Nuclear Engineer: Radioactive plumes always coming out of Fukushima Unit 3 — “Water is not getting to hotspots… it’s because of melted core” — Fission may be taking place underneath reactor (AUDIO)

Published: January 3rd, 2014 at 12:01 pm ET
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Published: January 3rd, 2014 at 12:01 pm ET
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209 comments to Nuclear Engineer: Radioactive plumes always coming out of Fukushima Unit 3 — “Water is not getting to hotspots… it’s because of melted core” — Fission may be taking place underneath reactor (AUDIO)

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    So let's work this out..
    I took it hard yesterday..for calling..evidence of increased emissions ..recriticalities?
    What shall we call these..incidences.
    I think that the corium is surrounded by pumice and other 'glass' type conditions of corium degradation..and every now and then the internal temperature reaches either a high or low that allows for cracking. This cracking..producing emissions

    PS…Not every now and then..always..we just see it when it is evident on the surface.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Corium, since it is formed from a critical mass of nuclear fuel, can form a critical mass itself."

    "The hot metal is very hot even for hot metal. When it comes into contact with normally non-volatile material, like concrete, the outgassing can cause explosive dispersal. The amount of dispersal is dependent on the amount of heat in the corium, and the outgassing potential of the material it comes into contact with. The dispersal energy would determine the size and scope of the environmental disaster.

    The other contributing factor would be the concentration of radioactive material in the ejecta. Most of the material in the corium blob would either be highly radioactive before entering into the blob, or become highly radioactive because it adsorbed neutrons from fuel material fission within the blob. Other material would become radioactive if it were dispersed with splatters from the blob.

    If corium is explosively dispersed it could become a very widespread problem. Corium is so hot that many materials interacting with it are melted into a glasslike or ceramic state. Much of this material is naturally friable. In addition to natural friability the highly radioactive material spontaneously degenerates, causing small-particle generating fractures. Even large chunks of ejecta can form small respiratable particles which easily disperse over enormous areas, or re-aerosolize."

    Corium

    March 14 2011

    http://adultonsetatheist.blogspot.com/2011/03/corium.html


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Hi HOTR, in your estimate, how much radiation do you think is being emitted into the atmosphere from 1,2,3 and 4 on a regular basis?
    We keep hearing about various specific situations, but what happens when you add them all together?


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  • VayaRider

    So not to get off topic (as if I can) but I was looking for a place to post this question.

    Has anyone seen this video over on The Daily Messenger blog.
    His resource are docs obtained through the freedom-of-information-act. Is there any way to verify this?????

    Unit 4 Cooling Pool does not exist!!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Bhy-ScQmo&feature=player_embedded


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  • VayaRider

    Sorry the headline is actually;

    The Fuel Pool at Unit 4 is non-existent……


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    HOT SPOTS WILL GROW AND GROW . . .

    As for how large, there's no way to put a limit on it.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What happens is.. I add them all together and start wondering about the other reactors that were reported damaged.

    Japan Nuke Agency: 14 reactors at 4 sites were affected on 3/11 — Fukushima Daiichi had most serious damage — Daini, Onagawa, and Tokai also

    March 7 2012

    http://enenews.com/us-commission-14-nuclear-reactors-at-4-sites-in-eastern-japan-were-affected-on-311-according-to-nisa-fukushima-daiichi-had-the-most-serious-damage-daini-onagawa-and-tokai-were-others

    Then my brain fries…then I go feed my horses.


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  • Sally Sally

    Now, this is very interesting stuff. If I recall, when they finally located the missing core at Chernobyl it had sealed itself in glass after burning through the concrete and hitting sand. And I believe that's pretty much the way they left it.

    I don't get Harris' allegation that steam is rising out of R3 constantly. What is he looking at? I am looking at TEPCO and JNN right now and there is no steam. 2014-01-04 03:02:38 JST. The views from both cameras are good. JNN has atmospheric pixellation that is homogenous across the entire screen. No steam. I check these things all the time and there is rarely any steam.

    Is there a steam-cam somewhere that I'm missing or is this more inter-choir fear-mongering?


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      It's always there to some degree..
      There is no impetus for 'it' to stop completely..at any point.
      But why worry about a little steam?

      red'n morning @ fukushima daiichi npp 2014/01/02

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EbrmCsCjo&feature=c4-overview&list=UU6ZrPUBOUZ71hBtQrsuyY6g

      When there is over-all emissions to consider..


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    • mairs mairs

      It depends on the atmosphere whether we can see emissions or not, but it's always emitting. That's what he means. Whether it's visible or not depends on the surrounding air conditions.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Not always..some of the webcam postings show..'smoke'.(corium dust)..this is not steam generated visuals..
        I will post an example later in the day..

