NRC afraid bottom of Reactor No. 3 will break out and dump everything — First time it’s mentioned problem

Published: June 4th, 2011 at 10:05 am ET
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Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview: The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think, Chris Martenson, June 3, 2011:

[...] Now, Unit 3 has another problem and the NRC mentioned it yesterday for the first time and it gets back to that saltwater and the effect on iron. They are afraid that the reactor bottom will break, literally just break right out and dump everything. Because it’s now hot and it’s got salt on it and it’s got the ideal conditions for corrosion. So the big fear on Unit 3 is that it will break at the bottom and whatever else remains in it, which could be the entire core, could fall out suddenly. [...]

Listen to the audio interview here.

Published: June 4th, 2011 at 10:05 am ET
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351 comments to NRC afraid bottom of Reactor No. 3 will break out and dump everything — First time it’s mentioned problem

  • on borrowed time

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

    A must see video taken by workers a few days ago


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  • Banchan

    I updated an organized my collection of radiation resources, please check it out.

    http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/p/japan-nuclear-information.html


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  • James Tekton

    My, 296 comments. What a community this is turning out to be. One can remember when there were only a few comments and most times none. How we have grown and good for ya all too! Gather the wagons of light and let this become a world wide place for real news.

    So what’s the problem? Education, and the lack of it
    in this country.

    All this death that is daily raining down on us all and still no bells are ringing. The mass mind remains asleep at the wheel as the train is headed off the cliff.

    Should we wonder why when we know the beginnings of this insanity start in the schools. The early childhood schools teach them to be good followers and instead of good thinkers. The lucky ones get to go play the “Higher Education” game.

    College Conspiracy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE

    This video explains well why we see a world wide catastrophe happening and most americans do not even know it or care.

    THE REALITY DETACHED AMERICAN

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxBDDk4Y-M

    To know we are all slowly dying faster, or not. To protect ourselves as best as possible, or not. Really, what can be done as this out of control disaster in Japan gets worse?

    State of the Nation?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

    John Moore reported that the army has been issued five sets of ‘Urban Camo’ uniforms so what that means is up in the air. He said that something could come in six months or less.

    http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Moore/2011/06/Moore_1_060311_070000.mp3


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  • anne

    Hovering Drones Capture Video of Fukushima Destruction
    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/hovering-drones-capture-video-of-fukushima-destruction/

    The first video, taken April 15. Do you think they have restored this cooling system?


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    • Red Mercury

      Anne yours is the best approach. There is a vacuum in the media so your response springs from intuition – not pop culture.

      Learn is what we must due if we are to survive. Independent thinking and research on the hundreds of problems, threats and yes, opportunities this event overwhelms and encompasses.

      We need in essence to know whats going on down to the cubic millimeter per second for: temp, isotope profile/mass/fission and all supporting and incidental structure and systems.

      While it would it be grand, and one day we can hope to know all in exact for this series of cataclysms, of all the details and sources, of all geological components and their interaction, of all precursors both terrestrial (human, biosphere / heliosphere) and celestial, at present we assume that events such as these will occur again, and if only due to overwhelming statistical trends of increasing earthquakes and activity in the earth’s heliosphere geosphere and magnetosphere the aging nukes on it.

      Since this is the case we can complete the path that Anne is on by identifying the multitude of problems and solutions present in this cataclysm sandwich.

      All of the nuke governance bodies have largely shown themselves compliant to the industry and possible dead puppies at the foot of industry, or simply as bought and paid for shills. This is also the age of disappearing governments in any sphere were lobbies for industry or commerce exist. While the gov(s) should be handling this as it is an issue of international security, health and commerce aware people know that this problem is going to be dropped not bankers and promoters but on the people with all of the cataclysms’ social, economic and environmental weight. Because the people are ‘owned’ (through their national financial institutions or kuritsus with a seemingly conspiratorial government and a wholly owned media, it is imperative the we solve this to our satisfaction, putting government to work for us, and where…


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    • Red Mercury

      Continued…(and where) best, such as creating project architecture, via community.

      With that in mind, and while this is a dandy forum, this as it is falls short of a project collaboration tool.

