New Scientist: Dump all Fukushima nuclear waste in Pacific, no risk to U.S. — “They have to make people understand low levels of radiation don’t matter” — “None of this is going to do anything health wise”

Published: August 23rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm ET


Title: Should Fukushima’s radioactive water be dumped at sea?
Source: New Scientist
Author: Andy Coghlan
Date: Aug 23, 2013

Should Fukushima’s radioactive water be dumped at sea? […]

On an international level, even if all the waste from Fukushima was dumped neat into the Pacific, dilution would eliminate any radiation risks to distant countries like the US, says Simon Boxall of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton, UK.

The ocean would be the safest place for the waste water, says Geraldine Thomas, who runs the Chernobyl Tissue Bank at Imperial College London. “But to make that politically acceptable they have to talk to the local population. They have to make people understand that low levels of radiation don’t matter because we’re all exposed to it all the time.”

In other words, it is more of a communication problem than a public health problem. “None of this is going to do anything health wise,” she says. “Fukushima is nothing compared to Chernobyl.” [See Buesseler link below]

[…] “Anything they can do to remove the more dangerous compounds and dilute the others [before dumping] is almost the only solution,” says Ken Buesseler of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts.

From Yesterday: [intlink id=”senior-scientist-on-fukushima-chernobyl-nothing-with-potential-of-this-right-on-ocean-theres-no-way-to-really-contain-all-this-radioactive-water-you-cant-really-stop-a-ground-wate” type=”post”]Buesseler: Chernobyl had nothing with the potential of Fukushima right on ocean — No way to contain all this radioactive water — You can’t stop groundwater flow — Every bit of news we’re getting is radioactivity numbers are going up[/intlink]

See also: [intlink id=”ap-experts-fear-giant-underground-reservoir-of-extremely-contaminated-water-is-on-verge-of-entering-pacific-at-fukushima-plant-just-about-to-reach-coast-a-race-against-the-clock-no” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

Published: August 23rd, 2013 at 5:28 pm ET


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88 comments to New Scientist: Dump all Fukushima nuclear waste in Pacific, no risk to U.S. — “They have to make people understand low levels of radiation don’t matter” — “None of this is going to do anything health wise”

  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Dilution is no solution government studies proved this long ago.

    • Cisco Cisco


      Guess her Daddy/Mommy never told her it's not good to sh#t where you eat. And, she can't figure that out! As usual the psychopaths are in charge.

      Garbage in, garbage out.

      • Cisco Cisco

        Let's take up a collection to provide an all expenses, paid 3 days at the beach at Sellafield for Ms. Thomas, her family, and any of her colleague scientists.

        Whadya say?

    • weeman

      If low levels of radiation is harmless, then explain to me the first priority for life on land is protection from solar wind radiation, which our atmosphere and magnetic core helps protect us from, so don't tell me low levels are harmless, show me the definitive study that outlines safe and unsafe levels of radiation, I have yet to see this paper, all I have read is speculation and estimates, no straight answer, on a graph radiation is linear, the more exposure the greater the risk.


    Now I see where the term mad scientist comes from. I suppose they don't believe there's a problem with all of the nuclear waste around the world. Just dump it in the ocean and it will dissolve it. Brilliant!

    • m a x l i

      While we are at it, let's get rid of sewage treatment plants and garbage incineration plants! It's only a waste of money. Fling everything out the window into the street! It don't matter! Sooner or later rain will come and wash it in a river and then in the ocean. There it will dissolve. Dead brilliant!

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        OK! Let's Party On!

      • The secret to dumping radiation is dilution?????

        .. Just bring the Fukushima radioactive water tanks over to these scientists houses and leave them on their doorstep.. Let them figure out how to 'dilute' it. What a bunch of morons. They have no idea what they are even talking about.

        FOIA Proof That TEPCO Has Been Regularly Dumping Highly Radioactive Water Into The Pacific Ocean; via @AGreenRoad

        So as these highly radioactive liquid leaks and dumpings continue and get worse, more and more of this highly radioactive liquid goes into the groundwater and into the Pacific ocean. Where will this stop? How much worse will it become? When will TEPCO and the Japanese government start taking this situation seriously?

