Nuclear Engineer: My biggest concern is Fukushima plant will collapse… Concrete under reactors is being “eaten away”… “There’s ongoing chemical attacks” — Containment structures are tilting, in jeopardy of falling over (AUDIO)

Published: March 17th, 2017 at 6:19 am ET
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KGO 810 AM, Feb 9, 2017 (at 9:15 in):

Pat Thurston, host (emphasis added): “There’s a story that’s going around the internet, Snopes says there’s nothing to verify that this is true — I guess Tepco is denying it — but there’s a story going around that the containment structure is in jeopardy — its tilting — it’s in jeopardy of falling over, so we’ll talk about that too — if that is even a possibility. Were that to happen, what would that mean?… First, to the issue of the potential for a collapse of the building — for the building to topple over — for it to somehow to collapse. Is that a thing? Can that happen?”

Arnie Gundersen, nuclear engineer: “Yeah, it can happen — and that’s my biggest concern. Tepco is building a wall along the ocean… it’s trapping all this groundwater onsite, and essentially making the ground mushy… There’s already significant damage [to the reactor buildings] — the entire coast of Japan dropped three feet during that earthquake and never rebounded… But the Fukushima site didn’t fall straight, it fell at an angle, it’s about a two inch incline across the site now. So the buildings are in mushy ground and they’re not quite straight. The other part is that there’s a toxic brew of radioactive chemicals inside there, but there’s also just chemicals – they’re eating away at the concrete and they’re eating away at the steel. It’s a nasty chemical broth inside these plants. My fear is that if there’s a Richter 7 quake, not the Richter 9 that happened 6 years ago, if there’s a Richter 7 quake on that site it could breach those containments… The horse is out of the barn at that point… (discussion continues at 32:00 in) On toppling over… probably half the concrete inside the containment that was originally there has been eaten away by the hot radioactive fuel — and there’s ongoing chemical attacks — so I really think the concrete under the containment is pretty darn punky [“resembling punk in being soft or rotted”] right now, and is getting punkier as time goes on.”

ENENews has published several reports in recent weeks on this topic:

Full interview with Gundersen here

Published: March 17th, 2017 at 6:19 am ET
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255 comments to Nuclear Engineer: My biggest concern is Fukushima plant will collapse… Concrete under reactors is being “eaten away”… “There’s ongoing chemical attacks” — Containment structures are tilting, in jeopardy of falling over (AUDIO)

  • GOM GOM

    Yeah, it's always everyone's 'biggest concern'.

    FAT CAT PETTY RETARD TALKING HEADS..

  • GOM GOM

    When I SAID the structures were sinking I caught hell..

    The plant is a geological/hydrological nightmare. ANY portion of Earth's layers or levels can begin to move or shift. Contrary to what is taught, the planet as a 'marble'. Nope. She is full of crevices.

    One must note the ancient strata bedrock was disturbed in preparation for the power plant basement. This in itself must have somewhat affected this site. That, and the unstable history of Japan's landmass.

    Most of you here would agree that Japan is not the ideal environment for nuclear anything.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Unexpected phenomenon arising from 2011 quake

    Parts of coastal northeastern Japan seem to be getting a push

    Conventional seismology fails to explain the land rise, leaving experts to speculate that the mantle, a layer between the crust and outer core of the Earth, is moving. According to this theory, the quake altered the pressure on the mantle, which is now slowly pushing up the ground.

    http://asia.nikkei.com/Tech-Science/Science/Unexpected-phenomenon-arising-from-2011-quake

    • GOM GOM

      J

      This is terrifying. And they know Jebus. Just like I know. Well, sort of.

      The fault, is causing the ground to rise. Hence, they 'don't know'.

      Excellent J

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      Weird Earth Movement After Japan Earthquake Finally Explained
      September 18, 2014

      “During the Tohoku earthquake, northeast Japan jumped 16 feet (5 meters) eastward — a permanent shift — and the seafloor closer to the fault skipped 101 feet (31 m) to the east, according to GPS data. But immediately afterward, offshore GPS receivers in the extreme damage zone were traveling westward again, a puzzling sight.
      “A new study explains why: Geologists were watching the Earth ooze like warm putty after a giant earthquake.

      “The long-term deformation was deeper beneath Earth's surface, in rock layers that flow rather than rupture, scientists thought. Subduction zone megaquakes like Tohoku disturb the Earth down into the mantle, the layer under the brittle crust. Subduction zones are tectonic collision sites where one tectonic plate yields to another and sinks into the mantle. Scientists thought the mantle took years to decades to catch up after giant earthquakes, slowly oozing under the suddenly shifted plates. [How Japan's 2011 Earthquake Happened (Infographic )]…

      "’This flow is going to endure for decades and could affect earthquake hazard levels across Japan,’ said Roland Bürgmann, a geophysicist at the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the study.

      http://www.livescience.com/47898-tohoku-earthquake-mantle-flow-model.html

  • GOM GOM

    Denudation

    In geology, denudation is the long-term sum of processes that cause the – wearing away of the Earth’s surface by moving water – ice, wind and waves, leading to a reduction in elevation and relief of landforms and landscapes.

    Although this refers to NATURAL process, one can clearly see that mankind has 'created' denudation through advanced technologies such as nuclear and fracking.

    The continuous deposition of sediment.. Erosion and deposition concurrent with the subsidence has been slow but continuous erosion. Water carries rocks, gravel, sand and silt …you get it. You're a very astute bunch of peeps.

    Please take a minute to view this short '101' on mass wasting (Denudation)

    http://www.oocities.org/ghsgeography/CE/03denudn.htm

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    New model of Earth's interior reveals clues to hotspot volcanoes
    September 5, 2013

    “…This is a 3D view of the top 1,000 kilometers of the earth's mantle beneath the central Pacific showing the relationship between seismically-slow ‘plumes’ and channels imaged in the study. Green cones on the ocean floor mark islands associated with ‘hotspot’ volcanoes, such as Hawaii. Credit: Berkeley Seismological Laboratory, UC Berkeley…”
    https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/1-newmodelofea.jpg
    https://phys.org/news/2013-09-earth-interior-reveals-clues-hotspot.html

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      CT scan of Earth links deep mantle plumes with volcanic hotspots
      September 2, 2015

      “…The 1,800-mile thick mantle under the Pacific Ocean contains rising plumes of hot rock that fan out at the surface to stationary hotspots, where they generate island chains as Earth’s crust moves due to plate tectonics. Scott French image….”
      http://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/earthct.jpg

      http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/09/02/ct-scan-of-earth-links-deep-mantle-plumes-with-volcanic-hotspots/

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      Shaken Beliefs: Seismic Lessons from Japan’s Tohoku Earthquake
      March 11, 2016

      “…The greatest lurching occurred along the shallowest part of the fault. The coastal area near Sendai, where the subduction zone is about fifteen miles down, was shoved an astonishing fourteen feet eastward. At the uppermost part of the plate boundary, though, the figure was closer to a hundred feet. This, in turn, displaced an immense volume of overlying seawater, triggering the tsunami that caused most of the disaster’s sixteen thousand deaths.

