NHK: Large volume of unidentified floating white matter seen in No. 4 reactor and spent fuel pool — Tepco to investigate where it came from (VIDEOS)

Published: March 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm ET
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Title: Camera inserted in Fukushima No.4 reactor
Source: NHK
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012 21:21 (JST)

Debris from a hydrogen explosion and large volume of floating objects were observed inside the Number 4 reactor […]

Wreckage, which included two pieces of long, thin sheets, was seen at the bottom of the reactor and a large number of floating white objects were also observed.

Similar floating matter was also found in the spent fuel pool inside the building, causing the pool’s visibility to fall from 5 meters last month to one meter now. […]

It says removal of the spent fuel from the pool requires a visibility of at least 7 meters and that it will investigate how the floating matter was created.

Read the report here

h/t Fukushima Diary

Published: March 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm ET
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159 comments to NHK: Large volume of unidentified floating white matter seen in No. 4 reactor and spent fuel pool — Tepco to investigate where it came from (VIDEOS)

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    This will never EVER BE OVER!! The Silence of the MSM on these every DAY REPORTS just blows me away!! We are watching a Global WIDE Catastrophe that will end up KILLING US ALL EVENTUALLY!! So long Human Race, Japan IS THE GAME CHANGER. 🙁 I PLACE NO BLAME ON THE JAPANESE! I BLAME ALL GOVERNMENTS ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE!!

    • Kevin Kevin

      Governments have long been mere puppets of more powerful influences.

      You can shake your fist and blame them all you want, but they are not the essence of the problem, only a symtpom.

    • so it must be in our Pacific ocean too !

  • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

    We HAVE to shut down all nuclear reactors ASAP! Unfortunately that is just a necessary first step, but it is not sufficient to solve the problem. Before we can be free from the threat of an ELE, we must also solve the spent fuel problem, which could very well destroy the earth even if all reactors are shut down.

  • The NRC transcripts indicated that they believed unit 4 spent fuel pool was gone.

    The current images of the plant suggest that spf 4 is now gone, even if it survived March's explosions.

    Is this NHK story more propaganda?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Majia, where did you find in the NRC transcripts what appears to be statements they believed the SPF at #4 was gone? Hadn't seen that one, thanks. Please post a link.

    • James2

      Majia – the early reports to the NRC did in fact report that SFP4 was completely empty and burned.

      Subsequent reports indicate they were incorrect in that assumption.

      I think it's safe to say they are partially burned at least now, and maybe completely burned. But I don't believe they were completely burned back on march.

      Looks to me like there are some intact rods and some missing rods in those videos.

      • evendine

        @James: Pretty hard thing to get wrong – surely it would be difficult to make a mistake about the walls of the SFP4 being leveled! Not something you would dream up and tell the chairman of the NRC!

        Form the enformable article (http://enformable.com/2012/03/nrc-transcript-tepco-relayed-information-unit-4-sfp-dry-walls-collapsed-and-incapable-of-holding-inventory-unit-3-everything-else-gone/):

        CHUCK CASTO: And we certainly know, I think we absolutely know that pool No. 4, though, the walls have collapsed –
        NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay.
        CHUCK CASTO: — on pool No. 4.
        NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: And again, because I’m going to get asked the question, where’s that coming from. I’m going to say it’s from a team that is in Japan that is embedded that is working closely with the Japanese utility and the Japanese regulatory agency, is that correct?
        CHUCK CASTO: Correct.
        NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay. That’s all I need.
        BRUCE: Chuck, before you go –
        CHUCK CASTO: Yes?
        BRUCE: — you indicated that the walls of the pool were damaged or down?
        CHUCK CASTO: Yes.
        NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: I’m not going to get into that level of detail. I mean the relevant factor is it’s dry.
        CHUCK CASTO: Yes, and they can’t maintain inventory at all.
        NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Okay. Good. Thank you. I appreciate it.
        CHUCK CASTO: Yes, sir.

        From the NRC archive (http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML12052A108.pdf – pdf p.64):

        7 JOHN MONAGER: Unit 1 and 2 is boiling
        8 down, and Unit 3 and 4 is having zirc/water reaction.
        9 They believe there is essentially no walls on Unit 3.
        10 The explosion — I'm sorry — Unit 4. The explosion
        11 leveled the walls, leveled the structure for the Unit
        12 4 spent-fuel pool all the way down to the approximate
        13 level of the bottom of the fuels. So, there's no
        14 water in there whatsoever.
        15 MALE PARTICIPANT: And no ability to
        16 retain water.
        17 JOHN MONAGER: And no ability to retain
        18 water.

        TEPCO lie constantly! The vids above could easily be…

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FUELS

          Maybe I'd read that one before, but it didn't sink in fully until just now. Oh, my ….

        • evendine

          Chuck Casto's CV shows that he's a professional nuke guy, with 34 years of experience in the industry – 23 of which were with the NRC:

          http://www.nrc.gov/public-involve/conference-symposia/ric/bio/castoc.pdf

          John D. Monninger was Deputy Director Division of Risk Analysis, NRC in 2008 (not sure about now, but seem likely to know what he's talking about!)

        • James2

          Well, they later did come back and say that they were wrong, and there are pretty recent pictures of the SFP4 walls being at least mostly intact.

          And they have detailed photos of the reinforcing work they did to the bottom of the pool and the walls.

          And we've seen many versions of the workers madly scrambling to save SFP4 – I can't imagine they would bother with that if it didn't still exist.

          So I assume with later photographic evidence, that the walls did not actually fall down.