        I find this interesting..

        First particles : White Smoke = vapor radionuclides which decay in a short time
        Second particle : Black Smoke = soot radionuclides mainly Alpha Rays close to the fuel.
        Third particle : Alpha Rays = fuel particles itself which splattered faster than sonic speed.

        “Fuel particles themselves must have been blown away” during Unit 3 explosion — Alpha particles “splattered faster than sonic speed”

        June 20 2012

        http://enenews.com/fuel-particles-themselves-must-have-been-blown-away-during-unit-3-explosion-alpha-particles-splattered-faster-than-sonic-speed


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          • Sally Sally

            Exactly. It's all rather circular, isn't it?

            How do you know what's going on inside R3? Well, b/c there's steam.

            Why do you say there's steam when I've been watching for hours and have not seen any sign of steam? Well, there must be steam b/c of what's going on inside R3. So it must be there even if you can't see it.

            Steam rises. If it's there, you'll see it. I don't see it, ergo it ain't there, regardless of what a bunch of people thousands of miles away think is going on inside R3. Amazing how people will ignore what their own eyes tell them b/c some expert says something different. The king's new clothes are beautiful.


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              How long have you been following the stories at this site? I'm sorry, but the "circular reasoning" thing just doesn't hold up if you're familiar with what has happened at the plant since 3/11 (or in fact since the Daichi plant was built).

              Of course, if you're only looking at Webcam documentation over a two week period (or so) you're going to come to the premature conclusion it's just circular reasoning.

              I suggest you go back and study what has happened at Reactor #3, then come back & ask some more questions. Don't mean to sound offensive, but I'm guessing you're not familiar with what happened at Reactor #3, when the reactor showed evidence of large amounts of smoke or steam coming out.

              Have you seen the pics and videos taken just after the detonation of Reactor #3 occurred? If you have reviewed those pics and videos closely, it should be clear to you the building & the reactor were completely wrecked, and a large amount of the spent fuel may be vaporized, as well.

              If you do a search in the upper rt. hand corner of the page, and use Reactor 3 as your search term, you should be able to get all kinds of good info. which will answer your questions. Or check out Nuckelchen's videos on YouTube. He has extensive video documentation of problems all over the Daichi plant.

              If you sit in front of the Tepco Webcams you may get bored to tears before some event or "evidence" to disprove circular reasoning occurs.


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Check out video evidence from June 10, 2011 Or it could have been June 12, 2011, then come back & say, "Howdy, I'm back."

                Sickputer posted a link to the video from June, 2011. If you have any doubt Reactor 3 has serious issues, watching that video should dispel any notions of #3 being a "non issue" once and for all.

                PART 1, and it gets good at about 5:20:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGkM_ZvFfAA

                And PART 2, which should dispel the "circular reasoning myth"

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaAHaPycZtE

                Note: there have been several events like this. The really fun ones are when the steam starts coming up out of cracks in the ground, and the light shows begin.


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              • Sally Sally

                Ho, thanks for the condescending reply. Yes, I've been here since the beginning. I was here when AG was spouting off about the only real problem being the SFP of R4 and about how a Ricther 7 would bring that pool down and the human species with it. So I have seen a lot of BS here.

                Unfortunately, you are not following the thread. Harris made the assertion that steam is constantly being released from R3 and I am saying that is not true. I am sitting here looking at the cams as I type this — no freakin' steam. (Although the cam just took a jolt.) Has steam been released? Yes, of course. Is it constantly being released? No, that is BS.

                The pic of the detonation on 3/11 has nothing to do with this issue, but thanks for asking. Yes, I've seen it all. You suggest I go back and review that? WTF? I suggest you stick with the thread and save us all a lot of wasted keystrokes.


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                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Not all emissions are visible. Some are smoke, some are steam. Not all are visible.

                  If you are aruging there isn't visiable steam all the time, well yes.

                  I thought that was obvious.

                  Guess I shouldn't have assumed anything, even if it appeared to be straightforward.

                  Thank you for correcting me. I need to be spanked now and then.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Sally, he said emissions are coming out constantly. Not steam. At least that was my first "read" based on the headline.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Plumes, not steam. Maybe you should re-read the headline again?


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Yes, I am following the thread. You are not. You are creating a distracting argument to draw attention away from the importance of what was said. And that was, there are plumes coming from #3 virtually non-stop.

          What you see or don't see coming from #3 on the webcams is kind of pointless in the context of the "plumes" coming from #3.

