NOAA: No radiation levels that would “directly” cause seal deaths, Fukushima not a “primary factor” — AP misreports this as “scientists find no radiation” — Cesium levels not released

Published: February 17th, 2012 at 11:27 pm ET
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National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
2011 Northern Pinnipeds
Unusual Mortality Event (UME)
Preliminary Assessment of Radionuclide Exposure
Date: February 17, 2012

Emphasis Added

Summary of findings: Scientists have conducted preliminary qualitative screening of a few tissue samples from both healthy and sick pinnipeds (ice seals and walruses) involved in this UME for possible radionuclide exposure. No radiation levels were found in these samples that would directly cause the symptoms seen in the pinnipeds. Test results show radiation levels are within the typical background range for Alaska. 

An international team of scientists continues to investigate the cause of the 2011 Northern Pinnipeds UME. This investigation includes a broad assessment of a number of potential contributing factors to the disease outbreak.

Because of the timing and scope of the March 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident in Japan, radiation exposure is one of many factors being assessed.

At this point, scientists do not believe that radiation is a primary factor in this UME or that radiation is causing the symptoms and deaths in pinnipeds.

Marine animals and fish close to the accident site in Japan were impacted, but there is no evidence that supports any impacts to marine animals in Alaska.

Scientists studied and considered the wind and ocean patterns in relation to the nuclear accident in Japan in their assessment.

The UME investigative team is committed to continued testing of samples from both sick and healthy pinnipeds to document current levels of radionuclides in these species.

Drs. John Kelley and Douglas Dasher, who are the leads for the UME radiation assessment, are working with the University of Alaska Fairbanks’ School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences and College of Natural Science and Mathematics Engineering, Science and Technology Experiment Station on this investigation.

Muscle tissues from sick and healthy pinnipeds will be measured for the presence of Cesium-134 (134Cs) and Cesium-137 (137Cs).

Using the 134Cs/137Cs ratio from the Fukushima accident the amount of 137Cs contributed by Fukushima can be estimated.

The results for each sample will go through quality assurance first and be provided to the UME working group followed by timely reporting to the public.

Any finding of radiation levels that exceed human food consumption guidelines would be immediately reported to the Alaska Public Health authorities, subsistence hunters and their communities.

It appears the muscles tissue has yet to be checked for cesium.

Yet the AP headline reads: Scientists find no radiation in Alaska’s sick ringed seals

At least Reuters interpreted NOAA’s information correctly in its headline: Radiation ruled out, for now, as cause of Alaska seal deaths

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116 comments to NOAA: No radiation levels that would “directly” cause seal deaths, Fukushima not a “primary factor” — AP misreports this as “scientists find no radiation” — Cesium levels not released

  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Why do I find it almost impossible to believe anything I hear or read?


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  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Sounds like a bunch of double speak to me!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    At this point we can't be blamed for scrutinizing any and all 'official' 'not-to-worry' pronounements hyper-vigilantly.

    You just about know there's gotta be a 'catch' somewhere.

    Like – cesium collects in muscle tissue. So if they were testing for cesium, wouldn't the muscle tissue be the first place to check?

    Also, what about plutonium? There must be plutonium in the ocean water. Since it is so highly toxic, one would think that it would be one of the things always to check for.

    Also – why release any information when they are not done with the testing? It doesn't seem scientific.


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  • Nuclear Bafflegab: what is it?
    http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3092659

    How long does it take to check for cesium in the muscle or tissue?

    It is animal laying out in a room somewhere, rotting away?

    Or is it sitting in a freezer?

    Maybe they are hoping that if it takes thirty years to test it, that the cesium will have been cut by a huge amount, and it will test 'safe'.

    From what I have seen, if you have the proper testing equipment, it only takes about FIVE MINUTES to test a human or a vegetable, or a SEAL, for radiation internally.

    I am assuming that since no test result has come out for radiation, that either the whole Fairbanks University has no internal radiation testing equipment, or that they are refusing to test it for some other reason..

    It does not take this long to test for radiation, period.


