NHK: Failure at Fukushima — Gundersen: Extraordinarily radioactive leak will be in Pacific shortly; “Site is going to bleed into ocean for 100 years”

Published: February 21st, 2014 at 10:33 am ET


NHK, Feb. 21, 2014: Measures fail to stop Fukushima plant leaks — [Tepco] has been coming up with countermeasures to deal with repeated leaks […] despite the measures, 100 tons of radioactive water leaked on Wednesday and Thursday. […] Last August, more than 300 tons of highly radioactive wastewater leaked from one of the plant’s storage tanks. […] In October, another leak of highly contaminated water occurred, this time from a different tank on the site. [Tepco] said the leak resulted from overfilling the tank. […] This time the water again overflowed out of a tank […] they will seek additional measures to address these new problems.

Asahi Shimbun, Feb. 21, 2014: Tests by TEPCO indicated 240 million becquerels of beta-ray emitting radioactive substances per liter of water, including radioactive strontium, were contained in the water that leaked. […] As of Feb. 18, the volume of radioactive water stored in the 1,000 holding tanks at the plant totaled about 520,000 tons. Of that, 340,000 tons is highly radioactive, according to TEPCO.

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds chief engineer, Feb. 20, 2014: […] This was an extraordinarily highly radioactive leak. They claim it didn’t run directly into the ocean but almost as bad it’s leaked into the ground water. And the ground water will get to the ocean shortly. So, It is just one more source that will definitely contaminate the ocean if not now – eventually. […] I think Tokyo Electric is pretending to be the victim of these problems instead of the perpetrator of these problems. They created this problem and they have a responsibility to make sure it doesn’t happen […] leaks on the site that never seem to stop. […] it went into the ground and is moving downward into the ground water, which will get to the ocean shortly. […] it is heading for the ocean anyway along with many other leaks. The site is going to bleed into the ocean for a hundred years. […] The isotopes that are in this tank is something called strontium 90, and it is a bone seeker that causes leukemia. And it stays in the environment for 300 years. […] They have contaminated the entire ground water underneath the site and eventually all of that water will move into the Pacific.

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Published: February 21st, 2014 at 10:33 am ET


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202 comments to NHK: Failure at Fukushima — Gundersen: Extraordinarily radioactive leak will be in Pacific shortly; “Site is going to bleed into ocean for 100 years”

  • You're wrong Arnie.

    "Tokyo Electric… the perpetrator of these problems. They created this problem…" – A. Gundersen

    The Nuclear Power Industry and it's proponents are the perpetrators of this catastrophic global debacle. 'They' ALL need to accept their responsibility in this insidious nightmare.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks


    • Yep, nuke is the classic economic hitman, with USA military industrial complex, and GE and Babcox and Wilcox leading the charge. Criminals out of the gate.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        It has been an incredible money windfall for so many that have been involved in the past 70 years… 🙁

        • Yep stealing from the present and the future. Nice hitman job!

          • FallOut FallOut

            – The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has said that it will continue monitoring developments of a leak from an overflowing water storage tank at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Japan, adding that it considers that the leak poses no danger to the public. Japanese authorities have informed the IAEA that a leak from an overflowing water storage tank at TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station was detected in the late evening of 19 February 2014, the IAEA said in a statement, adding that about 100 cubic metres of radioactive water leaked to the ground adjacent to the tank storage area before the leak was stopped about six hours later. "Based on the information provided, IAEA experts consider that the leak poses no danger to the public", the agency said. "IAEA experts also consider actions taken by Japan's Nuclear Regulatory Authority (NRA) following the leak to be appropriate. –

            • rogerthat

              Well, we know this, don't we? Radiation is safe, safe, safe. We know this because the International Atomic Agency says so. and it is full of experts, and they say so, and they know. Radiation never kills anybody. Only 30 people died at Chernobyl. No-one has been killed by Fukushima radiation. So of course the release of 100 tonnes of water containing 25 trillion becquerels of beta radiation, mostly strontium, in the opinion of the IAEA experts, poses no danger to the public''.
              This is such good news that we should all be out there dancing in the streets. On your knees, peasants, and bow down to the great nuclear god. That 100 tonnes is now on its way into the Pacific and into the seafood and on to the beaches, and then into the air and on to the ground and eventually back into the ocean in a neverending cycle, passing through and being inhaled and eaten and accumulating and multiplying and being buried and cremated and burning up in forest fires and eventually …. for ever.

              • rogerthat

                … and we should be dancing in the streets because if this 100 tonnes ''poses no danger to the public'', then there is no reason to fear the 340,000 tonnes of highly similar water remaining in tepco's tanks, or the 180,000 tonnes of less radioactive but similar water in tepco's tanks, or the three melted nuclear reactor cores in contact with the groundwater and the underground river, or the hundreds of tonnes of nuclear fuel rods in a similar state. There's no reason to worry, because if 27 trillion becquerels is safe, everything is safe, and we can all relax and go shopping, party like there's no tomorrow, don't worry, be happy, and smile, smile smile. Always smile, just in case.

    • lam335 lam335

      AG's remark isn't "wrong," just incomplete. TEPCO is certainly part of the nuke industry, and they knowingly fudged tests results and ignored problems for years. And they were advised that their sea wall was too low for the kind of wave that could come, but ignored the warning. (The site was originally thirty feet higher, but they cut it down to be closer to the water supply.)

      But I agree that the other guilty parties shouldn't get off the hook simply because TEPCO is managing Fuku. But how can they be held accountable? The government and the industry are too intertwined and too powerful for any of them to be brought to justice.

      I have been boycotting GE since 3/11, but that won't make any difference to them because the vast majority of the public doesn't seem to notice or care about Fuku at all (and boycotts only work if massive numbers of people do them). There are so many parties and interests whose irresponsible/greedy actions have contributed to the culture and attitudes that let this debacle to happen and that continue to enable it to fester and spew instead of dealing with it properly. The industry's connections to the media has also contributed to the enabling, as has the "science" propagated by the "health physics" people, which they consistently hide behind to deny that any health impacts are even possible…

    • We Not They Finally

      ChasAha, we all already KNOW that it's an industry wide culpability. Just let Gundersen pin TEPCO down for THIS locale. Please! This isn't nitpicking that helps.

      You don't like Arnie Gundersen? Find experts out there that are doing ANYTHING, much less as much as him. This is getting irritating.

      What if your problem with him, anyway? He's too soft spoken? Tat's just how he IS. He has been working tirelessly on this.

      Please lay off!

      • nedlifromvermont

        Hey there WNTF … I'm with Chas Aha on this one … and he really isn't "laying on" too hard.

        Let's have more "insider revulsion" than the pussy footing around this dragon we all too often witness ….

        Spent Fool Pools got to all go … say it, Arnie! Fool Pool Re-racker Extraordinaire from the good ol' days of 80's and 90's.

        Something like, "What were we thinking?"

        peace, out!

        • mairs mairs

          I still remember him saying that Fukushima will end up being the bookend at the end of nuclear power. Funny me… I guess I thought that meant that he was all for ending nuclear power. So according to some anonymous posters, he didn't really mean it…

      • To be clear.

        I am not anti-Arnie, but if somebody makes a finger pointing statement then it should be accurate.

        IMO – His statement is a 'tap dance' diversion and an attempt to place blame on a company and not the people who created and control the entire Nuclear Power Industry.

        I also think 100 years of bleeding into the Pacific is an understatement. 😉

        • mairs mairs

          I for one am glad he takes the tack that he does. I think it's very smart of him.

        • Sickputer

          When a citizen as publicly identifiable as Arnie throws down the challenge gauntlet and publicly criticizes the nuclear Philistines then it's probably best to fire verbal stones at the Goliath out in front.

          If there is a place more deserving of criticism than Tepco's Fukushima Daiichi, then it must be the best kept secret on earth.

          Arnie was a driving force in the upcoming 2014 demise of Vermont Yankee NPP and the permanent shutdown of SONGS (San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station). Quite possibly a huge impact on the 50 idled Japanese nuclear power reactors.

          If 100 Enenewsers had been as persuasive there would be no plants operational on earth.

          Who will risk it all like Arnie? He would have permanently been constrained long ago in Russia. In America if silenced he would be a martyr on an equal to Karen Silkwood. But we know that the military industrial complex has ways of silencing that are hard to detect.

          I personally respect Arnie and while I may disagree at times over some of his speculations, i am convinced we are on the same team. YMMV.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            Sickputer- I agree with you 100%. Arnie is actually putting his face out in public. Would we be so willing to take on a former employer right now?

            I know there are people on this site that have hated where they worked and have done things for a paycheck that maybe they didn't agree with in order to feed and house their families. It take guts to go against the industry that you formerly made your career.

