Nuclear engineer: NRC now says reactors and containments have breached and released plutonium off-site — “Much worse” than if from spent fuel pools (VIDEO)

Published: August 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm ET
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New Data Supports Previous Fairewinds Analysis, as Contamination Spreads in Japan and Worldwide, Fairewinds, August 21, 2011:

[...] In a new revelation, the NRC claims that the plutonium found more than 1 mile offsite actually came from inside the nuclear reactors. If such a statement were true, it indicates that the nuclear power plant containments failed and were breached with debris landing far from the power plants themselves. Such a failure of the containment system certainly necessitates a complete review of all US reactor containment design and industry assurances that containments will hold in radioactivity in the event of a nuclear accident. The evidence Fairewinds reviewed to date continues to support its April analysis that the detonation in the Unit 3 Spent Fuel pool was the cause of plutonium found off site. [...]

At 3:30 in (Transcript Summary)

Arnie Gundersen, chief nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates:

  • “NRC response troubling to say the least”
  • NRC: Most of the deposition of pieces of nuclear materials found away from reactors “appears to have come from inside the reactors”
  • NRC: Pieces of radioactive radioactive materials “most likely appears they were from the reactor cores rather than spent fuel pools”
  • This is much worse than coming from spent fuel pools
  • NRC saying the reactors and containments have breached and released the plutonium off-site

New Data Supports Previous Fairewinds Analysis, as Contamination Spreads in Japan and Worldwide from Fairewinds Associates on Vimeo.

Published: August 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm ET
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77 comments to Nuclear engineer: NRC now says reactors and containments have breached and released plutonium off-site — “Much worse” than if from spent fuel pools (VIDEO)

  • Darth

    Black Out blooming into white outs that only further add confusion to the picture.


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  • Nukeholio

    They should rename all nuclear waste JAPANIUM.


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  • Hot Tuna Hot Tuna

    The containment FAILED!? Holy Crap. Now they tell us!


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Thank you Arnie Gundersen and the many others who give us information.

    We depend on people who do know about Nuclear Power to inform us.

    When the tent is put up, does that mean there will be more radiation going towards the jet stream?
    Will we in the US/Canada/Mexico be getting a higher concentration of radiation?


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      • WindorSolarPlease

        Thank you Darth

        Thought that’s what it meant, and no one is complaining?

        Where is the US/Canada/Mexico Governments on this, behind the corporations?

        Don’t like what they are burning either.

        Time to fix many things, that is happening there and even here!!!!!


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      …does that mean there will be more radiation going towards the jet stream?

      Yep! Darth is correct; that is what Arnie implies.

      And —
      @ HotTuna — I don’t really believe you are surprised, few of us on this site are.


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    • Steven Steven

      This is what I got from Arnie’s latest video (correct me if I’m wrong please):

      1: The deposition of sulpher at the levels recorded in the USA suggest that the release of radiation was much larger than previously admitted, or even postulated by Arnie himself.

      2: The NRC now think that the situation in regard to deposition of plutonium is actually worse than Arnie’s initial assessment.

      3. The proposed ‘tents’ will not reduce the radiation releases, rather these will now be vented at a higher altitude through use of the venting towers.

      4. The Japanese are picking up ‘settled’ radioactive contamination in the form of debris etc and burning it, thus providing the radiation a second chance to spread out into the environment.

      And I was hoping for good news.

      sigh.


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear Steve: You reminded me of another point that I found was uncritically examined by Arnie. The what I call “plastic bag method” (rather than concrete and magnesium sand covering, or constructions of lead or other sort of shielding walls maybe, for comparative contrast) is incredibly stupid and though there will, maybe, be some prevention of steam and particles coming directly from R1 for workers, the plastic bag method is PR, primarily. It’s meant to make Tepco LOOK like they’re doing something, when they are STILL abusing workers, not inviting solutions and not doing nearly enough to help solve, this perhaps unsolvable problem (I don’t believe it is in this case, though it’s a bad one).