      “Most seismologists now agree that Tohoku should be considered a composite event. What started as a large but otherwise unremarkable earthquake unleashed a chain reaction of secondary effects, and it morphed into a monster. One hypothesis is that the initial jolt was strong enough to dislodge a particularly high-friction patch of the subduction zone, which then activated the otherwise stable, water-rich upper section. Once this began slipping, a process called thermal pressurization—heating and expansion of fluids on the fault—may have led to runaway failure at shallow depths. Like the thin film of water beneath the blade of a skate, the heated fluids would have kept the rock surfaces out of contact with each other, reducing the friction between them virtually to zero.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

        Tragically, because the early stages of the fault slip looked like an ordinary earthquake, Japan’s sophisticated automatic early-warning systems initially underestimated the magnitude of the event. As a result, some people ignored the first alerts that were issued. The arcane details of rock friction, then, are of not only geophysical but also humanitarian concern.

        “Whatever the cause of its anomalously large and shallow slip, the Tohoku earthquake has forced the seismological community to abandon the characteristic-earthquake concept, at least for the biggest events, and to confront the unsettling reality that even an incipient earthquake doesn’t know at the outset whether it will become a magnitude nine or not. Rather, its propagation and eventual size will depend on a cascade of effects that play out over seconds or minutes. Earlier this month, a group of four scientists published a paper in Nature addressing the question of why the Japanese earthquake did not in fact become even larger. In particular, they focus on why the slip apparently stopped abruptly at a line that runs across the overriding plate—the upper slice in the subduction sandwich, which carries Japan itself.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Combining geologic maps, high-resolution depth and gravity readings, and historical patterns of earthquakes in the region, the authors argue that this sudden halt was due to a geologic discontinuity in the plate, where Japan’s oldest rocks (to the north) are juxtaposed against more recent, mainly volcanic rocks. They suggest that the contrasting rock types, with their distinct geologic histories, created differences in friction along the subduction zone. They behaved like a patch of grass in the snow, catching the ski as it whizzed over….”
          http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/shaken-beliefs-seismic-lessons-from-japans-tohoku-earthquake

      • GOM GOM

        Anne

        Composite seismic event? Their 'opinion' to appease suspicion?

        The deep-sea drilling vessel Chikyu is capable of being lowered 6900+ meters and drilling another 850 into pure bedrock. Stunning technology.

        Anyway, 2 things. First, there were US deep-drilling research ships in the vicinity of ground zero. Second, after the quake, the Chikyu found that said fault soil was primarily .."prising a clay mineral known as smectite in greater abundance (78%) than has been described in any other subduction fault rock before".

        Smectite is one of the many kinds of clays which has the property to swell in contact water.

        http://theconversation.com/japans-slippery-earthquake-means-we-might-need-to-rethink-our-pacific-risk-43260

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      Unexpected biotic resilience on the Japanese seafloor caused by the 2011 Tōhoku-Oki tsunami
      17 December 2014
      http://www.nature.com/articles/srep07517

      Identification of a Soil Liquefied Layer due to the 2011 of the Pacfic coast of Tohoku Earthquake Using X-ray CT Scan Imaging: An Example from Core Samples from Maihama 3-chome, Urayasu City
      https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/geosoc/118/7/118_2012.0029/_pdf

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

    UPDATE2: Gov't, TEPCO found liable in Fukushima nuclear disaster for 1st time
    17 March 2017

    “…The plaintiffs claimed the state and TEPCO could have foreseen tsunami over 10 meters high hitting the plant based on a 2002 government estimate that there was roughly a 20 percent chance of a magnitude-8-level tsunami-triggering earthquake occurring within the next 30 years….”
    http://kyodonews.net/news/2017/03/17/104917

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      In the absence of Dr GoodHeart, I would have to say you are currently the best poster on ENEnews, though of course I'm not particularly welcome here so I can't really say that means anything.

      But still, thank you for the posts.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        ask them about 'man made' radioactive potassium

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Are we talking bananas here? Because of course, natural radioactive potassium is quite stable, very low energy release (at least from what I've seen). Not exactly comparable to caesium 134/137, strontium 90, iodine 131, plutonium, etc. Not saying it isn't damaging, but it's not EXACTLY in the same sort of league as some other heavily promoted or "easily", shall we say, ignored isotopes.

          Let's just drink some tritiated water (thorium reactor proponents like to ignore that factor btw), hardly ever even try to address waste (how's that working out in sweden, germany, WIPP, etc, btw?). Hey, let's just contract some mobsters to get poor people to work for us. It worked super well in Italy, Japan and America, oh yeah, wouldn't want to not mention the UK and France.

          It'll be fine, kakistocracy (kak literally means shit in afrikaans, btw) is very real, in fact it made america great again, never.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      They are incredibly optimistic with that 20% ~8 eq in the next 3 decade estimate, btw. Many 7s and possibly even stronger eqs will occur before that.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Oh sorry, I meant HAVE occurred. Hindsight is 20/20, excuse my ignorance.

      But yeah, it's not like eqs will just suddenly stop.

  • GOM GOM

    History: EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI AND OTHER LARGE TSUNAMIS IN JAPAN

    The report concluded that multiple-quake events with subsequent large-scale tsunami have occurred five times: in about the fourth or third century B.C." in about the fourth or fifth century; in 869; in about the 15th century; and on March 11. The report also predicts the size of the next such quake will be of magnitude 8.3 to 9.

    Comprehensive report (under lists/links)

    http://factsanddetails.com/japan/cat26/sub160/item1741.html

  • antipodes

    Somewhat off topic: Now that Cheny and his minions will be allowed to do fracking in national forest and other public lands it's a real possibility that they frack the Yellowstone caldera, it erupts, all hell does indeed break loose, the nuclear power plants become cut off from their electrical supplies, blow up, spill their guts and totally pollute the Earth. Game over. Mars will probably be out, humans have been sending Plutonium, a powerful agent of death, to power robot probes supposedly in search of life. On a another note Earth day is coming up, it's a good day to distribute information about Fukushima, nuclear radiation, and counter measures one can take. Natural food stores are quite accepting. People will thank you.

