OT: New Snowden docs reveal gov’t agents “attempting to manipulate & control online discourse with… deception & reputation-destruction” — “Deliberately spreading lies on internet” — Using “‘false flag operations’ & emails to people’s families, friends” (GRAPHICS)

Published: February 26th, 2014 at 9:50 am ET


Glenn Greenwald, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:25p ET: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations— From the Snowden archive

  • Western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction
  • [The ‘Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group’ a previously secret unit of the UK’s ‘Government Communications Headquarters’] document […] entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations
  • Agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself
  • Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable
  • Tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums
  • GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG [as] “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption)”
  • These surveillance agencies have vested themselves with the power to deliberately ruin people’s reputations and disrupt their online political activity
  • Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups
  • These GCHQ documents are the first to prove that a major western government is using some of the most controversial techniques to disseminate deception online and harm the reputations of targets
  • The state is deliberately spreading lies on the internet about whichever individuals it targets, including the use of what GCHQ itself calls “false flag operations” and emails to people’s families and friends
  • Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in “false flag operations” to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that

See also: [intlink id=”leaked-emails-show-british-govt-worked-with-nuke-industry-on-pr-campaign-to-downplay-fukushima-degree-of-collusion-truly-shocking” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

And: [intlink id=”british-govt-deeply-involved-blatant-conspiracy-designed-manipulate-truth” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

Published: February 26th, 2014 at 9:50 am ET


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253 comments to OT: New Snowden docs reveal gov’t agents “attempting to manipulate & control online discourse with… deception & reputation-destruction” — “Deliberately spreading lies on internet” — Using “‘false flag operations’ & emails to people’s families, friends” (GRAPHICS)

  • Proton

    Take all commentary with a grain of salt – including all the crap the "experts" are spewing

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Flame wars! 🙂

        • ocifferdave

          "The Art of Socreficating on Enenews"

          When I saw an article about this topic I thought of Socref.

          • Bones Bones

            OCifferDave, you took the words right out of my mouth. lol

          • irhologram

            Trawling4trolls, Socref's predecessor, also comes to mind.
            It would appear that when they are "outed" by the majority, they are rotated out. Bet we'll have another soon.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              irhologram (great name BTW) anyone who comes here and even spouts gibberish or extreme fear and incoherent thoughts is suspect.

              That being said, there are people who are just waking up to the "joys of radiation." IMO we need to be gentle with them as they get into the learning curve.

              Frightened people also show up who suddenly "woke up" and realize they haven't been aware or taking any precautions for almost 3 years. It's good to reassure them when we can. I've been trying to point them to the Forum areas where they can air their concerns and use some educational tools and resources.

              Just met a lovely family last night who knew nothing about Fuku-Dai. They have young children and were really appreciative when they heard about our Forum for Combatting Radiation and Its Effects. They're already really informed people & knew about things like chelation and the Gerson diet. It's nice when people listen and take action to protect themselves and their children.

              VanneV, please know your posts will help this family to nourish and protect their children. They'll likely be reading your posts at the Forum. Thanks for all you do.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            ExpertNuc comes to mind, too. Who will show up next? IMO the attacks are often more subtle. Having individuals show up who suddenly engage in arguments and drop little "nastygram comments" is suspect, too.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Have had discussion with a few of the other 'Newsers off-list and we think a concerted attack has been underway here for at least two months.

              What truth is it we are too close to? Whom are we making uncomfortable?

              'Likely our very presence and having 20,000+ followers makes us a target, plus the subject matter of the site.

              Since our position is most often "Atoms Are Not for Peace" we can expect trolls, disinformation agents, and those who come to disrupt the conversations and start flame wars.

      • A WAY better disclosure on all this came out over a year ago:
        => somehow the cryptome file got corrupted recently so the juiciest parts are cut off (eg: how to easily recognize the disinformation sellouts that likely exist in your own social/professional circle), so here is an alternate link with the Full Monty:

        Snowden is what is called a "limited hangout operation", where some dude(s) will tell you stuff you already knew, stuff which is way better explained elsewhere, and where none of it ultimately appears quite as bad as what is actually going on (ex: imagine someone revealing that Obama beats his dogs, when the real problem is all the people he is regularly having 'legally' assassinated, etc.)

        In any case, I strongly encourage you all to carefully read (and re-read) that document, because it then makes it SO EASY to recognize these manipulators and to render their techniques useless (they don't work once you know them). Not only online forum techniques are covered: also covered are the techniques and patterns of the agents you will find in groups like OccupyWallStreet (and also in 'green' non-profits), as well as the techniques these sellouts use to disinform in society in general.

        POWERFUL STUFF!!! 🙂


          great stuff Christophe. And you're correct. This is must reading…

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          FYI…cryptome had warning for everyone last week that the NSA is logging IP addresses that visit the site, because on there site were Classified documents posted and waiting for someone to download them and then be prosecuted.

          They listed the IP address that were were being collected by documents accessed. They couldn't stop the logging, but they were not going to let people go there not knowing this trap had been set. I went there for the Fukushima pics and saw the message.

          • I'm not sure if your info is supposed to scare people away from that document, but in general what you are describing does not make much sense.

            First of all, the NSA has packet duplicators in ALL internet service providers' server rooms, so ALL online activity is tracked and logged. They know when you visit enenews, just like they know what kind of porn you like to look at. (Things like your network card's fixed MAC address + your past logins are used to identify you)

            So there is no need for them to do anything on cryptome's servers to know most of who is visiting their pages when, and generally ALL web servers log your IP address when you interact with them. From an administrative perspective, it is important to know the IP addresses to be able to deal with certain types of malicious activity, but no one other than the NSA has the storage space to keep that volume of data for more than a few days.

            In any case, what can the NSA do about millions of people seeking out legitimate, useful information? They can try to scare people away, but that doesn't really work: if the only alternative to fear is to be ignorant, abused, irradiated, manipulated sheeple, then I prefer the risk.

            The main thing though is that the cryptome document is one of those very rare USEFUL pieces of information, whereas 99.999% of the info we get is NOT ACTIONABLE, and therefore largely useless. In Dungeons&Dragons terms, it is like finding that rare "manual of protection against…

            • …"manual of protection against manipulation+1"
              => read it NOW to get your stat buff ASAP!!! 😛

              • Lo

                Where is this manual of protection against manipulation+1 to be found?

                (I have, instead of writing in this box first accidentally asked my question in the "report this comment"-box. Hope it has no negative consequences. Sorry for that….)

                • LOL. That comment was catchy enough to make you missclick, eh?

                  I was referring to this: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

                  • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                    Agreed Christophe, Snowden is a limited hangout (because the crappy powerpoint slides we all could have guessed). It is also a limited hangout within a limited hangout (because somehow they're appearing redacted and only trickling out at a rate less than 1% per year).

                    My guess both the intelligence community and the elites have made their respective cuts, but I can't say for sure.

                    Your resource is a great resource, but it's not the whole story. Most of the trolling these days is being done by non-state actors, whether commercial or political.

                    Perhaps the focus has been moved out of the public realm because of the freedom of information act. But if that's true, it is most certainly now a blend of private interests at any rate.

                    And, it also explains the trolls with IQ over 140: they're professionals with day jobs, recruited for the task, not for money, but for a future quid pro quo. I have personally known a couple.

                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Obviously, government authority for such deception operations will (and should) exist to counter a perceived operation by a foreign power to influence domestic politics, etc.

                      Setting aside the ease with which purely domestic groups can be tarred with the brush of improper foreign influence for a moment. . .

                      The real question is whether such deception operations have authority to exist against completely domestic groups.

                      I would turn to Executive Order 13470, establishing the Director of National Intelligence, granting it authority to task the other intelligence agencies in Section 1.3(b)(11) in any areas that involve "threats to the United States, its people, property, or interests; the development, proliferation, or use of weapons of mass destruction; or any other matter bearing on United States national or homeland security" in Section 3.5(i) new definition for "National Intelligence and Intelligence Related to National Security."

                      "Any other matter bearing on United States national or homeland security" is pretty broad and vague. . .

                      I mean, does that definition include trans-national globalists? 🙂

                      Arguably that definition allows the DNI to task a component three letter agency with something beyond that three letter agency's congressional and executive mandate, leaving it to the agency head to call bullshit or go along with the flow, knowing that accountability rests with DNI. . .

                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Suppose, for the purposes of argument, that the government trolls are only out because they have authority to counter the trans-national globalist trolls: all those non-state actor 140 IQ "think tank" trolls with day jobs in finance, media, etc, hoping for the elites to throw them a bone.

                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      I only throw that out there as an example of something worth the "limited hangout."

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              Christophe, that is what they had posted. I was there to get the Fuku pics. Don't shoot the messenger. I should've taken a screenshot…that's the only thing people seem to believe…whatever….


              • No worries, although in line with one of the threads below, it is important to be careful with validating information before we repeat it.

                How can cryptome possibly know that the NSA is logging visits to their pages (unless people have been charged, which in any case would likely be done under unconstitutional gag order)? Cryptome may have at least one very useful document to offer, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other uploaders there doing their best to distract and manipulate otherwise.

                But one key thing to keep in mind, IMO, is the following: DO NOT HACK, do not do even remotely illegal stuff if you are a dissident. That is how they can and will easily put you away for decades if they want.