      Any suggestions for an on line project collaboration tool?


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  • Sickputer

    Re: signal-to-noise talk about paid trolls on this website. Pro-radiation trolls no less. *;-)
    I’ve been on the Internet since long before the World Wide Web and experienced countless signal-to-noise issues, survived flame wars that ripped lists apart, and just generally experienced about the entire repertory of human behavior you can imagine in a virtual setting. I have learned letting things go is a golden policy also.

    I think huge numbers of professional trolls (while not impossible) hired to disrupt this website are unlikely for several reasons. One being this website is not exactly rolling in the millions of viewers and thus very low on the radar of the nuclear industry.
    More likely traditional trolls stumble through a Google search, find this forum and get a dig or two in and leave. Yes, they could be a current or retired nuclear industry white collar worker who has a personal interest in defending their livelihood. Or maybe the troll is a drunken 15-year-old nerd kid on a weekend yanking your chain. Or maybe they truly are a 250 person call center for Big Nuke patrolling the Internet looking to spread “good will” for their employer (unlikely, but not as slim as Powerball odds). You may never know the identity or motive of anonymous posters.

    That is the appeal and crucial survivability factor for the Internet… it was designed to survive nuclear attacks and certainly can survive verbal attacks. The Internet WILL survive, even if Fukushima and Japan falls.

    There is always room for a differing opinion. The hardest people skill to learn for an offended regular poster is to see beyond the new pixels with a smile and display no reaction when someone flames your ideology or person. As I said…don’t wrestle with pigs because you both get muddy and the pig likes it.


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    • Sickputer

      Real policy makers in the nuclear industry haven’t the least bit of angst over Internet grumblings because they know most adults only do email, look up recipes and coupons, Google porno and celebrities, used cars, etc…

      Throw in the general lack of current events knowledge of any kind by young and old adults and there is just not much interest in Japan’s issues or invisible dangerous radionuclides drifting across the globe. Nada.

      How many of your friends act astonished when you tell them Japan is in serious trouble? And when you tell them the rest of the world is in trouble they look at you like you arrived from an alien planet.

      Look at this top 100 Twitter account list http://twitaholic.com/top100/followers/ and see how many news organizations are on it. and how many are singers, actors, and celebrities. That is the kind of news modern people are familiar with and this virtual meeting place is so small it poses a micro threat to a trillion dollar industry. They feel above the facts and are good at confusing the voters and expert at lining the pockets of their friends in high political places.

      Don’t give up hope. Rome wasn’t built in a day and it may take more than Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima to reverse nearly 60 years of public nuclear power generation. It may take a horrible accident in America and Canada and France and China and even then it may not be enough. We might see a rogue plant pop up year after year and see countries with huge dead zones.

      Some day in the future, alternative safer energies will replace all the nuclear power plants. I have no doubt about that this will be the final outcome. I just hope I will live long enough to see it happen.


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      • Jean Tanner

        “How many of your friends act astonished when you tell them Japan is in serious trouble? And when you tell them the rest of the world is in trouble they look at you like you arrived from an alien planet. ”

        All too true, I’m afraid.
        I experienced to the truth of this just the other day at work.
        So I shut up on the subject, except to put stuff up on my fb wall and post here.
        Enough of me.
        Back to following the thread.


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        • Cassie

          I have several friends who are mad at me for trying to talk to them about this.

          Including a pregnant friend who flew into Tokyo with her 5 yr old to visit family right after the EQ and Tsunami.
          She said the Japanese will clean this all up in no time and they would be fine. :(

          Cassie


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  • Red Mercury

    Anne posts a link and makes a reference to it with a question of solution status statement:
    “The first video, taken April 15. Do you think they have restored this cooling system?”

    Anne yours is the best approach. There is a vacuum in the media so your response springs from intuition – not pop culture.

    Learn is what we must due if we are to survive. Independent thinking and research on the hundreds of problems, threats and yes, opportunities this event overwhelms and encompasses.

    We need in essence to know whats going on down to the cubic millimeter per second for: temp, isotope profile/mass/fission and all supporting and incidental structure and systems.