            Regardless if he was pro-nuke at one time, he is fighting a good fight now. Geez, if this is how people treat someone who is trying to create change, it certainly doesn't give future Nuke Professionals a warm feeling about coming out of the fold to fight the Nuclear Cartel.

            You know, Arnie is in good company….people still criticize Mother Theresa that she didn't do enough for the poor…..

    • razzz razzz

      A 100 years…Arnie is an optimist.

  • sundowner

    I'm no expert but if this adds up why have countries not taken this up? A thorium-fueled nuclear reactor generates hundreds of times the power of a uranium or coal power plant but produces essentially no waste. A thorium power plant would produce much less than 1% of the waste that a uranium plant of equal magnitude produces and, of course, would produce no carbon dioxide. More importantly, while the waste of a uranium power plant is toxic for over 10,000 years, the little waste that is produced in a thorium plant is benign in under 200 years. Even more impressive, the thorium power plant can be used to burn our current stockpile of nuclear waste.

    • Thorium is NOT the answer.

      We have much better options than nuke or coal. Phase them out.

      "Benign" in 200 years, AS IS that is an "Answer". I see only 6 generations of human genome damage….gosh golly go for it!

      Sorry if your comment is well intended.

    • atomicistheword

      Thorium reactors use a co component in the reaction that is very friendly to the weapons industry.

      The thorium spin doctors make it look like candy for underling uptake. They are currently blitzing the internet with propaganda, promises and smiley faces.

      Probably call it nuclear next because atomic is connected with dead burnt up cancer ridden people.

      Thorium atomic reactors are not a new concept.

    • lam335 lam335

      They could have used thorium back in the mid-20th century when commercial nuclear power plants were first planned/built, but uranium was chosen because the government wanted 1. facilities to refine uranium and 2. plutonium, the by-product of its fissioning, to make their weapons of mass destruction (and of course they found some nasty uses for the "depleted" uranium too).

      So much for "our friend" the peaceful atom.

      • Tim42

        Thorium bread into U-233, (required step), is just as dirty when fission-ed as U-235 or Pu-238. All the same nasty man-made isotopes(tritium, iodine, cesium, strontium, etc), and just as deadly when released into the environment.

        We need to eliminate nuclear fission from the face of the earth or be subject to a giant experiment of mutation, disease, and genetic damage.

        • nedlifromvermont

          correction: We can eliminate nuclear fission from the face of the Earth AND be subject to a giant experiment of mutation, disease etc.

        • lam335 lam335

          Thanks for the info. I'm not an advocate for Thorium reactors (or any other kind of reactors). I was just answering Sundowner's question asking why nations have not gone for Thorium reactors. What I have heard is that It wasn't because they thought Uranium ones were safer or more viable; it was just for military-related reasons.

    • We Not They Finally

      sundowner, please don't tempt me to use bad words. THORIUM by itself is INERT. It needs to be activated by URANIUM, which then becomes RADIOACTIVE uranium.

      Thanks for your thorium ideas, but really really REALLY, NO THANKS!!

      It's just being pushed again now because where thorium is mined, there are also rare earth minerals which are coveted by the electronics industry. And you thought they were "humanitarians"? Ha!!

    • razzz razzz

      That's right sundowner, you are no expert. Trying reading up on the subject before making silly statements, not quoting propaganda for the next generation of nuclear disasters.

      Not even expects can get one to run more than a few months at a time, wonder why?

    • @ sundowner
      February 21, 2014 at 10:54 am

      How many thorium fuelled fuel cycles are in existence to prove your claims? None! Dont give fantasy the force of truth. Modern civilization's promises are all corrupted by imperfect knowledge and incapable enabling the continuance of life in diversity and in harmony, here and NOW. The reason is breathtakingly simple. What is the imperfect knowledge that fails modern civilization? And leads to Fukushimas? And Kedarnaths? And Kyshtyms(most recent examples are the Swedish nuke waste repository, the Louisiana sinkhole, and the WIPP, New Mexico). Please allow yourselves some thinking, use your brains to get at the truth. Tell the world, this is the truth. Still, because we want to make fortunes whatever the cost, including suicide we are going ahead with false designs. Nuclear fusion in the sun provided and still provides the only basis for living in health,NOW. Lets design accordingly. Past models are there for normal ways of life which recognise truth: To see one changeless life in all the lives, in the separate, the inseparable. The basis of health is a zero cost economy: Production, consumption and return. Modern civilization is the very embodiment of waste, hence imperfection. The biggest example of bad design is modern civilization. Recognise and change now. Be content with fusion in the sun for meeting legitimate needs of the planet.And so prevent the next Fukushima or at least be proactive in all spheres of the planet.

  • Ya. Why tax GE? They're simply the designers. Not their fault or that of their shareholders?

    Sigh. For those wanting to wake the neighbors:

  • charlie3

    I'm always amazed by the the anti-cancer ads I see asking for money to "fight cancer".
    Why not get rid of the radioactive nuclear power that causes the cancers instead?

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @charlie3;+311 !! I asked myself the same thing every time I see the anti-cancer ads or sat outside the shielded room as my spouse sat underneath a radiation "cannon" firing doses considered twice levels known to be fatal 100% and it didn't escape my observation that the machine she sat in the crosshairs of had a light-blue GE/Toshiba logo just above the "muzzle" 😐 ??!! I wonder how much $$ the biggest contributor's to the spiraling out of control cancer rates donate to the cause??,and on a "corporate" or "individual" level with regards to those who are DEFINITELY "in the know" as well as responsible but NEVER held accountable for the damage??!! I guess it doesn't matter??(not to THEM anyways) 🙁

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    You have way to much common sense my friend, a very valuable trait that was lost many years ago for most human beings.. 🙂

  • Socrates

    Tepco needs to get off the cross. They are bleeding nuclear waste into the Pacific Ocean for the rest of our lives and our children's lives. Our grandchildren will be dealing with this problem.

    Japanese industrialist have a history of minimizing industrial hazards of asbestos, for example. The Honda three – wheeler was known as the crippler of young adults in the US where it was marketed by American Honda Motor Company, Inc. Despite the many quadriplegic pre-teens coming into emergency rooms across the US every holiday, there was an obstinacy in accepting responsibility.

    Some Japanese businessmen regard themselves as Samurai in suits. Us consumer lawyers are dismissed as frauds, nuisance… a good friend of mine taught law in Osaka to teach concepts of due process and equal protection and rights in criminal cases. In civil cases, these concepts are alien.

    There is also a cultural bias in parts of Japan against ethnic people from Fukushima. These attitudes, values and beliefs and the culture and history explain the bad attitude of businessmen in Japan accepting responsibility for this disaster. Guilt-based psychology is foreign. Rather, saving face is thought to better explain the psychology and motivations. The latest lack of remorse tactic looks like they are trying to make us feel sorry for them so that we will feel guilty and excuse or justify their actions. Do not fall into this psychological trap.

    • Socrates

      We must redouble our efforts to hold businessmen liable for damages to us and the commons of this planet. These people and corporations wish to extract resources and produce energy for profit without having to account economically for the damages, which they externalize or "socialize." Meanwhile, they are off to the banks with their profits.

      Trial lawyers deter this pattern by taking the profit out of dangerous products and services. Regulators are never up to this task. They are bought off by the revolving door of industry and offshored to limp-regulation bodies that are actually promoto4rs in disguise such as the IAEA with the WHO having to clear all information releases in advance.

      So long as any activity is profitable,and there is no effective shifting back of legal liability for damages created by that activity, that activity will continue. Regulators are a known joke. Their budgets are gutted by those who want to save taxes as against big government. The EPA is a joke. The NRC is ineffective and largely controlled by industry. Congress will do nothing because of campaign contributions.

      As with BP's spill and Wall Street's financial crimes in subprime, slaps on the hand are not enough. Sue the bastards. Put them in prison.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        "So long as any activity is profitable…" it's ALREADY non-profitable hence the tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars in subsidies to build and decommission – next.
        "Sue the bastards. Put them in prison." This is two different things you're talking about, civil and criminal – you should know this. You know, since the parties involved already have immunity protection, nobody's going to press charges. So that leaves civil. And without being able to show direct cause, you don't have a case. Unless people are dying within two weeks, you got nothing. Incidentally, the people who authored the paper on PNAS claiming they can trace cancer back to the cause never responded to my email asking for more information. How long has NPPs been running? Can you show cases where civil cases have been settled successfully and to the, and here's the important part, to the satisfaction of the plaintiffs? I'm not not aware of any. A class action where everyone gets $5.13 doesn't sound satisfying to me and I'm sure to others. Good speech tho'. Carry on.

