TV: Worries at Fukushima as radioactive materials found 80+ feet below Unit 4 — Record high contamination in groundwater near Unit 2 (VIDEO)

Published: December 21st, 2013 at 1:16 am ET


NHK Newsline, Dec. 20, 2013: Engineers are grappling with another problem far below their feet […] Workers have also detected substances that emit beta radiation in groundwater near Reactor 2, The concentration has been rising since last month. It reached a record high on Thursday this week at 1.9 million Bq/liter.

NHK WORLD, Dec. 20, 2013:  […] radioactive substances have been detected in water samples taken from deep underground […] Highly radioactive substances had been detected in previous months in shallow groundwater that was found to be leaking into the ocean. But for the first time in December, TEPCO investigators detected radioactivity in groundwater taken from a layer 25 meters [~82 feet] beneath the No. 4 reactor’s well facing the ocean. […] 6.7 becquerels per liter of Cesium 137 and 89 becquerels per liter of strontium and other beta ray-emitting radioactive substances […] they are concerned that if contamination of deeper layers of groundwater is confirmed, it could be another source that is leaking into the ocean. […]

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Published: December 21st, 2013 at 1:16 am ET


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209 comments to TV: Worries at Fukushima as radioactive materials found 80+ feet below Unit 4 — Record high contamination in groundwater near Unit 2 (VIDEO)

  • It would be really neat to map that underground river beneath FukU with actual scientific studies, using dye studies, and fancy technology equipment.

    How wide is it? HOw deep is it? HOw fast is it flowing?

    Where are the coriums in relationship to it?

    Little details like that… not computer estimates based on guesses.

    • bf9 Fitz

      Exactly. It's really time to put some resources into this, and wouldn't be a bad idea to plant a whole bunch of plants and trees everywhere possible.

      • For those with and who want more boots on the ground, found a rad memo to reach and educate citizens, in the spirit of Vital1

        Looks like you only need a printer, scissors, some thumbtacks and the motivation to find every community bulletin board in your town. Maybe another great way to reach more peeps and get see if anyone even takes the info.

        We are all resources. Thanks y'all for doing what you do. Will post in the combating radiation and general forum threads too, for those who want to find it and disperse it again and again.

        P.S. Merry Winter Everyone



          @chemfood: not that it made any difference to my nameserver/browser, but the pull-tags on the flyer feature the website as "" when it should technically read "". This error was likely induced by the auto-correct feature that attempts to capitalize the start of sentences. Not knowing what application software was being used prevents any suggestions on how to disable this feature. I did a lot of graphics design. Finally, nice layout and excellent idea! Whoever came up with the idea to use pull-tags for increasing traffic to ENENEWS, is sharp…

          • super glad it still links! (the many hazards of activism… geeze!)


            also, I noticed that there was no contact information on the tags, themselves, or the banner. This information should be provided, so others who happen to physically come across the flyer can find where they're from and download more for distribution in their area…

          • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

            According to RFC 3986 and, the domain name is case-insensitive (ie =, although the rest of a URL / URI may be case sensitive depending on the server (ie unix, .NET / asp).

            So, the flyer should be okay typed in as-is.

        • PurpleRain PurpleRain

          Thank you for making this. Should also make a jpg version to post on facebook streams and get info out more that way too.

    • Ourself Ourself

      If the Japanese government had any sense, they wouldn't have responded how they did, they would have instead been honest and made a big concerted effort in the country, as well as internationally, to help mitigate the disaster. It would create a lot of jobs and maybe something would actually get done. There should also have been more effort in the evacuation of citizens.

      The U.S. government is just as bad. Canadian government, too. The fact they're all involved in the cover-up shows that none of them deserve any power. Are they short-sighted, or is it something more sinister?

      I personally believe that they're responding the way they are because they want depopulation. It's the only explanation that makes any sense. Sure people might panic if they told the truth, but the fact they're hiding the truth is even more concerning. The truth can't be hidden, and when people realize what's happening, they're going to be a lot more afraid and angry than if they were told about it. It's going to lead to fascism, which really, seems to be the goal. How sinister.

      • Kashiko Kashiko

        But why depopulate 1st world countries? At the risk of sounding racist WHICH I AM NOT it makes more sense do depopulate the poorer overpopulated 3rd world countries. Japan, USA and Canada? I don't think so.


          @Kashiko: which is why such conspiracy theory is unfounded. Fortunately, it's not often, but you'll see people putting such crap up-on the discussion boards. What they conveniently miss is what you've logically hit on. How could they not undermine themselves with indiscriminate decimation of the population? They couldn't and as such…wouldn't! Of course, they'll be some bellicose asshole in the back row who'll loudly suggest, "…but they have the antidote!" Antidote this…

          • Ourself Ourself

            Maybe you guys are right. I'm just some conspiracy theorist. The U.S., Japanese, and Canadian governments are all involved in this cover-up because they're humanitarians. They do it because they love you. They're going to continue building nuclear plants because radiation is good for you! It's just like eating a few bananas! Didn't you know? That's why we raise the "safety limits" like we do! More is better! In fact, we should put nuclear waste in the water supply to build up our resistance! Yeah! Art Robinson for Congress! Woo!


              @Ourself: you need to get control of yourself and take a deep breath. That there may be a conspiracy does not necessarily translate into one of your own conflated imagination. From day one, nuclear power is all about money, stature and power. You need no other motivation than the undermining of these components, to find reason for a coverup of the facts in this catastrophe. It's not about killing you (and in the process, themselves and theirs). It's more likely you'll be relegated to the 'sands of time', for your inability to find your own path…around those Georgia stones…

              • Ourself Ourself

                Yes, it is about money, stature and power. But the fact is, they're willing to indiscriminately mass murder people, even in first world countries, for these reasons. That's exactly what's happening.

                You say it's not about killing people, okay, fine, but regardless, they're definitely WILLING to indiscriminately sacrifice you. I personally don't see much difference. Lets say you're walking down the street and someone kills you for the sake of killing you. Now lets compare that with someone killing you because they want your wallet. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?! YOU'RE DEAD.

                Also, what about depleted uranium use? You think that's not about indiscriminately killing people? It obviously is.


                  @Ourself: you're obviously missing the point. Fukushima is an industrial calamity that's now effecting the entire planet. Explain how the elite would risk the health of themselves and their families (yes…unlike the rumors of alien invasion, they are human and do procreate), by allowing the indiscriminate contamination of the planet's biosphere?

                  When you've learned the difference between mass genocide and gang violence, we'll address your feeble analogy. In the interim, nebulous claims that someone, or some group, is out to kill-off the world's (so-called) 'excess' populations is not evidence that it's actually happening! Until you're able to provide real proof (other than some tired AJ rant) that such 'de-pop' programs are underway, I'd advise restraint before joining-in of the sky-is-falling circle jerk…

                  • Ourself Ourself

                    When did I say they had an antidote? When did I say aliens are involved? When have I ever mentioned Alex Jones? You're a presumptuous asshole.

                    "Explain how the elite would risk the health of themselves and their families, by allowing the indiscriminate contamination of the planet's biosphere?"

                    Explain how?! Is there not indiscriminate contamination of the planet's biosphere? Why yes there is!!!

                    The fact they're building more nuclear plants is proof that they're willing to contaminate the biosphere. They have other options, but they still choose nuclear even though they know full well what it does.

                    There's also more nuclear testing going on, which doesn't just contaminate the environment, it also rips holes in the ozone layer. They know about this, too.

                    Also, DU use, which you ignored. They know what this does, too.

                    They're wrecking the whole damn planet, not just with what I've mentioned, but other things too, such as fracking. There's countless examples, I can go on and on.

                    All of this is being done willingly. They're choosing this. What part of this do you not understand?

                    • PurpleRain PurpleRain

                      They are doing much of this on purpose. We keep getting idiots like Michele Bachmann who keeps hoping to bring on the Rapture! Probably the same with many of these jerks!

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @Ourself: apparently, you've overlooked the site administrator's admonition against rude and/or personal attacks. I'll refrain from taking this personally, as it's likely you've emigrated from less disciplined discussion groups.

                      Moving on. The fact that there's indiscriminate contamination of the environment does not translate to a conspiracy to kill-off the population. Again, I'll reiterate that there – is – a conspiracy to keep what's happening at Fukushima, on the 'down low'. That there will be astronomical losses in both human and related lifeforms, doesn't mean Fukushima's being used to depopulate the planet. Other, more focused mechanisms would be used to 'pare-down' the global population.

                      I'll not waste the readers valuable time by further decomposing your flaccid 'arguments'. It's obvious you've a penchant for conflating incidents and the observations of others, to justify your world view; a tendency that not-too-surprisingly, proliferates within the very industry we're working to shutdown.

