Expert: Billions of pieces Fukushima nuclear fuel have spread pretty much everywhere — “It’s truly frightening… wherever there’s cesium, there’s plutonium” — Atomic bomb had one pound of uranium… Fukushima had hundreds of tons — TV: “Abundant quantities” of plutonium are being found (VIDEO)

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Fairewinds Japan Speaking Tour Series No. 3, Feb 24, 2016 (emphasis added):

  • Maggie Gundersen, Fairewinds Energy Education Podcast host: One of the things that you’ve talked about and [environmental scientist Marco Kaltofen, PhD, PE] have talked about is internal radiation exposures and hot particles. What’s the difference between a bomb exploding and a nuclear plant exploding in the hot particles?
  • Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds’ Chief Engineer and former nuclear engineer (emphasis added): Most of the bomb exposure was from a direct flash that was over in seconds. There wasn’t a significant amount of contamination on the ground because the bomb went off 1,000 feet in the air. So there was not a lot of radiation residual left on the ground for hot particles to get into people’s lungs… That’s not what we’re seeing at Fukushima Daiichi. Everything I’m finding here is millions and billions of very, very small particles that are spread pretty much everywhere. We’ll know a little bit more about that in the future… There’s no comparison between a bomb and what happened at Fukushima. A bomb obliterated maybe a pound of uranium and it was a thousand feet in the air, so most of it went up almost immediately; whereas each of the nuclear reactors at Fukushima had 100 tons of uranium in them so that the quantity of radiation that’s spread out throughout the countryside is orders of magnitude higher at Fukushima than it was at Nagasaki.

Fairewinds Japan Speaking Tour Series No. 2, Feb 17, 2016:

  • Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds’ Chief Engineer and former nuclear engineer (at 2:30 in): We found a parking lot at a supermarket [in Fukushima] that had a large radioactive source right in the middle… that people were walking over and driving over. It was loaded with black radioctive dust just wherever you go – it’s everywhere
  • AG: One of the samples that one of my fellow scientists collected showed plutonium –and significant amounts of plutonium. It was in a square meter… he was getting 19 disintegration per second [becquerels] of plutonium. That stuff is going to be around for a quarter million years
  • Maggie Gundersen, Fairewinds Energy Education Podcast founder: That plutonium was part of the core that came out then in the explosion, correct?
  • AG: Yeah, the only source it could ever have come from is inside that nuclear reactor.
  • MG: And the plutonium is being redeposited at locations that where unanticipated?
  • AG: Yeah, it’s everywhere.… It is everywhere, and we’re very careful, we’re wearing gloves all the time, respirators all the times…
  • AG: Wherever the ground is exposed, there is a high level of radiation in the mountains around here… it’s all going to run right off and into the Pacific Ocean…
  • MG: You talked about the plutonium — where was that found?…
  • AG: The plutonium was found in a farmer’s field about 10 miles from the power plant, it was found because that’s where they looked. If it’s sitting out in that farmer’s field, it’s everywhere. Wherever there’s radiation — cesium — there’s going to be plutonium, and that’s truly frightening… It’s pretty clear that significant amounts of plutonium are scattered throughout the hillsides… plutonium has got a 25,000 year half-life, so it’s a quarter of a million years before it’s gone.

Discovery, Dec 27, 2015: “Although only limited areas of Fukushima are allowing residents to come back, that doesn’t mean these areas are safe. You can still find dangerous radioactive elements such as cesium, strontium, and plutonium in abundant quantities here.”

Fairewinds’ podcasts here: No. 2 | No. 3Watch Discovery broadcast here

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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Update On Chernobyl New Safe Confinement

    http://www.ibtimes.com/chernobyl-30-years-work-giant-confinement-structure-set-replace-ageing-sarcophagus-2357927

    Google Earth view of New Safe Confinement shows little work being done.
    So, could lack of funding have put the project on hold?
    But, the April, 2016 article says workers are rushimg to finish the NSC for deployment in 2017.

    • Sickputer

      Re: NSC at Chernobyl: "To minimize the risk of workers’ exposure to radiation, it is being assembled in the vicinity of the site and then slid into position,”

      SP: The Japanese are very thoughtful of their workers also. (Not!) No digging under Units 1-4 to stop the runaway cores. No covers currently under construction other than flimsy panels with handy vents. No followups or official lists of workers who get sick or exceed lifetime levels of radiation contamination.

      And most workers are ordered to stay far away from the feed and bleed watering operations. The problem is the entire island is a hot mess so they merely save an order of magnitude of contamination from staying in the tanks area, but with their charcoal respirator use they have probably managed to avoid the quick deaths of The Liquidators at Chernobyl. But they have to take the masks off at times (most smoke like a chimney and they have to eat) so unless they stay in a filtered control building during those off-mask times they are certainly ingesting high levels of alpha and gamma rays. Knowing the Japanese sense of control they probably have excellent records on who has died and who is sick. But the world may never get that data.

    • razzz razzz

      From PhilipUpNorth link:
      "…The Chernobyl disaster spewed out huge quantities of the radioisotopes caesium-137 and iodine-131. According to some estimates, the accident released 5,300 PetaBecquerels of radiation — nearly 10 times more than the amount released during Japan’s Fukushima disaster in 2011…"

      From another link, the drone overview video is interesting showing the new cover at Chernobyl. Once completed, it will be rolled in place over the blown out reactor building and its old failing sarcophagus. I wonder what radiation exposure they are afraid of where at Daiichi it seems of little concern. Meant to last 100 years, I bet the cover gets subjected to radioactive dusts during decommissioning work and shortens its projected lifespan.

      Old Russia contributed over a half million workers/soldiers for stabilizing Chernobyl then walked away from it leaving others to worry about its costs.

      "…The New Safe Confinement is a key part of the Shelter Implementation Plan. Its construction is financed via the Chernobyl Shelter Fund, managed by the EBRD as mandated by the G7 and on behalf of the contributors to the Fund."
      http://www.ebrd.com/what-we-do/sectors/nuclear-safety/chernobyl-new-safe-confinement.html

      • Jebus Jebus

        Awesome point in GMI reality.

        How can anyone say, that this or that, is greater than or less than, this or that, when there is no corroborating data, only opposing data, and no scientific consensus, on the quantities or magnitudes, of this or that.

        It's scientifically insane…

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Business World Acknowledges Fukushima Radiation
    Pacific Seafood "Undesirable For Human Consumption"
    "… because of the nuclear disasters in Japan and radioactive contamination spreading through the Pacific Ocean, vast species of fish and plant life are being adversely affected and are undesirable for human consumption. The best quality, wild caught seafood from the Atlantic and Caribbean is part of a well-managed sustainable but limited supply. This acquisition by GPDB is a critical move to ensure consistent access to popular high quality, sustainable-sourced seafood at the very best value for its customers."

    http://financialpress.com/2016/05/19/gpdb-announces-a-purchase-agreement-for-one-of-the-largest-u-s-suppliers-of-fresh-caught-msc-certified-seafood/

    Send this to all your friends.
    Hold onto your hats, brothers and sisters.
    It's gonna get interestin' now. 😉

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Just billions..?
    Might we move on to daughter products and higher math of which Human can compute but not conceptualize, and of which, should never be allowed to deal in/with?

