organised actions that directly address both the public and the PTB will become a force to be reckoned with, at present there is a lot of energy wasted, a lot of actions are not even getting the recognition form other anti-nukers.
We need to support each other
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Love for Grace is Terrapower, or cold nuclear fusion.
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Grace, What part of “nuclear” do you not understand?
Rossi’s cold fusion reactor achieves 15 kW for 18 hours
http://pesn.com/2011/02/22/9501770_Rossi_cold_fusion_reactor_achieves_15_kW_for_18_hours/
“Cold fusion refers to a proposed nuclear fusion process offered to explain a group of disputed experimental results first reported by electrochemists Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
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That first link is great anne, thank you.
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This is a nice user friendly explanation of the Rossi reactor, maybe it is bunkum, but I hope not.
http://wemustknow.net/2011/03/welcome-worry-free-nuclear-power-rossis-energy-catalyzer/
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Grace, thanks for your link.
Nuclear fusion
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Fusion energy, the awesome power behind the sun and stars, has long been the “holy grail” of nuclear researchers world wide. Its proponents argue the vast potential for cheap, clean energy from hydrogen isotopes extracted from sea water, without the long term radioactive waste associated with nuclear fission. In simple terms, the fusion process works by combining light atoms, such as isotopes of hydrogen, under very high temperatures and pressures to make heavier ones, such as helium. Fission is the opposite: it starts with very heavy atoms, such as uranium, and splits them into two or more pieces called “fission fragments” or “fission products”. Both fission and fusion release large quantities of energy, which can be converted into heat and electricity. Nuclear fusion does produce radioactive waste. However, in contrast to fission produced wastes, they are short lived and decay to background levels in a very short time.
While great strides have been made over the past few decades, the high cost of research, and very expensive hardware, limits most of the work to multi-national consortia. Current research efforts are focused in two main areas: inertial confinement and magnetic confinement. A third method, so called “cold fusion”, had the research community all a-buzz in the early 1990′s with the prospect of a much cheaper alternative. Although cold fusion still has its supporters, most…
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Although cold fusion still has its supporters, most of the mainstream scientific community has dismissed it “poor science” (or worse).
http://www.radwaste.org/fusion.htm
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Grace, Your link says that cars cannot run on solar and wind power. Actually they already are. Solar and wind power convert into electricity which is stored in batteries. We already have pluggable electric cars which running on solar and wind power.
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The take on Cold Fusion By prof. Christos Stremmenos
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497
Conclusion.
“It follows that, according to given data, the Photoelectric phenomenon and the Compton Effect, could explain the absence of radiations in the Focardi-Rossi system, which, from the amount of producing energy versus the consumption of Ni and H2, as well as from the experimental observation of element transformations, lead undoubtedly to the acceptance of hydrogen cold fusion.
References:
(1)www. journal-of-nuclear-physics.com /Focardi Rossi/ (A new energy source from nuclear fusion)
* I believe that the phasmatometric tracing of copper is the most definitive sign of nuclear fusion: From the relative bibliography (HANDBOOK OF CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS, 66TH edition), it follows that the stable non radioactive isotopes of nickel are the following five:
58, 60, 61, 62 and 64. These, when fused with a hydrogen nucleus, are being transmuted relatively to Cu-59, Cu-61, Cu-62, Cu-63 and Cu-65. From these isotopes of copper only the last two (Cu-63 and Cu-65) are not radioactive, i.e. they are stable. The other three Cu-59, Cu-61, Cu-62, are being transmuted again to Nickel, with an average life expectancy of some hours and the most unstable Cu-59 in 18 seconds.”
Not ready to make steam yet, early days though…..
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Apr15-08, 10:05 PM , #10, Astronuc , , Posts: 17,658, Degree: Nuclear Engineering
“The D + T reaction produces 14.1 MeV neutrons and 3.5 MeV alphas, and in that sense it’s radioactive. The neutrons will slow activate the structure enclosing the plasma chamber, so some of the structure overtime will become radioactive.
“The D + D reaction produce p + T or n + He3, with about a 50/50 split in probability. T is a low energy beta emitter. In the plasma, T will react with D, n’s will leave the plasma, and He3 may react with D in an aneutronic reaction, (D + He3 -> p + He4).
“There are other radiative processes in plasma that produce radiation, namely recombination (ions recombining with electrons – think Lyman, Balmer, . . . spectra) and bremsstrahlung radiation. With plasmas at keV energies, there is a fair amount of low energy gamma, X-ray and UV.”
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=229142
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Grace, you can get cancer from both X-Rays and UV rays.
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The Rossi reactor is generating radiation and needs lead shielding.
Nuclear signatures to be expected from Rossi energy amplifier
by Jacques Dufour
Abstract: the nuclear signatures that can be expected when contacting hydrogen with fine nickel powders are derived from thermal results recently obtained (Rossi energy amplifier). The initiation of the reactions (either by proton or neutron capture) is not discussed and considered as true. Proposals are made to check the process either by radiation emission measurements or by elemental analysis (ICP-MS)
1. Intruduction
In a recent paper [1], results are presented on vast amounts of energy (kWh) generated by contacting Hydrogen at pressures of tens of bars and temperatures round 400°C, with nickel powder (with an unspecified additive). No harmful radiations were measured, which is attributed to the presence of a lead shield absorbing γ emission occurring during the run and to the very short period of the instable species formed during the run and decaying after shut down. ….
