NPR: Melted reactor cores’ radioactivity being carried out to sea — Expert warns saltwater will flow into Fukushima plant if ice wall is installed; “Even if it works, it might not be a good thing… can have ‘unintended consequences’” (AUDIO)

Published: September 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am ET
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Title: Japan Plans Ice Wall To Surround Damaged Nuclear Plant
Source: NPR’s All Things Considered
Date: Sept. 3, 2013

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Published: September 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am ET
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64 comments to NPR: Melted reactor cores’ radioactivity being carried out to sea — Expert warns saltwater will flow into Fukushima plant if ice wall is installed; “Even if it works, it might not be a good thing… can have ‘unintended consequences’” (AUDIO)

  • Wooster

    "When you start changing groundwater, you can have unintended consequences"..

    Soil liquefaction and subsidence being the two that immediately spring to mind, neither of which are ideal underneath damaged nuclear reactors and suspended spent fuel pools.

    Giving the Olympics to Japan was perhaps the worst thing that could have happened to Fukushima as every possible effort will now be made to kill any bad news coming from that site. I expect far fewer press conferences will be the result.


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  • ftlt

    I just thought of something, tell NPR – National Yuppie/Zionist/Globalist Radio – that FUFU is a threat to Israel and they we be all over it ad nauseam …


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    • corium pudding corium pudding

      Please do not criticize National Propaganda Radio, it's not their fault. They are just reading the script that the government gives them.

      Besides, this is beyond their area of expertize. NPR specializes in transsexual rights issues and discussions about the virtues of "Heather Has Two Mommies"-type children's books. Their thing is social engineering, not end-of-civilization events.


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      • ftlt

        Corium: Sorry..

        They now have designers on there, a weekly rock critics section and the like… What's next Reality-Radio shows… A Fantasy Congress show replete with cash awards from lobbyists would be a good one.. Or a War Zone one – where you win with a good body count of non combatants…


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        • corium pudding corium pudding

          National Propaganda Radio is all about how you feel about yourself.

          If you feel good about being a polygamist-transgender-heterosexual-atheist-African-American then it's time to celebrate.

          If you are happy with your gender then radiation won't harm you.

          If you are not happy, it's the fault of someone else and you are a victim.

          No matter what, radiation isn't the problem. The problem is social norms and social engineering.

          So there is no need to spend quality time discussing the poisoning of Japanese people and the Pacific Ocean.


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    I just keep hoping that Ken Buesseler goes all Kevin Blanch in one of these interviews.


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  • MichaelV MichaelV

    It seems that the melted reactor cores are on the concrete floors of containment.

    Are they fissioning while saltwater is being pumped in to keep them cool?

    I surmised that the cores exploded when the power went out.

    May be what remains are the remnants of those 3/11 explosions…


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  • Really they should have tried to divert the groundwater uphill of the plant. But they won't spend the money. Better investment for them is hookers and blow for Olympic officials. An ice wall has never been used in this application. Actually nobody else has ever "lost" three nuclear cores as in we don't know where they are. But the Olympics will divert attention from that monument of ineptitude. But if the Olympics can be held a couple of hours drive ( a very small distance by North American standards, commuting distance really ) from the worse nuclear disaster ever, the perception will be everything is under control. Japan is a house of cards waiting to fall down anyways.


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  • weeman

    I don't see the ice wall as a dam, but a bowl so as the ice completely surrounds the plant and prevents water from entering or exiting, to do other wise is a waste of time and money.
    But what do I know.


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    • Let's say that they do the ice 'bowl' as you envision.

      The 3 coriums are OUTSIDE of this ice bowl, correct?

      And the water flowing past these 3 out of control buried coriums is still doing that, correct?

      Bottom line, the ice wall is a distraction with minimal impact.

      The reality of the Fukushima mega disaster is being denied and IGNORED, and thus the problem of radiation flowing into the ocean will not be solved.

      It will take two years to build the ice wall, so they can ignore the coriums for at least 2 more years, while the world thinks the problem is being addressed.

      Meanwhile, the coriums keep fissioning.. out of control.

      3 Raging underground 100 ton nuclear fires.


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      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        DrG…that is how I see it, with a twist.
        Remember that the spent fuel rods house the most dangerous and concentrated radiation. #3 blew them all over the place…mostly into the ocean. There is also a reason why sea-water isn't used in cooling the rods directly, and I believe that is because it will attack the zircaloy cladding and corrode it very quickly. This recent spike in rad readings from the ocean is most likely because the claddings have eaten thru from all these rods. At least that is a possible scenerio, I could dream up others.


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      • The Japanese government is still in massive denial mode. Abe declared to the world that the radiation is LIMITED to .6 km from the plant, none reached Tokyo, never did, never will. He claimed that no radiation will get beyond this .6 km 'barrier' that he magically created and no one will be harmed.

        They have it completely under control. Everything and everyone is safe. It is 10% of Chernobyl, no coriums left the buildings. No plutonium escaped…

        Fantasy land stuff… like believing in tooth fairy, Santa Claus, earth is flat, sun revolves around the Earth, Abe is more powerful than Superman.


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        • KDM KDM

          He's a politician, does anyone expect him to be honest? Does he have a nuclear engineering degree? The ones that do still don't know what the hell to do.


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        • Anthony Anthony

          Playing both sides of their cards… Olympic Approval on the left, HELP we NEED INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE and ITS REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD on the right.