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    • bluerthanblu bluerthanblu

      Exactly what I expected after not hearing a result within a month of stated intent to test ringed seals for radiation. Clearly they are waiting as long as possible to lower the radiation count but they need not bother if Cesium will be the only isotope tested! Radiation levels found cannot be released due to the fact that Alaskans will realize they were exposed to high levels, their food is highly contaminated, AK background radiation increased significantly, and not one scientist/official felt compelled to advise anyone about potential thyroid exposure, let alone the dangers of continued exposure to a myriad of fresh isotopes and their decay. We don't see published results of testing Alaskan fish that seals and humans eat let alone ocean isotope graphs. The bubble of silence surrounding radiation testing of air, water, soil, animals, food, and humans does not let out one squeak or whistle of information, unless to obfuscate and sanitize the actions of all parties dependent on nuclear industry money or political support. I am disgusted/fed up with this bullshit cover up!

      When are we going to rip the lid off this entrenched corporatocracy that commits scientists to ill-wrought investigations, outright evidence manipulation, and half-baked conclusions? All their hard work is useless if objective results cannot be published. What is it going to take to realize the military-industrial complex is killing information needed by every human/animal on the planet to survive, including their own leaders!? Urgent: One brave soul needs to step up to the plate and tell the truth about the increase in background Alaska radiation, ocean/animal isotope levels, and why you have not tested the seals for Cesium+other isotopes, YET? Please Disclose the truth for everyone's benefit, NOW. Thank you- :)


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    • Silent Gag Order ? There is a gag order over the Gulf, seems to go up the east coast also, we are not getting answers to deaths of really anything that is dieing out there in the masses !!

      http://mass-animal-death.beforeitsnews.com/

      http://members.beforeitsnews.com/stories/by/0000000000004882

      : (


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  • Liars. This is the same game that was played with the bee collapse and pesticides.

    No, it wasn't a pesticide, reported the New York Times; rather, it was a combination of fungus and mites.

    Until the definitive evidence was produced that the person researching the bee fungus/mite thing was on the payroll of the same chemical company that produced the very pesticide now proven to be causing bee collapse. http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/bias-in-bee-study.html

    The pesticide weakened the bees making them vulnerable to the mites and fungus. No doubt same thing is happening to the bats.

    In the story above about the seals, it appears the media are complicit given the careful framing of radiation effects in the story.

    I've recently documented deliberate propaganda by Reuters
    http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/propaganda-reuters-and-fukushima.html

    and previously documented it by the Wall Street Journal.

    Mainstream media reporters are either very dumb or very complicit. My bet is both cases apply.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Thanks majia. A quick comment about the bees – I had been wondering how the bee story would resolve and had heard absolutely nothing after the initial "end of the world" headlines a few years ago. Same for the amphibians, come to think of it. I'll look for that story in your blog also.

      The chemical company you refer to is often in the news for similar reasons….

      "The news cements Bayer's reputation as the most ethically challenged pharma company in the business — it is only the latest in an increasingly long string of citations and settlements in which Bayer has been accused of deceptive marketing."

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42840590/bayers-advertising-for-contraceptive-yaz-was-misleading/

      "Connections: Bayer AG has direct or once-removed relationships with 155 people, organizations or other entities in our database of the most influential people in America. Under a scoring system that gives more weight to direct links, this score is higher than 82% of all entries."

      http://www.muckety.com/Bayer-AG/5003708.muckety

      Lest you think I'm drifting off topic… Bayer director Klaus Kleinfeld is a former head of Siemens – the German industrial giant that built all 17 of Germany's nuclear plants – but he was kicked out in a scandal-ridden corporate coup.

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,479631,00.html

      Perhaps all roads lead to nukes in the corporate world. The seals don't stand much of a chance.


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      • vivvi

        Yes, it was interesting to find out that a private prison company called SERCO, who is set to run a new local megaprison, is a huge multinational concern that is also deeply involved worldwide in military activities, public utility management, school operations, and, … wait for it …. Manufacture of ATOMIC WEAPONS. Yes, folks, this warm and fuzzy bunch of prison labour exploiters also MANUFACTURE ATOMIC BOMBS.

