Newspaper ignores scientific models that show Fukushima radiation impacting West Coast — Fails to inform readers by only reporting on discredited tsunami wave-height map — “What illness of the mind must people have to lie about the threat?” (ACTUAL FORECAST MODELS)

Published: January 24th, 2014 at 2:15 pm ET


The Province, Jan. 23, 2014: Without actual things to worry about, too many people these days are making up or exaggerating risks. Our recent story on the Fukushima Disaster is a good example. That was a terrible event, but what illness of the mind must people have to lie about the threat to B.C., even going so far as the misrepresent a wave-height map of the Pacific to pretend it shows that dangerous radiation is flowing to our shores?

Discredited tsunami wave-height map. See below for credible models that forecast the spread of Fukushima radiation across the Pacific Ocean.

The Province, Jan. 20, 2014: This map, supposedly showing radiation spreading across the ocean from Japan, was one of the most widespread pieces of Fukushima (mis) information — it was also one of the easiest myths to debunk. […] [NOAA] spokeswoman Keeley Belva confirmed the map doesn’t show the spread of radiation. According to their website: “This image was created by NOAA’s Center for Tsunami Research and graphically shows maximum wave heights of the tsunami generated by the Japan earthquake […] The map has become “an oceanographer’s in-joke,” according to Robin Brown, manager of ocean sciences for Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans. Two months ago, Brown gave a seminar to 40 oceanographers and showed a slide of the infamous NOAA map with the headline, “West Coast Fried by Radiation.” The room burst out laughing, Brown said, but their chuckles were “tinged with a bit of sadness.”

In reality, the Fukushima radiation forecast models published by scientific journals, governments, and universities show a more troubling situation for the West Coast than the discredited tsunami wave-height map. The tsunami map shows the impact being distributed throughout the entire pacific, with South America getting the worst of it. The actual Fukushima radiation transport models show the contamination heading due east, directly to North America’s west coast. Here are a some examples (note that none of these models take into account the ongoing releases from Fukushima of hundreds of tons of contaminated water every day):

Impact strength of Cs-137 in year 4 (Han G J, et al. 2013)

Model produced by governments of Korea and China

Top: 200 meters; Bottom: 50 meters, variable depth (Z. Lai et al.)

Model produced by governments of Korea and China

Subsurface concentration of Cs-137 (Bq/m3) at 150–250m (Rossi et al 2013)

See also: [intlink id=”multiple-marine-scientists-fukushima-plume-west-coast” type=”post”]Multiple marine scientists say Fukushima plume is at West Coast [/intlink]

Published: January 24th, 2014 at 2:15 pm ET


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101 comments to Newspaper ignores scientific models that show Fukushima radiation impacting West Coast — Fails to inform readers by only reporting on discredited tsunami wave-height map — “What illness of the mind must people have to lie about the threat?” (ACTUAL FORECAST MODELS)

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    I have read many reports, and seen many models…I am disappointed to see the Tsunami map shown above though, as many people are suing that map to minimize all Fukushima plumes in the Pacific. They call the plume a hoax because the Tsunami map was used in many YouTube videos. I wish that map would disappear.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Meant to say "using that map" no "suing"

  • weeman

    Question are the other three examples of the original release from the first weeks, does any take into account the ongoing releases?

  • bo bo still insists on only posting that ONE map of the tsunami for fukushima radiation models of the pacific. After having debuked that one map, they gave themselves big pats on their shoulders and went back to sleep.

    I almost tend to think that these types of obviously incorrect information are planted on purpose, so they can be 'debunked' to create the illusion that everything radiation is 'internet rumor'.


      made just this point, bo, concerning the falsified map in question. You might want to review the entire thread, to understand why I posted what I did…

      • irhologram

        Aftershock: "well meaning people gravitate to these 'insider' theories and unwittingly fall prey to the 'viruses' life-cycle. But all one need do ask for the sources behind the story. Dig deep enough and you'll discover the truth for yourself; …"

        Doesn't true inquiry lead back to Arnie's door? Didn't he say from the beginning to "dilute" radiation and continue dumping into the ocean? Didn't he just say on Coast to Coast to "forget about the ocean"? Didn't he just say on C2C that he doesn't think anything can be done now? Yet, didn't he also say the EQ was a 7 at sea, and likely in the 5s on land? This man is a mixed bag of info, and some of it is fatal. Do. Nothing. Unacceptable.