        Oh… and the only times I'm aware of, when these dirty bombs and waste sites get shut down, isn't through any actions of wishful thinkers, it's been through good fortune. I offer San Onofre as exhibit 1:

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Clarification: "Show me cases of "businessmen liable for damages to us and the commons of this planet" (assuming the current crisis) having been settled to plaintiffs satisfaction.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        Interesting what you wrote here: "Sue the bastards. Put them in prison." And your seemingly contradictory post here:

        Unless what you're saying is, even though gov't and big business are one, you can still prosecute? And sue for damages? Really? Please tell me your strategy on achieving all this.

        • atomicistheword


          The French got sick of eating cake. Can you imagine huge cancer spikes, ecological disaster and viral mutation causing economic collapse in a nation that is self armed? I would not like to be seen as uncaring corporations /government in them days.

        • Socrates

          My Dear Psyche ward:

          Since you are against legal remedies and even put down a courageous nun, it is obvious that you think of yourself as an anti-nuclear Rambo. Many of us get that your legal conclusions are all screwed up and wrong. You lack experience, training a d education. You talk of immunities and standing, yet you misunderstand basic legal concepts.

          If you get drunk and run over someone, you will go to jail AND vet sued. This is so elementary that any first year law student would know this.

          You are here to infuse this cite with the idea that you are going to lead an army against nuclear energy but all you do is discredit the effort with your pseudo hints at violence.

          You spend your entire day blogging here. You try to bully people. You are clueless as to the difference between a multi-plaintiff lawsuit and a class action.

          You deride civil disobedience and legal remedies and drop hints about hour big violent military background, yet you do nothing constructive. You just sit behind a computer and spread your ignorance about law. Pathetic.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            I can multitask. Got more than one monitor too. Your ad hominem attacks are quite revealing – keep up the good work. You're sounding more socref-ish everyday. I'm sorry I'm not up to your intellectual level. Did you answer my questions?

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            I've also noted your posts contrast greatly between quite intellectually stimulating to brackish and juvenile. Obviously not the same person. Who or what are you?

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            "Psyche ward"? Ouch. What are you, GS1? Your bosses should send someone at a higher pay grade. What is that I smell?? Is… is it fear? Desperation? “A sane person to an insane society must appear insane.” — Kurt Vonnegut. So thank you. See, I knew we were best buds. Now, tell me, who is Heisenberg?


            • We Not They Finally

              Methinks thou doth protest too much….

              You don't need to be this defensive. Most of us want the bastards sued, HOWEVER, given that rich folks wind up with fines rather than actual punishment, YES we want them put in prison!! Lifetime, no parole — minimum punishment.

              For example, Prescott Bush (Sr's father, W.'s grandfather) was CONVICTED under the Trading With the Enemies Act in 1942, for building up the Hitler war machine. He should have been jailed for life as a traitor, but just got a fine (HOWEVER big — it was just a FINE!) and went on to become a U.S. Senator. That was despicably wrong.

              So the law oftentimes only does so much. But everyone has their own suggestions about remedies and punishment. And sometimes big lawsuits get a lot of publicity and people get educated. So just let everyone do what they can!

              (Good God! — calm down, guys.)

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              This might be relevant to this little skirmish; I lived in Mexico for about a year, and one time I came upon an old couple hanging upside down from an overpass. I could make out that the woman was nagging her husband that he should sue the asses off the cartel that were holding their daughter ransom. (I figured they couldnt pay and thats why they were inverted). The man was visibly distraught, telling his wife he was in no position to sue the cartel. Finally the wife gave up in exasperation and refused to even talk to the man. Needless to say I was shocked by the whole scene but managed to yell up to the woman that she was just so wrong to give up hope at influencing her husbands opinion….just before they were mowed down by gunfire. Just one of those tragic things you see in countries ruled by cartels, but at least I got a word in

            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              Aside from the insults,maybe you're both right??! It seems to me that the very nature and collusion of the offending nuke industry & TPTB's complicity via allowing the poisoner's for profit to remain above the law and still open for business as usual prevents EITHER Soc or Syke's options from being likely to succeed in the timely manner that's necessary to effect the changes that need[ed] to be implemented now(or pre-311) but ASAP considering the impacts are a helluva lot more harmful for EVERYONE than falling off a Honda ATC(which can be "fixed" by an aftermarket quad conversion kit,unlike a belly-up,NPP!) And we just don't have the time to wait for the changes that even a battalion of lawyers might accomplish in a long,drawn-out legal battle with the most powerful enemies & backing EVER to be up against(?)! My spouse wasn't at sea aboard the USS Reagan but her sealed portion of her medical file indicates her cancer is thought to be associated with "environmental pollutant(s)" & yet not a single lawyer has offered or willing to file a suit on our behalf?!! The same powerful reasons apply to those who it's alleged advise violent resistance against nuke-puke PTB which I'd be lying if I said hadn't crossed my mind while I'd held there was still hope that anything good could come from it.Not at this point since without a MAJORITY willing to put their asses on the line-NEITHER approach seems likely to net an acceptable END before we'd meet OURS!Chill & have a…

              • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                nice weekend!(I hope??!!) PEACE

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                If you believe, what he wants you to believe, then you've been fooled. You'd have to read all my posts for yourself to know the truth. The only position I've espoused is self-defense. If that makes me a bully, then I'm a bully. I will always defend myself as I would anyone else – and have here btw. Today, this is a negative. Hence, the reason for the mess we're in. Peace out.

                • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                  I'm not knocking you SykeWar and I never would. As a matter of fact I'm glad you responded to my call for peace at all since my obvious "hints" directed to ANYONE who'd imply that there's a legal remedy or even a chance in hell of winning IF there was a chance of it even making the court docket at all might possibly be able to use something found in my very personal example who's very sick today and going to be very dead long before the 10 years before even being considered,even IF at all since statute of limitations,etc. are used in defense. In other words,"hell no,we don't have a chance in this world of ever seeing "justice"! But speaking of "defense",why bother? You're fighting with a dude behind a computer,lol!! I follow what you gave to say & links you contribute and I appreciate it and thank you for having enough respect for me to reply. I'm going through a bunch of BS lately even before the headline(s) today removed any hopes I may have had that my girl will recover from her cancer or that someone will find "justice" for us when she's gone regardless of the speed in which this ELE takes her,me & everyone OUT! My early ramblings here before I was deeply humbled & saw my world crushed better displayed where my mindset was before cancers FUKuD everything up & how & when she dies might bring it all back when I have nothing LEFT(to stop me)??! But for now I just want peace & focus. I hope you let it go and have a decent day,what's left of it anyway…

      • Kashiko Kashiko

        Spot on Socrates. A perfect analysis of Japanese Legal/business culture

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Yes, litigation is the answer. Sue them soon…go to the Hague…while people still have enough intelligence to carry through.

        With the obscene nuclear/banking/arms profits, these unscrupulous folk (sorry if that sounds harsh) can buy up large tracts of uninhabitable land, complete with its thriving wildlife of short lived mutants. Land that should be available to the next seven generations, where the public can hunt for dog, horse and rodent. And if thats not enough motivation to sue 'em, I think theres probably a tidy little profit in it for the right lawyers.

        So…lets march…to the Hague, and dont forget the manslaughter trial for Obama, Bush, the Queen (Her nuclear/oil/real estate majesty) and all the others in state funded golden retirement. Do it

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          "tidy little profit in it for the right lawyers" And, evidence is suppressed so you have a viable case. Can't have the facts getting out and messing up your payday. You folks do realize this right?

          • Socrates

            Go exercise your Second Amendment right and put yourself out of the misery you're obviously in.

            You hate lawyers, I'll bet, because of a bad experience. Court martial, domestic violence, assault and battery….

            Many plaintiffs get good settlements…. their lawyers work hard. It is their constitutional right. The jury system works. You need professional help with you anger. I have degrees in law and psychology. Yet, you want to advise people of tbeir consumer rights? You? Get a life! You are a bully. I ha e several belts from the man who taught Bruce Lee, but I fight with words and deeds. You are all talk.