  • SadieDog

    , GUNMA PREF. – A court in Japan has ruled for the first time that the government and the operator of the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant were responsible for failing to take preventive measures against the March 11, 2011, quake-triggered tsunami that killed scores and forced tens of thousands from their homes.

    Friday’s stunning ruling by the Maebashi District Court was the first to recognize negligence by the state and Tokyo Electric Power Co. Holdings Inc. It called the massive tsunami predictable and said the major nuclear disaster could have been avoided."

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/17/national/crime-legal/first-government-tepco-found-liable-fukushima-disaster/

  • Sol Man

    It doesn't have to be a concern, it's a feature!

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    So guys, I was thinking of having a talk with one of our sustainable fisheries council members again, obviously, I would link him to ENEnews. But I have to make a (strong) argument for the case against nuclear power plants on our coasts. Any suggestions?

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      You might try contacting some of the long-time anti-nuke grassroots orgnizations like the Clamshellers in New Hampshire. They may no longer exist. You might also try contacting Fairewinds Associates (Arnie Gunerson's non-profit educational org.), and Beyond Nuclear. Explain you are in South Africa, articulate your concerns. Maybe they can help you. If we can be successful in preventing even one new nuke plant being built, it would be a very a fine thing.

      It's great that you have an interest in working on this. It was also pretty disappointing hearing there are plans to build several new nuke plants in SA.

      Keep us apprised.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out, I unfortunately (fortunately?) know almost noone associated with nuclear physics or industry and people don't generally accept word of mouth from a hobo looking reject.

        I was thinking of writing a page or two (not that sort of writing) about the damage and dangers of nuclear stuff and presenting that to the guy, in multiple copies (so that he can speak to the other council members and they can understand the implications), linking to ENEnews, etc.

  • Why are you working so hard to sell everyone Arni Gunderson ? Surly there is other nuclear scientist , if he sneezes you run out and say he sneezed ? If he farts you run out and say it smells like perfume .

    Arni claims reactors fuel pools
    at reactor 4 and Reactor 3 are intact yet I proved that's ridicules . Arni knows its ridicules because he use to make the assembly for the pools .

    This is a betrayal to post his words , I have proven beyond any doubt that he is lying about reactor 3 and reactor 4 . Yet you indoctrinate everyone with him as if he is god when he lied repeatedly about reactor 3 and reactor 4 in videos and on TV verified lying .

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Yeah and? (From an angry irishman to another)

      Of course some people lie about virtually anything possible, you know, it's the system. How many of these "persistent" posters do you reckon are shills in some way or another (just some rhetoric)?

      Please don't accuse Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar with some of your bullshit though, she posts far more AGAINST nuclear crap than other posters here and directly links, you know, kinda like an aggregator does. Kinda like ENEnews, is.

      Thank you for speaking out against nuclear crap though (I can only assume you are real), excuse my naivety.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Btw, I spent a few years or so observing how Tepco shills would talk crap about the SFPs on some other forums.

      Yeah, I noticed a thing or two. Like for instance, how they suddenly stfu, was it in september? You know, right around the time Tepco workers, while supposedly clearing out SFP 4, there was a "little" accident and the workers took an unscheduled extended break.

      Of course, just before that, they were appealing about how wonderfully successful their cleanup efforts have been.

      Apparently not.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Jesus dude, I just read an article (from japan, pro-nuke) and it suggested you've "enlisted white supremacists and anti-semitics to kill Fukushima-involved scientists.

      That's a bit harsh. I mean, I don't believe that.

      Hey, if it means anything, I'm here to kill all the things.

      • DUDe DUDe

        "..Hey, if it means anything, I'm here to kill all the things.."

        Meaning..?

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          Isn't it obvious?

          Meaning, I needed a reason that isn't a lie, a reason that isn't a meaning why.

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Sorry, misquoted (it's what I do best).

            *a meaning that isn't a reason why.

          • DUDe DUDe

            "..Isn't it obvious?.."

            no it aint or i wouldent ask actually..your new so unknown background/culture/thoughtprocesses..and there aint no intonation of voice or bodylanguage/facial expressions and such on the internet..so being clear in wordings is a bit more important..

            "..Meaning, I needed a reason that isn't a lie, a meaning that isn't a reason why.."

            "..Hey, if it means anything, I'm here to kill all the things.."

            Still see no connection at all between these two sentences..

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              Basically, I am become death.

              Is that obvious enough?

            • q Farthington MacMananus

              It's sort of satirical social commentary, because people keep telling me I'm super pro-nuke and a government shill or whatever.

              Yeah, no. That's the fun part of talking on the internet, as you mentioned, people really don't know.

              • earthsmith earthsmith

                "Yeah, no. That's the fun part of talking on the internet, as you mentioned, people really don't know."
                What do you know? Seriously go ahead try to explain it…I know St. Patties day and all, it's cool, but give it a shot…

              • DUDe DUDe

                I never called you pronuke..but you seem to get to much personal fun out of speaking unclear , mysterious and important sounding..and then you wonder why people are not overly charmed but suspicious lol

                • q Farthington MacMananus

                  Well, I didn't say YOU called me pro-nuke. Sorry if that was implied. But hey, I've been called pro-nuke by a few other posters.

                  Some of those posters have also tried to demonize M(r)s. Maziar, though it's obvious she's not a nuclear proponent, rather, it reflects and suggests far more of those posters and what THEY suppport.

                  I only speak how I know to speak, considering. Sorry if it doesn't make sense. People should be suspicious, I don't trust me.

                  • DUDe DUDe

                    "..Well, I didn't say YOU called me pro-nuke. Sorry if that was implied.."

                    Nope not implied , no need to apologize, i just wanted to be sure we both agree on that..so no need to further use it as an argument in our small conversation..and i think i just explained a bit..when a newb make people wonder what their up to..that is already an act of distraction..in this place there is usually only one explanation..

                    "..Society's rape of the earth isn't JUST restricted to nuclear damage.."

                    I agree..

            • GOM GOM

              DUDe

              Please don't engage it. If you take a good look at its posts, the in & out of reality bs coupled with some startling insight, is genius. Like the 'Q' (star trek) of disrupters.

        • q Farthington MacMananus

          But seriously, I may have to go talk to that sustainable fisheries council member and I ain't got the credentials as a persuasive speaker.

          You got any ideas of what I should try and tell him? I know people, I would link him to ENEnews to point out the damage of nuclear garbage, of course, but you know he'd probably ignore that.

          Just saying, I've browsed, posted and talked to many people about the crap, you should know what people think when you speak out against the crap. Go on, try posting on a popular site, just watch what you're met with.