                      P.S. that you knew the meaning of my reference to "AJ", and his incessant de-pop rants, says volumes. That I make a point of knowing and exposing who's selling these ideas, only hints to my objectives…

                    • Ourself Ourself

                      If knowing who AJ is says volumes about me, it likewise says volumes about you. If you were as astute as you claim, you would have seen the hypocrisy in that statement.

                      It would seem that your objective is to ridicule anybody who suggests that de-pop may be involved. While I appreciate that you are anti-nuclear, I definitely do not appreciate your condescending attitude. That attitude, not-too-surprisingly, proliferates within the very industry we're working to shutdown.

                  • Questionit

                    You ask "Explain how the elite would risk the health of themselves and their families"

                    Here are some examples:
                    GMO's being allowed and protected
                    Fracking – (I have personal experience)
                    BP oil spill and corexit effects being covered up
                    And here is one – the coverup and delays in acting regarding the Fuku accident and add to that one the knowing act of allowing some of these plants to operate in an unsafe manner due to original construction or poor maintenance or site location.

                    I cannot explain why they have such short term vision or why they do not consider their children or grandchildren but they are willing to put their own at risk as long as it is not direct or the effects are not immediate.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Come on group the elite could give two shits about this planet, the ecosystem or biosphere and if that is not obvious by now then we are all blind to our current reality. 🙁

                      If you can't hang dollar bills on it then it shall not move forward.. 🙁

                      Smile because Nuclear Radiation Contamination is really good for you! 🙂

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @Questionit: the powerful have been desecrating the earth for thousands of years. They look upon their own existence as being finite, and act accordingly. In answer to your list of environmental violations, you can believe, the first toilets were installed within the big house on the hill, and far from their dining rooms. The powerful have always had the means to isolate themselves from that which we all have to suffer through. But Fukushima's a game changer. As the decades roll on, the elite will find fewer and fewer lobsters, worthy of their insatiable pallets. Within but a decade or two, their children will be found nestled comfortably, within the same burning pyres as ours. Justice has finally unfurled her wings and she's taking no prisoners…

                    • jump-ball jump-ball

                      "Explain how the elite would risk the health of themselves and their families …by allowing the indiscriminate contamination of the planet's biosphere?

                      Ourself and Questionit:

                      The elite risked their own and everyone else's health because they were 1) paid millions to construct ill-designed nuclear systems, and 2) they allowed money to obscure rational, logical, technical and their otherwise professional evaluation of the real risks

                  • We Not They Finally

                    Aftershock, you actually need to STOP! You didn't like a curse word, but it was after you called Ourself "feeble" and "a jerk." Get it together. The world is actually a bigger place than your own head.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    Aftershock, I think TPTB are too stupid to realize their collective actions will have the consequence of killing or maiming millions. Or else they are not sane, delusional, or so insulated from reality they cannot grasp the consequences of their actions. Perhaps utterly devoid of conscience.

                    Nuclear history for the past 70 years is a good case in point.

                    The William J. Casey defense of "I don't recall," echoed by so many defendants or those protecting their reputations, avoiding prosecution, just won't suffice.

                    I think we're all more or less agreeing, although our use of language may differ.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @HoTaters: BIG HELLO! Hope you and yours have a wonderful Christmas. We're living through sad times, but such conditions shouldn't prevent us from honoring the better part of the human species.

                      I love the Casey thing. A true work of 'art' was he! I would differ on your take of the power-elite. Though characteristically selfish, they're far from from being stupid. On the contrary, my sources reveal they're all building survivalist retreats; replete with defensive forces and lots of canned Spam. I don't think it's in response to Fukushima. It's likely they're preparing for upcoming social instabilities. With this in mind, it should be evident that these 'people' are not disconnected from the issues. They'll simply remain silent when in the public eye (media), so's not to feed the public's suspicions that something wicked this way comes. As to your alternative summation of their character, I don't think they're devoid of anything more than what most commoners exhibit themselves. The only difference is, they've the means to pursue their dreams, while we must suffer the consequences of those that morph into nightmares.

                      So good to hear from you! Though I'm in the background, I often read your phenomenal posts; some of which make me sad. So I pray that the goddess keeps you strong in spirit and heals that which tempers the soul…

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      thought you'd get a kick out of this…

                      "…Inside the $11.5million nuclear-proof doomsday bunker that was built to look like an ordinary family home…"


                  • deaddolphins simonhhh

                    Aftershock and ourself…you have both overlooked one simple that may "in-part" explain the hideous actions of the elite vicariously "in control"…you are dealing with serious pathological personality types…
                    some sick demented cross-over twilight zone between psychopath and sociopath…these sick puppies do NOT have normal empathy… they'd eat their own if they could derive some benefit!!!

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Ourself, I agree with you in the context of multigenerational banking families, and wealthy members some of whom inherited $$ or made it through industry — wanting to profit from starting wars.

                  We've seen this time and time again. The same people (families) are usually involved, and supplies arms and weaponry, soldiers, to all sides of the conflicts.

                  Millions of troops have likely died in these conflicts, maybe going back to the American Revolution or thereabouts (in time), plus millions of innocent civilians slaughtered.

                  Am not sure a "depopulation agenda" is underway, but lots of people are getting hurt and dying as a result of what the "military industrial complex" is doing.

                  Several here have argued there's no point in killing everyone off, because then those who lust for power, money, status would have nothing left and no one to prey upon.

                  I've thought a lot about this, and I'd have to agree with the paragraph above. Add a great deal of stupidity and inbreeding to the formula, and it makes for quite a social and economic mess. And a great deal of suffering.

                  Hopefully people all over the world will awaken to whom their masters are, and throw off the ancient yokes of bondage. We truly need to start over, in terms of how we live, how we use energy and resources. We need a world w/o wars & constant killing.

                  Whether or not humans are capable of this, I'm not sure.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    Perhaps when we've reached the level of massive starvation, death, warfare, and the death of several hundred million people in a short period of time (or God forbid, billions) there will be some new form of social engineering.

                    My personal opinion is we're probably near the point where the earth cannot sustain a larger population. But in the type of society and resource use scenario I envision, there would be enough for all. Everyone could live, and a the current population w/o expansion could be sustained.

                    Resource allocation is all screwed up at this point, let's face it. A lot of people in underdeveloped nations starve and needlessly die of curable diseases.

                    I'm not a proponent of "wealth redistribution." However, I think we could, in correcting structural economic problems, help promote smaller economic units, where local people could develop sustainable industries. Whether or not it would be good to trade with others at a great distance away, I'm not sure.

                    But I like the idea of local currencies, eating local, local manufacturing. Think small. That appeals to me a lot.

                    Have studied microloan programs and sustainable development for underdeveloped nations, plus ideas for local trade & currency models.

                    So that's where I'm coming from. It's do-able, but will require a lot of thought and co-operation. Hoping the better side of human nature will prevail!

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      Hmmn … and actually the term "social engineering" bothers me. When the control is fixed at a more local or regional level, there isn't the need for all the "social engineering" efforts. Things just blossom and develop in a healthy manner, w/o the need for interference.

                      Ah, but I wax philosophical here. To date, mankind has never been able to put in place the kind of social structure I envision, except in a few local areas.

                      Pre-industrial peoples were more successful at doing it. But am not advocating going back to the Stone Age, either.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    I meant add stupidity and inbreeding to the lust for money, power, control, and greed in general (among those in power), and you have a recipe for disaster. Which we currently have ….

                    The other day I said I think a lot of the leaders are just delusional, perhaps not psychopaths or sociopaths, per se. But many of them might be delusional psychopaths or delusional sociopaths. Many of them certainly don't seem to have any grasp of reality outside of their little, well insulated social bubbles.

                    • deaddolphins simonhhh

                      Ho Taters…I think you've nailed with…
                      "…I meant add stupidity and inbreeding to the lust for money, power, control, and greed in general, among those in power, and you have a recipe for disaster. Which we currently have …."
                      Only to add, I believe the anthropocentric or the human supremacy era has reached its absolute limits…it didn't have to end this way…but it has…As a race of "intelligent" [sic] apes…we have finally discovered a genie to destroy all life…that invisible barrier has now been crossed…a deadly conclusion drawn…the universe won't even notice the human DNA experiment failed abysmally…

          • Ourself Ourself

            Jokes aside, you just conveniently ignored everything I said, except for the depopulation part. They wouldn't indiscriminately kill people in first world countries? Really? What exactly are they doing, then?

            Antidote this, asshole!

            • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

              Is the U.S. still even considered a first world country?


              @Ourself: be advised, you're in violation of the sites admonition against rude and/or personal attacks. [see admin rules below Submit Comment button] As you're new to the scene, I'll not hold you responsible for this lack of posting etiquette.

