Newspaper: Headaches, nausea, eye irritation reported from giant sinkhole; Worries emerge about residents with cancer — Official Downplays Concerns: “My opinion… is the facts”

Published: December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 am ET
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Title: Sinkhole health fears discussed
Source: Advocate
Author: BY David J. Mitchell
Date: December 14, 2012
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[...] “In my opinion, stay away from Baton Rouge, stick to Bayou Corne, but that’s the facts,” [Louisiana’s state epidemiologist Raoult Ratard] said. [...]

Ratard opened his talk with a warning that he would be presenting just the facts and would not be helping people decide what to do based on those facts. He said residents would have to determine for themselves whether they consider the area to be safe to live in. [...]

[The presentation] generally downplayed any environmental health concerns for residents [...]

“It’s CYA. That’s it,” [Nick Romero, 64, who still lives in Bayou Corne] said in an interview after the meeting.

Romero said he would like to see some sort of health study, noting that evacuated friends who lived in Bayou Corne have told him they felt much better once they left the area, especially their children. [...]

Some Bayou Corne residents have complained of headaches, nausea and eye irritation from a smell believed emanating from the sinkhole, and worries have also emerged about residents with cancer. [...]

See also: Giant Sinkhole: Residents reporting really acute health impacts (AUDIO)

Published: December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 am ET
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58 comments to Newspaper: Headaches, nausea, eye irritation reported from giant sinkhole; Worries emerge about residents with cancer — Official Downplays Concerns: “My opinion… is the facts”

  • or-well or-well

    "I'm the State Epidemiologist,
    the designated apologist.
    My opinion is as fact.
    As I believe, so must you act.
    Objective reality must be spurned.
    My fantasy is your concern.
    As I believe so must you do.
    I'm a psychopath thru and thru."

    Unfair? So what?


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Bayou Corne is a dead town, and anyone staying there will likely die from it. If you as residents haven't already done so, observe the evacuation for the sake of your health. It is not a safe place to linger.


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  • jec jec

    Italian scientists were charged with manslaughter (6 yrs in prison) for providing inaccurate and false assurance prior to a severe earthquake. Louisianna as well as other areas of the USA/world face similar assurances from "official" sources. In the above media event, Raoult Ratard downplays dangers to the Bayou Corne citizens. If Mr. Retard had to face damages for his pronouncements -things would change. I hope there are legal professionals watching the wording and comments…


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  • many moons

    The first thing the residents must decide is how much truth is in what the "official(s) bullshitters are shilling.


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    Something large showed up on all hellicorders, very large.. I could not find any corresponding earthquake to explain it, but it is early yet..
    http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    With all these toxins burping up and surrounding the area, how can anyone feel good? How can anyone think this air/water/food is good for a person?

    Down plays, why are there people who are surprised by this?
    Use your own intelligence, gut feelings, and don't depend or trust anyone to give you all the information you need.


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  • Maggie123

    One of my concerns is that people (all/most of us) are extremely reluctant to let ourselves "believe the worst". We typically 'give benefit of doubt' for as long as we possibly can. Many reasons for this – some of them good – but it can delay essential action.

    I posted info on Dec 11th with links on experience of W.Virginians re mountain top removal: http://enenews.com/forum-topic-discussion-thread-feb-26-2012-present/comment-page-69#comment-314429.

    I hoped to catch Bayou Corne attention because I think the W.Virginia experience reveals just how important it is for residents to be absolutely firm in demands that govt and corporate officials meet their responsibilities and duties.

    I've witnessed/heard some of this firm strength in vids of Bayou Corne meetings – congratulations to the community! But as risks continue, even escalate – then style of 'firm demand' may need also to escalate (IMO – it does.)

    It's possible to show respect to someone while also calling someone firmly to task.

    I've also wondered if community should not consider evacuating itself 'en mass' – say with tents to a parking lot or something. Really would be a very tough decision to make – but I've wondered about it.


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Maggie, Thanks for posting the link to hill top mining. It is a very closely related article / topic. I agree with you that it is time for all countries on this planet to evaluate the activities of greedy individuals. If someone is destroying the environment then they should be stopped from further activities, certainly not allowed to do the clean/cover up.


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      • Maggie123

        16Penny – early in interview a featured guest gives graphic description of the process of blowing the top off the land.

        I felt traumatized just listening and imagining the loss, (stored memory of watching forest be 'walked down' by bulldozers while knowing what lived in those forests.).

        Powerful descriptions continue in interview – re watershed and water/soil full destruction, human health consequence, … employment worries …, and industry *extreme* resistance to any interference.

        A most unfortunate condensed summary of national/global destructiveness, IMO.