        Makes me wonder if the unwilling victims of the so called justice system are participating in company research.


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        • aigeezer aigeezer

          Yes, vivvi. Serco is no ordinary company.

          Some snippets from their website:

          "The company has qualified people who have worked on nearly every civil nuclear site in the UK, and many of its 400 plus professionals, engineers and scientists are internationally recognised for their expertise."

          "We support the operation of over 20 nuclear reactors, and serve as the lead nuclear safety advisor to Westinghouse…."

          "Serco manages the UK Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) as part of a consortium with Lockheed Martin and Jacobs."

          Weapons, peaceful uses, what the heck, they do it all. One big happy family.

          http://www.serco.com/


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          • vivvi

            The little airhead at the employment agency wanted to send my resume to these mother-rapists, after all, what does it matter, she figures, as long as it puts food on the table. If I have to choose between poverty, and working for these immoral slave-traders to help them profit from exploiting victims of the injustice system, I choose poverty. This is one despotic evil corporate vampire squid. I would not be at all surprised if their captive prison slave population was used for illegal radiation experiments to boost the profits of their nuclear operations. I think if we wait a bit longer, we will see prisoners sent to places like fukushima to work as slaves for their nuke operations.


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            • vivvi

              And lest we forget BAYER. their company logo, a circle with a cross in the middle, forms a greek symbol for the sun, that is HELIOS. This is an illuminati company displaying its masonic SUN WORSHIP allegiance. There are only hundreds more examples of this " we are sacrificing you to our pagan gods" symbolism. Look at TEPCO for example, their logo is a MASONIC TAU CROSS. An altar, in fact. Tough luck, Japan, you just got sacrificed to the pagan sun god.


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  • Bobby1

    It sounds like they just checked the seals with a Geiger counter. The area which the seals inhabit was exposed to high levels of radiation from dangerous short half-life isotopes like lead-212 and thallium-208. Of course, they won't find these isotopes there now, even if they tested for them, which they didn't. They didn't even test for cesium.


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  • bfly

    Smoke and Mirrors, I agree with all the above. It must have taken extra long for the report to come out .So there lawyers could go over every word.Disgusting!


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  • ageezerofgiza

    NOAA says "showed no radiation levels that would have directly caused the symptoms." But that statement is ambiguous. It does not say "no radiation present".
    It implies that there might well be radiation present, but that in their subjective view, it didn't cause the problem!


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      Yep. Right up there with "no IMMEDIATE health concern".


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      • jec jec

        "PLAYBOOK" is the same as for TMI, inital
        Fukushima response as you mention. No "immediate" means in the next few hours, but get the heck out of Dodge. Poor seals, they cant read or understand our language. Guess they are responsiblefor their illnesses because they didnt evacuate.


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  • I still find it hard to understand why career scientists would compromise their integrity so.

    I wonder if they have trouble sleeping at night.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Japanese College Students' Protest "Stop Calling Murder A Science!"/京大生御用学者に抗議

    Please click on "cc" button if you don't see the English subtitles./字幕は「cc」をクリックすれば消えます。

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImagF4DNlI4


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  • lam335 lam335

    re: ". No radiation levels were found in these samples that would directly cause the symptoms seen in the pinnipeds…"

    Sounds like the NOAA has taken a page out of the nuke industry/"health physics" playbook. This is exactly the same tactic that was used after TMI and all subsequent nuclear accidents—when disease turns up, they say it could not possibly have been caused by the rad exposure because those exposure levels cannot possibly cause such results. Any results must therefore be caused by something else. It all depends on the validity of the risk-asessment models, but they never step back and question them–even though those models are dated and partial and honest scientists will admit that models based on the brief, intense exposure of atomic bomb survivors are not ideal for assessing the risk from long-term, low-level exposure from internal emitters.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    All of these professionals are on a leash and they know it. What would endanger their careers would be telling the truth! And jobs are very scarce right now, in this economy.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    I may be the case that the radiation was not responsible for the lesions appearing or the deaths. However, it could be contributory, such as weakening immune response and making the animals more susceptible to environmental infections.