        Fukushima – Thousands Of Storage Tanks Leaking Highly Radioactive Water Into Pacific Ocean via @AGreenRoad

        They are claiming that water with 80 MILLION Bq/liter is ok to dump in the ocean?

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    So much for the New Scientist's credibility. Why wear protective vests when getting x-rayed at the hospital? Try to refuse it and see if they make you wear it. I'm sure their insurance company would not allow it. Another respected institution making things up is not my idea of progress. Popular Mechanics was one of my favorite magazines, too. No more. Politics and money doesn't mix with science. Give me that old time science any day. The logic of the scientific method is the way to go.

  • rockyourworld

    yeah, dump it on the beaches the 1% stole! like mitt romneys subsidized extended beach front mansion!

  • Mats

    But he is right!

    There is no other solution.

    Catch it out of the ruins and putting it…where?

    Transmutation is Science fiction.
    To store it under the earth is more dangerous, because there are no places, on earth being safe for Millions of years.

    The only safe way would be to shoot it into space, but maybe the rocket fails.

    So what can they do?

    Nothing else, than putting it in the ocean and then, please, stop nuclear power for ever.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    I guess we can all stop worrying about our polluted skies, now. It all gets diluted, anyway. Plus, we are exposed to it everyday. We can all start burning plastic in our back yards, again. Diluted. Who cares about the gulf oil spill? Not. It was diluted. All the debris field from Japan– Not a problem. Diluted. And political lies, well, we are exposed to them everyday. It's no big deal. It's a big world. Diluted. Street crime? No problem, it's diluted.

  • bo bo

    Ooooookaaayy…..then could we have him prove his theory to us by publicly drinking a glass of water from fukushima?

    Yeah… definitely time to start splashing photos of depleted uranium babies.

    But of course ive done that before and most responded : 'oh don't you know… you are so naive to believe everything online… those photos of babies that look like octopuses… that's mostly PHOTOSHOP! Oh and have you considered counseling, btw ?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Most of the people they locked up in the mental hospitals were actually geniuses..don't feel so bad!

    • bo bo

      When I see movies of people going insane there is always the turning point in the plot where the insane one truly comes to believe that actually EVERYBODY ELSE is insane and he/she isn't. That's when the audience knows the character finally snapped.

      I have similar moments of doubt, like when I see facebook updates about pop stars from my friends in Japan… I truly feel everybody else is crazy, and I'm the only sane one… then I doubt my sanity, for holding such a thought

      My straw of hope is enenews.


    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I better pack….not that I am a genius, but you don't need to be one to see 99% of society is collectively insane, or in such denial…they remind me of a scene out of "Vanilla Sky" when Tom Cruise isn't sure about whether he is awake or dreaming.

  • bo bo

    I would love to 'dilute' this scientist into the environment more than anything else

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    ALERT: this is why it is not safe

    "If you thought HOT PARTICLES where bad, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN' YET! "Experts" are starting to get a glimpse into how little they know about the witches' brew coming out of Fukushima. Today's revelation is that Fukushima Uranium is forming Bucky Balls via the action of salt water.
    So what is so bad about Radioactive Uranium Bucky balls? Well, picture some one throwing very fine, non caking, radioactive "talcum powder" into the air; that in essence is the outcome of this finding. But it gets worse, imagine that radioactive "talcum powder" behaving and dispersing the exact same way when thrown into the water. But it gets worse, notice in the picture above that the Buck Ball is actually a cage, now picture plutonium atoms trapped inside that cage.

    But it gets worse, now picture how much greater a target these Bucky Balls are for spallation in the upper atmosphere. What this finding means is that ALL the dispersion models are wrong, and NOT in the good way. It also means that the internal impact and damage from inhaling or consuming these particles is far greater than would other wise be expected. However, don't expect the "it's safe" mantra to change"

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Thanks to the person who originally posted those links earlier in the day.

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Buckyballs I was wondering when someone would bring up this topic as that was my first thought when TEPCO announced the deluge of hot water spewing into the Pacific, which has probably been flowing into the ocean since day one and the deeper the coriums go the higher the levels seem to get unless TEPCO has been fudging the numbers. Who knows. Thanks for the link.

