Published: February 8th, 2012 at 6:29 pm ET
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Title: Nuclear plant’s neighbors want radiation monitors
Source: Orange County Register
Author: FRED SWEGLES
Date: Feb 8, 2012
A week after a reported ‘tiny’ leak at the San Onofre nuclear plant, several people ask the San Clemente City Council to set up independent monitoring of radiation levels around town. They also request a study to determine cancer risks.
Residents worried about leaks from the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station asked San Clemente’s elected leaders [on the City Council] Tuesday night to have sensors installed around town to monitor radiation levels. [...]
“Edison may know what the radiation levels are, but they’ve told me that they won’t share those with the public,” San Clemente resident Donna Gilmore told the City Council. [...]
Local resident Patti Davis told the council: “It’s very nebulous. It’s really difficult to have confidence … is what they’re telling us the truth? [...]
Edison spokesman Gil Alexander attended the meeting but had no comment on the requests for independent monitoring and an epidemiology study. [...]
Alexander did say:
“I can understand that people would like to hear numbers. We can assure the public that there was so little change in the radiation sensors near the leak that it was barely measurable at all, and there was no change in the sensor readings elsewhere on the property, which means it was minor and it was localized.”
Also, keep in mind that even if you are dunked in a nuclear reactor, it won’t injure you:
Asked about the worker who fell into the pool, Alexander said: “He is doing very well. He experienced no physical injury. We put him through a battery of medical exams and there was no significant radiological contamination. He picked up just a little bit. The water contains a low-level amount of radiation, but examinations of his skin surface and internal testing found no significant contamination. He is healthy and was able to return to work immediately.”
h/t Anonymous tip
See also:
- Plant spokeswoman says radioactive water leaks at Minnesota’s Prairie Island nuclear plant pose “no risk”
- WABE: Protestors Call on Regulators to Suspend Georgia Nuclear Project (2012-02-08)
- Brazil delays nuclear plans after Japan disaster – MarketWatch
- Swiss nuclear reactor shuts down: Associated Press
Published: February 8th, 2012 at 6:29 pm ET
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The bottom line is not about protecting and informing the public about the dangers it’s about BIG BUSINESS avoiding an astronomical increase in their insurance premiums!
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Looks like protecting and informing the public will have to be done by – protective and informed citizens: downwind of Oceanside just 150 miles here in Windio CA, we may finally bust the budget and buy our own detector, so as to avoid additional contaminated hot air eminating from the print and broadcast media waste dump sites.
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Great news!!
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Yes but remember, Edison just like Tepco and any others are only allowed to build and operate nuclear plant by governments, which also waive insurance requirements, meaning when something goes wrong it’s the taxpayers who get the bill.
Big business gets to be a bully because it is backed by the even bigger bully, government. If you think about it, our whole society is built on bullying, and this is the reason why it is self-destructing faster and faster. Violence only leads to destruction!
I don’t know if it’s too late or not. I try to not bully anyone anymore, starting with not bullying myself, which is perhaps the most difficult thing for me to do.
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Taxpayers! Yes! NHK had a story today that Tepco was going to increase it’s rates 17% for business consumers. Same as taxes; the people pay. There was no mention of what, if any, increase would be required for households. You betcha!
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History inevitably reveals the truth and unfortunately THAT truth may be that most of the West coast population will cease to exist in 20-30yrs
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If it was “there was so little change in the radiation sensors near the leak that it was barely measurable at all”, then what’s the big deal with sharing the data? Shouldn’t be any problem at all right? What’s the problem with showing the data? If it was so small – proof wouldn’t hurt…
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The release from fukushima is what they are trying to cover up. If they turn those monitors on, California would become aware of the situation.
Note there are 3million more residents in California than in the entire nation of canada.
Tepcos simply can not afford to tell the united states the truth. I often wonder why the USA is going along with this mass genocide in the first place? Doesn’t anyone in office care?
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$$$$$ that’s why, and the negative cost of relocating 50 million people from the west coast!
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@Tacoma…Astute observation!
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The Mayor said Councils’ role was to listen.
The spokes-flack said they were there to listen.
I had a dog that was a good listener.
He was also honest and concerned with protecting me.
He would have been a good Mayor.
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Can someone please tell the Iranians that they should please discontinue their ‘peaceful nuclear reactors’ for their own people’s sake, and ignore the saber rattling? These plants will be just as dangerous as bombs, they will be the same as bombs…don’t they have any idea of what is going on in Japan?
