NPR: Melted reactor cores’ radioactivity being carried out to sea — Expert warns saltwater will flow into Fukushima plant if ice wall is installed; “Even if it works, it might not be a good thing… can have ‘unintended consequences'” (AUDIO)

Published: September 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am ET
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Title: Japan Plans Ice Wall To Surround Damaged Nuclear Plant
Source: NPR’s All Things Considered
Date: Sept. 3, 2013

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Published: September 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am ET
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64 comments to NPR: Melted reactor cores’ radioactivity being carried out to sea — Expert warns saltwater will flow into Fukushima plant if ice wall is installed; “Even if it works, it might not be a good thing… can have ‘unintended consequences'” (AUDIO)

  • Wooster

    "When you start changing groundwater, you can have unintended consequences"..

    Soil liquefaction and subsidence being the two that immediately spring to mind, neither of which are ideal underneath damaged nuclear reactors and suspended spent fuel pools.

    Giving the Olympics to Japan was perhaps the worst thing that could have happened to Fukushima as every possible effort will now be made to kill any bad news coming from that site. I expect far fewer press conferences will be the result.

    • truthseek truthseek

      – – exactly – – first attention(s) will be diverted…

      and then worse yet greatest concern
      is VAST resources will be diverted as
      Japan / rest of the planet burns.

  • ftlt

    I just thought of something, tell NPR – National Yuppie/Zionist/Globalist Radio – that FUFU is a threat to Israel and they we be all over it ad nauseam …

    • corium pudding corium pudding

      Please do not criticize National Propaganda Radio, it's not their fault. They are just reading the script that the government gives them.

      Besides, this is beyond their area of expertize. NPR specializes in transsexual rights issues and discussions about the virtues of "Heather Has Two Mommies"-type children's books. Their thing is social engineering, not end-of-civilization events.

      • ftlt

        Corium: Sorry..

        They now have designers on there, a weekly rock critics section and the like… What's next Reality-Radio shows… A Fantasy Congress show replete with cash awards from lobbyists would be a good one.. Or a War Zone one – where you win with a good body count of non combatants…

        • corium pudding corium pudding

          National Propaganda Radio is all about how you feel about yourself.

          If you feel good about being a polygamist-transgender-heterosexual-atheist-African-American then it's time to celebrate.

          If you are happy with your gender then radiation won't harm you.

          If you are not happy, it's the fault of someone else and you are a victim.

          No matter what, radiation isn't the problem. The problem is social norms and social engineering.

          So there is no need to spend quality time discussing the poisoning of Japanese people and the Pacific Ocean.

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    I just keep hoping that Ken Buesseler goes all Kevin Blanch in one of these interviews.

    • bo bo

      Yeah totally.
      Kevin Blanch is good example shouting and screaming and cussing can still be convincing when backed up by knowledge and a loving soul. I love that guy.

      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        In a world of passive aggressive doublespeak BS, it is nice that someone still knows how to bare their soul, and actually tell the truth. Kevin is an inspiration…a true Renaissance man.

      • He is pushing the envelope for 'new media'…

        He will live on forever via a new verb;

        Blanch it.

        When you see an injustice, Blanch it.

        When you see a coverup, Blanch it.

        When you see a denial of reality, Blanch it.

        🙂

      • Gasser Gasser

        I've got to say it; Mr. Gunderson mah-man, your just too woossy laid back, with you're knowledge you should be on everyones case internationally hopping up and down "Blanching" mad because with enough strong shocking profanity anythings possible…the'll know you mean fucking business!

        Also, Son, you really know that the Corium's have left the buildings…don't'cha!

        • moonshellblue moonshellblue

          Arnie Gundersen did speak out years ago which cost him his job and endless law suits thus I wouldn't be so hard on the guy. He may not be "Blanching" mad but he is helping out with the anti nuke cause in many ways. Thus we don't all jump and scream but are still well intentioned. I appreciate and value all the work Arnie has done and continues to do. JMHO

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    It seems that the melted reactor cores are on the concrete floors of containment.

    Are they fissioning while saltwater is being pumped in to keep them cool?

    I surmised that the cores exploded when the power went out.

    May be what remains are the remnants of those 3/11 explosions…

    • There is no way the cores can be fissioning inside the containment.