                What we need isn't more hackers, or more proof of satanic malfeasance from our elites, corporations and government. What we need is positive solutions and effective work-arounds, and in fact it is very difficult for them to destroy anything we create in cyberspace, since good things automatically get mirrored…


                  nice to see someone, Christophe, who totally gets it. Someone was going on how they refuse to give their phone numbers, when registering with other online venues. While I can respect such caution, such preventative efforts are, at best, illusory. Unless your running Tempest approved 'boxes' and operating within a 'proprietary' network, from the moment you power up, you run the 'risk' of being 'identified'. As few are taking such defensive measures, there is no chance to remain anonymous. That said, unless one is looking forward to a late night visit from the 'jackboots', every word should be well measured and weighed against the consequences of freely releasing them within this communication's medium…

                  P.S. Thanks for being out here…

                  • Well said about making sure every word is well measured – that document actually gives details on how these agents will purposefully entrap people online, for example by first posting a video of cops beating people and then encouraging comments that prone violent acts against the police (or politicians, jews, etc.) – all things that are justifiably illegal, and just your IP address can be enough to land you in jail if they want. So for sure people need to be careful when they comment online: always assume that you are not anonymous and always make sure that what you say cannot be used against you in a court of law…

                    That being said, while I have heard of people getting into huge trouble for copying data (eg: Aaron Swartz), and even just for putting links on their blog to data accidentally made publicly available on govt servers, I have never heard of people being charged just for visiting a document like the one above. Although you can be charged for downloading copyrighted material, evidently, who is going to publicly claim ownership of that document and contest its public availability?

                    It is always important to make sure that your approach to dissidence is above all reproach. Do things that are so positive and useful that if/when TPTB ultimately try to take you down, they will do nothing but publicize what you have been doing, and thus speed up its adoption. That kind of strategic thinking should always be kept in mind! 🙂

                    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

                      Thanks for taking the time to explain. :-0

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      hopefully, Christophe, people will catch your words and take them to heart. You've much wisdom to impart…

                    • Thx bros!

                      While I'm on a roll, I'll share my personal solution to the immense difficulty we are all having with waking people up, or how society generally doesn't want to know the truth about Fukushima, 9/11, etc.

                      The key thing to notice is that when we share info on those topics, we do nothing but create huge personal problems for people: not only is there no identifiable solution to these seemingly intractable, orchestrated political problems, but becoming aware of them causes all sorts of complications for an individual's personal and professional life.
                      => result: no one wants to know, because the personal disadvantages seemingly vastly outweigh the nebulous advantages of knowing 'the truth'.

                      One way to work around this is to focus instead on sharing info on topics we actually do have awesome solutions for, as indeed the corporate solutions for most medical and personal problems are SO BAD that it isn't that hard to improve on them dramatically.

                      This way, we can get people started on the road to truth, and in general once people become healthier and more independent, once they begin to see how much they benefit from looking outside the mainstream, then they will be much more interested in tackling Fukushima and the rest!

                      To make a long story short, my YT channel has, IMO, rare info on how to be easily slim, how to break free from addiction, etc.: http://www.youtube.com/betterinfos
                      => it's just a start, but I think the approach and idea are sound…

                • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

                  Agreed…Christophe and Aftershock you both have a much better handle on how these things work than I do…glad to know it is safe because I visit there often. Thanks-

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              And I agree Cryptome is awesome..I am there now.

          • rakingmuck

            I was locked out of ENE along with 5 people I know on Twitter for a week. It was not till I complained and others starting chiming in that I was able to get in directly. What you are saying is correct.

        • tinfoiled tinfoiled

          Excellent info, Christoph. Shills are so freakin' infuriating. I see them all over You Tube using these techniques. 9/11 and Sandy Hook vids seem to be favorite haunts. I notice more of these people appearing on RT as well. One guy claimed "radiation isn't so scary" and we shouldn't "frighten" people.
          That gentleman's guide will be a handy tool to identify and prevent being goaded into their game. Thanks for posting. 🙂

    • john dpugh

      Proton +10000

  • guevara3712

    yes and remember some of these internet people are not what they appear. think if someone was just becoming concerned about nuclear after a lifelong sheephood. they happen upon somebodies youtube channel like Dana. now maybe that guy is well intentioned and maybe not but let's just think about the person investigating nuclear for the first time and that's what they find. have to be smart, the governments have well researched how to manipulate us.

  • Sickputer

    Compared to the North Koreans and Chinese, I bet the US spook academies are a notch below. Probably pay a lot better than rice and cold fish.

    Here's a good link for all the spooks to chew on…a spiritual warrior. As a technologist I just gotta get me some of that triple split image video software… Love that cool techno effect:


    SP: Cat, I don't doubt you are from another planet. 🙂 peace out.

  • SadieDog

    The omnipotent Admin. 🙂

  • American Phoenix57

    You Know Those Obnoxious Posters Who Almost Seem Like Alter Egos Of The Same Person? They Actually Might Be …


    We have some here. . .

  • Socrates

    Trade agreements seek to protect intellectual property rights while limiting or eliminating the power of domestic courts to award damages. Any blogger who suggests that multinational corporations should be liable in tort for injuries for damages sustained is attacked by paid trolls. The nuclear and chemical companies do this with trolls and shills who "hate lawyers" or claim that your right to a jury trial is unimportant; that only the Second Amendment protects against the government and corporate greed. These attitudes, values and beliefs disempower consumers. Furthermore, they assist the multinational corporations in depriving consumers of compensation.

    I am thick-skinned. But if these attitudes, values and beliefs are adopted, consumers must absorb the losses caused by corporate activities without these corporations having to pay anything!

    We also have destruction of the commons. According to Professor Francis Boyle, dumping vast amounts of radioactive materials into the ocean and atmosphere could be and is a crime under international law.

    I post this information more as an environmentalist than as a tort lawyer. Those who believe that they should abandon the jury system and privacy rights in favor of violent fantasies of achieving social justice at the end of the barrel of a gun while abandoning peaceful means discredit many movements and are used as a pretext for repressive measures. That further limits free speech and association.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt


      I agree with your take on this, even though it is pretty much a "one sided" point of view, that view being of concerned people.

      We all know that the elite WILL use deadly force on US to protect their "National Interests". Laws are already in place, and any little thing, any little statement, and very soon, any little thought that is contrary to their demands will be countered with force…not love.

      • Socrates

        I absolutely agree that all rights under the constitution.are important and should be respected. We do have a political process to change laws that should be respected. So far, gun owners rights.have been upheld by the SCOTUS.

        But we also must protect ourselves against corporate and government abuses by civil actions in court..These actions compensate the victims and are a cost of doing business. We all would like to see Tepco pay the first responders aboard the USS Reagan,as well as the children of Fukushima.

        There is a corporate takeover of America because of Citizens United. The next case may create a "one dollar, one vote system" in the US where there will be no limits on corporate or individual campaign contributions. Democracy means one man? One vote….

        As you may be aware, peaceful demonstrations and assemblies are intentionally infiltrated by violent agent provocateurs and repressive crackdowns result. I could provide you with many thousands of examples and government documents.

        The issue here is to avoid being labeled as violent environmental activists which discredits.the anti-nuclear movement as a whole. Many share the believe that our system is corrupted by money, and the system controls by violence and repression. This believe finds much support in recent times as the rights of citizens under the constitution are ignored.

        Thomas Jefferson advocated revolution every generation, yet maintained a large force of slaves and used much federal power…

    • jec jec

      Socrates, agree. Dumping into the oceans..against International Law..but not enforced. Similar is dumping from USA nuclear plants radiation WE as private citizens would be put in jail for!

      • Socrates

        Like the Arlo Guthrie song about the glossy 8 x 10 photos of his crime of littering which exempted him from the draft….

        Korea has exercised its rights under international conventions to obtain information from Japan. There may be war crimes alleged by Korea under International law. Many consider us in the US to be too far away to complain. But if a Mexican reactor melted down in Tijuana, Mexico, can you imagine the outcry? 'Nuf said there, and not to disparage my neighbors and friends, but the proximity would bring home the damages.

        International law is largely controlled by supranational interests. The rule of law and the constitution with its Bill of Rights is being chipped away.

        Beware the blogger who intentionally or by being misguided encourages you to throw away your hard-earned right, or to admit defeat. The fight goes on. We all must become active. Guns, gays and God are wedge issues to divide us. How the economic pie is sit up is the real dynamic few Americans want to examine. Letting corlirations control the political process through "campaign contributions" is legalized bribery. Examine the voting records and you will see the correlation. Is this free speech."

        Our government is becoming more authoritarian and limits free speech of individuals while protecting corporations.

        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Socrates, Barbabra Boxer has never responded to the email you asked me to send her…was that to just get me on the list of people who are complaining about the government?

          I wonder…..

          • Homolumina Homolumina

            Same here, I only got a reply from my representative Congressman. . .

            • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

              Homolumina- my congressman responded as well…Boxer did not even send the precursory auto-reply. Feinstein sent a reply, Obama sent a reply, I just thought it was interesting that I was asked to send an email to her because he knows her, and then received no reply.

              • Homolumina Homolumina

                no worries please !

                • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

                  I was just wondering, because it was said she seemed truly concerned. It would be nice to have a government official actually speak out on Fukushima. Then again, I am more likely to win the lottery without buying a ticket. 🙂

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, omnipotent! 🙂

  • Sickputer

    The big problem these disinformation spooks are facing is a lack of credibility in the forums they seek to subtravert. They might do quite well with the gentle sheeple masses on Forbes, Huff Post, and Bloomberg, but their forays into forums with numerous IQs above 140 are usually above their pay grade (and their own IQ level).

    Certainly some are so slick that you would never notice they are plants, but when they have to blend in so well their impact is limited.

    Far more common are the flamer varieties we seem to attract like a moth to a blowtorch. Some Enenewsers handle those quite handily and dispose of them like a worn out stinky tennis shoe. Others spend a wee bit too much time playing their game. But the truth can't be denied when there is so much evidence. And Fukushima is leaving such a messy corpse fouling the planet it is difficult to put blinders on all the gentle citizens.

    To the Japan island inhabitants who are especially beset by toxins.. Yes you are constrained from getting news reports under new censorship laws. But the truth is hard to suppress in the Information Age. The Fallout Era is upon you and everyone on this planet. Do your best to save your family and friends.

    Be smart, be aware, be safe. A stalwart human mind and spirit is a gift not to be wasted.

    • Cisco Cisco

      Dead on Sickputer. Concentration of media organizations is another strategy for the corporations and in turn government to control and publish disinfomation/propaganda.

      Sorry to say, they rely on the GP's worst attribute. Most people are lazy in thought and discovery. They want to hear/see the "news" that directly affects them; and, they go to those news sources that are the easiest to view/read with more than a healthy sprinkling of the Kardashians, Bieber, Simpson, et al and all the other distracting garbage. They generally get their news for one publication, and that's about 92% of the time, from the MSM…and of course, the "official" source.

      Maybe if we could introduce sex into this ELE, it might get some attention. It would need to go viral. Maybe some discussion/video/writing about low level radiation and the connection to ED. I believe you'd get considerable and excited attention from a very large male population.

      Idea content: "Radiation and early stage erectile dysfunction…what are the symptoms?"

      Oops, sorry…just having some fun in this effing disaster.

  • or-well

    I think this comment will be on-topic.
    I hope I can word it well enough to be non-inflammatory.
    Sometimes I wonder about the motivations behind posts that express what I call a "doomist" attitude.

    I know it's hard not to get "down", or despair at times.
    I know the expression of that can sometimes help dispel it.
    I know this site is the only place some folks have to express openly their feelings on the issues we deal with.

    That said, I can't help but question the reason for consistently posting messages that boil down to "We're all doomed", "It's all over but the dying", etc.
    I know that many of you know the type of post I refer to.

    It's one thing to express an opinion that an ELE has occurred, whether short or long-term.
    But, if one holds that belief, what is the point of repeatedly expressing it here?
    Is it that "misery loves company" and some want to see others express the same?
    Is it seeking validation for that viewpoint?

    I suggest we need to consider that spreading despair, hopelessness & an attitude of defeatism can also be a deliberate method of weakening opposition.
    An "agent" need not always be overtly or covertly pro-nuke, or pro-hormesis, or pro-anything, but simply disruptive, or, in the case of "doomerism", spreading a psycho-emotional virus.

    I know things are bad. (insert "Network" rant)
    If one believes all effort is pointless, go & live, don't post & potentially injure efforts that may prove you wrong.

    • American Phoenix57

      "Network rant"


      Still great after all these years!

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      or-well…"psycho-emotional virus" or the truth? Sometimes you just have to face the truth & deal with it emotionally in order to come out the other side stronger. Poo pooing the severity of a situation like this, I really don't think that is the right direction. Direct action is. That doesn't come from poo pooing.

      • or-well

        Hi pinksailmatt.
        I don't advocate poo pooing or denial. So many not facing the harsh reality of our collective situation is a huge problem.
        I think it's obvious (but maybe not) that I don't share the viewpoint of hopelessness. If I did, I wouldn't be here posting.

        However, I don't see how anyone who, in all honest sincerity does think we are all doomed is going to get involved in any action.

        If someone's personal truth is that we're finished, then so be it.
        They are entitled to express that.
        I still question the purpose of expressing it repeatedly.
        I think we have to acknowledge that some folks can't face the truth, deal with it emotionally and come out stronger.
        I also think we have to face the truth that demoralizing one's opponent is a viable tactic. We need to be aware of that.

        • john dpugh

          or-well We are not finished , yet , but if we think we are finished and we don't do anything to stop nuclearism , we will definitely be finished .

        • Learned hopelessness or helplessness is just another id within the greater denial of reality.

          Ego loves to play 1,000's of mind games.

          • john dpugh

            Is it our ego playing these games or external forces creating them cause it seems feeling helpless or hopeless makes us easier to manipulate as a group .

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      I beg to differ.

      Bad news is bad news, and if people can alleviate some of their suffering by posting here, so be it. Enenews will eventually have additional separate forums for people that need help dealing with what is occurring. Daresay there might even be forums for spiritual/religious help. Clearly there are no other sites of a spiritual/religious nature that are dealing with this. Why the silence of the world's spiritual and religious leaders?

      Our job is not to silence bad news, and the comments that go with it. Our job – as concerned citizens – is to present the news as we see it, and let the individual reader decide their own opinion.

      Despair and hopelessness can be the trigger to channel a person into a more spiritual thought process. If so, if we have any overarching reason why we are here, we must assist where we can.

      • zogerke zogerke

        Let me say, time is short, that some spiritual leaders may be doing whatyou say, commenting and supporting, but incognito. This is not the appropriate forum to sport religion. Some here do offer solace as they can on a regular bases.

      • Socrates

        I have contacted some very knowledgeable experts with emerging data from this website. These are medical doctors with degrees in physics as well as medicine. Some have had access to Chernobyl data. The data was in disarray since some scientists were thrown in prison and there was government repression as well as a public health disaster.

        The response initially was raised eyebrows and further interest in the numbers coming out of the EPA. The delay in analysis was troubling.

        There is enough data to show that we will probably live for many more years. The mortality and morbidity statistics are being analysed by epidemiologists. We shall see in due course just how bad its going to be. The waste management of nuclear garbage concerns me. Meltdowns and wars, too. At this rate, you can understand why no insurance company wants to underwrite this mess and our government limits your rights to compensation.

        If I had to guess. The radiation in the ocean will result in bioaccumulation and concentration in certain organs. Food supplies will be greatly affected. Cancer rates will go up. Children will be exposed to 90Sr and 137Cs similar or greater than during the Cold War.

        Nobody really knows…. Fallout moves by environmental vectors. Each radionuclide is different.

        They will do it again and again until they have to pay for the mess. That is how business works. Why wouldn't they? Because they are nice guys? No, they make their campaign contributions and are good to go.

        • We Not They Finally

          They can't/won't "pay." I mean not even slightly "proportionately." I'm all for any PR trying to force that to happen. But "they will do it again and again until they have to pay for the mess" is a fairy tale in this kind of climate. Maybe a few plaintffs and their lawyers will get payment.

          Then again, if just the USS Reagan sailors' tragic plight were to go viral in the news, every bit of pressure would be worth it.

          As for how long we live and the contamination factors: It's all about intersections and stress points. Like how many people are downed before an economy cannot function and the like.

          Like Belarus (Chernobyl) is still a nation, but it's a crippled one. If/when "America is Belarus," the collapse becomes unsustainable.

          We don't know the time factors in play because we have never faced this.

      • or-well

        TIS, very interesting ideas for additional forums.
        There was some mention of something like an "ENEnews Convention".
        I think the Convention is right here, now.

        You know, I don't disagree with anything of your specifics.

        In light of the thread topic, I am suggesting it is possible that intentional demoralisation could be used here, in the guise of repeatedly expressing messages of a hopeless nature.

        Is it so unlikely, given what we know?

        One can become trapped in a self-reinforcing loop of despair and hopelessness which can trigger many things, including a downward spiral ending in suicide. I would hope anyone here – commenting or lurking – experiencing such would reach out for help. I don't think more messages of hopelessness would be that help.

      • We Not They Finally

        Time is short, I concur with you. People oftentimes need to acknowledge where they already are before they can shift gears. We have way more of a problem of having too many in outright denial!

        Even people saying "we're doomed" — that doesn't mean the end of activism or the beginning of helplessness. There is education, there is mitigation, there is compassion. There are also openings for people to say we can do this, we can do that, and resourceful and inventive people can always do more.

        So I say let people say what they want, what is in their heart, so long as they are not ridiculously dragging others down.


      brilliant thoughts, or-well…

  • ss.minnow

    Hats off to sykeWar. He was condemned for mentioning this very issue. His points may have been somewhat aggressive but they were legitimate. Not saying those involved in his disputes are shills, but he was in his full right to question everyone's motives. Maybe his instincts are on the money. Speaking of instincts paulie777 would like another cracker soon I suspect.

    • Sickputer

      Careful about labeling…it is also a tech 101 academy ploy.

      Throwing stones just leads to a boomerang effect. I personally have no problem co-existing on a forum with widely different personalities, paid or otherwise as long as they don't post five hundred times a day.

