Nuclear Engineer: It’s a little alerting to see this many articles downplaying Fukushima health effects — You have to think, why is this happening? — Are they going to walk away from reactors and say sorry, there’s nothing we can do? (VIDEO)

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Chris Harris, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator and engineer, Jan. 16, 2014 (at 21:30 in):

This is not the first time I’ve seen an article lately about downplaying the health effects that we’re seeing due to any kind of elevated radiation that is coming from Fukushima, or from other sources that I’m not aware of. The whole problem is — it’s not that this [by itself] is a problem — the problem is, I’m seeing more and more of these kind of articles coming out […]

I think there’s misleading on both sides. It’s a little alerting when you start seeing many articles coming out downplaying the health effects. You have to kind of think, ‘Why is this happening?’ I’m wondering, is it because someone is going to start saying that there’s really nothing that they can do?

Maybe Tepco is saying that, especially since Tepco last week decided to change the name of their company and start going into the buying and selling of electrical generation. […] Remember, a long time ago I said I wouldn’t be surprised if Tepco got up and walked away from the mess saying, ‘Sorry guys, there’s nothing we can do, see you later.’

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  • soern

    If Mr. Harris critizises more and more upcoming downplaying articles related on radiation effects, this surely means something.
    New for me is the 3rd part, TEPCO'd change name and mission.
    Very interesting indeed. :-(


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      @soern: they put the name-change proposition out there, about two weeks ago. They're claiming it'll facilitate their acceptance as managers of other nuke facilities, around Japan. Hey! Why stop there?! America could do with some of TEPCO's 'expertise'.

      Coming back to earth. I'm glad Harris is putting these disparate incidents together. His inquiry hints (amongst other things) that there's major panic occurring behind the pro-nuke scene; that they see the need for a concerted propaganda campaign. Harris is obviously a genuine thinker. Hat's off to him for ringing the bell…


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      • dosdos dosdos

        Actually, immediately after 3/11, TEPCO pulled out of the proposed construction of South Texas Nuclear units 3 & 4, which were in ground preparation stage (bulldozing). They no longer could afford the billions from their usual profits, having to put it into Japan's disaster. The loss of funding on the project meant that the project fell through. There is a silver lining in every disaster.


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      • They might need that expertise soon, especially with the s-word in play: "stable":

        Alert declared after smoke detected at Harris Nuclear Power Plant – http://goo.gl/news/tfPX

        "Officials exited the alert at 3:51 p.m. and said the plant is currently offline and in stable condition."


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      • humptydumpty

        I propose they change their name from TEPCO to FUKUPY.


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      • razzz razzz

        TEPCO is 1/3 owned by the Japanese government by decree, a very active form of Socialism, as the Japanese government holds partial ownership in all Japanese corporations. Anyway, bonds are sold to finance their nuclear industry but Daiichi's meltouts and the shutting down of all Japanese nuke plants caused a meltdown in foreign investors enthusiasm.

        Painting a happy face on the situation with winning the Olympic Games and selling some other earthquake prone country some Japanese built reactors is an attempt to not end up like Russia going into the fetal position after Chernobyl.

        Spinning off Daiichi as a separate entity is a way of hiding losses on that bad balance sheet while profits can be shown on supposed money making operations elsewhere in the power generating industry, whether nuke or conventionally powered. This works temporarily until rate and tax payers can't burden the load any further (think Old Russia).

        In the meantime, like a newly formed limited liability corporation, any pending Daiichi lawsuits or incurred liabilities can't be paid in full if you are in Kabuki bankruptcy. Like in the US, try going after the parent company…good luck or try suing the government…good luck.

        This is how it was done, newly Ambassador Kennedy and staff held meetings to instruct the Japanese in the fine art of advanced Kabuki for lying, cheating, non-responsibility and continued unadulterated theft and murder including outlining the 'Secrets Act'.


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    • US Medical Doctor Finds Elevated Levels Of Fukushima Radioactive Cesium 137 In Urine Of Patient; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/01/us-medical-doctor-finds-elevated-levels.html

      Polonium 210 Radioactive Alpha Emittter – Widely Used In Government Assassinations Such As Arafat; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/10/polonium-210-radioactive-alpha-emittter.html


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Dr. G…I couldn't help but chuckle that the first video linked, the guys last name was "Trolz". Scary stuff is here, and more to come it seems. Someone also mentioned on a radio show that a hair strand test would show exposure.