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          Oh, and also, I don’t think Arnie is coming clean with us, so to speak, about what is being burned ON-SITE! He surely knows. Maybe more preserving bridges that he doesn’t want to burn, which would result in a complete shut down for him of any access. The snapping alligators at the top and in secretive industries, particularly related to military and covert organizations as the nuclear industries are, will sacrifice even, or especially, respectable people like Arnie without question in the name of maintaining status quos.


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  • Edward Edward

    When is the united states media going to cover this nightmare nuclear meltdown? I keep hearing that only small amounts of radiation are reaching the states. In my opinion ANY radiation is unsafe and too much. I am very disapointed at how our government is ignoring this serious health issue.


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  • Jebus

    Yeah Moonkai!!!

    Push Arnie’s and Moonkai’s videos anywhere you can!

    Fukushima forced depopulation, Japanese plead world aid (video)

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/fukushima-forced-depopulation-japanese-plead-world-aid-video


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  • Jebus

    I sat at work with a friend and watched Moonkai’s video. He wanted me to send the link to his wife, so she could see. She works with JD Kids. We will win, but sadly many will loose…


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  • CindyH

    Fukushima UPDATE: 10:00 PM EDT.

    Included guests on Rense Radio this evening are:

    Michael Collins
    West Coast Radiation Monitoring

    From Hong Kong
    Yoichi Shimatsu
    Fukushima

    http://www.rense.com/

    Hello to ZombiePlanet


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    • @ CindyH

      Thx for that, Rense always gets the news to the front with some of the best people around the world !
      Monday-Friday 7-10pm Pacific | 10pm-1am Refeed
      Sunday Encore 7-10pm Pacific


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    • theypoisonus

      I have no problems with Jeff, other than he picks an area where he concentrsats on and then goes hog wild.

      I sent him the MOONKAI aka Nelson video hours ago. It is not up there. He is very self -serving in his pics of what he wants to deal with, and as it is his website, that is his decision.

      HOWEVER, when the Fuki/ nuck thing was ‘in the news’ he had alot of links there, but now that it is ‘off topic’ of he carnage in Libya/ Isreal/ Palestine…. HE FORGETS the children of Fukushima??

      These tactics of the ‘alternate sits’ make me almost as pi&&ed as the MSM/ LSM.

      end rant.


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    • Thanks for the idea. I’m using this as the live feed for Rense Radio ["Jeff Rense Program"]:

      http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.asx


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Heads Up! Rachel Maddow is covering it too!
    http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/22/7441709-atomic-might-as-well-be-forever
    Read the comments. At least Rachel recognizes this as a major news item!


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    • theypoisonus

      Sorry, I can not deal with ( as it seems you have learn, calling Huff , actually FLUFF.)
      and there moronic so called “issues”.. which are censored and don’t you think for one dam minute that it isn’t true.

      This is another reason that the PTB, will manipulate the news to their standards.

      All the emailing I did today, every one to MSM came back Mailier Dameon… non deliverable.
      This means to me that they have hidden any contacts.

      I did got alot posted today hopefully via email. I will do the same tomarrow.

      If I don’t speak out, who else will?

      Most, but not all commenters here post links day in and day out.. they go on on and on, posting links..
      and then, like we can’t read for crying out loud.. go into ‘post the whole article or major parts of it’ for some reason, which I have come to believe it makes them feel superior. ?????

      Are any people here trying to actually get this information out there, in alternet, or msm? NO.. they post links , posture, and then feel good in some way that they managed to find more info than someone else.

      This, to me, looks like some kind of shell game.. I am the best to find links.. DAMN what is really happening and trying to actually put some energy to HELP the very people we see suffering.

      Please forgive my critique. However, I still believe that being active rather than discussing things to death makes more of an impact.