      Digressing a bit…some food for thought from a great writer:

      "For there is always a sanctuary more, a door that can never be forced, a last inviolable stronghold that can never be taken, whatever the attack; your vote can be taken, your name, your innards, or even your life, but that last stronghold can only be surrendered. And to surrender it for any reason other than love is to surrender love."
      —Ken Kesey

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        Sickputer…nice digress!


        spot-on Sickputer…

      • flatsville

        Well now that Syke War isn't posting and "watching the watchers," he'll have more time to execute his "direct action" to "save the children."

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          huh! How could I have mistaken a lazy, insulting, good for nothing dooby for a feisty freedom fighter/truth seeker? Guess Im breaking bad. Still, something tells me Syke will take his energetic fearless personality into whatever he does….just the sort of guy you would want on your side, if there was a war, or if (laughing at the preposterous idea) the planet was being destroyed by powerful, selfish forces lacking the capacity to control the worlds most toxic stuff, or feel remorse about it. Not saying he was a hero or anything, just another shade of anti nuke, banished. Could have been me, right?

          • SadieDog

            I diagree. Glad he's gone.

          • SadieDog

            I disagree. Good riddance.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Duly noted SadieDog, Flatsville, VanneV, and I would guess then the majority of the club. Just be careful about shooting your own soldiers, even the scruffers, should you find yourselves on the battlefront…

              • SadieDog

                Finally on this matter, (for me.), I don't think he was on whatever side I am on. Not genuine. Speaking for me only, he was given a loooong leash. It's not personal. Growing pains. If I garner 100 complaints en total then I should be removed. And, just for complete transparency, I did report 1 comment of made by him. I didn't look at the rules. It was way over the line and creepy. The only other comments I have EVER reported were clearly just advertisements. I say letvit fly. No matter what I think of him, he was out of line.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                I have no fear of any pro-nuker, since it is a very bad dead argument from the get go and one they certainly can not win in any arena.

                Now for constant disruption, that is another thing, caveat, all together, and the teamwork concept should not be that tough for anyone to understand when attempting to stop the Extermination of the only planet we all live on.

                Syke probably had a great deal to offer if he chose too..

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Please don't include me or put words in my mouth. I didn't report anyone the last 7 days. I disagree with people, but don't report them. I did report socref and artika rama when their words were just a string of abuse.

                There are thousands who come to this website, including government agents. They are nameless.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  My comment is for Code Shutdown. I don't have to report people. Their words can be read by anyone.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Vanne and others, my apologies then. I mistook the meaning of VanneV's +100000000000000 appreciation of Socrates post just below. I made the mistake of thinking an inference to Syke was being made. Im always amazed at the subjective, interpretive nature of the written word.

                    VanneV, you must know that I admire and cherish your posts and what I imagine to be your spirit

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Code, apology accepted. I doubt if I will be expressing my opinion much in the future. But I will try to post informative articles.

                      I suspect that a whole lot of plutonium from NM has found its way to where I live, and, added to the already huge radiation readings, I'm going to have to spend the majority of my time just trying to stay alive. I suspect the threat from NM will be a continuing one and not just an isolated event.

                      Also I am taking two computer programming classes from coursera and edx, so will be busy. Also I sustained a head injury 8 years ago and it is bothering me some.

                      In some ways, it is not difficult to see why there is a coverup. It is all very sad and peoples' emotions are going to be involved more and more as the tragedy unfolds.

                      Take care.:)

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      VanneV, Im receiving your post with great respect and an empathy for your stalwart efforts and sufferings.

                      "long suffering" seems to be a hallmark of our species…nay, mother nature in her entirety….and I only hope it has the value that we have been led to believe. (or Im having strong words with the creator if she/he ever shows herself on my level (bitter sweet comedy). If not for love and understanding, then for naught. With best wishes for your wellbeing. If you ever look below, you might see me waving up, smiling with my goofy "single eye"

                • SadieDog

                  Anne, that's why I made sure to say I was only speaking for myself. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, learning to question the motive of every post, is necessary now. @ code , be careful speaking for other people. They may not agree with what they are saying.

          • flatsville

            All blow. No go.

            • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

              Yes, I'm suspicious of sound and fury because subtle trolls try to turn down the signal to noise ratio, by turning up the noise. . .

              I didn't see that on the list.

    • Socrates

      One should ALWAYS follow the money. One should always question authority. But one should not over-generalize.

      In 40 years of environmental activism I have never received a single penny. To the contrary, I donate money to environmental groups and contribute my time. I organize and advise many such groups all free of charge.

      I have been active in civil rights, women's rights, worker safety, environmental and consumer issues. I often address City Councils and meet with politicians. I am active on the national, state and local level and sit on several steering committees. I frequently represent whistleblowers in environmental safety issues. I represent ratepayers unions. In the past, I have represented peace officers associations, mostly firefighters.

      To question someone's motives is always the right thing to do. But to slander someone's reputation as an anonymous blogger is cowardly. Some have stepped over that line through ignorance. I can stand up for myself. I am also very forgiving of those who do not understand my personal agenda. I have not convinced a man if I have silenced him.

      Moving right along, Glenn Greenwald is an interesting and controversial lawyer. Many in the US want him prosecuted. There is great danger in sticking one's neck out if it is against corporate interests. Let's not attack the messenger unless one wants to reveal who he is.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV


      • flatsville

        Soc, Don't ever feel you have to explain yourself for making a living (or earning any money at all) because you're on the side of the "good guys."

        Most everyone here (unless they are independently wealthy or have an established, reliable stream of income) expects to get paid if they work for a living.

        Volunteering aside (which we all do) no atty should ever be questioned or made to feel guilty if they are paid to represent a good cause.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        I suspect Socrates that Syke wasnt fully aware of what you are doing. This is understandable since you seldom boast of your accomplishments. Syke and others are trying to make sense of a world gone mad, gathering here at ENEnews because this microscopic community will listen to the fellow shocked global citizens of a world that turns a deaf ear to a mind-blowing scenario unfolding.

        Dont know about you, but for me its like waking up to a science fiction nightmare or something, where even friends and family look at me askance. Any wonder that a fellow soul (think how recently we were all children!) may stumble in the crowd here, divorced from the human contact that is perhaps 80% of the communication pathway.

        In general, I see a LOT of emotional underpinning to posts. Sending a shill here is like sending him to an island of feral children with a vengeance…

        would it have been that difficult to assuage a suspicious Syke, who felt at once a global threat, and a personal one, and just on the heels of hounding Socref to oblivion?

      • humptydumpty humptydumpty

        I have always admired Glenn Greenwald, however there is now good reason to question his journalistic integrity.


  • Charles Charles

    They don't call it the World Wide Waste for nothing.

  • ftlt

    Are you surprised!!! The fascist and the globalists go hand in hand.

    There is always someone whose job and myth belief system is more important to them than the obvious truths in the world around them.

    There are millions upon millions earning their daily bread inside the security apparatus. They are ready to abuse and even kill others to protect these "good?" jobs

    We export this crap mindset and our fascists all over the globe, too. And shout out, calling it, "Freedom" in the media and at glitzy mind numbing sporting events.


      good stuff, ftlt. 'specially like that closing line…

    • nedlifromvermont

      I'm with you guys … good points all …

      We can provide space, here, for gloomy souls … who are new to our grieving process … and so we hold out hope for suffering souls …

      and we all are finding our voices, sharpening our message and girding ourselves, psychically, for combat with this ultimate dragon of our day … the worldwide, criminal, uranium mining and atomic power cabal.

      Onwards, fellow 'newsers, the battle is joined!

      We fight for the legacy of John F. Kennedy, who first resisted the onslaught of the pro-nuclear madmen.

      What the hell is his daughter doing covering for the lying bastards in Tokyo?

      peace, out …

  • Arizonan Arizonan

    I think some of the extreme nonsense, like the turner radio network blitz late dec. 2013, are deliberate attempts to make all antinukers look like hysterical idiots no one can believe. That is one of the reasons I have insisted since the beginning that we use or cite credible sources, even when those same sources are downplaying the info. WIPP, for instance. Where is the original citation for the 330,000,000 becquerel figure? It is not (and neverwill be) in doe docs. Or the apacalyptic image of fuku ocean radiation, when it was a depiction of ocean wave height? Or that photo of round burning oil tanks in tokyo, which keeps making the rounds as a fukushima photo. Wtf? If we try to maintain some accuracy in our claims it is already bad enough without exaggerating. The other side deliberately plants over the top misinformation to make the antinuke side look ridiculous.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Such as hormesis? If that was true, why aren't the sailors on the USS Reagan getting stronger and healthier after 3/11?

      The level of BS is high, and running higher. We're going to need some awfully tall boots . . .

    • ENENews

      Quite interesting AZ — when going through Greenwald's piece I had some very similar thoughts

      • FallOut FallOut

        REWIND ≈ ( March 27, 2011 )

        TEPCO official admits radioactivity too high to measure — Exceeded limit of gauge (VIDEO)

        TEPCO official: Levels of radioactivity in No. 2 “exceeded the upper reading limit of the gauge.”
        2.9 billion becquerels of radioactivity; 10,000,000 times usual level of water in the reactor.


        • ENENews

          Not sure the point of your comment, do you consider the ENE post being quoted an example of reporting over the top misinformation that was meant to make critics look ridiculous?