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        • Teeth and hair record heavy metal exposure, and can be saved to test down the road.

          Most hair analysis firms do not look specifically for cesium, uranium, strontium, and other radioactive elements, but theoretically, it should be possible to find these via a hair analysis.

          It would be nice if the nuclear industry were paid to perform this testing, but don't hold your breath.


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  • johnnyo

    ……….

    downplay disaster
    can you call it a "plume" with
    no end in sight?


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  • We Not They Finally

    If someone mowed down a bunch of school kids with machine guns, and then just said, there is nothing we can do, the kids are all dead, would the law not operate THEN?

    How twisted is it that the TEPCO people aren't all long since dragged to The Haag?


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    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Prove it! That is their 'holy grail' of BS.
      They:
      Shoot invisible bullets with no intended target.
      Claim no one was hit.
      Deny everything, wait, time is in their favor.
      Everything is in their favor.
      You can die from:
      Accidents
      Illness
      Heredity
      Poor Lifestyle choice—one of their favorites

      If you die, from an invisible wound, be it directly or indirect, in 1,5,50 years, you will have to prove they did it.
      Time is in their favor, and they delight in knowing that.
      You can tell by the cagey, slippery shit way they act and speak.
      They are masters of time-delay-death.

      They are murders none the less. I wish them the worst.


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    • Abusers ALWAYS blame the victims… and often get away with it.. walking away scott free.


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    • D'un Renard
      !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
      From Facebook Rainbow Warrior group; Our friend and admin Citizen Perth, living in Australia, hosting the great blog "Fukushima Emergency what can we do?" on his independent server at home is under attack!

      He and his wife have received death threats coming from Japan, where the people knew their true names and their home adress, his wife had to go away in a safe place, while he is now at home under police protection.

      This news to remind you that the nuke business is not only lethal to people, it is a multibillion dollar business run by criminals who are ready to do anything to silence the truth.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    ‘Sorry guys, there’s nothing we can do, see you later.’ And meet where, in Hell? When nearly 3.6 billion people under 30 get the full impact. Yep hell.


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  • Yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is illegal for obvious reasons.

    NOT yelling "Fire" when there is one, is criminal negligence.

    Downplaying the affects, in any way and for any reason, of Fukushima on our global ecosystems and health is deplorable.

    Of course if you turn your head, close your eyes and ignore the fire (radiation contamination spreading and accumulating) and pretend it's all okay.

    Q: What is that?
    A: Page 1 of the Nuclear Industry Playbook Manual.
    (note: there is no page 2) ;)


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  • GOM GOM

    'No one is stirring not even a mouse', since late December. The whole gamma-ray-haze-man-made-death-star-thing? Yeah, the plant has been abandoned..


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  • Daisy207

    A Little off subject – but what is going on with the earth quake swarm in Puerto Rico (deep quakes) and shallow ones directly east of it on the mid atlantic ridge. This is not magma chamber movement – but plate movement at that depth. A big one there could set off an east coast tsunami.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      The Atlantic ridge is a 'spreading zone' Daisy, and while they can produce tsunami it's a lot less likely than the other types of plate boundaries.

      The activity that's occurring there is most likely in response to the tectonic activity in the Caribbean, which I've always felt was connected to the mid-Atlantic ridge by a hidden fault line.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      …That being said Daisy, the earth seems to be in the process of rewriting the rule book as to what can happen, and where.


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    • razzz razzz

      You might also consider the recent San Salvador Chaparrastique(?) volcano eruption in Dec. '13. Like Japan's volcanoes, it sits back and away from major fault lines. Deep friction and compression of earth's moving plates creates heat to melt rock into magma and has to release somewhere. Who's to say it happens before or after a quake event.


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  • WesternKyMan

    Tritium… what you need to know.

    Tritium is one of the byproducts produced by nuclear fission.
    It has a half-life of a little over 12 years, and a biological half-life of 7-14 days.
    (Biological half-life is the time a radionuclide stays in your body)
    Tritium likes to bind with water which sounds like a good thing but isn’t when we observe the facts.
    When Tritium binds with water, it replaces the hydrogen molecules with tritium molecules creating what is known a Tritiated water….. it’s still radioactive none the less.