        Dumping into the sea is a worst case scenario, I'MO because ocean death is inevitable, affecting sustainable oxygen levels for the entire world. Why could they not build a boom (Panama Canal-like intense initiative) to completely wall in the Fukushima run-off into the ocean? Arnie doesn't want to DO anything about the contamination of the Pacific, which may be the single most important issue here. The issue isn't WHETHER the Pacific Ocean will die…the debate is really: How long will it take? When the Pacific dies, so does everything else because oceans don't stay put. They evaporate and rain everywhere, they mix, and they deposit on shorelines through the air. They produce 70% of our oxygen… Cont.

        • irhologram

          When the ocean dies, it it becomes anaerobic, meaning non-oxygen based bacteria take over. They produce H2S, which propagates like ink in water, consuming whatever life survived radiation, in an ocean consuming cycle that once tripped…continues.

        • utahruss utahruss

          Yes it is all very strange, considering that some 360,000 spent fuel rods either vaporized or were thrown all over the place. How could anyone or any living organism be on that site
          Isn't anyone thinking about that?

          Lots of people are saying lots of things that just don't add up!

          I think everyone should watch this and then start asking the right questions.

        • Jebus Jebus

          Will the global nuclear shield tripple down?

          Gambler's always lose in the end…

          To commit to anything publicly, is to admit to everything.

          "it's their disaster" rings hollow here now.

          "it's their containments that were breached".

          "it's their three reactors that melted out".

          "it's their three reactors that exploded violently".

          "it's their spent fuel pools that burned".

          "it's their environment, grossly contaminated with radionuclides".

          "it's their children getting leukemia".

          Truth is, this must be, Earth's last Fukushima.

          The results are indicating, that it already is…

      • bo bo

        Aftershock… I tried to respond to this and I couldn't but all I can say is I agree with you and so much I'd like to add.
        I'm just trying not to poop all over enenews exactly because of these types of plots to sabotage the movement for truth.

    • J.

      I think you may be correct. This disinformation tactic has been employed in other areas to discredit serious research. One tip-off may be a disproportionate degree of self-congratulatory ridicule and name-calling, when a simple correction would suffice.

    • NO ONE has an accurate map yet of what happened.

      So the scientists need to make fun of each other for sad state of science, which cannot even put out an accurate map of what happened at Fukushima, what is happening now and what will happen in the future. We are more than 1,000 days into this… not even ONE map, in 1000 days? What are they getting paid for?

      The best that these scientists seem to be able to do is make fun of citizen scientists who are trying to piece it together, but offer nothing in return, other than put downs.

      • name999 name999

        yes, this is amazing. I appreciate your point on this more and more.

        • Wikipedia’s entry on Chernobyl states, “20 to 40% of all core caesium-137 was released, 85 PBq in all.” The source cited is Chernobyl: Assessment of Radiological and Health Impact -Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA)

          Scientists are 'modeling' Fuku rads as being 1 to 27PBq's TOTAL

          The lie is that Fuku was only 10% of Chernobyl..

          All 'scientific' models and statistics about Fuku radiation release rest on that lie.

          Garbage in = garbage out.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      bo…I agree…. that map keeps showing up so eventually people will think all maps are fake…

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Absolutely that's why they do it. Or even if "they" don't do it and it happens by accident, it has the same effect – it discredits all the information. Or tries.

  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

    First link goes 404. Don't understand this headline, but there's something about somebody using the tsunami map as an indicator of radiation dispersal? So then later it's held up as a sign of how stupid anti-nukers are? Um, so the pro-nukers can't make this up to use later? Same ol' same ol'.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    And people / pets getting ill is nature's way of letting us know radiation kills. Not silly computer simulation printouts.