          I do think they leaked the water out, and some of the fuel melted early on.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            @James2..No one can imagine..the Memorial capping of the BP Deepwater Horizon is a fake either.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loF3J6S8qkg

            • James2

              I didn't follow the oil spill that much, but I can tell you I was pretty angry when one day – seemingly out of the blue they declared the leak fixed and from that day over the news stopped .

              I assume they were trying to pull the same coup d'etat on the truth with the "cold shutdown" announcement – except in this case they couldn't fool the public the second time.

              Generally I use my own observation of the pictures and their actions – not what they say the actions are – but what I can see them actually doing – coupled with my experience to determine what is truthful

              For example – I was skeptical of all the temp and pressure data after the explosion of #1 and most certainly after #3 – because they had no electricity, no access to the control room and the instrumentation could not have survived the blasts – yet they kept handing out temp and pressure data – it was not possible.

              I look at the explosion of #3, I know how blast patterns work and I know it didn't come from the SFP3 – it came from the core.

              On #4, you could physically see that the SFP held at least some water after they got hoses on it and filled it back up – so I don't believe the walls fell down. That's not to say they didn't have significant leaks, but I'm pretty confident the NRC report above is incorrect.

            • Kevin Kevin

              MAcondo well is still leaking and reaching the surface.

              Huge slicks still exist today.

              Same of the coast Brazil.

              And at the beginning of the year another huge ocean spill at a loading dock.

              The list goes on and on.

              We are in a lot of trouble with these huge energy behemoths, they are the fishhead.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                Leaking…should have a scale…or a quantitative description or something..
                …like uberleaking.
                It is still leaking….

          • evendine

            …but James, why would two such people above categorically state that such an event had occurred if it hadn't? It makes absolutely no sense! And why is there no video of #4 exploding? They +MUST+ have footage, but it's being suppressed…

            Who benefits? TEPCO and their shareholders along with their cronies – the corrupt and mendacious government of Japan, that's who! They bought themselves time to get their money out of the stock-market with a terrible price in human life which is just beginning to unfold.

            The NRC are hardly known for their honesty or independence from the nuke cartel either, so why would it be a surprise if they withdrew the story to back their associates up later on? You don't have any direct evidence for your position, but on the contrary, we have the +chairman of the NRC+ acknowledging it happened at the time!

            • James2

              Read it again – he almost categorically states it – he says "I think we absolutely know the walls collapsed".

              if you read the entire document, you understand that this came from an unsubstantiated report – they didn't "absolutely Know" the walls collapsed – they did believe it at the time, though.

              Later in one of the documents, they say it did not.

              Hey nobody can prove 100% what did or didn't happen unless you've been there – but I'm pretty sure the walls didn't collapse. There are plenty of later photos showing it intact.

              • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                At 3:36… I think the walls are gone…
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5zT8D-Ppc&feature=related

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  Here is a clip from CNN…March 15 2011
                  Concerning a fire at reactor 4
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJSio-kZS4
                  "The Obama Administration is concerned with the lack of information"..lol..
                  The NRC FOIA documents..show they knew all about it.

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  …ohhh..listen to CNN…wowsers…

                • James2

                  Heart,
                  That photo is not new. I had seen that angle many times. It does not show the SFP4 walls blown.

                  It actually shows them intact.

                  Notice in the photos which show the inside of the building that both the reactor core and the SFP are both shifted off-center slightly.

                  If you look inside the panel that is blown out = clearly below the top of the fuel pool, you can actually see the black concrete west wall of the SFP – in other words the SFP ends just before that panel, and the reason the next few panels didn't blow out is because the SFP stopped them.

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  ..lol…the debate rages on

      • evendine

        … fabricated by visiting the SFP's of 5 or 6…

  • gottagetoffthegrid

    "It says removal of the spent fuel from the pool requires a visibility of at least 7 meters and that it will investigate how the floating matter was created"

    really? you need to investigate that? the pool is full of particulate from the collapsed roof and other junk, most of which has settled to the bottom.

    there was a relatively big earthquake a few days back. all you would need is for some big chunk of stuff to shift and fall over to stir up the dust, so to speak. it will take a few weeks to settle back down.

    but its a bad thing to admit that EQ's are causing things to move around in unit 4, considering its rather sickening list.

  • nucleuscontrol

    What a CRIME!!!!!!

  • toin11

    Has this been posted already?

    http://youtu.be/_jlONo6kj10

    Video of the waves hitting the power plant.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      toin11, I hadn't seen that before. Wonder what went KA-BOOM there and caused all the black smoke? A turbine building? Reactor 1? WOW!

      • toin11

        Hotaters;

        seems to have been an explosion underground, or rather, under sea water…

        There is controversy ……..

    • Misitu

      erm does look like something more violent than arrival of tsunami, remembering that the NPP is sited on flat ground and that would have to be a ginormous wall very thick & tall to make the wave go up like that. Visual approximation says it looks like an explosion and quite a big one.

      Just for the record – thanks for the pointer

      M

  • Wreedles Wreedles

    The technical term for this "unidentified floating white matter" is 'crap.'

    Crap is usually generated by crap-generating activities, including earthquakes, melt-downs, melt-throughs, melt-outs, chemical explosions, and nuclear explosions.

    Raw materials used to generate the crap are most likely structural and non-structural fuel, reactor, equipment, and containment components.

    There's no need to analyse it.

  • kenzer

    ATTENTION Fukushima scientists/administrators. The white matter you are seeing floating in reactor 4 water are micro-organisms. The same thing happened at Three Mile Island. Once containment was breached and oxygen was introduced into the reactor, micro-organisms began eating(oxidizing) the metal. Quite an interesting ecosystem developed. 50,000 rems per day were no problem for these organisms. Bacteria and Archaea ate the metal. Chlorophyll-less algae and yeast metabolized the prokaryote's waste products and cells, as well as each other. Even suggestions, that some of the algae species had interesting pigments using gamma-rays as an energy source!
    Theoretically, these organisms could completely eat the reactor/fuel rods metal. Fluids cycled out could recover nearly all radioactive isotopes. Life is resilient.