  • harv33021

    Here is a person who took the Keshe Magrav Energy System and simplified the whole process. He made it much simpler to build and his explanation of how it works is much easier to understand. He calls his unit a Q1. You do not have to be a victim any longer. …….”There are all the videos needed to make a complete IQ energy reactor on this page and instructions on how to free yourself and your family from needing to buy gasoline or electricity. This device can be used in your car or your home or since they are much simpler to make and understand then you can make many. Combine the units together in certain sacred geometry formations and you will achieve unimaginable things.
    If there is one thing to make a suggestion for it would be for you to donate your last full electric bill to our cause. Make them sell them do whatever you'd like but do it with the best of intentions!
    Much love.
    It is so.
    Michael”
    See Mike Nashif on Facebook, also The Infinity::::***::::Project on Facebook and his youtube videos.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Speaking of off-beat items,
    Here is the latest Zeta newsletter…
    http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue503.htm
    The Zeta take on pole reversal is that from time to time, a heavy object moves past Earth's orbit.
    The magnetic field causes Earth to experience a magnetic pole shift.
    The gravational attraction with this object causes Earth's plates to move into a new configuration.
    If that ever happened, there would be much dislocation, quite literally, for humans on planet Earth.
    Off-beat tho it seems, I read this Friday newsletter weekly, since it has a perspective found nowhere else.
    Highly suggested as regular reading for ENEnewsers.

    ZetaTalk contends that such a movement of Earth's crust is underway, as the heavy object in question is now exiting the inner solar system in Earth's vacinity.
    Might be.
    Might not be.
    But then, Earth has those gigantic mountain ranges…
    Build by one big plate push.
    What would cause the plates to push one against another with such force? 😉

      • Gasser Gasser

        Song to> Georgia on my Mind

        ~~~~~~~

        Fukushima, Fukushima,

        the whole day through.

        
Just an old bitter song
        
Keeps Fukushima on my mind.

        I'm saying Fukushima
        
Daiichie

        
A song of you

        Comes death and fear


        As Corium's shine through the pines

        Other isotopes reach out to me,
        
other radionuclides enter tenderly.

        
Still in nightmare dreams I see,
        
the road leads back to ELE you.

        I said Fukushima—-O'oh Daiichie,
        no peace I find

        
Just an old ELE song,
        keeps Fukushima on my mind.

        Other enenews posters reach out to me,

        other Bloger's treat me tenderly.

        
Still in radioactive dreams I see
        
the ELE road leads back to you.

        I'm singn' Fook…U…shima,

        No peace—-no peace I find

        
Just this old pissed off song,
        
Keeps Fukushima on my mind.

        I said just this old pissed off song,
        
Keeps Japan's Atomic Radiation on my mind

        ~Gasser Classic~

  • Large earthquake in the MIDDLE of Australia, very odd

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#{%22feed%22%3A%221day_m25%22%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Atrue%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3Atrue%2C%22timeZone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A[[-60.06484046010449%2C-252.77343749999997]%2C[83.06877413473718%2C53.0859375]]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22list%22%3Atrue%2C%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22settings%22%3Afalse%2C%22help%22%3Afalse}}

    copy paste, or 3 click and go

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Dehumanization.
    It's all about dehumanization.

    Tesla, Eugenics And Rationalizing Dehumanization

    11/19/2016

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/#1cbe1da06288

    Born of madness, whose ultimate goal is to live in a hovel, counting on artificial environments to sustain them.
    But now ..they walk the Earth with us..
    The breathe in the same radiation filled air, eat the same contaminated food..ETC.
    It would be tidier if they crawled in their hovels to die ..I suppose.

  • Lots of angry people, shots at the whitehouse

    http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

  • Sick, Sick, Sick ….
    NHK: Rice farming resumes in a Fukushima town
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160520_20/

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Hot particles are detectable with common geiger counters.
    If you own or have access to a geiger counter, scan your body for hot particles.
    You will only be able to detect hot particles which emit gamma radiation.
    Alpha might be detectable, but only on your skin.
    Hot particles seem to be captured by lung tissue, and perhaps by gut tissue as well.
    Once in, they never get out.
    I've experienced a weakness in my left lung throughout my adult life.
    Seems to have coincided with the onset of nasal allergies when I was in high school.
    I grew up in a house 22 miles from a nuclear plant, and my family lived with open windows in the summer.
    When I got a geiger counter, I ran it all over my body to scan for hot particles.
    Sure enough, at the bottom of my left lung, I found a gamma source that I could point the tube right at.
    I knew it was a hot particle, because the ticks when I pointed it directly at the source, measured twice the average cpm reading the geiger counter measured when sitting on my end table.
    Ten minute counts produced a background reading of 15cpm, with a ten minute count of 32cpm when pointed at the hot particle location in my left lung.
    Since alpha and beta radiation won't make it out thru the skin, this test will only work with hot particles that also emit gamma radiation, which is all the geiger counter will respond to.
    Now, I'm old, but I'm still here.
    Plan to be here tomorrow, too. 😉

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      I once calculated that we get 250,000cpm hitting our bodies from all angles all the time.
      We live in a sea of radiation.
      Sleep well, all.
      See ya Monday! 🙂

  • MVB MVB

    US EPA Radnet data: First Half of May 2016, All Monitors, Graphed – completed:

    https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/us-epa-radnet-data-first-half-of-may-2016-all-monitors-graphed/

    couple observations from that, including: Only 3 Beta monitors left in the entire Western US:

    https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/us-radiation-monitoring-network-becofallout-blind-epa-radnet/

  • A few days ago, I issued an Earthquake Alert, primarily due to intense activity on the Atlantic ridge and an overall quiet period. It didn't play out where I expected, but it sure did play out:

    1) 3rd biggest earthquake in 100 years in middle Australia
    2) Volcanos popping off like champagne in Central America
    3) Large EQs in Ecuador (h/t flying cuttlefish) https://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/volcanoes/

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/05/earthquake-alert-plays-out-huge.html

  • Now I have some hope that the magazine shown below is a foreboding for a bursting of the bubble that we call "Big Pharma".

    Just recently the arrogant and narcissistic hedge fund manager who jacked up the price of critical medicines by 10s or hundreds of times their prior cost, being called into question, and sneering at the government officials, well….that about says it all. – See more at:

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-bubble-in-big-pharma-detected-via.html#sthash.woCiWsBF.dpuf

  • EPA Getting Rid Of Beta Detectors (Which Monitor Nuclear Accident Fallout) And Dismantling Mobile Environmental Radiation Laboratory (MERLs) That Detects Radiation In Air, Beaches, Animals, Food; Why?
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2016/05/epa-getting-rid-of-beta-detectors-which.html

  • stock here, see near bottom, this publicily held US corporation goes on record as stating that Fukushima killing the Pacific is part of their business strategy. – See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/05/us-corporations-are-now-talking-about.html#sthash.ZGuyxtA2.dpuf

  • dunkilo

    Radiation will be the least of our worries pretty soon.
    Peace to all.Good luck in the days to come folks.