          Distract and divide. Works every time, except when people are paying attention.

          But oh, that was a great spanking. Thanks again.


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          • zogerke zogerke

            ho taters you are being crystal clear.


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            • zogerke zogerke

              what is reported above is: the guy says" you can see a plume of steam rising, it hasn't stopped since 2011'…i have not listened to the podcast, has anyone? statement at 32 minutes in.
              seems plausible to me that both plumes into the ocean and emissions into air have not stopped. would be illogical for them tohave- there are numerous melted down bodies of radioactive fuel releasing radiation to the surface, thru unprotected, damaged structures, and thru the water table and groundwater flow. of course it has not stopped. whether we see steam on the weirdly erratic web cams or not. how could it stop? it has never been in cold shutdown.


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              • Sally Sally

                Yes, I listened to this disgusting fear-mongering talk-radio crap and Harris clearly said that steam was rising from R3 and it's always been rising — pretty much as transcribed above. This guy Harris was talking about STEAM, as in S-T-E-A-M. That's what the thread is about. Condensed water vapor. Not plumes. Not emissions. Steam.

                And he's lying, as anyone knows who has watched the cams on a regular basis. I am watching at this very moment (2014-01-05 13:25:00 JST) there is no steam rising. I have not seen any steam all day. The guy is lying.

                It is not about "emissions" — emissions in this context is not steam and Harris didn't say emissions. Emissions are protons, neutrons, gamma rays (photons), etc. Steam is water. Not close.

                Ho tries to scramble this by talking about "plumes." The only plumes that are relevant are plumes of STEAM — and there are no CONSTANT plumes of steam for the last 3 years, so that is nonsense in support of nonsense, which is . . . you guessed it: nonsense.


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          • Sally Sally

            HO, pardon the earlier snarl. Just trying to take the BS outa' the B-logo-S-phere, one shovel full at at time, and you're putting it out faster than I can shovel.

            Speaking of BS, where are you going with this "plumes" thing? [Another snarl coming.] Are you seriously trying to distinguish "plumes" from "steam?" The only plumes issue here is steam. You are talking as much BS as Harris is. There is no constant steam rising from R3 or any reactor at Fuki, and calling the steam "plumes" doesn't change that. That is BS and you should be ashamed. Bad girl, bad boy . . . whatever. Stay after class and write on the board 500 times: "Bullshit is bad for the blogosphere." [We don't spank where I teach.]

            Harris was not talking about plumes of anything but steam — and he asserted plumes of steam have been coming out constantly, and I called him on it. That's the thread here. There is no contortion except you trying to shuffle plumes to mean . . . what? Plumes of protons? Nice try — nobody said anything about plumes of anything but steam.

            This is important b/c if the melt is into the water table, steam is being produced and is being trapped b/c it sure isn't venting like Harris says it is. If it's building up and blows, it'll be Katie bar the door. Now, that thought should put a smile on any chicken-little's face.


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    The nuclear fire is virtually invisible. When you see this steam it is related to the surounding humidity and nothing more. There are and will always be emissions from unit 3, 24-7 with no stop in sight.


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  • razzz razzz

    Without removing the lids on the containment shell then the lid on the reactor itself, no one knows where the melted fuel is exactly and you can't remove the lids unless containment is full of water to shield radiation. The containments leak and can't hold water. The nearest water levels seem to be in the basements around the suppression doughnuts. That's about a hundred feet from the top of the reactor vessel. A hundred feet that can't hold water even inside containment shells. They tried to flood the containments early on but it leaked out to the water table and into the Pacific and does so to this day.

    Melted fuel could be splattered around or partially melted fuel rods could still remain in the reactor, either way, enough to generate heat from decay alone and heat up surrounding surfaces where water could simmer away. Radiation exudes itself all around the site. Groundwater is irradiated, buildings are irradiated, wreckage laying around is irradiated, dust is irradiated. The background levels at the site continue to rise and if they rise to much the site becomes unworkable. The rise in radiation is due to no containment.

    Chernobyl must not have much of the fuel core left or the melts left behind would be much hotter radiation wise. Means most of the fuel left the building during the explosion and resulting 10 day fire. Like Daiichi, they probably know how much fuel left the building and how much remains but they aren't saying.


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  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    do not worry, tepoco said it
    cold shutdown = burns slowly until all split and emitted.
    it does not matter whether via air or ground or water.
    it comes out.
    till complete all the modulated Neutron are one the way


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  • nohobear nohobear

    Something definitely seems to have changed at Fukushima. Lots more, pardon the pun, leakage of truth and half truths coming out now. The visible steam releases of the last week are very troubling. I wonder if a plume is hitting the West Coast right now.