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=211
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Cont.
“9. Conclusion
“Strong nuclear signatures are expected from the Rossi energy amplifier and it is hoped that this note can help evidence them.
“It is of interest to note that in [3] a mechanism is proposed, that strongly suppresses the gamma emission during the run (it is the same mechanism that creates very low energy neutrons, subsequently captured by the nickel. This does not suppress the emission after shut-down, which should be observed, together with the transmutations described above.”
by Jacques Dufour
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=211
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It needs two inches of lead shielding.
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Yuk, I just looked at Terrapower, not my cup of tea at all.
Bad Idea.
For the blooming record !
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whats this then….a bleedin democrasy?
admin is our leader… heil admin!!
hehehe!
nuclear finances we can update nuke costs as they come in)….
pr tactics (who is doing what and maybe why?)…
scientists who support the nuke industry line with the media and how they are qualified or compromised…(if they want to stick thier heads over the media parapets they are fair game for us amateur sleuths!)
links to local activists organisations by country with dates and places for actions
links to organisations for donations (specific)
schill zone lol
free biscuits (non radioactive
that should do for now!!
morning everyone!
peace
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oh and a heroes and villians page where we could post a summary of the good and the bad personalities of this disaster in the media, politics etc (could be an interesting one…. might need to put down some basic rules on this, but it could be fun?)
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Great idea. I get tired pointing out the same things over and over to a pro-nuke person.
1) Earthquakes
2) Health questions and reclaiming the land
3) Political questions
4) Promotions of Terrapower
You could just refer by date and poster to a previous discussion within that permanent discussion topic.
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1) Earthquakes could include all discussion of volcanoes, HAARP, nuclear bomb conspiracy theories (which I think are bogus).
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Discussion of filtering water, filtering air, types of Geiger counters to buy, Maybe general discussion of basic nuclear principals. Part of the problem is Nuclear is very technical average person knows very little has no comprehension of units Bequerals Seiverts rads counts per minute. Report on iodine MSM doesn’t mention Cesium or mention Cesium but not plutonium or all the other things. Fact that fission makes particles positively charged probably has something to do with how particles get distributed. I have a theory that nuclear bomb tests were really tests on low level exposure. Before Fukushima I was not aware of nuclear energy as a major source of pollution. Now I feel quite strongly it should all be shut down. How to shut down nuclear power would be a good topic. Possibly off topic topics like politics, MSM, anything else that this group has in common. Shills seemed to be handled quite well in the past but maybe now they are more subtle. Respect what Tacomagroove said but I don’t know how to deal with them without having some sort of censorship put in place. I can say when I see a shill sometimes I say nothing but when I see a shill specifically harrassing a certain individual it just makes me believe individual more. In a weird way shills point out the truth.
This is a very unique site and I don’t think too much should change. But Grace has a very valid point. But as a thread changes to a different topic much like regular conversation what do…
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But as a thread changes to a different topic much like regular conversation what do you do? Start posting on the respective thread that is about what your talking about? Or should someone be cutting and posting to that thread?
Very decent group of people here. God Bless to you all
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A mortality thread please.
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Radiation Effects on Health, too, please.
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First of all my sincere thanks to admin, as we are meeting here daily since March and this is the place where you can find all informations and links. For me personally it would be great to have an archive listed by themes where all the important links can be put at. We are helping anyway through this jungle, xdrfox, tacoma, mark,whoopie, rose,…sry when I didn’t name lots of you.
I would not like to see a political thread here, there are other sites who can do so. We here should stay focussed on a good overview on Fukushima, NPP worldwide and reliable informations on a scientific base. I am not a friend of shills and aggressive people who try to show up all their fear they have by harrassing and trolling. But the hardcore here takes care of these people here, anyway.
Also, I would not unveil who you are, admin. All the spies could easily find reasons why they could delete a blog like this – you know what money can do.
Japan somehow is so powerful that even the NRC stays mouth-shut? It seems the Japanese gangsters would like to dispose their nuclear waste insid each and everything worldwide. If they have the power to let all media stay mouth-shut then it would be easy first to concentrate all the people on one site, for example here, and then close it down, so the people who search for informations get lost and mis-or uninformed.
I would like to see a Fuku-main thread, a “rest of the world NPP thread”, all the other ideas mentioned above are ok for me. AND PLEASE:…
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I’ve been checking the TEPCO status reports regularly since the event, hoping in vain for them to finally come clean and make a proper assessment. I’d like to see a thread which keeps a watchful eye on this, and also encourages meaningful interpretation or alternate views from the users here so that everyone can check the current status, not just the official reports but the consensus of the ENENEWS community.
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I’m GAME with whatever you guys decide to do.
Man oh man, just came through a Tweet HEARTBREAKING PICTURES
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2011/04/03/japan-inside-fukushima-exclusion-zone.html
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Leave the site as is.