    Strontium 90… what you need to know

    Is also a byproduct of nuclear fission, one of the most prevalent radionuclides that is created during weapons testing. It is also a byproduct of nuclear power plant accidents.
    It has a half-life of 29 years. It’s biological half-life has been estimated at 18 years.
    Strontium 90 exhibits biochemical behavior similar to calcium. Because of this, Strontium 90 has the nickname “The Boneseeker”. It loves to settle in the bones and teeth after ingestion.

    Strontium 90 is a nasty little radionuclide in that since it has such a long biological half-life, whatever is not secreted by your body (approx 20% stays in the human body after ingestion) for a long long time happily blasting nearby cells with radiation.

    I love facts…… I can keep finding them all day long when it come to Fukushima.

    When a pro-nukers go on the attack, beat them down something called a "fact" lol (I might make that my new…


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      excellent post, WesternKyMan. It illuminates another thread [see below link]. I'm curious if you know how long you have to let water stand, before it's safe to drink? You hint that 7-14 days is required for what you refer to as the "biological half-life", before it's safe to drink. I don't want to make such assumption from your words, so I'm hoping you can develop this issue in greater detail.

      http://enenews.com/forum-best-practices-combating-effects-radiation/comment-page-12#comment-455214


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      • Tritiated water is not safe to drink no matter how long you let it stand. The biological half-life is just how long a given amount of tritium stays in your body before half has decayed or been replaced by other water.


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      • WesternKyMan

        The biological half-life only pertains to the time a radionculcide stays in your until it passed through urine or feces. You might pass that Tritium atom in 7-14 days from your body,,, but is going to stay around the environment decades.


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        • SadieDog

          The biological half-life or elimination half-life of a substance is the time it takes for a substance (for example a metabolite, drug, signalling molecule, radioactive nuclide, or other substance) to lose half of its pharmacologic, physiologic, or radiologic activity, as per the MeSH definition.


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    • GOM GOM

      Ky. I needed that info. In laymans terms. Where I can understand it. Thanks.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        actually GOM, he's being as clear as he can be, for this audience…


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        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Hey! I got me a third grade edumacashun ya no.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            I was being kind, SykeWar…


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          • GOM GOM

            SYKE: Actually, I have a 4 year degree in Nursing with a side of Environmental Pollution. Dab in such things as forest fragmentation and anthropogenic pollution. I have no need for any of it here. I just wanted to learn about nuclear and shoot the shit. Lots of good minds come together on this site. But I am seeing a dark side. To offend someone for no good reason is a sign of personal problems. I am attacked for nothing more than my opinion, or maybe an error. Often my questions seem silly, but I like to learn. Not be ridiculed for my lack of knowledge on a given subject. We all bicker. It's human nature. We all get tired and make mistakes. It's OK. But you are out of line. And this is getting old..


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        • WesternKyMan

          Actually my views are very middle of the road on Fukushima… I do not agree with people who claim it's the end of the world nor do I do I agree with the people who claim its harmless and is only going to affect the local population.

          I post a lot on a another message board and I have to continually compete with those who think that Fukushima is being overblown.

          So I started doing my own research and that led me to trying to tell people whats going on based on facts… not conjecture from the scientists of your choice… learn what I can on my own and form my own opinions so to speak.

          I am not a a brainiac by any sense of the word, it's just when I see false information being put out by either side, I try my best to correct it with facts.


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          • WesternKyMan

            on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1=Fukushima is harmless to everyone except the local populatiom and 10= Oh my God, We are going to die in a year.

            I would currently put myself at 6. It was 5, neutral, but the more and more I research fukushima and radiaition,, it slowly moved to a 6.

            There are just too many unknowns to arrive at a solid conclusion.


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            • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

              WesternKyMan…

              Well…we are in the same boat.

              The scary thing is working up a worse case scenerio…

              trying to work up a worse case scenerio…

              constantly changing, only in a bad way, the WC scenerio.

              It's hard to be at any number, but 10 works for me.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              reasonable thoughts, WesternKyMan. As I've been frequently this site since early on, my 'anxiety' level has been at an eight for-about the last two years. With the latest revelations to massive die-offs of sea life, my 'intuitive' suspicions are regrettably being confirmed. That's not to say that either of us is correct in our measurements, as the paucity of 'official' disclaimers and conflicting reports leave much to the 'imagination'. As such, we could not be held to account if we're off a point or two…


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            • razzz razzz

              WesternKyMan: Compared to what? Playing the percentages?


