US Regulator: We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation — “Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’

Published: March 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 am ET
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Title: NRC worried about US National Labs “chomping at the bit” to help with Fukushima Radiation analysis – Call lab directors and say “Knock it off”
Source: Enformable
Date: Feb 28, 2012
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JAPAN’S FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI ET AUDIO FILE
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Saturday, March 12, 2011

MR. SHARON: This is Brian Sharon. Quick question, well, not question, but I’ve gotten a couple of emails here today, from some of the National Labs, and they’re all — there are a couple of them chomping a the bit, you know, saying, “Ghee, can we help? Ghee, can we go calculate this,” with the codes and all that stuff.

I keep telling them, “No, you don’t know the scenario,” but you know, somebody might want to call DOE and tell them to tell their labs to cool it, because the last thing we want is the labs going off, talking to the press, talking about consequences and all sorts of other stuff, because you know, they’re chomping at the bit, to do something, and I’m not sure, Eliot, maybe you’ve got a point of contact up there at DOE?

MR. BRENNER: I’ll send a note to their Press Secretary, asking him, through his chain, to reach out, down to the labs and tell them to back off. If we’ve got other chains, we might as well –

MALE PARTICIPANT: If I could chime in on that? On the Deputy’s call yesterday, I was on with the Chairman, and Pete Lyons was one of the principals at DOE. Lyons may be a good source to contact at DOE.

MR. JOHNSON: This is Mike Johnson. My other thought was, it may be just to cut to the chase, just to pass the same, to call the lab directors and say, “Knock it off,” or whatever messages we want to get to them.

There are a number of ways we can do this.

So, I agree, Brian, we’ve got to do it soon.

MR. McDERMOTT: Okay, we’ll take that action from headquarters.

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105 comments to US Regulator: We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation — “Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’

  • InfoPest InfoPest

    Brian Sharon: “Ghee, can we help? Ghee, can we go calculate this,”

    I guess Mr. Sharon doesn't have alot of respect for scientists.

    "Ghee, who needs scientists when your regulating the NUCLEAR INDUSTRY." (sarcasm)


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    • Look for the Gov. to pass laws against testing anything in labs, possibly even the use of counters and dosimeters !
      We can still use the old newspaper test to see if radiation is in the air, they can't outlaw newspaper ! Can they ?


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    So much for "conspiracy theories." Hundreds of thousands (millions?) are involved in this cover-up and barely a peep. When I called labs about testing they told me that there was no reason to test anything, there was nothing dangerous in California. Thanks everybody.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @NoNukes

      See this article just posted yesterday on The Intel Hub:

      http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/01/plume-gate-shocker-media-silence-raises-troubling-questions/

      Does anyone have a link to more than just the two FOIA documents I have been able to obtain: I have Part 1 which covered the discussions between NRC staff, etc. and I also have the emails. There should be about 2500 pages more somewhere? I will read them if I can find them. Thanks. By the way, this is the first time I've been able to sign in in several days.


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    • jump-ball jump-ball

      For those of you who, like me, suspect that no 'official' detection measurements will ever be publicly forthcoming, and that we citizens will sooner or later be forced to protect ourselves at the local level by making our own measurements, one of the distributors for SE International's "Inspector" unit just told me that after a year of 20-plus week backlogs, they now have units in stock for 2 week delivery in the U.S.

      In the face of probable ongoing and worsening long-term contamination suggested by excellent EneNews reporting, the cost of one of these units seems to my budget a small price to pay to protect oneself and an extended family.


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    • JenMom JenMom

      I too called several labs and was told they had backed off testing. They said the EPA had assured them levels were below what would cause any damage to people. I wondered Why if you have the equipment aren't you doing the testing? Now I can see why? If I was in charge of a lab I would have continued testing.


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    God Damn! I LOVE smokin guns !!!!!


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  • maaa

    Can some translate the above into something more direct? Its kinda hard to understand with all the terms.


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    • Misitu

      They decided not to tell the sheeping* public.

      Stupid snap decisions by inattentive prime ministers, presidents and so on.

      Reminds me of one of my IT Managers, a part time local politician as life would have it. Favourite saying when confronted with a system hiccup likely to embarrass and hearing the explanation and possible consequences,

      "Oi! Don't Confuse Me With Facts!"

      true, true.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Maaa

      Independent scientists at the U.S. National Laboratories (Brookhaven, Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, etc.) wanted to immediately assess the danger to the American public. The NRC told them to "knock it off" in other words, none of your business, we will handle this.