    On a purely anecdotal note, anyone else noticing an uptick in people complaining of fatigue, headaches, general unwellness in the southern california area the last 3 days? Oh, and it may be totally unrelated, but the chem trail sprayers were back in the sky today full force, and turned what should have been a cloudless blue sky day into 95% hazy cloud cover over the entire LA basin. Chem trails actually have a lot in common with radiation caused sickness. Both can be hidden in plain sight.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      Waves of high rads are setting my alarm off every 10 minutes or so the last 0 days or so. One wave 2 nights back was very strong, and was accompanied by a smell like metal being welded, and a sick wave of nausea we both felt. I had skull cancer surgery about a year ago, so nausea is no stranger. But this was different like an arsenic poison cramp. I know because I used to eat Costco's rotisserie cooked "arsnickens" before I discovered I had cancer. We live in the Spring Mts of S Nevada @ 4000 feet. Many people here are just plain not who they used to be. They have aged a lot in 3 years many are young but now are tired looking bedraggled overworked shells of their former selves. And of course I am the idiot when I try to tell them what is causing it. Don't matter that I have a PhD. They have no respect because we are minimalists, and do not hoard or have vested interests in Earth trashing. We stopped going to church, because we got tired of people bragging they run 30 miles, hiked up a 12k foot tall Mountain etc. all the while out breathing hot particals. Makes my wife & I wanna puke.
      And the black micro dust, it is everywhere, you cant clean this stuff up no matter what, it's ionic "attraction" for lack of a better word, sticks to surfaces like glue! Many say it is rad eating bacteria, others say it's Bucky balls. All agree its a pain to have on,(sticks to paint) in, or around your home.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Intreresting you mentioned headaches and fatigue. Here in Albuqerque (at least until they switch the monitor off like they did in Denver?)the last spike went above 1,000 CPM!

      My husband and I have been over-tired for a long time. But just a couple of weeks back, I noticed that every time I did dusting in the house (and we do keep the window closed), I would get a light headache, which I am no usually prone to at all. And I thought at first, o.k., no big deal, but then I found that each and every time I dusted (and you really have to in NM), I got a slight headache! So for lack of any other explanation, we think it's the radioactivity that condenses in the dust.


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  • Tiza Tiza

    Okay, here's the deal. I'm not against nuclear plants, per se, but what I am against is mankind not having enough common sense to think out a plan to begin with, whereby they have a place to put the nuclear waste, which they truly never have had a place. So it may sound confusing to you, but that makes me against mankind having nuke plants. Because they don't have a true plan. Period. No true plan where to put the wastes.

    Then, on top of that, mankind apparently is not smart enough to build them away from seismic zones where earthquakes are extremely prone to happen day in and day out. In all truth, an earthquake can happen anywhere on earth, but there are places where they happen all the time.

    Here's the deal. Mankind was given rulership of the earth. That means that he can be a caretaker and also be the "ruler" of the earth at the same time.

    Then why aren't the guys who have studied this stuff and are physicists, scientists, etc., ruling this? Are they too tied up into the red tape that the companies that they work for give to them to do? Are they not allowed to use their creativity to produce a remedy to this situation?

    Think about it now. I think they're being told what to do, what not to do and not being allowed to think.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Tiza, you are "not against nuclear plants per se" WHY?? There was NEVER any plan. And they did not even think they needed one, because it was NEVER about "Atoms for Peace." It was about NPP's being handmaidens of the defense industry, enriching uranium for nuclear bombs.

      They never had any INTEREST in resolving the matter of nuclear waste because public safety was never the thing — it was about building bombs!!

      You think that this is about "creativity versus red tape"? It's ALL A FIXED DECK. And good God, you think they are just being "told what to do"? If the engineeers actually DO think, and they start caring about public safety over profits, then they WHISTLEBLOW. Then sometimes they get killed, like Karen Silkwood.

      You probably mean well, but you need to get less naïve quite quickly. Get OFF the fence of being "not opposed to nuclear plants, per se." There is no "per se" here!!!


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      • Tiza Tiza

        We Not They Finally

        Didn't you read my post? I said this, … but what I am against is mankind not having enough common sense to think out a plan to begin with, whereby they have a place to put the nuclear waste, which they truly never have had a place. So it may sound confusing to you, but that makes me against mankind having nuke plants. Because they don't have a true plan. Period. No true plan where to put the wastes.

