NSFW: Footage of alarms going off during radiation scans on USS Ronald Reagan — “This is crazy… We’re dying and we’re taking videos of it” — “Hey put the camera away” (VIDEO)

Published: December 28th, 2012 at 11:26 am ET
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Title: Radiation Scans
Uploaded by: lil3breezy
Date Uploaded: on Jan 28, 2012
h/t Fairewinds Energy Education
Description: During our 2011 deployment on the USS Ronald Reagan, we went through a radiation plume after heading to help out Japan after the earthquake/tsunami. This is what we had to go through every time we came back off the flight deck. This was the only entry point from the flight deck.

*Not Safe For Work*

At :05 in

  • “This is what happens when you’re exposed to massive amounts of radiation.”

At 2:10 in

  • (Radiation detectors beeping loudly) “This is crazy… Oh shit can you hear it?”

At 2:45 in

  • “This is kind of crazy. When in your life will you ever get to do this shit again besides a nuclear holocaust?”
  • “We’re dying and we’re taking videos of it.”

At 4:45 in

  • “Hey put that camera away.” (Video Ends)

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101 comments to NSFW: Footage of alarms going off during radiation scans on USS Ronald Reagan — “This is crazy… We’re dying and we’re taking videos of it” — “Hey put the camera away” (VIDEO)

  • Some are suing as well:

    US sailors sue operator of Fukushima nuclear plant
    BY: RICK WALLACE, TOKYO CORRESPONDENT From: The Australian December 29, 2012 12:00AM
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/japan-tsunami/us-sailors-sue-operator-of-fukushima-nuclear-plant/story-fn84naht-1226544784484

    "US Navy sailors who say they were showered with radiation from the exploding Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant during relief operations are suing its operator, Tepco, for tens of millions of dollars.

    A lawsuit believed to be the first example of foreigners suing the Japanese electric utility over last year's tragedy has been lodged on behalf of eight sailors in a US federal court in San Diego.

    The sailors were crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan, which played a pivotal role in the US government's massive tsunami relief program called Operation Tomadachi.

    The aircraft carrier was dispatched to the coast off Fukushima in the days after the disaster but had to move on March 14 when it became clear from radiation readings that fallout from the plant had reached its location."


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  • Sickputer

    You can bet all your shore leave mad money that the guys with big braids on their coats never exited or entered that flight deck door. They stayed far away. But it may not have been far enough to escape the MOX dust in the air system.


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  • RJ RJ

    "and this is what happens when your dick is exposed to massive amounts of radiation"

    thinning the herd sounds like a good idea after listening to these 20 year olds


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    • HoTaters

      RJ, remember most of these youngsters may not have had the brash nuclear upbringing some of us oldsters may have had. I'm refering to the group of children who grew up in the "duck and cover" nuclear war drill days, in grade school …. You are hearing the result of ignorance, and what happens to people when the truth has been hidden from them by design.

      There IS a cure for ignorance. Stupidity, well, that's another subject.


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  • razzz razzz

    Then we have this blast from the past….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=095dqQn_3H8

    Fukushima Diary had that link and has updates on the melted core actively off-gassinng where TEPCO will be injecting more nitrogen.


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    • Dogleg Dogleg

      Every time I think about that speech I get so fing mad! I believe as he was making that speech his family were packing their bags for the southern hemisphere. Keep us informed? Rain water in Boise 182 times above safe and still to this day not another word about it. Thanks you fing asshole! Keep us informed? How is removing all the radnet monitors keeping us informed? I hope you burn in hell because I am almost certain there will be no justice served in this life. Because of that speech it became very difficult for me to get my family to take the threat seriously and if my children get sick I will hold him personally responsible.And by the way, the sample that was 182 times above safe was taken aprox 2 weeks after the plume hit. I want to know what the levels were on Mar 21-23 as they were certainly much, much higher


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      • RJ RJ

        I know the majority of Americans will not be able to embrace the idea of face to face war. My dream is that the Canadian "Idle No More" Movement will create a chain reaction among ALL the North American Tribes! and the smart people will follow because they respect leadership and pride, and eventually lead the continent into a more peaceful agrarianism.


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        @Dogleg, check the post I left you in the Nuclear thread..it has those levels for you.. well, at least for March 22. Then they talk about 5 days later..