  • Songie Songie

    @bo, have had similar experience. i have also posted pics of the poor children from chernobyl who were born with hideous deformations, and people think I am the bad guy for "dwelling on the negative"

    but as far as putting it all in the ocean and saying it's all good..what else are TBTP going to do? tell us that in between 2-20 years everybody on the planet is going to die a slow, painful death from genetic malformation or cancer? i don't think so. they will never let on….ever

    just watch, the propaganda machine is already cranking it up with the mantra "low-dose radiation is not harmful" . i've seen it several times just today…….

    • bo bo

      I know.. 'nobody likes debbie downers !!!'

    • or-well

      And Songie, add the "cancer is overdiagnosed" theme that has already made an appearance.

      • We Not They Finally

        Yeah, we saw "cancer is overdiagnosed" on Fox "News." (We couldn't avoid it — the t.v. was on when we were at the health club.) They are PREPARING THE PUBLIC TO ACCEPT THE UNACCEPTABLE. It's pernicious.

        Loved those old movies where they would SLOWLY poison the vic with arsenic. It took LOTS of cups of warm milk just before bedtime to get the job done. I guess that arsenic wasn't that poisonous after all?

        Oh, the victim wound up dead? But are they sure it was the arsenic? I mean, all they got was low doses. Maybe they had a mental problem…..

        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          @We Not They Finally every person who has ever been diagnosed with cancer should then sue both the doctors & the makers of tests used to determine if a tumor is cancerous etc. hmm…thinking some would then have to DEFEND the practice of testing & diagnose…just thinking out loud… Haven't watched tv in years so was not aware of this.

      • Songie Songie

        just follow the money…… new huge billboards in airports 'round the country advertising their brand new state-of the art cancer centers, just think of them like spas really…..very expensive spas…..

  • jackassrig

    Intellectual whores. I'm not trying to insult the whores. "Learn your lines, find your mark, look 'em in the eye and tell 'em the truth." Cagney. This is no time to be pussy footin' around.

  • dosdos dosdos

    Easy to say in Southampton…..

    • Courtesy of "Toxic Sake, a stiff drink of nuclear hubris" on facebook:

      Who is Simon Boxall?

      "On an international level, even if all the waste from Fukushima was dumped neat into the Pacific, dilution would eliminate any radiation risks to distant countries like the US", says Simon Boxall of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton, UK.

      Death soldier for the queen?
      Here's some more garbage this university turns out:

      A study on nuke workers attributes cancer to asbestos, not rads, lmao:

      • Background: The workforce of the UK Atomic Energy Authority has been the subject of several previous epidemiological investigations.

        Aims: To detect and investigate associations between mortality rates and employment in a substantially increased cohort size and follow up extended to 1997.

        Methods and Results: The new cohort included 51 367 employees, of whom 10 249 were dead. Mortality rates for all workers were low compared to national rates, as were rates in radiation workers and for workers monitored for internal contamination. For radiation workers all cause mortality and all cancer mortality were significantly lower than for non-radiation workers. There was no overall trend of increasing mortality with radiation dose. There was little evidence of raised mortality from leukaemia. The association of prostatic cancer with radiation dose was much less significant than in previous reports. However, the relatively high mortality from uterine cancers among radiation workers remained, though the numbers were very small. The association was with endometrial rather than cervical cancer. Mortality from cancer of the pleura was high among radiation workers, but was not correlated with dose.

        Conclusion: Overall, radiation workers at UKAEA showed no excess mortality. The previously detected association of prostate cancer with high radiation dose may have been a statistical artefact or a risk associated with discontinued activities. Endometrial cancer occurred at higher…

        • (…Endometrial cancer occurred at higher) rates in female radiation workers, but, because there was no correlation with dose, may well be due to something other than their radiation exposure. Cancer of the pleura in radiation workers was almost certainly related to past asbestos exposure.

          Why certainly!! not.

          • Mission statement of Southhampton: "Research represents the lifeblood of the University of Southampton. It powers everything we do, from our innovative teaching methods to our growing portfolio of spin out companies."

            So basically, $$$ is what matters.