      Why do you think this way, just curious?

      Are you believing the 'official' company version of the story; 10% of Chernobyl, and none of the coriums left the buildings?

      • i'm not an engineer but researching i've seen
        that corium runs at 4500F when in safe repose…
        that it reaches sometimes 5000F if unhappy…
        and we hear number like 3700F…if sucking up water which is
        a reflector not capable of cooling…
        so steel like at the WTC is liquid molten at 2700F…
        with any of the numbers above this sh>>>t went thru the containment
        vessel and the concrete like a hot khife thru butter…
        for god's sake…number still work right..
        let's see… 1…2..3… you know they are still here aren't they…

      • MichaelV MichaelV

        I was being sardonic toward TEPCO

  • Really they should have tried to divert the groundwater uphill of the plant. But they won't spend the money. Better investment for them is hookers and blow for Olympic officials. An ice wall has never been used in this application. Actually nobody else has ever "lost" three nuclear cores as in we don't know where they are. But the Olympics will divert attention from that monument of ineptitude. But if the Olympics can be held a couple of hours drive ( a very small distance by North American standards, commuting distance really ) from the worse nuclear disaster ever, the perception will be everything is under control. Japan is a house of cards waiting to fall down anyways.

    • Will The 2020 Olympics In Tokyo Japan Endanger Health Of Athletes With Low Level Fukushima Radiation? via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/will-2020-olympics-in-tokyo-japan.html

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      The 2020 Olympics is also causing Cognitive Dissonance among the masses who are finally waking up to the fact we are Fuku'd. The people who I finally convinced there was a serious problem all called me last night to tell me I am crazy, because the Olympic Committee would never have awarded the games to a place that is in meltdown.

      I think GE did a great job, and I am sure the Olympic Committee love their new summer homes in the Southern Hemisphere.

      I told them "Of course it will be cleaned up by 2015, just like all the news about Syria is real, and Iraq had WMD's, Osamia Bin Laden was killed by Seal Team 6 in Pakistan, The Twin Towers on 9/11 collapsed in a free-fall from two jet planes, and Building 7 that was not hit collapsed from an office fire."

      Yes, the world is a sane safe place….go back to sleep.

      • snorrreeeee, snoorre, snorreee…

        • The question is;

          When you are the only awake, aware and present in the moment person in an upside down, backwards, unreal, and asleep world, does that make you insane/crazy?

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            Mythologists call it "the hero's journey".
            and we are participating …..right here- right now.

          • using the word AWARE makes me think of the work of someone
            who is trying to stop the war that this you know what's are
            trying to waste our lives about…
            http://www.wellaware1.com
            it's science not bullS…it…so don't speak retaliation
            to me until you've written your own peer review paper on the
            science involved…
            if you don't like it don't do it…..

          • moonshellblue moonshellblue

            Dr. Goodheart, What's the saying, "I'm sane, it's everyone else is insane."

          • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

            The term is "Cassandra" and since it's been around since mythological Greece, I'd say it is common for there to be people paying attention and the rest who refuse to believe them. The human condition. Consider yourself lucky to have the insight to protect yourself and your immediate family.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Yes..you never should have taken that "Red Pill" and they will be looking for all of us "Red Pill" takers soon advise you follow that white rabbit!

  • weeman

    I don't see the ice wall as a dam, but a bowl so as the ice completely surrounds the plant and prevents water from entering or exiting, to do other wise is a waste of time and money.
    But what do I know.

    • Let's say that they do the ice 'bowl' as you envision.

      The 3 coriums are OUTSIDE of this ice bowl, correct?

      And the water flowing past these 3 out of control buried coriums is still doing that, correct?

      Bottom line, the ice wall is a distraction with minimal impact.

      The reality of the Fukushima mega disaster is being denied and IGNORED, and thus the problem of radiation flowing into the ocean will not be solved.

      It will take two years to build the ice wall, so they can ignore the coriums for at least 2 more years, while the world thinks the problem is being addressed.

      Meanwhile, the coriums keep fissioning.. out of control.