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            • humptydumpty

              You are basing the severity of your rating on the short term danger to you, instead of considering the long term damage to the habitability of the one place we all call home. You are also ignoring the likely damage to the gene pool, not only human but all other life forms. When you look at photos of deformed Chernobyl babies and the videos of the disabled children, and then realize that Fukushima's ongoing release of harmful radiation is many many times worse than Chernobyl…now what is your conclusion?


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          • After studying Fukushima for 2 1/2 years and writing a book about the disaster I've concluded that no one, and I mean no one, knows what the effects are going to be for the following reasons:

            1. There is no way to know how much fuel has gone into the soil, atmosphere, ocean and the fresh water aquifer, although some top authorities may have a rough idea. All the rest of us can do is guess.

            My estimate is that most of the fuel in reactors 1-3 has dispersed, although much of it may be under the plant, dispersing out into the ocean via the underground river running through the site. I also think there have been fires in spent fuel pools 3 and 4. Its possible that reactors 5 and 6 have also had fires based on webcam data. Additional contamination may be coming from clandestine activity at the site and from other the 14 other nuclear sites in Japan were damaged by the earthquake.

            The level of contamination is high. Its hard to know how high.

            2. The second reason uncertainty reigns is because the dose-response models are all bogus: they do not address bio-accumulation and bio-magnification.

            3. The third reason uncertainty reigns is most of the world's eco-systems were in crisis mode before Fukushima, especially the oceans. Tipping points may have been reached.

            4. Finally, TRANS-GENERATIONAL effects are unpredictable. Each generation transmits its genomic damage to its children via germ-line cell damage. In 1956 geneticists warned we could engineer our own…


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    • bo bo

      WKYM I know these facts are nuclear 101 for the veterans here, but I really appreciate your posts.


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    • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

      WKYM, at BeauifulGirlByDana you tube site/videos, he explains how the nuke indust does not tell you when they say half life you have muliply that by 10, is that correct? He had the documents where the nuke pros use it to throw people off who is not in the click! So a half life of 8 days X's 10=80, right?


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      • WesternKyMan

        there is actually a formula they use to calculate half-life…I am not even going to pretend I understand how all of it works.

        The term half-life is kind of misleading. Strontium 90s 1/2 life is is 29 years but I believe it takes about 300 years to totally decay. Same with Iodine 131….its half life is 8 days but it takes around 3 months for it to completely decay.


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        • guevara3712

          so the half life is how long it takes for half the energy to decay. then it takes twice that long for another half of what's left to decay.so for iodine after 8 days you have half energy, after 16 more days you have a quarter of the original, after 32 more days you have an eighth, etc etc. at least i think this is the gist of it.


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          • razzz razzz

            Saying some decay lifetimes might be educated guesswork, would not be far from the truth. Took 25 years to figure out radiation could alter DNA.

            'Cesium does not decay in Chernobyl'
            http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/05/cesium-does-not-decay-in-chernobyl/


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          • harengus_acidophilus

            Not the energy

            "so the half life is how long it takes
            for half the energy to decay"

            After one half live, half of the atoms of a given amount is on the next stage of the decay chain but you can't say wich half. Some isotopes are stable after this decay (Hg-197->Au-197), others with different mass numbers not (take a look at the classical decay chains from U, Th, Pa).

            If you take a mole of any radioactive element, after ~79 halflives there is ONE original atom still radioactive. What's happend to this single atom after another half life is not predictable. Maybe it goes to decay, maybe not, 50:50.

            This is one of the frontiers of our knownledge.

            h.


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      • harengus_acidophilus

        It's just a "thumb rule"

        "when they say half life you have muliply that by 10"

        After 10 half lives you will have 1/2^10 = 1/1024,
        e.g. roughly 1 ‰ from the original concentration.

        BUT IT ISN'T TOTALLY GONE!

        Example:
        Take roughly a teaspoon (18 ml) of tritated water (HTO),
        there are 6.022e23 molecules in it.
        After ~ 79 half lives (~972 years) still
        ONE tritated molecule remains.

        h.


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  • WesternKyMan

    When a pro-nukers go on the attack, beat them down something called a "fact" lol (I might make that my new signature,, I like it)


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  • GQR2

    i like it WKM ! Thank you for the facts, taking the time to post it, so that people might learn about the realities of these invisible particles.

    i'm english first language person. Does anyone else find that the words " a little alerting" are kind of strange. One can be slightly or almost alerted. as in waking up from sleep. But once you are alerted can you just be a little alerted ? Is that like that other funny wording of an expert "Alarmed but not afraid" Who taught these people to speak English, in the course of their propaganda they are mangling the English Language.


