Nikkei: Sec. Clinton personally pressured Japan leader to keep nuclear power as “President Obama wishes it”

Published: October 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am ET


September 25, 2012 Nikkei report translated by EXSKF:

It has been revealed that the United States government was strongly urging [the Japanese government] to reconsider its policy of “zero nukes in 2030s” which was part of the energy and environmental strategy of the Noda administration, as “President Obama wishes it”.


According to the multiple government sources, as the Noda administration was moving in August toward explicitly putting down “zero nuke” in the official document, the US strongly requested that Japan reconsider the “zero nuke” policy, saying the request was “the result of discussion at the highest level of the government”, indicating it was the Obama administration’s consensus, from the president on down.

On September 8, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda met with the US Secretary of State Clinton during the APEC meeting in Vladivostok in Russia. Here again, representing the US president, Secretary Clinton expressed concern. While avoiding the overt criticism of the Noda administration’s policy, she further pressured Japan by stressing that it was President Obama and the US Congress who were concerned.


(According to Former Deputy Energy Secretary Martin,) the US government thinks that “The US energy strategy would be more likely to suffer a direct damage” because of the Japan’s policy change toward zero nuclear energy.


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Published: October 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am ET


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78 comments to Nikkei: Sec. Clinton personally pressured Japan leader to keep nuclear power as “President Obama wishes it”

  • Maggie123

    These people have no capacity for shame – "without moral compass" has never been such a common and rightly earned accusation!

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      When the contamination finally causes the evacuation of Tokyo w/i the next few years, Mr. NoBama will be fully capable of handling the disaster – as president of the U.S.A, The United States of Apology.

  • Maggie123

    "the US strongly requested" – I've always wondered how these conversations go when it's one ally to another. (Easier to imagine when the two nations aren't considered particularly friendly to one another.) Wonder what "talking points" went with "strongly requested" – or was it just left hanging, for Noda and his people to imagine?

  • And herein lies the problem. Our government is actively working AGAINST us, Japan and life itself.

    Mr. Obama and his Exelon buddies are about to have their wishes denied.

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Sadly true, Maggie123. The corruption of our leaders exceeds my imagination.

  • m a x l i

    Can we extinct the human race and most life-forms on earth?

    Yes, we can!

  • Mack Mack


    **Please** do read this whole article —->

    Here's a snippet.

    "The US Department of Commerce estimates the world market for nuclear power technology, fuel and related services and equipment at "upwards of" $750 billion over the next 10 years, Richard Myers, vice president for policy development, planning and supplier programs at NEI, said at a press conference Monday in Washington to release a report the US nuclear power industry commissioned on the topic."

    • Maggie123

      Anti-nuke's version of avoiding what we'd rather not know? Hi Everyone, Don't know about others, but I've delayed reading the article linked by Mack, even though he asked us to "**Please** read the whole article".

      Not a terribly long article, but too clear that Washington, the Nuclear Energy Institute, US Chamber of Commerce, and other entities on the "inside track" of trade policy matters haven't heard a word of anyone's anti-nuke knowledge, opinions, insights, or wisdom. Nada.

      Nor are they asking.

      Mack's quote suggested the situation, which is why I, for one, hadn't gone straight to it. But we (I) need to know. We describe "status quo" thinkers as operating in old paradigms (at least I do). But I like to tell myself these s.q. thinkers are less confident now, than they might have been a few years back, (article oesn't read like they are.) I like to think they're at least getting non-nuclear energy solutions on their radar, (nothing in article to suggest this.)

      Purely business of course … wonder how much it would cost to send them all to Chernobyl for a month's in-depth investigation!

      Would it help if we blitzed mainstream media with combo scold + "get on nuclear harm issues"? Could we exert force at least on msm for responsible reporting on this one issue, (nuclear's extreme dangers)? What if we selected 2-3 msm's – whom to blitz?
      OK – just one msm, then, – which one likely most responsive?

      • Step-by-Step

        Good comment from Maggie123

        But there is some hope

        That linked article talks about the U.S. EXPORTing nuclear technology etc…

        because they don't see much of a market for nuclear in the U.S.

        Repeat: they don't see much of a market for nuclear in the U.S.

        That's good

        On another topic, on a CoalitionAgainstNukes video, (can't find now) and the message the long-time anti-nuclear speakers said again and again is….

        don't give up.