          • FallOut FallOut

            No its spot on …..

            I like recycling the truth at how large of disaster this truly is. After three years many still do not understand.

            I was giving an important post more ply that only had a few comments.

            • Homolumina Homolumina

              And I am grateful for you doing this FallOut. I am one of those people who are no experts but aware on many levels, I am learning here and connecting dots. I joined last year in spring. I do not have the time to go through the archives and am right now collecting educational data in form of links and posts. I am intending to make an information paper for others who are still sleeping, as well as making information material for a potential celebrity spokesperson. I find that one of the biggest disadvantages we have as the victimized public is of not being organized, of not being coherent with a common goal. I do not know if this will work, but I have to start somewhere with an inspiration and then dance with what is set in motion…

              • One goal is to shut down all nuclear plants, or die when the carrington effect hits.

                On the positive side, it is promoting, truly green, clean and sustainable energy sources.

          • Socrates


            You have a very good handle on the data and manage to dissect the media's presentation of it. I have my own consultants and experts examining your website for the data. No complaints from them. Arnie Gundersen recommends this website. Our representatives should be required to read it each morning.

            The HuffPo is hopelessly filled with professional pro-nukes who shill. In 2010, for example, several claimed that a meltdown was impossible.

            Keep up the good work. You are one of a kind. Thanks for what you do here.

            • or-well

              A thought for Whoopie
              who fought the shills
              at Huffington Post
              and gave them chills!
              Peace, lady, wherever you are.

              • yep I was with her in that battles against the witless, so many paid shills it was a joke.

                It is where I learned many of the lies of nuke, they brought out there easiest to dissect lies, since the libs of fluffpost would not put a brain cell towards analyzing their statements, so they were weak.

      • JP JP

        ENENews This was an awesome post to show the levels of influence that are occurring. We are not as awake as we might think.


          most were not, JP. Others have long known precisely what's been happening and who was behind it. We didn't need a Snowden to clue us in. But without these reports, most wouldn't have believed how bad it's gotten…

          "LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER!!!"

    • FallOut FallOut

      Separately, company documents show that Tokyo Electric tested the Fukushima plant to withstand a maximum seismic jolt lower than Friday's 8.9 earthquake. Tepco's last safety test of nuclear power plant Number 1—one that is currently in danger of meltdown—was done at a seismic magnitude the company considered the highest possible, but in fact turned out to be lower than Friday's quake. The information comes from the company's "Fukushima No. 1 and No. 2 Updated Safety Measures" documents written in Japanese in 2010 and 2009. The documents were reviewed by Dow Jones.

      The company said in the documents that 7.9 was the highest magnitude for which they tested the safety for their No. 1 and No. 2 nuclear power plants in Fukushima.


    • john dpugh

      ARizonan Very accurate and in my opinion much needed statement . The best way to damage the antinuke movement is to pretend one is antinuke and spread lies and disinformation .
      Therefore we all have to be very careful with what kind of information we are giving otherwise every disinformation will be used against all of us .
      It is also our job to fight against disinformation in all forms .
      We should not tolerate any conspiracy theories and try to debunk them .

  • jec jec

    Trolls and shills we have seen for a long time. Sickputer has it right, we as HONEST ENENEWers usually figure them out. Its just the posts are dishonest, irritating, trying to get the site into trouble, and bogus. So we REPORT the comments. They get removed. Kudos to ADMIN, cause it can't be easy to filter out US Government agency and agendized business/company trolls and paid shills. Did note on WIKI they require ID for paid shills posting; not sure how they enforce however. For ENENEWS, sometimes it is just someone who has JUST HAD IT and blasts. Lot of the JHIs are coming more and more often!


    this one's a keeper! While most of us knew this was going on, there should be no doubt, now, that it is. Of course, this will be used as grist, to attack others. So's not to give the creepers the means to hone their 'craft', I'll only advise that others simply watch who's posting OT material and who's initiating attacks against others.

    Regardless what 'techniques' are being used, if 'someone' refuses to demonstrate respect to others, they're attempting to foment discord. While each of us has an obligation to challenge the contentious behavior of others, such action must be tempered with respect and the awareness that we're all evolving in our world view.

    It's always been about showing respect towards – all – others…

    • Shaker1

      "It's always been about showing respect towards – all – others…"

      Aftershock, that is well-written. I moderate a discussion list, and it can be a daunting task. This site may be particularly so, as it's full of what from a scientific point of view might be called conjecture, to outright opinion, to letting off steam, to what might be (depending upon who you believe) reliance upon credible sources. The point above, though, even at opinion, is where a comment veers OT to me. Contentiousness is part of it all, but if one is simply personally taunting and clogging up posts with such, it seems like a moot point at which one becomes disruptive. That may be personally me. I don't mind contentiousness at all, but there is a point at which it's simply that.

      I agree that there should be, as best as can be done, some context to what one writes. Opinion should be realized and naked. I find it really disingenuous when one takes a quote from another to use that as some proof of a personal point and places it in context never intended by the author of that quote. Worse is using an innocuous word as a sword.

      I don't know what to say regarding this that wouldn't seem to me somehow demeaning to others, such as 'use your head' or some other remark that can be taken as condescension. Admin here is awfully tolerant, and while that actually may be somewhat a function of the amount of time in a day, we should respect that their time could be better spent policing us.

      • Shaker1

        Sorry. I was watching word count again. That last sentence should have read:

        "Admin here is awfully tolerant, and while that actually may be somewhat a function of the amount of time in a day, we should respect that their time could be better spent THAN policing us."


        spot-on thoughts Shaker1. They also reinforce a need for a posting FAQ. Some can recall how most-every USENET newsgroup had a posting FAQ. I think formalized instruction would preempt the sneaky creepers, as well as oversights by legitimate participants.

        While we never want to dull the unique contributions that many make out here, without clear instruction to what's expected, most of those gems (important information and thoughts) become lost to the reader. I also know from confirmed reports of a controlled news blackout, this site's likely to be one of the few reliable references for those who'll be looking back on these dark times. Each must do their part in seeing that it remains such, for all time…

  • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

    I wonder when the law will be passed that will make booting trolls out illegal 😉

  • KidIcarus KidIcarus

    Thank you, admin, for posting this.
    In my opinion, it's totally on-topic for our community.
    Especially post-Socref and whatever his other sockpuppets were named.

    The inspiring upside to this is that, as a community here (and perhaps in a larger sense globally – finally?) Socref's BS didn't work. We're getting smarter. We're wising up.

    But this revelation will not be suffered lightly.

    I expect events to begin happening more quickly now. This might be odd (especially since I am more of a lurker than a poster) – but some of you posters here I have grown to admire, deeply respect, like, and consider kindred souls. You will all be needed in your communities and families in the times ahead. Thank God for all of you. Never has a phrase "salt of the earth" felt more apt.

    God guide us.

    (The govt sure won't.)


    @EneNEWS ADMIN – Thank you very much for adding this story!


      We need more Snowden's out there and less sheeple.

      If people want change, we all need to get our head out of the sand and stick out neck out a least a little. Support those that stand up for your rights!

  • Kookaroo Kookaroo

    I've been commenting on the Snowden / NSA revelations over at the Comment is Free (CiF) forum section of the Guardian website since the story broke last year.

    The CiF is an interesting practical example of the process described in a real-world application. However, the paid shills are not very well informed and lack any kind of 'craft' – they are transparently obvious in their attempts at obfuscation and disruption and get called out frequently.

    Like with the nuclear debate on the CiF and here on ENE and elsewhere in opinion sharing, the attempt is to distract attention from the moral and ethical illegality and negligence of the State, Mainstream Media and Corporate collusion, and instead deride the ideas and character of the public.

    The public who this tri-arch should be beholden to as taxpaying voters who the agencies 'protect', the government represents as servants, and who pay for the media services to provide accurate and honest news in the public interest. These 'terms of service', the social contract, the ideology behind the rule of law underpinning the democracy has been broken and perverted by the incest between big money, corporate lobbyists and corrupt politics.

    The NSA attacks our basic rights and freedoms and denies us the right to dignity and privacy to further short term agendas.

    The nuclear industry, suspended in 20th Century ideology, denies the right of all species to life on this planet for short term profit.


  • underfish

    This sucks, I come for the accumulation of info, I read the some of the threads…and wow, I find myself at times thinking "really your saying that"..and now I read this
    Its like getting hit with a brick…
    How can I trust any of you or any of what you say…links only to verifiable sources is my only answer for that!
    If I cant sense you with my five sense your fake and just an internet identity in this case…
    I'v lost all trust in this site now,half(maybe more)of the people whom post here…
    whether they are real or fakebots post racist views, us vs them rants, anti-social/fear mongering mixed in nuke news…damn confusing…Im over it
    Thanx Capt Omen(Nemo) for opening my eyes..

    • weeman

      What does your five senses tell you about nuclear power production.
      You want them to continue to play nuclear russian roulette.
      The writting is on the containment wall.
      Tune in not out.
      Trolls on this site are negligible, few and far between and if you have been here for any amount of time, you would know who are the heart and soul of this site.


        correct weeman. It's a matter of long-term observation, as well as intuition. Otherwise, we're left with doing primitive blood tests, using petri-dishes and heated bare wire (scene from The Thing)…

    • john dpugh

      underfish Thumbsplus . I have the same feeling when i read some of the comments here . I am trying to fight against every disinformation , or any other nonsense i see, i try to warn people on not to give any false data , fake researches , unreliable sources, but it seems more and more like a hopeless effort .