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  • Bobby1

    'to call the lab directors and say, “Knock it off,”'

    …or did they mean, "knock them off" if they say anything about radiation.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Cover up? What cover up?


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Hi dosdos,…..I still chuckle at your all time favorite!–"Liar, liar, plants on FIRE! :-)


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      • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

        Good one, dosdos.
        Thanks one more time, Jill….missed that one til now.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Yes that simple phrase still has me chuckling. "Liar, Liar, Plants on Fire." Always maintain a sense of humor because when you lose that you just make difficult times much more difficult. Not that I buy into "smile and radiation won't hurt you" but humor is the key to dealing with tragedy. IMHO


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        • StillJill StillJill

          I know, huh? :-)

          When 'dosdos' first posted that,….I read it early morning, like now, 5 (ish),…and I posted how it had hit my juvenile funny bone in just the right way that morning. That chuckle made me happy all day! :-)

          Thanks dosdos!


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Yes, I loved that one, too!!


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  • Sickputer

    Translation: The NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) orders the DOE (Department of Energy) to avoid any testing for Fukushima nuclear fallout in America.

    Big Brother at work in America keeping all the citizens in a coma.


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  • maaa

    Why don't they shut down NRC and DOE and all other labs since they are not doing their jobs. Lets see how the workers will feel.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Problem is maaa, they ARE doing their job,…their NEW jobs,….covering THIS ELE up!


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      I do think Gregory Jazkco? has been a voice of reason and I salute is efforts.


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      • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

        @moonshellblue

        I agree, Jazkco is the only one on the NRC who has made any effort to be impartial.


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        • And you see where that got him. I've been poring over the audio transcripts being released, the convos between NRC OpCenter and the commander of USS Kennedy. They were measuring 'gamma shine' from the plume at 100 nautical miles (130 miles) off the coast at 1 Curie per cubic meter. Though it might be as high as 10 Ci/m^3 (danged math first thing in the morning)… and those measurements were taken before unit 3 blew.

          1 Curie is 37 terabecquerels per cubic meter. At 130 miles out on its way to Alaska and the US west coast. Just from unit 1.

          Will go check and recheck the calcs, but that's a nasty, nasty plume. It got worse. And the NRC was very much aware of it.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            JoyB, all I can say is "EEEEEW!" Yes, that is nasty.

            It appears everything needed to establish accountability and liability is now in the public domain.


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  • Jack Jack

    G.E., TEPCO, NRC, EPA are committing crimes against humanity.


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  • charlie3

    Is there no due process of law anymore?
    Prosecute these people.


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    • gr81 gr81

      I believe there IS at least one group trying to prosecute the government criminals: <http://www.judicialwatch.org/&gt;

      They rely on donations and memberships. I've been a member for a few years and believe they are on the right course, just need more money to fight the presently in power, bad guys, America's government (and I must exclude from the bad guy category, the Libertarian and strict constitutionalists, as they do abide by the LAW OF THE LAND; where the others want to make up whatever laws fill their pockets with money and power).


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  • James2

    I read this one yesterday and I've heard so much crazy stuff it didn't even register much more than raised eyebrows.

    I believe this was March 18th, so the coverup was in full force very early on.

    Also note that for you US citizens your tax dollars were paying for your Regulatory Commission to call up your lab and tell them not to do their job…

    Talk about stacking wasted dollars on top of wasted dollars.


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    • ShineTheLight

      I think I will add a line to my Federal 1040 (US Tax Return) deducting all of my many expenses in 2011 attempting to mitigate the hazards and protecting my health. Clearly our existent tax dollars are being used against us. Slime!


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  • maaa

    Everyone look at Tepco's webcam now. There's a line in the middle. Below the line, its snowing like crazy. Above the line, nothing. The webcam is fake! Cold shutdown and fake webcams?


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    • James2

      it's been fake for quite awhile.

      Interestingly, it' not always 100% fake. They don't seem to have the technology to fake moving things – like flames and smoke as much as stationary things, like walls. So it's a mix, but as time goes on, they have to cover up more and more damage in order to keep the charade going.


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    • Peaceismyfriend Peaceismyfriend

      It says in the announcement on the TEPCO livecam page:"After the replacement of camera at 1:05pm on December 3, a horizontal line is seen in the middle of the image.
      This is a reflection of the connecting part of 2 transparent camera covers." I
      Does anyone else think it's a strange "coincidence" that replacing this camera cover created a line in the middle of the screen -which of course would serve well to the benefit of anyone trying to make some video manipulations in haste..