    As a rule, the first part of an animal to be visibly affected by external radiation contact in a solution such as sea water are the cornea. You would tend to see fogging of the eyes before you saw lesions in the hides.

    Food chain would be more likely with clear eyed mammals, as the source of contamination, and that affects the immune system first.

    Second would be mutated microbe infections. But that is a bit quick for a strain to cover so much territory that quickly. The herds tend to stick together and not intermingle readily. But it is mildly possible.


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  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    Well I believe that the Fukushima Disaster IS responsible for what the pinnipeds are going through even if they won't attribute it to Fukushima radiation. Just think about the millions of tonnes of waste, chemicals, and various types of pollution that was washed out to sea by the earthquake and subsequent tsunami. I realize that Alaska is a long way from Japan, but at the same time don't underestimate the power and influence of the North Pacific Gyer!


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  • Strangle Nuke with Impediments

    web banner
    6930 Carroll Avenue, #340, Takoma Park, MD 20912; 301-270-6477; nirsnet@nirs.org; http://www.nirs.org
    TELL THE NRC:
    PROTECT AMERICANS, NOT THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY
    EXPAND EMERGENCY EVACUATION ZONES AROUND U.S. REACTORS

    PLUS: GOOD NEWS ON NUCLEAR LOAN PROGRAM!

    February 15, 2012

    Dear Friends,

    Today, NIRS and 37 other organizations submitted a formal Petition for Rulemaking to the NRC to expand emergency evacuation zones around U.S. nuclear reactors and make other improvements in emergency preparedness. We're calling this the Nuclear 911 campaign.

    Link to petition here:
    http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/02/strangle-nuke-with-impediments.html


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  • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

    I'm not buying it, something stinks real bad about this. This not what we want, what we want is NO NUKES!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Trying to save the nuke industry by promising 'improvements' . But they don't follow the rules/standards NOW. This is BS band aid level promises, promises, that are not worth the paper they are written on; what is needed is no nukes, no how, no way !

    It is reminding me of Green Eggs and Ham – would you like them in a box; would you like them with a fox?


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    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      Exactly Bleep, and they should be protecting Americans now by telling us the truth about what is really gong on with Fukushima. What are the dangers, how much of the American public has been exposed to life altering doses of radiation (In any amount), instead of protecting investors, and the stock market.
      I mean seriously, EPA: the MILK, over time, is probably going to kill you, Stockholder: sshhh don't tell them that. Keep selling the milk nobody drinking it but babies and children anyhow.
      All they are trying to do is keep a sinking ship afloat as long as they can for their own benefit, forget he rest!


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  • arclight arclight

    It appears the muscles tissue has yet to be checked for cesium.

    efficient fuckers! eh?


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    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      That's right arc, they just keep kicking the can down the road…That is the NRC strategy. Couple of years down the road when new diseases break out and increases of cancers are at all time highs, then they will have the media come out and say, (the EPA is planning an investigation into whether or not there could be a link between the rise in cancer rates and the Fukushima disaster). Then another year later the media will say, (As we first told in in such and such month last year that the EPA planned on investigating the increase in cancers nationwide we are informing that last month they began their investigation into the possible link of the Fukushima Disaster and the skyrocketing cancer rates among American's. They are due to report the results of the investigation in such and such month of next year about their findings), and most of you know how it goes on from there.


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  • pure water

    We have noticed this pattern:
    1."Do not worry, it is safe/has nothing to do with the radiation.
    2."We will mesure radiation later".
    The same here:
    An Environment Ministry official said that because water blocks a large portion of radiation, there is little danger to people spending time near the water even if radiation levels on the river bottom are high.

    "However, we will continuously monitor [the situation] since we don't know about how much radioactive material is transferred [from water to fish]," the official added.
    http://fukushima-is-still-news.over-blog.com/article-update-on-radioactive-waste—feb-17-2012-99490359.html


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  • pure water

    dosdos@ said above an important thing – the eyes will be one of the first damaged organs and easy ones for testing. Deformed white blood cells and low hemoglobin will fill the picture.