      • Yukio_Tanukio

        Indeed – Who is Simon Boxall? I'd like to know about his background, family, geneology, religion. Maybe he just returned to the USA from his home country or planet. LOL

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The key to life is that it is a finite proposition for human beings and when things become finite those that can abuse the systems created..will!

    There is nothing to lose if you grab as much as you can, as quickly as you can, trampling on and over everything in your way because (full circle) your time here on Planet Earth is…finite!

  • Wynd Wynd

    Recently this same source had an articles titles something like
    "The end of infinities"….that's in the theoretical physics realm.
    Made me furious. After all these years of fantasy land and complaining they can't get rid of the infinities which means they
    ain't got the right answer…they are just gonna dump the infinites
    and have done with it…..exact same thing going on in this article.
    Dump the plutonium and have done with it. Out of sight out of mind.

    These people are crimnally malformed.

  • or-well

    Anyone remember arclight's damning reports on Geraldine Thomas, pre-eminent nuclear shill twat?

  • lam335 lam335

    Even IF the health physicists' claims about the negligible impact of "low level" radiation exposure on human beings were true, have they considered the bigger picture? How will all of this radiation impact the smaller life forms in the ocean? Those life forms provide the food for the larger aquatic life forms, which in turn provide the food for innumerable human beings, particularly in countries located on the Pacific. My point here isn't only about bioccumulation in food, the significance of which "health physicists" and scientists like this one seem inclined to dismiss. Have these scientists considered how these increasing levels of radiological pollution will impact the health and ultimately the numbers of the smaller creatures that serve as the food supply for the larger ones? What if the long-term exposure of the smaller aquatic life forms to this radiation ends up reducing their health and numbers, thus diminishing the food supply for the larger aquatic creatures … and, thus, ultimately for the human beings who depend upon them for their own sustenance? Is it not possible that the exposure of smaller creatures at the bottom of the food chain (and potential adverse health and reproductive impacts on them) could ultimately lead to a food shortage that will make its way up the food chain, eventually impacting the human beings who depend upon the sea for the majority of their food?

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Low level Radiation is BAAADDDDDD.

      Suggested Reading
      Deadly Deceit (1991)
      Low-level radiation, High level Cover-up
      Jan M. Gould
      Benjamin A. Goldman
      statistically proved millions died, or were never born(miscarriage, plus infant mortality) etc) from Chernobyl in the North America, mostly Washington, Oregon, California

      • lam335 lam335

        re: "Low level Radiation is BAAADDDDDD."

        I agree. I don't doubt that it's much worse than the so-called "health physicists" claim.

        My point was simply to suggest that there might be other implications resulting from this dumping that these "scientists" might not even be considering as they smugly assert that dumping massive amounts of radioactive pollution into the ocean will not have any negative consequences.

        Real scientists recognize the limits to their knowledge, and therefore proceed with caution. But the nexus between nuclear-related sciences, industry money, and government interests inevitably colors the judgement of those involved.

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          You are correct…science always claims to know the facts, until they are forced to accept new ones.

    • We Not They Finally

      Yeah, lam335, I was seriously wondering if they had polled THE FISH? Were they supposed to just take one for the team?

  • razzz razzz

    “Anything they can do to remove the more dangerous compounds and dilute the others [before dumping] is almost the only solution,” says Ken Buesseler of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts."

    Kenny doesn't have any problem polluting the oceans he studies with radioactivity. He sounds desperate to save the nuclear industry rather than our oceans…Pick one, can't have both.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      The boys and girls like the massive amounts of power that can be turned on instantly worldwide when needed for all their secret pet projects and ongoing scientific experiments!

      Did we out here really think they were generating all this instant power for only us serfs to use?

      This one (Ending Nuclear Power) is going to be tough nut to crack unless your and your gang are experts in the art of "Word Craft".

      Just got this tidbit a couple of minutes ago and looks like lots of power being used..

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Just watched this vi, I have a film of a cloud just like this that showed up three weeks ago in the east after dark. You are right, they will NEVER give up their mad scientist experiments.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      We could give Ken a hose and he could drink the waste water and when he is done, we will blast him into space.