    • Wreedles Wreedles

      I forgot about that. Didn't they also find some sort of creeping jelly fungus had adapted to life within the sarcopahgus at Chernobyl?

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        I'm thinking in these white-matter-crap-jelly-fungus-organisms we find the future of life on earth.

        • blackbeer blackbeer

          Well, at least it's a sign of a potential future as apposed to the potential end of future…………

          Tom

    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Thanks, kenzer. Good find. So, then, that process is happening, too, along with crap and roofing material, etc. Wonder why that fact from Three Mile Island hasn't been publically referenced by TEPCO, or is it true, as some whistleblowers say, that the industry covers up many secrets from even itself and other power plant operators to hide errors and keep control over the competition? Maybe they don't have that information. Can you imagine an industry that should be LESS competitive for the sake of public safety? Would the use of sea water escalate this chemical process? Maybe through oxidation, too, make the material more available to the micro-organisms? Anyone know? And, what happens to the metal structure of the pool, then, as it gets eaten?

    • fredlvie

      using gamma-rays as an energy source!

      *gg

      you can call it "system HULK" therefore…

      😉

    • lam335 lam335

      Like that apparently "biological" spider stuff in the Savannah river site fuel pools.

      Or maybe its just little bits of asbestos insulation?

  • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

    Ugly bags of water, stop killing us….

  • Caveat Emptor

    "Large volume of unidentified floating white matter seen in No. 4 reactor and spent fuel pool — Tepco to investigate where it came from"

    The reactor and spent fuel pool or the white matter?

    Let me guess.

    TEPCO didn't realize there was a No. 4 reactor and spent fuel pool.

    "We will investigate and study this."
    "If there is a No. 4 reactor and spent fuel pool please be assured we will only build it over the most seismically unsafe area in the world using design specifications guaranteed to fail."
    "Please remember it will always be in cold shutdown."
    "By our products and our lies."

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Ok. Let's review what we think we know about reactor 4. There was no fuel in reactor 4 on 311, according to TEPCO. They were about to refuel reactor 4 with new MOX fuel, high in Pu. So why are they looking at the reactor? Because the new MOX fuel was in the SFP awaiting loading. They need somewhere to put the new MOX fuel that is more secure than SFP 4. With the roof blown off building 4, the SFP is open to the air. Arnie Gundersen reported at the end of March, 2011, that SFP 4 had little or no water in it. So, it is likely that the MOX bundles have been compromised. They may be burned, in a semi molten state, or just a blob on the floor of SFP 4. It has been reported that the new MOX rod bundles had been mistakenly grouped together in SFP 4, against TEPCO policy. The new fuel bundles are supposed to be spaced well apart, so that a criticality can be avoided in case of an accident. Then comes 311, leaving TEPCO (and regular readers of ENEnews) VERY worried about what was happening in SFP 4. What does TEPCO now know about unit 4? It is likely that TEPCO knows that the new MOX bundles are now in no condition to be lifted out of SFP 4 and relocated into reactor 4. They also know that the reactor is in such bad shape that the control rods can no longer be inserted to stop fission. Nor can cooling water be circulated to the reactor to cool the MOX rods, even if they were intact, and even if they could be moved into the reactor. As it is, whatever radiological processes have been going on in SFP 4 go right into the atmosphere. To sum up, TEPCO has rods that can't be moved, and a reactor that can't maintain the rods in cold shutdown. The genie is out of the bottle, and the stopper is lost. Because these are MOX rods, burning in the open air for the next quarter of a billion years or more, it is likely that this has now become, in fact, the ELE we have all hoped wouldn't happen. Sorry, guys and gals. Bucket lists ready?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      philipupnorth, where did you find the info. on MOX bundles in #4 SPF? Have heard that before but am not sure of the source. Please post link.

      • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

        Taters: We go through a large amount of info here every day. I keep pretty close tabs on Reactor 3 and SFP 4, which I believe to be the most threatening aspects of the Fuku situation. And I think I have this about right in the post above. The new MOX bundles were put into adjacent cells in SFP 4, and this has turned out to be a very big deal, since new bundles are supposed to be well separated as they are put into the SFP, prior to loading. This was posted here, I believe, in the last couple of weeks as ELEnews Admin has been combing through the NRC stuff (good work, Admin). But I can't find the reference just now. Man, I tend to get lost in that NRC stuff! If I happen on this part of the discussion, I'll let you know. I am also searching for a photo of the plug and cap for reactor and containment in building 4. Somebody had mentioned that reactor 4 was open on 311, and the lid in storage. But I think we know that the SFP 4 has melted new MOX bundles, in close proximity to the other new MOX bundles, and this is making for a truly dangerous problem for all of humanity. The fact that TEPCO isn't talking about this is not reassuring! Look for black Pu dust, coming soon to a town near you!

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      you and me, we are just two regular Pollyannas, blackbeer!

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        oops, wrong place, but philipupnorth, you are a lot of fun, too! Thanks, what you are saying is necessary.

        Have you and HoTaters seen nuckelchen's webcam videos? It looks like down at the bottom of where the reactor used to be in R4 is just belching this black-dust-"mysterious"-MOX-plutonium-Alpha-death on some of the videos, and the black dust clouds from R3 on others.

        I am thinking that all of the MSM stories on March 9 about how "plutonium is not a threat" are because this black dust is a GAME CHANGER: now the nuclear threat isn't invisible anymore, the naked eye can see the black alpha dust death. It is much harder to hide.