I like it that I read RANDOM comments from time to time. I learn something that I might not have otherwise known.
Keep your links or comments in you own document for reference. Links and data become outdated too quickly. The user should keep track of this themselves.
Youtube videos is easy. Setup a FREE youtube user channel and create ‘playlists’ of videos you watch. You can categorize these as I have done. Then reference them as needed.
Click on my user name above to see my youtube channel playlists. This has saved me a lot of time.
The Rad Detector readings thread doesn’t cut it for me. It’s better than nothing, but what is truly needed is a database style page. By Country, State, City, with brand of detector and the user’s level of expertise etc… Otherwise it’s too much jumbled data.
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What I would like to see is a “Best Comment of the Week” thread. I guess you would also then need a ‘Worst’ comment thread.
(my last comment did not seem to post for some reason?)
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Dear ChasAha
thanks for that hint on what for to use that link-ability of the login-name
I’ll test it next time.
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Month by month demo area.
Petitions, really important, there are so many and it is something that we can all do from our caves.
Health and Protection links.
Art.
keeping the site as is, yet allowing for links to be posted when the poster thinks they are valid.
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A Doom zone too, for anyone who is feeling really really sad about this, I humbly offer the following palliative:
http://27bslash6.com/sad.html
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Oh how sweet Grace! Thank you…even though I dont believe it, thanks anyway!!
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Majia I just posted your post from yesterday.
Would love to see you check in with us HP Regulars soon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/northeast-japan-earthquake_n_964767.html?ir=Green
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Ability to upload a picture within limits.
One avatar without having to jump through wordpress loops.
One reasonable picture per thread starter.
A Protesters Resources thread.
A place for all things related to protesting.
Planning
Events
Stories
Media
Tools
Signs
Bumper stickers
like:
Particulate Radiation doesn’t Biodegrade, it Halves Lives
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Is enenews evolving?
Seems to be moving to more of a forum than a blog…
Maybe wordpress is too limited for enenews?
What would be the drawbacks?
Less security?
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Heads Up in case you missed it from yesterday:
1 of 3_The Fukushima Syndrome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZKogQ88KmI&feature=share
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1. A permanent thread where people can post info on international resistance actions/demos
2. A permanent thread where we can post links to substantial research sources on all potential health effects from low-level radiation, so that people can read it for themselves, independent of nuke industry
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I LIKE THAT ARIZONAN! Like the LINK I just posted below – this MD needs to know we support him AND needs to know about US!
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Found a NEW SUPPORTER in our cause to end nuclear! An MD no less!!
1. It should be obvious that nuclear power plants must be abolished.
2. Corporate-Political Corruption brought nuclear power and an increasingly radioactive environment to us, and only by cleaning up the political system can we help clean up our environment.
http://www.vitalissues.info/
And ATTN all Japanese:
A Rally to Stop Nuclear Power
http://sayonara-nukes.org/english/
This is where I found the MD ABOVE!
EXCITING!
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CORRECTION
He’s not an MD.
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umm.lol..I suppose we could use a bit of organization around here.
…but be advised that it makes it easier for shills/trolls to ‘peghole’ the posters.
..it’s easier for them to gather a consensus as to the beliefs of a particular crowd.
..I like the way our crowd rolls with the tide.
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Hey we know we are right, just like the pronuke trolls think they are right I guess. I don’t mind if they try to dissuade us; let them argue. We have an enormous amount of research on our side, whereas the nuke industry is dependent on theoretical and magical numbers pulled out of the ether. Their preferred “dose-response relationship” is based on mathematical fantasy, not on actual observable data collected and analyzed in a scientific way. Let’s bring our awareness and debate to every human who happens across enenews, and they are now in their thousands and still growing.
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well said arizonan….we need to bebate the pro nuke points and be able to check thier facts and allow them to check ours…cool way to improve our position against the nuclear double speak…. i really think after my investigations on this matter that the anti nuclear camp has some of the most powerful arguments and facts…and more and more information getting past censorship all the time!! citizens around the world are mobilising to do thier own testing…and this i feel will really help us to build a picture of contamination to improve on the wealth of info already out there!! im a pesimistic bugger me!
they covered up chernobyl and it worked. but with fukushima the information gathered about chernobyl and the wealth of physical evidence will be the nuke lobbies downfall..we didnt have that in 1986
peace
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+10–Gracie’s got her own thread,…even says so!
We rolled fine before.
If it ain’t broken -leave it the hell alone–urrr um, don’t fix it.
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I think the point is to stop nuclear power.
I think direct action is important, organised peaceful and even fun.
We need to co-operate.
We need to trust each other.
We need to work together.
The more people we have on board, the better; the more people we talk to, the better chance we have of achieving our objective, which is to phase out/shut down fission reactors and to clean up the frikkin’ mess we have made of this beautiful home world.