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      • Johnny Blade

        @dogleg; +1000! I feel like I'm in an echo chamber as my own sentiment & description of all related matters is displayed in your post!~I'd hang around & have more to say about it if I wasn't in a hurry to get my wife to her chemo clinic before her Oncologist leaves for the day so we can find out what's wrong & has her suddenly wracked with pain near the area's her breast & lymph nodes USED to be located!(?) ~FTN~


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        • Johnny Blade

          it sucks that a portion of those young swabs & their loved ones will soon know what my wife & I now know about regarding the cancers that will surely follow for those who were exposed to the initial plumes even closer to the release site than the rest of us thousands of miles away but still getting sick! What about the rest of the Carrier Group's ships & aircraft personnel? Carrier Groups travel with MANY support ships including destroyers,frigates,guided-missile cruisers,etc. I hope they ALL add their names to the lawsuit and despite USN "programming"-they are NOT "expendable"!!!!


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          • Johnny Blade

            The Spruance-class Destroyer I served on in 1982 had a high-pressure decontamination system to wash off the entire ship's exterior which I'm familiar with because I was an HT(Hull maintenance tech)in R(repair)Division and was assigned to the Damage Control Lockers-one fore and one aft,the word "lockers" described large rooms filled with equipment & supplies that saw me responsible for calibrating Radiac's & pocket dosimeter pens,badges and maintaining the inventory of NBC Warfare gear for the 563 people onboard my ship. After seeing the way things went down on The USS Reagan-a floating city powered by the same bogus GE reactors going belly-up on land I've come to the conclusion that they've actually gone "backwards" with regard to post-Cold War radiation safety & detection standards & capabilities!(?) When I saw how they sent decontamination teams out on the flight deck with sudsy,foaming pushbrooms but WITHOUT donning the protective gear I KNOW was available and would've been standard protocol following the activation of high-level radiation alarms in 1982,but not in 2011 is yet another reason I have "0" confidence in the hollow promises ANY branch of govt. so many others sadly "trusted with their LIVES"! I've got a LOT more to say about this issue & related matters including material that contradicts "official" statements I have to "carefully" submit with respect to the implications it WILL have for my "source"!(?) :(


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            • Johnny Blade

              cont'd~ I will say this much before I put together the piece I will be posting sometime over the next few weeks(even if I don't take credit for it or attach my handle to it at all)including actual documents with content considered confidential or on a "need to know" basis~one example being a certain USN base in Japan which included strongly "advising"US military personnel to CAREFULLY source their food & water and expect to spend a LOT of money for imported food and bottled water rather than "locally" produced food items! This was added and "highlighted" in the "POD's" (Plan of the Day)posted daily on every ship or base in the USN! POD's normally wouldn't be seen as documents subject to security classifications issuance except for concerns related to a potential enemy knowing the details of seemingly innocuous daily activities & status of commands that participate in sensitive operations-or in this case "sheds light on & contradicts official assertions that "all's well" or "it never happened"-while they "whisper" advice to "key" service members who have high-level security clearances to "not eat the food or drink tap water and to try to remain indoors as much as possible"??!!~I wish I could just set it all out right now without "repercussions"??!! I'll figure it out and get it out into public view very soon though!… Take Care ENEwser's! :)


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            • HoTaters

              Thank you, Johnny Blade. One of my cousins served on board a nuclear sub in the 1960's. They had a reactor accident of some sort, and had to come to the surface. He told me the crew went through extensive de-contamination procedures. It has been so long I can't remember what they were, specifically. His son was born with severe mental birth defects. I have always wondered if my cousin's radiation exposure damaged his DNA.


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      • HoTaters

        Yep, Cataclysmic, it is infuriating. One day in advance of when the main portion of the plume hit (although some may have come to the West Coast as early as 3/15). History will show him for the brigand he is.

        No cause for alarm, my butt. Scroll down the page to the private NILU forecasts (the ones not released to the public). No wonder O'Bummer and company went to the Southern Hemisphere to "vacation."

        http://globalcooperative.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/reactors-in-meltdown-as-private-forecasts-continue/


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    • RJ RJ

      Do I hafta watch your video link to understand your dialog below?


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  • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

    MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good. I know they gave you some data points that we got from Ronald Reagan.

    MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.

    MR. TRAUTMAN: We got an additional one.

    MR. VIRGILIO: Okay.

    MR. TRAUTMAN: The ship was out, we thought they were getting further away from port and they went up to 130 miles or from the plant, and we were still reading a direct gamma shine of 0.6 millirem per hour, and I am still working on the — the exact ship position and in fact we just got an additional data point from them that is in longitude and latitude and we are busy patching that to NARAC right now so they can update the plots for all of us as part of this process.

    MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Are you doing back- calculations or is somebody doing back-calculations on that dose?

    MR. TRAUTMAN: Back-calculations to the source?

    MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.

    MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, we are — frankly the answer to that is yes, but we are not — we have not done it yet. We are not used to, frankly, dealing with the intermediate age here. We have got a reactor that has been shut down for three days and so we are having to do a little bit more math than we would normally do in getting to that, but we are working that, yes.

    MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Is there — there is some central source, (inaudible) back to IMAC (phonetic).


