Published: May 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm ET
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Fukushima Daiichi: The Truth and the Future
Fairewinds Energy Education
May 12, 2012
As part of a presentation in Kansai, Japan on May 12th 2012, Maggie and Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds Energy Education answered specific questions asked by symposium organizers regarding the condition of the spent fuel pool at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4. Fairewinds analyzes the explosion at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3. Also, Arnie discusses what the future may hold for Japan if it chooses a path without nuclear power.
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Early on in the accident there is some video that shows the top of the fuel racks were exposed to air [...] the top of the nuclear fuel was exposed to air, and I think the photos show that.
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The fuel pool can boil locally… even though the bulk temperature of the pool could be at 80C. In portions of the pool it could be boiling
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My theory is I do believe the entire [No. 4 spent fuel] pool had drained to the point where there was boiling occurring.
Gundersen’s video about the exposed fuel racks from last March 2011:
Published: May 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm ET
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We are trying to appeal to the U.S. government to support Japan in cleaning up Fukushima.
We are particularly concerned about Spent Fuel Pool 4. We believe the UN should be involved, but this petition is geared toward U.S. citizens to press our government, specifically, because our officials only (supposedly) listen to their "constituents" — or so we were told.
Please go to "change.org" and type in the website's search engine:
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Please sign and circulate this petition, as best you can. Post the petition on social media (Facebook, Tumblr, etc) to help us get the word to others.
Our goal is to gain signatures, have signers call all senators on the 2 energy committees (that control interactions with Japan, regarding Fukushima)–then, meet with several senators, present information and petition. We are bringing expert witnesses.
Please help us circulate this petition and join our call campaign! Thank you.
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Good work, lad.
Signed.
Here's another petition that needs our signing:
http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5502/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=10645
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I like Arnie, but why put a MONEY price tag on it more than once! Life is priceless shut down nuclear power now!
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Yeah really… Nuclear energy would bankrupt the Earth and the 10 nearest asteroids if the truth were known publicly.
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Anybody know Rod Adam? He is slamming Arnie and Alex at
http://www.asianweek.com/2012/05/14/rod-adams-slams-atomic-arnie-alex-jones-fukushima-unit-4-plumegate-apocalypse/
If anybody is interested in commenting.
Warning, I got a virus alert, but avast had no problem with it.
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no virus warning here.. (also using avast). the article has some degree of clear description of the state of the reactors. but he calls everyone truthers, as if it's derogatory.
and he still supports nukes (fool).
but his blog is wide open for comments, so dive in folks, tell it like it is, there's another forum to hammer with anti-nuke truth.
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Hell yes, Rod Adams. What a tool. He showed up briefly here at enenews some months ago, got some good punches and left for good
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Different issue, but some of the posters at the UC Berkeley Nuclear Engineering Lab (BRAWN) site are saying if SFP #4 collapses, the radiation would "disperse" and only cause a 0.015% increase in background radiation!
They are saying it would therefore be harmless.
Yikes!
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Perhaps theUC lab can testing rats from all over the West Coast
to ascertain the levels of contamination and extrapolae to humans.
be more interesting than their banana and airplane comparisons.
MAYBE THAT WAY WE CAN ASCERTAIN WHEN ARNIE SAYS THE
NOBLE GAS CLOUDS OVER THE NORTHWEST ARE FAR WORSE THAN
ANTICIPATED JUST HOW BAD IT IS.
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Though spooked by new threats, Japanese accept mass killers
NATURAL SELECTIONS
By ROWAN HOOPER Sunday, May 13, 2012
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fe20120513rh.html
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WELL!! ISN'T that SPECIal!
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This is not new information
We know from the NRC transcripts and reports in the news media that spent fuel pool #4 lost water and burned for at least awhile last March
Furthermore, the IEAE reported it. [Please note that these links have since been taken down. How is that for transparency.]
On the morning of Tue March 15, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a statement warning that the Japanese authorities had reported a fire in spent fuel pool #4.