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Yes. Mr. Retard is craftily omitting the fact that benzene is not the only thing that these people are breathing. The liver can only flush out so many toxins, and the lungs can only stand so much exposure to so many toxins.
    Of course, they announce right at the time of the meeting that "The new equipment includes a tank that will hold the removed oil, capture H2S fumes emitted by the oil and send the gas to a flare already designed to burn off methane at the site, Cranch and parish officials said."
    Since this flaring of H2S creates SO2, and is highly life threatening, then they should have had this information before they attended the meeting.
    I believe this was intentional.

    Now, all LDNR updates have been discontinued as well onsite.


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  • PraisingJesus(Eashoa’ M’sheekha) anne

    DHH Bayou Corne Resident Briefing, Part 10

    Published on Dec 14, 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDE2q_QbFls


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  • dial it up

    H2S + H2O -> SULFURIC ACID
    Basically the H2S comes into contact with the mucous membranes of their eyes, noses, mouths, throats and lungs, and creates an ACID in their eyes, noses, mouths, throats and lungs. It is criminal that residents in the area are not being relocated and protected and compensated. This is just another failure of the regulators and the scientists and industry and lawyers and doctors. Where are all the responsible people in the world?


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    • FREEDOMROX

      You're not getting the point. They are going to capture and collect the H2S, and then burn it, by flaring, right along with the methane…by using the same FLARE!

      When H2S is flared, (burned), then it becomes SO2, sulphur dioxide. Look that up….


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      • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

        Hi Freedom….it is my understanding that they are going to be scrubbing the H2s….not flaring it. They will be installing scrubbers. What am I missing?

        As far as last night, I was so ticked at the joke of a meeting that I walked out and couldn't deal with uploading what I had. I am uploading the video now, though I know most have seen bits of the meeting. I included my own little rant, and the pics of the slides presented.


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        • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

          I also googled S02….and it appears to me it is not legal to do this unless it's an emergent situation.

          http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/newsletters/civil/enfalert/flaring.pdf

          Use of a flare for combusting acid gas instead of processing it in the SRP produces very large uncontrolled releases of sulfur dioxide (SO2) and effectively bypasses the permitted and monitored SRP emission point. While the flare is designed to pre-vent the direct release of the very toxic and odoriferous hydrogen sulfide during malfunctions at the SRP, EPA has documented situations of regular or routine use of flares for acid gas incineration instead of the expected reliance on the flare only for emergencies.

          One day of acid gas flaring can easily release more SO2 than is released in a single year of permitted SRP activity. On numerous occasions, EPA has uncovered information on acid gas flaring incidents that shows that 100 tons or more of SO2 can be released in such flaring within a 24-hour period.

          Health Dangers From Sulfur Dioxide (S02)

          Flaring H2S can produce high ambient concentrations of SO2. Short-term exposures to elevated SO2 levels while at moderate exertion may result in reduced lung function accompanied by such symptoms as wheezing, chest tightness, or shortness of breath in asthmatic children and adults. Other effects associated with longer-term exposures to high concentrations of SO2, combined with high levels of particulate matter, can result in respiratory…


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            cont'd…

            Other effects associated with longer-term exposures to high concentrations of SO2, combined with high levels of particulate matter, can result in respiratory illness, alterations in the lungs’ defenses, and aggravation of existing cardiovascular disease. Those at risk include individuals with cardiovascular disease or chronic lung disease,


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        • FREEDOMROX

          Hey Rainbow.
          Not according to Sonny Cranch…

          However, Sonny Cranch, spokesman for the Houston company, said oil and gas removal from the well that taps the cavern 3,400 feet underground will not resume until the new equipment is fully inspected by company consultants and state and parish agencies. . . .

          . . . . The new equipment includes a tank that will hold the removed oil, capture H2S fumes emitted by the oil and send the gas to a flare already designed to burn off methane at the site, Cranch and parish officials said. The oil can then be safely removed for recycling. . . .

          http://theadvocate.com/news/ascension/4667559-123/texas-brine-tackles-hydrogen-sulfide


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          • FREEDOMROX

            Also, I have checked the DNR updates and so far all they have added is a Frac Tank…but they haven't posted today's yet.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            I'm reading that differently than you, and I was just told a few nights ago by GOHSEP that scrubbers were being brought in, so I'll email him and get that clarified and let you know what he says.


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          • jec jec

            NOTE the H2S is to be "scrubbed" from the OIL. A lot of this material is a GAS..and came out as a gas in at least ONE instance which caused the well to be shut-down. What is the "plan" to capture the gases which are venting from the various drilled and leaking areas/wells? And the bayou and the water areas of the sinkhole? HELLO out there Texas Brine..you are ignoring a MAJOR danger to people in the area. Who is insuring TB? Someone needs to write a letter with a legal letterhead and ask for the insurance company guidance as to their (insurance company) liability and coverage. Nuke industry has a 300M cap for insurance liability,government covers the rest in a "slush" fund. Wonder if Texa Brine has some sort of deal going on with the local government folks who are the mouth pieces touting SAFETY of this witches brew.