      I am FAR from the smartest person here, but I care deeply enough, to stop posting links, and try to contact any news source I can find to ACTUALLY do something.

      NOT A JUDGMENTAL POST.. I just want you all to think… about the children.. the ramifications of this horrid thing we have been watching decentigrate daily..and put forth some effort to EXPOSE for the HORROR that it is.

      My best to all.. excuse my rant, I am not judging anyone, I am begging for help and compassion for these poor children and elders who will suffer most in in the beginning which we are witnessing now.
      Pardon any misspelling,Pain meds and a 3 beers don’t work well, but I have to combat the pain to carry on.

      Don’t villify me, join me and moonkai akd Nelson.
      Thanks, for reading this.


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      • I totally understand. I am trying to tell people. No one wants to listen. Im a @#$%^ academic and I have emailed people with DATA and they still do not want to talk about it.

        I went ballistic in April and contacted my kids’ principals, the Superintendent, and the health-risk person and sent them all data-filled educational power points.

        I contacted the EPA twice and my elected officials by phone and email. Only one person responded, John Kyle of AZ of all people. He is retiring. He said he would forward my letter to the EPA.

        People in my community that I tell never ask me what is happening and don’t want my volunteer information.

        My students listened but I cannot take class time to talk to them about it unless it is a relevant part of the curriculum.

        Believe it or not professors do not preach, probably because the vast majority are so myopic that they have no fricking idea what is going on in the world they so called study.

        Sorry but I’m mad too. I read other people’s comments here and they pretty much all say the same thing. No one wants to hear about it.

        Faced with our extinction (no, not immediately, but over generations and who knows how bad it can get), no one wants to know because there is NO HOLLYWOOD HERO in this story.


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        • Anthony Anthony

          Perhaps the time to put the knowledge to greatest use is just not yet. That’s the positive way to juggle the two realities for most of us here. There is a certain horror and horribleness about this whole thing. Maybe we aren’t meant to save anybody but ourselves somehow. I am not willing to be bullied by people who think I am nuts for being worried about **Japan**

          Most are surprised to learn of the meltdown status, never mind knowing there are multiple unfolding catastrophes.

          I always says its better to know something or about something than not. Time will show me if I am correct about that.


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          Dear Majia: I know you probably don’t have time; but I recommend the book by historian, and fellow academic, James Loewen, “Lies My Teacher Told Me.” to get a better handle on the mentality of humans that you’re dealing with culturally in the United States, if that’s where you are. Many of the criticisms through enormous numbers of specific historical case references, citations of primary research, and quality secondary sources, could apply to people in other nations, as well, who refuse to look at reality that directly effects them because it’s too inconvenient or they are too cowardly. I personally believe that the U.S. is, currently, the most challenging nation in the economic center, what used to be called “first world” to be an academic despite our enormous number, most per capita on the planet paradoxically, of institutions of higher learning. I very much appreciate you and recommend that you take a breather, be good to yourself, for a day or so (keep up, of course, with what’s going on); but don’t burn yourself out. I don’t mean that in a patronizing way. I mean that because I know what happens to me when dealing with the apparently brick-wall like herd of even credentialed blinders activated serfs. It’s NOT AT ALL you. I guarantee you this. I have a funny video if you want a comedic diversion and illustration of the brick walls we deal with, even in higher education among supposed peers who ought be more collegial in being willing to approach scary but REAL situations/questions: http://www.youtube.com look up “Mad TV Eat Less Move More” when you get there. I’m not at all making a comment on weight–but think this video is an excellent satirical commentary on the density of the herd when it comes to providing clear data or even simple and the most thoughtfully spelled-out and truthful analyses with the highest and best intent, such as what you provide. Thank you for having critical thinking skills and for doing what you do. :)


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          You’re last paragraph. “because there’s no Hollywood Hero” You hit the nail on the head. People MUST do the uncomfortable. We have to upset the apple cart and not just challenge, but confront and remove authority where this needs to occur. This is one of the main reasons I want you to read the book by Loewen. He helps you understand what our culture really is. It’s NOT democracy, as you are no doubt aware. Doing something about it, so far and for many projected futures, is going to be awful and it will make us angry to understand the obstacles to really changing what’s going on. You’re doing what you need to do, though.