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I’m sure there are some in this country that instead of seeing a tragedy happen in Fulushima all they say was $signs
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“Saw” is what I meant
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Wow more leaks??
Are they just not manning any reactors anymore?
“No leaks” should be the standard. Instead we have a new one every week, it seems.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-label-bulk-buying-of-food-a-potential-terrorist-activity.html
Feds Label Bulk Buying of Food a Potential Terrorist Activity
Despite the fact that FEMA itself spent $1 billion dollars on storable food last year alone
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, February 8, 2012
As part of its effort to encourage business owners to spy on their customers, the FBI has labeled the bulk purchase of food as a potential indication of terrorist activity, despite the fact that FEMA itself last year purchased $1 billion dollars worth of storable food.
A flyer aimed at Military Surplus stores produced under the auspices of the FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism project, encourages owners to report people who “make bulk purchases of items to include….meals ready to eat”.
According to the flyer, the FBI advises store owners to demand ID’s from all new customers, as well as asking them questions about their purchase and being aware of “suspicious statements”.
The flyer also characterizes paying with cash or “demanding identity privacy” as an indication of terrorism.
The characterization by the feds of those who choose to protect themselves against rising food prices or a potential interruption in the food supply by purchasing storable food as potential terrorists is not only chilling – it is also completely hypocritical.
cont: http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-label-bulk-buying-of-food-a-potential-terrorist-activity.html
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We put up with it. The turd who wrote this absurdity should be dragged out into the street and tarred and feathered. The fact that this does not happen shows that nobody really cares anymore. Can’t imagine that our parents generation would have let this kind of imbecile live, never mind let them run the country.
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I get the impression TACOMA that the FEDS don’t want anybody trying to survive a cataclysm event unless they are on their LIVE list!
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It’s just a matter of time before the fbi ‘suits’ and related state and federal authorities start to focus on their worst nightmare coming true – citizens choosing to protect themselves against rising food prices or a potential interruption in the food supply by hijacking grocery delivery trucks and looting foodstore shelves, as well as not paying taxes or government fees, and launching a nationwide civilian financial strike.
Think it can’t happen here? See the current and worsening implosion of Greek state revenues as their civilian populace becomes aware of what they must do to protect themselves from the collapse of a government/bank sponsored, 30 year-plus, worldwide debt-binge cum credit collapse:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/summary-greek-reform-pledges
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They dare charge us inflated prices for radioactive food. That’s the worst part! We are paying through the nose to get poisoned.
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Do any of us yet know who was responsible for the global economic collapse? Do they have names, and most importantly are any of them facing criminal charges?
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Sorry this is off topic, please ignore…..my bad.
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It may be technically off-topic, but the web of financial connections becomes very relevant in the discussion of the nuclear industry and all their friends.
I think you can talk about it at the link below, if it’s not directly relevant to a discussion:
http://enenews.com/forum-discussion-thread-feb-2-8-2012
One thread you might like is:
http://enenews.com/nhk-effect-of-radiation-on-chromosomes-of-fukushima-wildlife-to-be-checked-by-govt-plant-and-animal-appearance-reproductive-function-as-well/comment-page-1#comment-195384
A bunch of us were figuring out a lot of financial connections to TEPCO and other nuclear agencies.
Following the money is always good to do!
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And our gubMINT has done it’s utmost to assure this chaos will happen by refusing to hear OWS, repressing them instead. This totalitarian repression brought us one step closer to riots.
Stupidity knows no reason.
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They infiltrate OWS too. Very clever they are.
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Though the greek folks should’ve start to pay their taxes at a certain point in the past…they owe billions over billions to their state which they expect to care for them. I feel very sorry for the honest and the young over there.
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Think everyone will find local government is not supposed to do the monitoring..US Government is in charge of the radiation monitoring. Locally, near a nuclear plant, water districts do not monitor water for nuclides–they are not allowed to perform those kinds of tests. Now, from my point of view, dont care WHO does the testing..just want it done, and the results provided immediately to the public. We paid for it..in many ways..
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This IS the point, the U.S. Government doesn’t care about your point of view “jec” only the views of Nuclear Industry Moguls.