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              My my, touched a nerve did I? Your tone and phraseology are similar to socref's/ExpertNuc. Interesting.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Syko, your insistence to name people who have been anti-Nuke for three years on this site "socref's/ExpertNuc" is misplaced and emotional name calling. Only a pro-Nuker would call a completely anti-Nuke supporter "socref's/ExpertNuc." You must be talking about yourself. Your new persona.

                socref's/ExpertNuc, Syko, your pro violence, anti- anti-Nuke ad hominem attacks are not welcome and violate the guidelines of this website.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  I don't understand your non-stop insistence to label me as something I'm not. Syko? What's with the name calling Anne? Sounds emotional to me. If you really read anything I've posted, you would see I only equated his derogatory remarks, refusal to answer my reasonable and sincere questions and so forth, as rather socref-ish. I've never attacked him personally, unlike him. If I'm attacked, I will defend myself as I have others. If you find that pro-violent, that's your opinion. Show me Anne, any post where I could be considered ProNuke; just one. I can show you countless others that show I'm not. I don't do ad hominem attacks – you are wrong. Have me banned Anne, I grow weary of your games.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  Oh, and I changed my avatar as it seemed it was scaring some people.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  With no evidence you accuse me of being pro-violent, didn't you anne?

                  socrates said to me, "exercise your Second Amendment right and put yourself out of the misery"

                  Anne is this the socrates you're defending anne? Telling someone to go shoot themselves is pretty violent anne. What a HORRIBLE thing to say to someone – and you defend them and call me violent? I NEVER and would NEVER tell someone on this forum or any forum to go kill themselves – ever. Who's the psycho again?

                • julio

                  Gee. I hope Syke doesn't take a hike. He and the frog (unincredulous) rock.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  VanneV are you supposed to be the other anne? Your avatars are the same. What's going on here?

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              "I'll bet, because of a bad experience. Court martial, domestic violence, assault and battery…." Ah, more trolling. I notice you continually try to get me to reveal myself. Interesting you bait with criminal records information. Ah, but then the gov't would have access to this information wouldn't it? I've read about your great many accomplishments, your worldly family background, your degrees, your medical profession, your legal profession… busy guy. Sorry for the bully talk – my bad.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Did you know that inciting others to commit acts of violence in the US is a criminal act?

                Who's to say you even live in the US or even care about laws in the US?

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  What the hell are you referring to VanneV?

                  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                    Another hit and run attack at 11:22. I replied, with a demand for redress, to your innuendo, your typical attempt to implicate me with no proof (except maybe a link that goes back to no proof) at 11:30. Then I watched you make several other posts afterwards in the Latest Comments section till my response scrolled off the bottom quite some time later. I just noticed you replied up above at 12:33, again falsely accusing me of attacking you, but no reply here. So, here we are, about 12:50 and no reply to my request. Surprise surprise. When I make ACCUSATIONS against people, I FACE them. You represent to me, the reason why we deserve all the hell we are receiving on this earth. But I forgive you. You are what you are. Over and out.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  "Who's to say you even live in the US or even care about laws in the US?"

                  Good try. I'm not telling you where I live or who I am, so stop trying to find out.

                  • combomelt combomelt

                    sykewar – i agree, VanneV is DEFINITELY NOT the anne whose posts I have read and been overwhelmed by for quite some time on this site.
                    no f-ing way is that her you hit it on the head! its a troll. The tone changed at some point in the not too distant past, but I haven't the time or curiosity to really dig. So, I must say, I had started to tune out that avatar when looking thru comments, and I wondered to myself, wow, that sucks becuase i always really liked anne's posts, especiallly when sharing nuke class banter she dealt with. I guess that VV might be a grad of trolling 202: assume a familiar , and pleasing identity in all respects. Then its a bait and switch.

                    That is not anne



                    from me tho…..

                    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                      Thank you. You're obviously observant. I went back a couple months and noticed a difference. The old anne would author quite a bit of original text (looked like to me) and VanneV just links some lame stuff and makes minor anti-nuke rants here and there. I talked with the original anne briefly, cause I'm out of her league, and found her quite amiable; not VanneV. VanneV's stalking me all over the place. Shame, I want the old anne back.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Stop attacking me and stop attacking pacifists.

                      I changed my name on Jan. 29 or Jan. 30. And lots of people know it is me. And I have been here for 3 years.

                      You're attacking me because I'm a pacifist and because I stood up for Sister Megan Rice.

      • J.

        I believe you are quite right. Many legislators and bureaucratic 'regulators' have been bought, co-opted and captured. Legal action — including use of RICO statutes — may be the best hope of putting an end to this horror show.

        I read recently that the only American company that refines uranium is bankrupt.

        I'm not terribly well informed about this whole ugly enterprise, but I suspect there's more than meets the eye in this report, but the upshot is that the company, formerly government regulated, cannot succeed as a private enterprise. I suspect that, as you suggest, this is true of every nuclear power plant operation.

        If they are held financially liable for the harm the cause, in truly capitalistic markets, they will all cease to operate.

    • Shaker1

      Socrates, I might hold that Tepco is intentionally 'on the cross' here in lieu of those others you mention, but surrogates, in particular, for the Japanese government and the obviously impotent society of which the government is representative. Truly, in a society in which this situation plays out, 'Tepco' would have passed from existence within days of the explosion. Tepco is 'on the cross' as sacrifice for the status quo. Would any of the politicians or businesspeople mount that cross? Someone had to, and whatever is Tepco right now fits the bill.

      SykeWar, don't you think you might throw around the 'troll' word a bit too much? Whatever your personal vision of yourself, some of us here don't need your version of a 'white knight'. You elicit what may have been spontaneous comments such as what may have been Socrates' reply concerning the nature of your questioning his honesty and dedication. You, too, have been guilty of the same. Does what you feel is your honesty and dedication automatically imbide your with some forgiveness for what can sometimes be seen as rash and purposely offensive words? Might you question your motives while being so harsh with those of others whose perceived methods differ from your own?

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        I use terms to describe what I perceive. I call someone who's trolling a troll. See

        If protecting oneself is seen as more than it is, I can't help that. I've learned pacifists see self-defenders as pro-violent and evidently the source of all the world's ills. I refuse to kneel and this angers them – tolerate it. I'm not a white knight nor do I want to be one. Are we clear here?

        Questioning his honesty and dedication? I question his blanket statements which contradict current reasoning or facts. I'm really sorry, if he's been here so long that everything should be taken on faith without question, I can't do it. I can't believe you've read my posts from the beginning showing this, have you?

        You speak of my motives. Can you clearly articulate what my motives are since you are using them against me? Anne's got me pegged as a baby eating, kitten microwaving, pro-nuking bully big meany head because I opined about sister Rice. I'm wrong – she's right. I'll self-censor from now on.

        I'm sorry some folks here are so thin skinned that you must be treated with kid gloves. I've noted who you are and will refrain from ever replying to your posts or use your names. Wish you to do the same for me please.

        • Shaker1

          SykeWar, speaking of thin-skinned…Stood in front a light lately and looked in the mirror?

          Just what were you 'protecting yourself' from in your original comment calling Socrates a troll? Just what personal, or group threat do you see in his statements? Is he laying down and saying, 'oh, it's all OK'? His methods of retribution might be different than yours, but they are that just the same. And I don't in any form think that you should "refuse to kneel". What 'them' are you referring to anyway? And your use of the word pacifist is truly undiscerning. Did that nun you call a pacifist 'lay down' any more than you are? Did Gandhi? Did MLK? Or even, little mentioned, but a truly valient man, Dick Gregory?

          I disagree with Socrates at times. I did in my comment above, if you caught the gist of it. I'm not even saying you're wrong, though I disagree with what I see at times. No one expects you to take everything on faith without question. I certainly don't. Am I telling you to 'lay down'? No. What you're speaking of here is his opinion, not some facts like socref. While you were right protesting Socrates' personal characterization, surely, the 'motives' that I questioned are in yourself, your dissing someone who simply disagrees with you. Both acting rashly. Seems to me, at the same time, you're doing the same here, protesting that I don't read your posts (which I do) and you'll 'note who I am'? Whose methods are those? 'Them'? C'mon…

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Shaker1, you are very wise.. 🙂

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            "Stood in front a light lately and looked in the mirror?" Wow really? Already with the attacks. Again, you people seem to have a problem with somebody standing up for themselves. Nope, not thin skinned. Just righting some wrongs. You said, "…comment calling Socrates a troll"
            Socrates said about me, "I'll bet, because of a bad experience. Court martial, domestic violence, assault and battery…." He's accusing me of crimes, that's not trolling for a response?! Hey Shaker1, assuming you're a guy, how often do you beat your wife pal? Beat your kids often do ya? This is only one example. Then he tells me I should kill myself. I don't dis. anybody. Why don't you ask your buddy why he doesn't answer my questions?

            Socrates said, "We must redouble our efforts to hold businessmen liable for damages to us and the commons of this planet."

            Me, doubting Socrates sanity asks, "Can you show cases where civil cases have been settled successfully and to the, and here's the important part, to the satisfaction of the plaintiffs?"

            Socrates then says, "There is a very good article about why the Obama administration does not act to inform the American public. Who is Jeffery Imeldt? Former CEO of GE who is now in the administration. Jobs and economic adviser…."


            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Me now really doubting Socrates sanity asks, "Unless what you're saying is, even though gov't and big business are one, you can still prosecute? And sue for damages? Really? Please tell me your strategy on achieving all this."