    • bozzy54

      Fifty more whale found dead near Florida.

      • GOM GOM

        How can all these whales have empty stomachs? They are starving. Wondering around looking for food. And now they are saying it's a "virus". What will they do when millions wash up? And not just whales. Humans will get sick en masse. And 'wash up' half dead in ER's. With a virus…

    • Not just silly, but purposely designed to deceive, mislead, minimize and deny.

  • Socrates

    I was looking at some ancient maps that were made before Columbus sailed. If fact,Columbus believed that he would find China.

    Therefore, the world is flat.

    • And those ancient maps may even work better and be more accurate than the stuff coming out of the so called 'scientific' world right now, when it comes to Fukushima.

  • MVB Michael Van Broekhoven

    Models are one thing (easily proven wrong in one area of the model, with no data in other areas, etc.), actual widespread and frequent monitoring, not just some the dose rate (which can be a combo of so many variables), but for concentrations of various isotopes (at least I-131 and Cs-134 for evidence of recriticalities after 2011), and definitely Cs-137, Co-60 and Sr-90; perhaps also Pu-139/240 too, in water, in sediment, in plankton, in Tuna, etc., at least weekly and all over the Pacific and around. That's a minimum to make statements, both that it's all fine, as well as that it's totally horrible.

    I made an attempt (back in May 2012) to put some actual measured data together for "Fallout Maps for the United States" (on land), see link below. All that data is based on spring to early summer 2011, and leaking never ended; I haven't seen ANY data since. It's impossible to have been zero. The lack of testing is what is feeding the concerns the most, it seems. The only thing I could really conclude is that the government barely monitors deposition, has made no attempts to identify the hotspots, and thus that far more monitoring is needed. As far as I know, nothing has changed yet. Anyways, for what it's worth…:

    • James Tekton James Tekton


      Very good works, Michael.


      The plume maps will never be seen again.

      Sadly, because they depict so much more than what we first saw in the beginning days of this horror. There are places that are still doing it, and the animated map from your link here says it was updated in January of this year, but there are no visual maps to show what is really happening.

      It is criminal to hold back this kind of information and anyone who is complicit in this cover up, should be held fully accountable to the universal laws that jurisdict over a normal human civilization. How about, do unto others, as you would have them do unto you? Of course, in this catastrophic Extinction Level Event, japan has done to them selves and others, as we did to them.

      Sad, darn sad that the dis-information cover up program is so huge and blatantly in everyone's faces saying, screw you and die!

      Pray that maybe some day before it is too late someone will brave making the plume maps again to show us all here. Pray that some one, some day decides to stop this madness.


    • bo bo

      Amazing map, thanks for sharing Michael. ( the French cesiun map in the middle of page is visually beautiful, in a twisted way)

    • artika rama

      michael Thanks ,, its nice to see realistic people like you on this forum .
      Great job 🙂

  • Wright South West Wright South West

    I emailed a biologist friend that has worked on shorebird studies along the California coast for several years. I ask about if overall bird numbers are down out there. I've seen several posters mention this but hardcore birds do have a way of seeing a lot more birds than most of us. The answer though was yes from a hardcore birder…fewer numbers but they don't know if it is related to Fukushima and hasn't been involved in a study directed towards that effort.

    I'll let you all know if I get any updates.

    • KidIcarus KidIcarus

      @wright south west, THANK YOU.

      Birds are one of the first things I noticed. I live in the foothills near Sacramento, and there have been virtually no Canadian Geese in the wetlands behind my apartment this year. Last year they would wake me up in the winter with their honking. Same the year before. And the marsh is pretty silent – the little birds have either left or died. There are a few left.

      Hard to know whether it's the drought too. Although, if you believe the darker HAARP-tastic rumors, the drought is connected to Fukushima too.