    • James2

      Philip – Tepco claimed vehemently that there were no MOX rods in SFP4

      Not that I believe it, but I think that's what they've been saying.

      • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

        James, I am researching this now, but the wife demands her weekends with me, and so may be next week. But I will find the reference! Have a good one. Philip

        • James2

          from theINPO Special Report on the Nuclear Accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station – November 2011:

          4.5 Spent Fuel Pools and Dry Cask Storage
          Table 4.5-1 Spent Fuel Pool Data
          Background
          As shown, the spent fuel pools (SFPs) for units 14 contained different amounts of spent fuel at the time of the event, generating different heat loads. The Unit 4 SFP had the greatest heat load because the entire core had been offloaded into the SFP to support ongoing outage work.
          Approximately 60 percent of the spent fuel on site is stored in a separate building in a common spent fuel pool. This pool contained 6,375 fuel assemblies (about 80 percent of pool capacity), but the heat load was very low because the assemblies were stored in their respective units’ SFPs for 19 months or longer before being set in the common pool. Calculations determined that cooling can be lost to this pool for 30 days before it
          Unit
          1
          2
          3
          4
          5
          6
          Number of fuel assemblies
          In the reactor
          400
          548
          548
          0
          548
          764
          Spent fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
          292
          587
          514
          1,331
          946
          876
          New fuel assemblies in the spent fuel pool
          100
          28
          52
          204
          48
          64
          Water volume (ft3)
          36,021
          50,323
          50,323
          50,323
          50,323
          52,866
          35
          becomes a concern. The common spent fuel pool uses fans and air for cooling, so cooling is maintained if the seawater ultimate heat sink is lost; however, AC power is required to power the fan motors and circulating pumps.
          Dry cask storage is also used for spent fuel. At the time of the event, the station had nine casks containing 408 spent fuel assemblies.
          There are no mixed-oxide fuel assemblies in any of the spent fuel pools or in the dry cask storage facility.

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        James2,

        I don't believe them either. Here is a link that shows Tepco has been caught lying about multiple issues for over a decade, faking records here, there and everywhere.

        "Officials from Tepco found that more than half of the 61 pipes it had inspected in its Fukushima plant's number three reactor showed signs of damage. Corrosion was so severe in six of the stainless steel pipes that they measured less than half their original thickness."

        Also, the reports from 2002 indicate that the MOX was headed for "reactors," plural, at Fukushima,

        "In Japan, a scandal has erupted in the last two weeks about a cover-up of potential safety flaws in the reactors in which BNFL hoped its fuel would be loaded. The Tokyo Electric Power Company, BNFL's largest customer, has admitted it failed to accurately report 29 cracks found in a 15 year period in eight reactors. An investigation has been ordered and board members of the company have resigned."

        The Asahi Shimbun, September 30, 2002
        Stunning nuke cover-up alleged at TEPCO plant

        The utility apparently faked a safety check on equipment that prevents radiation leaks. Documents indicate that Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) cheated on a safety test concerning a nuclear reactor containment vessel in 1992 in what could be the utility's most dangerous cover-up, sources said over the weekend.

        http://archive.greenpeace.org/nuclear/bnfl/japan_nuke_excerpts.html#article2

        I was just coming back with some links on the black dust alpha death:

        http://enenews.com/watch-alpha-radiation-detected-50km-south-of-fukushima-in-iwaki-city-up-to-1000-times-more-dangerous-than-beta-or-gamma-equivalent-video

        http://enenews.com/opcom-emergency-survey-black-dust-finds-alpha-radiation-45-microsvh-measured-public-housing-project-minami-soma

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Here are just a few videos by the amazing Nuckelchen, I still haven't found the early ones that I remember:

          March 7 Black Clouds:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FedUe-3oag

          More:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUEAy6regM&feature=youtu.be

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=304Ul_45RI4

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGlBIwVIVCk

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwudPBUFYqw

          What would we do without you, Nuckelchen?!

          • StillJill StillJill

            NoNukes asks, "What would we do without you, Nuckelchen?!"

            My answer is, without Nuckelchen and his videos,…TEPCO would have gotten away with it.

            That is my opinion. The courts will see Nuck's videos,….the smoking gun has RARELY been more visible!

            Debt of gratitude Nuck!

        • James2

          Certainly you won't catch me trying to defend whether Tepco is lying or not.

          But it does seem curious that they would lie about MOX in the #4 SFP – if they moved it in, there's probably some kind of prior record of the move, and if so, the lie is caught.

          Notice in the data above there were 48 new fuel assemblies in SFP4 – since the first load of MOX in #3 was 32 assemblies it is conceivable that these were MOX.

          • NoNukes NoNukes

            James2, I seem to remember reading that they intended to put the MOX in R3 and R4 back in 2002, I thought that it was in the Greenpeace archive, but have to leave now.

            • NoNukes NoNukes

              James2,

              Here is a reference to the MOX fuel being destined for 2 reactors (and R3 and R4 look so much alike now):

              Nuclear Fuel September 2, 2002
              TEPCO's Plutonium Program on ice

              Tokyo Electric Power Co. (Tepco), which has been waiting for government approval since 1999 to load mixed-oxide (MOX) fuel at two reactors, indefinitely shelved those plans late last week in the wake of a disclosure by the Ministry of Economy, Trade & Industry (METI), and subsequent confirmation by Tepco, that company management had consistently misrepresented inspection findings by consultant General Electric Co. (GE) at numerous reactors at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa and Fukushima sites for over a decade.

              http://archive.greenpeace.org/nuclear/bnfl/japan_nuke_excerpts.html#article5

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Well here is one reference… pg.64.
    http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML12052A108.pdf
    I need to spend alot of time..tightening up my notes.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Side note..discussion of SFP 5..pg.70

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Wreedles, good one, about the 'crap' – funny. Thanks for making me laugh. For a little while there, my teeth stopped chattering in fear – stark horror and high anxiety, etc.