          Anyway, I'd have to be able to tell the guy to try and oppose nuclear power plants (they want to build cheap chinese nuclear disasters on our coasts here). Shit, I even had some family appeal about the "qualities" of thorium reactors. Yeah, I did some research, let's just say some family won't find themselves in my good book.

          • DUDe DUDe

            I too speak as i am at the moment..i dont prefab..

            dunno..man is just arrived..cant fabricate containers that are timeproof for anything , especially nuclear, it will find its way in to the living world period..finite planet..fragile DNA..damage past on to next generation cumulating..bioaccumulation..halflife..ignoring the damage from the previous mistake to play russian roulette by loading more bullets in to empty chambers is maybe a exiting distraction but not a responsible or sensible or defendable thing to do unless your so evelish insane that its best for the Multy-verse to instantly shoot you or something..morally speaking..

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            MacManAnus, you ask how you can address the fisheries council. How do you like this idea; Tell them you are a genius who knows about simplex hypertetrahedrons, your an asshole, you teach your sister who is employed by Gates, is amazed but wont listen. Tell them you are much older than 33, and when they ask you what you mean, tell them you are the devil. Tell them youre saturnian. If they are still confused, tell them you have become death.

            Now when you finally get to your pitch, tell them that you know a bunch of idiot anti nukers who circle jerk about the dangers of nuclear in a Hegelian dialectic whilst denying that there are plenty of other things to be concerned about, like G-5. And you have asked these fools about how nuclear is maybe affecting their fisheries, and basically you tell them you dont like their shit. Emphasize that word with some gestures and some alcohol spittle…you know right in their face. And if they dont seem to take a liking to you, threaten to leave, but dont actually ever leave…instead come back with more obtuse, meaningless crap, and, standing on your toes in your pink ballet tutu, sling the crap toward them, hoping they wont understand, all the while complaining they dont accept you because they are morons. I think that will work, dont you?

    • BanReactorsForever BanReactorsForever

      Dana is correct re Fuku fuel pools 3 & 4 being totally destroyed and burned up. Look at the pics of reactor buildings 3 &4 then compare those pics to the bs ones put forward by the nuker owned fake news. Laughably fraudulent. Perhaps code, Stock, Dr GH, Dana or someone else here has the calculations on how many bequerells were put up into the atmosphere by the raging, documented spent fuel pool fires at reactors 4 and 3. Reactor 3 went nuke weapon dirty bomb explosion mode for God's sake!! Look at the buildings!!! It's patently obvious that the fuel pools are long since vaporized. This has been established here on the ENENEWS.com forums years ago. It's proven. Hence the massive sea creature die offs we now witness…

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        SFP4; I have it that some 14,000 Hiroshima bombs of fission products were in SFP4. If that were released, would it be a lot? Even though nuke bombs and exploded nuke fuel are not directly comparable, we can get a broad sense of it; one Hiroshima bomb per day non stop for 38 years.

        But we dont know how much of the fuel was liberated. Stohl comments that when water was finally put into the pool, the radiation reduced dramatically, indicating that somehow the reaction was quenched.

        But we have some idea of the total releases. A fair ballpark is that the four units released 10,000 Hiroshima bombs of fallout in the first weeks. The ongoing erosion of corium and runnoff from land is far less than the initial catastrophe, yet is ongoing and non stop. Instead of deadly iodine 131 we have bone seeking stronium which will plague the living world with leukemias and other miseries.

        Causes Of Unit 4 Explosion Revisited
        http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?page_id=9326

        SFP4 fuel found in Europe
        https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/radioactivity-from-fukushima-dai-ichi-in-air-over-europe-part-2-what-enjD0WDTRk

        the fire in the Unit 4 storage pool caused some of the worst radioactive Cs-137 releases during the catastrophic first week at Fukushima."
        http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/2313/2012/acp-12-2313-2012.pdf

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Stontium, not stronium. Not tybo free since 1893.

          A good paper for estimating initial release, which compares to about 10,000 hiroshima bombs. A good read!
          http://www.npsag.org/upload/reports/00-004/00-004%20Castle%20Meeting%202011%2009%20-%20Paper.pdf
          A range of possible
          atmospheric source terms is estimated, using three methods:
          dosimetric measurements
          at the plant, simplified accident progression, and aerial USDOE maps of
          surface
          contamination. Estimates from other sources are also included to arrive at the ranges.
          ————-

          Regarding SFP4, Stohl et al. have reported:
          “Our results indicate that 137 Cs emissions peaked on 14–15 March but were generally high from 12 until 19 March, when they suddenly dropped by orders of magnitude exactly when spraying of water on the spent-fuel pool of unit 4 started. This indicates that emissions were not only coming from the damaged reactor cores, but also from the spent-fuel pool of unit 4 ”

          " Thus, the HLRW fire in the Unit 4 storage pool caused some of the worst radioactive Cs-137 releases during the catastrophic first week at Fukushima."

          ————
          On 16 March, the chairman of United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), Gregory Jaczko, said in Congressional testimony that the NRC believed all of the water in the spent fuel pool had boiled dry. Even though the claim is contested by TEPCO, the scenario is given support by modelling analysis from Sandia
          Causes Of Unit 4 Explosion…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Im sorry, I missed how Dana Durnford proved that SFP4 had releases of radiation, but in lieu of his expose, one can use the above links which go into some scientific rigor…on the rare chance that anyone is interested in that kind of thing. To beat my own ape-man chest, Ive been posting those links for years…before SimplyInfo wrote their piece. But what glory is there in being a messenger? The real work was done by others

            • Didn't DANA use the NRC memo as proof?

              • razzz razzz

                One data entry that hasn't been reported is from the USS Reagan sitting offshore of Daiichi during Unit 3's blast.

                All these other reports are guessing because TEPCO does not cough up the true numbers they recorded. Incomplete or not.

                It maybe that or if this happened, nobody is sure except the US Navy and they are not talking, in fact they are lying to their own sailors.

                Unit 3's blast could be much worse than a suggested 10% or 20% of inventory going airborne. What if was 50% of inventory, then that would be a game changer. How do these research papers know how much melt is left behind after a blast or how much melt vaporized while Unit 3's core burned after its blast lacking coolant?

                If Unit 4 was releasing its spent fuel radioisotope inventory, I would like to know how the fuel rods were damaged to the point of leaking. Did they burn or melt through their cladding? Did they crack open somehow? Just exactly what was the extent of fuel rod damage there and how many possible fuel rods were damaged? I'm sure TEPCO could answer those questions since they removed all the fuel rods from that pool.

                Silence is suspicious both from TEPCO and the US Navy.

                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  Murderers.
                  Those that gave the order to kept the ship at a relatively short distance and to scrub the ship without radiological protective gear.. while getting the sailors to remove radiological contamination..are MURDERERS.