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Grace there is something about you, you are here to take the anger out of people it seems, all those smiles and your posts all lead offopic to simply getting rid of nuclear, I don’t know, but I don’t want other like Tacoma upset, we love her comments, we come here daily just to read what he has to say and others ofcourse, guess admins under some kind of threat and needs o play cool and this is the first major change since grace has been here, and she’s ‘a different kind of poster’ her and acidlab, just don’t worry about them
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anne, I am a peaceful person. I upset Tacomagroove because I failed to put in quotation marks in my first ever post here. Please forgive me, forget my punctuation error and move on.
There is something about me, I am angry, I am furious, I am sad about the structures that are present in the ‘civilisation’ on this planet, it is not fair and the little things suffer.
My focus is on the safe shut down of nuclear power, revolution is a mug’s game, Taco was right to say ‘evolution’ of government, both of society at large and of individuals, we control our own minds.
Thoughts, words, deeds, habits, whoops there’s a lifetime, I do not want hate and paranoia in my life.
We need to work from our hearts, from love, for ourselves and for others, I desire to alleviate suffering.
The nuclear industry feeds on anxiety and hate, it is repellent to me and to the other people here.
I would ask that you do your thing in the way you do, I celebrate your success, you are a fine researcher, a keen wit and possibly a good fun person to know, and that you allow others to do the thing that they do. Your personal references to me are exhausting and counter productive.
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@Heart of the Rose @StillJill
+1 +1
I estimate this is a ‘working/brainstorm-thread’ to collect various ideas and might be followed by a none-personalised orga-thread with kind of ‘top-10 condensed topics’ to be regarded closer.
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been busy lately and haven’t followed comments too much… forum site was in the works but integrating the two different platforms wasn’t working as well as hoped. Grace’s comment got me thinking about a semi-solution to the forum problem. we’ll see how everybody likes it. there are so many topic suggestions to sort through. thanks everyone!
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So many good ideas.
Here are some more thread title suggestions:
“Ideas for handling the disaster”
Who knows, someone may have a useful idea for handling some of the problems that the disaster has produced.
“Places to post you opinion”
Links to other sites, where you can share important news, that need to go viral. Email addresses to the press, governments etc.
“Protect yourself”
Suggestions to how you and your loved ones can avoid radioactive contamination.
“Art”
Poems, song texts, pictures, vids and other ways to express yourself
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Another one:
“Dear Admin…”
For writing messages, suggestion etc. to Admin
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And yet another:
“Suggested new threads”
From time to time someone makes a post in a thread that deserves its own thread.
I know we have the Tip Submissions side box, but a thread would allow other users to give their consent as well.
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Lovin’ the Art suggestion
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No radiation detected in West Coast fish
http://news.ca.msn.com/local/britishcolumbia/no-radiation-detected-in-west-coast-fish
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Conspiracy theorist. Tendencies towards extremism. Would like to clean up. Compares Nowaday Europe with Nazi Germany. I would not be too excited about this guy.
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i would really like to see a thread on what radiation detectors are good and which ones arent so good, separated by price range, like up to $50, $50-$100, $100-$150 and so on, so those of us on a tight budget can still get something that works reasonably well for our money. also a list of places where we can get a good deal on detectors as well.
also perhaps in the same thread , where to get reliable supplies, like potassium iodie pills , water filters etc.
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Dear Admin,
Thanks for your effort on this site, and lots of people whom put their comments and knowledge.
I think that the news website has no problem technically, and it is really help for me.
The main concern it seems on the forum. I suggest to use an Separate Domain for it, and call volunteers to work as administrators for different discuss threads, such as the truth and news of Fukushima, the knowledge of Nuclear containment, the ways to avoid it ,treatment, and “Find out whom is behind of it”,in China we have an Chinese word called RenRou(human meat) to find these people in behind individually, reveals the their personal privacy in details. Even in our dictatorship system, it make them afraid, now some local government officials, when the appear on the government TV ,the put an mask on they face!!
There is a few of very active posters on this website, and at least some of them established the credit to be trust by you, and us readers some way or others.
And I wish that they can work as administrators for different topics on the forums.
The most difficult part of this website may be the possible attack by Hackers, be prepared for it.
I have a close friend running Chinese news website in USA for about 20 years, experienced all kinds of attacks technically and individually from Chinese CCP ,but he survived till today, he has experience on this issue, and I hope he can share most of his expert with Enenews.com for free.
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I like the new headline that shows the news sepatated by Japan and US, but what about the rest of the world? I’d really like to know more about france because i live in europe >_<
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I would like a way to put “thought bubbles” above the heads of the TEPCO board members in this photo;
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5130/tepco.jpg
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I would think a thread like ‘Possible side effects of Radiation Exposure’ is worth separating out from protection and remedies, etc. People may be experiencing similar unusual symptoms in the same area which probably are not documented anywhere. With fall approaching, leaves falling, first rains – material that had been suspending in trees will be coming down to our level. I like the new changes to the enenews site, btw. Thanks admin.
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for those who may not know http://www.naturalnews.com/032087_radiation_sickness_symptoms.html
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Local leaks and cover-ups.
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/sizewell_probe_into_water_leak_at_nuclear_power_station_1_1025350
The accident in 2007 was not reported to the public, there were significant releases, only after much pressure did they admit that there were any. I remember it, sirens going off, everyone acting normal, wtf. Turns out a major disaster in one of the spent fuel pools was averted because a laundry worker noticed the very low levels of boiling bonkers water.
