NRC: There’s got to be fission products or pellets in parking lot outside Fukushima plant

Published: March 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am ET


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Title: Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s Fukushima Transcripts
Date: March 17, 2011
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MALE PARTICIPANT: Chuck and John, what was the basis, John, for your statement at — that you believe there are spent fuel pellets on the ground of the property?

JOHN: Because they gave us the dose rates of, what, 20 to 30 rem per hour? And they said, you know, the dose rates go down 70 percent when they bulldoze the —


JOHN: — debris out of the way. Well, you don’t get 20 rem from contamination on the side of the spent fuel pool. It’s got to be fission product. I mean, you know, you have — so how did the explosion occur? The spent fuel pool had to be at least 20 percent, 10 percent level, whatever. You had a significant zirc oxide reaction, all of these — all this hydrogen, and a massive explosion. And what’s right below the explosion? There’s no body of water. You’ve just got all of that spent fuel pool that’s, you know, 2,000 degrees plus just baking there. I mean, you know, how can you think you’d blow apart, you know, girders and seals and everything else, and these little delicate spent fuel bundles that are 2,000-plus degrees are going to stay intact? I mean, that doesn’t make sense. You blow out concrete walls and beams, and the structure of the building is blown up. You’ve seen images.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yeah, yeah. I mean —

MALE PARTICIPANT: No, I’ve seen those images. I mean, I guess I was just asking — that’s more your logic than something that you’ve been told by anybody else.

JOHN: They haven’t said it’s fission products or pellets in the parking lot. But, I mean, it’s got to be.

MALE PARTICIPANT: The purpose of the bulldozing, is that — I don’t understand. Is that just to reduce the radiation, or are they —

JOHN: Well, they —

MALE PARTICIPANT: They want to get the riot truck in there.



JOHN: Well, they say it’s to clear the debris, so they can get the fire trucks, the riot trucks, the water trucks, et cetera. I think it’s — some of it is debris, but I think it’s to significantly move the dose out of the way.


JOHN: Move the fission products, move the pellets, move whatever.

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Published: March 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am ET


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12 comments to NRC: There’s got to be fission products or pellets in parking lot outside Fukushima plant

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Have a look at pages 5-7 in this pdf…"collection of dust and small debris in parking area", published by Tepcoclowns.
    I was laughing at the time I first saw those pics…not anymore.

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Hi B&B. One of the oddities in those photos is in the background of 2-4 and 2-5. It appears to be a regular parking lot for the workers, fairly full of cars. If the area is as "hot" as we think it is, would they allow cars to come and go freely? If so, how "hot" are those cars? Up to now, I had always imagined the workers getting to and from the site by Tepcobus.

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Cars = mini bulldozers
        Help to do the job?

        • aigeezer aigeezer

          No. Normal cars. Really. In the background, behind all the workers and the treaded excavator. They seem to have regular licence plates. Most seem to be small sedans, a few light trucks or vans. It looks like an ordinary parking lot.

          My browser (Firefox) lets me zoom on the pictures with a right-click. That may help if you're having trouble seeing them.

      • wideawake wideawake

        I thought that too…until I saw the date..Jan. 2011.

  • well, a new shiny pellet is easy to detect.
    but the used ones look exactly like sand

  • … and one year after opening the package they are just dust …

  • jec jec

    And the cars have all been resold and sent to USA and Europe or South America.

  • aigeezer aigeezer

    Just reading entrails, but it seems to me that MALE PARTICIPANT is senior in rank to "Chuck and John" – they appear to defer to him. It also strikes me that MALE PARTICIPANT's dialog is similar to that of Jaczko in previous transcripts.

    Jaczko's role in previous transcripts seems to have been utterances like: "OK", "OK", "OK", "OK", "tell me that again", "OK", "OK", "OK"….

    So I'm idly wondering whether MALE PARTICIPANT is Jaczko in this transcript.

    • Kevin Kevin

      Yeah I could not help but notice Jazcko and his deep insights from these transcripts as of late myself. Very reassuring.

      Whats more is that each one of these little snippets suggests they were running by the same data the rest of us were.

      I swear these are my exact thoughts at the time, and what is unbelievable, is that we are still debating these issues. It is mind boggling that we still have no confirmation of these things and whether or not pools remained in tact or not.

      TEPCO has the data. People know what happened and what the results were, yet there is no proper disclosure.

      Deeply disturbing.