    • We Not They Finally

      razzz, Ken B. HAS to know better than that. No one can even REACH most of this water, much less remove specific radionuclides. If they could have even WHEN they could have, by now it's gotten too late, folks. Dd Mr. B. even bother to notice that 1000 tons of contaminated water is rushing into the ocean every day as we speak?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The insect populations I think have already dropped like a rock!

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I feel a deep sense of futility about responding to the incoming information, but I also feel a sense of peace because I think I know the truth now. That it what was bothering me when I first found this site, and now I understand the immense gravity of what every living thing on earth is facing. The insult to the continuance of life is coming from every direction, not just Fukushima. Is this what the dinosaurs felt like when everyone started to keel over?

  • captndano captndano

    I say dump this nuketard into the ocean!

  • AntonButler

    Dump the Fukushima water in
    Simon Boxalls house garden and Institute.
    It is a pity, that some scientists have no
    understanding of science.
    It is like legalising murder of just one person,
    and before you know it during the night of the long knives
    85 are murdered,
    then before you know it
    40 million people are dead as in WW2.
    Mr S Boxall is a dangerous, negligent, scientist.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      We could drive to his place, and take him on a surf trip to the pacific ocean by the Corona del Mar kelp beds where it is reading 2500 Bq.

  • yellowrain

    Tell him yourself

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Known physicians and scientists with expertise in radiation exposure will disagree with Simon Boxall and Geraldine Thomas.

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Every Physician, PA and NP I have talked to, and that's more than you might think, I go to Cards, real regular, all agree ANY Fukushima radiation releases are very bad. Catastrophic actually, based on the levels of this event so far.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    "Simon Boxall of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton, UK."

    Simon is thick as a brick………..


    10 false assumptions of modern science

    "Much of modern science remains stuck in an endless inward spiral of false paradigms. That's why "scientific" medicine, for example, offers no real answers to the really big diseases: cancer, diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's, and so on.

    More importantly, modern medicine will never solve these problems unless it abandons its false assumptions and embraces the "higher science" beyond reductionism and materialism."

  • NeverAnyDanger

    "dilution would eliminate any radiation risks to distant countries like the US" So what countries would there be radiation risks for?

    “None of this is going to do anything health wise,” Just like the atmospheric tests didn't "do anything health wise?"

    "low levels of radiation don’t matter because we’re all exposed to it all the time.” Like when we eat a banana.

    What about all the rest of the contaminated water that's going to be going into the ocean forever? And those pesky coriums?

    Shoving the whole thing into the ocean just highlights the nuclear industries inability to deal with accidents and nuclear waste. Maybe we ought to just gather together all the waste all over the world and just dump it into the ocean. Problem solved. Now there's lots of room for new waste.

    Radiation is a communication problem not a health problem.

  • Max1 Max1

    Another "scientist" that claims the more toxins that get poured into a finite body of water is a way to achieve dilution solutions…
    … What can they claim when the ratios move closer to 1:1 ratios?

    Dilution success?

  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    it is difficult ……….
    the truth as we see here,
    to convey the broad popular

    it is our fight, we have to spread it
    the truth needs to the light …….

    we need public interest
    We are here to awaken and want to

    we have to fight against such lies ……..
    no other will do it

    go everyonehere stand up and fight for the truth

    all from here convert 1 Human/Day
    look first for the key to open they Hards ,anyone human have a one special key surch open and Fix!!! the truth

  • Cerviche

    The scientists and govts have decades of practice in dumping radioactive materials in the ocean, decades, never killed anyone, im sure they know what they are saying *SARC*

  • Cerviche

    And this probably explains the cancer epidemic that already exists, watch till the end theres a nice juicy timeline video near the ending

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    ORNL- NewMethod Extracting Uranium from Seawater..

    This technology also extracts a wide variety of other radwaste from water too.. this can be used in combination with graphene filtration.

    …so, boys & girls; it's not impossible to clean up Fukuwater before re-injecting the cleaned up wastewater under the seabed..
    ..if you injected it 50 kilometers inland it would end up in the inland aquifer and poopoo the drinkingwater, then it would end up in the ocean anyway. Tritium is OK to add to the ocean if it's deepwater, but it's better to inject it underground for 12 years of sequestration.

    Build more bigger seawalls around FDNPP1 NOW !!
    ..this will make purifying the wastewater much easier !!