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        • flatsville

          I am fortunate in that I live in the general area of this blogger.

          http://www.potrblog.com/

          I direct friends who don’t believe the situation in Japan is a big deal [because they no longer hear about it] to this site after every rainfall.

          They no longer think I am nuts, paranoid, OCD or whatever.

          There’s something about a regular guy wiping his car off after a rain and testing it for radiation that seems to demonstrate how very real this mess is even if it isn’t getting MSM coverage.


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      • There is such a thing as edicate in news also, notice how enenews shows part of the article then post a link to source and rest of the story ?

        Just as you say we (“they post links , posture, and then feel good in some way that they managed to find more info than someone else.”)
        (” go into ‘post the whole article or major parts of it’ for some reason, which I have come to believe it makes them feel superior. ?????”)=

        Several reason to post news in this fashion,
        Giving credit to the real author and website/comp./corp./ that also is in legal reform as to not be sued for copywrighted material infrigment or plagerisum !

        (“This, to me, looks like some kind of shell game..”)
        =
        Clicking on the link only verify’s you are interested enough to read the rest of the story and the link to gets a hit and why they published the story for that purpose, to get people to come to thier site and may exsplore futher and spend some time there and read some ad’s perhapes click on some and get rewarded with $’s that pay’s thier bill’s !

        some background on it !

        The World Wide Web for the Clueless

        Let’s start with a cliche’ one line description of what the World Wide Web is. It’s basically a lot of different files (all over the world) that are linked …
        http://www.mit.edu/~rei/wwwintro.html

        The Web for Dummies | ClickZ

        15 Mar 2001 … Designers envision cool graphics and complicated technology on Web pages. But the Web is more like a library, newspaper, or directory — it …
        http://www.clickz.com/clickz/column/1708862/the-web-dummies


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      • lokay5

        “Pain meds and a 3 beers don’t work well”

        theypoisonus, you’re right. Pain meds and 3 beers DON’T work well.

        Pain meds and FOUR beers seems to do the trick for me!

        BTW -Excellent post. Guilty as charged…..

        (Hangs head)


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      • Steven Steven

        Being familiar with many of your previous posts I don’t believe your views on this occassion are anything more than fleeting, probably due to frustration at the slow pace of the battle.

        This is where we stay up to speed on events and exchange information and a little human contact, albeit virtual. I don’t post many links myself but appreciate it when others do (I’m more of a listener than an educator).

        My other point would be that not everyone would be broadcasting details, or even an overview of their personal efforts or contributions in this affair, for obvious reasons.

        Hang in there, you are amongst friends :)


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  • Daily News Roundup – Radiation Everywhere Edition

    Reports of radiation being found flooded in this weekend. Radiation is showing up everywhere and in ways that are becoming more difficult for the government to explain away.
    Food testing results done by the government were compared against citizen testing results in the same area. The results found that the government analysis was showing much lower levels than the citizen testing.
    Another 4000 cows were found to be radioactive. A group of these cows were not fed the radioactive rice straw implicated in other incidents. These cows were moved from areas near Fukushima Daiichi and were fed imported hay. The farm near Namie was tested and …
    http://houseoffoust.com/group/?p=2329

    That leaves the air or water !


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  • Low Level Radiation Exposure LNT Model, An Explanation
    graph:
    The linear no-threshold model (LNT) is a method for predicting the long term, biological damage caused by ionizing radiation and is based on the assumption that the risk is directly proportional to the dose at all dose levels. In other words, the sum of several very small exposures have the same effect as one larger exposure.
    The LNT model therefore predicts higher risks than either the threshold model, which assumes that very small exposures are negligible, or …
    http://houseoffoust.com/group/?p=2332


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    • theypoisonus

      Please read my post above.