        Step-by-step, little by little, with education and spreading the news, everyone is making a difference.

        Thanks Enenews.


  • Max1 Max1

    Profits over people…

  • JustmeAlso

    The Japanese govt does not want to be punished by the US govt for being anti-nuke, Like the New Zealand govt has been punished by the US govt for having an anti nuke policy.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    It does not surprise me that both candidates have the same types of friends.

    They don't talk about how Fukushima effects us, the Louisiana sink hole, and so on.

    No matter who wins, it will be business as usual.

    • vivvi

      What else could one expect from a system that allows corporate donations to fund both sides of politics? Which party should the corporate motherf*ckers fund? Why, BOTH of them, of course. See? Same corporation holding both puppets. The love of money is most certainly the root of all evil.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        It's worse, and a much older tradition, than most realize: when Truman beat Dewey in 1948's biggest-ever presidential upset, the Chicago mob was initially upset that their contribution to Dewey had been wasted, until one of the mob moneymen announced that they had, as usual, given a decent amount to Truman, just in case.

  • lam335 lam335

    re: "[The US objection] was based on the fear that the framework of Japan-US cooperation for non-proliferation and peaceful use of nuclear energy might collapse [under the new policy]. "

    One might ask, how does abandoning nuclear threaten "non-proliferation" goals, if nuclear power PRODUCES nasty stuff like plutonium.

    The most important paragraph from X-SKF's translation addresses this :

    "In the Atomic Energy Agreement effective as of 1988, Japan and the US agreed to a blanket statement that as long as it is at the Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant, reprocessing of the nuclear fuel is allowed without prior consent from the US. Japan's most important role [in the agreement] is to secure the peaceful use of plutonium without possessing nuclear weapons."

    Japan MUST have MOX/pluthermal reactors so that the US has someplace to send its plutonium. Never mind that 1.) MOX hasn't yet been successful, 2.) MOX reactors are MORE difficult to manage than uranium-based ones (according to AG), 3.) MOX reactors are more dangerous if they do blow up, AND never mind the fact that Japan is being pressured to continue running its nuclear reactors in general, most of which are PRODUCING more plutonium, not helping to get rid of it.

    • lam335 lam335

      Here it is necessary to recognize the REVERSAL of US policy on nuclear reprocessing (which I believe dates back to the Reagan administration). Prior to the 1980s, the reprocessing of nuclear fuel was viewed as INCREASING the threat of nuclear proliferation, NOT decreasing it:

      "In October 1976[8], concern of nuclear weapons proliferation (especially after India demonstrated nuclear weapons capabilities using reprocessing technology) led President Gerald Ford to issue a Presidential directive to indefinitely suspend the commercial reprocessing and recycling of plutonium in the U.S. On 7 April 1977, President Jimmy Carter banned the reprocessing of commercial reactor spent nuclear fuel. The key issue driving this policy was the serious threat of nuclear weapons proliferation by diversion of plutonium from the civilian fuel cycle, and to encourage other nations to follow the USA lead."

      But then the US proved entirely incapable of coming up with a viable, safe, and politically feasible plan for permanently disposing/storing its most dangerous nuclear waste … so they had to come up with another idea … hence the reversal. The very reprocessing of nuclear waste that was clearly viewed as a proliferation THREAT suddenly became the SOLUTION to the proliferation threat.

      • lam335 lam335

        … And the very waste that had seemed like a dangerous liability requiring an expensive storage solution suddenly became an ASSET that could be exported for use in foreign reactors.

        Presto chango!

  • nedlifromvermont

    Go Enenews!!!

    More truth needed …

    Barack Obummer is unmasked as a nuclear whore … what a surprise, NOT!!!

    Both major party candidates support nuclear power, eighteen months after Fukushima … that's not an election … That (This) is a FARCE!!!

    Maybe after he dumps Romney, Barack will become a man and a father and express concern for his daughters' ovaries and the vulnerable DNA stored in their bodies … doubtful … he seems to enjoy acting as a call girl for Dr. Mengele …

    Oh well, we kinda knew this … horse of a different color kind of stuff …

    carry on newsers … keep saving the world, one thread post at a time …

    peace …

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Actually, this was well-known before he became the Democratic nominee for President in 2008. This was the reason the Democratic Party gave him the nomination even though he didn't have the support of the American people. This was shy Republicans crossed over in the Democratic primaries to vote for Obama. The American public has been hypnotized to believe the government propaganda which is exclusively geared to promote those with investments in nuclear power. These investors do not want to give up their government welfare. Everything they argue for is in fact what they themselves are really doing.