    Environmental Nuclear Eradication Network Enterprises Worldwide Systems Inc.

  • Jebus Jebus

    There is a massive propaganda machine churning at high speed right now. The system know's that if the masses really knew how bad this is, they would be more than expecting us.
    When? Or, are we going to just take it with a whimper?
    Is this Kevin's work or has the machine put it's stamp on it?
    Has anyone noticed the play on facetious sympathy while introducing you to nuclear 2.0 here. I'm not gonna name handles, if you don't see it, then you are not ready to give it back to them in spades. This site is being played.
    All, at my work and their families are aware now. These personal networks exponentiate.
    Just a bit more time for everyone's individual networks to transmit the truth. It's coming and it will come in waves of anger. These are our children who are being contaminated. Keep broadcasting to your networks people. Fact is the medical community is awake. I know of the memo's going around the real medical communities. They are very concerned. They are pissed. They know that they are being lied to. It's only a matter of time now. No amount of nuclear hogwash will stop the anger. The people are getting pissed. This is America and when regular Americans finally get pissed, beware the wave. We are a crafty bunch under duress. History proves that. Do not underestimate. It's coming.

    • Jebus Jebus

      Go ahead and tell the fisherman he can no longer catch and eat his favorite species. Tell the hunter his game is contaminated, share with the mother that her children are in danger. Tell the father his little girl has leukemia from fukushima. Tell the teen he can no longer swim in the ocean. Tell us all, that things are different now because of the hubris and stupidity of nuclear power. It's only a matter of time. I really don't think that we are going to take this lying down. The story is set in motion. It's coming. Be aware and expect it. It's coming.
      All life, our lives, our loves, and our children, are worth dying for…

  • hbjon hbjon

    This is getting to be the mad-hatters tea party again. The force of stupid propaganda is strong with this one Obewan. Let's take a closer look at the radiation going into the ocean, shall we. They are atoms of different elements. They undergo spontaneous fission, they disintegrate, and they decay by emitting very fast moving particles that collide with surrounding matter. 1 gram of matter has the same potentiality, in terms of heat, as 2000 tons of coal. In the fullness of time, the fuel will realize its full potential. I wish it could have realized its full potential inside the containment rods where it was in the form of nice little pellets. Or better yet, inside the rock and ore buried deep beneath the surface of the earth where water cannot wash it out. It's all in the ocean now trying to find a chemical bond with calcium, carbon, sodium, and others. The gases become mobile and leave a three dimensional area to more of a two dimensional area while it travels along the surface.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, I can envision its transformation..too!

    • hbjon hbjon

      Would we all like to see one of them fancy flame spectrometers, bought and paid for by taxpayer monies, test some seafood? It is a simple way of determining the contamination levels of a substance. Have not learned the results of such tests because news is packed too full of the media reporting all the homosexual marriages and celebration going on around us in our communities. Will civilization survive another decade? You make the call.

  • Gasser Gasser

    Sing say
    Summer Time

    Its Dieichie fallout time ….and the liven' is no longer easy
    Fish have quit jumping' ….and the Geiger counter reads high

Oh! Your Daddy's dead ….and your Mammy is no longer lookin' good

    So, hush little contaminated baby ….don't you cry…

    One of these mornin's ….you're not gonna rise up singing'

    You'll spend your lifetime, ….hidden’ from Plutonium 239 in the sky

But 'till that mornin' ….there's Iodine 131 that will harm you,

    without a Daddy and Mammy ….with Thyroid pills standin' by…

    After that mornin’ ….there's more Actinides that can harm you,

    Without a Government or NRC ….nanny standin' by…

So hush ….all you little deformed baby's
    Don't you ….radioactively cry

  • Ron

    The solution to pollution is dilution. I believe that was Monsanto's old mantra. Quite convenient too. For them, since they are one of the biggest industrial polluters ever.

    Well, until nukes came along.

    So according to these nuclear asskissers, NO PROBLEMO. Just dump and continue to dump it all into the ocean. Out of sight, out of mind, after all. Never mind that Fukushima is going o continue to generate extremely radioactive waste for thousands, no millions of years. Just keep dumping it into the ocean. Who cares what it does to the marine ecology? Who cares what it does t people who eat fish?