        Mankind has never truly thought out a plan to begin with, so therefore, I am against nuke plants. Reread my post, please. Before they built the first one, there should have been the plan to dispose of nuke wastes in place. It's not the scientists that are faulty here. It's probably their bosses. Those in science probably had a good plan, but they were now allowed to carry it out because of greedy bosses. I know how that works.

        Physicists, various scientists, etc., many of them are extremely creative people, but they are never allowed to practice their creativity. Why do I know this? I personally know a physicist who quit this practice because he wasn't allowed to use his mind, so he went into another field.

        Then again, why even think of having one? Doesn't make sense to me anyway because there's plenty of things in the earth that were put here by Yahweh to help us with fuel and stuff. Done right, it is extremely beneficial.


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Also something I've always wondered about especially recently (last 25 years). Complete and total lack of any plans for mitigating the human and environmental effects of technological waste. Examples are numerous and growing. Cadmium telluride, a common material used in solar panel, is an extreme toxin to the environment, humans and is a carcinogen. It's one of the most toxic substances known. And what do you think is going to happen to all the old panels? They'll end up in people's landfills. Bet on it. And California wants every rooftop covered in panels. The EPA wants to allow highly radioactive material to be sent to regular landfills – unlicensed, unregulated regular ol' landfills. http://www.rocketdynecleanupcoalition.org/groups-sue-to-stop-ssfl-radioactive-waste-from-going-to-unlicensed-dumps/
      Research the San Susana Rocketdyne Boeing cleanup crime against humanity with EPA taking public money for cleanup plan with defined results and then backing out at the last minute to follow through on those results. Forcing people to sue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSu5DS3SgAc
      How about the EPA dramatically increasing radiation safety levels to the point of negating the need for any safety levels at all in their Protection Action Guidlines (PAG). The fact that Japan is selling Vietnam the same deadly nuclear technology with no safety requirments that the Vietnamese must agree to if they want the money from Japanese banks to pay for the nuke plants. WTF!


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      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        And the list goes on and on and on. Now the kicker. When you need medical attention, at least in the US, good f'n luck. The gov't will insure those with questionable backgrounds (bitched about all this) won't be getting any treatment. Bet on it. The food chain is completely poisoned. The air, the water. Crops covered in hot particles nicely encased in what one termed "weaponized" bucky balls. Insuring the particles don't clump so the dispersal is as broad as possible. Think about it. They've got all the windows and doors covered and are setting fire to the house and we're all in it. If you think about all this there's only one conclusion you can come to: planned human extinction. Nothing else makes sense. Everyone makes mistakes, like plowing the Titanic carelessly through the night when there's icebergs around. But these bastards are drilling holes in all the lifeboats. Sorry to come off like an alarmist but this is pissing me off.


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  • tsfw tsfw

    "Did you know that the Spiderwort plant is Nature’s gieger counter? This plant naturally has very dark purple flowers and when they are exposed to radiation or near an area where radiation is high, the flowers turn pink. Planting these in your yard will be a great way to know if you are taking in excess radiation."

    Finally a geiger I can read!

    http://readynutrition.com/resources/are-you-ready-series-nuclear-disaster-preparedness_08082012/


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  • AlexfromNB

    Perhaps someone wise can educate me…
    If the coriums in units 1, & 3 have melted through their containments, and there is absolutely no prospect or manner for retrieval, and they keep producing airborne radionuclides, why doesn't it make sense to seal up the ground where they have entered with boron, concrete, a massive amount of rock, sealed with another layer of cement? What good does it do to destroy the Pacific Ocean by simply pouring unlimted anounts of water over the cores into eternity? If you can't get under them, why not at least stop the radiation from entering the atmosphere? Thanks.


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    • tarpus

      That, Alex is the $10,000 question. Your guess is as good as mine. I think you will get your answer when I get mine answered… WTF is wrong with people? As Jimmy from South Park would say, "I mean,come on". What good does it do me to hide from this stuff when it's everywhere?
      Any aliens out there tonight come pick me up PLEASE. I can cook, clean, anything you want. Just get me off of this place and out of the solar system…


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  • Sickputer

    Lots of offtopic and detractive comments, but that's life on an Internet news forum.

    A couple of observations on the topic as most of this corium news is very well-worn discussions. But to have steam and heat rising from nuclear reactor buildings that are destroyed the evidence in the sky speaks volumes.

    Intense radioactive heat is still rising into the jetstream above the crippled megaplex and has been for 147 weeks (1030 days). At times it has been enormous station whiteouts with zero visibility. At times it has been dark emissions, other times white steam-like emissions.

    Many times there is not much visible in the form of steam or vapor, but the camera records pixellated patterns especially at night that is definitely not normal air conditions.