    Man, this a bad! I thought I knew bad, but I didn't. This is what they call in warfare a 'route.' Driven off the field of battle by the 'enemy' – the astronomically high levels of radiation. Daiichi is just a wasteland, a high-tech state-of-the-art forever-lethal wasteland.

    Will I ever even be able to say "I told you so, you out-to-lunch motherf*ckers, who have been calling me a nutty right wing (not!) conspiracy theorist, all these years?" Probably not. They are so out to lunch that they will never get that far.

    It is scary.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I think we need a separate thread just to discuss the NRC FOIA documents…

    • evendine

      Agreed – they are the best source of direct info out there that I can find…

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Yes indeed, Heart. It's been a shame to see those revelations just scroll away into the past. Kevin, in particular, had focused our attention on some smoking gun items in them.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here they talk about a 94% uranium/6% plutonium mixture in Unit 4
    http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/03/17/mox-the-fukushima-word-of-the-day-and-why-its-bad-news/

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      This article doesn't make sense unless this is a typo. The author is talking about reactor #3 and says all the others only have uranium. IMHO, this is a typo for #3.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        In paragraph..2 and 3…the author makes it clear he is discussing 4

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          This is paragraph #2:

          "Today it’s rector 3. The day began—at least in the West—with images of helicopters flying over the reactor building, dumping seven-ton loads of water in an attempt both to cool the containment vessel and prevent that storage pool from drying up as well. But what makes reactor 3 so special? In one acronymic word: MOX."

  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Nice knowing all of you. It's over. The lights will go out on their own, no need to turn them off. The fat lady has died, and will not be singing us off into the void after all. So much promise the human race had, to end like this. What will aliens who land here in 20 or 30 centuries going to think about Earth? These beings were destroyed by their own civilization. The radiation that killed us will still be as lethal as it now is. To the pronukes, Japan would have recovered nicely from the earthquake, powerful though it was. And Japan would have recovered nicely from the waves of the tsumani, high though they were. But the nuke plants were there because of your greed and stupidity. And now, you have killed us all, even your own wives and children. "What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?" Mark 8:36

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      philupnor…I agree with you on this. We did not make the adaptation beyond greed, power, dominance, control, and war which was mandated by the splitting of the atom. Any extra-terrestrial intelligence which gets here, though, will recognize the stage where we failed because they will have made it through this phase, this test, this evolution. They will have adapted where we failed.

      All very sad!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    This is not my original post.a different conversation…I can't find it…the end of conversation..SFP 4..simply not there.
    I'm looking for little conversation that went like this..
    Party one:
    It's like… yeah.
    Party 2:..yeah

    • Misitu

      Heart, re page 54, it seems the NRC were right on the button with what we suspected, rather: they seem to be looking disaster right in the face and over here, due to lack of information, we were kind of approximating that.

      My specific contribution to this moment of the debate is that Tepco are now suspect of releasing a photo of 4SFP that bears absolutely no resemblance to what it seems was the true state of affairs at that time. 4SFP in bits, as discussed by NRC, and the photo from some library way back.

      I'm not saying I'm right but, if I am, they are a bunch of twisters.

      M

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        I think they have been faking the views of SFP 4…
        SFP 4 burning is something ..they definitely don't want the public to find out about.
        They will go through a complete facade if necessary.

  • jackassrig

    Whether SFP has fallen, it is still standing, or it is going to fall is irrelevant. The fact is the radiation has destroyed, is destroying, or will destroy the mechanical strength of the concrete and steel of the SPF. What do we do now to plan for the catastrophe. If it has not collapsed, she's going down and she's going down hard sometime in the future. TEPCO, government officials and business chiefs need to stop debating this and start planning for the disaster to come.

    • Anthony Anthony

      Exactly right.

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Well, it may seem like a small thing, jackassrig, but I would like to know if it has happened yet or not for a variety of reasons.

    • James2

      Someone suggested awhile back – don't remember who – that they should simply dig a giant hole and let it tip over into the hole. I guess if it's going China Syndrome – you might as well give it a nice start.

      I agree that it's just a matter of time now – sooner or later it's going to fall

  • Kevin Kevin

    Whats interesting to me is that these videos bare no resemblance to the major video earlier released that showed the pool in tact and with no serious rubble upon the bed of rods.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What interest me is…looking the original explosion…analysis of the vids..showing what is left of the reactors..etc.
    How can any of the vids be real..of SFP 4.?

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Thanks, Heart of the Rose, also pg. 178

      The bottom line: Unit 4 had a serious 13 explosion last night. That explosion resulted in a degradation of the building to the point that the spent-fuel pool can no longer retain water. That's the most salient point. The walls are, we hear, collapsed.

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        pg. 228

        CHUCK CASTO: Well, we recommended that
        somehow taking the roof off of Unit 2, because that will allow them to have access from above, but not 4 Unit 4 because they don't know, if they try to get rid of the rest of that roof, or whatever is left of it –
        And, again, we're just

        MALE PARTICIPANT: The roof's gone. CHUCK CASTO: There's nothing left, right?
        probably dump sand on top of that debris field that's over top of the pool and that would give you some shielding, but you may not get down completely to the ruble pile in the spent-fuel pool on that Unit 3.
        Okay.
        DAVE SKEEN: But, from what we can tell on 4, I think you've got a pretty open path to try to dump stuff down there.

        and from pg. 234

        (reference a bit abstract:)

        MALE PARTICIPANT: Absolutely. Oh, yes, but the isotopes will be out of that pool after about
        a 24-hour pool.