      • name999 name999

        Kidcarus, there are so many Canadian Geese in WA state near the Columbia River and Portland OR this year. I have never seem such large groups (not sure the correct name) of Geese in the sky! They have been extra strong for about the last month.

        • GOM GOM

          name. No birds down here. Even in the summer. Maybe little sparrows or some sickly pelicans. This whole region is one big toxic mess. Now on to the weather. Snow/sleet today, in the Florida Panhandle. And it happened just like in that movie Day After Tomorrow. All of a sudden the temp starting dropping rapidly, then it starting snowing with sleet. Power/phones went out for a short time in areas of the city. Bet you don't hear about it. I was on a military base when it started. I asked the people in the building if they thought that was strange and got no response. Went outside to my truck and it was so cold I went back in. This lasted about 15 minutes, but took the power out. Then the temp started coming up again. I am totally freaked by this. Can massive radiation particles cause an anomaly like this?

          • name999 name999

            that sounds horrible and very frightening. I am sorry you have to deal with that nuclear winter kind of weather.

            Far fewer birds here also. But an unusual high number af screaming Geese overhead in these huge flocks, big Vs overhead.

            • GOM GOM

              name. I would sure like to hear some opinions on that nuclear winter you speak of, as related to Fuku. Is Fuku bad enough to cause this? How long would it take?

              • name999 name999

                I don't know anything more than you do GOM. I wish it wasn't so.

              • Nuclear winter is definitively not happening anywhere right now:
                => Nuclear winter is when a permanent cloud cover is created by the "emission of large amounts of the firestorms smoke and soot into the Earth's stratosphere".

                In general, I'd like to encourage people to remember the following: if you think you are going to get sick, and especially if you are stressed or depressed about it, then you have a very high chance of getting sick.

                There is a lot that can be done to mitigate the damage – for ex: eating vegan since there is far less bio-accumulation, using baking soda daily to de-acidify your body (apparently it helps against cancer), plus lots of other relatively easy (and cheap!) things that can be found in the forum threads.

                Stay calm and focused on just getting progressively better adapted to the new situation. Read more about things you can do (ex: what to eat, how to wake people up effectively, etc.) than about more proof of the damage from just Fukushima.

                Stuff like it getting cold all of a sudden has nothing to do with radiation (which adds heat), and in general there are lots of other sources of pollution besides Fukushima (sadly) so be careful as well not to try to link everything you see and experience to it. I think you really risk making yourself sick with worry, and that you will also have trouble being taken seriously by all the friends you need to wake up 🙂

                • name999 name999

                  not so sure you know quite so much as you claim, and I was using a term that described Gom's complaint…nothing more.

                  However, the idea that super heated waste products and toxic elements entering our environment in huge dose that are unstoppablewouldn't effect the weather…of course it effects the weather. This effects everything.

                  • Exaggerate much? "This affects everything". Does it affect the sun?

                    In any case, I was replying to GOM and trying to answer his question. Problem?

                    • name999 name999

                      Sorry to offend, Christophe, I got a hint of
                      minimizing an event that defies exaggeration as there
                      are no words to express it.
                      No exaggeration. I was referring to life on earth, and I guess
                      if our sun gets eventually blocked by a destroyed
                      atmosphere, yes, it does effect the sun. Telling the truth, honest dialogue about this disaster is the healthiest thing a person can do. That is why we come to this site.

                      Just don't tell us to keep smiling OK?

                    • My point is that you do not help anyone by exaggerating things and making wild claims.

                      Show me the logic and science behind your claim that the weather has been significantly affected and I will take you seriously. When there are already plenty of scientifically and empirically demonstrable horrors from Fukushima, your scaremongering takes people down a bad path, making anyone who repeats your wild claims looks silly.

                      And I didn't tell people to just keep smiling. I am encouraging people to be as effective and as healthy as can be, so they can make a positive difference rather than panic and be miserable.

                      I am here to say the truth as well. Where did I lie or exaggerate, pls?