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good. I know they gave you some data points that we got from Ronald Reagan.

      MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.

      MR. TRAUTMAN: We got an additional one.

      MR. VIRGILIO: Okay.

      MR. TRAUTMAN: The ship was out, we thought they were getting further away from port and they went up to 130 miles or from the plant, and we were still reading a direct gamma shine of 0.6 millirem per hour, and I am still working on the — the exact ship position and in fact we just got an additional data point from them that is in longitude and latitude and we are busy patching that to NARAC right now so they can update the plots for all of us as part of this process.

      MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Are you doing back- calculations or is somebody doing back-calculations on that dose?

      MR. TRAUTMAN: Back-calculations to the source?

      MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.

      MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, we are — frankly the answer to that is yes, but we are not — we have not done it yet. We are not used to, frankly, dealing with the intermediate age here. We have got a reactor that has been shut down for three days and so we are having to do a little bit more math than we would normally do in getting to that, but we are working that, yes.


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      • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

        oops..sorry
        MR. TRAUTMAN: Back-calculations to the source?

        MR. VIRGILIO: Yes.

        MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, we are — frankly the answer to that is yes, but we are not — we have not done it yet. We are not used to, frankly, dealing with the intermediate age here. We have got a reactor that has been shut down for three days and so we are having to do a little bit more math than we would normally do in getting to that, but we are working that, yes.

        MR. VIRGILIO: Okay. Is there — there is some central source, (inaudible) back to IMAC (phonetic).

        MR. MCDERMOTT: IMAC does the — this is

        Brian McDermott — yes, IMAC does the plot. When we have exercises and we practice with them, usually our protective measures team generates the source term and provides it to IMAC, but whatever data you have in terms of field data, if we can provide that to our technical measures team, they should be able to do a back-calculation just to at least give us some damage assessment.

        MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, well they should have — like I said, you already had four data points from us earlier today –

        MR. MCDERMOTT: Okay.

        MR. TRAUTMAN: with different times, so if you can –


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        • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

          MALE PARTICIPANT: How is that communicated to us?

          MR. TRAUTMAN: That was via the phone conversation with Admiral Donald and Mr. Weber, is what I was told.

          MALE PARTICIPANT: Let’s go over those four data points and let’s just make sure we have got them, if you have got them handy.

          MR. TRAUTMAN: I do. This was a — this was let’s see, at 100 nautical miles, I had three things. We had 7.5 –

          MR. VIRGILIO: Hey, hang on a second Steve.

          MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay.

          MR. VIRGILIO: Kathryn, this is naval reactors at –

          MS. BROCK: Oh, we were just trying to call them.

          MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, we have got three data — four data points now –

          MS. BROCK: Okay.

          MR. VIRGILIO: Do you want to come up to the table? I’m sorry Steve. Could you go ahead and start again. At 100 nautical miles –

          MR. TRAUTMAN: Hundred nautical miles with a portable air sample beta gamma, we were reading 7.5 times 10 to the minus 9 th microcuries per milliliter.

          MR. VIRGILIO: Say the number again.

          MR. TRAUTMAN: 7.5 times 10 to the minus 9 th microcuries per milliliter, air sample.

          MR. VIRGILIO: Okay.

          MR. TRAUTMAN: At –

          MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you have a time on that?

          MR. TRAUTMAN: Oh — yes, I have got to go determine — I have a 1300 but that must be local time. Do you remember — when you passed those were those local time sir? You didn’t pass that. Okay.


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          • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

            Then at 1430, essentially the same distance, we had three times to the minus nine microcuries per milliliter and then again at 1700 it was back up to 7.5.

            MR. VIRGILIO: And what was the third time, 1700?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes.

            MR. VIRGILIO: All at 100 nautical miles?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes. And what we were getting is our APDs (phonetic) are going and then we did portable air samples as part of that process.

            MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, so now the additional data point that we have –

            MR. TRAUTMAN: Was at 130 nautical miles.

            MR. VIRGILIO: And the time?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: I don’t have that. I’ll have to get you the time and I’m also I have got another data point as well.

            MR. VIRGILIO: Okay, and that was 0.6 millirem per hour?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: Correct, from beta gamma shine that was actually pointing at the sky.

            MS. BROCK: Wait, that was the one that was at 130 miles?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes.

            MS. BROCK: Okay. Do you have a germanium counter so that you can put the air sample on that?

            MRz TRAUTMAN: Not on board ship. We have airlifted them to Atsugi and we are sending it down to our facility in Yokosuka where there is a germanium detector but I don’t have it at the moment.

            MS. BROCK: Okay. What do you think the time frame is?

            MR. TRAUTMAN: On getting that data?

            MS. BROCK: Yes.