                  • From the beginning, I thought the deaths and radiation diseases suffered by the crew of the USS Reagan would be the tipping point the brought attention to the crisis. (Obviously the health of the Pacific doesn't seem to concern many.) Maybe a fluorescent green ribbon with the ends painted black to honor the dead and dying from the USS Reagan?

                    I wish the PR professionals would stop using their PR talents to promote Monsanto and GE and instead use their skills to bring attention to this issue. Of course, that doesn't resonate well for their clients.

                  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                    USN has a rich history of cover while trying to put together an 'explanation' of sad events

                    Just another chapter in a large book for USN.
                    When you swear to give anything and everything, there is no limit as to what can be taken. These folks gave not only of themselves, but of their progeny. There will be no compensation for that.

                    We may get the real story, but it will be a long time coming.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDPE-NronKk

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  razzz how can you know for sure they removed all the fuel from unit4 SFP? You keep saying it. I can tell you with certainty they didnt remove the fuel that was found in Europe. Or the fuel that was spread into the environment. So that much is certain. The building blew up. I think everyone agrees on that. You ask how much fuel was released…and they have super computers that can calculate it. Im confident to repeat this; not all the fuel was removed. We in fact dont know how much was or in what condition. There is a lot more than Jaczko's NRC congressional hearing.

                  You hang on that one point, that they didnt know what was going on in the confusion of the moment. But that is an empty hypothesis on your part. There was an international team assembled at Livermore, there were people from the U.S. taking measurements at Japan, there is TEPCOs own admission,,,you have Sandias paper, Stohls paper and more. Its conspicuous! Nobody believes you Im afraid.

                  Causes Of Unit 4 Explosion Revisited
                  http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?page_id=9326

                  SFP4 fuel found in Europe
                  https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/radioactivity-from-fukushima-dai-ichi-in-air-over-europe-part-2-what-enjD0WDTRk

                  A good paper for estimating initial release, which compares to about 10,000 hiroshima bombs. A good read!
                  http://www.npsag.org/upload/reports/00-004/00-004%20Castle%20Meeting%202011%2009%20-%20Paper.pdf

      • Dr. Holger Strohm – Fukushima Total Radiation Release Up To 12,000 Times Worse Than Chernobyl, It Was Not Just Harmless Hydrogen Explosions Causing This, But Multiple Criticality Explosions, Melt Outs
        http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2013/08/dr-holger-strohm-fukushima-radiation.html

  • rogerthat

    http://asq.org/qualitynews/qnt/execute/displaySetup?newsID=22844

    Japan Urged to Deal with Fukushima-Affected Food
    China Daily

    March 17, 2017

    Report finds many e-commerce sites selling potentially unsafe products

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry has urged the Japanese government to take more effective measures to handle the environmental aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster and disclose information to ensure marine environmental safety and the safety of people in other countries.

    Hua Chunying, spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, made the comment on Thursday following exposure by China's State television station that food products from areas affected by the nuclear disaster in Japan are being sold in China.

    China's top food regulator promised on Thursday to punish such irregularities involving food safety exposed in China Central Television's annual World Consumer Rights Day program on Wednesday.

    "We have demanded local food and drug supervision authorities investigate the irregularities and transfer criminal suspects to public security authorities," the China Food and Drug Administration said.

    Food and drug authorities must strengthen supervision over food safety and severely punish culprits, it said.

    Food from areas affected by the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster have been sold on many e-commerce platforms in China and in some brick-and-mortar shops, including dairy, cereal, rice and wine, CCTV reported. …

    • rogerthat

      Although some of the products had labeling in Japanese that specified manufacturing locations such as Tokyo and Tochigi, they were covered by Chinese labels that only stated the manufacturing location as Japan, the report said.

      China has banned the importation of food and animal feed from Tokyo and 11 prefectures, including Fukushima, Niigata-ken and Tochigi, since April 2011 to guard against risks, according to the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine.

      Major supermarkets and e-commerce platforms in Beijing started to inspect imported food products following the CCTV report and found no product from any of the 12 areas, Ji Ye, an official at Beijing Food and Drug Administration, said.

      The administration is also conducting inspections of food enterprises in Beijing, including MUJI and 7-Eleven, and will recall any product that is imported from the affected areas, he said.

      More than 13,000 online shops in China were suspected of selling food from these banned areas, according to the Shenzhen Market and Quality Supervision Commission, CCTV reported.

      Law enforcement officers from the commission found nearly 20,000 packages of "Calbee" brand oatmeal, which is from Tochigi, at a company in Shenzhen, the report said.

      Some supermarkets, including Japanese brand MUJI, are also suspected of violations, CCTV said. MUJI said on Thursday that the two kinds of products, a cereal beverage and a muffin, are made …

      • rogerthat

        in Fukui-ken and Osaka, which are not on the list of imports banned by China's quality supervision authorities.

        Copyright 2017 China Daily Information. Provided by Syndigate Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.rsis.edu.sg/media-highlight/nts/fukushima-six-years-after-east-asias-nuclear-energy-conundrum-analysis/#.WMzfmCN95aV

    Fukushima Six Years After: East Asia’s Nuclear Energy Conundrum – Analysis
    NTS Centre / Online
    Source : Eurasia Review

    17 MARCH 2017
    Julius Cesar Trajano

    Human factors such as complacency and lack of questioning attitude have been identified as key contributors to the Fukushima nuclear disaster. But six years after the incident, East Asian states have yet to address human factors to make nuclear energy safe and secure in the region.

    Japan commemorated the sixth anniversary of the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear disaster on 11 March 2017. Since the tsunami–triggered disaster, qualified observers assess that the biggest risk associated with nuclear power comes not from the technology of the infrastructure but from human factors.

    The Fukushima incident must be regarded as a technological disaster triggered not just by “unforeseeable” natural hazards (earthquake, tsunami), but also human errors.

    Comprehensive reports on Fukushima, including findings made by the Japanese parliament and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), examine how human factors such as the complacency of operators due to ‘safety myth’, the absence of regulatory independence from the nuclear industry, and reluctance to question authority all contributed to the “accident”. The Fukushima incident, like others before it, accentuates the utmost importance of …

    • rogerthat

      addressing human and organisational factors so as to prevent nuclear accidents from occurring, or mitigate their consequences if they do occur.