If we can do this on a world wide level, the effects will have to be noted. Every year this industry, each plant is permitted a release level. Who is counting the accumulated levels, does this figure get adjusted to account for the monstrous levels from Fuku…. methinks not! Trying to get an answer from WHO about these so-called safe levels and whether they have any input or are these figures entirely at the discretion of the industry.
Asking questions, raising awareness.
Sending the love to Enenewsers
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Who gives a damn what WHO thinks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization
The WHO is financed by contributions from member states and donors. In recent years, the WHO’s work has involved increasing collaboration with external bodies; there are currently around 80 partnerships (“official relations” and “working relations”)[30] with NGOs and the pharmaceutical industry, as well as with foundations such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation. By 2007, voluntary contributions to the WHO from national and local governments, foundations and NGOs, other UN organizations, and the private sector, were more than double the level of assessed contributions (dues) from the 193 member nations.[32]
Talk about whores?
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Bah, this whole global society seems rotten to the core.
What to do?
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Just a side note on MSM outlets…
1. WE the people granted the Nuke-indusrtial complex the rights to oversee the EPA and WHO info before being made public back when we built the bomb.
The new standards (Won’t hurt you-might kill you though!) that were given to MSM were ADVISORIES drafted by the NRC! They couldn’t change what the EPA have on the books, but CAN issue advisory amounts to MSM’s!
So, if you need to know WHY nothing is being said?
Also, the entire MSM engine is owned by only 6 people… they also happen to own things like energy companies, fuel-oil companies, and are relatives of the powers that be.
As a former SGT in the USArmy, and a N.B.C. rapid responce crew member… no amount of radioactive content in your environment, much less your body!… is in any-way healthy!
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Bare Metal facts might be a good topic
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A list of institutions and MSM which lied with proves for this. I am starting with this brief announcement from 15 of march. World Nuclear News and their misinformation
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/IT-All_Fukushima_Daini_units_in_cold_shutdown-1503114.html
It seems to me that lies here are more than words used to state them!
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I like the ‘liars’ list idea. Here’s a start.
Here’s a Kodak moment to remember from March 22nd, 2011.
Headline: U.S. Safe From Japan Radiation, Berkeley Lab Expert Says: (Tom McKone, a senior staff scientist in Lawrence Berkeley)
http://newscenter.lbl.gov/feature-stories/2011/03/22/mckone-q-a/
Here’s another photo of an ‘expert’ liar. March 17th, 2011 (Kirk Smith – epidemiologist)
http://bnrc.berkeley.edu/latest/radiation-fears-unfounded-campus-expert-says
Question: “What is the danger to people on the West Coast?”
Answer: “The short answer is essentially none.”
This is their “spin” from the beginning, it is their answer now, and it will not change even when their hair and teeth start FALLing OUT.
I would be horribly embarrassed if that were my photo on the page. Ludicrous, yet not really funny. This guys statement is so far out of line, that this should be PROOF to anyone that the “spin” mode is effect and will remain in effect indefinitely.
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Please vote for my question to be included in the Fox News Republican Presidential candidate debate tonight.
Here is my question:
“Many of you call for building more nuclear power plants-but we still have no plan for permanently and securely storing the vast amounts of nuclear waste already produced. How will you address this major threat to our security, health and environment?”
And here is the link to where you vote (once you go to the page, type nuclear into the search bar to bring up my question):
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-debates/ask-candidates-fox-news-debates
Thanks
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Correction–the debate is not tonight; it’s Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 9 p.m. ET.
That leaves more time to try to get this question onto the list.
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Done
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thank you!
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I would find it very useful to have a search function which brings up recent posts from one user. This would help get around the ‘now you see it now you don’t’ aspect of conversations here, I always remember who I’m ‘talking’ to but rarely remember the thread.
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New to commenting but not new to the site: Thanks Admin and EVERYONE(excluding shills) for being informative and helpful.
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How about “Theories on how radiation travels”? Jetstream, weather patterns etc, Like why your neighbors back yard shows low radiation while yours is high. Clumping phenomena of radiation particles. I believe radiated particles are positively charged. Does that have something to do with it? Radiation comes down in the rain and snow. What about mountain communities that rely off of snow melt fed rivers for their water supply? Bio-accumulation through the Pacific Ocean food-chain. That would be a good topic.
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More ideas. How about “Theories on how radiation travels”? Jetstream, weather patterns etc, Like why your neighbors back yard shows low radiation while yours is high. Clumping phenomena of radiation particles. I believe radiated particles are positively charged. Does that have something to do with it? Radiation comes down in the rain and snow. What about mountain communities that rely off of snow melt fed rivers for their water supply? Bio-accumulation through the Pacific Ocean food-chain. That would be a good topic.
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I would also like to see a thread about radiation detectors and equipment. I am also interested in a discussion about the different types of measurements and the conversions between them.
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Topic Suggestion: What are the psychological affects of this catastrophe? Short term and long term. How do you deal with it?