                      Anyhow, you do nothing but contradict yourself. Earlier you were saying you wished you knew more about nuclear winter, and yet when given that info you spit on the messenger… Are you trying to waste people's time and space here?

                    • artika rama

                      christophe I think most of the people who are trying to live a "healthy life" have to change their approach to the whole health issue too . I mean , you can have the best organic farm which doesnt use any chemicals and no gmo s etc etc but it can be open to the highest radiation contamination so there you go ,, it looses all its value and infact can be more radioactvive than regular products .
                      Simple things like leaving your umbrellas , or your shoes outside could change the amount of radioactivity you get , according to health experts .
                      Filters help to some extend but it is not possible to filter out all the radiation in our lives,, water and air is possible to filter to an extend but whatever we do we cant totally remove it ,, maybe decrease the amount of radiation we get .
                      In any case people talking about nuclear winter etc are not informed ,, but at least they are at the right place to learn and get informed 🙂

                    • Artika, I completely agree that the old non-GMO, non-pesticide approach to "healthy life" no longer works, but I do think that a vegan diet should make a significant difference.

                      Even without taking bio-accumulation into account, animals need to consume 10 vegetable calories to offer 1 calorie of meat, so by eating vegan you should be able to get at least 10x less harm from your food.

                      And the fringe benefits from being smartly vegan are great: I feed myself for about 5$ a day, and also now have less to regret about all the tortured animals I used to eat.

                      In the aggregate, I think that what I am doing makes me 'prolly 5-10x less likely to get sick from Fukushima and other sources of pollution – and yet there is PLENTY left to improve on!

                      Lots of people in this forum are freaking out and feeling completely powerless about the situation. But in fact there is a lot we can do, for ourselves, for our kids (those who have some), and for society and our environment in general.

                      Our elites are deranged mind-controlled victims of brutal abuse (, but they are very adept at manipulating people. They think they will be able to offer 'their solution' to these problems, but in fact we can jump ahead and create and share our own solutions – and that has a real impact.

                      People smartly come here to be better informed. That should mean being more empowered, knowing what to do, etc., rather than becoming more paranoid, depressive, and isolated…

                • artika rama

                  christophe Thanks , i like to see some realistic people like yourself on this forum , trying to keep everything in balance ,, not blow it out of proprtion with extreme ideas etc.
                  I dont agree with everything you say thoguh ; getting sick CAN BE ,, i am not saying it is ,, but it CAN BE related to radiation indirectly .
                  I dont believe any heat from radiation from fuku would have any effect though as many here mentioned before , but when people start inhaleing hot particles that does effect your health .
                  In any case , thanks for your post ,,

                  • Thanks Artika 🙂

                    However, I never meant to imply that radiation was harmless or that many people aren't dying from it already.

                    Radiation poisoning (esp. from food and air) is CERTAINLY occurring, so people need to make changes to their habits to minimize this REAL DAMAGE.

                    Another example of EASY and relatively cheap things to do: get a sub-micron air filter. There are plenty of small things like this that should make a significant difference, especially when combined with the right mental attitude.

                    But still, the numbers (ex: an extra 20K human deaths in the US in the spring of 2011) indicate that the risk of death is still not yet that high *in humans* (the Pacific ecosystem is another thing entirely).

                    People probably now have a 75% chance of cancer (or other illness) due to nuclear pollution *over their lifetime*. But if you adapt properly, you can bring this down to maybe 5-10%. THAT IS WORTH IT. It still sucks, but it is what is is.

                    And when our friends see how we have far better health and energy from having adapted smartly to this insane situation, when we offer them tempting solutions rather than just seemingly intractable problems, then we will have a real shot at waking up a lot of people and making all their lives immeasurably better 🙂

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            We have now entered the Twilight Zone.. 🙁

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            I really doubt it. Someone's geiger counter would have gone off. Sometimes wind forms spirals, vortexes, dust-revel-like things, if you will, but they are all cold air. The weather is strange EVERYWHERE. Even Southern Arizona, which should be in low 40s high 60s is in low 50s high 70s, really overly warm, even for here. Not enough rain. No winter rain. Fewer winter birds, definitely fewer birds.