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  • dear jones

    The so call Scientists studied which sponsor by some rich organization said that they did not find enough Cesium that actually cover the whole body of the seal and block their nose directly causing them stop breathing and dead.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Wonder what “directly” means to them?

    Sorry not buying this, just like I don't believe the gulf is fine and well.


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  • Alice Alice

    Well then, of course it's not a primary factor because the Fukushima accident occurred in Japan.

    It's a secondary factor, indirectly through the seals' nervous and muscular systems and manifesting as death.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    That's newspeak for "The seals were killed by Fukushima radiation, but not immediately since they were not near the reactor"–as if it mattered? Alaska was hit very hard with Fukushima radiation, along with the entire west coast of North America, very early on. If you have been paying attention (and most people not on this site have not been) the cause and effect are pretty obvious.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi milk and cheese

      I agree..Reading in between the lines, that is exactly what it says.


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    • many moons

      also, perhaps the seals have been feeding on fish that were near the reactor, and then the fish swam in the direction of Alaska, and the seals swam in the direction of Japan, thay met up some where in the middle, the seals ate the fish and so therefore were"not directly effected by Fukushima" but died because the fish were not healthy for eating.


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  • CB CB

    Fukushima Temp rises Highest Yet – Evacuate Tokyo. 18 Feb 2012. (Video)
    http://www.codewolf.com/story/article_1100455.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
    Video looks to reference enenews.com during video.


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  • maaa

    Did seals die in masses before Fukushima? If not you have your answer.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      @maaa. I would most humbly like to request that you re-read a post I made a few days ago. I've asked you to do this several times, but I guess you have missed my posts. You seemed to so completely misunderstand, or to have misread what I said, that I questioned how you came up with the idea that I thought it was alright to eat poison!?!?~~
      So, please check out comments here:
      enenews.com/governor-why-has-nobody-been-arrested-for-fukushima-people-should-be-held-criminally-responsible … from my comment through about the next 5, through vivvi. I would really appreciate some clarification on this. Thank you.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Yes, maaa. they did. Here's a report of the phenomenon dated January, 2011 (two months before the Japanese disaster).

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/mass-animal-deaths-continue-hundreds-of-cows-seals-found-dead.html

      This fact neither confirms nor disproves the effects of Fukushima on seals. It is a useful reminder that we should all be careful in drawing conclusions though.


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  • goathead goathead

    This came on the news today….. http://www.sussex.org.uk/sussex-farms-hit-by-new-sheep-virus/

    They say there's an outbreak of the " Schmallenburg virus " in Britain that began in northern Europe last summer.

    "Early signs of the disease included a reduced milk yield and fever and it was only later that vets realised the virus also caused stillbirths and miscarriages as well as serious birth deformities on the affected farms"

    When I heard about "deformities" being mentioned, I immediately thought about the trumped up seal virus!!


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  • goathead goathead

    http://fazd.tamu.edu/2012/01/schmallenberg-virus-detected-in-sheep-in-britain/

    "although the precise means of transmission to animals has not been scientifically proven."


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi goathead

      That is another problem every Country has, creations of new virus's.

      Radiation will kill, and those left including animals will have to fight off new virus's.


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    • arclight arclight

      nice find goathead.. im very suspicious of these virus claims since the uk tried to blame the cancerclusters around npp`s.. thanks for posting.. will hope busby can test the lamb for cesium levels to see if they have gone up! suspect scottish and new zealand too!! :(

      thatll be the last of the uk mutton for me then!! and the NZstuff!


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  • goathead goathead

    Hey there WindorSolarPlease!

    I agree!!

    Here's another link with a map and at the end of the comments, someone suggests Fukushima!!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jan/23/schmallenberg-virus-confirmed-uk-farms


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hey goathead

      Someone on that site, understands about this disaster.

      We know that things will be not be blamed on this disaster, just as the gulf disaster was not blamed for many things also.