      Lower taxes? Yes, but only for the rich. Get rid of welfare? But only for the poor. Sales taxes? Yes, for the poor, not for those who gamble in the stock market.

      Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and StickYou with the Bill) [Paperback]
      David Cay Johnston (Author)

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        TYPO: why [not, shy]

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Let's not forget that Axelrod, Obama's advisor during the nomination, election, and in the White House, worked for Exelon. He is also running the reelection campaign for Obama. Axelrod left the White House to manage the reelection.

        And speaking of violence, despite the American Revolution of 1776, the British monarchy is still running this country. You can see the British propaganda on TV and on the political talk shows. America attacked Iraq to regain control over the Queen's oil infrastructure which they built in Iraq. Saddam Hussein had greatly reduced their royalties on the oil in Iraq. WWII was fought not only against Germany and the axis, but also over the oil in the Middle East.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Let's not forget that President Obama is descended from Edward II on his mother's side and Pres. Theodore Roosevelt on his father's side (at least that's the info on the internet). And let's not forget BP (British Petroleum) got away with destroying the Gulf of Mexico and other energy disasters and controls the oil in Alaska. Also, a British arms dealer now owns the HAARP facility in Alaska, and all the intellectual property for HAARP.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Nearly all US Presidents are Related to the British and French Royal Families

          American Presidential Bloodlines

          “Did you know all 44 U.S. presidents have carried European royal bloodlines into office? 34 have been genetic descendants from just one person, Charlemagne, the brutal eighth century King of the Franks. 19 of them directly descended from King Edward III of England. In fact, the presidential candidate with the most royal genes has won every single American election….

          “Bush is closely related to the king of Albania and has kinship with every member of the British royal family and the House of Windsor. He is related to 20 British Dukes, the 13th cousin of Britain’s Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth. He is 13th cousin once removed from Prince Charles and has direct descent from King Henry III, Charles II, and Edward I of England. Through the House of Windsor and King Henry III, the Bush’s and Bill Clinton are genetically related…”

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        “ 'The US energy strategy would be more likely to suffer a direct damage' because of the Japan’s policy change toward zero nuclear energy." Oh! We simply cannot change US energy policy, can we? It is we, the people, who "suffer a direct damage" from nuke power. And, they make us pay for nuclear power two times over: Once, through subsidies for nukes. Once again, in higher energy costs for nuke power.

        History will not be kind to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for their betrayal of the American people. Clinton has had her Colin Powel moment. Colin Powell (as Secretary of State under Bush) gave his Iraq speech before the UN, a speech he must have known was full of lies. Powel paid for the lies of Bush/Cheney by sacrificing his own integrity. Similarly, Hillary Clinton made a deal with Japan to continue to import products and food from Japan without testing for radiation, sacrificing US public health in the interest of keeping the Nuclear Power Industry alive for a few more years. History will show that 311 ended the nuclear industry throughout the world. The Democratic Party must declare itself for the end of nuclear power. Retire, Hillary. You will never be President.

    • Sickputer

      Ned sez: "Barack Obummer is unmasked as a nuclear whore"

      SP: Please don't insult the world's oldest profession. 😉 I prefer the term Plutonium Pimp.

      The Japanese government got their marching orders and their sorry asses spanked once again by Uncle Sam. How sad the country of the samurai are revealed once again as a subjugated nation.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Another disaster in Japan just around the corner:

    J-Power to finish construction of first nuclear reactor designed to run exclusively on MOX fuel

    “The Electric Power Development Company began construction in 2008 on the nuclear power plant in Ohma Town, but work was suspended after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster. The Ohma project is J-Powers first nuclear power venture, and is a variation of the Advanced Boiling Water Reactor (ABWR) standard design.
    “The ABWR is planned to be Japan’s first nuclear power plant designed to run exclusively on MOX fuel, and was to be a key figure in the central government “pluthermal” plan, which promotes the reuse of plutonium and uranium from spent fuels in light-water reactors….”