            MR. TRAUTMAN: I suspect we are at least six hours away from that, at least.

            MS. BROCK: Okay, thank you.


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            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              MR. TRAUTMAN: Once we get it, we will certainly pass it.

              MS. BROCK: (Inaudible) in case you have any questions that you need to see a model (phonetic, inaudible)

              MR. TRAUTMAN: We are all dumping — all of this data is being passed to the DOE NARAC site, and so with everything, they should be able to start hopefully generating some more refined plume plots for us.

              MS. BROCK: Okay. But we have been (inaudible) with them too, so we are working hand in hand as far as (inaudible) models and sources terms and different things.

              MR. TRAUTMAN: Okay good.

              MALE PARTICIPANT: This sample is taken from an airborne aircraft?

              MR. TRAUTMAN: No, it was taken on the deck of the Ronald Reagan, U.S. Navy aircraft carrier.

              MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Is it clearly above the deck?

              MR. TRAUTMAN: Yes, this from the ship.

              MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay, is not coming I mean, if — it’s definitely not in the cloud.

              MR. TRAUTMAN: The answer is it — well, I don’t know, I’m not sure what you are asking me. This is not a — we do not have deposition on the ship. This is coming from a cloud.

              MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay.

              MR. TRAUTMAN: We have nothing measurable on the deck.

              MS. BROCK: Nobody has been contaminated.

              MR. TRAUTMAN: Well, that’s not true. We had a –

              MS. BROCK: Oh, there’s been contamination?


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              • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                MS. BROCK: Oh, there’s been contamination?

                MR. TRAUTMAN: We had an individual who was on a Japanese ship that was more directly in the plume have some contamination on their feet, which we did detect as part of the process. But it was not from the deck on the aircraft carriers.

                MS. BROCK: Okay, I didn’t realize that. Okay.

                Thank you Lucas.. I knew I had read this before..

                http://enformable.com/2012/03/uss-ronald-reagan-measured-0-6-mrhr-direct-gamma-shine-from-clouds-130-miles-from-fukushima-daiichi/


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                • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                  Gamma shine still being read 130 nautical miles from the plant.. so, how close did the ship get to the plant?

                  Much closer than the 130 nautical miles they traveled away from the plant where they are still reading gamma shine.. sounds like it was very close to begin with..

                  ..and our experts occur shocked at the data.. it occurs the mock ups were never quite right to simulate the real deal..


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      agreed SP…good job Cat…


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                    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                      Thank you, but I must say good job Lucas Hixon with those FOIA requests!! and taking all the time to research and share. I remember the early days, when we all felt so dang helpless, and all I could do was beg for someone to request info through FOIA, and attorneys..

                      Lucas is a man of action. I even nominated him for the Presidents Volunteer award. He is so very bright, and has made a great news site at enformable.com..

                      Anytime you have a question about how a nuke reactor works, if you ask him, he will take the time to explain it to you..until you get it. Can't say enough about him. Give his site a visit..news worth reading..


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                  • Pierpont

                    @Cat… "so, how close did the ship get to the plant?"

                    The Gipper was just 200 yards off shore. Yep, that's what Garner, the suit who filed the suit told NBC.

                    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/27/16197507-us-sailors-sue-japans-tepco-for-post-quake-radiation-exposure?lite

                    Good lord, and this guy is going to face off against TEPCO and GoJ in quite possibly the most major environmental lawsuit in the history of the federal courts?

                    The report also said Garner said that the plaintiffs were suffering rectal bleeding. WTF?

                    So this raises an interesting statistical question: Given that the Gipper has a crew of 5000, what's the chances of finding 8 of them with hemorrhoids willing to be a party to a wacko lawsuit?? Purty good to 100%, I'd say.


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                    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                      @Pierpont.. thank you.

                      Wow. Here we go.. gonna get ugly real quick as the details from the subpoenas come out..

                      Betcha more jump in as we go along..

                      ..or these claimants better watch their backs..starting to fear for their lives, and not because of their exposure, but because they are going loud and proud and armed with attorneys..

                      I have long wanted to sue TEPCO or the Japanese government for terrorism.. I have felt terrorized for almost two years now..

                      The lawsuits are gonna replicate like rabbits..gonna try to find some popcorn for the show that isn't GMO.. wish me luck ;)


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Pierpoint,
                      I don't know your intent here, but no where in that article does it say 200 yards offshore. it says: "The U.S. carrier was positioned just offshore from the damaged Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant, which and suffered a meltdown which triggered the release of high levels of radiation into the air and water."
                      I don't know how you got 200 yards out of that but it shows where you are coming from and your ulterior motive for showing up on this site again, just as the criminals are getting the light of truth shone on them.
                      We are a legion of anti-nuclear truth sayers here and we are coming for all those who advocate this life killing failed technology. Expect all of us…


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Ah I missed the two football fields away part.