      Energy corporations must be protected. (sarc)


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  • goathead goathead

    Hey arclight!

    I was just in NZ!!

    It pained me to think of such a paradise only downstream from FUKU!!

    I had fish and chips though!! It was tasty!! Damn it was tasty!!


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  • or-well

    Why spokesperson Speegle
    not scientist Kelly
    who gives the news
    of this report smelly?
    Has NOAA done
    separate tests
    or are they
    hijacking
    results all a mess?
    Was Kelly so shocked
    he might have confessed?
    Or is this the prize he got
    for his silence?


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  • hbjon hbjon

    Isn't it obvious they don't want to draw attention to Alaska. Isn't it obvious that all the beluga whale and seal deaths are a direct result of the ionizing radiation carried by wind and sea currents to that region? How do we know that half the population of Alaska is not sick and dying? Or already dead? Alaska got hammered. The fishermen that were working north and NE of Japan following the catastrophy are dead and dying. They have to be, if you consider the facts. Remember folks, where are the Fukushima 50? How are the soldiers doing that were on that aircraft carrier that had to change course and try to avoid the toxic clouds? There was a huge battle group out there with tens of thousands of people. I am of the mind that a million Japanese lay sick and dying in their homes within a hundred mile radius of this multi-meltdown NPP disaster. How could they not have breathed in that Uranium and Plutonium? God bless America!


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    • StillJill StillJill

      hbjon! Bravo!!! You and Heart are so far the two who look behind the curtain,…into the sickbed,…the bed chamber if you will. I see the 'toidy',….I see the bent over ones. I see the L O N G hours in the bathroom, not knowing which end to 'place'. I see them holding buckets to puke into.

      I see the children, languishing indoors, ashen white, black circles joining black circles under their eyes,…their very necks swelling and screaming, THYROID–HELP ME PLEASE! I'll be dead in under 36 months!


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Oh great,…now I see the Mother,…..she's at the small grave-site.
        She doesn't appear to really 'be there',….so effected is she by this mind killing dust. She looks up at me with the Fukushima STARE!
        (No one is home!)


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        • hbjon hbjon

          It aint a purdy picture StillJill, but someone has to slap us back into reality on occasion. Was it 2/12/11 when we heard General Honore announce that when Japan wakes up in the morning they will see American aid arriving on their shores? A couple days later a war with Libya was declared. If ever a distraction was needed, I think it was then.


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  • or-well

    Any finding of rad levels
    bad for the health
    (based on false science
    bought by nuke wealth)
    will be reported
    timely and quick.
    It's just not something
    you should expect
    because internal exposure
    only kills hicks
    outside of the Circle
    of NOBS*
    with organs inside -
    a most human quirkle.
    False levels, false science,
    lies and denial;
    please go to your deaths
    wearing a smile.

    *NOBS: Nuclear Oriented Bad Science
    thx CaptD I believe, for that coinage.


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  • goathead goathead

    http://www.fwi.co.uk/community/forums/re-schmallenberg-sbv-virus-68268.aspx

    This is worth a read to see what farmers are dealing with!

    This is now the real shit hitting a very real fan I fear!
    These animals are literally sucking up anything and everything that is hitting the ground that has fallen from the heavens! They're a pretty good litmus test to what will follow!!

    "So far we have only seen the tip of the iceberg in this country. Once people start lambing and calving there will be many more cases. The key question at present, which we cannot answer is whether the virus has survived the winter in sheep and cattle. Midges are unlikely to survive and be infectious. If cattle and sheep are harbouring the virus, or if their offspring are carrying it, when the midge season arrives in april or may this disease will quickly spread across the country. In East Anglia they are starting to see problems, with reports that up to 70% of sheep farmers that have started lambing already have seen deformed lambs. In some cases this is only 2% of the lamb crop, in others up to 25%. Numbers of confirmed cases are rising very quickly on the continent. This is likely to happen here. On the continent they are seeing this as a disease mainly of sheep but I think that is only because people are lambing but not many are calving yet. It would be really good if cattle are not as susceptible to the disease as sheep, but there is little reason to believe this, we will only know when East Anglian farmers start calving."