      I am not trying to make others feel badly, I am just asking for help. I know you have your little area a beforeitsnews.com where you post your interests.
      I respect you for that.

      Will you not help me and get more pro-active and instead of searching all over ‘hells half acre’ for more and more info/links and use the same energy to HELP THE CHILDREN in Fuki??

      I like you , you are a good person and I go to your area of beforeit’s news and read your articles.. I have since way before this happened.

      I am not being UGLY to anyone.. but I can NOT get this Nelson/moonkai Video out in all the areas alone.

      PLEASE help me ? All of you, please help me.
      I am one little old woman.. I’m not very computer smart, I need help to help them. AND they need sooooooo much help.

      Thanks,
      theypoisonus

      Edward R. Murrow.. Good Night and Good Luck !


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  • beamofthewave

    Well I posted at Rachel Maddow and it felt good. Got to keep trying to inform people or they will unknowingly drink the tea from Japan with radiation in it. Got to give them the info so they can make informed decisions.


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  • live feed for Rense Radio ["Jeff Rense Program"]:

    http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.asx
    On Japan now !


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  • zapped zapped

    @theypoisonus
    Plz understand and its true that you CANNOT do anything to salvage this situation.Note that these children HAVE already been eating contaminated stuff for a while.How pro-active can you be to even dent this?
    TPTB are aware of this and MSM know probably more than we do.Can you live with that?Learn to let go…some things are just way beyond you..get it.no? Do you think someone appointed you to be the savoir of this doomed planet..re “If I don’t speak out, who else will? You do not occupy any space that gives you any special powers!!We are lemmings on these sphere so do not ask or point fingers at others…let go…let it be!!You do make me real tired with your naive rants.

    Even if all the world gets aware of this messed situation…then what?Be a rational thinker..courage and face up this situation NOT with emotion but innert fortitude..information is key..and thats all/it.Or do you know something new Obama or Japanese PM do not..they know sweetie..they do.So watch them in the future..is Obama going to vacation or play golf in Hawaii soon..? get a clue.


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    • VanneV anne

      @theypoisonus
      We need to try to save the children of Fukushima as well as the children everywhere on this planet. Finding articles and posting them is an attempt to educate anyone who will listen that nuclear must be stopped everywhere in every form if we are to save all children and future generations.

      Everyone has his/her gift. Exercise your gift, let others exercise theirs.


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      • zapped zapped

        Anne, I enjoy reading from from you.Thx for all the effort.I did have a small exception tho’ the other day when you said there are reports of leukemia issues in Japan,I am aware of the animal person/woman dying suddenly and thats it..are hospitals reporting more of the same?Sendai anonymous nurse as well..aka falling hairs and low white cell count..are these true? Are these things a major reality right now?..I am listening..and tell me about future generations Anne.We are thoroughly screwed there, aint we?Can we just agree on that?I just wanna see people being more courageous against this unprecidented realities…lets help each other with infor..stats as we go along..we are all alone..the “elite” do not care if we die or live.


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  • oscar419

    :( I am certainly glad my biological children are older and grown up, less cell division. I feel sorry for anyone looking to start a family right now, this is a bad world in lots of different ways.

    Anne is right, we need to save the young as they are the future regardless of what cuntry they live in. No offense to anyone but I have not at all been impressed with the way the leadership in Japan has addressed the current evolving situation.

    I have never been so UNproud to be a human being….