    While it would it be grand, and one day we can hope to know all in exact for this series of cataclysms, of all the details and sources, of all geological components and their interaction, of all precursors both terrestrial (human, biosphere / heliosphere) and celestial, at present we assume that events such as these will occur again, and if only due to overwhelming statistical trends of increasing earthquakes and activity in the earth’s heliosphere geosphere and magnetosphere the aging nukes on it.

    Since this is the case we can complete the path that Anne is on by identifying the multitude of problems and solutions present in this cataclysm sandwich.

    All of the nuke governance bodies have largely shown themselves compliant to the industry and possible dead puppies at the foot of industry, or simply as bought and paid for shills. This is also the age of disappearing governments in any sphere were lobbies for industry or commerce exist. While the gov(s) should be handling this as it is an issue of international security, health and commerce aware people know that this problem is going to be dropped not bankers and promoters but on the people with all of the cataclysms’ social, economic and environmental weight. Because the people are ‘owned’ (through their national financial…


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  • Red Mercury

    continued…. Because the people are ‘owned’ through their national financial institutions or kuritsus with a seemingly conspiratorial government and a wholly owned media, it is imperative the we solve this to our satisfaction, putting government to work for us, and where best, such as creating project architecture, via community.

    Where do we start in detailing the problems we must now contend with? What information will help us make the best decisions for each of us as individuals? What corresponding solutions and resources can we produce? If we do this work it is more likely to result in something to our benefit or better cope with the outcomes. I have rarely liked government solutions as they usually serve government, industry and the military with little thought given to the needs private individuals beyond minimization thereof

    With that in mind, and while this is a dandy forum, this as it is falls short of a project collaboration tool.

    Any suggestions for an on line project collaboration tool?


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  • NRC – as afraid as ENRON j€§uits: dropping off seat from laughter, sendin more semtex xperts for first aids

    repost:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_83clarF6AY
    The four detonations of plutonium reactor,

    http://preparator.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/japan-tsunami-reactor-gallery/


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  • NowWhat

    Nevadan,
    I am only going to respond to you once because you’re probably just a troll. But, in case you’re not. Congratulations!, the nuclear power industry loves you. In your own little way with your excessive posts you have done your part to distract visitors to this site from learning about the disaster at Fukushima and its potential consequences to the people of Japan and the world. Furthermore, you have distracted them from learning about the implications that this accident may have for the power plants located in their own backyard. Please contact the IAEA to pick up your trophy.


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  • BetaFlare

    Comments on this site represent an enenormous leak = threat against those controlling information – thus disinfo is forcibly present here like anywhere. Marginal, agreed. Like a tiny stream over a dam…

    Or more plausible, just another controlled vent to gather ip-addresses. And why would they even need this? Current fukushimating will decimate the 90% of useles mouths – as they have stated as their goal.
    http://wp.me/pwIAV-19

    Ref:
    Sickputer: Re: signal-to-noise talk about paid trolls on this website. Pro-radiation trolls no less. *;-)
    I’ve been on the Internet since long before the World Wide Web and experienced countless signal-to-noise issues, survived flame wars that ripped lists apart, and just generally experienced about the entire repertory of human behavior you can imagine in a virtual setting. I have learned letting things go is a golden policy also.


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  • Oh, and Please God,…help women too, K? K! :-)


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  • Mine also Cassie,……there are still vast missing pieces for my puzzle!


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    • Cassie

      Hi Jill:

      Been sick here…
      feeling better now…

      Yes indeed, trying to put together the many puzzle pieces.
      Big disconnect between what we can see for ourselves and what we are being told. And way too many coincidences. Things just do not add up. Yes, many missing pieces.

      Cassie


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  • Cassie

    Shining:

    Linear vs global thinkers.

    Many of us here think that the topics discussed on this site may be directly related to Fukushima.

    Some here are linear thinkers, who are more concrete, literal, sequential types, who view problems and solutions in a narrow somewhat rigid way.

    Other people are more global, big picture, inclusive, intuitive and logical at the same time. They approach problems in “out of the box” and indirect ways.