                      "The carrier was less than two football fields away from the Fukushima Daiichi when it released a cloud of radiation," said Garner, speaking to NBC News on Thursday.

                      And I wonder if something has been omitted as all the reports say 100 miles out…


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                    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                      The reports actually refer to a reference point, 100 miles out.

                      "The ship was out, we thought they were getting further away from port and they went up to 130 miles or from the plant, and we were still reading a direct gamma shine of 0.6 millirem per hour"

                      Still reading DIRECT gamma shine, even though the ship traveled up to 130 nautical miles AWAY from the plant. The shine was pointed toward the sky, (remember how gamma beams were reported early on..)

                      "MR. TRAUTMAN: Correct, from beta gamma shine that was actually pointing at the sky."


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      K, and I apologize to pierpoint for the missed reference, but I see from the posts an underlying intent. This "wacko lawsuit" as he put it, is the best that a civilized world can offer to those who have been washed over with radionuclides. It is the only way that the truth (well some of it) will be told. The future mutated generations of this planet (IF) will look back and see those who tried to see and those who are blind. This is the most light that this lethargic and apathetic anti-nuclear movement can hope for given the opponents. As SP said, "This is a tiny snowball, rolling down a very long hill". We, this movement, should nurture and support these legal events, to the fullest extent. Post up what you have in your archives. Who knows, this could be the game changer.


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                    • HoTaters

                      Rectal bleeding is a documented and common symptom of radiation poisoning.


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                    • HoTaters

                      To Jebus, below re: archiving. I hope Admin has at least three separate sets of archives, kept in three separate and geographically separated locations.


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                    • Pierpont

                      Jebus, I agree w/ you 100% that TEPCO and GoJ ought to be pilloried. And I'm not talking about the entities — I'm talking about the individual morons who put us all in this mess. And the morons at GE and the US bureaucrats for providing the MOX. There is lots of blame, and I only hope it lands in the laps of the right people.

                      So I know you want a pound of flesh out of these people, and everybody here does, too. But that's not what this lawsuit is.

                      This is a phony lawsuit filed by a mendacious lawyer and a bunch of greed-hounds looking to cash in big time. 200 yards off shore my a**. Look at that litany of horrible "injuries" in the complaint. That's worse than anything that has been reported by the folks in Fukishima prefecture. And the sailors were 100-130 miles away.

                      These squids have resources, free medical care, roofs over their heads, and a porch to sit and rock on. They'll be fine. The people I'm concerned about are the Japanese folks who lost everything to the EQ and tsunami and are getting radiated and lied to, to boot. When they file a suit, I'll stand up and cheer.

                      In the mean time, these sailors have a lot of gall to ask for $300M, least of all in a US court, IMHO. They're just trying to suck resources away from where they are needed most — the people of Japan. If you agree with that, fine. Enjoy the show. To those of us outside looking in, Americans are all the same.


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Bogus or not, it's the way it works here.
                      And thats why were Americans, because of the way it works…

                      I'll take the universal exposure that this can bring to the table. Maybe it can be the newsable item now, that MSM can pick up.
                      I mean, seems like there's only a small percentage of humans, left on this planet, that give a damn about what happened here.
                      Somethings gotta pop the bobber up to the surface, and reel in the sizable fish that Fukushima is…


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Pierpont, The MOX fuel in Fukushima Daiichi came from France:

                      "The mixed oxide fuel rods used in the compromised number three reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi complex contain enough plutonium to threaten public health with the possibility of inhalation of airborne plutonium particles. The compromised fuel rods supplied to the Tokyo Electric Company by the French firm AREVA….”
                      http://www.dcbureau.org/20110315782/natural-resources-news-service/mox-fuel-rods-used-in-japanese-nuclear-reactor-present-multiple-dangers.html


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Pierpont, "wacko lawsuit"?????
                      Just who is paying you? TEPCO? I hope all 350 million Americans and also people from Canada and the whole Northern Hemisphere sue TEPCO. I also hope the TEPCO high officials are tried in the criminal war crimes tribunals.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Pierpont, Not only was the ship closer than you admit, it was the helicopter crew that flew much close to give aid to the Japanese who have filed suit.

                      You can rant all you want. But that won't change the facts. And if you think a bone marrow transplant isn't quite painful, again you don't know what you are talking about.

                      Of course, the poor Japanese weren't give chelation and bone marrow transplants. The Japanese government won't ever tell them about the radiation and its dangers, and insists that the children eat the radiation contaminated food and clean up radiation contaminated debris.