      • zogerke zogerke

        J dpugh- be patient. there are gems here. discernment is your/my/all our best tool. being disagreed with vigorously is uncomfortable but you can still state your truth and what you see is true. and you can choose your battles.

        • john dpugh

          zogerke Thanks for your encouraging , supporting words . Sometimes it seems like a hopeless fight and we all need some encouragement i think .
          Very true about the gems , lots of knowledgeable people and great info here on enenews.

    • Why are the WHO, IAEA, DOE or the EPA agencies considered to be reliable sources?

      IMO – Unfortunately, the 'experts' employed by the agencies have too many conflicts of interest and are trained in a manner that the damage done by these DNA Destroying Death Machines is an acceptable risk. These agencies and others like them are shields to the Nuclear Industry's umbrella of control. 😉

    • C'mon dude….you sound like a troll trying to scare people off.

      If you think we are going to be able to fight this nuclear holocaust and remain fully annoymous, you are wrong. Until you are marching in the street, nothing much will happen, only economics.

      what is a verifiable link? Any site you visit can at least grab your IP which gives a rough geographical location. Use TOR if you wish, its kind of clunky. Other methods exist too.

  • atomicistheword

    The time is close when the people will see that they were given an unrealistic false dream. knowing this the underling masses will be very upset. Do you honestly think that the rule of a blind woman holding a set of scales will hold sway with them? Children writhing in seizures, cancers of such a degree and prevalence never seen before, climate change of extremes and this is just the start of a great tribulation caused by man's pride. Prepare for the plagues to come, mutated by man's altering the nature of the planet. Antibiotics voided by over prescribing and intensive farming. Breeding grounds for pandemics. People with no willingness to fight a third profit war awoken to the evil beings, the profiteers of the death of your families.
    Make your machines terrorist governments, mother earth shall still spin round when another proud civilisation destroys itself.

    Although things can still be different, centuries of warning for these times. Do we take the proud way, or the humble way accepting our limitations and living with nature???

    Save one save the world.

    • Nicely said, certainly many prophetic events have already come to pass. One idea of a technical nature, it is not so much "pride" as it is Ego and Greed.

  • humptydumpty humptydumpty

    Chuck Hagel weighs in on U.S. nuclear arsenal — spending $355 BILLION is OK with him.


    "The headlines on the Pentagon budget unveiled by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel this week were all about austerity: the smallest U.S. Army since 1940; fewer aircraft, ships and armored vehicles; even some modest belt-tightening on future military pay and benefits."

    "But one category of military spending largely escaped the budget ax: nuclear weapons."

    "The Congressional Budget Office estimates that U.S. nuclear forces will cost $355 billion over the next 10 years. About $89 billion of that will go to replacing aging missiles, submarines and bombers, and those costs will grow much larger after 2023, the CBO warned in a recent report."

    "The reason officials don't like to talk about reducing nuclear arsenals is simple, and it applies in both Washington and Moscow: The weapons may have a diminishing role, BUT THEY ARE PROTECTED BY POLITICAL SPONSORS — sometimes based on honest disagreements over strategy, sometimes because of the jobs they provide." [my emphasis]

    [Nonsense — it's all about profits for the Nuke industry really.]

    "Take nuclear submarines. Sometime after 2020, the Pentagon plans to replace all 12 of its subs that carry nuclear weapons at a cost that will probably exceed $6 billion a boat."

    • $72B for subs….chump change compared to the $90B a month that is handed to the bankster criminal club

    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      But what about the aging nuclear facilities needed for the production of warheads? Like WIPP. I wonder if that budget includes "cleanup" / "disposal" of waste and decommissioning of those GE MK I reactor NPPs? Maybe the former to a limited extent, but the latter not bloody likely.

      This country is getting sicker in so many ways.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Chuck Hagel ..has been assigned ..'deskwork'.
      Any discussion of Hagel..is almost..a diversion in itself.

  • United Slaves of Amerika!

    Best Damn Gulag on the Planet

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh ..but it is so much more than ..sockpuppets.
    Whole websites are run the military intelligence.
    Which ones?
    Does it matter.
    They play the part well ..it's their specialty ..promotions based.. deceit capabilities.
    They mingle .. .cajole .. sometimes behaving in the troll/shill capacity.
    They like to see..if they can rattle cages.
    Get new activists to step forward.
    See how far they can push..the solid ones..tweeking..their sensitivities.
    This intel is in control of the blogging on the MSM sites..etc.

    What I find interesting..is that those that are involved in the government/military act as if they are exempt.
    Take Chuckie Casto ..I'm rather 'too small fish to fry'.
    But I can assume I am being listened in upon as most Americans and many around the world are.
    But casto..you got to know they are 'bugging' him ..to make sure he keeps to the 'party line'.
    All of the Jaczko..etc..etc..
    All of them..top too bottom..toadies of the government are no more free than the activists themselves.
    Those creating the matrix..are the most tied in.


      simply wonderful, Heart…

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA


    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      "controllers" will never stop trying to control. Victims and Enablers are much quicker to give in. So the outcome is easy to predict; When the controlled have had too much, they either fight or perish. History has all the examples. And this is known by controllers who have it written in their population control algorithms. Algorithms that know the public sway more than the public know themselves. War is so unfortunately part of the warp and woof of the human (and I use that word loosely) drama

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Yes, Code…it's the same scenario over and over again…and no one seems to notice… human thought processes resemble a rubber duck in the ocean dragged by the currents ("control algorithms"), bobbing in the waves with no rudder (conscious thought).

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        So simple..""controllers" will never stop trying to control."

        Certainly why I threw blocks at my teacher in kindergarden.. 🙂

  • AlarmClock AlarmClock

    Here’s an important observation I recently made…

    I was posting a comment using DISQUS on an article that had something to do with Fukushima.

    As I am still typing my comment to the article, it says to the bottom-right-hand-side of the comment box that someone is typing a reply to my comment.

    I HAD NOT POSTED MY COMMENT YET, I HAD NOT HIT THE ENTER BUTTON TO POST MY COMMENT YET, and someone was already typing a reply to my comment.

    IMO, this tells me that someone (moderators ???) are seeing comments typed LIVE and are getting their responses ready even before someone hits the ENTER button to post their comment.

    Who are these moderators?

    Are they funded moderators?

    So far the "moderators" have all been pro-nuke.

    Plus, have you noticed that you need to give your cellphone number now to open a youtube, Huffington Post, Facebook, Yahoo, Google, etc. account ?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I like thinking about that really..
    All you .. little headset schmucks at NSA.. put them down..
    And the moment you do.. you make the other list.

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      PS.. If my friends and family..get an email from me..
      It has to be from the military.
      Long ago..I told them that personal correspondence was a ..'No Go'.
      (10 emails in two years)…if I'm off by a couple..I'm sure the NSA knows).
      Why help them..in their voyeurism.

      Chuckie..I wouldn't be surprised if your bedroom isn't bugged.
      Don't whisper too much to your wife…just sayin..

      • Shaker1

        Well, said, Heart. I'm continually dismayed by the level of trust exercised by the normal around me concerning the internet. Don't get me wrong, I use it, emails especially since I'm more or less socially restricted. But never social sites in which I have to post personal information, even the seemingly innocuous? They can have my email address and whatever name I choose to use to represent myself and no more. Pay bills or bank online? Hell, no.

        While some here might look upon the past as some golden age in newpapers and magazines it wasn't much different than the internet of today. There are, and always will be some true warriors, granted, but the greatest difference to me is in availability and timliness. Today it's almost instantaneous and rather than a choice of a local newspaper, one can read from all over the world.

        Regarding Snowden, to me personally it changed nothing. I've been on the internet through the 8.something phone modems and IRC, and one noticed the gathering, loss of control of OSs. I've disliked Google from day one, cookies are little accepted nor plug-ins or Active X. I hate Adobe for its intrusions, (on viewing a PDF, I instantly remove their ARM registry entry, clear temp files and history, and keep references in a simply text file if needed) and I feel any compromise made is one of my choice. Non-cooperation, to me, is the ultimate personal weapon.

        • Shaker1

          One has to remember that one doesn't own the internet any more than one owned newspapers. magazines, or television. There is payment for its use, in personal information and surveillance, in its ads and the payment for those ads added to each and every product that is advertised and bought and sold. The choice, then, is some compromise, or the time and effort to somehow learn and use all these encryption schemes (which you also don't own, nor can be assured of their reliability) that likely flags one for surveillance, or have a stand-alone machine on which one types papers, plays games, and does math problems.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          I'm a very private person.
          So ..for me it is easy..not to be drawn in..to social online ..situations etc..
          Tracking..one's IP address ..is easy.
          And in this current situation..I'm sure done long ago ..if I proved 'interesting'.

          We are all in our places.
          What's with all this 'squirrelling' around..by the military..
          They knowing full well.. They await opportunity to suppress their own people.
          Anxious they are ..to fulfill their role as traitors.
          Deception not good enough..they want blood.