  • Bay Area Guy 2

    Guess that explains why I have been diagnosed with a small kidney lesion that will be removed during an operation in June despite not being a smoker, not being anything more than a social drinker, not being overweight and not having high blood pressure.

    • GOM GOM

      Bag2
      Biopsy? Would you provide the zip code for where you lived the longest? I am researching. Will get back to you quickly with info concerning lesion.

      • Bay Area Guy 2

        94121.

        Rather than just a biopsy, I'll be getting it ablated.

        • GOM GOM

          Bag2
          How far are you from the Chevron terminal? Do you drink city water? Benzene is a big concern as related to renal.

          Are you near PG & E or the drydock terminal (Chevron)
          Mercury concern. Not sure heavy metal toxicity as related to renal. Yet.

          So you are an established candidate for the procedure? NO radiation right? Just a friendly warning, kidneys react poorly to rads. The worst. Ask EXACTLY what will happen with procedure. Can be removed minimally. Please trust me on this. Make an informed decision yourself.

          Take care
          XOXO

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Lots of reasons for problems and I have a friend who is now peeing blood in his urine.
            http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/blood-in-urine/basics/causes/con-20032338

            It happened once to me when I was a runner and in a track competition in High School. I heard and felt a pop in my back during the race and when I went to the bathroom I was peeing blood. Cleared up after a couple of days and went away and I never gave it another thought.

            But yes, did scare me just a little when standing at the urinal, but that was when I was solid muscle and young and indestructible.

            The body has the potential to heal all things unless it is getting bombarded with poisons like Nuclear or others 24/7 and then it can't repair the ongoing damage fast enough.
            http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2016/05/ABC-CBS-NBC-News-Stations-Cover-Chemtrail-Poisoning-Video.html?m=1

          • Bay Area Guy 2

            GOM…..at least 30 miles and reverse wind from the Chevron terminal…..drink bottled water…..and not near any kind of PG&E substations. As to the procedure, absolutely no radiation. The options were surgery or the ablation. The ablation is outpatient and has a one or two day recovery period. I misspoke a little about the biopsy. They also said I could do just a biopsy, but since they can do that as part of the ablation, it seemed rather silly to simply do a biopsy.

            obe…..Interesting you should talk about blood in the urine. This all started for me because during a routine physical, microscopic blood was detected in my urine, so my doc had me get an ultrasound, thinking it was a kidney stone. Surprise! That's when they found the lesion. Since it has grown over a one year period…..little growth, but still measurable, I figured having it taken out was the most prudent thing to do.

    • GOM GOM

      Bag2
      Would you provide zipcode/s for where you lived the longest? Or the area/s. I'll get right back to you concerning lesion.

  • harv33021

    I get a kick out of seeing the trolls and assholes expose themselves when I mention anything about Keshe. Check out Mike Nashif on Facebook it's free and a great education. The Golden Age of Gans is another good site. This technology can and will provide the answer to our energy, health, food,transportation and decontamination needs. The best part is it is open source information and you can build these devices yourself.

    • Any "technology" that can provide all those solutions, is obviously bullshit. I rest your case.

    • Calling everyone here "trolls and assholes" will earn you some black stars, and get you some more 'influence' and not in a good way.

      Keshe has been given lots of money, lots of time, and lots of rope and he has used it to hang himself with it.

      When you have a habit of taking money, making promises and then NOT DELIVERING, it says something about your character.

      The nuclear industry works that same way.

      People who hang with sociopaths often become just like them.

      Be careful who you hang with.

      • harv33021

        I love to watch you guys crap all over yourself when I mention Keshe. It won't be long before his name will become a household word….. Deciding that I had nothing to loose but a little time I made several of the health items. The results we truly spectacular. Because I have given away over 100 pads and around 25 pain pens I have people getting back to me every week with amazing testimonials. I have a PEMF device and a Rife Machine in addition to that I have access to a handmade laser/frequency device that is on cutting edge of technology and beyond the price range of most people. Even so,the pain pens and pads which cost me pennies to make and have produced the fastest and best results. The best part is anyone can make these simple tools for less than $5.00, which is a pretty damn good deal.

    • Reported HARV troll comment, urge others to do the same

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "In addition, TEPCO said that the plaintiffs’ claims for injuries occurring during their response to an emergency are barred by the “firefighter’s rule,” which bars suits by emergency responders for injuries that were within the known risks of the emergency to which they responded."

    TEPCO Urges 9th Circ. To Drop Sailors' $1B Fukushima Suit
    May 12 2016

    http://www.law360.com/articles/795625/tepco-urges-9th-circ-to-drop-sailors-1b-fukushima-suit

    Does anyone really think that the service men and women on the USS Ronald Reagan ..knew the known risks?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    How is a freak nuclear accident a known risk??

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      How is it that a company that has admitted lying about the risks and covering up and manipulating, downplaying radiation releases has the balls to claim the sailors knew the risks. Especially sailors that are not privy to what superior officers may have known. With all the navy's sophisticated monitoring equipment they claim to have been surprised. Ha.

      If there is any justice in this world, well never mind. There's not

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Who exactly on this corrupt planet would have better monitoring than a Naval vessel?
        Does a person think for one second the top brass/pop stars wouldn't throw subordinates under the bus?
        Did any other vessel.. go and take more protective equipment?
        No.
        The sailors ..just 'scrubbing bubbles' in a radioactive sea.
        Note all the concern from the Pentagon.
        They don't give a rats arse ..if are troops are in harm way.
        They serve AVARICE.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          They serve Commander Avarice.
          Avarice ..the mighty dollar.
          Wars all over the world.
          What hill did we take last?
          (we don't even care ..the MIC knows that)
          And for what?

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Typo ..if 'our' troops.
          The 'fireman's law'.. those sailors had no idea.
          Sure, they were manual fed about 'nuclear warfare', in which the enemy lobs a nuclear weapon, AND THEY TOOK PROPER PROCEDURE AND GEARED UP APPROPRIATELY.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhBTJZeI8zs

    A nuclear beach at 00:00

    at 10:47 – I think they are doing a remake of Devo's Working Man video! Not sure, can't understand Japanese

  • from a distance from a distance

    Lonnie Clark of the "Age of Fission" radio show interviews Dr. Caldicott!

    http://www.ucy.tv/Pages/Video/HIpcIJ3W8oc

  • from a distance from a distance

    Follow Marco Kaltofen on twitter

    https://twitter.com/mkaltofen

  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    There is a movement brewing to serve the needs of those that have lost loved ones, or about to lose themselves. It's called 'Death Cafes', where people meet to talk and share their experiences over food.

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/may/21/evening-at-new-york-death-cafe

    This is not a venue to promote an anti-nuclear agenda, but rather to sit and listen to others who are going through traumatic experiences involving death. As we move forward, there will be much more death, and if you have either lost someone special, are about to lose yourself, or just want to help, I suggest looking into helping to spread the concept into your neighborhood.

    http://www.meetup.com/Death-Cafe-New-York-City/

    If you know anyone associated with a local hospice, or grief counselor, please pass this on. There is only going to be more suffering and personal questioning going forward, and this may be an easier way for people to get support in a more comfortable setting.