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  • Bob Hardin Bob Hardin

    The NRC knew exactly how bad it was, and they didn't want the DOE to get anywhere near it. Panic prevention. They are still doing it.


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  • markww markww

    WE CALL IT COVER UP COVER UP. The new 1950s song. All these and everyone else has done is sweep the biggest NUCLEAR DISASTER under the rug, well the rug is too small so lets turn around maybe they wont see it

    Mark


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    Hello everyone. I've been reading this site since june-july of last year. I was like most other people I watched the news coverage of 311 like most others, for that first couple of weeks. Life is busy thow, and I continued on with my daily routine, and like alot of others when the msm stoped covering it I "magically"(i chose this word becouse, hell it might well be as well as it worked…) forgot all about it. Then I came across someone on youtube who mentioned fukushima and posted a link to here. I was shocked at what I found and how I was so left in the dark.
    One of the things I've always prided myself on, is my ability to look at things from all angles. Everyones informative posts here have giving me much to look at, and none of the angles look good. Its actually quite depressing…guess that's life. After thinking about it and coming up with there wasn't much I could do, I started posting about it on fb. Its amazing how many ppl will like/comment on someone having hotdogs for dinner, when I started to post info about 311(try to stay out of rain and such…) It turns into a "ghost town". Of my ten or so fb posts, think I got like 3 replys. One person actually called me a debby downer… Needless to say after the lack of response from ppl, I was taken aback and very "down"for awhile.
    I would like to get into spreading the word about 311, but my skill at getting what I'm thinking/wanting to say into written word is lacking. And I would probably get locked up if I started "shouting it from the roof tops". Was thinking more like some kind of sticker or pamphlet I could go around leaving everywhere, and I mean everywhere. I've seen the one pdf that one member posted. I would like some other takes on a handout/sticker we could cover the planet in to protect it from all this fallout. Please and thank you.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @Dustinthewind: awesome post on your part! Almost all of what you've gone through, most have repeated – in one form or another – out here. Difference with me is, I knew from moment one what this was; didn't need anyone else to confirm it. Again, thanks for your excellent insights and words…


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Dustinthewind,…..I agree with AFTERSHOCK,….me thinks you cut yourself woefully short my friend! You are FIERCE at heart,….that is VERY rare!

      I so hope 'we' can get some bumper stickers, fliers, etc,…..

      We will need your tireless steps to get them out there!
      And,…we all have our 'tasks', 'strengths', and 'gifts', eh? :-)

      Welcome my friend! :-)


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Yes, agree with StillJill. All of us here have our strengths. Many have scientific and technical expertise. Some are computer network specialists. Some monitor radiation. Some are academics. Some post to Huffington Post, news outlets, Facebook, and Twitter.

        Some are activists. Some are bloggers. Some, like Admin here, do independent reporting. Some write to Congress Critters and people in governmetn. Anyone who is taking an interest is a hero, IMHO.

        I research and write. Often my "reporting" is feeding data to other independent news outlets.

        Remember there is safety in numbers. Do whatever you can do, in any way you feel comfortable doing it! You are welcome here!

        Being a part of this group is a good way to end that sense of isolation most, if not all of us, have felt. I was told I was "fearmongering" when I tried to make people aware of how deathly serious the Spent Fuel Pool #3 explosion might be. (is, in my opinion!)


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    • cnsrndctzn cnsrndctzn

      Hey Dustinthewind – I echo your sentiments, I was pretty much oblivious until I followed a link to here a couple of months ago, and I realized after reading the great info on this site we had been told a fraction of the truth about Fukuhsima.

      It really makes me so angry, I spend a lot of time outdoors, and I have a young son, and if I had known last spring what I know now I would have kept him and myself indoors for two weeks or so, starting taking some zeolite, planted some hemp and sunflowers in the garden, etc. At least we were already drinking RO water.

      But no, the higher powers made a deliberate choice to protect the image of this industry over protecting people's lives. And Obama with his little trip to South America obviously knew. People are right, he is so controlled by the Oligarchy, people need to get past the false left/right paradigm.

      Anyway, forget about resignations – these were criminal actions! How many people will die as a result? Jail time should be on the table, and Obama should be investigated for how much he knew and how completely he failed his country. And our leader in Canada, Stephen Harper, should be subjected to the same scrutiny.