  • Nick

    The warmongers will NEVER come to their senses. We must build bombs! Nuclear anything is a cash GOLDEN COW and anyone who messes with profits will feel the wrath, insidious or otherwise.

    It's been that way forever. We continue to spend MORE and MORE on all things death.

    Waging Peace just doesn't satisfy the stock holders.

    The NSA is all about perpetuating the war fantasy. PERIOD.

  • Nick

    Ever seen that poster that said war is not healthy for children or any other living thing?

    We are witnessing WHY war-mongering hurts us all, not just today, but forever as the radioactive toxins waft their way into our precious biosphere.

    I would argue that nuclear electrical generation is also war-mongering because they siphon off the weapons grade enriched goodies constantly.

    Even our reliance on radioactive isotopes and X-rays in medicine is a way of perpetuating the atoms for peace myth.

    No, not until we enter the post-nuclear era will I rest easy.

  • Since I first found enenews and bookmarked it I have become a daily visitor and noticed most, if not all of the above tactics being used here. It's something to expect since we have privately owned corporations posing as governments that see us as resources to be exploited and chewed up , ground into dust and fecal matter to be fed to the rest of the unwashed masses yearning to be free……
    Once aware of the pathetic trust hive mind psyops I started seeing it everywhere, they live the movie is a spot on assessment of where we are and how widespread it has become.
    consume more shiny things, eat feces of bacteria dressed up as a sugar substitute and meekly bend over for the next cavity search of the state while dismissing as theory and and all unpleasantness.
    that I am aware still leaves me vulnerable, but only when I dismiss the hive masters own words, the greatest lie of them all,, land of the free and home of the brave.
    to me the new definition consists of they are free to fornicate us and bravely disregard truth to maintain the illusion they need to continue the rape and pillage of this planet and there are no limits.
    Have a nice day is so hollow a goodbye now, i find no good in these days when the imposed ignorance of the masses requires my own demise if I speak against it. free speech indeed is but a mirage when paid operatives vilify and destroy thought.
    not so much off topic,, be a affirmation of the lies and misery by those same forces is in the original post.

  • AlarmClock AlarmClock

    Enenews is attacked constantly by pro-nukers to try to discredit this site because they are concerned at how good Enenews is at getting the truth out.

    I’ve read comments by pro-nukers saying Enenews is “sensationalist” and here’s a comment about Enenews found here: http://fukushimaupdate.com/our-radioactive-ocean-first-results-show-fukushima-radiation-has-not-reached-us-coast/#comments


    “Enenews is the largest cesspool of misinformation and fear mongering you’re going to find on the interwebs. Do yourself a favor and keep away from there. Also, tell your friends the same thing…they don’t need to be beaten over the head by the mob-ruled loons posting over there.”

    To which some beautifully replied:


    “ENENEWS is an EXCELLENT source of consolidated, aggregated news on Fukushima, along with a highly intelligent community of commenters.

    You obviously don’t have the IQ to understand that.”

    And the person who runs http://www.nuclear-news.net is constantly being insulted through twitter in order to try to discredit nuclear-news. Look at this:


    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      The pro-nukers..love slinging the word ..fear-monger.
      Yet..None can say..why a set of educated and concerned people..would be interested in fear mongering.
      What purpose does it serve to ..make people worry about their children?
      Who would do this?

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      AlarmClock…The pro-nuke groups are showing their true colors, if someone or some website were truly conveying nonsense, why bother attacking them and bring even more attention to the situation.

      The fact is, the nuclear industry employees are envisioning the unemployment line as more and more proof comes out that nuclear activities are killing everyone, and everything.

      There are many people in every scientific field of study that are at a genius level in their selected focus of science, but have little to no social skills, or the capacity for empathy. They are chained to the altar of science, and cannot or will not examine/accept any information that could upset their reality construct.


        great closer, newsblackoutUSA. I would like to develop your "unemployment line" statement. While it's (undeniably) true that most fear being sent back to the Blacksmith's anvil to earn a living, thinking that people are dependent on nuclear power is not entirely true. Most-every area of nuclear power can be applied to other industries; most notably, renewable energy systems! The reason this is not common knowledge, should be obvious. Those who – control – the nuclear technologies industry are concerned with the welfare (economic or otherwise) of those who are employed within that industry. As such, the employees of that industry are encouraged to think with an insular mindset; that their skills are limited to nuclear power! Truth is, their skills/expertise would fit well in any other modern industry. It's only the upper-tier managers and shareholders who'd lose if (when) that deadly industry is eventually abandoned. For those who may have their doubts about this seamless transition in professional expertise, know that many energy-oriented multinationals (like GE) which currently have irons in the nuclear furnace are – already – moving towards renewable energy systems! The savvy ones know, if they're to avoid the growing liability of nuclear power, distancing ones corporate portfolio is the only safe haven…


          typo: should read "…are NOT concerned…"

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          I dont mind, AFTERSHOCK, if nuclear engineers work on wind, geothermal and solar…but they should "have their heads examined" for competency. There is more than humor to this; engineering is a responsibility. Consider how many ancient examples of architecture are still standing, supporting humans from certain death from collapse. And with what fraction of current design methods? The important ingredient is a sound mind, not a working computer

  • Nick

    The Secret Playbook of Social Media Censors
    Posted on February 26, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
    "Giving specific examples will illustrate the technique. Reddit moderators have continuously reset the counter over the last couple of days on the new Greenwald/Snowden story, to destroy momentum which would otherwise have guaranteed that the story was the top story.

    Similarly, the owners of popular Youtube channels have repeatedly reported that Counter Resets are done on their most controversial news stories.

    The attractiveness of the Counter Reset from a moderator’s perspective is that it destroys momentum, while leaving some plausible deniability."

    No matter what you do, someone else is lurking, scheming, trashing the messenger, sabotaging the issue.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Reddit Censors Big Story About Government Manipulation and Disruption of the Internet
    Posted on February 25, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
    Reddit Moderators Go to Extreme Lengths to Censor the Most Important Story of the Year
    “The moderators at the giant r/news reddit (with over 2 million subscribed readers) repeatedly killed the Greenwald/Snowden story on government manipulation and disruption of the Internet … widely acknowledged to be one of the most important stories ever leaked by Snowden.
    “Similarly, the moderators at the even bigger r/worldnews reddit (over 5 million subscribers) repeatedly deleted the story, so that each new post had to start over at zero….”
    hattip to: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news_updates/newsupdatemain.html

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    Why Trolls Start Flame Wars: Swearing and Name-Calling Shut Down the Ability to Think and Focus
    Posted on February 25, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog
    Internet Psychology 101
    “…Psychologists say that many Internet trolls are psychopaths, sadists and narcissists getting their jollies. It’s easy to underestimate how many of these types of sickos are out there: There are millions of sociopaths in the U.S. alone.
    “But intelligence agencies are also intentionally disrupting political discussion on the web, and ad hominen attacks, name-calling and divide-and-conquer tactics are all well-known, frequently-used disruption techniques.
    “Now you know why … flame wars polarize thinking, and stop the ability to focus on the actual topic and facts under discussion….”

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Reddit..is Bill Gates..personal info..pipeline.

    Bill Gates Talks Microsoft, Philanthropy, Condoms During Reddit AMA
    Feb 10 2014


    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Heart…I wonder how all this would be playing out if Aaron Swartz were still alive….he was harassed for two years before his death. Aaron was the brains behind Reddit…. r.i.p. Aaron


      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I know..I wept..when I saw Gates.. new involvement with Reddit.
        You mean.. how the world would be..if the revolution had succeeded?
        Those concerned for this country allowed to take their places as leaders?
        How would it have been?

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      p.s. too bad Bill's parents didn't use a condom.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        I heard his father had a condominium, but the sewage pipes leaked

      • American Phoenix57

        Bills father was on the board of Planned Parenthood. The premier eugenics organization in America.


        • GQR2

          He's a charmer that bill gates.
          Vaccines for de population. He is all about population reduction. Maybe he ought to volunteer,

          he has already ruined the school system.

          he must think he's god about now. all that money. what a dweeb.

        • zogerke zogerke

          Respectfully disagree. And know I am off topic. >just saying<

          • zogerke zogerke

            that is, not about gates. about planned parenthood. which i think is worthy of support. and again, know i am off topic and am posting alternative opinion to AP57 here as respectfully as i can muster.

        • We Not They Finally

          AP57, PLEASE get off the "Planned Parenthood is eugenics" kick. Most of what they do is health screenings. The few abortions they provide in fewer places, you ought to THINK about before you are so quick to smear Planned Parenthood. What would you like a woman to do if she sees a badly deformed child on a sonogram? Look to the people smearing Planned Parenthood to raise her child??

          This is gratuitous, wrong, and you should not be doing it. Get better educated!

        • Seraphine Seraphine

          Please bear in mind that when Planned Parenthood was created, eugenics was actually considered a *good* thing by American society – that's why Margaret Sanger hitched her wagon to the eugenics movement.
          When eugenics stopped being "cool", reproductive care became the real (public) focus. Sadly, everyone still wants to tar PP with accusations of eugenics, even though abortions make up less than 3% of their services. It's called Planned PARENTHOOD, after all.