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        p.s. to clarify, when I copy the transcripts, the line numbers get included and I try to take the numbers out, but miss some, like the "13" above in my 5:05 post.

        I don't want people thinking that there were 13 explosions (even though, who knows)?!

    • Kevin Kevin

      @heart did you find a video the explosion at 4? I found one reported in Italian that looked like it might have been a different angle on explosion 3. However I had never seen the footage before and it was so far away you could not clarify which building it occurred in.

      The italian reporter and headlines seemed to indicate it was at reactor 4 or that it was the 4th explosion. Reactor three did not seem to be mentioned by my italian is a little, no a lot rusty.

  • Justme

    I had a problem with mineral like material after running a ultrasonic mister for about 48 hours (last month). Milky water and deposits at the bottom of the bowl. I was using RO water with a TDS of 4 PPM.

    FOIA documents are located on the NRC.gov website

    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Thanks, Justme! Is this when you detected the Alpha?

      • Justme

        No, I've been detecting Alpha for some time. White material built up all over it, like calcium deposits. I have 6 of these misters, all with the same results. One of these had an 1/8" hole in the side of it after running overnight. I don't believe this was any type of electrolysis.

        Get a microscope and look online how to do a blood smear (it's easy)

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here is a lnk to the NRC FOIA documents
    http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML120520264.html

    • Kevin Kevin

      Awesome Heart Thanks…

      I know its here elsewhere, but that was nice and handy.

      I think there is great capacity to blow this open a bit.

      Your awesome, well at least this is a better than a cold corium pancake tossed at me….

      lol
      🙂

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Quick..an excuse..I was in prepunking paranoia..
        Redact..the statement about it sounding fun…
        Yes..with some work and input as a group..we could knock out out a chronology…clarify a few debate positions… etc.

        • Kevin Kevin

          I think we should underscore the NRC coverup on the worst disaster in the world, and then open up a nukeleak site like wikinuke or whatever. Or convince admin to open up a "leaks" wing to the site, set it up like wikileaks for anonymous untraceable links, and start hammering these fucking crooks.

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            @Kevin… I agree.

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              We've been given a few nails for the nuclear coffin..we have to use them.

              • Kevin Kevin

                Lets do it.

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  Yes… we also need to chase down the stories about the other nuclear plants. 4/7/2011
                  “At 12:23 a.m. the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, an arm of the Japanese government, began holding an emergency press conference. An official said external sources of electricity have been cut to both the Higashi-Dori nuclear power plant in Aomori Pref., in northern Japan and the Rokkasho nuclear recycling plant, which I wrote in the latest issue of Forbes magazine . Both plants are reportedly operating normally via on-site emergency generators,“wrote Yas Idei, writing for Forbes in Japan.
                  http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/07/blindingblue-lightflash-seen-during-earthquake-in-japan-nuclear-plants-lose-power/

                • Kevin Kevin

                  Agreed Heart, which is where the Nukeleaks notion comes in.

                  If we can guarantee anonymity, and have the cajones to put our necks on the lines publishing leaks, we will see stuff from all over the place.

                  Wikileaks, well, its a long story, but its the right model. And there is no reason why we cannot set up the same thing, I have looked into this. Its even cheap!

                  Lets start a chat group or eservelist. One just for blue skying it. From there we will have to secure up because this is gonna be as hot as Fuku right from the getgo!

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  I don't know much about chat groups ..etc..
                  But will help any way I can…
                  I also think we need shoutbox or something as Nuck suggested..
                  Somehow.. there has to be easier/faster to discuss what we see webcams.

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  PS…It's called sleep..I better get some…night all.
                  Tomorrow..let's start thinking this through….

                • Kevin Kevin

                  Sweet dreams heart,

                  corium pancakes and coffee in the morning….

                  lol
                  🙂

          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            Kevin & Heart +++Plus several quadrizillion nano +++++s

  • jackassrig

    Water weighs 64 lb / ft3. If the SFP has approx 50000 ft3 of water, 64 * 50000 = 3,200,000 lbs that old mangled structure must support.

  • What-About-The-Kids

    Question: Whatever happened to PattieB? Seemed like she always had an amazing amount of "insider" information…

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    answer:stay grounded my friend.
    pattieb gives a lot of good searched and well together mixed informations.
    mostly perfect on time as it can possible here on board.
    the inside that you see is just a night with a clear mind in the web.
    "just" is in a relative meaning.
    i had often seen that pattieb posted links that i had founded to some hours or days before.
    i'm inside?
    loel,
    but i'm "overnighten"-maniac, what means if its kicking enough, i can spend sixty hours on it,
    nonstop.
    but for months ago there was some questions like that on the webcamfried.

    "how can it be? nuckelchen must be a tepco paid blabla.."

    anyway,
    pattieb is that what we named in german "fleissig"°,
    hm, strange that there is no english translation for "fleissig"…
    seems to me like there will be no others "fleissig",…
    ah, japanese have a translation for "fleissig", hehe
    nucknuck

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Google translate says that 'fleissig' means 'diligent'.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      I'll take a guess: "Flossy" or "Glossy"!

    • What-About-The-Kids

      Hey Nuckelchen, I must compliment you on your amazing productions you've so diligently contributed here for the past year. You truly have a gift. Any offers for work in video production? Your experience and knowledge here, coupled with your artistic genius surely would be a valuable addition to any production. Just sayin'…All of us here would gladly serve as references for you. 🙂 We definitely can vouch for your great work!