      … Julius Cesar Trajano is Associate Research Fellow with the Nuclear Energy Studies Programme at the Centre for Non-Traditional Security Studies (NTS Centre), S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS), Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

  • rogerthat

    meanwhile, at hanford, the tri-city herald has a jam-packed news roundup:

    http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/local/hanford/

  • rogerthat

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/16/new-zealand-river-granted-same-legal-rights-as-human-being

    New Zealand river granted same legal rights as human being

    After 140 years of negotiation, Māori tribe wins recognition for Whanganui river, meaning it must be treated as a living entity

    Eleanor Ainge Roy in Dunedin
    @EleanorAingeRoy
    Thursday 16 March 2017

    In a world-first a New Zealand river has been granted the same legal rights as a human being.

    The local Māori tribe of Whanganui in the North Island has fought for the recognition of their river – the third-largest in New Zealand – as an ancestor for 140 years.

    On Wednesday, hundreds of tribal representatives wept with joy when their bid to have their kin awarded legal status as a living entity was passed into law.

    “The reason we have taken this approach is because we consider the river an ancestor and always have,” said Gerrard Albert, the lead negotiator for the Whanganui iwi [tribe].

    “We have fought to find an approximation in law so that all others can understand that from our perspective treating the river as a living entity is the correct way to approach it, as in indivisible whole, instead of the traditional model for the last 100 years of treating it from a perspective of ownership and management.”

    The new status of the river means if someone abused or harmed it the law now sees no differentiation between harming the tribe or harming the river because they are one and the same. …

    • rogerthat

      Chris Finlayson, the minister for the treaty of Waitangi negotiations, said the decision brought the longest-running litigation in New Zealand’s history to an end. “Te Awa Tupua will have its own legal identity with all the corresponding rights, duties and liabilities of a legal person,” said Finlayson in a statement.

      “The approach of granting legal personality to a river is unique … it responds to the view of the iwi of the Whanganui river which has long recognised Te Awa Tupua through its traditions, customs and practice.”

      Two guardians will be appointed to act on behalf of the Whanganui river, one from the crown and one from the Whanganui iwi.

      Albert said all Māori tribes regarded themselves as part of the universe, at one with and equal to the mountains, the rivers and the seas.

      The new law now honoured and reflected their worldview, he said, and could set a precedent for other Māori tribes in New Zealand to follow in Whanganui’s footsteps.

      “We can trace our genealogy to the origins of the universe,” said Albert. “And therefore rather than us being masters of the natural world, we are part of it. We want to live like that as our starting point. And that is not an anti-development, or anti-economic use of the river but to begin with the view that it is a living being, and then consider its future from that central belief.”

      Financial redress of NZ$80m is included in the settlement, as well as an additional NZ$1m contribution towards …

  • rogerthat

    http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/747223-revealing-sellafield-documentary-wins-european-science-award.html

    Revealing Sellafield documentary wins European science award

    17th March 2017
    Nick Jackson
    Deputy Editor, North West

  • Sol Man

    What is the penalty for decomposing wrongly?

  • Sol Man

    Or, not at all, since all of the microbes be dead?

    I have to make sure I have enough money to pay it.

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Oh btw, this is OT, but I have to remind people. ENEnews. Check what it says under the logo, now, energy isn't restricted to nuclear crap.

    So when I suggest damaging "energy" that is "irrelevant", just go the front page again and read what it says. Then remind yourself, what constitutes energy and wonder, perhaps, why the site and some posters are so particularly focused on trying to claim JUST nuclear energy is a problem.

    • or-well

      I remind YOU, fartass, there are clearly marked Forums for Alt Energy, General Nuclear Discussion and Off Topic.

      Yes, you flat out refuse to use Off Topic, I know, but Admin prefers comments not related to the topic of the published thread be elsewhere.
      I quote

      "Before clicking 'Submit Comment', please make sure it's: 1) On-Topic…"

      However, you have clearly admitted you troll, so my comment is purely for the edification of the broader readership.

      On the subject of edification, you are lacking but for a terribly small number among your very many comments.

      Have a nice psychotic, alcohol-soaked babble-filled evening there, if in fat, that is where you are.
      Johannesburg time

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        That's nice dear. See that's the wonderful thing about the internet, I can honestly speak about who I am and people wouldn't believe me but would much rather accuse or mock, as you do. Go on, feed your ignorance, it's bliss they say.

        Yeah, I live in Johannesburg. Like I said, I can post a scan of my ID, if you'd like. How many of the other posters would do that?

        Jy's 'n dom sleg poes, btw.

        I see straight through veiled transparency, why is that? Because I don't really have anything to hide, this world, you people no longer have any draw, or pull. So manifest your anger. Go to a window or something, shout out that you're not going to take it anymore. Maybe, if you're lucky, the site owner will ban me.

        Don't you think the fact that ENEnews (while I appreciate that it brings nuclear issues/damage to light), claims to be about energy news, yet focuses on nuclear energy only (save for some other posters, though of course, they are in a minority), and trying to speak about OTHER energy damage is frowned upon. Indeed, an interesting facade. I would even go as far as to call it disingenious.

        • GOM GOM

          FM

          Orwell is a guy fucktard. So your slur falls flat..lol

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Well, I kinda figured orwell is a guy.

            But that's a nice argument you got there, dear.

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Hey did you just see what you typed, btw?

            Literally no substance, just an insult. Take a moment, reflect on that for a bit. Next time, try an actual argument, maybe without stupid assumptions.

          • or-well

            GOM, the hobby hysteric is annoyed, having been called out for absurdly wrong assertions in the past, among other things, including virulent attacks on others who have dared criticize his/her unsubstantiable sensationalism and lack of discernment when posting dubious or plain wrong nonsense.

            GOM does post some highly relevant info – with supporting links – at times.

        • or-well

          Dear Mac, disregarding your crudity, it still remains there are two forums for posting your comments on other energy sources.

          But you mostly justify yourself while contributing little of substance and a lot of obtuseness.

          Lotsa noise – little signal.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Or maybe, maybe, it's that ENEnews also has politicized influence, say, like funding from Joe Biden (someone else suggested that, but I'll mention it)?

        • Yea, ENE is not perfect, but demonizing it will not make you friends here.

          Why not contact admin and made some positive suggestions?

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Okay I respect you, a lot, seriously. I've read many of your articles.

            Now I've observed a few forums, "alt" media, etc. I have noticed how shills and propagandists infiltrate and try to subvert.

            You should for instance go to BIN (beforeitsnews), to see how it's basically turned into trump zealotry.

            I hate nuclear crap, it's really that simple, but my hate is not restricted to just nuclear crap. I mean, what do people expect me to feel when I've been lied to (and not just me), all my life?

            I would rather be ignored than insincere, criticism, is supposedly quite a functional, perhaps even fundamental part of science. Ironically, you will find in science that criticism is ALSO frowned upon in questioning scientific narrative.

            So yeah I am wary. Bitter, angry and hateful.