          • American Phoenix57

            Eugenics never stopped being "cool". It just went underground. In my 17 years of research on the subject I have uncovered many outlets for the continued desire of the Alpine, Nordic and Mediterranean bloodlines that own and operate the planet to eliminate the "savage races". Please read and watch the following so you can have a basic understanding of the history and intent of these sick bastards. I'm sure there are some wonderfully innocent people working in this field as there are in the nuclear industry that don't have a clue what they're involved in.

            Human Resources: Social Engineering in the 20th Century

            Darwin’s Dangerous Idea – Body and Soul


            California's Eugenics History and How They Assisted The Nazis Eugenics Program

            I have many more if you need them.

            Notable quotes:

            "At some future period not very distant as measured in centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races."
            – Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, 1871.

            "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
            – Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

            • American Phoenix57

              cont'd. . . .

              "Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind."
              – Theodore Roosevelt.

              "We are going to get Global 2000 implemented, one way or another by famine, starvation, or by choice … We need a real economic shock, a depression to get our message across."
              – U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs, NSSM 200 report (Worldwide Population Control for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests) 1975.

              "Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license… All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
              – David Brower – first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute – quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet (p.166).

              "The first task is population control at home. How do we go about it? Many of my colleagues feel that some sort of compulsory birth regulation would be necessary to achieve such control. One plan often mentioned involves the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired population size."
              – Paul R. Ehrlich, The Population Bomb (p.130-131).

              • American Phoenix57

                cont'd. . .

                "There is a single theme behind all our work: we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador… To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females. The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death."
                – Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs.

                "A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions."
                – Stanford Professor Paul R. Ehrlich in the The Population Bomb.

                "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."
                – Jacques Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier.

                "I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth today and, we humans have become a disease, the Humanpox."
                – Dave Foreman, Sierra Club and co founder of Earth First.

                • American Phoenix57

                  cont'd. . .

                  "We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."
                  – Mikhail Gorbachev.

                  "War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world's population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. We've got airborne diseases with 90% mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. You know, the bird flu's good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine."
                  – Dr. Eric Pianka University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert, showed solutions for reducing the world's population to an audience on population control.

                  "The present vast overpopulation, now far beyond the world carrying capacity, cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary."
                  – Initiative for the United Nations ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER.

                  • American Phoenix57

                    cont'd. . .

                    I could go on but suffice to say that Planned Parenthood, UNESCO, USAID and many others are all part of a long standing plan to eliminate as many people as possible through he use of abortions, sterilization vaccines and toxic food aid.

                    Social Darwinism (Survival of the Fittest/ Richest) = Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection was perverted by the Global Banking Mafia into Nazi inspired depopulation, ethnic cleansing and eugenics programs: racist pseudosciences that provided excuses to repress or eliminate entire groups of people (the richest and smartest getting rid of the dumb and defective while making a profit).

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Gates..what a slime..rich enough the be philanthropic..while placing a mini nuke in your pocket and stabbing your children in the back..with a vaccine needle.

  • Nick

    Deliberately spreading lies……..

    How much money have we spent on disinformation in, say the past three years?

    Infiltrate…manipulate….online discourse……

    The very word infiltrate sends chills up my spine.

    Bet the computer you are using will have issues soon……..

  • tsfw tsfw

    And again.


    When will people wake up, when they really can't find one single fish left?

  • name999 name999

    Great posts here today and a topic that is at the core or what has destroyed America. The sickest part of all of this, the surveillance, the COINTELPRO, the shills and trolls and disinformants and penetrators…the sickest part of it is the goal to keep people apart. To keep people mistrustful of each other. To make collective and community action a landmine where the best are destroyed. Destroyed families, workplaces, marriages, unions, healthcare. And the final destruction of our very air, water and land. All to keep making weapons and war. How could it be so simple as that…but it is. All for money and weapons and war.

    Thank you Enenews for your honesty, truthfulness, intelligence, pursuit of justice, and for breaking the spell of the liars and fools by telling the truth. I bow to all of you.

  • Nick

    Here's some truth.

    My great-grandparents were missionaries in Japan from 1900-1941. The house they lived in was spared (somehow) the firestorm over Tokyo during WW II. In that same house my sister conceived her first born before flying back to the US.

    December 7, 1941 was my mother's 12 birthday and she remembers her father saying "those aren't American planes." (he had grown up in Japan and knew the sound of Zeroes).

    Japan is part of my upbringing, woven into my very psyche.

    None of you know the pain I feel for us all as the great obfuscation of Fukushima progresses.

  • chevvvy chev

    Kudos to ENENEWS, If your always getting kicked in the hinee, maybe , its because your out in front.
    of the rest that is,
    this is the best website I have ever found for anything,


  • Jebus Jebus

    Another human made aware today. So many more to go.

    I have many sales people drop in at my work.

    Today one, who has a wife and children, became aware.

    Did not even know of Fukushima. He interrupted my lunch.

    So, I spoke for a half an hour on this subject. He acknowledged.

    He thanked me for making him aware. He will stop in here.

    Just one more average consumer. Eyes wide shut now open.

    It is the way that it will be done. It is the only way.

    Change by anarchy, is nothing but destruction.

    I only asked him to turn to his fellow human and speak up.

    No entity can alter or stop the truth spoken this way.

    Word of mouth is an ancient communication tool.

    History proves the changes made by one on one communication.

    The original critical mass. The truth is unstoppable…

    • +1

      I agree and have said the same here many times.

      Eye to eye. Word of mouth. First 1 then 2, then 4 etc…

      Reading/feeling the truth in tone of the voice and the seriousness of the eyes conveys better than any other tool.

      Words are sometimes manipulated.
      I think it was obewanspeaks that called it "Word Craft". That's a good way of saying it.

    • zogerke zogerke

      i spoke to the head IT guy at work today and brought in my Inspector. My workplace is actually lower in CPM than my home. We talked about fuku. At least with the coverage of the fish cesium levels now,in MSM, he was willing to hear me say- this is nothing new! ocean and fish pollution for three years already! He had never heard of WIPP or carlsbad new mexico fire. He said- And I love fish, my kids love tuna! Guess I can't pack that for their lunch any more. I wanted to say, <not if you love them!> but I did not . I did say- I stopped eating fish. The predators bio accumulate. The sardines and herring populations collapsed. The tuna migrates through Pacific waters. Why would I want an internal exposure radiating me from the inside?
      My coworker told me his brother in law just was diagnosed- agressive skull cancer- invading his jaw and neck/ mastoid….sounded so much like Ontological's troubles but newly discovered…..Terrible… made me wonder about fuel fleas.
      IT guy at work is not stupid. He didn't want to know what i told him but he heard me, finally, thanks to the break in silence in the MSM about the fish. We all communicate little by little as we can.

    • American Phoenix57

      “The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.”
      ― Carl Sagan

  • "If it is not a conspiracy, it cannot possibly be the truth"
    Stock TM 2014

  • So many lies, so little time…

    Fukushima Lies Movie Part I and II; via @AGreenRoad

  • Hey guys and gals, before I forget. I can no longer post at nukepro, an hour after I posted the "admission of high level waste at WIPP" I lost access to my blog, no email, no nothing, no ability to enter the management screen. No error message.

    At WIPP they measure 46Bq, thats basically CPS, not CPM. And then after they "eliminated the background", their reported number for the 3000' away station that was NOT in the windstream at the time, they reported .64 instead of 46.

    Got it? Their meter said 46 CPS and they reduced it by 98.7% to report .64. So that means 46-.64 is the background, 45.36 CPS or 2721 CPM.

    A quick conversion to mSv using the NukePro table therefore puts the background around 182 mSv per year.

    The average background in USA is around 2 mSv, not counting medical BS. At 250 mSv a nuke plants career is done, and they get intense medical monitoring for the rest of their life. At 50 mSv in a year, the nuke plant worker is "maxed out" and has to go work a desk job far away from any plant.

    So do you really think the background is 182 mSv? Can you believe they want to lie to this level? As the nearby military base orders 1200 full radiation suits?

    • bo bo

      !!!!! How can you lose access to your own website ?!!

    • zogerke zogerke

      stock, did this resolve?

      • Nope, was hoping it was just a glitch, I have tried everything I can, and there is NO WAY to get a hold of any tech support at Google, ZERO and i have spent an hour looking.

    • Sparky Sparky

      @Stock, You are locked-out of your own blog??! That is VERY disturbing! I hope this is resolved as your NukePro information and analysis is always timely, unique and valuable. I hope you can preserve the content already on the blog.

      This has very dire implications! 🙁 I understand that Bobby1's site is also having problems. I hope Admin is taking whatever protective measures are possible to preserve Enenews.

      • Still locked out, cannot back up blog either

        funny timing, 2 hours after I bust the nukers lying about storing that high level waste at WIPP

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, of course they would lie to the level.. that appears to be all they do..lie! 🙁

  • guevara3712

    my comment on this article seems to have been removed. is there some way i can find out the reason for that?

  • Nick

    I know I said this earlier…but a colleague at work today had a nosebleed. Not just a drip but a gusher.

    Dry air my ass.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, I had two in the last month, not gushers, but all the same an event that is very rare for me. 🙁

    This Nuclear Radiation Contamination is all over the place! 🙁

    We may have to start locking people up… 🙂