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    • or-well

      goathead, could this lead to massive numbers of bankruptcies?
      There are many cost inputs, but the animals are the only profit source.
      What animal raiser can afford to lose 20% of their animals?
      I seriously doubt their profit margins are 20%.


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Very true 'or-well'

        O/T but on the financial side of this 'meltdown'.
        Can one of you,…or two or three, please give me a *SIMPLE* explanation for why the US can, or can not, KEEP PRINTING MONOPOLY MONEY?

        And, are people actually being thrown off of unemployment, or are they all just getting extensions at this point? I just can't figure out how 'we' don't have it, but 'we' have it. Simple minds want to know,…a SIMPLE ANSWER, K? :-)


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        • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

          The reply I can give you StillJill is that they Print money according to how much is in circulation. If a large amount is circulating then they will reduce its value if they Print any more. That is why there are times when everyone has money & times when no one has 2 pennies to rub together. I believe it is done intentionally to control when they can print money.


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          • StillJill StillJill

            When is that time Maiden,…when some people have no pennies? I have not found the well to do changing one iota of their behavior. My roommate actually said this about money, "Easy come, easy go." He means it. It has not concerned him one bit. I see many like this. They are getting fatter and fatter. And,….if all 'we' have to do is print it,…and other countries will take it,…why stop?

            This makes (still) no sense to StillJill.


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        • vivvi

          Its like this, Jill. Traitorous government instituted private FEDERAL RESERVE in 1913, while everybody had gone home for xmas holidays. CRIMINAL FEDERAL RESERVE, which is neither federal, or a reserve, then issues all public currency as debt. This means that there is always more money owed back to criminal cabal fed reserve than there is in existance.
          To keep this ponzi sceme going, the FED issues more and more currency, backed up by nothing more than the bootlicking promise from the US Government to TAX THE PEOPLE to repay the debt. Meanwhile the interest stacks up, so the more the government borrows, the more that is owed back to the criminal FED RESERVE. This results in inflation, which is actually devaluation of your purchasing power. This system will inevitably collapse, as all debt based currency systems must. It is simply a confidence trick. The dollar only has value because people are willing to accept it as payment. The day is fast approaching where they will not.


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          • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

            StillJill as we lose jobs, we lose homes & businesses & land allowing those with money to buy them cheap. Then when we have only 1 penny they will *come *save us by creating money so jobs can be created & to stimulate the economy. Then comes the gradual upswing again. More people start working, buying homes & so on. Everyone will think things are wonderful as they start to get rich & never look deep enough to see that that it was very much
            intentional. Vivi went that extra step to show the intent.


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @StillJill

          Here is a link that will explain it all. It is the most lucid article I have found on banking and why the Feds are doing us in. I think if the general public only understood this they would be rioting in the streets!

          http://www.thedailybell.com/3616/Adrian-Krieg-Just-Exactly-How-Much


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  • goathead goathead

    I found that xdrfox was all over that last site!!

    Nice one XDR!


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  • goathead goathead

    Hey or-well,

    All the farmers around me go spare when they lose a lamb or two to anything!! they certainly take a hit!!

    We're all going to have to get used to living in a "Logan's Run" style world brothers and sisters!!

    It's hydroponics from now on!!!


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    • or-well

      Thanks goathead, I suspected they might be operating "close to the bone".
      Logans' Run:
      "Renew! Renew!"
      (now you've reached 30)
      Up into the light – ZAP!
      (it's a trick dirty)
      Just like nuclear power
      re-licensing crap -
      there's no "renewing"
      what is toxic scrap.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    NOAA is an ace liar..for the government..
    This is the lead-up..for telling us there is no tsunami garbage ..and it is not radioactive.