              You should know that while we may differ on the issues, the members of this site greatly appreciate civility and respect for one another. Unless you have a complete disregard for the sensibilities of others, I'd advise leaving the muddy boots outside…

              • Ourself Ourself

                You made an attack against me, AFTERSHOCK. You labeled me a conspiracy theorist, you were making fun of me, saying how I think they have some antidote, which I've never claimed. I've never mentioned Alex Jones. I've never mentioned aliens. You're making wild claims about me and I'm pissed off. I'm defending myself.

                Even now, you're acting like I just started lashing out, out of nowhere. No, I was responding to your ignorant statements.

                You should take your own advice. Maybe you should practice restraint. So you may disagree with me, okay, but that doesn't mean you have to be ignorant.


                  @Ourself: as I advised earlier, you need to take a deep breath. Rather than overreact to what you deem is a personal attack, go back and re-read the thread. You may discover, no personal attack was made on your persons. That you (or any other) might construe what's being posted within an ongoing discussion as a personal attack, is not within my (or…any others) control.

                  Regarding claims that you're being disparaged by my cogent arguments (obviously…my take), again, you are advised to re-read the threaded post for their context. Attempts to use out-of-context wording from another party, either indicates a lack of reading comprehension skills (concentration and/or limited vocabulary) or worse…a vindictive character.

                  Until you've resolved this apparent inability to follow the bouncing ball, how are any of us to know which way your fur is running…

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    I am pretty sure we all know which way his fur is running…

                    This Massive Largest Nuclear Industrial Accident to ever happen on the face of this Earth was predicted in the very beginning.

                    The fact that they went forward anyways knowing the consequences of such actions, makes them "all" guilty of horrendous crimes against humanity/biological life.

                    This fact is not up for any type/form of discussion.. 🙁

                    This is not progress my friends.

                    Let's all be clear here! 🙁

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @obewanspeaks: that 'they' remained silent in the face of these ongoing revelations does not mean this is an effort to depopulate the planet. The distinction must be clarified. Otherwise, myths will be used to explain-away the obvious incompetence of the nuclear power industry…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Sorry, I do not think you or I know what agendas are moving forward on this world stage or even why.

                      You and I do not have the security clearances my friend..

                      After seeing all this Nuclear Folly going on, I would not discount anything regarding any depopulation agendas. 🙁

                  • Ourself Ourself

                    I may have been more disruptive than I should have been, but you're not free of fault.

                    "Fortunately, it's not often, but you'll see people putting such crap up-on the discussion boards."

                    I had never claimed that it is a depopulation scheme, I was merely suggesting that it's possible and is the only logical conclusion I've been able to come to. I shared some of my reasoning behind it, but you didn't discuss that or comment on it, all you did was attack me.

                    "Until you're able to provide real proof (other than some tired AJ rant)"

                    I was speculating and I openly admit it. I don't owe you any proof.

                    "How could they not undermine themselves with indiscriminate decimation of the population? They couldn't and as such…wouldn't! Of course, they'll be some bellicose asshole in the back row who'll loudly suggest, "…but they have the antidote!" Antidote this…"

                    In fact, you're the one who would need to show proof, because you're claiming that it's not depopulation. You're not speculating, you're talking as if it's fact, so… where's your proof?

                    Also, you insulted people who believe that they do have an antidote. I don't believe that they do, but nothing would surprise me at this point. Where's your proof of them not having an antidote?

                    Also, lastly, you're saying now that you didn't attack me, that it's all in my head. It's obviously not. The fact that you're saying it is shows that you're still attacking me.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @Ourself: glad to see you're calming down. Moving on. If I look to your opening statement, "I personally believe that they're responding the way they are because they want depopulation.", runs counter to your words that, "I had never claimed that it is a depopulation scheme, I was merely suggesting that it's possible…" Now, some of my best friends out here are those who I've had serious battles with. Hopefully, we'll find resolution and move-on towards more productive dialog.

                      Regarding questions that I "…show proof, because [I'm] claiming that it's not depopulation." It's impossible to prove a negative. I'm far too astute to be trapped into providing evidence for something, I'm claiming…does not exist!

                      As you're willing to acknowledge that you were only "…speculating and I openly admit it.", we can both shove-off to more productive waters…

                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      When governments raise acceptable radiation levels, they do so knowing that more people will die, especially the very young and very old. The deaths of these people will result in depopulation.

                      This is not a debatable point in 2013.

                    • We Not They Finally

                      Ourself, unfortunately, whatever Aftershock thinks, we ARE getting depopulated — about to be big-time! However it happened, even through arrogantly reckless negligence, it's HERE.

                      And there is evidence for that EVERYWHERE.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @NoNukes: it was an economic decision. They knew they'd have to declare an international state of emergency while disclosing at the same time, that the breadbasket for the entire U.S. was no longer suitable for farming. That many will die as a result of these cold hearted decision is not up for dispute. But again, they were not made as means to murdering-off the global population. They were made to shore-up an already shaky global economy, while protecting their sacred nuclear cow…

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      NoNukes that is the problem with this "Nuclear Folly" since it has now trapped billions of humans in conditions that should not even exist.

                      They had no choice but to "raise all the limits" since they knew that they were going to go up and there was absolutely nothing they could do to prevent such a thing/increase from happening.

                      This is the problem you identified and why the entire Nuclear Industry must be shut down before they do more unwanted damage to our only planet and/or trap anymore humans in detrimental state/conditions just like guinea pigs under the guise of promoting more progress. 🙁

                      None of this is progress!

                      This condition is the exact opposite of progress! 🙁

                    • Ourself Ourself

                      @AFTERSHOCK: Okay, just to wrap this up, then… Saying you believe something is not the same as saying it's a fact. I can say that I believe the work at #4 is a front, for example, but that doesn't mean I'm claiming it as an irrefutable fact, nor does it mean that it's not true. It's simply an opinion.

                      @WNTF & NoNukes: I agree with you guys completely.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @Ourself: agreed on your 12:59pm post. All of us are prone to stepping over the line that separates facts from conjecture, so I'm totally with you there. I've learned that productive friendships are often forged in fiery fire. Keep up the good fight!

                    • unincredulous unincredulous

                      Maybe it is the wealth and wherewithal to build shelters and store food that is the closest thing to an "antidote" that one may have. Ourself may have bean mistaken for me. I respect Alex Jones for being upset and speaking out. He is not a frog to go quietly into a boiling death. I'm sure Alex seems to go overboard at times, but most of the articles on his website are well worth considering, even if dismissed as "conspiracy theory."

                      I hope my bringing up that antidote idea did not cause this little feud. I have no evidence of an antidote. I merely brought up the idea maybe a week ago to try to grasp the inaction of people with wealth to attack the problem head-on. Maybe they think they can survive better than others with their resources and just don't mind making things "shitty in general" for biological survival knowing that if anyone can weather the storm they will be the ones to come out on top. This kind of thinking has worked for eons, but maybe they crossed the line with this nuclear crap. Again, my apologies if my talk of an antidote caused any confusion. I myself have had some rough spells and thrown a couple of stones. But let us remember who the real enemy is and not fight amongst ourselves. The real enemy will break his face from smiling so big, when we do.

                    • unincredulous unincredulous

                      Before I went to college, I didn't know what a "run-on" sentence was. One of the last things I was told, in college, was to not let college change me. Whether or not my instructor was "messing around" I don't know.

                      Anyway, I have mastered run-on sentences now. I apologize if I upset anyone with poor grammar. I actually had to use spell check to spell grammar correctly. When we all have mental IQs in the 10s and the clouds of radioisotopes are fogging our glasses, many will see what I have: It's really a bunch of nonsense. All is vanity.

                      As long as you can fill out an application to build a new nuclear plant, you'll be ok.

                  • We Not They Finally

                    Aftershock, if you personally happened to get killed off indiscriminately just for breathing air or drinking water in the wrong place, THEN can we have a nice talk? Oh, I forgot. You'd be dead.

                    The problem isn't other people's rudeness. It's your own arrogance.

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @WNTF: I'll only respond this one time by saying, you (and your spouse) have lost the privilege to discuss any issues with me. You've been apprised of this loss on prior occasions. Over the last four months, I've avoided stepping into any of your ongoing discussions. Therefore, I would very-much appreciate your honoring the fact that I have no interest in dealing with either of you. (I don't even read 'your' posts!)

                      As I've clearly stated in the past, any further communiques within this public forum from either of you to me, are considered harassment and will be treated as such. I'll refrain from reporting this recent violation to admin, as he's likely involved with important issues. Let's kindly continue avoiding 'one' another…

                    • bf9 Fitz

                      I realize I'm new here, nor am I superior (in fact intellectually inferior in all probability), and I don't know any of you, but EVERYONE bickering at each other needs to stop right now. We are all on the same team here, and everyone needs to walk away from this nonsense. Absolutely nothing is going to be accomplished by it and it may in fact *turn people away from this site* which we can all agree is not a good thing. Please, stop to everyone. We don't need any more cards stacked against us.