    • lam335 lam335

      So based on this article's revelation, should we call the OHMA project the "ObaHMA project"?

      Or perhaps we should just call it FOLLY …

      Noda and Obama and the U.S. Congress (both parties/both houses) think they are cleverly fooling their people, but the sad reality is that they are deluding themselves–they are short-sightedly putting their countries on a suicidal course, and they are too blinded by self-interest (i.e., $$$) to see the reality of what they are doing …

      … or perhaps they simply don't care.

  • dosdos dosdos

    There is no choice in the coming election. Both parties are strongly pro-nuke.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      There's the Green Party. If Dr. Jill Stein wins 5% of the vote, she will be included in the Presidential debates in 2016 and will be eligible for $20,000,000. in campaign funds from the US gov't.

    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Vote your values, NOT your fears. Vote Green Party. There is a CHOICE. Use your power….

      Sustainable Energy [R]evolution | Greenpeace International; via A Green Road

      Breakthrough Hydrogen From Sun Method Rivals Speed of Natural Photosynthesis; via A Green Road

      We can live a sustainable lifestyle, but we have to CHOOSE IT, and the leaders that will take us there.

      The Green Party is the ONLY party that does not take 'donations' from corporations.

      Have the courage to vote your values, no matter what. Do not waste your vote on the dualopoly.

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        I don't think they are even going to be on the ballot in PA. I know Gary Johnson is not thus I assume the Green Party will not either but time will tell. If I only have a choice between Romney and Obama it's a no brainer as I sure would not want our country to look like Romney's convention or campaign. But if there is an option on the ballot I will then have a true choice and vote for the individual I deem will be best for our country and the planet. I just can't wrap my head around Obama with those little girls, how could he support nuclear power, I'm beyond disappointed.

        • vivvi

          I suggest writing "None of the above" on your ballot. If enough people had the balls to do something like this instead of caving in to the brainless argument that your vote is wasted if you dont support one of the corporate puppets, things just might start to change. Nothing will change if people continue to play the two-party monopoly game.

          • Maggie123

            I have thought of writing in Occupy.

          • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

            Unfortunately, "making a statement" with your vote never accomplishes anything. One of the two (Romney or Obama) will be elected.

            I can't stand either one of them, but I have to vote for Romney (not Ron Paul whom I really would like to see get elected) because Obama MUST be taken out of the office. He is single-handledly (well, yes, I guess he has a lot of cohorts) destroying the US citizen's protections under the constitution, and he is in bed with the military-industrial-nuclear complex!

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              So is Romney, so is Ron Paul.

            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              I have always subscribed to this logic. Not this year. I do not have a great confidence that the election is not already rigged.. diebold, etc. and that my vote counts for anything. I do not believe either party actually cares about survival of the species.

              This year I will vote Green party.

              I am tired of the duopoly.. there does not occur to be much difference in the parties these days..

              Maybe if more of us took a chance, we could at least show the establishment that we are growing and we want to be heard, we will no longer accept lip service only.

              • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

                A vote for the green party, an admiral philosophical position, will only ensure that Obama gets elected. Then, again, if you feel that Obama is no worse a candidate than Romney, go for it.

                I, however, am so doggedly against Obama that I can't waste my vote on someone who has no chance of getting elected. I am not "for" Romney, but I am adamately "against" Obama!

            • Maggie123

              aSpadeisaSpade: I wonder if you've made a point to 'dig for info on Romney? I agree with Anne – Romney is dangerously cut from similar cloth as are the others.

              "Trickle down" and "by your own bootstraps alone" economics are more devastating to general populations than Keynesian – and Keynesian itself has a bias in favor of a kind of 'condescending liberalism'.

              The more enduring promise for humanity is to reach for social/economic system often found in generous, functional, families – cooperation, sharing resources, encouraging one another's interests and talents, assuring education and health care, and resolving conflict with understanding. Very few families relegate one family member to living under the porch while another gets a private suite – think of how we'd characterize such a family!

              If only we could view the larger community as 'family' in the same way!

              We can (and should, IMO) dig pretty deep on any who run for public office to get past the spin. This might interest you (I tried to find something that 'dug deep' and summarized at same time.)

              • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

                Thank you very much for the link. I hhave read a lot of things about Romney which make me believe that he is a decent man, but also a lot (like the story about his being a bully in high school) which make me wonder.