    Then we come to the cumulus clouds which pass over the plant on regular occasions. These low-lying atmospheric puffy white clouds travel from off-plant and regularly pass over the megaplex at different speeds and different altitudes.

    Innumerable daytime camera views recorded at 20X speed and posted on Youtube as Fukulive1 show the sudden dissolving of cumulus clouds as they passed over Units 1-4. In many cases completely disappeared from view before they exited the camera view. Intense rising heat could be the only explanation for that phenomena.

    Refission was predicted long ago by Tacomagroove who took a rough ripping by early Enenews pro nuclear trolls. Like a slinky on an endless staircase…never stops.


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  • RJ RJ

    It's telling that Russia is leading the call of importance on Fukushima. America(gov)…go FUCK yourselves.


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  • ftlt

    I really think this fact has been lost in the shuffle… It is not just the radioactive waters..

    I would think, ALL of the damaged units have never stopped cooking and spewing radiation into the atmosphere …

    Wonder, how many other units around EQ damaged Japan are also leaking radioactive materials since the 3/11 event.


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  • ftlt

    The Japanese people and wildlife not only just keep on getting re-dosed by the old toxic material – bu,t with new stuff all the time too.

    ******(Yes, I realize this goes worldwide… It is just the poor Japanese are so much more affected than other peoples are..)


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    • tbg

      What do you mean? If you watch futuba web cam, and see every time the wind blows the clouds out to sea all day, instead of back towards the plant, those particles are leaving japan and coming to america.

      Then its a 36-96 hour express flight to vbc/seattle, and to a lesser degree, california 1000+ miles south. I wish somebody would take a geiger counter to the shores and coastlines in washington, since we get the jetstream (and currents) from japan as a standard, and not a north/south deviation from the norm.

      I feel for the japanese, they are being poisoned and betrayed by their government but so are we, I feel for us all. When that shit leaves japan, it comes right here, often without ever touching japan. Perhaps they should stop ignoring organized crime at high levels in their corporations and politics. Naah, its like the government tells the people about radiation. What problem?

      Of course its easy for me to cast stones, Sarah Palin could see japan from here. Too bad I cant cast some of this plutonium on the ground here into a magic skipping stone, then I could skip it back across the ocean to them. Assuming there's any left not interned in peoples lungs.


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      • ftlt

        TGB: Yes the greater percentage goes off-shore eastward.. But a good percentage still falls onto Honshu close by and in higher concentrations… Check out the wind pattern maps… They are shifting all the time… Following 3/11, we were hit bad by the prevailing winds of that time of year there (guite lucky for Japan or it would have been even more super horrible then)… The winds differ around the calendar… This thing has been spewing nuke poopoo everyday since 3/11…

        When the winds go westward, they really dump the FUFU POOPOO right there in Japan as they they tend to be more mixed and the mountains/uplands catch them… See the mixing n the maps


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  • The steam from reactor three is of little concern to me. The real issue is the melted cores disolving into the ocean. Not to say constant airborne releases of radiation is acceptable. Just poisoning the Pacific is worse. What caused the triple meltdown?
    Its a no-brainer. Politicians who get paid to look after the public interest actually get bribed or otherwise coerced to look after big business interests first. Allowing Tepco to build several reactors on an earthquake prone area and a tsunami prone area and on a underground river/aquifier and by the sea is a recipe for disaster. Dont blame a predictable natural disaster, blame short sighted greedy politicians wooed with hookers
    and blow. There are too many of those all over especially in USA.


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  • I mean too many greedy politicians. Lots of trolls on this thread. When things get personal like how dare you say that about me type of thing that is a troll. Anyone dissing wikipedia is a troll. Wikipedia does not rely on paid advertising and does rely on crowd sourced info and editting. Anyone can participate and once when looking up cold shutdown Fukushima was cited as an example i registered and had that comparison edditted out. The powers that be always discredit wikipedia. I recognize it is not perfect but still far more credible then Fox news. Lies are everywhere. Fukushima is the worlds worse industrial accident ever and the only triple meltdown plus unit four spent fuel pool issue. Rather then focus on how what and if mechanics of what is actually happening on site we all should be questioning the motives of the world leaders especially O'bummer who ignore the problem and worse allow radiated food to be eaten by citizens. It is clear massive radiation is leaking into the enviroment and nothing is being done. This is criminal. This is environmental terrorism.


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    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      This how TPTB wants us to behave

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82uAPgvuaBE


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    • zogerke zogerke

      i'm not a troll and i have criticized wikopedia on here. i use it, at the same time, it's an easy way to get quick info..its just that there are other better sources, and wikopedia is sometimes controlled to spin info- friends of mine have NOT been able to always change things towards truth. Truth is nuanced.