            Anyone with canarys in their homes? Keep a close eye on them..


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            • FREEDOMROX

              This what I can't get people to understand. You can scrub it, and separate it, but you still have to dispose of it. K/D/S Promix is the nearest Amine Tower facility and it would have to be trucked there, but from what I am reading…they are going to flare the gas.
              As for what is already in the Aquifer, they are only flaring off methane, and that is only one component of oil. The oil will still be in the aquifer…period.


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              • FREEDOMROX

                I'm not saying wet scrubbers will not work, but the tanks have to be disposed of, just not what Sonny Cranch stated…still waiting on Rain to fill me in. There is no way to filter H2S in the sinkhole, or any of the bubbling areas, if they happen to take that route.
                As I stated above, the aquifer is lost…


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                • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                  Well….I sent the quote of Cranch, and told him the concern about S02. Repsonse is that thye will know more Monday…


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                  • FREEDOMROX

                    You have got to be kidding me? They don't know the plan already?


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      You know what this seems like? When I was 14 I watched a man that had a doberman chained to a post. Everytime the dog got curious and went in one direction, the owner would smack him with a whip. Then when he went in the other direction, all he had was the side of a shed to run into.
                      That's how cruel these 'Officials' are being to you folks….

                      Of course, after I knee capped the mean assed SOB, "Dobey" was a fine dog to me for many a year.

                      But I think you get my point….maybe it's time to knee cap these bastards.


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                    • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                      You were reading it right Freedom…

                      http://www.texasbrine.com/response/2012-12-14_TBC-Update.pdf

                      "Texas Brine Company, LLC UPDATE
                      December 14, 2012

                      1. The Observation Well is shut in. Final inspection of the equipment that has been installed to safely contain and flair hydrogen sulfide is expected to be
                      completed Monday.

                      If approved, liquid hydrocarbon and any accumulated
                      natural gas will be displaced to the surface from cavern #3 on Tuesday of
                      next week."

                      Now is when we really need to start bitching if this is approved.


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                    • FREEDOMROX

                      I was so hoping I was wrong!!! Bitching would not be the half of it, as they are betting there is not enough H2S to contribute, enough S02, to be noticeable in the short term, but only in chronic doses. Then they can easily say, "Well you were warned all these gases were present, and we issued an Evacuation Order."
                      Lord Help!

                      Contact me at: freedomrox@breakthru.com

                      I will show you how to beat this!

                      If they are wrong, then you will not die slowly as they wish, but in moments in your sleep, just as they did in China.

                      Please, folks, I never give out an email addy, and I ask you do not flood me like the last two times I did this.

                      I am happy to help all I can, but overload solves nothing. Thank you so much.


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                  • Ibuiltthis Ibuiltthis

                    OMG… that has been the answer to everything… we will post those results, we will know more next week, next month… ugh! They should all have to live in the community until they tell us what they KNOW!


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              • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                Hey Freedom…..sorry, I left last night and had some fun. I just sent you an email, but you might catch me easier through FB message. I'm bad about checking email unless I am expecting something!


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        • FREEDOMROX

          Oh c'mon now…Mr. Retard was about as understandable and entertaining as "The Nutty Professor", The Original with Jerry Lewis.


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          • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

            Yup, and that was my main complaint. I think it was perfectly orchestrated, don't you?


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            • FREEDOMROX

              I only skimmed some of the vids, because I got sick of the NORM questions from the residents and them being stonewalled…
              Yes, Mr. Retard said, "I am an expert and you are safer here than in Baton Rouge." HAHAHA! That cinched it for me.


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              • rainbeaudais rainbeaudais

                Okay, I met an error after almost 3 hours of uploading, so i am trying again but off to do other things for now while it tries again. Will let you know when I hear something back from GOHSEP.


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                • Steve_G Steve_G

                  Thank you so much for the video uploads that you do,rainbeaudais. Up here in Canada this ongoing disaster / farce is receiving almost zero coverage and I think it's because the MSM have been told to clamp this down. The worst case scenario, should these upwellings be found to be associated with fractured bedrock in the Gulf, is more than the FEDS can come to grips with. It truly is terrifying in it's plausible consequences! As well, after viewing the"expert" in the community meeting, I became disgusted with the whole shoddy performance by that clown!


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    • many moons

      The industry is not letting the people know the truth about what they are being exposed to cause that would lead to lawsuits…so they give them half lies half bullshit then say it's up to you if you think you should leave. The industry takes that position because evacuation would mean putting the population in hotels and then then they would have to offer some compensation.

      No instead they pollute peoples homes, land, water…all the while making money, then when the land is uninhabitable they say…leave if you want to…That is so ridiculous….where are the judges to protect the people…..???


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  • FREEDOMROX

    Yeah, I saw and poste it too. I notice they have moved the ramp back another 50 Ft. (Again)


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