      3 Raging underground 100 ton nuclear fires.

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        DrG…that is how I see it, with a twist.
        Remember that the spent fuel rods house the most dangerous and concentrated radiation. #3 blew them all over the place…mostly into the ocean. There is also a reason why sea-water isn't used in cooling the rods directly, and I believe that is because it will attack the zircaloy cladding and corrode it very quickly. This recent spike in rad readings from the ocean is most likely because the claddings have eaten thru from all these rods. At least that is a possible scenerio, I could dream up others.

        • Maybe you are right, but we tend to think that the 1% theory applies here.. Only 1% of the truth of the whole matter has been released, and 99% is still hidden. How can one tell what the truth is, from the 1% that is released?

          Kind of like a mouse or flea being blindfolded and feeling an elephant. Describe the elephant.

          One feeling the toe will describe it as hard and cold.

          Another one feeling the ear, will say it is flexible and hot.

          Another near the eye, will say it is wet, soft and moving.

          There is no way to see the whole picture… too much is hidden away; not unless you are psychic or a prophet.

        • Sickputer

          Psm sez…" There is also a reason why sea-water isn't used in cooling the rods directly, and I believe that is because it will attack the zircaloy cladding and corrode it very quickly"

          SP: Actually the problem of using saltwater was a little more personally delicate than just corrosion: 🙂

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/08/16/wheres-that-radioactive-sulfur-now-possibly-in-your-pants/

      • The Japanese government is still in massive denial mode. Abe declared to the world that the radiation is LIMITED to .6 km from the plant, none reached Tokyo, never did, never will. He claimed that no radiation will get beyond this .6 km 'barrier' that he magically created and no one will be harmed.

        They have it completely under control. Everything and everyone is safe. It is 10% of Chernobyl, no coriums left the buildings. No plutonium escaped…

        Fantasy land stuff… like believing in tooth fairy, Santa Claus, earth is flat, sun revolves around the Earth, Abe is more powerful than Superman.

        • KDM KDM

          He's a politician, does anyone expect him to be honest? Does he have a nuclear engineering degree? The ones that do still don't know what the hell to do.

        • Anthony Anthony

          Playing both sides of their cards… Olympic Approval on the left, HELP we NEED INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE and ITS REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY BAD on the right.

          Simultaneously.

          So which is it? It certainly cant be both, right?

          Cant just be some simple oversight or misunderstanding right?

          This has now officially shifted from being a Japan is killing us situation to the International Oversight Agencies JOINING into our destruction.

          Willingly.

          Deliberately.

          • Both are right…

            Terminal schizophrenia…

            Kind of like the rest of 'modern civilization'.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            It can be both if you want to actually have the Olympics in Japan and in fact it has to be both or there will be no games there in 2020.

            It has pointed the world's attention directly at Japan and Fukushima is now going to be on the tips of lips of millions of more people.

            They need to hurry..

      • weeman

        I agree only applies if corium is still in containment and it is a breech in containment.
        No constructive plan can be established till we know the full extent, let's hope.

  • rockyourworld

    there wont be any ice wall or 2020 olympics

  • How To Stop The 3 Out Of Control Coriums Under Fukushima, Plus Petition; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/how-to-stop-3-out-of-control-coriums.html

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Unintended consequences possibly including seawater finding its way to the melted corium(s) and producing more "buckyballs" or fullerenes loaded with lots of nasties like Plutonium, Strontium, Cesium, Tritium, and so on? Then having the buckyballs get lofted up by convection and taken up into the atmosphere, the jet stream? Unintended consequences, indeed.

    • you are probably correct… very wise…

      it is probably already happening right now, but no one wants to measure this or admit it.

    • truthseek truthseek

      Exactly HoTaters! Hit the nail on the head.

      THATS IT – the super scary part
      that many do not really grasp.

      aerosolized – micronized
      for easy transport in the jet stream
      easily finding ways into our lungs…
      its already been happening…

      • truthseek truthseek

        Think of the difference "like
        'dust' particles" – eg. Uranium Oxide
        are heavy, settle out near event.

        Aerosolized being 'more like"
        smoke with readily disperses,
        will lift and travel… scary!

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Dear Admin,

    Could we please have a thread on Majia's brave interview? http://voicerussia.com/2013_09_07/Fukushima-not-under-control-6308/

    Thanks,
    NoNukes

  • rockyourworld

    the only thing fukushima wont kill is mad cow disease

  • rockyourworld

    japan is being silenced just like manning and snowden are. national security reasons.