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  • openeye openeye

    A year ago, fro a truth teller:

    "what we are seeing is the northeasterly drift, the cyclical drift of what we call the Black Current or the Kuroshio in Japanese….This current sweeps up from the south and then it passes [inaudible] Peninsula, goes past the Bering Straits where it mixes a lot with Arctic water, and then it comes past the coast of Alaska down the west coast of Canada and the United States, and finally ends somewhere off of Mexico…. the radiation will mix with sea water in the Pacific…because it’s trapped basically in this conveyor belt (something like the in Gulf Stream on the East coast)….In fact it’s a steady stream of radiation that’s coming around in a clockwise circle in a narrow band…And it’s passing one of the greatest concentrations of large sea mammals in the world….So this is really a very serious problem. It could lead to the largest extinction of mammals since maybe the Stone Age"


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  • openeye openeye

    Here's the link for that quote:

    "Could Be the Worst Mammalian Extinction Since the Stone Age" Uploaded by JRense Apr 18, 2011
    http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/radiation-poisoning/fukushima-virtually-hopelessyoichi-shimatsu-on-rense-radio.html: “Fukushima Virtually Hopeless: Yoichi Shimatsu on Rense Radio”

    The scientists say they considered ocean currents–sure they did.

    Were the dead dolphins in Peru fleeing from the Black Current?
    And what about the beached dolphins at Cape Cod–do they know something is afoot?

    Throwing up from disgust,

    openeye


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  • many moons

    When people are sick from radiation, they go to a hospital. There anything can happen and anything can be reported….But not out on the sea. We see the sea and the creatures dying. We see the lesions, the fur falling out…we need to see the reports or we need to do the analysis ourselves. I believe a lot is being hidden from us behind hospital doors but we can see whats floating in the sea.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Very good comment thread! I am proud of all OF you enenews.com readers and contributors. Very good critical thinking.

    When the world seems an increasingly dark and ignorant place, with deranged, sociopathic Masters of Evil running the show, it is so heartening to have this place, enenews.com, and all of you, to provide so much good information and ANALYSIS!


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    I most definitely agree bleep_hits_blades. Each person fighting the good fight, no matter what it is, is a light in the darkness. A path others can follow allowing their lights to shine.

    "The ones who think they can change the world, do." So Believe~

    ~Every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around…It's My Secret


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    @gr81 – I appreciated your witty 'coin operated' post.

    Totally right on, re virtually the entire 'scientific' (sic) establishment. Bought and paid for.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    My apologies to anyone who believes differently, but I tend to believe that NOAA is an honest government agency. I've had dealings with people from NOAA, and they have never struck me as being sloppy, inaccurate, or deceitful. They don't have an agenda in this issue that supports nuclear power. Not every scientist is in favor of nuclear power generation. And you insult those on your side by making such blanket accusations against all scientists.

    Yes, there was atmospheric release that passed over Alaska. However, the oceanic currents primarily went east from Japan, toward Hawaii, not north toward Alaska.

    There are many other things that could have caused this problem, pollution, mutated microbes, natural infections even. Fukushima's radiation doesn't cause everything bad. To automatically assume that the cause is radiation, without evidence at least indicating it might be so, weakens one's case against nuclear power. It leads to labels such as "fear monger". Going on gut feeling isn't going to convince a skeptic. If you think there is reason to believe that radiation is the cause, spell it out, show some data to support it.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Indeed, dosdos. We would be wise always to be more careful than our adversaries, because we know they will sieze on any exaggeration, any misstatement, any lie we make – and so they should.

      We have the facts on our side. We never need to overstate our case.

      SHUT THEM ALL DOWN


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    • Laterlukemayb Laterlukemayb

      dosdos I believe the be an influencing force we should all be in one mind and one accord, so I agree with your observation to a point. I do however believe that all possible factors should be considered before coming to a conclusion. It is true that initially the release as well as most of the debris started an Easterly path from Japan but the Pacific Gyre then comes into play which has a counter clockwise rotation that could account for some of the radioactive debris within the ocean to have moved back up and around towards Alaska. Any debris not redirected by the Gyre would then continue on Eastward through the convergence zone.


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  • "No radiation levels that would “directly” cause seal deaths"

    Is like saying falling from an airplane doesn't kill you; It's that sudden stop when you hit the Earth.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    NOAA = No Objective Answer Allowed


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