                      Here's an e-beer for everyone from myself. Let's stay focused and chill.

                    • jump-ball jump-ball

                      AFTERSHOCK to WNTF: "(you) have lost the privilege to discuss any issues with me…"

                      HEY AS: Subject to behavioral rules, EneNews is an open forum, and neither WNTF, Ourself, Questionit, myself, or any others have 'lost' (according to your judgment) the privilege to address you or any on-topic issue.

                      Please include us, and all other newsers, out of your presumptuous, self-appointed 'gatekeeper' restrictions and denials…

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      @jump-ball: good to see you're in such good spirits. You should know, it is your right to respond to whomever and whatever you'd like. However, doing so in a manner that violates this site's posting protocol is not optional. Regardless of the reasons, if and when you find anyone in violation of those posting advisories, you are free to alert the egregious party of their unwelcome activities. If such notice fails, you are advised to bring said violations to the attention of the site's administrator. If you're having a problem with any of my posts (including my reminder to WNTF), please feel free to notify admin of same. Otherwise, you risk being perceived by others as being nothing more than an irritant…

                • lickerface lickerface

                  Aftershock, I know you are an older member here, but I've got to side with Ourself here. I had theorized that depopulation was a real agenda (harder to prove otherwise), and this was before I even knew who the hell AJ was. I had been accused of being a conspiracy theorist who is also an AJ follower. I would take that as a personal attack, just as I did when I was called that in the past upon learning who AJ was. It is not "cool" to accuse people of being conspiracy theorists anymore, nor is it ok to troll with mentioning AJ as being a commenter's drive for their opinions. It is very narrow to assume there's an AJ school of thought which is responsible for creating certain viewpoints. We all have the capacity to think for ourselves…

                  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                    @lickerface: you are correct in your admonitions. Drawing such parallels as I did, does an injustice to my point. Though AJ is big on selling the depopulation agenda, it's unfair to use such associations as argument. I genuinely appreciate the punch in the arm…

                  • unincredulous unincredulous

                    Alex Jones is just alright with me.

                    Seems to be a conspiracy sometimes to bad mouth AJ. "Oh, you like Alex Jones!" "Ahhhh, that is so mean, you take that back" "You are a conspiracy theorist!" Am not!" "Are too!"

                    As far as AJ goes, you can both shove that attitude.

                    It's not a question of IF a conspiracy exists; the question is WHERE it exists and who will PROSECUTE the perps.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      No prosecution going on… 🙁

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      notice, unincredulous, how Alex avoids pointing directly to who's really calling the shots? His gig is to highlight the 'technologists' as the behind the scenes culprits. But I ask the obvious, who's signing their checks?

            • jonnyboy jonnyboy

              i agree you need a deep breath…..

              the reason its all being unspoken is to prevent the financial catastrphy that will happen when cities and countries evacuate….. the status quo, is trying very hard to keep things….. status quo……

              in these times, thinking for yourself and family are all we have…


        • sentinelle sentinelle

          In support of the depopulation theory – the "1st World" countries consume the most of the earth's natural resources that are not renewable or easily renewed.

          Nuclear energy's primary function is for the military's use. I don't think the placements of NPP are accidental or neglectful, but fully intended and strategic.

      • Radiation is not a good way to depopulate.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Great thread and we are on the same team, so let's all play nicely and its no secret that depopulation has had a massive ongoing agenda since the early 1900's.

          Fukushima will speed things/this process up nicely…

          • We Not They Finally

            Thank you for that input. Though I think all the way back then, it was pretty much the banksters and the early industrialists, and it was about money, not deliberately poisoning people's health. Everything overtly horrendously anti-human seems more to have taken hold not just through Nazi Germany, but the whole long aftermath until now. The Project Paper Clip crowd comes to the U.S.

            The reality seems to be that most humans have NO IDEA HOW TO DEFUSE POWER. The mystery is just, why would they also kill THEMSELVES, since they too have a human genome. Or so we think they should realize. But that's honestly unclear. Maybe they just think that tech advances are for THEM and will save THEM.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Yes, they are making money hand over fist pushing for the new hi-tech to save them.. 🙁

              They can/will be able afford it when it comes and I/others can't!


          precisely stock. Those of us who've long studied this subject matter (and I have since early childhood), know full-well, there are a host of more focused means to reducing populations; some humane…others not so humane. Thinking that Fukushima's now been integrated into such objective, is wildly speculative and threatens to undermine the intellectual credibility of those who are attempting to bring this catastrophe to the forefront of public awareness. None should stand idly-by and allow such speculation to go unchallenged. Otherwise, such unfounded theory will be used to misrepresent the hard work of those who struggle to bring the truth to light!

          • We Not They Finally

            I don't even "get" what you are saying. The same crowd keeps doing the same things over and over again, only yet more horrendous and destructive, and you think that nothing has any connection? That's not even a logical place to start.

            What I've always wondered is that why, culturally, does everyone always talk about "they"? If there really is no "they," than why does THE WHOLE ENTIRE CULTURE do it?

            Just take a walk "outside the box." Then maybe (whatever is going on inside) you won't SOUND quite so pompous and arrogant.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Blogging has its limits, miscommunication is rampant. The question; is Fukushima a planned depopulation scheme? No, to 99% confidence. Is it an unplanned depopulation event? Yes, to 100% confidence. Is human depopulation a good thing for the other life forms on earth? Yes, no doubt about it.

            I got a chance to talk to a news reporter recently. While intriguing conspiracy must be rampant in all the various cabals, it turns out that most people are lost in their own vision of truth, unwittingly supporting the mass trends. Many frackers, druggers, nukers, and reporters dont consider the dire results of the status quo. I think the human brain is not geared to perceive cause and effect on large scales


              @CodeShutdown: again, with the spot one observations. I would differ with your closing thought. You're proof that some can see the big picture…and not melt down in the process…

            • lickerface lickerface

              It may not have been a PLANNED depopulation scheme, but they DID know the dangers 100% a long time ago. Because of this, they would have planned for the inevitable decline in the population, many times over. Whether they planned to use this technology to kill before or after it actually had happened doesn't matter. The same result is happening (depopulation) because they are allowing it. Someone here said:

              "They look upon their own existence as being finite, and act accordingly."

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                lickerface, whats wrong with depopulation? Why are the overbloated, self absorbed killer monkeys so aghast at the idea? But the idea that Fukushima was the planned depopulation scheme does matter, in the discussion. Chances are, dollar signs and world domination via bombs ruled the thinking, not depopulation. I dont know how good the scientists and government/corporate/banker types communicate. How does it help to say the elites set off Fukushima to reduce the human population?


                @lickerface: they haven't "planned" for the inevitable. They're accepting (and doubtless re-writing their play book) for what's inevitable. And I'd suggest that it's important to distinguish between between what's suspected and what's evident. We all suspect (more like know from history), these 'people' think nothing of murdering hundreds-of-millions of innocent souls. They've done it in the past and still do. Equally of interest, when we examine the infrastructure that's necessary to their power, we find an evolving technocracy running like clockwork in the background. Under no circumstances would they risk destroying that support; that is, until such time as that support becomes superfluous. With the above in mind, this is why I argue that random depopulation is not a part of their plans. On the contrary, Fukushima may very-well bring their towers down…

      • tsfw tsfw

        It seems to me, from what I have interpreted in here, is that the situation has no real solutions and that is why they have to cover it up to this degree. It's one thing to tell the general public that we are in a seriously volatile scenario, and it's another to admit to us that it's volatile with no end or resolution in sight.

        Maybe it's best that way- look at how people have handled issues of less importance in the past …riots just because a certain team lost. I don't trust humanity to handle this information well, do you?

        • Ourself Ourself

          Well, as I said, won't it be worse to cover it up? You can't cover it up, this elephant is simply too big to fit under a rug. When people find out what's going on, especially once their family gets sicks, many of them are going to flip out.

          The fact they're doing nothing but lying about it makes it even more maddening. This is my reasoning for thinking depopulation might be involved. It just doesn't make sense any other way. It is speculation, but I admit it's speculation – I'm just trying to understand it.

          The logical solution would be to have some international concerted effort. They're not doing this. Why?

          • Ourself Ourself

            If they had been honest and had shown some type of effort to help mitigate the disaster, people wouldn't be happy about it, but the way they've chosen to go about it, people are going to be outraged, to put it lightly.