Here is a quote: "Japanese authorities also today informed the IAEA at 03:50 UTC that the spent fuel storage pond at the Unit 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was on fire and radioactivity was being released directly into the atmosphere." [end quote]
At the time of these reports, dose rates of up to 400 millisievert per hour were reported at the site. Japanese authorities stated that the the fire in the pool was caused by a hydrogen explosion. (http://www.iaea.org/press/?p=1248)
The fuel pool fire was reportedly extinguished later on March 15 (IAEA http://www.iaea.org/press/p=1252).
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However, Jim Riccio, a nuclear expert for Greenpeace, reported on March 16 to The Guardian that the spent fuel pool at unit 4 was still boiling: "The spent fuel pool in unit 4 is boiling, and once that starts you can't stop it… The threat is that if you boil off the water, the metal cladding on the fuel rods that is exposed to the air, and is volatile, will catch fire. That will propel the radiation even further"
(cited in Goldenberg, 2011 3/16). Goldenberg, Suzanne. “Japan Nuclear Crisis: Fire in fuel pools 'would raise radiation exposure'. The guardian (2011, March 16):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/16/japan-nuclear-fire-fuel-pools-radiation
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I'm not criticizing Enenews Administrator
And I'm not implying that Arnie shouldn't be telling the public that this happened.
However, because it is not new information it may cause people to think that spent fuel pool 4 is more stable than it is.
No I don't know what the status of the pool is but my bet is it is no longer intact.
Even if 4 is intact, spent fuel pool ain't…(my opinion)
http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/post-3-unanswered-questions-and-some.html
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that is, spent fuel pool 3
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The amount of remaining fuel in Unit 3 is a question unanswered for publication by Tepco. They surely have a fairly good idea, but they aren't sharing. So in my opinion their silence probably means well over 50% of the fissile and spent fuel at Unit 3 has been expelled, either by the huge blast, by melt-out, or by air emissions. Maybe much more than 50%, but I think there is substantial tonnage left active.
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I wrote a letter to Stephen Hawking today (in my idle moments):
http://genuinewitty.com/2012/05/13/arnie-gundersen-discusses-the-fatal-risks-of-fukushima-fuel-pools/#comment-2834
(Actually Michio Kaku might be a better candidate).
It asks whether in fact we have completely annihilated ourselves already. I'm thinking of:
1. There is no safe level of radiation.
2. Low levels can be worse than high levels.
Worthy of some meditation perhaps ….
☺
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn7-fVtT16k
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@ Pu 239– Brilliant. Yes, do send to Michio.
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Where is the SFP4 now? I cannot see it.
http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=4&Itemid=193
It is hollow in the top right corner of the R4. Yesterday there was a discussion here on this topic. I keep checking it for the past 24 hrs and it seems that SFP4 collapsed. That corner of R4 seems to be completely hollow. Can someone tell me what I am thinking wrong? If it has collapsed then there should be some fire – but we cannot see any now.
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That debate is ongoing also.
The recent images suggest that the pool in 4 is gone.
4 is a blackened wreck with half the building (seemingly) utterly demolished
If spfp 4 is indeed gone, then my guess is that industrial light plus loops in the day TECO webcam have blinded us to the fire.
In that case, the warning about 4 may be a coded of way of stating aloud that it happened and alerting the world about that
On the other hand, some suggest that the rods were moved
or that the pool remains somewhere intact on a lower level of the building
Lots of interpretations…
Eventually the truth will out for those looking for it…
Let us hope it doesn't "out" in an empirically destructive expression.
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Thanks Majia.
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A few days ago I seen what looked like a large black box suspended from the right side of #4. I have said before I haven't seen any comments on it. About 8X the size of a eighteen wheeler trailer.
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Is it possible that they took the entire SFP4 out of the building? How big is the SFP4? I thought it is huge.
If it is removed it would explain the hollow space there and the lack of any emergency/fire.