                I am appalled at his political naivete. Too many uninformed public statements, and downright egregious gaffs. He is not presendential material. I'm voting for Romney, but I'll be holding my nose as I do it.

                • vivvi

                  He's not naive, Spade, he's just an illuminati prick. His red and blue logo depicts sodomy, with the blue part sodomising the red part, and the meaning of that is that the 'blue-bloods.' the elite, are subjugating the 'red' folks, meaning the common man, the adamic folks, ordinary humans. Whoever designed that logo was a satanic genius. Don't think for a moment that he is just some guy who decided to run for president. Both he and obummer are blue bloods, directly descended from english kings. they are family to queen lizard. and they will do england's bidding. You don't vote for a president, you choose a proxy king.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    +100. His remarks on the 47%, who according to him are on welfare, directly shows that he cares nothing about them. His welfare from the government runs into the millions to billions of dollars kept in off shore accounts. Also, he has plans for the future that he is keeping secret. He is one of 30 children by his polygamous father. I fail to see anything decent about him at all.

                    He belongs to a church which believes that all men are priests, and women are all their slaves.

              • Maggie123

                See also: Aug 29, 2012: Matt Taibbi's article in Rolling Stone. (Taibbi is a sharply aware critic on national economic issues.)
                Taibbi's article can be read as taking a closer focus on pages 5 & 6 of the Vanity Fair article. The VF article was published early in 2012.

                • Maggie123

                  Your're welcome – Just caught your thanks for VF link – don't mean to keep drumming on this. I'm very concerned this election will take us deeper into misery for many, with environmental issues cleanly swept off the table at the same time. I keep thinking of the desperate mind-sets of pre-fascist Germany and Italy, and how 'refreshing' they found what they heard as they headed to the polls! Yikes!!!)

        • Maggie123

          Moonshellblue, others – Map shows which states will have Greens on the ballot: Looks like PA ballot will have Greens. 🙂

  • Thanks Admin for this very informative section. I am crying aloud for the people at Kudankulam and the rest of the world. What a time to live!

  • COME ON! I admit Obama and the United States IS undoubtedly the devil incarnate. That being said, it didn't take too long for the Japanese Government and the nitwits in charge, to blame the Tsunami and destruction of the reactors on the U.S. Japan immediately needs to seek the help of the United States and the rest of the technology world to help with their crippled reactors. Japan cannot do this clean up on her own. Additionally, if Japan can manage it, she will not tell the rest of the world the true nature of the catastrophe. IMAO.

    • vivvi

      Be realistic. If TPTB wanted Fukushima fixed, don't you think it would be? Tepco's feigned helplessness is really just playing the game. They give not a ruptured fornication whether people are dying from their radioactive poisons. These people are not ignorant, they know very well what this radioactive mess is doing to people all over the world. The right question should be, HOW CAN WE GET RID OF THESE ASSHOLES AND TAKE CONTROL OF OUR PLANET BACK?

    • dissonantchord

      You raise some very interesting points here, striking an undercurrent of a dissonant chord.
      >>>…it didn't take too long for the Japanese Government and the nitwits in charge, to blame the Tsunami and destruction of the reactors on the U.S.<<<

      What exactly are you referring to? There was the jstone accusations, of planted bombs, with reactor 4 being the building 7 smoking gun…is this the type of blame you are referring to? If so, where are the similar Japanese Government accusations? Are they there, but not widely known publicly? If so, what are the ramifications?

      >>>Japan immediately needs to seek the help of the United States and the rest of the technology world to help with their crippled reactors.<<<

      Is there a suspicion of a methodical delay due to treating the site as a 'crime scene', at least in your imagination?

      >>>Additionally, if Japan can manage it, she will not tell the rest of the world the true nature of the catastrophe.<<<

      What are you referring to? To protect their nuclear interests, or, (more sinister) as a result of the findings from their crime investigation, they consider a measured response? OR IS THIS JUST A DISSONANTCHORD DILLUSION ON TOP OF ALREADY A HORRIFIC SITUATION?!?

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nobody wants nuclear reactors. They must be decommissioned.

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Hi all,

    I posted a comment in the General Discussion Forum that has some information related to this topic.