  • Its not a bowl as they are building ice walls but no ice bottom so its more like a giant tube. Therefore varying water pressures could draw in seawater or draw out radiated waste water. I've heard that Fukushima was built on an ancient river mouth on sand. Whatever, the soil is porous its definitely not bedrock.I've posted this before but this is a good visual of what they want to do and the general lay of the land.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/fukushima-containment/

    Realistically to remove the groundwater effect they need to build a huge underground dam uphill of the plant and storage tanks to divert the underground mountain streams or rivers as well as the frozen wall dam to (try) to contain the radiated water. This is of course while removing spent fuel from #4 pool and hopefully beefing up the cooling system, trying to fix foundation cracks, inventing new robotic technology that will withstand super high radiation so that possibly they can actually do something around the cores. Hookers and blow for the IOC officials is way cheaper. As radiation increases less work can be done as workers will noticably die and robotics stop working. As an aside, Japan gets most of its rain in June and July almost a monsoon season, swelling any mountain sourced water so Tepco was well aware of the groundwater problem right from the get go. since June

    • Still; this is a solution based on denial and coverup.

      No underground coriums.

      How will this ice 'tube' work if you add in 3 underground 100 ton raging out of control coriums, located way below the 'tube'?

      Sorry, but wouldn't you agree that the unintended consequences of denial consists of a hard slap or worse when reality hits?

      How long will it take for them to admit the truth, MOX fuel, plutonium release, coriums, spent fuel pools dried out, fires, nuclear explosion, and possible weapons labs?

      Odds are; based on previous coverups of past nuclear disasters is; NEVER.

      Not unless the truth is Blanched out there by tons of activists who are awake, aware and conscious, and who never give up. NEVER.

      • Dr.Goodheart, you said "Sorry, but wouldn't you agree that the unintended consequences of denial consists of a hard slap or worse when reality hits?" That only happens when your denial affects you as in "My landlady thinks I have a cute butt therefore I may drink my rent money at the bar". Yes you will end up drinking Listerine under a bridge. But the politicians and business managers are playing a different game. The consequences of the Fukushima disaster effect everyone but them as in "Look at all the unemployed Fukushima fishermen. Thank God I chose politics/managing a nuclear plant/journalism instead. I'm cashing my paycheque and buying real estate in Brazil." There will be no criminal charges and no claw back of personal resources so what do they have to lose? Thats why I personally advocate crucifixion, only for the Elite. Try to hammer some sense into them. Crucifixion or Commitment to a mental health facility.

  • truthseek truthseek

    TEPclowns first thought that they could control nuclear…
    [insurmountable, unrecoverable global mistake]

    and control NATURE including rivers
    and the Pacific Ocean.
    […yes…]

    Emboldened ASS CLOWNS feel that they can control
    [drum roll]
    Greater public awareness and our perception, the
    fabric of our beliefs and trust in governance.
    Well… perhaps those not reading news.

    *Power corrupts, absolute power
    corrupts absolutely, it is so
    with TEPclowns and NPPs,
    they are delusional
    with spin.

    Reality as we are living it is unbelievable.
    I scratch my bald head.

  • rockyourworld

    the truth? our govt covered up for mad cow disease for over a decade. there wont be any truth. scaring americans is illegal now, so is hurting the economy.

  • just to remind us where we came from i've posted the high
    resolution pics so you can review the atrocity…
    http://wyynd.tripod.com/HRfs.html

    the lies started from the first day
    these pics are kind of a secret file well probably not secret
    by now…and they are from Mar 20 and 24 2011…
    they blew the place to kingdom come…

    smiling and beer will save your life…
    i hope so cause that's all i've got……..

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This nuclear disaster is contaminating the Northern Hemisphere, with no end in sight.

  • Sol Man

    ",,,even if it does work it might not be a good thing…" This statement applies to the ice wall and npp both equally. Npp's couldn't really work, except for that which they were intended, as part of a death program. It was never about the electricity. The compelling reasons were far more nefarious to tptb. Why should such an ugly approach to life be a motivating factor for the folks we call tptb? Because greed rules them we all must pay, while we are here. The collective end is now within sight.