    Come to think of it, who needs Yucca Mountain. Immediately begin dumping the radioactive waste of the 500 or so nuke plants worldwide and all the secret ones stright into the oceans. Yeah, that sounds like a smashing idea!

    "They have to make people understand that low levels of radiation don’t matter because we’re all exposed to it all the time.”

    Right. if a little poison doesn't kill you a LOT of it sure wont will it? Oops! Idiot Alert!

    No wonder the world is so screwed up.

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    The authorities seem to be incapable of understanding basic arithmetic — addition. All this radionuceid accumulation is subject to the basic, simple laws of First Grade Arithmetic!

    • m a x l i

      Exactly! Not capable of a simple addition. For them is 11<10, because if you already have 10 apples and you add one more, they will always say: Look it's only one apple! Now it's LESS then what it was before.

  • m a x l i

    What I learned from those scientists in in the article is: It IS allowed to dump x Quadrillion tonnes lead, mercury and arsenic into their garden, because it has 0 Becquerels – less then one banana.

  • W8R W8R

    It is mitigated damage control..
    They know its all going into the Ocean.
    "What do we tell the public???
    Tell them the best thing is what is already happening,
    Since it is beyond our control..

    And long before the first fish etc gets cancer
    the O2 producing planktons will start
    dying off, and all oxygen dependant life with them.

  • 21stCentury 21stCentury

    Yes, on the surface of the ocean is a conveyorbelt current that goes from coast to coast.

    Sometimes we all need to shake our kaleidescope to a different rhythm if we are frustrated in finding a solution to a seemingly impossible problem…

    "The Enemy" to all us rabid-greenies proposes to keep promoting extracting uranium from seawater..

    ..surprise-surprise, there's already 4.5billion tons of uranium in the ocean.
    —who's the crazy jackass who put it there when we weren't looking ??
    ====…gulp, Mother Nature?? really?

    …there's 2200 tons of nukefuels gone to hell at Fukushima.

    …what if we could figure out how to make the dilution solution really work ??

    I'm doing more study of the mixing dynamics between the bottom of the Japan Trench and the ocean surface.

    Given the "current" circumstances, maybe the best possible designed at-sea disposal is the best we can hope for ??..
    ..just letting it sit there and spew poison on the surface is tragically stupid.
    But, if we could empty the spent fuel pools then step back and manage the outflows while filtering and directing the large volumes of radwater down to re-injection and into the bottom of the Japan Trench in a very controlled and diffused way then the outcome of ocean contamination might be mitigated to more closely match mothernature.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes something must be done if there is to be any or (A) hope!

  • ENENews

    One of the people quoted in the New Scientist article above — Simon Boxall with National Oceanography Centre located in Southampton, UK — wrote in and requested the following be posted as a comment:


    Dear enenews

    I would like to post a comment in the thread on your site about a statement made by me to new scientist a couple of weeks ago. Your readers seem to have it in for me without looking at the actual comment I made. I stated that by the time any waters from Fukushima cross the pacific the levels of radiation will be so low as to not be of concern. This is borne out by statements from other centres around the world – none with links to or an interest in promoting nuclear power. I was asked the simple question of should people in America (north and south) be concerned, and the answer is no. I did also point out that the leak is a disaster for the north coast of Japan where bio accumulation and build up in the sediments will be a major issue for many years to come. The comment was to allay fears for people living in the wider pacific – not to endorse nuclear dumping nor to underplay the seriousness of the events around Japan's waters (and those of its immediate neighbours).

    Your readers are very quick to accuse without reading what was actually said. If you could post this on my behalf it would be much appreciated.

    With regards

    Simon Boxall

  • ocpaul20

    What are the chances of Simon Boxall himself reading Enenews article and scrolling down to read the comments? Maybe the site IS being monitored after all.

    Well flower, if you make public statements as a scientist, then you have to expect a reaction by the public if what you say is going to help kill them. Thats what it boils down to.

    Simon, it would be really good if you thought a little more deeply before you opened your mouth to tell people they should not be concerned at all the radiation flying towards them from every direction. By the way, there is plenty of evidence of what we say should you require it.