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      • Zogerke, in what context were you critical? And please would love a link to a better alternative then wikipedia. Poor spelling is another Troll Trait. However poor spelling and critical of Wikipedia does not usually preclude one to Troll status. Most posters here though seem to be above average intelligence, spelling isn't an issue and criticizing Wikipedia doesn't seem to be much of a priority given the serious nature of the subject matter at hand. So what context and when where on enenews did you feel moved to criticize Wikipedia? Discussion of spent fuel pools? Disolving of triple melted through containment cores? Or was it the brilliant hadling of this issue by superstar O'Bummer?


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        • Sorry tiny keyboard of android phone coupled with small screen mixed with aged hands and eyes make for less then perfect posts. Should say dissolving into the ocean melted through containment triple cores of ruined nuclear complex, or the handling of the issue by superstar "black is beautiful" O'Bummer. Is there room in this conversation to criticize Wikipedia?


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        • zogerke zogerke

          hi mark. to provide the answer of your Q with context here- as well as i am able, not having immediate access to my earlier entries- there was a thread yesterday (?) where socref answered someone's (mine? anne's? madjia's?) request for scientific information about a claim he made, with a wikipedia link….and i felt that – if he (or anyone) was making a strong scientific argument, it deserved more than one wikipedia reference- something more substantial and cross referenced . Aldo, as I said, whilke i use wikipedia as a shortcut often; educated friends of mine have had problems postig information on wikipedia to correct other's misinformation; when the issue at hand has been 'political'. And so while I use wikipedia myself it is only my starting poiunt, if i really want to learn i dig deeper and check sources myself, and look for cross referenced verification. And to poor spelling, many are guilty of that, including me- it could be clumsy fingers or auto correct; it could be dyslexia, it could be lack of a higher education in english language skills. to me that doesn't define a shill or a troll- the CONTENT of the post and the repeated direction revealed in threads is what – to me- reveals a shill or troll.


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          • zogerke zogerke

            aldo = also
            whilke = while
            postig = posting
            poiunt – point


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          • True that. But I am curious if you have a better source then Wikipedia or are you simply stating do more research then simply searching on Wikipedia?


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            • zogerke zogerke

              mark sorry just saw this. no. no better general source. like anyone else i am just clicking around on the web like crazy and researching like an obsessed maniac, for this whole industrial catastrophe is a train wreck i cannot look away from. i don't have a one stop information source to recommend- i am learning from folks posting on here, i check out snopes to try and debunk some stuff, i try and read other non related posts when i am directed to a web site (to ascertain general veracity and perspectives), i look at the 'about' link on new sites to find out how people describe themselves…..personally (and no offense to many here) i am not there on the religious angle, the extra terrestials angle, the government takeover angle….i do think that corporations and oil have (as in the past) derailed democracy and i believe our basic rights are being eroded by surveillance….. and it takes great courage to dig at and name what appears to be the truth. and the truth is multi layered. and bull #$%^&* BS is BS….


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  • pkjn

    Google Trends shows more and more Japanese searching the words “Heart” and “Hurt”
    December 30th, 2013 Fukushima Diary
    The words “Heart, Hurts” are searched on google increasingly frequently, according to one of the google services called “Google Trends“.
    From the study of Chernobyl such as Yury Bandazhevsky from Belarus, Cesium-134/137 are known to accumulate in heart muscles to cause cardiac disease.
    (cf, 20,000 Bq/body from a man in Fukushima)
    The analysis (as the graph below) shows the trend picked up in mid 2011, and it still keeps increasing.
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/12/google-trends-shows-more-and-more-japanese-searching-the-words-heart-and-hurt/
    http://www.google.co.jp/trends/explore#q=%E5%BF%83%E8%87%93%E3%80%80%E7%97%9B%E3%81%84


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Pkjn, Very astute on your part and yes this will move world side as the radiation contamination makes its way around the globe. The same negative heart behaviors occurred after Chernobyl and it was world wide depending on how the persons exposure to contamination was encountered.a it followed the Jet Streams. Women I believe will be negatively affected sooner than the men… :(

      Excellent! :)


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Japan seems to have billions for their war machine, I have yet to see the Japanese Government report or show up at Fukushima, they supposedly took over a few monts ago. All I have witnesed or seen the the cranes go down since they again supposedly took over. Oh thats right , almost forgot about the ten year sentences for anyone caught talking about it. Guess they accomplished something after all. Hitler would be proud……………………….