    I would venture a guess that very soon most of us are going to need some help with these soul crushing issues we as a species are facing.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Mankind's technology has trampled natural biology so sufficiently, that one can not look at the benefits of fish, without looking at the lifestyle of the fish….

  • Angela_R

    I will again spell out for visiting readers who may be unaware:
    The article mentions cesium, cesium is an element. Cesium -137 is not an element, it is a radioactive isotope of cesium. Not all the isotopes of Cesium are of concern, but Cesium – 137 is one of the radioactive isotopes that are found after nuclear reactions.

    The severity of cesium-137's toxic, radioactive reactions were well illustrated by The Goiânia accident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident. Hopefully everyone reading this article is familiar with details provided in this link.

    • Angela_R

      cont.

      I have seen references to a procedure which uses cesium chloride and a report on work conducted by Nobel Prize Laureate, Dr. Otto Warburg.

      Dr. Warburg’s investigation was carried out over 75 years ago. At that point in time, the ELEMENT CAESIUM, would have been used. Today it appears that the radioactive isotope of caesium-137, is being substituted for the element, in the chemical compound called caesium chloride.

      • Angela_R

        and again:

        “This isotope of cesium can also be used to treat some kinds of cancer. One procedure is to fill a hollow steel needle with cesium-137. The needle can then be implanted into a person's body. The cesium-137 gives off radiation inside the body. That radiation kills cancer cells and may help cure the disease.”

        “ When a hollow steel needle filled with cesium-137 is implanted into a person's body, the isotopes's radiation can kill cancer cells”

        I note the proviso in the paragraph quoted above, i.e. it ‘may help cure the disease’. If injected, I assume the radioactive cesium-137 remains in the tissues. One can only wonder what happens to the good cells.
        http://www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/A-C/Cesium.html

        • Jebus Jebus

          The issue in any light is that the medical use of caesium isotopes to kill cancer cells, with a generous bystander effect, clearly and obviously shows it is one of the most efficient ways to internally irradiate someone with cell killing and maiming, ionizing radiation, because it is a potassium analog, and that the irreverent contamination of the planet with just caesium isotopes, let alone the rest of the elemental and isotope table, is detrimental to our species, not to mention the magnitude of damage to the "lessor" life forms on Earth…

        • They also used radium in the 'good ol days', until that was banned.

          There is no difference between radioactive radium, cesium, strontium and plutonium or any of the other radioactive poisons.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

        That isn't so. The cesium in cesium chloride is not radioactive. I posted that once and will look for the link.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

          Cesium Cancer Therapy
          “…The use of cesium chloride as cancer therapy sould not be confused with the use of radioactive cesium 137, an artificial isotope produced in nuclear reactors, as a radiation source in cancer radiotherapy. This is a medically endorsed procedure, but is unrelated to the biochemical properties of natural cesium 133. Cesium 137 is a strictly regulated radioisotope, and there is NO chance that you will accidently get some while trying to obtain cesium chloride….”
          https://www.cs.rochester.edu/~nelson/cesium/cesium_therapy.html

        • Angela_R

          "That isn't so. The cesium in cesium chloride is not radioactive"

          Check out the following:

          S"tatement Before NRC on Additional Requirements for Enhanced Security of CsCl Sources – 9/30/08
          Nuclear Regulatory Commission Public Meeting
          September 29-30, 2008
          Security and Continued Use of Cesium-137 Chloride Sources
          Issue 4 – Additional Requirements for Enhanced Security of CsCl sources"
          http://www.aabb.org/advocacy/statements/Pages/nrcstatementc093008.aspx

          • Angela_R

            and this:

            November 24, 2008 SECY-08-0184
            FOR: The Commissioners
            FROM: R.W. Borchardt
            Executive Director for Operations
            SUBJECT: STRATEGY FOR THE SECURITY AND USE OF CESIUM-137
            CHLORIDE SOURCES

            Within the summary the following appears:
            “CsCl sources with activity levels in IAEA Categories 1 and 2 (i.e., above 27 curies) are widely
            used in self-shielded irradiators in three major modes of application: blood sterilization,
            bio-medical research, and calibration. CsCl is used because of the properties of Cs-137,….”

            Read on:
            http://hps.org/govtrelations/documents/nrc_cscl-options_secy08-0184.pdf

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              There is cesium chloride, and there is cesium 137 chloride. Cesium 137 chloride is not available on the open market for a home remedy.

              There are dangers with taking non-radioactive cesium.
              http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1064-cesium.aspx?activeingredientid=1064&activeingredientname=cesium

              • Angela_R

                "There is cesium chloride, and there is cesium 137 chloride"

                Pt, I noted no difference was made, in either of the cited reports from the public enquiry, between cesium-137 chloride and cesium chloride.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  From Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center”
                  “…Cesium chloride, the non-radioactive salt…”
                  “…Cesium is an alkali metal that is stable in its natural form. The radioactive isoform (Cesium 137) is used in radiation therapy. Cesium chloride, the non-radioactive salt, is promoted as an alternative treatment, also known as “high pH therapy,” for cancer. This is based on the findings that cancer cells have an affinity for cesium ions (1). Proponents claim that the increased cellular pH following uptake of cesium prevents cancer cells from undergoing mitosis and neutralizes the toxic material present in them. But there are no data to substantiate these claims. According to a case series report, half of the patients with terminal cancers who used a cesium-based regimen survived after one year. However, one quarter of the patients died in the first two weeks which suggests that the treatment is highly toxic (2).

                  “Reported adverse effects of cesium chloride intake include syncope, hypokalemia, diarrhea, and ventricular tachycardia with prolonged QT interval (3) (4). No randomized clinical trials have been conducted using oral cesium chloride as a cancer treatment….”
                  https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrative-medicine/herbs/cesium-chloride

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  From one of your sources:
                  “…To provide a strategy, regulatory options, and a recommended option regarding the security and future use of cesium-137 chloride (CsCl) sources. This paper does not address any new commitments. …”
                  http://hps.org/govtrelations/documents/nrc_cscl-options_secy08-0184.pdf

                  Cesium chloride is non-radioactive. It can be enriched when it is then Cesium 137 chloride.

                  • Angela_R

                    Thank you PT for drawing my attention to that. However, that differential was made by the submitting PARTY, not by the NRC.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      Both NRC documents state that they are talking about Cesium 137 Chloride.

                      Cesoi, 137 is a very great hazard.

                      I, personally, will never use cesium or cesium 137 or any radiation therapy.

                    • Angela_R

                      And the cesium 137 used in the cesium chloride is radioactive.
                      That was the point I attempted to make in my 11.58pm post.

                      Extracts from “AAPM Survey of Users

                      19 The American Association of Physicists in Medicine (AAPM) conducted a survey of its
                      20 members in August to assess their experience with irradiators. The results of the survey
                      21 would be skewed toward hospital-based or university-based irradiators; however, for the
                      22 information gathered, that should not affect the conclusions. The survey, since it was
                      23 targeted at medical physicists and some health physicists, represents only a small part of
                      24 the irradiators in use. Of the 363 respondents, 297 had irradiators, 84.6% of those used
                      25 137Cs as the source, 9.3% used conventional x-ray units and 6% used medical linear
                      26 accelerators (linacs). The 137CsCl units represented the major vendors”

              • Angela_R

                "There are dangers with taking non-radioactive cesium."