      I do admit that, for me, sometimes the language difference and your unique style of communication is not always easy to understand. But I find all of your posts fascinating nevertheless! 🙂 You are quite an enigma in your own right, so no need to compare yourself with PattieB. You both have been invaluable additions to this forum. 🙂

      Now, back to my question about where PattieB has been…Anybody know?

      And speaking of other folks who haven't posted for awhile, I hope Or-Well is just taking a well-deserved break and refilling his artistic well. What would enenews be without his poetic genius?

      Wow, what a talented bunch! Nuchle, what about a collaboration with Or-Well's poetry, Poor Daddy's singing and your video and music editing and production skills? I'd love to see that production! 🙂

      Danke!

      • nuckelchen nuckelchen

        well,
        its more stuff on the nuke that one person could read in their livetime.
        and i think its like with mine when i sometimes read some hardcruffing updates of all what i know about it.
        then you must reboot yourself and that all needs time to will be done and understund.
        until that your head will hourly blasting away.
        when i all minds loud-posting would…
        like that i had found videos from test reactors inside, fusion ones.
        fusion is 2000°c hotter then a fission, and what should i say?
        absolute the same stuff like we had seen in the videos from 19/2 inside core rea 2.
        or that all the talking about the will happens with the nuke rubbish are based on a knowlegde in a "normal" world and not on the world like it is today.
        the atmosphere is overdosed with all kind of gasses so how can we know about anything when nuclides will be shooten in it?

        or the ground?
        go on the nasa sat side and look the images of the day from the last months.
        duststormduststormstrom
        never seen them so much and so often before.
        but they fixes their planings with a upsinking from radionukes on ground with 2-5 cm.
        that will be not possible at all.
        in usa and brd were peoples killed by sandstorms…that was so freaky new for us here in germany…or like that the last november in germany and around chernobyl were the driest november since we named it "november".
        (reason could be the close placed radiostations,chernobyl and germany had the closest systems of dosimeters…

        and after we had some really hard views on the webcams in the last weeks,
        what happens?
        march 2012 is the driest one since we named it march.
        he,
        that on the 17th…that means if would rains nonstopless from now on, it would be the dryest march since we were climbed down from the trees.i've got satpics from nov were you can see a cutted cloud linie all along the outlines from germany…

        but i cannot find time to bring such things to the end,
        to much "new" informations (means for me new) smashen…

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    hey,
    i've unpacked the files.

    that will be taken some days to work on them all.

    but we could be have some luck, maybe the editions that i had used here on their last "underwater" vid will be safed and will be working on that here all.
    that was really an "amazing" effect, but more a result of a lucky hand in the night as i made it.

    oh wait,
    what is that?
    a blair witch tepco handy-cam video?
    cool!
    2012…

    tepco knows how they can kill my motivations…
    grrr…handycam….uncheckable…

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    ah,
    the shakering video thread isn't here, aight?
    sorry, my misstake.

    here we are in the pool-crew thread?
    loel, in german "Bademeister"

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    to let me talking with my own is given me NOT a good feeling, u knw?
    ….
    a-ha,
    i see…the audienz is ready to go,
    but how i can feed you without getting bite by you ?
    NUCKELCHEN EDITION OF "120316_01j" :
    http://youtu.be/9fwJ7djciZQ

    NUCKELCHEN EDITION OF "120316_05j" :
    http://youtu.be/tHkUgslStSc

    stay tuned ….

    • Sickputer

      Hey Nuck! I am here but have been occupied with cleanup duties at my house after a week of Fuku Flu. Massive headaches from the wandering east-blown plume… Heard many anecdotal accounts of the same headache issues… My barber says her mother NEVER has headaches…until this week.

      I like your cleanup clip showing the floating "jellyfish". When I was a youngster I was severely stung by purple Man 'o War and I bet those white blobs pack quite a punch.

      Still not quite sure why Tepco isn't skimming the hot milky water and adding fresh, but it could be just a precarious situation and they are holding theur breath hoping it can hold out for another twenty months of heat decay. I seriously doubt they will get their wish.

    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Nuck's "_O1j" looks like either a soiled diaper or a chastity belt. Tepco trying I guess.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    NUCKELCHEN EDITION OF "120316_03j"
    http://youtu.be/O7PMvd_QeXY

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I'm here too… Nuck!..lol….in heavy sub-woofer therapy…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJvR7dw94CY
    Ya..I like the slowed down version ..too.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    autschn!
    i don't like these sounds of guy who nuckels in some metall-junk.
    i'm a drummer you knw?
    six years on the music-school in bonn, single lessons into drum playing.
    one day i was a part of the "bonner drum ensemble" and what should i say…a triangle i must play…!
    since that days i had a "metall-instrument-phobie"…also my snare drums i must bought new, wooden ones…

    the humen inside is a strange one sometimes…

    öhm,
    sorry for asking,
    the sax is playing all along the song?
    then you mean that your subwoofer is in therapy?
    😉

    but the S,A & X are usefull:
    SoulwAX
    http://youtu.be/XvtiDKI3tzQ
    u will luuve dat^^

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    LOL..ya ..well…. that was from my public set…what I really listen to is CLASSIFIED….

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    NUCKELCHEN EDITION OF "120316_04j"
    http://youtu.be/tb7jvxth_R0

    the last and biggest one will take some hours,
    so please feel you free to give me some comments about it, here, not on tube.

    'cause here plays the music.. 🙂

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Fire in the turbine building reactor 4…April 12 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNG5uG3prpo

    • What-About-The-Kids

      April, 2012? Are you psychic? ;-D I know…it's late here too…Great work, today, Heart!