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Honestly people, don’t you think we have reached the threshold in this event that governments around the world should be working on contingency plans for their populations. This is a catastrophic event capable of wiping out the entirety of the human race. It is not going to diminish in 20, 30, 50 or 100yrs. It will just be getting started. They can wish and smile all they want, the reality is this is going to kill hundreds of millions in a lot shorter time span than one thinks. Governments should be working out a plan on trying to save at least part of the global population before they are contaminated by radiation. For the rest of us they should be giving us real options about longevity of life. I think that at this point the entire global population should be trying to learn how to live daily in radiation suits. I know this sounds extreme, but someone please tell me that’s not where we are at this juncture. If they don’t come up with plan soon you can kiss this planets human race goodbye because within 5yrs it’s population will have been radioactively neutered or irreparably genetically altered!
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Thanks Later, but it was decades of financial collapse ago (1969, 1973, 1980, 1990, 2000 and 2007) when I reached the thresholds that it was not the government, but rather I, my family, friends and community that should be working on contingency plans to save ourselves and our population; history is now just repeating itself, be it in familiar financial ways, as well as in the post 3/11/11 new nuclear surprises.
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Point well taken Jump, but don’t you think the apparatus they have been erecting is to destroy this philosophy, which is not a philosophy, but the instinctive will to survive?.
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Since the 1960s, I’ve thought of the splitting of the atom as the trigger for our evolutionary imperative. We took the power of the universe, the power once attributed only to gods into our hands. But those hands were, and remain the hands of children. Nuclear fission mandated that we evolve in consciousness, in spiritually, to where we quit running around the planet like bully, king of the mountain, pushy, macho boys.
We have needed to evolve our morality and ethics to a similar degree to match our awesome technological evolution. So far, we have failed miserably; we have not accomplished the evolutionary mandate. Perhaps we won’t. Perhaps we will end up just another little failed experiment on the dustpile of cosmic evolution.
So, I agree with your assessment, Laterluke… I can’t put years or time on it; but I can only see that right now, unless we wise up, we are failing the evolutionary imperative.
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It’s the pipe gremlins again, in Minnesota:
“Xcel representatives say a break in a 2-inch pipe caused a chlorine bleach leak. The chemical is used to clean river water needed to cool the plant. [...]
“There was no release of this chemical to the river, the material was contained to within inside the berm and there were no injuries associated with this event,” said Dennis Koehl, Xcel chief nuclear officer.”
““Again there was no radiological release or threat of release and health was not threatened by this event,” Koehl said.”
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/01/05/reported-nuclear-leak-closes-schools-near-prairie-island/
The OP article implies tritium may have been released this time (in addition to an incident in November which definitely released tritium!) but the wording is vague (http://www.republican-eagle.com/event/article/id/79344/):
“Nearly 4,000 gallons of water containing “small amounts” of tritium and “trace amounts” of other chemicals have been released by Prairie Island nuclear plant since November, plant spokeswoman Mary Sandok said Wednesday.
The most recent leak, occurring when 27 gallons of water that had condensed from heating system steam overflowed a holding tank, happened Feb. 3.”
It says 3,900 gallons of tritium-containing water were released in late November.
The MPCA has some skeletons in the closet to do with how it handles environmental conflicts of interest:
http://www.citypages.com/content/printVersion/16742/
PFC researcher Dr. Fardin Oliaei, PhD, was forced to resign for her pioneering research onresearching chemicals released by 3M, and still is blacklisted from finding employment:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/Pollution/Perfluorinated-Chemicals/Minnesota–PCA-whistleblower-has-paid-a-steep-pric.aspx
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(contd.)
So supposedly Prairie Island fixed the pipe problem after the November incident:
http://robertsingleton.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/event-report-minnesota-nuke-leaked-tritium-late-last-year/
Beyond Nuclear goes into detail about what chemicals were released when.
It says up to 3,900 gallons were released in November, with a “concentration of 9,430 picoCuries per Liter (pCi/L). This tritium concentration is nearly half the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Safe Drinking Water Act limit of 20,000 pCi/L. Such a limit should not be regarded as “safe,” but rather as “acceptably risky” according to the agency, which has done a cost (to the public’s health)-benefit (to Xcel Energy’s bottom line) analysis to arrive at its limit”.
This is what was supposedly released 3 days ago:
“1) 11.2 ppm of methoxy propylamine (MPA);
2) 8.1ppm of ammonia;
3) 11.2 ppb of hydrazine;
4) 1.50 E-5 microCi/mL (15,000 pCi/L) of tritium.”