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/04/japan-vs-china-tensions-rise-and-the-race-to-arms.aspx


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The spewing plant needs to be dealt with before Japan and the U.S. become wastelands.


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    • Tiza Tiza

      Yep, I do agree with that. I think it's just going to get much worse, though, until more listen, but I do think more really are starting to wake up about all of this.


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      • Sol Man

        They are already wastelands where people have given up their natural sovereignty as a member of the human community in trade for the corporate supplied cash flow paid in blood money. So decisions are made to create greater flow of money not necessarily to make better situations for people, or their very own children.

        More money (federal reserve notes- proofs of debt) does not equal greater quality. Mildly O/T.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Sadly the volume of sea snot already states/depicts that we humans have certainly created a biological wasteland! :(

      It is time to ban all these Nuclear Power Plants from the surface of this planet!

      We certainly have reached a tipping point and are now running out of time.. :(


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  • 16Penny 16Penny

    Here's a great read for all you late nighters:

    "According to this report, MoD “assests” associated with the Red Banner Pacific Fleet detected two “low-level” underground atomic explosions occurring in the Fukushima disaster zone on 31 December, the first measuring 5.1 magnitude in intensity, followed by a smaller 3.6 magnitude explosion moments later."

    "With experts now estimating that the wave of radiation from Fukushima will be 10-times bigger than all of the radiation from the entire world’s nuclear tests throughout history combined, and with new reports stating that dangerous radiation levels have been detected in snows found in Texas, Colorado and Missouri, this MoD report warns the US, indeed, is going to face the severest consequences of this historic, and seemingly unstoppable, nuclear disaster."

    and many more wow paragraphs.

    Posted for admin under news tips, check your mail.

    Beginning of article touches on Russia's new information restrictions regarding FUKU.

    http://www.eutimes.net/2014/01/underground-nuclear-explosion-at-crippled-japan-atomic-plant-shocks-world/


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Ok ..today I'm calling out Mochizuki-Fukushima Diary

    "Have we actually found anything from webcam for these 3 years ? NOTHING (except for the fog from the sea). It’s so carefully installed that we can’t see anything."

    [Column] Reactor3 hoax and Fukushima exploiters

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/01/column-reactor3-hoax-and-fukushima-exploiters/

    Is he out of his flipping mind?

    Here ..Fukushima fog…behind this are hundreds of webcam clips ..showing emissions directly from the reactors.

    Fukushima Fog

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVrMlBS50s

    PS..He should leave it to others ..that evidently understand weather patterning in have a better handle at visual interpretation.
    He is insulting the hard work of Nuckelchen,,and the other webcam watchers.
    I ask that he cease.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS. Date for last link ..May 11 2011


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    WHAT DOES IT TAKE ..a clear night in June?

    Night Pan of Fukushima Daiichi Site Zoom on Reactor 4 TEPCO TBS Livecam Simulcast 6 3 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEInqy1W1Ro


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  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Procol Harum – A Whiter Shade Of Pale

    The Fukushima update (made it up)

    We skipped the safety fandango
    Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
    I was feeling kinda seasick
    But the crowd called out for power
    The plant was humming harder
    As the ceiling blew away
    When we called out for another lie
    And the waiter brought a tray

    And so it was that later
    As the miller told his tale
    That her face, at first just ghostly,
    Turned a whiter shade of pale

    She said, "There is no reason
    And the truth is plain to see."
    But I wandered through my fuel rods
    And they would not let her be
    One of sixteen roentgen virgins
    Who were leaving for the coast
    And although my eyes were open wide
    They might have just as well been closed

    And so it was that later
    As the miller told his tale
    That her face, at first just ghostly,
    Turned a whiter shade of pale

    She said, "I'm here on a shore leave,"
    Though we were miles at sea.
    I pointed out this detail
    And forced her to agree,
    Saying, "You must be the mermaid
    Who took King Abe for a ride."
    And she smiled at me so sweetly
    That my anger straightway died.

    And so it was that later
    As the miller told his tale
    That her face, at first just ghostly,
    Turned a whiter shade of pale

    If music be the food of love
    Then laughter is it's queen
    And likewise if behind is in front
    Then nuclear in truth is clean
    My mouth by then like zeolite
    Seemed to slip straight through my head
    So we crash-dived straightway…


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  • Nick

    In our own thoughts, I imagine folks silently wishing for a happy ending to this nightmare.

    Somehow, someone will ride to the rescue and glassify the site with super nano-laced silicarbide filaments.

    It ain't gonna happen.

    Not today. Not tomorrow. Not for a thousand years.

    Try that on for reality folks.


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