Sub Topics – Like… How does one best explain this stuff to a child? At what age? They’re going to need to know. How do we teach them best?
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Suggestions for Forums:
How has the EPA Dropped The Ball – (links and opinions)
NRC Asleep At The Wheel (Nuclear Regulatory Collusion)
- (links and opinions)
President Fears Discussing Radioactive Fallout – (comment on why you think this is)
News Blackout and Mainstream Media Feed Control – (what is the affect and what is the solution?)
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Has anyone heard of Fire Up The Grid 11-11-11? People all over the world, at a certain time, are stopping to give thanks to Mother Earth and envision her in a healthy state. It is an effort to raise the frequency of the earth. I just heard about it. I figure it can’t hurt. It is at 3:11am PST and 6:11am EST. Everyone will have to work out their time according to your time zone. You can even do this while lying in your bed. ; )
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I saw an ad. for EDF energy here – they must be laughing their heads off. wtf.
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Dear Admin, a forum for gathering information about storage, disposal, repositories for existing nuclear waste. It would be useful to have one place with research about the prospects that are being considered (Yucca mountain, for example) for those interested.
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[url=http://www.my-santa-letter.co.uk]letter from santa[/url]
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Is it time for an “Evacuation” thread? Might be a help to people in Japan, U.S., etc.
Thanks for everything, Admin! You have created an amazing place.
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i am currently working on a little project and am trying to find any child related contamination articles from japan..
the articles can be from aound the world.
also any articles related to children fromthe japanese science community…
anybody got any info on the imperial social services of japan? tweets even? bet something is going on there!?
to any japanese readers, this will go to a child rights charity who are formulating a report on the children of japan.. japanese articles wellcome!! green action japan have a problem with the fukushima update page on thier website and it causes the browser to freeze.. i contacted them requesting info but no reply?? bet they have press packs ready to go but how to get to them??
off to work now.. hope you all can help here.. could be mighty useful for the kids in japan!! fingers crossed!
in the words of the SAS
“who dares wins!”
banzai!!
no nukes!!
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Suggestion: Enenews Timeline.
Admin, please consider this suggestion:
An interactive timeline to give newcomers (and the rest of us too) an overview of the situation in Fukushima since 3/11.
The sheer amount of data in the Enenews Archives would take a new visitor many days just to browse through.
Those of us who have been with Enenews for a long time have learned to match the bits of information from various articles into a picture of what lies behind the veil of misinformation that covers many of the articles.
It is a bit like driving by a hedge or line of trees. The motion allows you to see trough the branches and foliage and see what lies behind the hedge. If you stop and try to see through the hedge, only a few glimpses of light penetrates through and all you see is the hedge itself. Just reading a few articles does not give a person the insight to know what lies behind some of the articles. A historical timeline of the Fukushima events might help convey the things we have learned.
I imagine that the data could be presented in two columns:
| What actually happened | What the Pro-Nukers said happened |
The discrepancies between the two columns and the consistency of the discrepancies over time is one of the important lessons I (and many others here, I’m sure) have learned.
I hope it could facilitate newcomers here in getting the overview many of us have developed during the past 9 months.
I am not sure how this should be presented. Perhaps something like the IEEE interactive timeline: http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/fukushima-and-the-future-of-nuclear-power/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110311
Others here may have better suggestions on how to present this.
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Thank You ENENEWS!!!
(1)Relocation Support (south of the Equator)
(2)Lies
(3)If you are staying…some power politics
Yo…for the politically minded (or Libertarian frightened) check out this strange animal= Americans Elect http://www.americanselect.org/
Even if it turns out to be a “mud-wrestle”(originally I’m from Texas) or worse, it might be a great place to inject some reality – a la enenews.
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/01/03/is-opposing-the-patriot-act-adapting-for-americas-future-or-returning-to-the-founding-fathers-yes-says-americans-elect/
http://news.yahoo.com/american-select-223108261.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/americans_elect_obamas_third-party_tar_pit.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/americans-elect.htm
Just a thought :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hightower
this guy used to really kick it up in energy politics back in the 80s and he’s got that Will Rogers thing going on.
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Yo…for the politically minded (or Libertarian frightened) check out this strange animal= Americans Elect http://www.americanselect.org/
Even if it turns out to be a “mud-wrestle”(originally I’m from Texas) or worse, it might be a great place to inject some reality – a la enenews.
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/01/03/is-opposing-the-patriot-act-adapting-for-americas-future-or-returning-to-the-founding-fathers-yes-says-americans-elect/
http://news.yahoo.com/american-select-223108261.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/americans_elect_obamas_third-party_tar_pit.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/americans-elect.htm
Just a thought :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hightower
this guy used to really kick it up in energy politics back in the 80s and he’s got that Will Rogers thing going on.