[bolding mine]
Beyond Nuclear says the November incident was not reported until 2 months later, or last Thursday, and that now they report the similar incident occurring on Friday. They also never bothered to report the November spill to the Prairie Island Dakota Indian Community, against whose wishes they built the reactors on their land in the first place. To make things worse, they didn’t even report this new spill to the Dakota Community until Monday because it happened after business hours.
“Something is suspicious about Xcel [power company who runs the plants] waiting over 2 months, till last Thursday, to report a tritium spill from November 2011, only to now report a second, very similar-sounding spill of tritium, hydrazine, and other toxic chemicals, which apparently occurred on Friday.”
So, they lied about the new spill not being radioactive. And they have totally disrespected the surrounding Native community, as well.
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Forgot link for Beyond Nuclear piece on Minnesota leaks:
http://www.beyondnuclear.org/tritium/2012/2/7/two-separate-tritium-and-toxic-chemical-leaks-admitted-by-xc.html
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Holy God. Good find.
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Interesting reads:
http://diseaseclimate.blogspot.com/
New livestock virus appears to be rapidly spreading in Europe (Schmallenberg virus)
http://diseaseclimate.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-livestock-virus-appears-to-be.html
New Animal Virus Takes Northern Europe by Surprise
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/01/new-animal-virus-takes-northern-.html
New virus from Africa and Oceania spreads in German cattle
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/health/news/article_1676584.php/New-virus-from-Africa-and-Oceania-spreads-in-German-cattle
Huge Cadmium spill threatens wildlife, fish-stocks and the water supply of millions of Chinese
http://diseaseclimate.blogspot.com/2012/01/huge-cadmium-spill-threatens-wildlife.html
(cadmium is a radioactive element).
Large Outbreak of Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease in Deer.
http://diseaseclimate.blogspot.com/2012/01/large-outbreak-of-epizootic-hemorrhagic.html
http://www.dec.ny.gov/images/wildlife_images/ehdus.gif
Mercury (radioactive element). Note: May be the answer to Alaskan Seal die-off?…
http://diseaseclimate.blogspot.com/2012/01/mercury.html
By eating too much cod that may be contaminated with high levels of mercury???
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The Gov checks! When it’s suitable for them I see.
No radiation fear from mobile towers: Sibal
Deccan Herald
Union Communications and Information Technology minister Kapil Sibal said on Wednesday that the government will ensure electro-magnetic radiation from mobile phones and towers across the country was within prescribed limits.
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/225693/no-radiation-fear-mobile-towers.html
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May be
But it’s not within my limits since they won’t tell me what the emissions are nor the numbers of their limits.
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Air radiation drops after snowfall / But decontamination necessary, levels will rise once snow melts, experts say
The Yomiuri Shimbun
The Fukushima prefectural government has received many inquiries because air radiation levels across the prefecture following the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant declined considerably late January and have since remained constant, perhaps due to fallen snow blocking radiation above the ground.
According to monitoring by the Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry and others, the rate of decline was particularly large in the Akougi district in Namie and the Nagadoro district in Iitate, located in the expanded evacuation zone around the nuclear plant.
Radiation measuring found that the Akougi district had a reading of 19.7 microsieverts per hour in the morning of Jan. 25, down from 30 microsieverts per hour recorded in the morning of Jan. 18.
Air radiation levels also decreased to 5.9 microsieverts per hour from 10 microsieverts per hour over the same period in the Nagadoro district.
It is believed there were no major changes in air radiation levels before Jan. 18 and after Jan. 25.
According to the ministry’s Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters, the decline can be attributed only to snowfall since decontamination operations were not conducted in the areas at the time.
The Fukushima Meteorological Observatory said snow accumulation is not monitored in Namie and Iitate, but temperatures and other factors suggest the town and the village had snow from Jan. 20 to 22.
The prefectural emergency response headquarters said radiation levels also declined in the city of Fukushima. While such levels measured 0.84 microsievert per hour at 6 p.m. on Jan. 21 when snow began to fall, at 9 p.m. on Jan. 22, after snowfall, radiation levels in the air measured 0.62 microsievert per hour.
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But what are the radiation levels _before_ it snows?
This article about the snow feels very misleading. I got the sore throat during a heavy snowing, which subsided when I went indoors and promptly came back as soon as I went back out in the snow. I’m sure others can confirm that the radiation rises while it’s snowing.
The snow and rain bring the fallout down. If it decreases, it’s surely because they are measuring levels in the air. Of course it’s going to go down after it snows, because it’s done snowing!