                      The world abhors such callowness and treachery.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      I forgot to include this quotation:

                      “The second thing — the second thing that has happened is we have had some helicopters conducting operations from the aircraft carrier and one of the helicopters came back from having stopped on board the Japanese command ship in the area, and people who had been on — were on the helicopter who had walked on the deck of the ship, were monitored and had elevated counts on their feet, 2500 counts per minute.
                      “MR. PONEMAN: Yes, 5,000 d m….”
                      http://enformable.com/2012/03/ronald-reagan-helicopter-crews-found-contaminated-10000-ucicm3-airborne-plume-levels-at-100-nautical-miles-far-and-above-expected-10-hours-would-put-citizen-in-pag/


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                    • HoTaters

                      2 Cataclysmic, the good news is so far (at least as of a year or so ago) the popcorn was not GM.

                      Yes, when this gets enough momentum, many of us who suspect we've had major exposure could become parties to class-action lawsuits.


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                    • Pierpont

                      @Anne: The MOX fuel in Fukushima Daiichi came from France

                      The MOX might have been processed in Europe and shipped from Europe to Japan, Anne, but it’s the US bureaucrats [Executive Branch] exclusively who control and approve all shipments of MOX to Japan as per US-Japan and US-EURATOM Agreements for Co-operation concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy. Maybe the experts here could straighten me out on this if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that any (legitimate) MOX at Daiichi got there through the efforts of US bureaucrats.

                      Besides, in an attempt to justify jurisdiction in the US, the complaint alleges that TEPCO “derived substantial revenue from interstate and international commerce. . .” I don’t think they’re selling their electricity to the US, but I’ll bet some of their fuel is coming from the US. There is a lot of Net-chatter about US MOX being shipped to Japan via, for instance, Israeli companies. This is a side issue to the law suit, but interesting in its own right.

                      @Anne: Just who is paying you?

                      Nobody, unfortunately, but if you need a lawyer, I’ll send you my card.

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                    • Pierpont

                      Actually, I’m trying to retire but I would be delighted if TEPCO hired me to defend this bogus lawsuit, not b/c I have any affection for the idiots at TEPCO but because I detest money-grubbing slip-and-fall plaintiffs and their lying lawyers. Even knowing TEPCO screwed up, I would defend it against a lawsuit like this one, first, as a matter of principle, and, second, to preserve resources for the real victims.

                      @Anne: Pierpont, Not only was the ship closer than you admit,

                      The issue I raised with the distance of the ship was that the lawyer, Garner, was misstating vital facts when he said the Gipper was 200 yards from shore. That would mean that a boat that is 1100 ft. long and has nearly a 40 ft. draft was operating in 10 feet of water inside the breakwater at Daiichi, which extends 700 yds from shore. That was one of the dumbest things I have ever heard a lawyer say, and, believe me, I’ve heard my share. If you have information supporting Garner’s statement that the Gipper was just 200 yards off-shore, let’s have it.

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                    • Pierpont

                      @ Anne: it was the helicopter crew that flew much close [??] to give aid to the Japanese who have filed suit.

                      Where did you get that? The plaintiffs are listed as: 6 boatswain’s mates “on the flight deck”; 1 boatswain’s mate handler, 1 air decontamination specialist, and a baby. Which of these were on the helicopter? I see absolutely no allegations about any helicopters or helicopter crew members. If you are making this stuff up for emphasis, you’re beginning to sound like another slip-and-fall lawyer. Are you being paid by Garner to help gin this thing?

                      @Anne: And if you think a bone marrow transplant isn't quite painful

                      Why are you twisting the conversation? Nobody said anything about how painful BMT is. I have two good friends who have recently had them. Neither one was in Fukishima or ever exposed to unnatural doses of radiation. The huge, vast majority of people in this world who have had a BMT were not in Fukishima and have not been exposed to radiation, so even if one of these plaintiffs ever has to have a BMT — and I pray none of them ever will — that doesn’t prove a thing.

                      Besides the suit doesn’t allege anyone has been subjected to BMT, it speculates that BMT will be required in the future, along with chelation therapy.

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                    • Pierpont

                      Chelation therapy, give me a break. It’s only approved use is for massive heavy metal intoxication bit it has been claimed to be a miracle-cure for what ails you by wackos for decades. When people start throwing around “chelation therapy,” especially people in lawsuits, you know you’ve waded into looney-land.

                      @Anne: You can rant all you want.

                      Beg pardon? You said that as a part of your 4-part rant. You are taking me to task for suggesting that these Americans are trying to get in early and get all the money they can out of TEPCO, which leaves less for the real victims. You sound like one of these US ambulance-chasing lawyers who is annoyed that someone would call them out.