    • Heart of the Rose
      March 17, 2012 at 1:33 am
      The major 7.1 quake at Fuku and then the unit4 turbine fire!
      Look at the surge of total dam content changes also for just 30 Indian dams…Too much of a coincidence:
      Quakes at Fuku and Unit 4 at Daichi Turbine on Fire on April 12 2011:
      Date Time Lat Long Magnitude Depth Seismic Moment Total Dam Content change for the day(MCM)
      2011 4 7 143242 38.253 141.64 7.1 49 4.466835922 101159.57
      2011 4 8 184231 43.896 147.468 5.3 63.4 0.008912509 -104042.9
      2011 4 9 125749 30.013 131.81 6.1 21.3 0.141253754 143.35
      2011 4 10 202426 -36.077 -73.256 5.2 26.6 0.006309573 -11079.23
      2011 4 11 81613 37.007 140.477 6.6 10 0.794328235 9609.5
      2011 4 12 50742 37 140.7 6 10.6 0.1 -12144.51
      2011 4 13 195724 39.587 143.357 6.1 11.2 0.141253754 9085.03

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “…The helicopters also took new pictures of the spent fuel pools on the roofs of the reactor buildings and have apparently confirmed fears that the pool at reactor No. 4 has boiled dry. Although the company has been saying that the fuel rods in the pool have remained partially covered, Gregory Jaczko, chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Wednesday said that the best information he had at that time indicated the pool was dry and emitting high levels of radiation….”
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115×280134

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Sorry, I forgot the date:
      Mar-17-11

    • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

      But they plugged it up! "* Workers made an unsuccessful attempt to plug the crack using concrete. * A second attempt made earlier today to fix the crack using a mixture of a chemical polymer, sawdust and shredded newspaper also failed. * TEPCO is preparing for a third attempt to plug the leak, using an absorbent gel which expands to contain water and is usually included in baby diapers and litter trays for pets."

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Photos from April 15, 2011.
    Caption for 15th photo down:
    “New inside images of reactor 3 released in 2010 by TEPCO
    There are many facts to be gleaned from this image to help located things in Reactors 3 and 4.
    The image is them moving MOX rods from the SPF to the reactor well.
    According to CNIC any MOX fuel brought on site had to be stored in spent fuel pools due to the strength.
    Greenpeace reported that in 1999 65 MOX elements were shipped to Fukushima.
    The first MOX rods were installed into reactor 3 at Fukushima in August 2010.
    There was another shipment to Fukushima 1 in 2003 of 32 rods that caused some attention.
    The total inventory of MOX at Fukushima and the location of all of it is a question of concern.”
    http://www.houseoffoust.com/fukushima/april15.html

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    tja,
    thats one of the moxoriums down there…

    please think about when you talk about MOX–
    -how will MOX be builded?
    okay, from gas…
    like everything in the stupid physics you can do it backwards…
    okay…
    means mox into gas?
    wthell?
    hm,
    just think about it…
    example:
    there was a new delivery to japan with some tons of helifluxinuckybridium-whatevergas – moment – okay – not in gas, they send it in powder:
    http://www.IMG-Teufel.de/img_339310baa1jpg.jpg.html

    isn't powder not the new instant gas?
    nucleation?
    the prozess from gas into solid matter?
    jet-trail to condensation nuclei

    nucleation is…
    …like if you would swell and instead of stink would be a fine cloud of dust fall to ground… 🙂

    ya,
    i know, too much nuc here lately but thats how it is.

    http://youtu.be/GQWPnU2pjD4

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    last one of my editions is ready uploaded:
    http://youtu.be/v5-kXSi1ppA

  • I don't know what it is but it may be all over the earth soon enough !

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    I don't know what it is but it may be me who killed the conversations on that thread here ?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hey..look at picture ..I posted a youtube clip of this…now i have to find it again…
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/new-fire-reported-at-fukushima-reactor-no-4/1

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nuck..Nuck…Nuck…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0catEdRqGX4
    More winking and blinking…oh..yes!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Maybe I should clarify here..there is nothing fun..cool or exciting about seeing these images…
    They are horrific..in every manner.
    Sometimes..it is just great… to pull off a little bit intellectual intent.
    PS..Nuck..I'm part Native American..the drums mean very much to me.

    • Misitu

      Heart, us aggressive Eurosaxolatins had a good opportunity to learn common sense, for the first time, a few centuries back, but didn't know a chance in a lifetime from a chance of grand larceny. My encounter with NAs in the other continent continue to teach me a better interaction with other people. It's not that easy. And the world would have been a much much better place.

      Oh well.

      My sympathies.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    yeah,
    the drumes are beating much more of lifecycleingrhythmens at all.
    i had the first years lessons by an indianer, like some old'drumming'wolfe or so.

    it was a great time, three years without speaking of any words,…, other boys had asked me what i was doing on the trum…(to let a drum talk with you…)
    and clear,
    i mean nothing with "dimmdada-dimm-dodo"….more nature beaten is that for what is a rhythem to me,
    because everymothanuckeling-thing is beaten in a rhythmen.

    to feel or hear them is one of my finaly goals in that journey of life…

    the bumbing of our hearts is a reflex that is beaten by a vacuum äh, lunge,..,ÄH? google fuklate said that a german lunge is an english lung.
    nice!
    how much per pound?

    okay,
    i take a continetal,
    this german spare-rip looks tasty…

    "ADMIN: THEY WANNE KETCH ME UP!"

    @ rös'chen:
    nuckelchenblogde at arcor dot de

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    ..The pounding like the beating of the heart ..dipping and diving and dancing to the drum.
    When I was a kid ..after the football games…we used to take a drum..via old "Indian" truck..to the woods…there…we would do a dance called an "89er".. 89 rounds around the campfire one way..89 the other…
    Our hearts and the drum beat as one and we were free…
    @ Nuckelchen… Vielen Dank..