They should tell us the levels before the snowfall. They make it look like the snow blocks radiation, when in fact I say the snow brings radiation.
+The post-snow levels seem low, but I bet are still higher than the levels before it snowed.+
Tell us the levels before the snows, Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters, _not_ “when snow began to fall”. That was when the levels were already elevated from the fallout coming down.
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Farmer Masuo Kaneko, 63, who evacuated to the city from Nagadoro district, said after reading the newspapers he thought the radiation levels were dropping rapidly. But he was disappointed to hear the decline was due to snowfall.
“I expected radiation levels to halve in about two years time,” he said.
Tokyo Institute of Technology Associate Professor Keiji Saneyoshi said air radiation levels may halve if about 20 centimeters of snow falls in certain areas. “Yet decontamination work needs to continue since the levels will rise again once the snow melts,” Saneyoshi said.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120207005622.htm
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Yes the levels will rise once the snow melts, because it’s being drawn back upward to where it was before
It’s a big deception. They just move the numbers around to make the people think some improvement has happened. It’s not gonna happen within minutes!
And they have the poor residents hanging on their words of decreasing and then increasing radiation – what a roller-coaster ride it must feel like.
Am I wrong here? I don’t think so.
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No you got it. Its all a farce fantasy anyways (decontamination efforts etc) until the ONGOING emissions have ceased, isn’t it?
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Yes Anthony. We all know that bioaccumulations will not slow or cease unless and until they solve this bad boy. And, as many know,…there is no solution for a problem until one accepts that there IS A PROBLEM.
Hey TPTB,….”Houston,….we’ve GOT A PROBLEM”. You can say it,…it’s not that hard. See here,…pucker your lips and say, “PROBLEM”,…got it?
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If only the masters could find some way of living without having to eat they might, just might escape the fate of their captives!
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I would like to say good on San Clemente residents.
That’s the first step.
Sounds to me like the FED is scared. They should be. Americans are fed up. They should fix the problem instead of creating laws to make american citizens terrorists.
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Everyone needs a Bug-Out-Bag and another home and job far away from where you used to live !
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OK
Here is the math for getting some perspective on
“He picked up just a little bit. The water contains a low-level amount of radiation…”
Plutonium has a density of about 19840 kg/m^3
Which is 19840000 g/m^3
Which means that 1 m^3 has 1.984×10^13 ug
Which means that a cube of Plutonium that is 36.9 um on edge
will weigh in at 1 ug.
Recall that 25.4um is 1/1000 of an inch.
Also note that typical human hair ranges in diameter from about 17 to 180 um (about 2/3 of a mil to 7 mils)
Most hair I have measured under a microscope was on the order of 2 to 3 mils in diameter.
So a chunk of Plutonium about the width of a SMALL diameter human hair is the magic size that (is said) WILL GIVE YOU CANCER
Just some perspective.
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I’m going to go off topic to say a big Thank You. My niece graduated university with a degree in communication. She spent a few months in LA this past summer mingling with the “it crowd” and returned to tell me all her dreams could come true moving out west. We sat down and I had her read many articles and comments from this site. Although she is more then upset her plans need to be adjusted, she is smart enough to realize LA isn’t a wise choice.
Her younger sister has spent the last few years learning the language and culture of Japan and they were planning a trip for her high school graduation this summer, it’s now been shelved.
I’m well aware there are many families sidelined by this disaster, and many more that aren’t getting the proper information.
I’m not the sharpest crayon in the box and without all your time and effort I might have lost family nearest and dearest to me. So again, thank you to all that contribute your worthy insight to those of us that need it in so many ways. Your the best!
Debbie
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“The plant monitors groundwater at Prairie Island and has seen no increase of tritium in the groundwater, Sandok said. Still, she added that any impact from the spills would not have shown up yet.
Classic stuff there, huh?
What elephant?
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Edison, by law, must disclose leaks, exposures and carcinogenic/teratogenic/mutagenic (incl radioactive) materials to anyone who inquires. Calofornia has a law called “Proposition 65″ (also called “Right-to-Know”) that requires this. OSHA will willingly fine companies for violations, particularly Cal-OSHA. CA is the only state in which OSHA did not generate significant revenue; they are under pressure to reform. Reports of willful OSHA violations will result in inspections and impositions of fines. Do not hesitate to report companies who are not disclosing information.
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