              And he gave NO answers but instead get berated, denigrated, demeaned, slandered.

              But I got an answer didn't I? That's all I care about.

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Clarification in case it's needed: I asked, "Show me cases of "businessmen liable for damages to us and the commons of this planet" (assuming the current crisis) having been settled to plaintiffs satisfaction.

  • ftlt

    Chas: I do think Arnie, for his own personal and his families protection, must stop short. It is not out of the realm of possibility, that he and his family members could be rubbed out.

    Hardball is being played at his level of media exposure and given his level of threat to the industry.

    Look at Wellstone, King, King (in Britain Iraq War) and Kennedys. Political and business assassinations are not as uncommon as we think.

    It is easy to sit on here in the rear and be radical. Arnie is on the front lines of the fight like few are.

    He is a potential target – we are not.

    • wa6smn wa6smn

      Check out the number of high level bankers that have been killed over the last two weeks. Something over 20. Higher up are ensuring that dead men tell no tales. Anyone who believes they are suicides is just plain gullible.

      • atomicistheword

        Suicide is when they jump out of windows on Wall Street, or at least it was the last time.

        Probably the light bringers?

        • GQR2

          yep- your avitar is great Atomic is the word
          Only these? would engineer to give bee's a parasitic virus.
          Our pollinators. 5 yrs was all we had once they go extinct.
          Their life support has run out too.

          Bankers jumping out of windows.

      • rockyourworld

        just like madoff's son who was about to sing like a canary to prosecutors!

    • name999 name999

      ftlt, yes, well said. We all expect our leaders to do and say it all.
      Posting here is not as courageous but we do make a difference in keeping information flowing to the public.

    • J.

      On a more mundane level, Gunderson is subject to libel and slander litigation and other forms of civil legal action. He is also involved in legal actions against US NPPs. He has to be very circumspect in all his public statements. I have nothing but respect for him.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Why are other countries not stepping in?

    Why is the U.S. not involved?

    Something isn't right.

    • charlie3

      There is nothing that they can do to end this nightmare, so they are doing nothing.

      • muffin

        90% of all life that ever lived on earth is extinct. We are about to finish the job; in record time! Going for "GOLD" sort of speak!

    • FallOut FallOut

      Maybe if the big money on Wall Street knew all that money was toilet paper long term because we are all breathing this in, their kids were TOAST !!!! Something might get done.

      Find out if R. Dalio has a kid, does he care ???

      Flight CALI – HAWII ( cpm on the runway 30 / cpm in the AIR 1,020 ) – PROOF – tweet this ?

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Psychopaths have no empathy for anyone, including their families. They don't care if their kids die a horrible death, as long as they get what they want.

        This characteristic makes them valuable to companies looking for profit, and therefore they tend to stuff upper management with people just like them.

        And, of course, we elect them to office, too . . .

    • Socrates

      There is a very good article about why the Obama administration does not act to inform the American public. Who is Jeffery Imeldt? Former CEO of GE who is now in the administration. Jobs and economic adviser….

      Following Goldman Sachs, nuclear campaign contributions from the nuclear companies were second. David Axlerod – Obama's campaign manager in two elections works for a large nuclear energy company.

      Obama's energy an is to subsidize nuclear energy to increase the domestic use to 20%. Yet, Tepco will be involved Gulf of Mexico nuclear power plants. Try

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        Connecting the dots… good for you! So when do you think the prosecutors are going to start prosecuting these bastards and throwing them in jail? Just curious. Oh that reminds me… You're a smart person, do you remember the news about a senate committee preparing to discuss the potential illegality of the 14th Amendment concerning income tax not being ratified? Do you remember when that was specifically?

        • FallOut FallOut

          The pacific will be done, very, very, soon. It just does not matter if those court hearings take place.

          After that happens, get out the popcorn for the finger pointing contest as the ELE event is more evident. People will learn this lesson soon don't worry.

      • califnative califnative (NY)

        Socrates – that is a good website, thanks for sharing. I just posted this a moment ago in another forum: DOE to approve $6.5 billion for new nuclear plants

      • We Not They Finally

        Socrates, yeah, Obama turned out to be "a piece o' work." We are SO distressed that from here on in, we may be left with NO ONE to vote for. Clinton shoved the left into the middle, then Obama did his "no red America, no blue America" crap to leave the terrain wide open for the likes of the Jeffrey Immelts of the world. Obviously flaming purple lit up with a hypocritical smile will actually help NO ONE. Everything that glows isn't a beacon. Our food is going to be glowing in the dark, and this administration doesn't do a thing — to the contrary.

        • chevvvy chev

          I am not american, but here in NZ , when obama got elected we were layin bets on how long he would be there, wheres the KKK when you need em!!!,
          seems like none of these criminal cartels are going to play strait, and we the pawns are ignored, its time to throw handcuffs
          on the 1%, and take them out of the equation, so the rest of us can try to do something about this,
          The nuc industry must pay for this. the 99% are hard to rouse, but unstoppable when we do,they(the 1%) forget we have assasins with grievences, and when its all over and there is only one thing left to do. IT WILL BE DONE,

          peace newsers…..

          • zogerke zogerke

            For anyone else reading this who cares, the kkk is an extraordinarily racist, zenophobic, corrupt and horrible organization in the states. I know people of all colors and ethnicities. who have had family members killed by people belonging to kkk or who have been terrorized by crosses burnt in their front yard or bricks thrown in their living rooms wrapped with hate mail, thanks to the kkk. They are not good enough to be called dirt or excrement. We all have the right to express our opinions. This is mine. I dont appreciate reading about them as if they would be a useful force, in ANY circumstances.

          • Sparky Sparky

            chev, ugghhh! That's a really repulsive comment re: O. and the KKK. 🙁

        • combomelt combomelt


          "a single green light, minute and faraway, that might have been the end of a dock."

          F.Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby, CH1

          a beacon, not radioactive waste.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    What is being done, is all that can be done, and that is the/a very real problem with using this Nuclear Technology…

    We are all being asked to sacrifice our bodies and souls for what some people call progress.. 🙁

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      "The site is going to bleed into the ocean for a hundred years."

      No, it will bleed into the ocean for a billion years, at least.

      "The isotopes that are in this tank is something called strontium 90, and it is a bone seeker that causes leukemia. And it stays in the environment for 300 years."

      Why skip the enriched uranium and plutonium in the tanks, that will 'stay in the environment' for at least a billion years?

      Arnie should retire, and spend what's left of his time with his family. He fought the good fight, but it's time. Going forward will only be a group awareness of our impending extinction, and the feeble attempts of our leaders to cover up what they've done.

      • combomelt combomelt

        I think Arnie chooses his words very carefully.
        This time he spoke about Strontium90.
        Arnie knows as well as we all do that most of the public out there have the focus and concentration skills of a meth or heroin addict.
        Therefore, I believe he chose wisely to mention a different radioactive isotope this time instead of the "usual suspects" – plutonium and uranium.
        PU and UR are mentioned ad nauseum. Yes WE know they are there as well, but to the uninitiated folk, after awhile, naming the SAME lethal transuranics all the time gets to be too much harping for the sheeple. Plus, simply try telling most folks that there are lethal substances coming out of Fukushima that will still be lethal in 1/2 a million years. You've seen it, glazed eyes as they try to contemplate what they consider an 'eternity'.
        time frame=TOO LONG TO GRASP!!! AND, SAD BUT TRUE, To all our detriment, the names of Plutonium and Uranium no longer instill horror in people and all the sheeple hear is a charlie brown cartoon adult voice, waw, waw, waw…..cont…….

        • combomelt combomelt

          Cont…The nuke-pukes&media have won for the time-being in their ongoing brainwashing efforts to desensitize everyone to the dangers of plutonium and uranium in their "safe" nuclear reactors. green, green, green.!

          and btw, thanks for funding more nuclear plants Obamao!

          So, I say to Arnie……KEEP going! i WANT YOU TO MAKE EVEN MORE videos AND make each video specific to the many many radioactive elements that float magically around us(ty ge et al) at this very moment. by the end, there will be close to some 2 thousand videos, one on each daughter product
          Once again, I respect what you are doing Arnie, please keep enlightening everyone.
          one yuman at a time…..ty

  • nedlifromvermont

    Onward 'newsers!! We have them on the run!!

    peace to the team!!

  • or-well

    The failure at Fukushima
    is a nightmare for nuclear schemers,
    for nuclear bomb warmongers,
    and nuclear power liars;
    all the nuclear betrayers,
    the human genome destoyers,
    the planetwide ecociders
    who should be executed for murder.