          Simultaneously.

          So which is it? It certainly cant be both, right?

          Cant just be some simple oversight or misunderstanding right?

          This has now officially shifted from being a Japan is killing us situation to the International Oversight Agencies JOINING into our destruction.

          Willingly.

          Deliberately.


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      • weeman

        I agree only applies if corium is still in containment and it is a breech in containment.
        No constructive plan can be established till we know the full extent, let's hope.


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  • rockyourworld

    there wont be any ice wall or 2020 olympics


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Unintended consequences possibly including seawater finding its way to the melted corium(s) and producing more "buckyballs" or fullerenes loaded with lots of nasties like Plutonium, Strontium, Cesium, Tritium, and so on? Then having the buckyballs get lofted up by convection and taken up into the atmosphere, the jet stream? Unintended consequences, indeed.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Dear Admin,

    Could we please have a thread on Majia's brave interview? http://voicerussia.com/2013_09_07/Fukushima-not-under-control-6308/

    Thanks,
    NoNukes


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  • rockyourworld

    the only thing fukushima wont kill is mad cow disease


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  • rockyourworld

    japan is being silenced just like manning and snowden are. national security reasons.


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  • Its not a bowl as they are building ice walls but no ice bottom so its more like a giant tube. Therefore varying water pressures could draw in seawater or draw out radiated waste water. I've heard that Fukushima was built on an ancient river mouth on sand. Whatever, the soil is porous its definitely not bedrock.I've posted this before but this is a good visual of what they want to do and the general lay of the land.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/fukushima-containment/

    Realistically to remove the groundwater effect they need to build a huge underground dam uphill of the plant and storage tanks to divert the underground mountain streams or rivers as well as the frozen wall dam to (try) to contain the radiated water. This is of course while removing spent fuel from #4 pool and hopefully beefing up the cooling system, trying to fix foundation cracks, inventing new robotic technology that will withstand super high radiation so that possibly they can actually do something around the cores. Hookers and blow for the IOC officials is way cheaper. As radiation increases less work can be done as workers will noticably die and robotics stop working. As an aside, Japan gets most of its rain in June and July almost a monsoon season, swelling any mountain sourced water so Tepco was well aware of the groundwater problem right from the get go. since June


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    • Still; this is a solution based on denial and coverup.

      No underground coriums.

      How will this ice 'tube' work if you add in 3 underground 100 ton raging out of control coriums, located way below the 'tube'?

      Sorry, but wouldn't you agree that the unintended consequences of denial consists of a hard slap or worse when reality hits?

      How long will it take for them to admit the truth, MOX fuel, plutonium release, coriums, spent fuel pools dried out, fires, nuclear explosion, and possible weapons labs?

      Odds are; based on previous coverups of past nuclear disasters is; NEVER.

      Not unless the truth is Blanched out there by tons of activists who are awake, aware and conscious, and who never give up. NEVER.


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      • Dr.Goodheart, you said "Sorry, but wouldn't you agree that the unintended consequences of denial consists of a hard slap or worse when reality hits?" That only happens when your denial affects you as in "My landlady thinks I have a cute butt therefore I may drink my rent money at the bar". Yes you will end up drinking Listerine under a bridge. But the politicians and business managers are playing a different game. The consequences of the Fukushima disaster effect everyone but them as in "Look at all the unemployed Fukushima fishermen. Thank God I chose politics/managing a nuclear plant/journalism instead. I'm cashing my paycheque and buying real estate in Brazil." There will be no criminal charges and no claw back of personal resources so what do they have to lose? Thats why I personally advocate crucifixion, only for the Elite. Try to hammer some sense into them. Crucifixion or Commitment to a mental health facility.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    TEPclowns first thought that they could control nuclear…
    [insurmountable, unrecoverable global mistake]

    and control NATURE including rivers
    and the Pacific Ocean.
    [...yes...]

    Emboldened ASS CLOWNS feel that they can control
    [drum roll]
    Greater public awareness and our perception, the
    fabric of our beliefs and trust in governance.
    Well… perhaps those not reading news.

    *Power corrupts, absolute power
    corrupts absolutely, it is so
    with TEPclowns and NPPs,
    they are delusional
    with spin.

    Reality as we are living it is unbelievable.
    I scratch my bald head.


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  • rockyourworld

    the truth? our govt covered up for mad cow disease for over a decade. there wont be any truth. scaring americans is illegal now, so is hurting the economy.


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  • just to remind us where we came from i've posted the high
    resolution pics so you can review the atrocity…
    http://wyynd.tripod.com/HRfs.html

    the lies started from the first day
    these pics are kind of a secret file well probably not secret
    by now…and they are from Mar 20 and 24 2011…
    they blew the place to kingdom come…

    smiling and beer will save your life…
    i hope so cause that's all i've got……..


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This nuclear disaster is contaminating the Northern Hemisphere, with no end in sight.


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  • Sol Man

    ",,,even if it does work it might not be a good thing…" This statement applies to the ice wall and npp both equally. Npp's couldn't really work, except for that which they were intended, as part of a death program. It was never about the electricity. The compelling reasons were far more nefarious to tptb. Why should such an ugly approach to life be a motivating factor for the folks we call tptb? Because greed rules them we all must pay, while we are here. The collective end is now within sight.


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