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The pool is a part of the building, reinforced concrete 2ft thick 45ft tall and hopefully full of water. 1500 fuel assemblies and the fueling crane that fell inside. At least 300 tons altogether.
http://chong.zxq.net/misc/events/SpentFuelPool.htm
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Thanks Sharp – I bookmarked it. It's a very useful document.
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majia, the suggestion by Potrblog that barium-140 is present in the air leads one to believe that the pool may have overflowed or collapsed. This isotope is released in a significant way from a bubbling corium-concrete mixture, not necessarily by just a criticality.
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I've been waiting for Potr blog's video Bobby1-is it up now?
The question is, how about is it going to be, folks?
One of speakers at the New York conference (May 4)said he just did not know what is going to happen (Enenews has the link).
He knows how bad it is and he implied by his comments that a lot has gone up!
It is going to be a big experiment, at our cost.
And most of our politicians either haven't been informed, or are afraid to tell us.
[Professor Koide claimed the following: 1331 assemblies = 5000 X as much cesium-137 as released by Hiroshima (he said Hiroshima was 89 terabecquerels of cesium-137)]
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majia, the Potrblog site says "missing plug-in" where the video should be. Maybe it's just me.
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Here is a good link.
Thanks for the heads up and explanation of the significance of this Bobby1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwR25EvJQkM&list=UUQ7a7Q4EN-OY1mdyanRs-3w&index=1&feature=plcp
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Between # 3&4 is what it looked like. You can see it here. I'm not 100% sure if it is the same box. http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=4&Itemid=193
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Interesting
However, I don't believe fuel rods from 4 are in that box for 1 simple reason.
If Tepco had been able to achieve that feat, we would have heard all about it.
It would be Tepco's greatest, and only, accomplishment at the site as far as I can tell…
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I just was stating my observation, maybe not at all related. Whats in the black box?
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maybe radioactive debris?
what is left of 3 and 4 spread all over the ground perhaps?
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CB – assuming that you are right and checking the webcam gain, they probably did slide the SFP4 down to the left. It would be the smart way of doing it – just create rails to slide it down.
I do agree with Majia – they would've claimed credit for it. Their PR machine would be all over the MSM. Also the presence of the short-lived Barium isotope is very troubling and indicative of trouble. It takes about two to three days for particles to reach USA via the jet stream.
This is a mystery. I am glad I checked your posts yesterday that alerted me to this.
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TraderGreg, I'm not saying this is what happened, but just noting my observations. From the North east cam of the SFP#4, I saw a large rectangular vessel next to #4. It looked suspended and close to the top of #4 SFP. That is all I am saying. The black box now in between #3 and #4 looks similar to what I have seen possibly suspended next to #4. Does anyone have saved video?
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Did not Arnie say that when these fuel rods start burning when there is no water on them that
they cannot be put out by water. Is there not a contradiction here. If those rods exposed caught
fire in March of 2011 would they not have burned down completely in the pool even if there
was still water in there? Would not the molten mass also have burned through the concrete
and now become a corium blob under 4? Perhaps SFP4 no longer exists? We are being told
it does. WHERE IS THE PROFF?
PERHAPS AS TACOMAGROVE SAID EARLIER, THIS IS A SMOKESCREEN FOR OTHER
CRITICALITIES AT THE COMPLEX, or there are other installations not mentioned that are
in danger as well. Where is the barium coming from? What installation has gone critical
recently? At Fukushima or elsewhere?
Still too many unknowns. Tepco and the U.S. Government knows. We the people do not!
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Nuclear Expert: Fukushima releases are equal to or greater than Chernobyl — Radioactive noble gas clouds over US Northwest much worse than ever anticipated (VIDEO)
Headline from an earlier post. GUNDERSEN IS LIKE ALAN GREENSPAN IN THAT HE IS
SPEAKING IN CODE.
Lets assume that Tepco and the US Energy Department know the true situation at
Fukushima. Arnie is their togo guy allowing him to be thier spokesperson in an
unofficial way. The government would of shut him down by now if they wanted to.