  • SadieDog

    Japan's plutonium problem -

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure they the Nuke Pukes are very well protected by what we commoners call the rule of their laws… 🙁 Bow to your new masters and the destroyer of worlds… 🙁

    • Socrates


      Greenpeace published a position paper on international legal liability for damages caused by nuclear power plant operators and suppliers. There are international treaties and conventions. A chart is provided with a huge list of countries that signed and those that did not. The US and Japan did not sign two important ones…

      The Anderson Price Act of 1957 and updates controls liability for operators within the US.

      Federal Courts are courts of limited Jurisdiction under Article Two of the US constitution. Those are cases and controversies that Congress has granted to the federal district court by legislation.

      Just sayin'…. Like you would not want to give an opinion that Kryptonite was leaking from Fuku, especially when speaking to a nuclear engineer, we all need to understand if there is any legal remedy. Some say we are all going to die anyway so why bother? We still need justice. Some say they are leading a revolution. Yet, I see them blogging and have to scoff at the idea that they will take on the nuclear weapons industry by force. The legal route should be pursued. Proving causation will be easier in ten years but the statute of limitations and jurisdictional issues will be defenses. Plus, a law or treaty can be passed as in the Bhopal case between Japan and the US…

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Yes, the legal route should be pursued. But will any law firm have what it takes to ignore the threats against them and their families?

        We're talking about the most evil people on the face of this earth. The death of billions means nothing to them. Certainly not a few lawyer's families.

        Even Stephen King couldn't write a book this horrible.

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        "Proving causation will be easier in ten years" How do you know? Please explain. And I have other questions for you above.

        • GQR2

          Did you take your question vitimins this morning SykeWar ?

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Why so mean? Can't someone ask questions? Did you take your mean pills this morning?

            • GQR2

              Seemed to me you were dogging Soc. Like you took your vitimins. that's all. you're tough enough 🙂

              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                Well… when someone starts whispering sweet nothings into my ear I get ticklish. Sorry. And the only time I might dog someone is when I have questions/concerns they raised and don't answer. Didn't notice that? No answer is an answer. This post may corner him to finally answer but that doesn't count – too late. It may be a tacit "fuck off" but I thought we were best buds. Careful you don't follow the wrong gods home. Nothing is what it seems. Tough? Times are tough.

      • atomicistheword

        The pursuit of Justice for true and transparent democracy is an ideal for a social structure that is not so corrupt that the scales have an atomic bomb, GMO murder, viral warfare, on one side; 99% of humanity on the other and the mediator with a gun to her head, eyes blinded with duct tape.

        Gandhi knew of divine potential and united resistance to empire control. He knew that by resistance and the underlining threat of complete social disintegration the oppressor can be defeated. They were.

        Earth does not need us, but we need earth to survive. The enemy of humanity has
        forgotten that without environment there is no money in it!

        What happens when law fails in its duty of care in a lawless world balanced in the favour of the criminals of humanity?

        • atomicistheword

          PS. If you want to close atomic power simply reduce your consumption of power as much as possible making the production of the power more expensive to the producer. They will get the message. They will raise prices making you reduce your consumption even more. If you cannot afford it you cannot use it. They know this. Underlings have forgotten their power. This can be extended throughout the Roman empire that never died. Too dear = no pay. Alternatives are available. A further extension, not purchasing products from sympathisers of atomic radiation power production.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        All legal remedies should move forward at break neck speed on an international level. 🙂

        Man is at a cross roads and either he will get it or he and his species will soon be gone along with all the other biological life/baggage that he unknowingly drags along with him down this ever growing deeper rabbit hole he created and dug all by himself. 🙁

        Not real impressed with green peace..sorry.

    • That would be really funny, if it wasnt so true….ouch

    • name999 name999

      obewan, this is a very important point that often gets missed here. What most don't realize is that what we believe is the rule of law for US is completely undermined by protections afforded US military and NSA.
      These components of clandestine governance were put in place in the 1940,s, and have been strengthened exponentially during the Reagan and Bush regimes. This is the saddest piece of this puzzle, there is no one who can stop this madness.

  • The economic hitman is swinging back against clean energy.

    Northeast Utilities prefers to crush solar and instead build a 1.5B transmission line so they can increase their profits by 50% through legislated profits on the construction of the transmission line.

    It should be noted that utilities average around a 30% delivery of electricity compared to the energy in the original fuel source. There are losses throughout the system. Only 30% gets delivered.

    If you have solar on your house, you produce and consume within the space of 80 feet of wire, on average. The losses are negligible, you have an effective delivery efficiency of 96% to 97%. But the big utilities can't make money on your solar, and the government can't tax your solar. Got it?

    Link here for the article on Northeast Utilities by Cleantechnica

    • name999 name999

      sstock, I also realized the other day in reviewing info on geoengineering that some of the materials aerosolized into the atmosphere interfere with solar energy collection…what a double whammy at undermining safe energy…sickening…

    • J.

      Someone in this forum posted an excellent link to the solar project promoted by Tesla corporation. I think the situation is going to change when ordinary consumers can vote with their wallets. The big corporations that have done so much harm will not be able to suppress advances from a rich, powerful corporation that aims to do good and change the existing paradigm. Along with legislation targeting deadly NPP companies, advances by companies like Tesla can bring about beneficial change.

  • weeman

    We have them by the balls, unfortunately they have us in their sights, gun sights?
    Little do they know I removed the firing pin, I am not your enemy, I am the conscience of the nation and I ( we ) am the light, follow the light and you will find a better world.

  • Ontological Ontological

    Why 100 years Arnie, that is as lame as "Cover it with cement and walk away from it for 100 years. Gawd old man you fried your fucking brain over there at FUKU FU! At the rate they are doing absolutely NOTHING, 100,000 years is more like it. Hell how about 100,000,000 years. NO ONE can do anything about this when NO ONE wants to, and any that do, will not be allowed. Take your nuke puke boys pay off do down play this mess and MOVE to the S Hemi, so we can all DIE in peace up here! You can negatively influence people in all the wrong ways from anywhere on the web don't cha know?
    Dump the God Damn idiotic storage tanks already they will wind up in the frigging ocean ANYWAYS.
    Hell I even shut 7.5 watt light sources OFF behind me. THAT IS ALL WE EVER HAD DO IN THE FIRST PLACE! Keep watching your idiot box boob tube.

  • babbo dorian babbo dorian

    I learned several things about radiation listening to "good" arnie but…..
    He is the bullshiter spoke man of nuclear criminales…. período.

    • Ontological Ontological

      He does NOT know it, but I am VERY well affiliated with this idiot. He single handedly screwed New England with his false hope, and promises. He almost single handedly ruined MANY strong new small businesses over Sea Brook, and Vermont Yankee. They called him affectionately on Church Street, Arnie Funderson. Me n' Zeno Spook used to joke he would have to be buried in a coffin specially designed for the ever held out hand.
      I fought this nuclear shit tooth and nail, hell I even fought for DARK SKIES that bastard ruined by influencing the votes to make more lighting available in places they after his influence was on to better things like "good things to life", painted the back ally WHITE to prevent rape. The night sky was NEVER the same. I move out west for my beloved stars. So the lights are there forever and so are the WHITE alleyways they could have painted in the FIRST place! People are idiots when they think they have a money scam made.

      • FallOut FallOut

        Maybe he repented. At least he geys the word out now, nobody is perfect. He was blinded by the $$$

        It happens in life.

        • Ontological Ontological


          • Ontological Ontological

            I need to add a point to clarify where Vermont Yankee ('sister' Mark One in design to FUKU R3) where generating power is concerned. It was not long after, they finished the nuke plant. A fairly powerful hydroelectric dam was constructed to solve the energy needs of an area 50 miles from the new 'power' nuke.
            Plutonium is all they want. Cask storage for potential future Pu production is not an economically viable answer, where Plutonium manufacture should have been done, is somewhere OFF the planet. I would have come at much less expense than the cost now. To pretend Pu production is a safe way to provide clean power is brain dead. Only huge disappointment in so many people I used to look up to as a hero is all I can feel now. Disillusioned by the greed of people who were just looking to profit from the problem on both sides, we now will suffer huge penance. Education is good, but ONLY when it is used to PREVENT this kind of madness by teaching REAL science; not PROMOTING it with fabricated pseudo-science!
            Delirious from the pain of skull cancer treatments, I am just another of the millions worldwide they are profiting on who was affected by the resulting horror that has been inflicted on us all with a false promise of a brighter tomorrow. I feel the anguish Mother Earth is suffering, and the rage as propaganda lies become corporate protection laws, that so many have for those who cheat others to cover the MASS suffering on so many levels of life here on Earth

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    It is unlikely that anyone will discover a way to safely dispose of nuclear waste in the foreseeable future. Thus, more nuclear power equals more serious trouble for the planet. Or, the cost of dealing with nuclear waste from nuclear reactors is infinite! Hence, it is the most wildly, ridiculous source of power ever conceived. Draft horses would be infinitely superior; and horses would enhance our humanity a great deal. Horses are easy to love and very kindly and intelligent animals. You can place a child on the back of a big horse but you can not wisely take a child anywhere near a nuclear power plant. We need to remember not only horses but also humans. Otherwise, the jig is up for this world.