  • many moons

    They are the suppliers we are the users….cut back your use, take the stairs, open a window…get away from the toxic life we have embraced when perhaps we didn't know better.
    We don't need this stuff and if we don't use it…they will find no arguments to creat more of it.
    It sounds difficult but it's easier than this nuclear cartel forcing these nuke drugs on us.

    • CBuck CBuck

      If enough people cut back on energy usage, yes the power companies will notice. I don't think cutting back on usage will change anything to the point of plants shutting down. If anything, I see more of a, "this will be forced upon you", stance where they will tell each business/household how much energy they need and whether you use it or not you will be charged for it. Easy way for them to stay in business.

      • JustmeAlso

        There was an article (which i can not find right now due to the amount of likker ;)), about GE not seeing profit in nuke power anymore because the cheap gas and solar. So, we got the answer: Go green in energy producing! Give the nuke industry a hard time to survive!

    • Maggie123

      I already cut back 'severely'- could not do so if I had a regular 9-5 job! Trying to do as much yard work and house maintenance as possible by hand (which is most of it, but it takes a long time so yard and house look "interesting")! Also live out of town and try not to drive except when list of "town chores" builds up. Hung a couple more inexpensive mirrors a few days ago to help move light around indoors. Maximum recycling, including inventing ways to use what can't be recycled, etc.. No 'battery powered' tools/devices (they are "marvel toys" that I don't happen to need, can always reach a plug-in)… Lots we can do but not easy if also "mixing it up" with "regular high-consumption society!"

      • JustmeAlso

        Kudos to you Maggie123!
        The more we get off the grid, the harder times will hit the nuke industry!
        I also want to mention: Frack the frackin' frackers!

        • Fury Fury

          off the grid?? Did you notice she said she can always reach a plugin?? Sorry Maggie but you did say that. If you want to get off the grid try buying and installing your own solar cells, winding your own wind generators, maintaining enough batteries for 8 hours of storage. Now smile at this , your computer doesnt run on air, but if you claim to be off the grid you have to unplug it!!

          • Maggie123

            🙂 Fury: JustMeAlso used the qualifier "the more we can" so I accepted it as that. I was a subscriber to Mother Earth News back in my homesteading days in the 1970's and have long explored means of actually getting off the grid – never had money or what I needed to get set up! I continue to check into what's available in my situation, at what prices, a couple of times a year. Alternatively, I use some passive solar and other 'work with earth' means to achieve quite a lot. I'm pretty committed to minimizing my disruption and cost-to-earth. Pretty big story so won't spell it out! 🙂

      • Siouxx Siouxx

        Chapeau! We started this twelve years ago, got out of mainstream and into self-sufficiency. The next stage was to cut out all plastics and all electrical appliances. We also make all our own care products like toothpaste, shampoo, etc.,. and we try to limit everything we buy to local and repairable (our car is 20 years old it has just passed its MOT for another two years. We have a bicycle-powered washing machine, a dry toilet and a wood cooker, amongst other low tech items. Yet we have a better quality of life than most people who earn huge salaries and live in major towns and squander energy. How many of them eat a 100% organic diet, use no pharmaceutical products and are happy in what they do?

        • vivvi

          Sounds wonderful. We are trying to move in this direction too. Did you make the bike washing machine yourself? Sort of wondering how to do that, perhaps you could give us some tips where to get instructions for some of this stuff.

          • Siouxx Siouxx

            Yes we made our own machine as soon as the electronics went on our old one. We have films on how we made it on Youtube and on the dry toilet system. In France we pay for all water, this is apart from the environmental issues which are huge, for 75% of all water used in a household goes straight down the toilet (this after using energy and chemicals to get it to drinking water standard). We have been using the dry toilet for over a year now and our water bills have dropped by the above percent. Many people have put films on a whole myriad of off-grid and self-sufficiency subjects on youtube – it's no longer the preserve of piano-playing cats!

        • Maggie123

          Siouxx: Great achievements! Congratulations! "We" pays off – hard to do some of this solo. Washing machine strategies include some nifty old technologies – have seen treadle powered machines. Also there's device that looks like a toilet plunger but is meant for water to enter and flow out openings – was used to 'slosh and push' at clothing in a tub. Both these are without 'extractor' step in the process so clothes can lose shape more easily (true also of wringer washers.)