                Personally, I always understood that there were far more dangers from taking cesium-137.

                Yet the link provided by you @ 12.13am from WebMD, could, imo, create considerable confusion

                The article itself is headed:
                Find a Vitamin or Supplement
                CESIUM
                Other Names:
                Atomic number 55, Caesium, Cesio, Césium, Cesium-137, Cesium Chloride, Chlorure de Césium, Cs, CsCl, High pH Therapy, Numéro Atomique 55, Traitement à pH "élevé

                Really? Other names for Cesium, include cesium-137, and cesium chloride!! ???
                But they are not the same.

    • Jebus Jebus

      Yes, the results are always the sum of the parts.

      Although the element is only mildly toxic, it is a hazardous material as a metal and its radioisotopes present a high health risk if released into the environment.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium

  • And boys should not make wax/feather wings and then fly too close to a source of ionizing radiation.

  • from a "true believer" on my article on Fluoridation of water.

    Oh give it a rest. Fluoridation of water is an essential means of improving quality of life. Get off your "nuclear is ruining my life" kick. – See more at: http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/05/fluoride-part-of-our-toxic-environment.html?showComment=1463859556716#c6874912543787298000

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Stock, here's some more on how fluoride got it's start http://www.ourinterestingworld.com/conspiracies/fluoride-scam

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        I can't copy anything from the article itself.

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        'before 1940 the only known use of fluoride was a rat and cockroach poison'

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

          “…fluoride was used in Nazi Concentration camps and the gulags in Siberia to make prisoners docile and easier to control. It is also absorbed through the skin when bathing, showering, or swimming in fluoridated water. You absorb through the tissues of your mouth when brushing your teeth. You don't have to swallow it. Cooking with fluoride in water concentrates it in food and beverages. You can't cook it out. Only 50% of it can be excretes by the body so it is a cumulative toxin leading to many health problems. Twenty-four studies have also shown it lowers IQ's in children.

          “In Kentucky, despite a 1977 fluoridation state-wide mandate, preschoolers cavity rates went from 28% in 1987 to 47% in 2001, according to the July/August 2003 journal, Pediatric Dentistry,

          “According to an 11/27/2011 news article, “In recent years, Northern Kentucky health officials have encountered more children with cavities in a state known for some of the worst teeth in the nation. Kentucky has the second highest rate of toothlessness in the U.S. The national average is 20.5 percent, while 38 percent of Kentuckians have lost their teeth.”
          http://fluoridedangers.blogspot.com/

          “What is put in tap water isn't pharmaceutical grade nor is it natural "calcium fluoride". It's a by-product of the fertilizer industry. Here's what is added to tap water. It is toxic. See below PDF's:
          http://www.wku.edu/msds/docs/6254.pdf
          http://www.mosaicco.com/images/Hydrofluo

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            “It's nothing more than toxic waste or pollution.

            “Studies by Drs. H.S. Brown, D.R. Bishop and C.A. Rowan in the early 1980s demonstrated that an average of 64% of the total dose of waterborne contaminants, such as fluoride, are absorbed through the skin. (American Journal of Public Health 1984; 74: 479-84) —Fluoride: Drinking Ourselves to Death, Barry Groves, pp. 275-265

            “A study by Professor Julian Andelman, Professor of Water Chemistry at the University of Pittsburg's Graduate School of Public Health, "found less chemical exposure from drinking the water than from using it to wash clothes or take a shower or a dip in the swimming pool". Every time you take a shower or go for a swim, you will be soaking it up. The percentage for skin absorption are as follows: Scalp – 32%, Ear Canal – 46%, Forehead – 36%, Plant of Foot – 13%, Forearm – 9%, Palm – 12%, Male Scrotum – 100%.

            “Dr. Dean Burk, Chief Chemist Emeritus of the National Cancer Institute published a paper in 1975 that detailed an increase in cancer deaths in fluoridated areas. According to Burk, "In point of fact, fluoride causes more cancer, and causes it faster, than any other chemical".

            “Fluoride is NOT essential. In 1979, the FDA required the deletion of all government references previously classifying fluoride as "essential or probably essential", (Federal Register, March 16, 1979, page 16006).

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

              “Robert Carton, PhD formerly President of the union of Government Scientists working at the US Environmental Protection Agency said: "Water fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time." In 1997, more than 1,000 members of this union working at USEPA HQ in Washington DC, who are directly responsible for the US Safe Drinking Water Act, voted UNANIMOUSLY to ban water fluoridation. Their bosses are not listening.

              “There is not a single scientific or laboratory study from anywhere in the world which proves that fluoridation reduces tooth decay in humans. There are, however, hundreds of published scientific papers which show that water fluoridation is dangerous to human, animal, plant and aquatic life, which is no surprise, since fluoride is more toxic than lead and only marginally less so than arsenic. (Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, 5th ed., Gosselin, et al, 1984.).

              "Fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, probably because of their capacity to modify the metabolism of cells by changing the permeability of the cell membrane and by inhibiting certain enzyme systems … The sources of fluorine intoxication are drinking water containing 1 ppm or more of fluorine, fluorine compounds used as insecticidal sprays for fruits and vegetables (cryolite and barium fluosilicate) and the mining and conversion of phosphate rock to superphosphate, which is used as fertilizer.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

            I think they are using hydrogen fluoride to put out fires.

            CSB Issues Urgent Recommendations to CITGO; Finds Inadequate Hydrogen Fluoride Water Mitigation System during Corpus Christi Refinery Fire Last July
            http://www.csb.gov/csb-issues-urgent-recommendations-to-citgo-finds-inadequate-hydrogen-fluoride-water-mitigation-system-during-corpus-christi-refinery-fire-last-july/

          • aunavoz

            Besides a blog site .. you got any peer reviewed sources for.the.Nazi reference Anne?

            I think it's a crock concocted by wild conspiracy theorists.

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/dec/08/jesse-ventura/jesse-ventura-says-nazis-pioneered-use-fluoridated/

            • aunavoz

              http://m.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/water-fluoridation-and-cancer-risk

              .. I don't even know what to say when this forum gets off on some of the wildest conspiracy theories I have ever heard ..

              I suppose that is the breadwinner now ..

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                "…’I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years` research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine–any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically.’ CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954….”
                http://rense.com/general79/hd3.htm

                • aunavoz

                  Anne .. your peer reviewed evidence of a Nazi connection is .. Rense.

                  Ok .. I feel like I am in a twilight zone script.