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    I think, in reference to Arnie’s latest release, he’s being rather, perhaps not with bad intent, patronizing with us about what is happening, and parochial. Maybe he’s just trying to keep messages simple. There has been a lot of dumbing down by the CIA in the past 30 years in the U.S., and abroad by this and other agencies, reducing the literacy and critical thinking skills of Americans (U.S.), never very high, to pathetic levels by now in 2011. I don’t appreciate the lack of torque from him about this topic and I’m not addled by starry eyed gratitude of the typical U.S. citizen serf mentality that most of the more provincial suffer from. No one should be holding back any information. I DO, thank you very much, appreciate that he reminds people, as i have often tried to myself, that all the reactor cores melted through, R1-R3–at least and at least at Fukushma Dai ichi. Corium from R1, definitely, and R2 and R3, likely, are experiencing re-prompt criticality (fission, neutron cascades) on a regular and cycling basis (my words, but reflected in the R1 dry well readings). He needs to emphasize the fact that the corium and spent fuel will continue, without containment and there is none, to get MORE radioactive over the coming more than 200K years. I agree with him that the R3 spent fuel pool DID blow up. This is actually MUCH worse, diverging tartly from his disinformation, than if the R3 reactor CORE had also or only blew up because it’s MOX spent fuel (?), which spent fuel is already, literally, 100′s of thousands of times more radioactive than MOX reactor core fuel and has a much higher concentration of Plutonium. I believe that spent fuel rods originally littered much of the FukuDai plant site. Even non-MOX reactor spent fuel starts out being one million times more radioactive than the reactor core fuel initially installed inside the non-MOX reactor. This is due primarily to the presence of PLUTONIUM, due to normal reactor core power generation related fission, which ramps up the release of neutrons, by Plutonium mainly, but also by fission daughter products ever increasing for thousands of years in their abundant diversity, also not addressed by Arnie. Though Arnie is pleasant enough in demeanor, he’s still an insider and is still appearing with fair regularity in the media. I don’t mean, at all, to (I’m not black and white despite the brainwashed herd’s training to address all with a critical eye as being so) imply that we cannot trust information that is trustworthy. He is still a person whose information should be evaluated carefully and with a critical eye. I’ll be grateful only for the parts that are correct and for the appropriate torque.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Actually, I have to abridge one detail from the above. I know that spent fuel of more ordinary Uranium dioxide fuel starts out 1,000,000x more radioactive, due to Plutonium presence and other daughter nuclides of fission process. I know that spent fuel of MOX will be much far more radioactive than when it went into the reactor core. However, I don’t know exactly how much more radioactive than the original reactor core fuel it would be.


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      • Steven Steven

        Yep he’s a cautious man, I think he has to be. He may well have fallen for an old conjurer’s trick – we are expected to go with either the SPF or the reactor, and tear ourselves down the middle arguing the point.

        My assessment of the explosion at R3 was always that pretty much everything inside that box came out of it.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Pallas89Juno

      I think he is rather circumspect as well. I have searched for a link to a radio broadcast he did around six weeks(?) ago where he basically indicated toward the end of it that he assumes nuclear power will have to continue. Not his exact words, but I was shocked to learn that he is not opposed to it.

      My recollection is that the host was located in Ohio(?). This radio broadcast is NOT listed on the Fairewinds site as far as I can ascertain. Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I recall commenting on this at the time on enenews.

      So, yes, I think he does not elaborate nearly as much as he might.


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      • VanneV anne

        Arnie Gunderson really speaks as a nuclear industry proponent. He thinks that the NRC assessment is wrong “that the nuclear power plant containments failed and were breached with debris landing far from the power plants themselves” and that he, Arnie, is correct that it was only the SPF at reactor #3 that exploded in March. He never says that we should discontinue use of nuclear power. At most he concedes that if the NRC is correct, “Such a failure of the containment system certainly necessitates a complete review of all US reactor containment design and industry assurances that containments will hold in radioactivity in the event of a nuclear accident.”
        There is a summary of the video and the video itself at:
        http://vimeo.com/28014740

        Remarks are about 6.0 of the video


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        • milk and cheese milk and cheese

          I agree that Dr. Busby has a more unvarnished take on this disaster, but I am glad that Mr. Gunderson is talking to us. Some of his videos had the impact of a blow to the solar plexus. The charming demeanour conveys some pretty dire news.