    I am trying to respect the linear thinkers, even though they are the ones who got us into this mess and cannot fathom a way out. I just wish the LTs would respect the rest of us, as we try to figure out what has happened and why.

    Cassie


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  • Good points Cassie and Heart—I was just telling one of my friends that only ‘magical thinking’ could lull someone into thinking we are safe. I believe now that persons with ‘magical thinking’ are not suitable for the New World.


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    • Cassie

      It is called DENIAL.
      A psychological mechanism to
      protect an individual from facing
      a traumatizing reality.

      And yes, it may not be the most
      adaptive trait when facing a crisis.


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  • I’m sorry you were ill. I started on the zeolite about a week ago,…and snapped out of it. I am very pleased with the zeolite!
    My friend’s hubby has been VERY ill with THIS. I get so afraid sometimes,….when the deformed little ones start to come,….and many more funerals,…..sheesh!


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  • And,..Heart and others have completely made a believer out of me about HAARP. Also,…there was a link posted yesterday about that the EQ may not have been an EQ! They show the Tsunami running through perfectly good wooden structures,..etc,…Yes,…I did notice that—but it didn’t really register!

    I am also certain now that these are measures to start a crisis so they can use the Patriot act against us,….or worse. Never in a million years did I think evil had gotten such a deep foot hold into EVERY facet of our society!


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  • Those are great starters kiddo–I need to remember the basics too. Yes,…I can see that being proactive will be the race winner I suppose. If one wanted to TRY to insure they make it–they will have to get a bit fastidious!


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    • Cassie

      Well I have to face reality.

      It is looking like more and more the US
      got hit with a dirty bomb equivalent over
      spring break. And I was on vacation sitting
      on a beach for a week in Fl where it turns
      out the radiation levels where the highest
      in the world at the time.

      And then came back home to also some
      of the highest readings in the midwest,
      and non stop rain and nuclear winter grey skies
      weeks on end.

      Also a daughter who admits she is sneaking milk
      products at her friend’s homes. There seems no way to
      get a clean food supply any way. The ground water here
      has to be contaminated. And there are milk proteins in most
      food. And the more I push interventions, the more the family gets upset.

      I am deciding just to do what I can, but let everyone here live the best life possible and hope for the best.

      Cassie


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  • CaptD

    Three is less problematic than #4:
    How about a “Collapse” of #4?

    HERE IS A LINK TO WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST UPDATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JAPAN AND HOW THAT IS (WILL) BE AFFECTING ALL OF US.
    Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview (with his experience):

    The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think

    Please read it:
    http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/transcript-exclusive-arnie-gunde


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    • SteveMT

      Don’t forget about Reactor #3 containing MOX. That stuff will always be problematic, IMV. Thousands may already be the walking dead because of #3.


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  • CaptD

    How about a “Collapse” of #4?

    HERE IS A LINK TO WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST UPDATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JAPAN AND HOW THAT IS (WILL) BE AFFECTING ALL OF US.
    Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview (with his experience):

    The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think

    Please read it:
    http://www.chrismartenson.com/page/transcript-exclusive-arnie-gunde


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  • #3 is not done yet, when the bottom drops out of the pressure vessel, the stuff hits the floor running.
    if it is in the correct geometry for a re-criticality to occur, it will quickly blow the building up, making all the water on the containment floor into a steam explosion containing plutonium and uranium.
    the west coast of north america will get heavy doses.
    the criminal EPA and NRC have curtailed measuring fallout to once a month.
    we now depend on individual monitoring. god damn corrupt government paid off by the nuclear industry.
    there is at least 400,000 walking dead out of this mess.


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  • CaptD

    FLASH
    Spoke to a friend on the Big Island of Hawaii and he said that they tested a “Radiation Siren” (about 5/28/11) there for the very first time! It surprised all the locals because they test the tsunami siren the first of every month and nobody knew what this new sounding siren was!

    There has been nothing written or said about it in the media at all!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    For those who do not know of her and her work, check out Leuren Moret on U Tube (a couple of long, very informative lectures before audiences) and also interviews with Alfred Lautremont Webre on his Exopolitics website.


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