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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Does anyone have an explanation to the MASSIVE dolphin dye offs on the EAST COAST? From Canada to South Florida. In the thousands. Has Fuku plume reached the East Coast as well?

    • Ontological Ontological

      Corexit, and the fine "machine" oil from the Gulf spill, now has been in the worlds currents 4 years. FUFU effect is strong over Ga. Fla. And in many other east coast areas are heating up. Jet stream, sky shine, weather mixing. Too much too fast. They cant take any more. Not long before desperate Humans are trying to get out of the atmosphere, were next.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "In the thousands. Has Fuku plume reached the East Coast as well?"

      Hey howdy, Time.

      It is a combination of the corexit and continuous oil discharges in the gulf that has made it into the Atlantic, AND the plume that is coming over the top of the pole.

      Yummy yum, those fools on the east coast that are responsible for protecting and governing the American People, are getting hit the hardest with ALL OF THIS EVIL POISONOUS RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT and TOXIC POLLUTION from the gulf.

      Only in the babyloninc american govt are they so stupid as to profit from their own deaths, and the deaths of all their families. All this is planned well to do just this. Milk the "useless idiots" for all the slavery and flunky works they can get them to perform, and then kill them all, and their families.

      It is the saddest thing to see a society that is too stupid to save itself. All the average observer can do is cry and pry for those who are suffering, and for those who will continue to suffer, and for those in the future who will suffer the most after are all gone, and praying is no more.

      Big veterans show on RBN now:


    • Pete

      I watched a news program from australia the other day about corexit, and they tested and verified that corexit is like 2 or 3 times as deadly as oil alone, but when corexit is incorporated into the crude oil, IT BECOMES 52 TIMES MORE DEADLY.

      They were talking about corexit cuz its being sprayed offshore for platform leaks and also on the great barrier reef from when that chinese oil tanker ran onto the reef.

      I also remember reading sometime in the past that corexit (and most dispersants) are actually made from chemical waste, products that BP and other companies have to pay millions of dollars a year to dispose of. Thats why there are so many different formulation numbers for dispersants, and why they all wont tell what their proprietary mix is. The article implied that they are making more money on the front end from "disposing" of the chemical waste than they do from the actual sale of corexit.

      Corexit glows under a blacklight, and penetrates human skin. So when people swim or walk in corexit water, if they dont have a seizure, their skin glows from within under a blacklight. Im assuming the atlantic deaths are a combo of corexit and the radiation from fuku. 3 years is plenty of time for fuku water to get to the atlantic, plenty of "pros" would say no but when the truth come out they found the first rads from fuku in VBC in a couple days.

    • GOM GOM

      What we are witnessing is a dying planet. Earth systems are subject to irreversible 'tipping points'. We are there. Carbon dioxide, methane release, ice sheets, forest/rainforest dieback, thermohaline circulation, and on and on. And now, 'The Mother Load', Fukushima. It is absolutely breathtaking what man has managed to inflict on this world in just a few short moments of time.

    • digitalaardvarks digitalaardvarks

      fukushima, bp oil, dumping in the atlantic, yes

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      I have heard and read about this, but I thought it was in the hundreds. It doesn't make sense to me. There is no way the Pacific currents could have reached that far yet; it is just hitting the West Coast now. Looks like it will grow forever. But the East Coast? What? Corexit from the Gulf? Atmospheric fallout from the first two months of Fuku – not enough that far East, I think, I have believed, thus far. Indian Point up to something we don't know about? What's that nuclear power plant in New Jersey that's always leaking? What? What is happening on the East Coast? I don't know. It has me baffled. Befuddled. Bewildered.

  • ss.minnow

    The province, namely vancouver bc is another source that is just about as informative as unnatural nature of things david Suzuki . I will patiently watch and wait until the laughing stops. And at that point I may even crack a smile, But until then I shake my head. Maybe crusty Clark can go windsurfing with Richard (Strangeson) Branson and all will be good. My point of view has never been popular. If it walks like a duck ?