          • Siouxx Siouxx

            Yes, that's true but we have friends who are living this lifestyle alone or as single parents, for the organic movement has strong help networks. Then there is the group WWOOFERS, willing workers on organic farms, people from all across the world who will come and help you with a project. You don't have to be a farm as such, just have a good environmental project people can help you with, setting up a dry toilet system would be one. There are so many such groups. This is what gives me hope, whilst sad, greedy people are ever tying to ruin the Planet, happy, helpful people are constantly trying to put it back together again.

      • Fury Fury

        Could do like one family did quite a few years back, power the tv and radio with the exercise bike. I wonder whatever happened with them?

  • Siouxx Siouxx

    What is it with this two party idea? As far as I can see every single country has the same issue. Look at France and Britain Nick Sarkozy was a clone of Tony Blair and pro-nuclear, Frank Hollande is a clone of Dave Cameron and pro-nuclear. Both countries at elections had a choice of a green party, the only political party who are anti-nuclear and they still vote, as if drunk or drugged for either/or and as we know either/or is one and the same. Their excuse is always, the Green party's lack of experience but tell me how they could make a worse job of it than these mainstream parties who have been incumbent for centuries and got us in this mess in the first place. As for the issue of influence on Japan's nuclear policy, it just makes me ill to think what people will do for money, to the point of not even caring about their own children's future, it is beyond 'moral compass' it is walking into the abyss, to the destruction of every lifeform on this planet. With regards to the Royal family, as far as I am aware Prince Charles is pro-environment, pro-organic (he's actually an organic farmer and landowner) and anti-nuclear, why do you think he's always had bad press and the Queen is hanging onto the throne for dear life, paradoxically supported by a diet of raw organic dairy, which the likes of Obama and Co would have you think is a terrorist act. Everytime you think politics and nuclear couln't get sicker, ENENEWS turns up another stone and something hideous crawls out.

  • dissonantchord

    >>>With regards to the Royal family, as far as I am aware Prince Charles is pro-environment, pro-organic (he's actually an organic farmer and landowner) and anti-nuclear, why do you think he's always had bad press and the Queen is hanging onto the throne for dear life, paradoxically supported by a diet of raw organic dairy, which the likes of Obama and Co would have you think is a terrorist act.<<<

    Now this is interesting info I had not heard before. Does she drink organic yogurt?

    • Siouxx Siouxx

      She has her own organic dairy herd of Jersey cattle established by Queen Victoria in 1871. She drinks raw milk, which is why an 86 year old great grandmother can sit on a barge on a freezing cold Summer's day on the Thames, she's stocked to the brim with enzymes. The story goes she used to smuggle it up to Eton for her grandsons to drink whilst at school. Meanwhile so many governments tell you the only true way is pasteurised and raw milk will kill you…. but radiation won't…something wrong somewhere.

    Admin, I just admire you for publication of this gem of a set of discussions. The non-homogeneity of the people, the diversity is so wonderful to read. I have faith in enenews being read on and on for millennia to come. Of this I am sure.
    Every nuke is an extinction level event.

  • reader

    Who did President Obama appoint to head the NRC? He was forced out. What's he doing now?

    Think. The anti-Obama posts on this thread are misguided, IMO.

    • vivvi

      I dont think there are enough words in the english language to sufficiently condemn obummer. He is an evil man. Have you forgotten what happened to the gulf of Mexico, and who was in charge for that? He kisses the ass of the english crown because he is a confirmed member of their direct bloodline family. What he did in leaving tens of thousands of Americans to suffer and die while BP managed to skate off with minimal cost, is unforgivable, and he did it to protect the english crown's fortune tied up in BP. Don't bother shilling for obummer with a record like that. Which doesn't mean rMoney is any better, of course, being from the same royal bloodline and his record says he is a lying asshole too.

  • JanickInJapan

    Mind you, EXSKF's opinion is quite different from what enenews suggests. If you go & check the original post written by EXSKF, you get this very important sentence as a conclusion :
    "My personal conclusion is that Prime Minister Noda wanted to ditch the policy but needed the pretext of "gaiatsu" (external pressure)."
    EXSKF doesn't believe that the USA mingled with Japanese affairs on this topics, and he explains why.
    It's here :

  • gnomesang gnomesang

    obama is the highest level of our government?