  • sworldpeas

    So… if we convert 520,000 tonnes of water into liters, using the weight of water @ 1000 kg/m3 we have 520,000,000 million liters.

    520,000,000 x 240,000,000 = 124,800,000,000,000,000 becquerels of KISS YOUR ASS GOOD BYE. It could be higher it could be lower… it's a very rough estimate. Considering it's information supplied by complete LIARS aka Tepco we could and should multiply by the total by any number you chose for a more accurate measure.

    How often does a Tsunami hit this region? every 100 years or so?

    • FallOut FallOut

      Thanks I was waiting for the hard data.

      It will be good to link up with the I.A.E.A .pdf telling them to dump everything.

      Maybe the IDIOT's from the IAEA or the Physics Forum can clean up this shit first before planning ANYTHING ELSE moving forward. Clean this shit up NOW …..

  • Socrates

    Arnie's fireside chats are a means of providing an education to the general public. He has provided forensic evidence and pointed the finger at GE. He has countered much Tepco propaganda. He said that a moderated prompt criticality happened at unit 3. He states that Tepco should be removed. Maybe some commenters here should place their own necks on the chopping block like Arnie and Maggie have. They have assisted in shutting down many reactors at this point. Arnie says that nuclear energy cannot be both cheap and safe.

    He has not said that we will all die. He relies on Steven Wing, and epidemiologist for that analysis. He relies on others who are specialists.

    Pearls before swine is an expression that comes to mind. If it is of comfort, I will predict that we will all die sooner than we would have and that the economy would be hurt. We are all doomed! Lord Maynard Keynes said that, "In the end, we will all die." He was an economistm

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Yes, we will all die, the cycle of life and death.

      However, we are now dealing with the extinction of all life – forever – thanks to the greed of man and nuclear power. The cycle of life and death has been broken.


    • Socrates

      Ops! – "economist…."

      So let's get off poor ole' Arnie's case and start building a case against those responsible. Call you lawyer and your congressperson. Demand justice. Demand congressional investigations. Write letters. Blogging is a form of impotency. Get active. Attend meetings. Organize. Write books.

      Follow the money and the political influence that allows these repeated disasters. Become educated. Lobby. Grassroots, netroots, promote green candidates. Be pro-active. Educate. Protest. Find ways to prosecute. These all make nuclear less attractive to investors. Sue the bastards. Vet candidates….contribute money…. or sit at your computer and play, "Ain't it awful. …" that way you can use energy and bitch about it. Go to public utility meetings where they stick kt to ratepayers. Have your urine tested for radionuclides. Preserve biopsies of children's thyroid cancers for genetic markers, save your lung tissue biopsies. Ask your city council to pass resolutions. Write to the NRC and the UN.

      These are a few of the things that I do…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Write the UN. YES! "please help us bring the evil perpetrators down, or at least invade Japan and integrate it into a one world government" Tell the UN that if they work intelligently, benefits of intervention can be multiplied…leveraged, profitable. Push the UN for those cancer treatment business protocols they are working on with the WHO. Donate, wear a ribbon, write your officials

        Through agreements and working relationships with partner organizations in the UN system, the reach of IAEA services is extended and benefits can be multiplied.

        The IAEA partners with more than two dozen organizations. Amongst them is the partnership set up in 1964 between the IAEA and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO). Together they govern the Joint FAO/IAEA Division of Nuclear Techniques in Food and Agriculture.

        The Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics operates under the joint aegis of UNESCO and the IAEA, and the World Health Organization (WHO) has joined forces with the IAEA to advance cancer control and treatment. Joint programming initiatives in the area of cleaner production and the green economy are currently being explored with UNIDO.

        The IAEA’s Director General is a member of the United Nations Chief Executive Board and regularly participates in the meetings chaired by the Secretary General of the United Nations.

  • So I got an email from the Lab manager at that underground nuke plant that had something "pop off". Attached is the email. He confirms readings and isotopes, and states "We didn't have time to calculate the Bq/Meter Cubed"

    I was thankful for the reply, but it was still weak.

    But consider the Americium at .6 Bq/sample (per second) results in a CPM of around 36 CPM for this Heavy Metal ONLY. Most places I air test are less than 36 total from all sourced including radon.

  • SadieDog

    NRC request doc – show this to Fukushima deniers,

  • NRC is back slapping happy with the way they handled Fukushima…and they want your comments.

    I commented on spent fuel handling….Many US citizens will join in this praise when the NRC gets on the program of removing the most dangerous material on earth, from on top of the most dangerous machine on earth, and not letting it sit there for decades on end.
    I speak of the spent fuel being stored at the reactors “for convenience”. Everything over 5 years should be dry casked immediately for mutliple benefits, including national and local security, and the economic shot in the arm of doing so. Also as plants close down, this will be the perfect transitional job for those losing jobs at the plants.
    We all live on borrowed time until we address the spent fuel, and waiting on the dreamland of the safe single repository is a weak excuse for doing nothing. Get on it, and God speed to ye.

  • invisible ELEphant in the room

    Fukushima & Nihilism

  • Questionit

    Lets look at what Arnie has done again.
    He says it's all TEPCO's fault, they are the perpetrator.

    No mention about GE's original fault not only in the design and placement or the reactors but also in operations consultant and modifications made including those for MOX fuel. Or that GE was there doing things at the time of the event. Or the GE designed plants in the US.

    He (again) calls for international engineering firms to be hired. You know, such as GE and the other connected nuc consultants. He does not and has not in the past to my knowledge call for independent observers to verify readings or conditions.
    In the past he has called for the US to supply funds with an initial budget of $500 billion, with the purpose to bury it and walk away for 100 yrs.

    He says the contamination will begin leaking into the ocean. He doesn't talk about the coriums being (or even say they are likely or even possibly) in the ground below the basement. He does not talk of the radiated soup starting to hit the west coast, the dead starfish, dead sardines, herring and others with bleeding gills, increased thyroid cancers in children on the west coast (Wash. or Oregon?).

    As far as international firms or oversight, if the Russians are not involved do not trust it. At this point they and a couple others are the only govts giving us some truth.

    • nedlifromvermont

      @Questionit: I am in total agreement with your line of logic. I agree with the comments on Arnie, the finger pointing at General Electric Company and the portrait presented of the Russians. Now, if Vladimir Putin would begin to get it right on nuclear/atomic power … he could rise to the level of a great man. George Bush and Barack Obummer will never be great men, bending over for the nuclear bully ….

    • SadieDog

      "One of the most stunning parts of this trip was that — upon seeing these blue bags piled high and wide — I realized that no country would do better than Japan. And, in fact, many might perform worse. No nation is equipped to handle the human displacement, anxiety, and waste-disposal crisis Japan now faces. 
      Where in the United States of America would a power company or government authority safely bury 250,000 tons of radioactive soil, millions of gallons of high-radiation water, and the detritus of abandoned homes and farms across thousands of acres of land? How would the U.S. government alert families … hunkered down after an earthquake and tsunami without electricity or any connection to the outside world? How would it compassionately relocate 160,000 people and help them rebuild their lives?"

      • atomicistheword


        "Where in the United States of America would a power company or government authority safely bury 250,000 tons of radioactive soil.."

        Under parks, sports arenas and school playgrounds?

        An alternative would be to create a war against something that never exited, shove it into bullets and fire it into Arabia. But that would be insanity.

  • Nick

    Fukushima at 3 years is going to go viral.

    No way will TPTB be able to contain this beast.

    The sleeping masses will awake from their slumber and it will not be pretty.

    That is what HAS to happen on 3/11/14.

    Viralocity here we come.

    Global unrest. Coming to a planet near you.

    The stench of death will be palpable across the internet.

    That is our future.

  • Nick

    If you haven't figured it out already, nothing will ever be the same going forward.

    Love now while you can. Cherish the past. The future is history.

    Things will snowball.

    This I know.

  • razzz razzz

    Has TEPCO figured out a way to deal with earthquakes yet? So far the tanks have just been sitting on some wet soil. The melted cores are lost, not much can be done about that.

  • Nick

    Them tanks are the least of our worries, they were always meant as temporary measures….knowing full well that the site would go FUBAR Cubed in the near future.

    It's already FUBAR squared.

  • shamwow shamwow

    I guess the other shoe officially drops when they finally abandon the site altogether.