                  You can stop flooding the thread .. it makes me feel nauseous to continue this course here.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    The Germans didn't publish their inhumane medical experiments in peer reviewed scientific articles in the 1920s and 1930s. Rense is merely repeating what is reported elsewhere. The Germans also experimented with radar, nuclear fission, and the use of gas to exterminate millions.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      For use of chemical weapons used in WWI, see:
                      “…The most widely reported and, perhaps, the most effective gas of the First World War was mustard gas. It was a vesicant that was introduced by Germany in July 1917 prior to the Third Battle of Ypres.[6] The Germans marked their shells yellow for mustard gas and green for chlorine and phosgene; hence they called the new gas Yellow Cross. It was known to the British as HS (Hun Stuff), while the French called it Yperite (named after Ypres).[33]…”
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      FLUORIDE, TEETH, AND THE ATOMIC BOMB

                      By Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson
                      http://www.fluoridation.com/atomicbomb.htm

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    Fluoridation: Mind Control of the Masses
                    “Extracted from his self-published booklet "The Dickinson Statement: A Mind-Boggling Thesis" published in NEXUS magazine August-September 1995 issue….
                    “…In a letter abstracted from Fluoridation and Lawlessness (published by the Committee for Mental Health and National Security) to the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on 2nd October 1954, a Charles Eliot Perkins, scientist and author of Washington DC, and one must assume, that same Charles Eliot Perkins of the "Dickinson Statement" to the Victorian Parliament, said this (and the words of the last two lines of the second paragraph cannot be overemphasized):

                    "’We are told by the fanatical ideologists who are advocating the fluoridation of the water supplies in this country that their purpose is to reduce the incidence of tooth decay in children, and it is the plausibility of this excuse, plus the gullibility of the public and the cupidity of public officials that is responsible for the present spread of artificial water fluoridation in this country.

                    "’However – and I want to make this very definite and positive – the real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason, there are many ways in which it could be done which are much easier, cheaper and far more effective.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty…

                      "’When the Nazis, under Hitler, decided to go into Poland… the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans and personnel and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to Communize the world…

                      "’I say this in all earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years research into the chemistry, bio-chemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine: any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.’…"
                      http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_fluor06.htm

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                      "…At the end of World War II, Charles Elliot Perkins, a researcher in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology, and pathology, was sent to Germany to take charge of their chemical plants. He later wrote in response to what he had seen and heard while there…
                      http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/08/22/fluoride-affects-consciousness-will-act/

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                    Chemical Weapons and/or their Precursors
                    Fluorinated and Fluoride Pesticides
                    “Chemical Weapons Precursors for the production of sarin-family nerve agents
                    “List (Precursors):
                    Hydrogen fluoride (7664-39-3)
                    Potassium fluoride (7789-23-3)
                    Ammonium bifluoride (1341-49-7)
                    Sodium bifluoride (1333-83-1)
                    Sodium fluoride (7681-49-4)
                    Potassium bifluoride (7789-29-9)
                    Fluorine (7782-41-4)
                    https://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/pesticides/effects.chem.weapon.precurs.htm

                    For fluoride derived from fluorine see:
                    http://chemistry.about.com/b/2013/12/29/the-difference-between-fluorine-and-fluoride.htm

                  • aunavoz

                    http://www.alternet.org/media/meet-jeff-rense-velvet-voice-conspiracy-theory-radio

                    Follow the money .. as you all often say ..

                    I do agree.that there are controversial issues related to fluoridation ..

                    I very vehemently disagree that the rense show is a source of any authority ..

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  FLUORIDE "amounts to public murder on a grand scale" Dr Dean Burk National Cancer Institute
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzgKA5zMitQ

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                The Fluoride Deception: How a Nuclear Waste Byproduct Made Its Way Into the Nation's Drinking Water
                http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/17/the_fluoride_deception_how_a_nuclear

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                Nazi Connections To Flouride In America’s Drinking Water
                “Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it.”
                – Adolf Hitler
                “Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century.”
                – Robert Carlton, Ph.D, former EPA scientist, 1992
                “The history of forcing fluoride on humans through the fluoridation of drinking water is wrought with lies, greed and deception. Governments that add fluoride to drinking water supplies insist that it is safe, beneficial and necessary, however, scientific evidence shows that fluoride is not safe to ingest and areas that fluoridate their drinking water supplies have higher rates of cavities, cancer, dental fluorosis, osteoporosis and other health problems. Because of the push from the aluminum industry, pharmaceutical companies and weapons manufacturers, fluoride continues to be added to water supplies all over North America and due to recent legal actions against water companies that fluoridate drinking water supplies, precedent has been set that will make it impossible for suits to be filed against water suppliers that fluoridate. There is a growing resistance against adding toxic fluoride to our water supplies, but unfortunately, because fluoride has become “the lifeblood of the modern industrial economy”(Bryson 2004), there is too much money at stake for those who endorse water fluoridation .

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingJesus

                  The lies of the benefits of water fluoridation will continue to be fed to the public, not to encourage health benefits to a large number of people, but to profit the military-industrial complex.
                  “The story begins in 1924, when Interessen Gemeinschaft Farben (I.G. Farben), a German chemical manufacturing company, began receiving loans from American bankers, gradually leading to the creation of the huge I.G. Farben cartel. In 1928 Henry Ford and American Standard Oil Company (The Rockefellers) merged their assets with I.G. Farben, and by the early thirties, there were more than a hundred American corporations which had subsidiaries and co-operative understandings in Germany. The I.G. Farben assets in America were controlled by a holding Company, American I.G. Farben, which listed on it’s board of directors: Edsel Ford, President of the Ford Motor Company, Chas. E. Mitchell, President of Rockerfeller’s National City Bank of New York, Walter Teagle, President of Standard Oil New York, Paul Warburg, Chairman of the federal reserve and brother of Max Warburg, financier of Germany’s War effort, Herman Metz, a director of the Bank of Manhattan, controlled by the Warburgs, and a number of other members, three of which were tried and convicted as German war criminals for their crimes against humanity.

              • DUDe DUD

                If you would go back in time and show them what we done to the planet and say..write a explanation to get there from where you are now..i doubt they could envision the inventions we made to gain so much destructif power..and the absolute insanity we demonstrated by actually using it/attacking nature and its precious balance with it..but every step of the way those that warned and objected were called alarmist and conspiracist amongst many other things..hmm

              • Other research resurfaced by Dr. Dean Burk, former chief of cytochemistry at the National Cancer Institute for 30 years, also shows that fluoride increases the cancer death rate. Dr Burk refers to a study conducted which compares the 10 largest U.S. cities with fluoridation and the 10 largest without. What researchers found was that following fluoridation, deaths from cancer went up immediately- in as little as a year.
                Video; https://youtu.be/ClqK7XvfLg0 7 min.

      • Dr. Joey Hensley MD Calls Flouride A Harmful Toxin, Calls For Removal From Drinking Water
        http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/flouride-harmful-toxin-or-healthy.html

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        'Before 1940, health people were trying to remove fluoride from water because it was destroying teeth…the fewer cavities in high fluoride areas was due to there being fewer teeth' not verbatim but U get the idea 🙂

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Informative comments there, here's one:
      "Kevin on March 14, 2011 11:59 PM
      the critical fact is that Plutonium is staggeringly toxic – 50 picograms per kilo LD30 in mice after 30 days according to my 1980 "A" level databook, though strangely this figure is missing in more recent student material.
      there is a case to include it in nuclear fuel in order to "rot it down" into less toxic and shorter lived isotopes, but BNFL, the proponents of MOX fuel are doing this basically as a fig leaf to get rid of unwanted "wrong isotope" plutonium produced during reprocessing for the "good" bomb stuff. IMO we should not reprocess due to toxicity risk. we should run uranium fuel for maximum cycle time and then bury it. until N-power is decoupled from N-weapon production we will never have public support for what is essentially one of the very few truly carbon-free power technologies. Plutonium refinement brings in too much risk both of poisoning and proliferation, and puts N-spooks in charge of the released data."