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  • farawayfan farawayfan

    OH great. So it’s actually WORSE than Arnie speculated.


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Plutonium is fissile..and there is an issue with self ignition.
      “When exposed to moist air, it forms oxides and hydrides that expand the sample up to 70% in volume, which in turn flake off as a powder that can spontaneously ignite. It is also radioactive and can accumulate in the bones. These properties make the improper handling of plutonium dangerous.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium
      It is worse than Arnie has implied..closer to Bob Nichols and Busby.
      lol..and somewhere between my humble opinion and Tacomas.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        When exposed to moist air..this “accumulation in the bones” leads to a condition that renders it painful to even bear ones weight….Japanese have a name for it..along with the condition of one’s hair falling out from the top of ones head due the radioactive fall-out.
        It takes intense cruelty of a government to do this to their own people.
        Japan is an island..ultimately the Japanese government..will have to absorb in place along with their people.
        Wait for it.


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      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        Glad to see you back, Heart. I believe that Mr. Gunderson is being careful for a reason. If he has not got solid data on the releases (and we assume TEPCO has not released them to anyone ‘outside’) he has to make educated guesses and underestimate the situation.
        It is almost certainly worse than he describes.
        I’ve still got terrible nosebleeds and have no illusion of the ‘purity’ of the lovely day outside.


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  • sueec

    Today I had a massive win. three of my friend update me on Fukushima . One heard me last week on talk back radio re msm blackout on nuclear disaster, one told me head line about Japanese gov admitting Fukushima uninhabitable. And the other ask for latest info…2 weeks ago they were the great unaware and I was the looney tune friend. Tonight at my kids school dinner I made everyone at my table laugh with my description of me playing with my new Geiger counter… then they asked why I had it . I only touched on the terrible unfolding disaster and then left it. Eight more people are now primed to listen.
    It’s slow but gaining critical mass. You can make people be where we are they have to get there and with no support from media its torturously slow. I write and ring and email .. It’s all I can do. Jalap stay awake at night wondering what my children’s world will be and I cry for what we have all lost, for the mothers and fathers in japan who like me love their children .
    But today 3 people who didn’t care now care and eight more are wondering.


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    • nohobear nohobear

      well done. we need to hear of these victories every now and then, most of the news being so awful.

      It’s getting harder to walk past a playground and not want to start crying for the children.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Great sueec! That’s good news in the bad!
      I have a building site at the moment at a school – during the meeting there are always some little ones who press their noses against the windows to see what we’re doing. They’re just so incredibly cute. Makes me swallow every time and it’s hard to stay on the topic…


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  • StillJill StillJill

    That is radical sueec! :-) Majorly motivates me! Thanks!

    I have a similar little ‘trick’. I found the most HYSTERICAL birthday card the other day, so I bought them out and asked for them to re-order more. The card has a pretty Gal in a full what, N95? Gas mask? You see her pretty made-up eyes,…underneath it says, “Happy Birthday from your favorite paranoid person”.
    You open it up, and it’s an even closer up of her,…and it says, “What are you starin’ at?”

    I have sent out three already, to three friends whom I TRY to reach. My poking fun at myself is endearing, in a strange way,….and puts them at ease. Two of the three called me IMMEDIATELY after opening the cards, in hysterical tears, laughing,…snorting in fact!
    One of them, just two days ago, then asked me where I buy my zeolite, and wanted info on baking soda doses.

    You are right–Rome wasn’t built in one day,…although I am growing to hate Rome too! WTF?


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  • James2

    Arnie has had the evidence that the #3 core blew for months now.

    He’s chosen to ignore it and keeps giving the story that the #3 fuel pool blew. I think he knows what’s going on, but he’s walking the political tightrope – trying to get paid by someone, and trying not to get targeted.