  • bozzy54

    50 more pilot whales found dead near Florida .

    • And many of them were emaciated. all had empty stomachs..

      Is the food supply collapsing in the Atlantic like it seems to be in the Pacific; with disappearance of herring and smaller sea life that herring feed on?

      Did they commit suicide rather than starve to death?

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        My guess…infection.

        • name999 name999

          Dr. Goodheart, pinksailmatt…even still, my heart shutters a bit when I start to feel this in my body.
          It is a world wide murder of life. Knowingly. It is killing us.

          This nuke industry is a long story that really got it's traction in the 1940's in America. Many of us have been fighting this our whole adult lives if not from birth.

          I can't believe these people have actually kept going to this point, this ELE point. It angers me most that we have not been able to stop them. They are a cagey gang stalking bunch of fascists and bullies paying off everyone and their sister to dumb people down. They have the Midas touch. The emperor has no clothes.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Well these graphs are a bit more like it. We had storms here last summer with highly unusual lightening with resounding roof shaking thunder that seemed to echo from the sky. This kind of radiation effect comes from much larger amounts than have been reported so far. Neutron lightning? All the extra material in the atmosphere, could increase this effect.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      Gamma Haze…Neutron Lightning…I kinda thought we had left the earth a while back…now I know!

    • Angela_R

      Ontological – 'neutrons and gamma haze', I tried to get this discussion mobile some days ago, in the thread on the gamma ray haze. Mind you my evolving thoughts were only in infancy and they are quite wild at times. When time is of the essence such sproutings can be frustrating to those with the deadline.

  • dosdos dosdos

    The discrediting of a single piece of evidence as proof that all information relating to the subject is false is inductive reasoning. You might remember me complaining about inductive reasoning being used on both sides of the argument about Fukushima.

    An example of inductive reasoning: I saw a cow and it had no spots, therefore no cows have spots.

    Inductive reasoning is often used by those trying to convince others that they understand science, when they actually don't or don't want a specific result to be considered. It is being used a lot in regard to the contamination heading toward the US west coast. "We took a water sample, and it proved safe."

    Deductive reasoning would require exhaustive water sampling from the shore and outward for hundreds of miles, essentially mapping the ocean currents at high resolution. Then and only then can a claim be made that there is no potential for harm to the human body.

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      My current home town, Philly. My co worker & his partner had their first child, last week, she is eight days old. Mom had a C- so they are still on formula and not breast milk yet. Most of us know someone who just had a baby. I just kept telling him and his partner not to eat fish and to make sure to drink bottled water…. Glad that clip played on MSM.

  • quantumanxiety quantumanxiety

    So disappointed in my city for writing such assinine stories. They did it in a three part type thing, I read one of them yesterday and its all nothing but "shhh, go back to sleep, nothing to be scared of." If anything, the article I read last night was about how supplies of KI are in demand again and how the people coming in to get it are nothing but ill informed frantics that read something on the internet. It did a very good job at trying to make people even feel stupid for being worried about this. Sigh.


    All the palm trees in the NW Florida panhandle are dead or dying. All foliage is sickly looking. Pines look OK, some are orange tinged. And I am getting really scared. There is something happening here, in this area. Anybody seeing anything in their neck of the woods?

    • behappy1

      could just be the "global warming" COLD.

      We had sleet in fort walton beach today. Its been cold.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      GOM- So. California very dry…all the foliage is dried out and I live in the desert so these plants are drought tolerant. Something is going down, but who knows what.

    • name999 name999

      yes, definitely. My yard is dying, my grasses look like straw. Lots of brown dead leaves. Although it was a very beautiful day here today and I worked out in my yard and remembered another life. I bought a can of Herring today, not even to eat. More to remember.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        name999…Old habits die hard…especially when we long for the days they weren't drenched with radiation.