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  • charlie3

    He wanted to say "It's a little alarming", but caught himself int ime to change the word to the inventive term "alerting".


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Seems like they believe that the more they repeat themselves, the more they feel reassured that they are right.

    Of course, they might be wrong, but that is not something that they can accept. Such an admission would threaten their game plan, that is, the economy. As long as the economy does not suffer, everything is ok by them.

    I guess they can invent robots to buy the company store products, if we don't. I can see it now. They will issue "life" as they do credit. They can issue debt to the robot, use the robot to work at Fukushima, and make it pay off it's debt. Once the debt is paid off, the now radioactive robot will bury itself, and pay the insurance company the saved cost of a funeral.

    When they say the coming radiation is harmless, perhaps they forgot that the people are still human. Their bad.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Are we really going to let this play out, without effort?

    Can we not step back and ponder this result?

    We humans are the pinnacle of all known life.

    The garden is ours to care for and nourish.

    It's the only pale blue dot in our known sphere.

    We can walk away, but there is nowhere else to go.

    Are we really at the end of the path?

    Are we really going to make all life before us without worth?

    Are we really going to write off all known life after us?

    A very wise man once said, you are here…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9TIeuBF9Ss


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  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    Even if we had the knowledge we don't have the facts. By knowledge I have in mind several years of nuclear physics plus some time in nuclear engineering.
    The politics of Fukushima Daiichi are also ultra puzzling. One might have supposed the USA and Canada would be quite involved. But nope. TEPCO is to Fukushima as the Canadian software company (Michelle O's friend) is to Obamacare. A truly extraordinary level of incompetence! Meanwhile back at the ranch we have US Senators who want to start a war with Iran over nuclear bombs. Supra puzzling. No one told me that life was a comedy told by morons and imbeciles. The idiots need a vacation at this time.


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  • razzz razzz

    If they don't abandoned the site, they are going to run out of workers due to radiation exposure limits including the qualified personal who oversee the onsite operations. If Japan wants to restart their nuke plants in the coming months, they need educated personal that are still under lifetime limits to run the plants or they can expect human errors in operations. Bringing in outsiders (foreigners) would expose the dilapidated conditions of the remaining reactors.

    They are already down to using street people. I think anyone with half a brain knows not to work at the Daiichi site for fear of uncontrolled radiation.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Arnie Gundersen "I'm now not eating Pacific Ocean fish"

    Helen Caldicott "Southern Hemisphere receives much less contamination"

    Leuren Moret "North America is finished"


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    There is live video on Fukushima in 25 minutes on you tube "BeauifulGirlByDana", there some very good info with peer review studies he presents & so much more, please enenewsers drop in & check it out, he uses lots of enenews headlines & all chime in & share just as we do here.

    The cover up has been going on to long & the nuke complex just walks away from trying to stop what they created!


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  • isogoodhumans

    If you are in the US and have been eating Japanese eel (eel donburi) or Pacific Cod (used in many fish and chips) its possible you're eating seafood that is japanese radioactive waste.

    The US government simply doesnt have a good explanation why its radiation limits are 12x weaker than Japan's. Its not like Americans have different hearts.

    It is easy to find Japanese seafood above the government limit in Japan, yet that can be legally exported to the US-thanks to the FDA There should be an uproar about this.

    So even if there isnt Fukushima-level radiation on the San Francisco beach or in the ocean off California, even if we give the government that, there is simply no reason why the US should have 12x weaker standards than Japan to begin with!

    Analysis:
    http://www.vitapect.org/blogs/news/11692501-radioactive-japanese-seafood-for-export


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  • Jebus Jebus

    How long till Fukushima Heart becomes a household word?


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  • own_quality

    We need Tepco to walk. Then we can get a competent international effort going.


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  • harengus_acidophilus

    "It’s a little alerting"

    This "roaring silence" is more than "a little alerting".

    And, it's one of the best arguments
    you can use in a discussion with others.

    Every "news" about Fukushima is twisted in a special way und you need no knownledge about nuclear to pinpoint the logical flaws.

    The simple question: why they pay for lies?
    What is the "return of investnent"?

    h.


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  • uncomfortablynumb

    "Yes…We have no bananas, we have no bananas today."


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  • denial is not a river in Egypt

    For all intents and purposes, FUKU was abandoned long before now….


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