          • tsfw tsfw

            I hear what you're saying, I've thought about that as well and nothing would surprise me at this point. But maybe they have picked the greatest minds about this. It's not like they're going to admit that they have been doing their best behind the scenes, but we're all going down. Seems to me as though they're handling this like a hopeless situation. Just telling the public what would happen if there is another large earthquake near Fuku would be enough to heighten the public's anxiety. Can you imagine what would happen if on the 6 oclock news tonight, they told everyone how dire this all is? People will know eventually of course, but they will try to downplay it until the end; they need the roads clear and riot free to make it to their safe zones.

        • zogerke zogerke

          chris busby showing the process of coverup and the efforts to fight it

      • We Not They Finally

        Ourself, people post so much below each other, hard to see where to jump in!

        People should NOT be so hard on you. And I'm fine with coming to your defense.

        I mean, just look at America. The industrial base got dismantled and people's living wages go down, down, down, so we can become "competitive" with Mexico, India, and the Far East. The interests doing this have no special feeling that first world people more deserve to live than anyone else! And there are no protections built in — to the contrary, the global trade agreements have been disastrous.

        Then look at Monsanto, and chemtrails, and misuse of HAARP. Plus of course radioactivity. If there is not a massive attempt to sicken, poison, and dumb down people EVERYWHERE, than what?

        There was a scene in "Schindler's List" where a young woman engineer who was dragged to a concentration camp, saw that what she was building wouldn't stand and told the guard. She was warned not to speak up — that she could be killed. She said, "But we're their work force. Why would they kill their work force?"

        So she told the guard that the structure was unsound. He asked was she educated at university? She brightly answered, "Yes." Bang-bang, she was dead.

        It almost doesn't matter whether you call it an "agenda" or a "conspiracy." We're "expendable"! That's conspiratorial enough for me.

      • Wright South West Wright South West

        I’m new to enenews but have been reading it for a while and have admired the respectful discussions here. Thank you everyone for helping me get up to speed.

        This opinion is of course just my opinion but for capitalism to work they need little people maybe to crush but not kill?….at least not indiscriminately. The pyramid scheme that is capitalism just doesn’t work if you don’t have consumers to do the buying and people to actually do the work. Who going to build Elysium for them if they kill off all the people that work? 🙂

        It’s all a calculated risk on their part where if they can make big money and maybe they only kill a few people along the way to met their need for big piles of money …well that’s an acceptable risk they are willing to take apparently.

        I was just watching “Blackfish” on netflix last night. The killer whale “ Tilikum” had a track record of killing and hurting trainers but Tilikum was a cash cow for Sea world so it was an acceptable risk to put the trainers at risk but no their capital. Of course most the trainers had no idea of the whales past history. People that are greedy for money must be able to disconnect the empathy part of their minds or maybe they are just that way at birth. These are certainly interesting times we live in.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Great points! Surely these are very interesting times we are living in.. 🙂

          Not sure Rome ever went away though… 🙁


            those points, obewanspeaks, are spot on! Her/His perspective is nothing less than that of one who sees the "big picture". Hopefully, she/he will continue sharing…

    • ftlt

      DGH: This sounds like for the first time they are releasing confirmation that the radiation (corium too???) is actually in a layered aquifer below the units..

      This is different than before IMO

      The term groundwater has been sloshed about loosely regarding FUFU in the media, professional guotes and on here..

      Before, the the reports from observation wells seemed – to me – to be monitoring surface applied cooling waters in the surface's water table that had become saturated (due to leakage from the units)…

      These were rising because to the amount leaked cooling water exceeded the evapotranspiration rate and outflow rate of the soils on the site… (a good thing in a sense – meaning = they could recapture some of the toxic leakage from the units – because the areas soils seem somewhat impermeable )

      Soils lacking permeability is a good thing here at FUFU…

  • Ontological Ontological

    Yes science FACT is what is necessary here. My question is, not so much amounts already "leaked", but how much actual tonnage per year is washing off the corium, from groundwater/cooling efforts?

    • Ourself Ourself

      Has TEPCO even confessed that the corium ran away yet?

      • Not a peep, at least not officially. A few folks hinted that there MAY be something in the soil, but nothing official and definite.

        No plutonium either, no loss of cores (#3), no spent fuel pool meltdowns,

        Pretty much a 100% whitewash and coverup still to this day.. almost 3 years in.

        Pretty good for a propaganda campaign.. 96-99% of the world thinks Fuku is in cold shutdown, nothing happened.

        • lickerface lickerface

          And they're covering it up maybe because they're psychopaths who don't mind a bunch of the people of the world dying off. I really am starting to think this is truly a depopulation effort, especially with the recent "mystery illness" we've all been getting from simply walking outside.

          Oh, and running water at my home was 62 CPM by the way… this was when we had 79 CPM average (PRM-9000, 20-sec avg window) indoors during the rains early this morning. I'm not saying that was purposefully done to the water supply, but I'm sure TPTB knew it was happening. We were not warned of this possibility and it's the same criminal act of them injecting it. Same result. No disclosure after an accident causes harm.

  • Ontological Ontological

    I guess EQ reports are a part of those no no's in the news permitted out of Japan. ~>
    F-E Region: Near East Coast of Honshu, Japan
    Time: 2013-12-21 01:34:11.1 UTC
    Magnitude: 5.6
    Epicenter: 140.48°E 35.61°N
    Depth: 10 km
    Status: A – automatic

    The goddess of the mountain is giggling to herself again. Have to wonder how hard these quakes actually rattle the corium.

    • Kashiko Kashiko

      Maybe we will be lucky and one of the quakes will open up the ground and swallow the coriums

      • Ontological Ontological

        One issue when you consider how the corium keeps melting without cooling, is how far down the volcanic tubes below are. Would be quite the surprise to have magma or pumice erupt. Then again a good volcano might clean up the mess nicely.
        In point: If Fukushima was a volcano true total co-operation by the government would have happened. All the EQ drills that were required in the past would have led to immediate action. People would be frightened by a volcano, and could plainly see, and understand the oncoming disaster. There would be no need to hide it, there isn't any money to be made from plutonium in such an emergency, so an immediate outcry for cash donations would soon follow.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        No, I am pretty sure that we as a species have run out of..luck! 🙁

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Well, that wasn't really so hard to admit, was it, TEPCO. 😉

    Corium melted into the mudrock.
    Leaving behind corium lava tubes.
    Groundwater flows through the corium lava tubes, picking up nuclear debris, contaminating the Ocean.
    Groundwater ends at a less permeable mudrock or sandstone layer at a depth of about 100'.
    This is the lower boundary of the surface aquifer.
    The Impermeable Wall, as far as it was constructed, was driven into the less permeable rock layer.
    If the Impermeable Wall had been constructed completely around Reactors1-4, the groundwater would flow…
    Around the Ruins, rather than through the ruins.
    A thousand tonnes of water a day runs under the FDNPP, is contaminated, and into the Pacific Ocean.
    As a result, the Pacific Ocean is dying.
    This isn't rocket science.
    The big lie is unraveling faster and faster.
    Corium flowed out of the plants and into the rock.
    257 tonnes from Cores1-3.
    Releasing 690PBq of cesium into the environment.

    Did you think everybody had just forgotten about the missing cores, TEPCO?

    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      'Did you think everybody had just forgotten about the missing cores, TEPCO?'

      Um, yeah. I think that they really have forgotten; either that, or they actually do remember the corium, but in the simple nature actually believe that they're getting away with lying about an ELE and that nobody else remembers what is potentially THE deciding factor in this piece-of-shit-of-a-'cleanup'.

  • Angela_R

    I have been following this map of Japan:
    Please note the current reading for Fukushima is 141,000 nSv, with a few other high readings surrounding it. These readings are in nanosieverts, non milli or micro. Check out against the many readings that are only around 50 nSv. (also nanosieverts)
    Yesterday the reading was also very high @ 138,000 nSv.

    We need to pray, first for the people there, then for others.

    • Ontological Ontological

      @ AR The source you linked of RAD data has shown much higher readings in the past, this was a low day actually, the wind must have been moderate at the time. Been 3 years of this as of the Ides of March 2014.

      • Angela_R

        Thanks Ontological. I checked back and found that between June 6th and July 7th 2011, there was a reading of 206,000 nSv.

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      That's odd. The link obviously worked for other people but when I try it, it leads me the In House Cultural Journal.

      • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

        Hmmm, strange. I'm getting the same page. Maybe I'm not a good 'internet work guy' and we just have to navigate the site until we find the map.

    • AllenH AllenH (Scary, but not alarming !?)

      I looked at the radiation map today, Fuku dianni and Shima are level 1 only, equal to backgroud radiation. What a joke it is.

  • Angela_R

    ps how does one ensure that these readings are not mistakes.
    correction to link

    • Ontological Ontological

      The readings are as real as the rain which deposits these nasty little goodies all over our gardens, pasture lands, and water supplies! Holy Bucky Balls Batman, this milk is self pasteurizing, what a time saver!