          • q Farthington MacMananus

            Oh and I'm not here to make "friends".

            People can think of me what they will. Most of them are incorrect, which is kinda funny though. I don't just do niceties or politeness anymore, that shit is meaningless when it tries to hide malice.

    • Nuclear 'Crap'?

      Hmm, maybe you should make your intentions more clear.

      Are you pro nuclear?

      If you are so transparent and have nothing to hide, illuminate us.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Well, uhm, quite a few posters have already figured that I'm a government-paid shill, pro-nuke and only mention irrelevant things.

        That'd be wrong on three counts. I'm unemployed (quit pandering to society), maybe some of my comments in this thread alone would suggest that perhaps I'm not the pro-nuke guy they think I am (even if I mention "irrelevant" stuff). Oh yeah, I mention "irrelevant" stuff like say, gliadin, casein, 5g.

        People mock me, tell me it's OT, not a week later, they talk about some of the same stuff. That's kinda interesting.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Tell me btw, when's the last time you had a steroid junkie that tried to deal meth (pseudoephidrine delivery) in your house, and some of your "family" just kept on ignoring what you had to say about that? So I tell that guy to fuck off, and well, the other day he pandered to live here again. Yeah right.

        Does that give you a clue yet? I'm really fucking angry.

  • Isthmus

    Or-well I'm afraid we have a guy that drank too much, his aura went down and an alcoholic demon moved in on him, this is classic, perhaps he can save himself by going to Christen Science where they teach you not to believe in error, meaning don't believe everything your mind says.

    • Isthmus

      Eucuador Is a special country, I was there when the oil co's were starting there awful pollution of the jungle, thats's what started the envio. mov't , Quito at 10,000 feet alt. It's not to hot and what a great city, much less rads I expect. been along time ago for me . One oil worker was killed by a poison dart when I was on the Napo river .

  • Isthmus

    As to your alternative energy comment MAC , Why didn't you know everything physical on the Earth is from the sun ? Answer – Because you can't learn that in a bar room right. Right .

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Uhm actually, if you weren't ignorant, you would have noticed I have mentioned that before. Multiple times.

      For instance, in this thread, you will see I mentioned, no earth, no sun, no day.

      in another post, I mentioned vitamin-d's importance.

      In another post, I mentioned the NON-melanoma (think about that) cancer rates the further you go from the sun.

      In another post, I mentioned (somewhat sarcastically) how people talk about unviable "alternative energy", say like, from the sun is, suggesting that indeed, there is no energy without the sun.

      Try again.

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        *In another post, I mentioned the NON-melanoma (think about that) cancer rates the further you go from the equator.

        Sorry, I am of course inebriated, I don't visit bars though. I'd rather not associate with people.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      But hey, we're being sold alternative bullshit EM frequencies, people tell us we should use sunscreen (known carcinogens) every day, avoid the sun, etc.

      Weird how people near the equator and in "third world" countries have strikingly lower cancer rates. Maybe that says something.

  • Isthmus

    Perhaps Admin has been taken over by the Pro Nuke's This Human Garbage is here to ruin this site , he should have been banned a long time ago ?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "crazy low levels"= crazy to believe this guy.

    The Associated Press is in no position to fact check.
    Their word doesn't have any more clout than the rest of mainstream media.

    AP FACT CHECK: Fukushima radiation not cause for alarm in US
    March 18 2017.

    http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Fukushima-radiation-not-cause-for-11009708.php

    A little chiming in with his American counter part..Kenny Boy.
    John Smith works for Fish and Oceans Canada.

    It might as well be a 'pronouncement', from the Canadian government.
    A 'pronouncement' of "crazy low levels".
    The fishing industry is too dear to Canada, for any real truths.
    The term "crazy" is quantitative ..how so?

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Of course it's not nuclear radiation. They're scientists, they have no clue. No way that could possibly be damaging, I mean, let's look at sellafield, western american coast, damage here in south africa, fukushima. No death at all. Nothing to substantiate the idea that in all those cases, nuclear radiation, power plants, mining is involved. Infectious but spontaneous cancer, massive die offs, what could possible play a factor in environmental damage?

      No correlation whatdoever, besides, even if there was, that doesn't mean causation.

      And even then, we could just refer to (quoting Hillbillyhounddog, because it is incredible salient.)

      Since the accused were absent from the Tribunal, the lawyer acting as amicus curiae (someone not party to the proceedings who offers information and opinions to assist the court) offered an opening statement purporting to represent all the defendants: “1) Radioactive materials exist in the natural world. Even if the damages described in the indictment had occurred, it would be impossible to trace their cause to the specific radioactive materials released following the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant; 2) radioactive materials emitted into the air constitute ‘res nullius’ (property belonging to no one), meaning that those persons claiming to be victims acquired such material of their own volition; 3) accordingly, even if the damages described in the indictment were incurred, they are unrelated to the accident at…

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        …the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_nullius

        People need to stop believing in self-appointed cognoscente, they don't appeal to authority for any reason other than to abuse.

        They are stupid, but they are not only stupid.

        • Jebus Jebus

          I can almost feel the sarcasm.

          I hope the nuke puke lawyers run with that ball.

          They would prevail if it were flour they blew everywhere.

          I hope they bring it to that level.

          Go ahead, set the precedent…

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Not quoting HHD- quoting a great read: 2014, http://apjjf.org/2014/12/19/Takahashi-Tetsuya/4114/article.html

        "…“Since airborne radioactive materials constitute ‘res nullius,’ TEPCO is not accountable for any consequent damage”: this is a statement made by none other than TEPCO. Last August (2011), a company running a golf course in Nihonmatsu City, Fukushima Prefecture, applied for a provisional disposition in the Tokyo district court, demanding that TEPCO decontaminate the golf course since high radiation levels after the accident had seriously impacted business. In response, TEPCO actually claimed, “The radioactive material dispersed from the nuclear reactors does not belong to TEPCO. Therefore TEPCO has no responsibility for decontamination.”

        The Tokyo district court declined the application for provisional disposition. The court’s decision apparently does not mention TEPCO’s claim concerning “res nullius.”

        In current news…
        http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=16184
        Court Finds TEPCO & Japan Government Guilty In Fukushima Disaster

    • DUDe DUDe

      Some more shilling/criminaldumbness/criminalfaithincriminals to make blood boil and humans/animals/plants cull over..