    It may all be gone now, but sometime back, a someone posted a photo on Physics Forum that clearly showed a perfectly round hole above the core of #3 – where they claimed the top of the containment or even the Reactor vessel itself ejected. .

    As I recall he/she got shouted down and out from the forum pretty quickly. I checked out all of their data and it ticked and tied perfectly. the best evidence he gave is that if the explosion came from the pool it would have gone blown upwards in a V-shape, and it didn’t it went completely vertical – which means the explosion came from the core.

    I did my own analysis and this is true. There is no way the explosion of the #3 reactor came from the pool.

    The MSM will not be covering Fukushima until people start dying in the United States and Europe and it cannot be traced to anything but Fukushima.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    When I told my Gastroenterologist (cancer), that my naturopath found arsenic in my hair, along with 6 other TOXIC levels of metals, he said, “Maybe one of your ex-husbands tried to poison you”. Yeah Doc,….I’m sure it wasn’t the 17 daily meds you’re pumping into my 100# body,…or the GOM, or DU,…Nah,…..my ‘lifestyle’ caused all my troubles, right!


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  • Sickputer

    Love notes to us all from Areva North America:

    “In regards to news about plutonium detected at the power plant site, the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI) gathered and published some key points about the findings. Based on this information, the NEI concludes that there is “no health risk from the plutonium at Fukushima Daiichi””

    http://us.arevablog.com/2011/03/29/plutonium-here-are-some-facts/

    Click on their PDF files on that page for even outrageous claims:

    http://resources.nei.org/documents/japan/FactSheet_NoHealthRiskfromPlutoniumatFukushimaDaiichi_3-29-11.pdf

    http://areva.com/mediatheque/liblocal/docs/pdf/energies/pdf-savoir-plutonium-va.pdf

    SP: Lovely…From what I read there was 900 pounds of plutonium in Reactor 3 fuel assemblies. Actually I read at this link below that it was 446 kilograms which by my math conversion is about 982 pounds. Since the fuel had been loaded less than a year I assume there was no spent fuel rods if they were using 18-month cycles for refueling. Unknown if they loaded all the 982 pounds into the fuel assemblies from the Areva shipment last August, but probably so.

    http://chong.zxq.net/misc/events/MOX_Fuel_Concerns.htm

    Excepted:

    “Japan has recently built a reprocessing plant to remove by-products and remove plutonium and uranium into a mixed-oxide called MOX for reuse in reactors. Japan’s reprocessing plant, in Rokkasho, a village 300 miles (500 km) north of Fukushima is only starting up, and yet to begin full operation.

    Concerns over MOX appear to be exaggerated, says a spokeman for the TVA. “In terms of mixed oxide fuel, all of our information and calculations would say that the impact and issues from spent fuel that originated as mixed oxide fuel is not significantly different in any of its characteristics from spent fuel that originated as uranium dioxide fuel,” McCollum said.

    Low-enriched uranium fuel and MOX fuel become more similar as the fuel is consumed in fission reactions. “Folks try to cast a pall over MOX fuel because it has plutonium in it,” he says. “We’re trying to make sure people understand that uranium fuel, once it goes in the reactor, starts producing plutonium as well as fissioning plutonium and generating energy from it.”


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  • noho

    My town had been hit hard by fallout. I live in Sebastopol California and I have photos of before and after the fallout. My water was totally contaminated and It killed all my indoor plants after the fallout. The plants had burn areas around where I watered. The evergreen trees are yellow. Now my car is covered in yellow dust “Pollen” right now .. A lot of grape growers are aware of whats going on but the cover up is so massive. We all know GE owns part of Fukushima and GE makes our arms and contributes to our politicians campaigns. Also power is big money. The use radiation to heat water in these reactors for energy is so archaic. Really! they boil water with it to make energy…lol.. It’s old technology but there are so many reactors out there making money with no regulations, they are old and breaking down, so it’s going to get worse before it gets better. A-holes….


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