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    • ShineTheLight

      Be your own bumper sticker! Get a Shirt or Cap designed at Zazzle for cheap. Continue to insert "Fukushima" conversations at the grocery store, restaurants, etc.

      Each time I grow weary about not reaching people I then stumble upon someone that I am able to "convert". And those people are very grateful that they are no longer in the dark.

      Carry on!


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        You can do a browser search under Enenews and add the phrase "T-shirt" or "Tshirt". You'll find a whole list of great suggestions people have made for slogans and T-shirts.

        It has been an inside joke here for a long time, pointing out things in people's comments that are brilliant, and asking, "Hey, is it all right if I borrow that and put it on a T-shirt?"


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      This is the same scenario everywhere. People do not want to know painful truths.

      The appearance is more important than REALITY.

      As long as everything looks good, who cares that people are dying by the millions from cancers of all kinds, and dropping like flies on a closed window.

      As long as they don't KNOW the reason, the suffering is better and easier. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

      That way, if anyone asks what causes all of this suffering and death, the authorities can blame it on radioactive bananas, cosmic rays or lack of smiling.

      Be like yeast… it only takes a little to leaven the dough.

      You will get better with practice. Changing paradigms is not easy work. It is the most difficult thing to do, other than giving birth.


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      Hi Dust…….I post a Daily Nuclear Tidbit on my facebook page and the lack of comments screams volumes, doesn't it? They are mostly links from radchick, enenews, youtube, etc. I think some read or watch them….probly not all the way through, but if just a little bit leaks into their sub-conscious, it leaves that door ajar, and more easily opened by someone or something else. I truly believe the truth WILL win eventually.
      In the beginning, I sent emails, letters and even a couple of phone calls to the White House, Congress, Senators, Newspapers, TV op ed folks…Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow and others. I was blown away about the responses and lack of responses…mostly form letters. Never tried the flyer idea, but it might be worth a try on a local level.
      I'm pretty convinced our best shot is the internet and social networking sites like Facebook. It is definitely the largest interactive audience.
      Keep on keepin on!


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    • Dustinthewind,
      Yes I lost most all my family and Friend's warning them ! LOL

      But I made new friends and family out there and here !
      W E L C O M E, You not alone ~


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  • dave14139

    "Tell the labs to KNOCK IT OFF" is pretty clear to me. God forbid the sheeple know the consequences of this disaster and the real dangers posed by the reactors in this country. WOW! I can only suspect that the media clamp was applied in the name of "national security". What about "people's safety"????


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    Ty aftershock :)

    The sad thing is if I would of known how bad it really was ( correction… IS) I would of packed up and headed to the southern hemisphere, money or not. Now the government(in the U.S) has me in between a rock and a hard spot… I know the effects are accumulative(so leaving should of been ASAP). I know I already have this poison in me, and WHEN I see the effects of it in my health I would probably receive the best care here. So what stay here and hope its not ELE, and be able to have access to good hospitals. Leaving even still an option when looking at it this way?

    I've always told people my while life not to sweat the small stuff…take it with a grain of salt…go with the flow…be like dust in the wind. Hard to tell ppl not to sweat this"small" stuff (radiation/nuclear fallout/ionizing radiation/bucky balls). Ppl don't like to hear that there is something coming in the wind that is smaller than a grain of salt that can(will?) kill them and there kids, and there kids kids, given enough time.


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    *whole life*


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  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    This is a great example of how the NRC should NOT operate.

    People need to start contacting their elected representatives, (federal level) in the USA about the problems with the NRC.

    I provided this comment to the Enformable site but it is probably a good idea for everyone…Just an idea but maybe you could start to compile items like this from the documents released as “evidence” people could use to provide to their elected representatives. Not that you need more work to do but you seem like the perfect group to create instead of a “form letter” for people to send a “form body of evidence” compiled from the NRC’s own documents.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Agreed. And please call Jeff Lyon at Judicial Watch in the department where reporting of such things is done.

      And we need to write to Matt Drudge, Alex Jones, and any other independent, investigative reporters. The lid needs to be blown off this one! And right away!