  • nuknomore nuknomore

    All these years so many knew this would never end well..
    So many argued and called those of us who didn't want nuclear. "Stupid, ignorant and fear mongers".Ridiculed us for being hypocrites as we benefited by using electricity too.
    Called us "lier's" when we said we would willingly give much of it up, to end this insanity.
    WE opened Pandora'a box. And no one knows how to shut it.. And we knew , no one could.
    And they did it anyway..
    We are all to blame. in some way or another..WE lived cringing at the thought, but not able to stop it.
    When i hear that this will go on and on and on..
    I know future life is altered and how that is going to turn out. Is anyones guess.
    But the guess is always on the side of , its going to be bad.. Very bad.
    How do you destroy every wonderful thing on this planet?

    • "How do you destroy every wonderful thing on the planet?"

      You worship death on the .gov tax payer dime

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @nuknomore; You are so right especially about it "ending badly",but everything else you've said too… I used to have nightmares during the Cold War with visions of ICBM's launching from hidden silo's & subs & woke in a sweat either just before the MIRV's impacted or afterwards which the visions of the further military targets & industrial parks with important DOD plants and downtown Chicago skyline backed by fireball's & mushroom clouds then followed with a blast of superheated air driven by shock waves but somehow still seeing the burnt remains of my homeland even after being vaporized myself along with everything & everyone I ever knew or loved. Then came Chernobyl,followed by Glasnost and a sense of complacency & prosperity that even allowed me to foolishly pursue a future that included siring children "intentionally" and with the same hope,dreams & things I'd hoped to see them realize even if I never achieved my own. I trusted my govt.,and that TPTB would have similar values & morals & would NEVER allow us to go back to that dark place & nightmares I'd shed so long ago if not for their alleged "intelligence & order" then for their own individual dreams,plans for their children's futures. I even thought they surely must have safeguard's & technology to prevent or "neutralize" anything that resulted from an "unthinkable mishap" should one occur and I naively ignored the "knot" in my gut & "repulse" I felt every time I saw the unmistakeable profile…

      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        on the horizon that was "supposed" to represent "progress" and American "ingenuity", "GREEN" power resources and I never worried or even knew that a FUKuD-up nuke plant could have GLOBAL implications with no chance of the contaminated land or life it held be wiped out or mutated beyond comprehension. I thought TPTB and their "geniuses" could prevent or fix anything that they'd deploy in every corner of my country & planet! I didn't think about the implications it would have on the people I love so deeply & profoundly or that even if they did get cancer from "supposedly" unknown or varying sources that a single event 6,125 miles away would threaten their recovery & thwart any chance of remaining in remission & that I'd be "relieved" that my 1st & only grandchild wasn't born… I didn't see it coming prior to 311 that I could EVER feel this way or that I'd be wishing to die in my sleep rather than live to see anyone I loved or brought into this world suffer slow,lingering deaths or I'd be the one cleaning up a room used for home hospice for a relative who died this way and never be able to get the smell of death from my nostrils and then have to take care of my wife whose odds of surviving have dropped from 31% to nearly 0% and be faced with losing everything including the roof over my head just in time to "celebrate" the 3rd anniversary of 311 ??!! Yes I am to blame too,but at least I won't be a Comed/Exelon ratepayer anymore & soon I just won't be at…

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade


          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Johnny Blade: 🙁 Have you seen the movie The Deer Hunter with Robert DeNiro and Christopher Walken? If not, please do. I considered what you wrote and it reminded me of the ending of the movie. We are them.

            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              Sure have syke war; I would be the one who played the game and lost in the 1st round….with my 1911A1 🙁

              • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                p.s.,when I see that movie now I somehow wind up thinking about the most off the wall stuff! ie;"wonder what a timed count of a deer harvested in the mountains of(TMI)PA,or anyplace for that matter would disclose nowadays? I was talking to a Ukrainian dude who also lived in Germany for awhile and he told me that families who hunted deer & boar to add to their food stores had to give it up but in Germany they still compensated them for the wild boar that's off the menu since Chernobyl! I can't help but wonder how anyone who was a survivalist or knew their way around the backwoods but didn't have the means to be "prepper's" would get by when the game they counted on being available is either gone or no longer edible? EVERYTHING'S "CHANGED" now and none of it for the better! I guess I could get lucky and happen to catch a glimpse of some formerly "elite" puke sticking his head out of a cozy,fully-stocked bunker like a woodchuck in the sights of the ol' .500 Nitro Express if fate was in my favor??!! 😉 lol…I might be better off buying a lotto ticket tonight though?!! 🙂 TTYL

  • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

    nukenomore said, "We are all to blame. in some way or another." Thank you. Someone else gets it.

  • rogerthat

    The spinoff benefit from going to court is the publicity. Unfortunately it's about the only one, and i reckon tobacco will turn out to have been the last of the biggies. They have since covered all the bases. Political, executive and judicial branches of government all bought and paid for, laws all gutted, waivers and exemptions all in place, rock and roll until we all die

  • ss.minnow

    Hell ain't a bad place to be if you've got a good lawyer.

  • ss.minnow

    I want conjoined lawyers!

  • J.

    For those who want to contribute something meaningful, here's a good starting point:

    This project is one source of information that someday may be used in a global class-action suit against corporations involved in NPPs. This is the origin of the 'baby tooth project.'

    Parents in Japan should be saving the teeth of their precious infants and toddlers. Spread the word. This is forensic evidence. No one will be able to suppress it. Eventually someone will initiate a project like the one above in Japan. There are many courageous, diligent men and women in Japan. Always have been, always will be.

  • rockyourworld

    every man woman and child should have to take home their fair share of nuke waste and have to live with it, forever!

  • rockyourworld

    then the filthy rich would have to keep expanding their mansions, since they're the biggest gluttons and that would create lots of jobs

  • rockyourworld

    it could be calculated easily by ones utility bills from home and business

  • chevvvy chev

    rock sez every man woman and child should have to take home their fair share of nuke waste and have to live with it, forever!

    Why should we? the nukepukes made it, make them clean it up.

  • A transcript of the main presentation.(3 parts)

    Fukushima Dairy FEB24 2104
    Report on Recent Events at

    ie, 100 T Leakage of Highly Contaminated Water, that's,
    24 Trillion Beq of all beta nucleides most of which was absorbed by the ground
    includes Strontium 90 which is known to cause Leukemia
    TEPCO says, it hasn't reached the sea, but that's TEPCO speaking as always [cannot be trusted].
    Ultimately we will know the consequences.
    The Tank is located on the mountain side of the facility 700 meters from the sea side.

    ***"It was not a Leakage but an OverFlow"***
    The contaminated water flowed off the top of the tank.
    The tanks have a lid but there is space for air and an overflow pipe.

    ***"What happened was Not An Accident."***
    This is new information about this event.
    The leakage was discovered just before midnight on FEB19.
    TEPCO was attempting to transfer highly contaminated water to another tank, but, accidently the water went to
    a full tank which resulted in an overflow condition.

    ***"This is Very Strange."***
    At a press conference on FEB24 TEPCO admitted it was caused by the wrong settings of the values.
    A Value that should have been turned OFF was turned ON.
    Another Valve that should not have been turned OFF was turned OFF.

    • So the water was directed th wrong way to cause the overflow.

      ***"Nobody knows why."***
      Nobody knows Who did it.
      Nobody knows who, how or why someone did it.
      But someone had to have done it.

      So as the water proceeded to overflow the tank, the alarm TEPCO installed about 6 mo ago went off.
      So the FUkushima workers went to check the tank and didn't find any problem.
      9 hours later the water started overflowing and a worker found out.
      After that a TEPCO employee went to see the area to see what was going on but when he got there the valve
      settings had been corrected so that,
      The value that was ON had been turned OFF.The Value that was Off had been turned ON.[corrected positions]
      Someone had corrected the value settings before the TEPCO employee came to the tank area.
      At the press conference TEPCO said no one was supposed to be working in that area and no one was supposed
      to touch the value. So they don't know who did it.

      On the 24th TEPCO was busy interrogating the workers to resolve the mystery but no data have emerged to date.
      BUT IN THE PICTURES the tool, the lever, to change the value was still on the value and it shouldn't be left
      in that position as someone walking by could change the direction of the value.

      Considering the great risk the employees of Fukushima would be in resulting from such a serious event it seems
      unlikely that they would do this. But someone did it.
      TEPCO is investigating the problem.

    • TEPCO was supposed to report the ALARM event, just before midnight on FEB19, to the NRA but failed to do so,
      which would have stoppd the overflowing.
      So many mistakes, so may errors involved.
      But the cause of this severe accident is the possibility that someone might have touched the values for some reason.

      End of Fukushima Dairy Transcript fm FEB24 2014