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-stay out of the rain
-stay in the best health possible
-take lots of antioxidants
-research the strongest antioxidants known to mankind (clove oil, chaga, gingko biloba, astaxanthan, megahydrate, green tea, THC, acai, goji, blueberry, blackberries, Vitamin C)
-take zeolite, bentonite, apple pectin, chlorina, spirulina, ginseng, alfalfa
-take water with baking soda
-avoid the ocean, and fish
-avoid milk, and meat
-avoid known radioactive sites: Fukushima, Chernobyl, Fort Calhoun, Cooper, Los Alamos
-do not live downwind or downriver of a nuclear plant(75% are leaking tritium)
Some more good info here:
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
For emergency lighting, you can use Coke bottles filled with water and a little bleach placed into the roof of your shelter:
Use a 2-Liter Bottle as a 50 Watt Light Bulb lightbulb hack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeGR0TEljj0
wiki japonesa :http://www47.atwiki.jp/goyo-gakusha/
site to primeiro ministro japones : http://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/index-e.html
http://japan-afterthebigearthquake.blogspot.com/search/label/diary
http://www.appealforfukushima.com/en/
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/exclusive-arnie-gundersen-interview-dangers-fukushima-are-worse-and-longer-lived-we-think/58689
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/05/12/emergency-levels-japan-nuclear-radiation-forecasts-censored-public-22648/
http://www.archive.org/stream/engineercorpsofh00sher#page/n7/mode/2up
http://www.youtube…
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I think the above could be the start of thread “How to combat radiation”.
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Streamings:
Geiger:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/gm%E3%83%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%82%BF
FUKU;
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
http://lucaswhitefieldhixson.com/lucaswebcamwatch.html
5m = 1h: http://www.youtube.com/user/fuku1live http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live
15 min = 1h :http://www.youtube.com/user/fuku1long
http://mfile.akamai.com/127380/live/reflector:51361.asx?bkup=52045∝=a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dLqZEk26K4
http://pointscope01.jp/cgi-local/f1np/f1np1/imageview.cgi?mode=past_frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptmoVcgpqg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.webcamhopper.com/japan/fukushima.html
http://www.weather-forecast.com/locations/Fukushima/webcams/latest
http://www.nippon-sekai.com/main/articles/great-east-japan-earthquake-of-2011/fukushima-daiichi-live-stream/
http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=4&Itemid=193
leite infantil :
http://milkfor.me/
Quimicos uteis:
ferro, calcio, iodo
anti-radicais:
resveratrol, spirulina, chlorela
Agua:
http://precisioncanada.com/water/pdf/waterevaluation.pdf
http://precisioncanada.com/water/pws1220.html
http://www.highwaterfilters.com/coming-soon-radiation-filters-c-38.html
medicina:
http://stevemoyer.us/radhealth/
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/211120-Natural-Ways-to-Remove-Heavy-Metals
http://blog.imva.info/medicine/treatments-nuclear-contamination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKAVtK_kTzo STAN MONTEITH & DR…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKAVtK_kTzo STAN MONTEITH & DR RUSSELL BLAYLOCK – NUCLEAR THREAT OF FUKUSHIMA (1/4)
http://www.naturalnews.com/032103_ginkgo_radiation_protection.html
http://www.compassnaturalmarketing.com/2011/03/16/kelp-and-the-fallout-zone-natural-foods-stores-in-western-usa-sold-out-of-radiation-fighting-supplements/
http://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/3_radiation_in_food/aina/shapleymain.htm
http://www.nuclear-codex.org/doku.php/11_last_resort_chemicals
Gingko Biloba:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019122956.htm
apple pectin:
http://www.naturalnews.com/031969_apple_pectin_radiation.html
misc:
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T13209.html
Boron&Clay
http://newparadigmdigest.com/5706/additional-radiation-protection-from-boron-bentonite-clay-and-fulvic-minerals/
Zeolite:
Dr. Matthias Rath
Dr. Hugh Riordan
http://www.zeolite.com/
http://www.farmacia-internacional.net/tienda/nutramedix-zeolite-capsulas-p-13237.html?utm_source=shopmania&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=direct_link
Misc:
http://homeopathicmedicines.biz/herbs-for-nuclear-radiation-poisioning-and-protection/
http://www.cqs.com/japannuclearemergency.htm
MASCARAS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirator
BabyMask:
http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/child-smartaf.htm
http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/baby-ranger.htm
MASK P3
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddiy&field-keywords=Mask+P3&x=0&y=0
NIOSH…
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Other antioxidants:
Chaparral contains a potent antioxidant constituent
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_defeatcancer19.htm
Resveratrol, Potent Antioxidant
http://darshana-vaishnav.suite101.com/what-is-resveratrol-a50008
Antioxidant activities of various fractions extracted from Astragalus
http://www.academicjournals.org/ajpp/PDF/pdf2011/15%20Sept/Luo%20and%20Fan.pdf
Selenium is a natural antioxidant [be careful to not take too much selenium which can be harmful).
http://tsangenterprise.com/selenium.htm
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Yes, please! A ‘Radiation Exposure and Protection’ thread is badly needed where folks can post links and discuss especially food, drink, herbs, other natural, medical and technical (hazards and) remediations and remedies both for the land and our bodies. After all, we all eat, drink and breathe and there are a fair amount of folks here already and seriously conteplating indoor gardening.
A Shill Zone to direct the distractors to would be most welcome.
A grateful thanks to Admin for this invaluable gathering of a concerned and growing community.