    • jec jec

      These readings are as real as the authorities allow them to be. Go to NETC look at the same locations, look at the month data. Look at the graphs, which are carefully manipulated. At a long interval the STEPS of the graph are not seen, it looks normal, but lookng at short term, one sees perfect steps, 50 60 140,000..etc,not a true data collection graph.

    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      Cool, thanks for that – this link shows up correctly.

      • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

        I can kind of understand the ostriches with their heads in the sand right about now; I always get a feeling of dread on these types of maps – I just want to close the tab and run as far away as possible from the computer, followed by a couple of days of rocking back and forth in a fetal position…

  • tbg

    Follow the money. Who's making money off tepco not letting anyone else in and holding the site, with their 1993 cask and millions a week budget? I dont see millions a week efforts or technology. Most corporations would be happy to drop responsibility unless they were making money off the continued stalling.

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Watching NHK around noon Pacific time today, I was amazed to see the candor of this admission. I give thanks for this, finally, but due to the past record, I still must wonder about the veracity of their current admissions.

    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      Don't worry, did they resume the cooking shows soon after the admission? Move along, nothing to see here. I would be highly skeptical of NHK (as I'm sure you are already) seeing as (another poster commented) they supposedly have a stake in TEPCO, plus are a national broadcaster (read: mouthpiece for the government). No matter how honest, truthful or helpful they may seem, they are the epitomy of a political agenda.

      They have some good variety and cooking shows, though.

      • Just like PBS, non stop 24 hour a day cooking and creative shows.. but not a peep about Fukushima.

        And all things nuclear are good and holy on PBS and NPR.

        They feature pro nuclear propaganda films as a rule.

        • ftlt

          The decline of NPR is traceable back to the Clinton regime period… When the Newt gang started its assault on it…

          Bush fixed it – but good..

          It has since been quasi-privatized and canned into a Yuppie Globalist Propaganda radio and TV – a glitzy vapid series of empty shows and productions … The numbers of CEOs on there for this or that is amazing… And the wanker think-tank talking heads are putrid too.. ( where do they get these knobs???)

          The Yuppie class sins committed on there are outrageous..

          One the of the most glaring ones is and it is repeated over and over, are the lamenting pieces and references to H.S. teenagers (only the select ones seem to be counted) who are struggling with their college prep work loads or what premier college they are planning to attend – like there are no other high school students in America with issues… This on drives me up the wall… It is like, the rest of America is not even out there..

          And of course everything for Israel too… A must on National Zionist Radio/TV!!!

          The cult of personality on there is ridiculous too… Bylines and long lists of production persons filling in a minute of broadcast time each half hour or so…

          It has become worthless tripe – no better than the rest of the mindless wilderness that makes up our broadcast media menu .. Even Reality TV has become better IMO…

          Only a fool would give them money for the crap they are churning out…

        • Ontological Ontological

          Doc, I think PBS went south for the duration of the ELE in the n hemi. I have noticed the endless 20 year old cooking shows depicting how all the worst contaminated foods of all now were prepared so deliciously back when it was safe. Oh did we neglect to tell you it is dangerous to consume this kind of food now? Aw gee silly us, it's all in the bag now.

  • harengus_acidophilus

    "detected substances that emit beta radiation"

    Welcome to our beloved topic "unspoken words".

    "[…] and other beta ray-emitting radioactive substances […]"



    • Fall out man!

      Ha x2!
      Yes, the same old game plan. Tepco haven't changed a bit. In fact, if they are true to past form, we can multiply their stated contamination figures by 10.

  • AllenH AllenH (Scary, but not alarming !?)

    Its what they not telling us that is the most worrying, lately they like to also mention the tested nuclear weapons, as if to take the heat off of the Fuku problem.
    With such a high radiation count that we hear of, combined with some of the math figures for water flow over the cores by some of the readers here. It is only obvious that it is far far worse than they try to spin. I recon the radioactive water was on the western coast within weeks, as well as the fish.
    I take anything they say and times it by 5 at the least.
    Three years of assault on the Pacific. and with radiation only increasing, how much longer before it is completely destroyed !?
    Not long, months.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    So.. can we talk ground water now?

    #Fukushima I Nuke Plant: In-the-Ground Water Storage Ponds Are "Floating" Because of Groundwater Pressure
    Aug 13 2013

    Let's talk ..inundation.

  • jackassrig

    what happened to the web cam discussion thread?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    It seems to be working now..

  • jec jec

    US government has satellites to map radiation. See:
    "A series of satellites .. are now aloft (2nd phase of the MILSTAR Program) They carry special sensor devices (Developed by SAIC) that can detect high-velocity spin-off particles from enriched uranium (necessary for nuclear devices). Due to the small size and velocity of these particles, no amount of shielding can block them: not lead, not earth (sub-terrainian). Radiation hazards from these particles are minimal due to limited quantity. Our satellites are fool-proof in detecting and pin-pointing the locations of enriched uranium throughout the world."

    So why not map Japan, and the USA? Note the comment on particles being of "minimal hazard because of limited quantity." THAT has changed..those particles are everywhere now thanks to Fukusahima's four reactor disaster and meltdowns! Ongoing meltdowns and radiation flowing into air and water…

    • Shaker1

      jec, I would place good odds that they have mapped Japan and the US. I don't know where your quote came from, but I'd bet again that even if these satellites are relatively new (it mentions 2nd phase), their previous generation was fairly competent. The interest in nuclear programs in especially North Korea is decades old.

      This also supports the point made in the comments about the sailors. The information from Tepco and the Japanese government weren't really required beyond very early in the incident when it may be explained as unexpected circumstance. There may not have been good information networking here for that information, say from satellites the US accumulates, but I'm sure it was there.

  • Concerned IF confirmed.

    "…THEY are concerned that if contamination of deeper layers of groundwater is confirmed, it could be another source that is leaking into the ocean." – NHK

    IMO – We should all be highly concerned and aware!

    The war against the continuous spread and accumulation of radioactive contamination from Fukushima will be a long one. The battles will be ongoing.

    The stakes are higher than can be imagined or accurately expressed with words and they continue to rise.

    • Socrates

      Shorting West Coast real estate might be a good move.

      Would the seller of residential real estate have to disclose that Cs137 and Buckyballs are a known danger. The failure to make such a disclosure would allow a lawsuit against the realtor and seller.

      Credit default swaps would start the process of bankrupting counterparties.

      There are many consideration about the fact that the releases from Fukushima will never stop and that it will bioaccumulate up the food chain into several major organs.

      These are a few of the "stakes."

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Aug 20 2013..

      Tepco yet to track groundwater paths

      Liquefaction threat adds to Fukushima ills

      Yet look at the response of the groundwater in Florida…influenced by the quake in Japan.

      March 20 2011

      Japan’s quake influenced groundwater in Florida

      The ripples from the quake were so powerful that the fluctuation was seen in a wide area, including the Everglades National Park, Palm Beach County, St. Lucie County and Highlands County, according to the story.

      The fluctuations began about 30 minutes after the earthquake, and consisted of about three inches over a two hour period, the article stated. what severity.. can the local groundwater be affected?

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        And to this the Iwaki earthquake..

        Seismic Fault Reactivates Near Fukushima Nuclear Plant
        Feb 14 2012

        ""There are a few active faults in the nuclear power plant area, and our results show the existence of similar structural anomalies under both the Iwaki and the Fukushima Daiichi areas. Given that a large earthquake occurred in Iwaki not long ago, we think it is possible for a similarly strong earthquake to happen in Fukushima," says team-leader Dapeng Zhao, geophysics professor at Japan's Tohoku University.

        The 11 April 2011 magnitude 7 Iwaki earthquake was the strongest aftershock of the 11 March earthquake with an inland epicentre. It occurred 60 km southwest of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, or 200 km from the 11 March epicentre.

        The research now published in EGU's Solid Earth shows that the Iwaki earthquake was triggered by fluids moving upwards from the subducting Pacific plate to the crust. The Pacific plate is moving beneath northeast Japan, which increases the temperature and pressure of the minerals in it. This leads to the removal of water from minerals, generating fluids that are less dense than the surrounding rock. These fluids move up to the upper crust and may alter seismic faults."

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          And to this we add..tons of corium..
          It's physical presence .. altering.

            • unincredulous unincredulous

              I visited a park in the mountains of Japan. I took a train to a place called Ome, I believe. It was a long time ago. The water there was blue-green, just beautiful. The cherry trees were blossoming. I think it was in March. Gorgeous country.

              Painted black.