        • GOM GOM

          news. I drove into the city today. Hadn't been there in weeks. The state of the palm trees was so overwhelming I had to pull over and I just stared, in disbelief. How in the hell did this happen so fast? Like name999 said they looked like straw, brown and dead. Something IS happening. I fear like our time is up.

      • 2ndTrumpet

        I received my Geiger counter a few days ago. I found that the Alaskan halibut that was in my freezer for three months had a slight hot spot in it – 12cpm. Don't know what I'll do without seafood.

        • Arizonan Arizonan

          12 CPM hardly seems high. What kind of geiger counter are you using? What is your normal background, indoors and outdoors? Our normal S. AZ background averages around 50 CPM. Outdoors. Granitic sands = radon. Around 30 CPM indoors.

          Was there a difference between the flesh and the bone of the fish? I had a tuna sample from a store in Southern AZ; the flesh was 35 CPM indoors, but the bone was at 60CPM. We have an extremely sensitive PRM9000 from Mazur instruments with a 2.5 in. pancake. We didn't eat the bone, but we ate the flesh. It felt like playing Russian roulette. I think that was the last time I ate any Pacific fish. It was last year sometime. I'm done eating anything from the Pacific for the rest of my life. Alas. Adapt.

          The problem with geiger counters is they cannot tell you very much about food. Even that 35 CPM in the fish flesh, even though it was about the same as indoor background, that tells me NOTHING about whether or not there is a hot particle of cesium or plutonium in that fish flesh. That I then ingest, which then adds to my risk of developing a fatal cancer or other negative health effect.

          Many glazed cups from China read at around 100 CPM. You can see the numbers start going up right away. I throw those ones out. My nose had been in some of those old favorites for years! Uranium-bearing top soil, near Grand Canyon, spikes at around 100 CPM. Old uranium mine, top soil, spiked at 1200 CPM in one sample, and 6000 CPM in another. Do not breathe…


    news. Had trouble with graphs, but I see that Florida is in trouble by the maps. About the ice wall. That pic is amazing. I read a scientist that said if they build it, the water will back up and the plant will eventually sink. Any thoughts?

  • The scientists are using this;

    "total Cs-137 directly released in the ocean range from only 1 PBq up to as high as 27 PBq, when estimated from measured radioactivities"

    What measurements are they talking about? More simulations?

    They talk about simulations, models, and statistics, based on flawed input, and no continued releases.

    Their focus is on cesium, but they ignore plutonium, iodine as well as all of plutonium's effects completely.

    They seem to ignore the effect of the initial airborne FUKU plume completely, because that covered the whole ocean in a matter of days. How could radiation not arrive in Hawaii or US until 2014, when the Fuku rads crossed the ocean in a matter of days, in really high amounts? Those rads settled on the ocean and had effects. But according to them, NOTHING happened.

    As noted before, garbage in = garbage out..

    Those studies may sound scientific, but they are all seem to be fatally flawed, incomplete, based on false inputs, or completely miss the point and important data, such as;

    98% coverage of surface of dead sea life on the floor of the ocean 150 miles offshore, 1,500 Bq/kg on seafloor measurements of actual radiation on the seabed hundreds of miles out there, etc..

    Simulations are NOT real life.

    • artika rama

      dr goodheart ++++ It seems simulations ,, mathematical models ,, statistics ,, have turned into tools for manipulation of the real facts and hiding the truth .
      Its a shame that science is used as a propaganda machine .

      • Chernobyl was 85 PBq.. Chernobyl: Assessment of Radiological and Health Impact -Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA)

        And almost all scientists are still using the 1 – 27 PBq for Fukushima.. only 10% of Chernobyl..

        Garbage in = garbage out, no matter how many pages of scientific papers they generate or how many 'studies' taxpayers pay for.

  • doug523

    Just one the reasons I don't read mainstream newspapers, especially "The province." That paper is such a joke.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, it's all very bizarre! 🙂

    "Garbage in = garbage out, no matter how many pages of scientific papers they generate or how many 'studies' taxpayers pay for." 🙁