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-09/india-cuts-monsanto-modified-cotton-seed-royalty-fees-by-70

    Cottonseed oil in your food… what if people develop an allergic reaction to bt? It's in your clothes and food… be a tough problem.

    GMO fish… how long till there's a GMO armed fish agent on every boat? Testing every fish for patent violations?

    When they figure out how to make the human body resist virus without vaccines, will you be able to reproduce with out paying royalties?

    Will you yourself become a GMO ? No longer human?

  • from a distance from a distance

    150 scientists had a secret meeting at Harvard to discuss "creating a synthetic human genome, or essentially constructing human life from scratch with chemicals"

    Do you think this has anything to do with radioisotopes from atomic tests, nuclear energy, nuclear meltdowns irreparably damaging human DNA?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/14/harvards-secret-meeting-on-synthetic-human-genome-fuels-debate.html

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes! More complicated scenario I am sure…

    Wouldn't that be something like Hitler's supreme race?

  • What the Gundersons said is quite misleading. Yes, plutonium is produced inside a reactor core. But sources of plutonium at Fukushima include the cores AND the spent fuel bundles stored outside the cores. The point is the plutonium found beyond the site boundaries could have come from either one of the cores or one of the spent fuel pools.

  • from a distance from a distance

    @thedavidcrosby put it very succinctly when he tweeted this :

    " So
    One more time
    Nukes are very bad because
    Nowhere to put waste
    Humans make mistakes
    Earthquakes can knock down anything "

    https://twitter.com/thedavidcrosby/status/731926080546734081

    • Sol Man

      This is unpossible because the ge engineers called for bigger steel reinforced many feet of concrete thick walls to withstand the pressure of almost anything in order to assure the fools that the whole shebang is absolutely impervious to any kind of destructive elephants, uh elements, that men or gods could throw at it.

      But, in the final analysis, until the next one, those huge solid things are just compressed dust and back to dust-dust they can be made to go rather quickly in spite of the best laid plans of mice and toadies onward to the next taxpayer funded ponzi into perpetuity until everything has been made dead!

      Wizbang
      Shebang
      Bangbang
      Got Death?

      • razzz razzz

        Actually everyone at GE knew that the Mark 1 was a bad design, could not possibly contain offgassing from a meltdown. They knew that and built the reactors anyway. They were relying on some theory of a meltdown only occurring every 1,000 or 10,000 years or whatever. Now we have had 4 melt-outs in what? A 30 year time span? 4 admitted to.

        Spent fuel was left for government(s) to worry about. Radioactive wastes more dangerous than working reactors or nuke bombs for that matter.

  • "We are capable of suffering with our world, and that is the true meaning of compassion. It enables us to recognize our profound interconnectedness with all beings. Don't ever apologize for crying for the trees burning in the Amazon or over the waters polluted from mines in the Rockies. Don't apologize for the sorrow, grief, and rage you feel. It is a measure of your humanity and your maturity. It is a measure of your open heart, and as your heart breaks open there will be room for the world to heal. That is what is happening as we see people honestly confronting the sorrows of our time."

    —Joanna Macy

    An excerpt from World as Lover, World as Self, Joanna Macy, 1991. via Films For Action, http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-greening-of-the-self

    • DUDe DUD

      Healing togheter with the planet..is what humanity needs to make happen indeed..but it gets harder everyday to keep believing its possible..and its not the Earth i have doubts about..:(

      • DUDe DUD

        As long as humanity behaves as if the planet purpose of existence circkles around its subspecies sub-buble of disconnectedness..its limited "socio systems" (a joke of a succeeding groupcontrol by education and opbringing fraud , election fraud , addiction to hypnosy gadgets triggering , desentisizing for fading of awareness and connection, numbness and straight overpower..abuse , lets not forget the ratcing.. what place that fills in , what focus it takes away etc..i tell you most longterm indigeous people did/do not have that much distraction..or live solely to make other richer , failing by extinction in the end because of the wrong basic motive that keeps it spinning wrongly in the natural balance) and sub-buble "economy" , also pyramid fraud system to make omnipotent rich omnipotent richer and politicans for sale or otherwise "owned"..the rest must swim upstream in to what "trickles down" or bottoms out of existence..all the time..the rest comes a bit later by extinction aka collapse of the mandatory lifeconditions on this planet..that is the system every human soul is a part of now and the "buble" we find so amazing to stare at it from a certain controlled distance..that we cant see the horror occure outside our buble..right on the border of an absolute interconnected with us fractal/vendiagram/absolute matrix/buble..the collapsing house around us bubling.. staring..blindly..selfobsessed thinking the world has to do its job of infinity..

  • DUDe DUD

    Naturally..Our cultural "buble" is not supposed to be a blindfold to disconnect..according to Darwin more like a system that reflects the need for life to aim for sustainability i would expect..who needs robots when you have the human species lol..blindfolded staring at their own demise collapsing in on them whilest causing it..and all they see is a somewhat distorted "perfect selfimage" reflection of themselfeves..and they are to scared to move on, to open their eyes better..too addicted to help it.. to disconnected to compute..

    • DUDe DUD

      We are having a Stockholm Symdrom with ourselves..dont know if thats a good thing..lots of denying in there..in the collapsing mandatory conditions for life on this planet..

      • Sol Man

        It is certainly a very bad thing, to be held hostage by delusions of grandeur of the great grand ponzis with hollow men and women speaking words laying down the law shaking their pointy fingers saying the people must pay forever with their moneys, energy, time and health for the systems that that their owners have created for all to suffer by.

        Here we live in the world that is so poisoned that the life force is having a very difficult time being manifested through beautiful birth.

        • Gasser Gasser

          ~Gasser Classic~

          Heart Break Hotel

          ~~~~~~~~~~~

          Well, since my Sr 90 heart failed me,
I found a new place to dwell.
          
It's down at the end of a lonely street
at the Hospital from Hell.

          You've made me so slowly lately,
I get so slowly,
          
I get so slow—-I could die.

          And although it's always crowded,
you may not find some room.
          
Where Strontium 90 broken hearted brothers

          do cry away their gloom.

          You make many slow babies,
          
They get so slow,

          They get so slowly—-their gonna die.

          Well, the Hospitals money keeps flowin',

          and the desk clerk's dressed in Hazzmatt black.

          
Well they been so long on Fukushima's ELE street
          
They ain't ever gonna look Nuclear back.

          You make so many deformed babies,

          The Worlds so lonely,

          We'll get so lonely—-we will die.

          Hey now—-if your life leaves you,

          and you got no more Nuclear tales to tell.

          
You just walked down a Radioactive street
          
Into Strontium 90's Heart hole making Hell.