      (Btw , i just discovered that you can select multiple links from your firefox bookmarks at once (when grouped togheter) , and copy and paste in to any txt or post directly..no need to open them one by one and copy the link from the adressbalk as i used to do it..now all done in 3 seconds)

      http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/claire-leppold/fukushima-and-the-art-of-knowing-en_b_10537440.html

      http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/

      http://www.gepr.org/en/contents/20120507-03/

      http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/09/national/science-health/extensive-radiation-study-finds-no-internal-cesium-exposure-fukushima-children/#.WLsnO1fNJ0z

  • q Farthington MacMananus

    Hey guys, let's remind people. Just after the fukushima disaster (end march/early april 2011), this happened. Still trying to sell that shit (I read a new article about that from a month or two ago). They (peer) actually had to get a court order to get the information. Sorry if I can't link to those articles currently.

    https://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/04/08/white-house-approves-radical-radiation-cleanup-rollback/

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Yeah, go up a little bit, check the post someone made about my "america hate" or whatever. Check my reply to that, linking directly to the CFR and had to say about al-qaeda's "usefulness" in Syria. I don't mean to demonize you, or civilians, I know people get used. But I will hate some things, as I do.

      I've watched Mr Assad speak, he doesn't fuck around, he doesn't pander bullshit and he is far more intelligent (and honest) than some western politicians.

      Ignore as you please, but if you do watch it, notice the EU pandering horseshit.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Watch out curly, you're posting lots of OT stuff! All of that is irrelevant, didn't you know?

      • q Farthington MacMananus

        Sorry about that, just pointing out some hypocrisy.

        In unrelated news, 0.1 ppb of glyphosate (that would be orders of magnitude lower than what is deemed acceptable, and that's just glyphosate, without the compounding effects of other toxins) has had significant negative effects on rodents within merely two years.

        Promoting say, cancers, causing tumours and particularly affecting reproduction.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Shit, since it's OT and my specialty, mind if I mention low microwatt range of ~3g frequencies causing cancer and blindness?

      I could cite an extend canadian study (specifically on females) about that, but I could also link you to a local study (maybe, if I can find the paper again) that mentions how a couple of microwatt (barely beyond what a single cellphone alone constitutes) causing blindness in small rodents within an hour or so.

      I could also link you to some chinese studies about acceptable non-ionizing radiation limits

      Reckon that's good for you?

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A general ban.. is the only way to get around doctored numbers.

    S.Korea widens Japanese fish ban DTiNews
    March 18 2017

    https://www.talkvietnam.com/2017/03/s-korea-widens-japanese-fish-ban-dtinews/

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Just shut up and take your medicine, just embrace this new soap (that's kinda interesting btw, check it out…)

      IBM and Google have something going there, but IBM REALLY don't want to be associated with that, you know, they'd rather just sell that crap to the likes of Merck, etc.

    • DUDe DUDe

      From curly's link 🙁

      "..We already know that on the one hand, reduced rainfall increases the risk of forest dieback, and on the other hand, forest loss can intensify regional droughts.

      “So more droughts can lead to less forest, leading to more droughts and so on. Yet the consequences of this feedback between the plants on the ground and the atmosphere above them so far was not clear.

      “Our study provides new insight into this issue, highlighting the risk of self-amplifying forest loss which comes on top of the forest loss directly caused by the rainfall reduction.”

      The researchers found that expected reductions in a reduced flow of moisture from the oceans were likely to cause the loss of some areas of the forest.

      The subsequent feedback between the vegetation and the climate would then produce additional forest losses that “could amount [to] up to 25 to 38 per cent of the Amazonian basis”, according to a paper about the study in Nature Communications.

      This would turn the forests into a radically different savannah environment.."

      • DUDe DUDe

        Basically what i remember from other docs and stuff..the (assumed healthy and complete, embedded in the dynamics of a healthy climate) rainforest , can sort of "regulate" its own watering..

        Now combine this not only collapsing but under threat of going in the reverse runaway cycle of self-destruction..with other interconnected systems that work together to make this planet a living thing..also under threat of going the runaway chain-reaction..on their own and together in synergy..and its not so hard to see how (exponential) fast we could end up like Venus..

        Especially with a new "leader of the free world" or should i say "the guy that freed the coörporate elite" that cares and understands so much about the interconnected infinitely looping and inter-depending lifematrix..that one would expect to find him amongst these "guys"..and he means business../sarc

        http://www.ecodelmar.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Meanwhile, in Australia (heavily involved with vaccination crap, candidate site for that paxvax crap), they're deciding to dump herpes into river water to kill "invasive" fish.

      What could go wrong? Better yet, they're mulling over what to do with those dead fish? Should they sell it to people or animal feed? Who knows.

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      What, the antarctic seems like a good prospect these days. I mean, why would the pope, russian orthodox church leader, military members, nazis, etc have had so much interest in it?

      Hey baby, the ice age is coming, so why ain't you running?

    • DUDe DUDe

      Population is gonne collapse soon , we DONT NEED so much energy anymore..if we ever did to begin with..and the mic should stop dreaming about and aiming for armageddon and make itself usefull and begin global reforestation..for starters..this is the REAL war , the most important one..

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      But it's government, with a president that has only declared corporate bankruptcy 4 times (at least) pushing his debt onto american taxpayers while personally enriching himself.

      How could you possibly not trust that? Surely he's benevolent.

  • rogerthat

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-18/when-us-dams-begin-crack

    When The Dam Cracks: "There Are 80,000 US Dams, With An Average Age Of 52

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      You're an a roll bro. Saturate them with truth.

      Hey, one of the people I know/knew actually bought al gore's bullshit taxation hypocrisy crap. Fuck, even asked me to do some videos/animations for them (yeah, I used to be a modeler/animator too).

    • q Farthington MacMananus

      Oh here's something you haven't mentioned, there's this rather ancient single-cell organism in the ocean (it's kinda red) gets carred by the wind, typically sort of pathogenic, very common these days. Not quite algae. I forgot the name, it's be prominent.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Wanna talk other energy sources…?

    "In a report reviewed by KTBS News, leading researchers from Texas A&M determined it was the very storage wells used to hold hundreds of thousands of gallons of racking fluid that was responsible for the quakes. In that report researchers said, "here we show that waste water injection in eastern Texas causes uplift, detectable in radar interferometric data up to >8kilometers from the wells."

    More problems for earthquake prone Texas town
    March 15 2017

    http://www.ktbs.com/story/34899587/more-problems-for-earthquake-prone-texas-town

    "Another interesting thing KTBS discovered while looking into this story is who pays for the damage caused by an earthquake. According to Smith, many business owners in Timpson have purchased earthquake insurance. But that only pays out if the earthquake was deemed natural. Texas A&M's report found the Timpson's earthquakes were not natural, but instead man-made."

    Every other headline.. claiming that news about fracking causing earthquakes is fallacy.
    The headlines themselves lies.
     

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