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    Correction I guess it is easy for some ppl the tell everyone not to sweat this "small stuff". Seems that's all that has been said by tepco, governments(japan/US/etc.), EPA, NRC, etc. etc. etc. How am I supposed to "stay happy and keep a smile"(you know so the radiation won't harm me…) on my face, when I know I've been lied to by so called leaders/experts. Times look so

    "People are capable of kindness beyond angels, yet we also commit sins that would put a demon to shame…"


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  • cnsrndctzn cnsrndctzn

    People need to go to jail for this, however high up the orders were given to cover this up…..so many North Americans could have taken basic precautions……this is so criminal and evil and in no possible way can by justified.


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    *times look so bleak* sorry I'm restricted to a phone for internet no pc…phone is not the best for typing…


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  • Alice Alice

    Shame on you, NRC. You can no longer deny you meant to cover up the worst nuclear disaster in history because you have no ground to stand on.

    Pretty soon, we'll ALL have no planet to live on.


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Ok, so we have plumes of very toxic invisable poisons coming in over the west coast from Fuku, and the big concern over at NRC is that the DOE labs don't tell the press what is happening? Round these guys up and put them to work decommissioning our own atomic plants here. Lock them up at night. You all, at the very least, have to resign. The NRC needs to be retasked to protect the public from nuke plants, not continuing to protect the nuclear industry from the public. Get very angry, America!


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    Once again kudos to the NRC chairman Gregory Jaczko as he recently was the only one who objected to the 2 new Georgia Nuke plants being built. I hope he will continue to be a voice of reason as so many folks at the NRC are trying to get him fired. I think he is the guy to contact and might be able to help shut down the 50 some Mark ones that scar the US. I say shut them all down and where is the public outcry concerning these obviously very dangerous nuclear plants.


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    Ty for the warm welcome stilljill :)

    Anyone know how long Obamas trip to south america, was planned in advance? If the NRC knew, he knew also… I just love to see my hard earned tax dollars at work…


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    • Sickputer

      >Anyone know how long Obamas trip to south america, was planned in advance?

      Probably about ten seconds after he got the Kodak moment report from his partners in crime.

      One of our Rio posters said last summer they had to scramble to find secure hotel rooms and transportation because nobody In Brazil knew he was coming until they got a last minute call to be ready. So much for a pre-scheduled agenda. He took his family out of the approaching plume. I stayed at home in Texas and got a bloody nose from radiation. Think I'm very happy about the liars in DC?


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    • StillJill StillJill

      You bet DustInTheWind! (Always loved that song too!) :-)

      Yes, that trip was someone in the know!


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      • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

        Yea would be a good "theme song" for me this last year… It was more a play on words, my name is Dustin, and with the way TPTB control my life is like I'm blowing in the wind(no control). Seemed fitting for this form, since were talking about nuclear dustinthewind.

        I've always been considered different than most ppl I come across. I seem toalways worry over the bigger picture, and show more empathy than most. Sounds like a good thing huh? Well it caused me alot of problems growing up(teachers don't like you to tell them the things ur "day dreaming" about is more important than ther lesion). So they label me A.D.H.D., when I've been the most layed back person since birth. By the time I was in high school and the teachers would actually listen to what I was saying, I had a teacher tell me I should do some research on indigo children/ppl. I think this label suits me and other similar diagnosed ppl better(if we must use labels…).
        Maybe this cataclysm is what "indigo's" are here to fight against.


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  • dka

    Criminals, must be put to jail.


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  • dka

    And what are the american sheeps doing about it?


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  • Hydraulic Despots of the Nuclear Industry commanding the NRC to tell the Labs not to worry about the mule going blind, just keep loading the wagon.

    Well, I will miss my hair and teeth, but I do look forward to possibly growing a penis.


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  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

    Looking in the comments section, my comments from what I see appear garbled and posted many times. Thee must still be some bugs here.


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  • glmr

    Western Slope of US. I had a biologist friend who called his regular, local lab to get tap water tested after the accident. They told him they wouldn't test it. They had him go on to call the local water quality authorities. They put him through a string of connections, took his full profile, made him wait, and after 30 minutes on the phone, told him not to pursue his inquiry. Everything was okay.

    I walked around my house on one of those fateful days, smelled something bad in the air – like a machine explosion, and came inside to find a surface burn across my face. It lasted 3 days. Got 3 bloody nose episodes. I have pics from my garden of squash leaves that grew inside out – the bottom of the leaf on top, the top underneath. Other plants did strange things, and my sunflowers had double blooms – back to back.

    This is ongoing. We are in the same situation on the west coast of North America as greater Japan. And it's coming to the coastline via the ocean. Who is protecting us? (Drones? blink) Obama? Hillary? NRC, IAEA? Who is protecting Japan? Who is protecting the children and animals and birds – the innocent?