                      OK, you want rant; here’s my rant: This is a wacko lawsuit. This is Orly Taitz type of legal practice. It is wacko technically and has already been tossed out of court once. It is does not comport with federal pleading standards. On the merits it is wacko b/c it does not even allege all of the elements of the causes of action. These suits are filed hoping that the defendant will toss the plaintiffs a bone and they will go away. It’s called a “nuisance suit,” and for good reason. It makes people like you feel good because it alleges as “facts” all the horrible things you think are true, but if you throw a bunch of garbage into a complaint and file the complaint in a federal court, you still got garbage.

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                    • Pierpont

                      Citing “enews.com” does not make the suit valid, although everyone here would naturally like to think so.

                      The problem is that these things backfire. Ask Orly. Or ask the ASPCA who just ended up getting spanked for $9M after filing a phony lawsuit against Ringling Bros. In the end a lawsuit like this can damage the real victims by casting doubt on their valid claims, but burning off defendants’ resources that could go to the valid victims, and by tying up the judicial system w/ BS. And that is why I rant. Not sure why you do.

                      Having said that, I think there is a case to be made, as Jebus has said, that all of the publicity this suit gets draws the world’s attention to the problem. But it is not drawing the world’s attention to the REAL problem, which is the people of Fukushima. If I was one of the 60,000 Japanese people still sitting in shelters after 2 years with no home, no place to go, my world shattered and radiated, and I read about these American sailors sitting pretty in San Diego suing TEPCO for $300M, I would be livid. In fact, I am livid, and you should be, too.


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                    • Jebus Jebus

                      "Garner, was misstating vital facts when he said the Gipper was 200 yards from shore."

                      He is not in court in the interview and how do you know that he wasn't "erroneously" misquoted?

                      "The problem is that these things backfire. Ask Orly. Or ask the ASPCA who just ended up getting spanked for $9M after filing a phony lawsuit against Ringling Bros."

                      Although I agree that this has been a circus, right from the first magic trick decades ago, but to get some results against a beast so large, that it slays a nation, there is no other way…

                      Bring it to court. All of it…


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                • HoTaters

                  I think Trautman was told to lie.

                  Yeah, Lucas Hixson at Enformable is pretty awesome. He has written some VERY scathing critiques of the nuclear industry. He is so well spoken.

                  So is Enenews' Admin. doing a great job. And a host of others. We appreciate you.


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                  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

                    I really have to take exception to Pierpont saying … These squids have resources, free medical care, roofs over their heads, and a porch to sit and rock on. They'll be fine." NONE of that is necessarily true. They may have only had free medical care while onboard the ship, they may or may not be pending all the other VA disabilitiy claims that can take up to two years (last I heard) to even get read…. so, ..they may be sick, out with no pay, maybe living back with parents or relatives, etc, etc. so… his 'fantasy-assumptions" about these young sailors need to be corrected and pointed out. I'm sure they did not have any idea about the danger they were in.


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          • HoTaters

            "Ten to the minus nine…." Add nine zeroes to the figure.

            The UC Berkeley BRAWN (Nuclear Physics) laboratory has or had some explanation of interpreting their data. If you don't find it there, explanations appear elsewhere, online. Whenever there are lots of numbers in the exponents, you know they are discussing a large number.

            It isn't intuitively obvious, the way the reporting is done.

            Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, OK?


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            • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

              HT:
              A lot of numbers in the exponent does NOT mean a large number.
              sign on the exponent is just as important as the exponent.
              Note that they are very clear to denote "minus" before the exponent.

              "… reading 7.5 times 10 to the minus 9 th microcuries per milliliter." means that they measured 7.5 billionths of a microCurie per milliliter.

              With a minus prefix on the exponent, the larger the exponent, the SMALLER the amount.

              For clarification:
              7.5E3 is 7500
              7.5e-3 is 1/7500

              7.5E6 is 7.5 million
              7.5E-6 is 1/(7.5 million)

              1E9 is a billion
              1E-9 is a billionth.

              Hope this helps.

              Mind you, I must add that the NRC numbers are likely off (optimistic) by 10X to 100X.

              The video of them shampooing the deck was just astonishing!
              I saw no inhalation protection on anyone!


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              • HoTaters

                Thank you for the clarification on the exponents.


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              • HoTaters

                "sign on the exponent is just as important as the exponent.
                Note that they are very clear to denote "minus" before the exponent."

                The number to which the exponent is assigned is also important, as is the number of decimal places to the right of the "." You can mask a relatively "large" amount of some element like PU 239 by presenting the number as a very small number (lots of numbers to the right of the decimal place) and then adding the "-" sign and some exponent (power of 10, if it's base 10).

                It all depends on how the numbers are presented. The numbers can be clear or misleading, depending on what you do with them. Anyway, FireGuy, thanks again.