          We got so many Radioactive babies
          Were all gonna die

          • DUDe DUD

            Another sub-buble heading for automated perfection in disconnected absurdity..the 12 million whales and dolphins allowed to be murdered by the navy will be pleased with the level of sophistication used to whipe them out..always remember..every single one of those expanding networks or clouds that is allowed to organise "itself"..like facebook and internet and all your smartphone actions and all your digitalised data combined with all others..all the banks..all the policeforces data..all surveillance..taxes..shopping..online opinions..travels..army data..mind control..school results..all your ancestors data..political data..psychological profiles..dna data..the whole economy..
            All will get their own quantumcomputer with AI..and all will be combined eventually..

            "….Forget Facebook, Navy reveals 'kill web' to share data between warships, smart missiles and soldiers

            All Domain Offensive Surface Warfare Capability will tie together all data Cloud system will make data more easily available to Navy personnel Will share data from everything from space probes to undersea monitors

            Its the 'social network for war'.

            The US Navy has revealed plans for a highly secure cloud-based 'kill web' to link together its intelligence systems and smart weapons.
            The 'All Domain Offensive Surface Warfare Capability' will carry targeting information from satellites, aircraft, ships, submarines and weapons themselves…"

            Where is the living planet in all of this..???

  • razzz razzz

    It is amazing that the overpressure in a melting down core within a Mark 1 design has various weak points to vent (leak and escape) through. First is a failing seal between lid and reactor vessel followed by a failing seal between lid and primary containment vessel. These are normally steam and hydrogen main escape paths during a initial meltdown.

    No telling what other vent pathways are available after an earthquake. Even pressure relief valves that could not be opened at Daiichi, are set to high to avoid keeping the lid seal from leaking. Besides, the design is meant to force overpressure through torus water for scrubbing before release or reuse after cooling.

    Even with known weak and leaking areas, pressure can continue to build up because containment is built rather robustly and holds the ever mounting heat and pressure. It is more like a bomb in the making because of hydrogen compressing before it is lit off eventually causing containment(s) failure.

    Apparently Unit 2 leaked enough through the missing blowout side panel to avoid loading the building (secondary containment) with compressed hydrogen gas. Units 1&2 didn't have that luxury.

    Still, from what I have read, a melting core explodes out the bottom of a reactor vessel when heat causes the bottom to fail with an assist of built up pressure, all at once into the pedestal area which normally would be dry. From there, primary containment can catastrophically fail.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Facts about the Fukushima nuclear disaster triggered by a powerful earthquake kept emerging over the past five years after the mishap took place, revealing the real face of the disaster.

    In front of the local government of Iidate Village in Japan's Fukushima Prefecture, there stands a sharp radiation measuring device. On its spotless dashboard jumps a red number: 0.38 microsieverts/hour.

    The spot is about 40 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant which was crippled by the monstrous quake-triggered tsunami in March 2011.

    However, volunteer Yoichi Tao who majored in physics said the figure of radiation on their own device is 8 to 10 times of the official one.

    According to Tao, the government dispatched the military to wipe out the nearby nuclear radiation on the ground in advance, so the official figure looks very low. "That's how the government did it," he said."

    Truths covered about Fukushima surface over five years
    May 23 2016

    http://africa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-05/23/content_25422113.htm

    Purposeful deception.
    Crimes Against Humanity

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "The selective amnesia over a disaster out of political or any other purposes is even more terrifying than the disaster itself. Tokyo owes an explanation to the world."

    Opinion: Tokyo's handling of Fukushima aftermath lacks responsibility
    May 23 2016

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/23/c_135381193.htm

    Yes.. I find it almost more terrorizing as well.
    Along with the GMI. (global mass insanity).

    Terrorizing ..but only to a point.
    Otherwise it's 'face the tiger without change of breathe'.
    Terror would serve their purposes.

    • DUDe DUD

      "..Opinion: Tokyo's handling of Fukushima aftermath lacks responsibility.."

      Hi Heart , i dont think that observation about the nuclear industry's lacking of responsibility is limited to that particle of time..to put it mildly..

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The children always suffer worst.
    The rate of children suffering from thyroid cancer in Fukushima Prefecture was as much as 20 to 50 times higher than the national average as of 2014, three years after the disaster, said Toshihide Tsuda, professor of environmental epidemiology at Okayama University.

    More than 160 teenagers in Fukushima Prefecture had been diagnosed with thyroid cancer, including suspect cases, since the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was crippled by the monstrous quake-triggered tsunami in March 2011.

    The number almost certainly increased with the passage of time, according to Tsuda's findings published in the electronic edition of the journal of the International Society for Environmental Epidemiology (ISEE) late last year."

    Children near Fukushima more likely to suffer from thyroid cancer
    May 23 2016

    http://www.ecns.cn/2016/05-23/211574.shtml

    It's up against national average, which will also rise eventually in proportion and Fukushima will remain high in ratio.

    On the fifth anniversary of the Fukushima nuclear crisis, the parents of the children thyroid cancer sufferers in Fukushima formed a mutual help group to demand the government provide convincing evidence that their children's sufferings were not related to the nuclear crisis.

    The ISEE has sent a message to the Japanese government suggesting it to conduct detailed and continuous research on residents' health in Fukushima, but the government did not respond to the…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    (cont.) .."advice, Tsuda said."

    Children near Fukushima more likely to suffer from thyroid cancer
    May 23 2016

    http://www.ecns.cn/2016/05-23/211574.shtml

    The Fukushima results are up against 'national average', which will also increase in proportion, Fukushima will remain high or become higher in ratio.

  • from a distance from a distance

    This is very sad news.

    Anti-nuclear activist Michael Mariotte has passed away from pancreatic cancer.

    Mr. Mariotte was a former director of NIRS and wrote excellent work on the blog "Green World" https://safeenergy.org/

    Sincere condolences to his friends and family.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/michael-mariotte-no-nukes-activist-and-punk-band-drummer-dies-at-63/2016/05/21/7fbf12f4-1d19-11e6-9c81-4be1c14fb8c8_story.html

  • from a distance from a distance

    Read this article

    'Sick worker: ‘Hanford ruined my life'

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/investigations/sick-worker-hanford-ruined-my-life/205663058

    Listen to this interview on Hanford

    " How bad is the radioactive threat of the Hanford Site in SE Washington State? Learn the facts, worthy of a Halloween horror house, from attorney Gerry Pollet, Executive Director of Heart of America Northwest, a 16,000 member citizens’ watchdog group for the cleanup of Hanford. "

    http://www.ucy.tv/Pages/Video/ccpOVVgzh-w

  • Thought of the day: How far had USA fallen when we must resort to Russian research to get real information on radiation, i.e. Chiton

    2nd thought….Russia really does have world class science.

  • Nick

    "fukushima has wiped out the ozone over the pacific, killing all sorts of life, which basically threatens to wipe out , to end life , they may have created the first dead ocean. it’s really time for the japanese govt to fess up what they’ve been doing.."

    https://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/urgent-msg/

  • Nick

    "The reason for official reluctance to admit that the earthquake did direct structural damage to reactor one is obvious. Onda Katsunobu, author ofTEPCO: The Dark Empire who sounded the alarm about the firm in his book (2007) explains it this way:

    “If TEPCO and the government of Japan admit an earthquake can do direct damage to the reactor, this raises suspicions about the safety of every reactor they run. They are using a number of antiquated reactors that have the same systemic problems, the same wear and tear on the piping.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/12/tepcos-darkest-secret/

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