              • unincredulous unincredulous

                I remember it, too, as an odd place sometimes. In a small store, an old man at the counter was looking at me as if I were an intruder. There was a Playboy emblem in the shop window. I inquired about a Playboy magazine. I just wanted to see one printed in Japanese. Thought it would be cool. I only recieved a gruff negative response, as if I was being rude. I found out later that pictures of naked women are not allowed there. But… on the train, there were magazines with pornographic cartoons depicting a graphic rape scene. Not likely to find THAT on an American bus. Walking in the city, some young men we were walking past looked at us and said, "Yankeeees" like ooohh we are scared in a mocking way. Walking down the street we passed an old woman, and after we had passed I heard something and turned around. She was looking at us angrily and cussing. Went to a Pachinko parlor and had some fun for a bit. In the bathroom, it was unisex, there was just a hole in the floor. Blood and tampons all over the floor. Really, the mountains were the best thing there, I thought. I was only there for a month, though. I remember all the seafood in the markets. Gives me the willies just thinking about the death of a way of life there.

  • Socrates

    What if anything did we learn from Fukushima?

    I would say, "Nothing."

    Ralph Nader says that nuclear energy cannot be considered "green" because one must consider the mining, milling, processing, and waste disposal which leave permanent contamination. Then there are meltdowns.

    Taxpayers are picking up the tab for waste storage.

    TEPCO recently stated that, even without the meltdowns, about 1% of the radioactive contamination would cross the Pacific anyway!

    Kevin Kamps from Beyond Nuclear points out that nuclear energy externalizes most of these costs.

    Hundreds of billions in subsidies support this industry while the Price – Anderson Act limits total liability for accidents to 10 billion dollars with taxpayers again on the hook.

    I think Michael Moore has been eating too many Big Macs which contribute to methane releases. The George Monbots of the world call this "green."

    Germany set an example which the US could follow and we could eliminate this dangerous death machine called "nuclear energy." But the powers behind the throne have dug their heels (read "spurs") in.

    We have learned that nuclear is neither cheap nor safe and that that does not matter. Special interests trump safety.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    That would all be correct! 🙂

  • ES

    "NHK world" or "NHK News line" are overseas broadcast.
    That always report Fukushima disaster.

    But, News bureau "NHK" doesn’t report us truth about Nuclear plant.
    So, many japanese think It's over and safe.

  • mungo mungo

    ADMIN Breaking news…
    TEPCO detects record radiation at Fukushima’s reactor 2, new leak suspected….

    • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

      From the RT post:
      "TEPCO suggested that current numbers could be wrong because radioactive substances may have been mistakenly mixed during the process of getting the sample."

      If true, Tepco has a long way to go to demonstrate the competency of its new Decommissioning Unit imo.

      • bf9 Fitz

        Maybe there are no solutions at present, but it sure does boggle the mind as to why Tepco is still the only one on this thing THREE YEARS LATER. They are outmatched on a scale of a bow and arrow to a B-2 bomber. Time is not unlimited on this, it's really time to at the very least get the Japanese armed forces on this, ideally internationally. Maybe then some solutions will come- this is not the time to play politics. Positive waves that way no less.

        • tsfw tsfw

          Does anyone know how many Tepco workers have died or fallen critically ill in the past 3 years? I just wonder if the fatality rate is very high, in which case they wouldn't risk losing soldiers, especially now when they may need them to invade some other countries when everyone has to be evacuated. Don't know, just a thought. It will be nice when there are as many answers as we have questions won't it. I sense that a lot of us in here are particularly frustrated lately, including myself. I will be taking a few days off for xmas to appreciate still being here; none of us know what next xmas might bring. Happy holidays to everyone, and thank you so much for all you do, I think you're heroes in a way.

          • artika rama

            I dont know the exact numbers but in my estimation whatever they say the number is , just multiply it with 10 000 for a rough estimate , OR you can just wait another ten years till they tell you that , in retrospect , the original numbers were actually much higher then initially expected. Isnt it how it works with the lamestream media?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Kevin had a great question..cores have left the buildings. 🙁

    The manmade "Sitting Star" that could never be turned off! 🙁

  • Sol Man

    Which savvy investors, banking families, royals, congress peeps are making money hand-over-fist by naked-shorting the human experience?

  • Project IceWorm – PM2A Secret Nuclear Modular Reactor, Nuclear Missile Launch Facility and Complete City Under Arctic Ice; via @A GreenRoad

  • Mack Mack

    "GRRLSCIENTIST" explains an element every week. This week she explains 'ununseptium'

    Scroll down in the article for a list of the elements she has explained so far.

  • Socrates

    I have always been for earthquakes before I was again them…

    (I bet that statement would get me elected.)

  • Thanks to those who provided testimony to the NRC, the comment period closed yesterday. We had over 1000 visitors to our link, and more to our sample letters.

    Here is also a link that takes you directly to the comments that they have "processed", without having to navigate through any complex "docket search"

  • Questionit

    I am thinking they are releasing this info only because they soon will not be able to hide it any longer. The predicted contaminated groundwater with massive amounts of strontium may be about to hit the ocean and if this is so they will not be able to contain the information flow as others will discover the concentrations.

    My take is this is a sign the coriums are in the ground. How will they minimize this news as others point this out. Even their Minimizer in Chief Arnie Gundersen will now have problems avoiding the issues.

    And – If (I said if) the coriums are in the ground and the strontium wave is about the hit the ocean, then how can they not admit the west coast is not going to be hit hard in 2 years or how the fish that swim across the ocean will not be contaminated sooner?

    • We Not They Finally

      Questionit it would be helpful if you stopped bashing Arnie Gundersen. He's a cautious scientist, who nevertheless, is light years ahead of where he was. And he's HONEST.

      You know at least that when Gundersen says that "all of Japan is contaminated," you can bank on it. And who would he be trying to protect by saying that? He's not a shill at all. He's just a cautious scientist gradually coping with denial.

  • artika rama

    I think by now everyone got used to "record high ' or 'never before seen levels of ' ,,,, news from fukushima .

  • artika rama

    Questionit; Coriums are in the ground for a long time. Ground water is highly contaminated ;radioactive water leaking into the ocean in hundreds of tons a day : spent fuel pools are so melted / messed up they cant get anything out of there : huge amounts of radiation being released into the atmosphere continuosuly for more than 1000 days and so on ,,, the worst case scenario HAS already happened . Its just a matter of desensitizing the public by feeding info bit by bit at a time,, we are just frogs sitting in the pan and they are turning the heat on little by little ,, until it cooks . Lamestream media is very good at that ., its their speciality 🙂

    • Questionit

      Artika, Agree and those are my conclusions. I'm frustrated that few can see what it is. And, as you can tell, get ticked that the guy Arnie G. works to lead people away from the reality of the current situation.

      I'm trying to keep my eyes open for corps., with Arnie's help, getting hugely profitable contracts from the US to act like they are taking corrective action when in fact they will only be covering up and hiding the situation.

      As they say, Let no good crisis go to waste.

    • babbo dorian babbo dorian


  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes it is!

  • pkjn

    Radioactive cesium detected in deeper groundwater
    Dec. 20, 2013 NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation)

    Tokyo Electric says radioactive substances have been detected in water samples taken from deep underground at the crippled Fukushima plant.

    For the first time in December, Tokyo Electric investigators detected radioactivity in groundwater taken from a layer 25 meters beneath the No. 4 reactor's well facing the ocean.

    They are concerned that if contamination of deeper layers of groundwater is confirmed, it could be another source that is leaking into the ocean.

    Meanwhile, at the No. 2 reactor, the density of beta ray-emitting radioactivity in groundwater has been rising since November. On Thursday, it registered a record 1.9 million becquerels per liter.