Long Live Arnie. we do need him . As we can read his code it gives us more pieces
to put into this nuclear jig saw puzzle.
I totally agree with the incredible insightful commentary Majia wrote last night.
Go read it!
This headline of RADIOACTIVE NOBLE GAS CLOUD
Guess what; code to tranquilize and allay immediate fear. Brilliant!
He is a nuclear insider wordsmith. Love that Noun NOBLE. 'We are all
being blessed by this wonderful NOBLE fallout at astronomically high milliserverts
per hour. What is this, a peak nuclear experience. Blessed by radiation. Wonderful.
Now we are being told it is much worse than anticipated.
Now how come is it much worse?. By how much?. Where are the readings please?.
Open the envelop and tell us more.! Could it be much worse because SFP4 has burned,
and smoked emitting as much as 400 milliserverts an hour. A DEADLY NOBLE INVISIBLE
DEATH CLOUD. Is that how come it is worse! Tell us more about that farm in…
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Noble gases is a chemistry term.
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Sam, I'm not disputing it's bad the noble gas clouds came out of the plants. Arnie has said the noble gas levels were incredibly high. He never said it wasn't of great concern.
Just saying, noble gas is a chemistry term which has been around a long time, not a nuke wordsmith play!
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Sam, when I had an opportunity to ask Arnie some questions when he appeared via video conference at the Seattle Physicians for Social Responsibility event in Seattle this past March, I included the information in my question to him about the noble gases being detected by the Pacific Northwest Labs in their report which found we were breathing in 40,000 times background. (I was not sure if he had already had this information, as I hadn't heard him discuss it previously.)
He responded with his "Seattle was breathing in hot particles" talk, and also mentioned that the fallout is "in our food" but that there would not be much found in our water, "too low levels from being diluted" so not worth testing for in drinking water.
Noble gases are indeed what things like Xenon-135, which the PNW Labs detected, are called. But my question is: when the noble gas plume arrived, what ELSE was in that plume besides these gases? Arnie did mention "hot particles" in his answer to my question about the Xenon-135 plume…
Seems to me that, because they are relatively short-lived, the gvt. has no problems admitting the noble gases were detected. But how much of the other, more harmful stuff like I-131, uranium, plutonium or strontium, etc. was also in that plume? And why is no one talking about them?
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Arnie is a great guy and all, but we need to get real.
Arnie, makes it very clear in this video that:
1)He is pro nuclear power
2)He believes the world desperately needs to have nuclear power generation scattered all over it.
3)He thinks this is Japans opportunity to show leadership and prove that having nuclear power generation spread all across the country in every community is the way to go.
Its time for the anti nuclear community to part ways with advocates of nuclear power.
Its that simple.
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Keven; lets take Arnie with a grain of salt. We do need him. He is very useful.
Who else is giving us nuclear blow by blow . Tepco is not. Dept of Energy is Not.
As tarnished or blemished he may be his code is useful. We all know not trust
him as the authority on what is going . It is like a contrarian pt of view. What ever
he says it is far far worse than he is letting on to be. There are moments when he
becomes soul full and tells us a truth-even though it is too late. We all should of
fled like Obama did and hi tale it Brazil before that Nuclear Noble Gas Cloud wafted
over the White House back then in March of 2011. Now we have come to suspect
something really terrible happened at 4 with the SFP and maybe the reactor.
Where does 400 milliserverts per hour come from? Arnie is useful and important.
We all have to have a wide tent. a market place of conversation. He is one of the
speakers.
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Kevin, I think you may be confusing Arnie's call for "distributed power" with a call for distributed nuclear power.
Are you familiar with Jeremy Rifkin's book, "The Third Industrial Revolution?" He is calling for people to create their own green energy in their homes on a distributed grid, much like the way the Internet is distributed. He has consulted with many governments and large NGOs, including Angela Merkel.