    "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
    - Frederick Douglass

    It's difficult to know what to do. Harmony with nature is the lesson. Science is an anathema without morals. Morality translated is Well Being. Deep awakening is needed – it's where we can all start.
    it's not scary – actually – it leads to bliss.

    Thanks to Enenews for a place to talk about these things.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      I got rainwater on my arm again the other day. For the third time, I broke out in a rash within a few hours, then the skin blistered and felt burned. I have two scars on one of my hands, from where I got previous radiation burns.


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    • NoNukes NoNukes

      Thanks, glmr! That Frederick Douglass quote has been knocking around in my head since last March. It is shocking the quiet submission out there. Thanks for refusing to shut up :) .


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Just read Frederick Douglass' autobiography. Amazing. The man was a true hero. His life reads like the definition of bravery. Good example for us in these difficult times.


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    • glmr,,
      Them 30 thousand drones planes will be circulating full of ammo loads taken out all Zombies that are out in the open, Zombies that wander looking for food help or survival, CDC gas told us to bar the doors and prepare ! Times are coming in a new world, The USA battle field !


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Simply Beautiful Thanks glmr! (Are you a 'glimmer' of hope?) I hope so.

    Great to hear from you! :-)


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Treasonous traitors.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Names. Beautiful. We like having names.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    'Don't know about y'all, but I'm sending this to everyone on my e-mail list.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure when you extrapolate any numbers out this means rates for all cancers will likely increase 100%+ for all of those who were and or are now being exposed to these released radioactive isotopes.


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    Its not even my health I'm so worried about. I smoke and live a hard knock life. Ive never really had the desire to live to a ripe ole age, always thought 50 years of life would be plenty for me (29 at the moment). Figured if I made it that long I would go out with a "bang"( go ski diving w/o a parachute or something). I don't have any kids, deep inside ive always felt that it wasn't right for me to bring a new life into this messed up world, especially when there are so many to adopt.

    I've always had this feeling I was put here to do something more important, just could never put my finger on what it was. Seeing stuff like this makes me think I should say the hell with it all, and go do something very stupid(in hind sight could be genius if it worked) and public to get the worlds attention. At this point it looks like that might be what it takes. I swear ppl are so caught up in there lil personal bubble of make belive, it makes me sick…


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Dustinthewind,

      You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Don't let anyone make you think otherwise! Every person is a unique and wonderful creation, and every life is of inestimable value.


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  • jec jec

    Good to have names. If this was like "Watergate" they would all be in jail! US DOE or other government employees have no extra "rights" compared to the rest of us taxpayers. If this kind of secretive activities cause illness/disease in a large population in the USA–its manslaughter. Stupid people talking out of ignorance–who gave them this "mandate" to coverup? If named people in above discussions can be made responsible for injuries because of their actions — will help all of us in the future. Just because someone has a government paycheck–they are not "anointed"..Everyone in the above discussion and those sending them the coverup guidance could be criminals. Would like to see their "job descriptions"..think they may have broken a few laws. And if it was to make the current administration look "good"…..


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Can't cover things up anymore. Only can be delayed it a bit, and thats all.


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  • Dustinthewind Dustinthewind

    SinceNRC knew then the EPA knew. Anyone know w/e happen with them raising safe radiation levels? Already in place I guess? Anyone point me in a good direction?


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Yes, see here:

      http://www.epa.gov/radiation/rert/pags.html#when

      # Dept. of Energy’s Federal Radiological Monitoring and Assessment (FRMAC): FRMAC Assessment Manual, Volume 1 – Overview and Methods[about pdf format]
      # Dept. of Energy’s Federal Radiological Monitoring and Assessment (FRMAC): FRMAC Assessment Manual, Volume 2 – Pre – assessed Default Scenarios[about pdf format]

      DoE set guidelines for interpreting the EPA's PAG's (Protective Action Guidelines). Because the DoE interprets much higher levels of radiation exposure as being "safe", the PAG's never get implemented. In other words, the DoE guidelines, if used, trump the PAG's. THAT is why NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE to protect us. Oh, and that's aside from the secret trade deal Ms. Clinton supposedly did with Japan just after 3/11. Wish we could nail that one down, too!


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        That's two separate documents by the way. If you can read through the verbiage and wrap your mind around what the DoE guidelines are saying, everything becomes crystal clear.


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