  • Wardy

    Here is claimed technology that can stop this disaster. This was offered to Tepco day after event. Why have they refused this? I am posting info below, notice #19.
    Dr. M. T. Keshe’s Vision for a New World
    Dr. M. T. Keshe has a HUGE VISION! His foundation has invented technologies that will render fossil fuel and propulsion systems for transportation obsolete. His technologies for healing and eradicating any disease (known or unknown) stand ready for use in hospitals and clinics worldwide.
    Dr. Keshes’s vision is to release these technologies to the world’s scientists for manufacture and implementation into global society for the betterment of all mankind.
    And he is doing exactly that. The Keshe Foundation, based in Belgium, has patented its designs and inventions in every country of the world simultaneously in order to prevent the confiscation of this technology. He has offered everything he knows and has developed to the world’s citizens for peaceful use.
    Here is a summary of some of the amazing discoveries and inventions Dr. Keshe demonstrates in his two-hour video. The video is slow to get started but hang in there, the demonstrations are well worth your time.
    1) Magnetism and Plasmatronics and counter gravity is here.
    2) It is real and it is suppressed technology: China Iran and Russia now have this technology, as well as Belgium and Holland.
    3) Health benefits of using a replicator to create vitamins as a plasmatron

  • Wardy

    ) Any disease (even those that have not been generated yet) can be eradicated.
    5) NASA (controlled by NAZIS to save their skin after WWII) built old technology spacecraft. This technology is not needed any longer.
    6) Science will need to be retaught. Full stop. Period.
    7) His arrest (Dr. Keshe) by Canadian authorities was a planned controlled operation and they confiscated all his belongings.
    8) Following his arrest Dr. Keshe published everything taken from him, on the internet.
    9) Mach 35- 40 with wheel-less cars are possible on Earth but no more than that; it is earth’s limit for humans.
    10) Space suits are not needed in space. With plasma gravity magnet-tronics you go to that frequency.
    11) Magnets can be bi polar or single north polar on all sides These mono-polar elements create permanent oscillation (i.e., free energy!)
    12) Create or replicate your own water from the atmosphere no matter where you are.
    13) Weightlessness in space in not necessary. We can just replicate that atmosphere and live within it.
    14) Mars travel and well beyond is now a matter of time here from earth with this application of technology.
    15) Lady wakes from coma with these frequencies to the astonishment of hospitals.
    16) Reprocessing the body to eat and drink as the body demands is now possible in plasma circles.
    17) No need for hunger or drought.
    18) No person on earth should be without this concept; principle and devices should be worldwide.
    19) Plasma is a cell and we use the…

  • Wardy

    9) Plasma is a cell and we use the energy inside that atom and when we have used it we replace it in the atom and have damaged nothing. This is clean energy and Fukushima can be cleaned out at the correct frequency.
    20) CO2 from air (the vacuum of space) could produce anything in a replicator (i.e., a solid steel tube.)
    21) Then he makes a lit torch out of it a few days out of the energy of the earth.
    22) Light can make anything from more light to food. From earth, for example, the light is strong and can reproduce anything; in space, it is more scarce.
    23) His lights do not go out unless disconnected manually.
    24) In space we do not need to take anything with us. NOTHING, except this technology and we can thrive anywhere.
    25) No need for physical body for space and just energy only, the body will only interact with our cells.
    26) Once you understand the structure of the universe, we can then see it is not possible to be alone in this galaxy.
    27) This universe is split out of these atoms. The same process with a bigger gravitational field. We are part of universal cosmos.
    28) We are one with all other ancestors and no way we can be alone , this technology proves it.
    29) Crossing the universe is only a matter of a split second in human terms with this anti-matter condition or transition energy.
    30) Principle matter or anti-matter will come forward with this technology and our body can attune to different dimensionalities with light as a portable plasma.

  • Wardy

    31) Light is a plasma-shaped form and changes “its jacket,” so to speak. The light is due to the friction of the tool, which is energy, based on friction generated inside.
    32) The dark matter (or source fields of energy) are everywhere in the universe and are reachable with this technology.
    33) The current killing by our rulers will not be allowed to have this technology and this is Pandora’s Box for real.
    34) The BIG BANG THEORY is NONSENSE and the reality is EXPLAINED .
    35) Dr. Keshe’s classic Quote: ” This technology will not cause damage in any way to any body or living creature” .

    • artika rama

      Going to check the video , thanks .

    • Angela_R

      Ah, and Wardy no doubt it is all possible. One thing I am puzzled about is – why is it referred to as 'dark' energy?
      It is made from Light.

      25)29)… immediately jump out to me
      22)24)… exciting concepts likewise 10) 14)

      what puzzles me though is, because it is…there/here, why do we have to think about it? It's a tune in process surely?

      • Wardy

        I am no sciencetest, I know little about info I posted but was excited to learn we may have a way to get this horrible mess cleaned up. I am completely baffled why Tepco allegedly refused this help. WTF !!!!!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    WOW! 🙂

  • Occupant Occupant

    They are playing kick the can, with the 125 million of Japan.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    video taken shortly after explosion of reactor nr 4 in march 2011:

    video from the leaks on the roof of reactor nr 2, taken march 2011:

    album with pictures from the sats ikonos,geo-eye1 and worldview2, taken march 2011:

  • nuknomore nuknomore

    WHY did they not immediately entomb this thing?? WHY?
    I have watched from day one, watched as they fight to save the 'plant'..Risking the 'planet'..
    Yet every expert said this is a lost cause .Dangerous to the whole planet and every living thing on it . And can not be saved. Every day worse, and worse, and still. They mess around with it..
    Its just astounding..
    Where are the leaders of other countries stepping up and saying, "STOP"…You can not destroy the whole world~!
    I'm baffled and dumbfounded, and every day it only increases as the keystone cops get to play with the lives of every creature on earth..


      @nuknomore: entombment would do nothing to prevent the nightmare of escalating water pollution. Then there's the issue of fuel/debris removal. I'm sure that when they're done retrieving what can be removed, they'll announce they're sealing the wrecked buildings. When it comes to failed policy, there's nothing more consoling to the general public than sweeping such failures beneath the carpet. Outta sight…outta mind…

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    ADMIN: May I suggest – that the allowed ongoing presence of a clever, wordy, self-appointed judge, critic, evaluator and "Gatekeeper" of enenewser's comment attempts to self-discover nuclear contamination events and details, acts to discourage further inquiries as well as limit the effectiveness of the Enenews discovery and revelation process.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      jump ball, you have to give us a hint…a rhyme or something. Who is this clever gatekeeper who represses the revelation process?

  • SeaSpirit SeaSpirit

    I've been following for about 2 months since becoming aware of the continuing horror of Fukushima. It has been a long dark night of the soul, to put it mildly, and you all have helped keep me sane. Wardy's comments on plasma energy as the solution to Fuku just blew me away so am finally speaking up.
    I'm a sustainability consultant in Oakland CA and agree with what you and the experts are saying. This is just surreal. I'm deep like you and study consciousness, spirituality and quantum physics in my spare time..since childhood I've known "all is connected". On Tgiving, my attention was diverted to family and then to Comet Ison. Ison led to me The Thunderbolts Project and understanding of the "Electric Universe" and the "Plasma Universe" Please watch the videos and remember all is connected. Bottom line, many questions I've been asking nearly my whole life have been answered. And guess what, it ALL ABOUT ENERGY! I believe the coming paradigm shift, that fundamental change in how we perceive reality, is that EVERYTHING IS ENERGY and we are ENERGY in the material world. I shared my Fuku-plasma universe connection with a few people today, along with belief that only our collective awakening to our true nature as divine energy can save us. Then few hours later I saw Wardy's post. Amazing and proof to me that we're on the right track. We have "quantum entanglement" and each of us has a role to play. Be present and feel yourself as energy, the answers will come to…

    • Angela_R

      Hi Seaspirit,

      Spirit was the old name for energy. As I read the outcome of the research into the Higgs, I thought it was a 'wave field' they had found, and that they believed that it travelled through space picking up particles. However someone insisted that that was not the case and there was in fact a 'particle' involved. However I believe that energy can exist in the same state without matter, but matter decays without energy.

      Man splits the atom, which nature never meant to exist alone; it becomes frenetic.
      Ison did not survive. Let us see if comet Lovejoy 2 does, then if we add Hope 🙂

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


    December 22, 2013 at 11:49 am
    @ webcam :

    big wave day 2013/12/21

    big wave day 2013/12/22

    See how it's done in ..many,many ways.

    Groundwater..ocean contact..anyone?

    • jec jec

      yes, heart, was yelling for Nuchelchen when the big wave went over. And now, look at the latest fuel removal statistics..88 of 1533..after a week. They are late posting this week..last was Dec 16th. Which makes me wonder why they were testing under Unit 4 unless they are having (and they are) terrible radation exposure issues. They have 36 experts for removing the fuel, spread thru 6 teams. What you want to bet they are losing a few??? They need to do a head count of healthy Fukushima 36 on the fuel removal website as well..

    • jec jec

      @Heart, look at the waves vs the buildings moving with the camera in the "wind." The buildings move..but not the waves. What gives?? Looks like a pasted up image video verlay..but the waves are certainly real. There is an offshore storm causing the weather we see. And two earthquakes..just to the south..

  • Tiza Tiza

    I posted this another place here. Please check it out:

    Has anyone heard of the ALPS?

    I'm wondering if they are using that and it's working?

  • Sparky Sparky

    Hi Tiza, As I recall, ALPS was "pilot" tested and failed at abut 22 hrs. into operation. I think they tried again with the same result. A bit of fanfare leading up to each attempt, then, no further information from TEPCO–typical of them. I also recall this being a pricey piece of equipment. Other Enenewsers may have more detailed information and/or can link you to the articles on this site about ALPS. I think that covered ALPS as well, providing additional, unique perspective.

    • Tiza Tiza

      Well, that just figures. I'm pretty sure that there are intelligent people somewhere that could figure out how to tweak it. I'll check your place, then.

      There's always hope is what I say.