Read his article about his ideas here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-rifkin/the-third-industrial-revo_1_b_1386430.html
His book is on Amazon and you can read the reviews and comments there too:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Third-Industrial-Revolution-Transforming/dp/0230115217
(snip):
" Here, Jeremy Rifkin explores how Internet technology and renewable energy are merging to create a powerful “Third Industrial Revolution.” He asks us to imagine hundreds of millions of people producing their own green energy in their homes, offices, and factories, and sharing it with each other in an “energy internet,” just like we now create and share information online.
"Rifkin describes how the five-pillars of the Third Industrial Revolution will create thousands of businesses, millions of jobs, and usher in a fundamental reordering of human relationships, from hierarchical to lateral power, that will impact the way we conduct commerce, govern society, educate our children, and engage in civic life."
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(continued):
His book's press on his website ("he advises to abandon nuclear power"):
http://www.thethirdindustrialrevolution.com/press.cfm
So I am thinking Arnie is more thinking along these lines of distributed power. But instead of guessing, Kevin, why not send him an email & ask? Better than just speculating about what the man really believes, no?
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I want to agree with you. I have been calling for independent
lab testing so we can know what's here already and real time
air monitoring date here on the west coast.
Who is going to set this up and run it and pay for it? Is this out
fit going to have integrity? Will the government shut it down?
I would love to see this up and going. How come has it
not happened? If you could manifest this then you are
realizing your way.. We do not need an insider of the nuclear
industry being our sole source of information. you are right.
It is compromised and could be called friendly propaganda.
In the meantime there are other sites giving us info as well.
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Agreed. The issue of independent testing of air, water and food is paramount. Children are being exposed NOW. If nuclear power is abolished tomorrow morning we would still have the same problem. It is very disappointing to see the almost complete lack of calling for radiation and radioisotope testing on the part of the "experts".
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+2
Would also appreciate using an accurate photo of r4 when speaking of r4, as Heart pointed out, it doesn't look like that anymore, and would be lovely for an expert to explain the structural changes.
If I had a choice, I would much rather independent testing.
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Sorry, Sam, I guess that should be +3.
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Bobby writes: "It is very disappointing to see the almost complete lack of calling for radiation and radioisotope testing on the part of the "experts"
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Here's what I found in five minutes on my lunch break:
Gundersen: "I think if you’re on the west coast and the Cascades you need to demand more of your — you know Oregon, Washington State, California — of your local officials, or of the federal government, to look into what’s in the fish. Not just the saltwater fish [...] but also what’s rained out on the land and is now in the local rivers."
http://enenews.com/gundersen-debris-comes-across-pacific-be-contaminated-radiation-audio
Caldicott in California: "You should be testing your fish routinely."
http://enenews.com/caldicott-fukushima-radiation-will-be-reaching-you-quite-soon-on-us-west-coast-i-dont-think-id-be-surfing-video
Gundersen: "The debris field [...] some of that’s likely to be contaminated [...] I hope they have their inspectors out and are checking for radiation as well, because some of that debris has to be contaminated."
http://enenews.com/gundersen-debris-comes-across-pacific-be-contaminated-radiation-audio
I could probably cut and paste 5-10 more examples that have been posted on this site alone. Also keep in mind not every time an expert calls for testing is it featured in a post.
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ENENews, thanks, I had not seen those. Still, we need a comprehensive program. This is enormous because the US does not have enough labs to test all the food, so we need a crash program to obtain the necessary equipment, and budget for testers. Perhaps a grant program so local groups can purchase their own equipment and food, and they can donate their time.
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That's a great idea.
On a side note, to me it's discouraging when people complain about the 'experts' not doing enough or saying the right thing.
I am guessing that most of them are doing all they can in their own way. It's impossible to know the personal struggles people are going through in addition to all that goes with taking on well-entrenched interests on a daily basis.
People need to become the experts themselves and get in the media and then they will be able to do whatever they think should be done.