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            • razzz razzz

              It also depends on what element is being discussed.

              Plutonium has to be the worst cancer causing radioactive element where 10-9 of gram caused cancer in all lab dogs injected. That is one billionth of a gram of plutonium injected.


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  • This room is a contamination nightmare, no one has any clue of how bad this was. They are carelessly spreading contamination from a MOX reactor explosion all over by throwing clothes and wearing shoes. There is no "containment" in this area and no one is wearing masks. Everything they had on their clothes they breathed in as well. Im sure they know now they are in DEEP SHIT. But no one conveyed this properly at the time to them, I think thats obvious.


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      The best we have to offer, and many of these poor souls are laughing.. don't suppose they are laughing now.. future generations will continue to be mutated..

      I want to scream at them to put on masks, gloves, proper gear… I kept thinking, oh, no! oh, no! All that gear should have been bagged and tagged..and isolated.

      How is it that we no longer fear radiation as a species.. doesn't that tell all of you something?

      It should give you a clue as to the enormity of this monster.. and how much damage we have allowed by deregulation of media… this lack of fear, this nonchalant attitude regarding nuclear fallout contamination, could not have happened without it..


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    • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

      I was screaming at them too..& ahh gee whiz in some ways at least when media is present we saw the Japanese, fully suited up when scanning members of the media for radiation.

      How bizarre to set up only one entry point, to know to choose an area with less ventilation…yet no safety gear for anyone. And they are part of the biggest military in the world… :P Do you feel safe now?!?!


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    • HoTaters

      Yes, and the CNN report showing them swabbing down the decks on March 14 (?) makes it clear they had no protective gear whatsoever. See today's article re: the lawsuit. Someone posted a link there to the CNN video taken the day the crew was performing "decontamination procedures." It's pretty sickening.


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    • +1

      Great points eyechix.

      They may also 'think' they know it safe, because someone they trusted told them it was okay. I believe I know how that feels.

      The academic nuclear playbook talk back manual is being proven as wrong and unreliable just as when the scientists a long time ago thought the world was flat. Many would say they believed that to be true, but mostly because saying that it was not flat could get you killed.


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  • razzz razzz

    What do you do when your source for freshwater is contaminated with fallout and your desalting for freshwater system becomes irradiated? Pull into port to be refitted with filters for separating the fallout and new containers to hold the nuclear waste?

    Using the ship's barbershop as a staging area for nuke contamination testing, thought the Navy was more high tech than that.


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  • That's some messed up sh!t. That's nervous laughter – they are obviously being lied to about the severity of the exposure, and the likely effects. They are on a "need to know" basis, and apparently they don't need to know. Absolutely mind blowing.


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  • CB CB

    The Forecastle (anchor room) is only naturally ventilated through the bull nose of the ship. This video makes no suggestion to the almost hundreds of forced ventilation systems through out the ship, often carrying air to many more spaces on board. Sick! The fellow holding the counter had minimal training, beeps scare people. That is all they know, that it might be bad.


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  • Sol Man

    These people on the video have no earthly idea how toxic Pu is even if we are not considering effects of the radiation of the stuff.
    They need very much better training! Too late.


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  • Stephengn

    Someone somewhere needs to document what is left of the lives of these men and women. They are the American counterpart of the Fukushima Fifty. Will the nuclear establishment be allowed to sweep their sacrifice under the rug?


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      'Sacrifice' involves something like informed consent – they're obviously clueless victims.

      I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the commander relied on the word of Japanese criminals to keep my $4.5B aircraft carrier and 4700 personnel out of harm's way. Double that for all the other ships and personnel accompanying the Reagan.

      Perhaps this will come out during the 7th Fleet Commander's court martial.


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  • Sickputer

    Court martials rarely happen to bigwigs in the military. The bigshots in DC usually transfer them or let them retire (occasionally take a star away and some benefits). But if you are a lowly grunt…you lose retirement, go to the brig, and get a dishonorable discharge.

    The only act most of the US commanders in Japan were guilty of was ignorance. They play with Dr. Frankenstein's messy creations, but they sure don't have any idea how deadly those alien creations are even during "normal" operation.

    When the US military is faced with a public nuclear hazard (their term is Broken Arrow), they are very confused and frightened Indians. They have learned very little from their numerous military nuclear accidents and they are as toothless and ineffective as the NRC when a nuclear crisis spirals out of control.

    When a Fukushima-type accident occurs in America the military and the NRC will prove they still have no effective prevention plan for nuclear accidents and no idea on how to contain an accident when it occurs.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I find it interesting that the USRR is a very environmentally conscious city…

    http://greenfleet.dodlive.mil/files/2012/09/EQ-LS_CVN-76_FY11.pdf

    After Fuku, does that make it a day-glo green ship?


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