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A list of foods with estimated uptake of radiation would be very useful.
In sorted order, from least to worst… green vegetables, fruits, grains, beans, meats, milk etc.
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Thanks Kx for links.
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More antioxidants. The only of these two lists I’ve compiled that I didn’t take when fighting cancer was Resveratrol which I don’t think was available in 1989-1999. I had no cancer after 1989 but took no chances.
Studies on the Antioxidant Activity of Echinacea Root Extract
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf990677%2B
Antioxidant activity of yellow dock
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20623623
“Burdock root and its tea also contain at least five powerful flavonoid-type antioxidants that are more powerful antioxidants than vitamin C….”
http://www.vitamin-provider.com/burdock-root.htm
“Dandelion roots offer both food and medicine to some dedicated harvesters. Both the leaves and flowers offer antioxidants’’’”
http://www.livestrong.com/article/454245-are-dandelions-high-in-antioxidants/
“Spirulina contains a wealth of antioxidant vitamins C and E, and beta carotene, as well as the antioxidant minerals selenium, manganese, zinc, copper, iron and chromium. Research has shown spirulina to protect vitamin C from potency loss….”
http://www.naturalnews.com/023337_spirulina_food_health.html
“Collard greens are an excellent source of the three main antioxidants in foods: vitamin C, vitamin E, and vitamin A (through its concentration of pro-vitamin A carotenoids like beta-carotene). Another way in which collard greens provide antioxidant support is through their concentration of the trace mineral, manganese. In the human body, manganese functions as an enzyme activator. Just one of the vitally important enzymes manganese activates is the one that helps the body utilize vitamin C. In addition, manganese is an integral component of an internally produced antioxidant enzyme called superoxide dismutase. Superoxide dismutase (SOD) is found exclusively inside the mitochondria (the energy-production factories within almost all our cells), which it protects from the damaging effects of free radicals….”
http://www.terawarner.com/blog/2008/10/an-afternoon-of-green-smoothie-relaxation-and-all-about-collards/
Pau DArco Tea, Herb Amazingly Rich in Antioxidants
http://www.antioxidants-guide.com/pau_darco_tea.html
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I also seasoned with thyme (unheated) another antioxidant:
“Thymol—named after the herb itself—is the primary volatile oil constituent of thyme, and its health-supporting effects are well documented. In studies on aging in rats, thymol has been found to protect and significantly increase the percentage of healthy fats found in cell membranes and other cell structures. In particular, the amount of DHA (docosahexaenoic acid, an omega-3 fatty acid) in brain, kidney, and heart cell membranes was increased after dietary supplementation with thyme. In other studies looking more closely at changes in the brains cells themselves, researchers found that the maximum benefits of thyme occurred when the food was introduced very early in the lifecycle of the rats, but was less effective in offsetting the problems in brain cell aging when introduced late in the aging process.
“Thyme also contains a variety of flavonoids, including apigenin, naringenin, luteolin, and thymonin. These flavonoids increase thyme’s antioxidant capacity, and combined with its status as a very good source of manganese, give thyme a high standing on the list of anti-oxidant foods….”
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=77
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I also drank lost of Bancha Twig Tea: Unfortunately, it is now full of radiation.
“Kukicha tea benefits are numerous and potentially profound. Its primary impact lies in its alkalizing abilities; kukicha tea helps to alkalize the body’s fluids and tissue, thereby balancing acidity levels and preventing disease.
“Kukicha twig tea has the strongest alkalizing ability of any Japanese tea. It is also packed with nutrients. A cup of twig tea is a good source of calcium, zinc, selenium, copper, manganese and fluoride. It is also a rich source of B-complex vitamins, vitamin C and A, flavonoids and the same polyphenols that have made green tea known as a cancer-fighting food, catechins.
“Catechins act as powerful antioxidants, minimizing the effect of free radicals before they have a chance to damage other cells. One catechin in particular, epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) has twenty-five to one hundred times the antioxidant capability of vitamins C and E, which are the primary water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants. Research has shown that EGCG may not only prevent cancer, but also suppress tumor growth, and block enzymes which help to spread cancer within cells. Many have claimed eating a macrobiotic diet, including kukicha twig tea is a cure for some cancers. Although there is no scientific evidence of this, George Ohsawa may be correct – kukicha tea is one of the most balancing beverages, and therefore is an integral part of optimal health.
“The best thing about kukicha tea is that it helps to maintain proper functioning of the kidneys and liver, two crucial body organs that aid the process of decontamination. Kukicha tea has natural ingredients that are proven to have detoxification activities and antioxidant properties. This helps your body remove unwanted by-products and harmful wastes, keeping you disease- free and healthy.
“Kukicha tea also aids in production of bile, which subsequently enhances digestive processes in the body. …”
http://foreverhealthyandyoung.com/index.php?post=203
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It goes like this from least to worst for radiation uptake: candy, green vegetables, fruits, grains, beans, meats, milk, etc.
Juuust kidding!
I need something to laugh about…
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yeah, I’ve noticed I’ve been consuming more cookies made before the accident… Not that they’re good for me!
Sugar=bad stuff!
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