For example, Kevin Kamps. I believe he has no nuclear background/education (not positive), though he is a tremendous advocate that gets quite a bit of media exposure.
I like your style Bobby1. Go for it.
Everyone reading this, go for it. ENENews will link to it, e.g. NuclearHotseat and Nuked Radio. Just let me know.
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all the great people commenting on this
site bring to this community so much
information and points of view.
Perhaps the administration can
headline other commentators
Arnie is not
THE ONLY NUCLEAR EXPERT.
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Beyond Nuclear, Helen Caldicott, MD, Christopher Busby, PhD, many other "experts" have had comments and videos posted here. Arnie is by far not the only expert published here.
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Some of the enenewser's here are also nuclear experts — some with training in nuclear engineering, and/or nuclear industry working experience.
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There are also experts from other fields here.
Most critical situations are in need of outside observation.
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Yes, of course! I agree. Multidisciplinary approach best! And everyone's input important. Have always said this will require an "outside of the box" solution, and thinking outside the box!
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@ Multidisciplinary approach..thanks HoTaters..I needed a term this morning.
Everyone's input is important.
Commonsense and a broad based sense of humanity/morality is a great plus for the anti-nuke side.
I will always consider this the "tie that binds".
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Sam writes: "Perhaps the administration can headline other commentators Arnie is not THE ONLY NUCLEAR EXPERT."
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Good Idea… from last Friday:
Mainichi Expert Sr. Writer: Gov't sources say No. 4 pool a grave concern — Storage pool barely intact — We have no time to humor senseless thinking of those who downplay the risks
Murata: Former Japan Ambassador Warns Gov't Committee: "A global catastrophe like we have never before experienced" if No. 4 collapses — Common Spent Fuel Pool with 6,375 fuel rods in jeopardy — "Would affect us all for centuries"
Wyden: WSJ: Very dangerous situation at Fukushima Daiichi says Senator — Taking years to remove fuel "carries extraordinary and continuing risk" — No comment from Tepco, Japan gov't — Quake could send buildings tumbling down, resulting in "an even greater release of radiation"
Alvarez: HuffPo: Large amounts of radioactive materials could be deposited across 1,000s of miles if water lost at Fukushima fuel pool — Media just beginning to grasp that danger to world is far from over -Nuclear Expert
Matsumura: Former UN adviser: If No. 4 pool collapses I've been told "during 50 years continual, you cannot contain" (VIDEO)
Lyman: Paper: Physicist warns even if No. 4 Spent Fuel Pool survives another major quake, "failure of jury-rigged inadequate piping installed after disaster could put cooling system out of commission"
Edwards: Canadian Nuclear Scientist: Another, even more dangerous possibility than fire at Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 — Re-initiation of chain reaction can occur if fuel rods move slightly, an "accidental criticality"
Burnie: Nuclear expert raises doubts about support columns under Spent Fuel Pool No.4 at Fukushima Daiichi (PHOTOS)
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Did you consider it was the weekend (meaning even less Fukushima-related news) and these other experts may not have had anything published recently that hasn't already been posted here?
Feel free to send in links if something was not covered.
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You are doing a great job.
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Agreed.
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Administration; I agree you are doing a great job here.
i am in no way frustrated with anything you are doing.
it is so so difficult to ascertain the truth of the situation
there. I commend you for the market place of ideas you
have created here.
We all would be at a great loss without your work here
in having this site and keeping it going as you do!
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US Army General Warns of Impending Fukushima Doom
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/5/prweb9498292.htm
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He says a force 5 and above will topple it. I hope it was a misprint because they've been getting 5 and above regularly for the past year.
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More like 7 or greater, I hope.
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Maybe the general was referring to the intensity of the shaking — which is different from the Modified Mercalli scale now used to measure earthquake magnitude.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-to-have-the-WorldUN-intervene-in-the-Fukushima-Nuclear-disaster/121250287949787
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AG is good value! See my blog page at fallout-protection.blogspot.com for something you can do to protect yourself and your loved ones from the radioactive drift.
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Hilarious. Oh the hype, the music, the MAN! Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine the 3rd! Thnx, I needed that LOL so much. I couldn'a made that up even w/ my finest thinkin cap on. Not that he isn't perhaps sincere, and correct, even if he's gonna make a buck from peddling fear, Emerald Sea, and whey. Don't they know informed preppers don't eat fruits of the sea anymore, nor dairy? Nor will they lure us to Panama (north of the equator.) I did like some of Dr. Rima's advice. Well worth hearing the General say his name with a straight face, and the trumpets and snares that introduce him. There's even a choir. For a good time, click the play > http://www.GeneralBert.com
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hi demo, lol! it seems as Maj. Gen. Stubblebine III has widespread interest: he's also founder of the Natural Solutions Foundation, which protmotes the "creation of (…) Ecologically Sound communities and schools for farmers to share high impact, low technology natural solutions to permit economically and environmentally sustainable, chemical free farming.. Among these, we consider Fr. Godfrey's UN recognized Songhai Community in Benin to be an outstanding example and we have formed a strategic alliance with that Community, sponsoring BioDynamic methods testing."
Quite cool, methinks.
http://www.lifespirit.org/NSF-Main-Index.htm
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yeah, they do some good work, even if they have a funny concept of how to establish credibility. they need a new video/PR director. or not. if their record speaks for itself, word will spread. the general IS adorable. we DO all need a good lol. i'm bookmarkin that one for doldrums days.
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Good article:
A Giant Nail in the Coffin of Humanity
http://theintelhub.com/2012/05/13/the-nuclear-industry-and-fukushima-a-giant-nail-in-the-coffin-of-humanity/
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Gets scarier. Michio Kaku agrees on the severity:
Radio program recently with Michio Kaku talking about the spent fuel pool:
http://soundcloud.com/flashpoints/flashpoints-daily-newsmag-05-6?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=google_plus&utm_content=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fflashpoints%2Fflashpoints-daily-newsmag-05-6
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Thanks P, listening now
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How do you get this thing to play? Is it set up for PC only? (I'm using a Mac.) Thanks.
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It works fine on my MacBook Pro HoTaters. Try using safari see if that works.
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As someone who has worked at Fukushima and many other rectors, Arnie has always given opinions that are technically sound and believable.
To those of you who believe that one of the fuel pools has been moved or no longer exists, that is not possible. When the NRC a year ago said the fuel pool is "gone" , they probably meant it was no longer operational.
For the pool to have been destroyed (fallen down ect) no work on site would be possible because of deadly dose rates. No fuel has been removed from any fuel pool for the same reason. One fuel bundle has a dose rate in the area of several hundred thousand REM. (I have taken underwater dose rates). Fuel fragments were ejected from one or more pools, but those deadly little pieces of fuel are nothing dose wise compared to a bundle.
There is no way to remove any fuel now because there are no fuel bridges, and dose rates are way to high. If one fuel bundle were to be removed, or somehow fall out of the pool, all work on site would end, and the evacuation zone would have to be increased. If the fuel pool collapses Japan would be evacuated forever.
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Hi chrisk9, thanks for your input.
Those "bundle dose rates" are completely beyond me. I simply can't imagine a bundle of fuel rods to be deadly enough to evacuate the whole site. I lack fantasy in that regard.
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"If the fuel pool collapses Japan would be evacuated forever"
chrisk9 I encourage you to go into further detail about this statement. With your permission, I will include it in an upcoming post. Thanks for you input.
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That is the great fear. We still do not have sufficient information as to the
condition of the SFP of 4 or the reactor. All the experts are sounding alarms
of catastrophe. How do we not know that the worst may be behind us there but the
amount of radiation from there given off already has been alarming. Gundersen
obliquely commented that they underestimated the amount of radiation in the
Northwest. Still too many questions.
Would be great for these experts to talk about the real time condition of these
pools from actual observations and hard data from that site. I do believe
Tepco and the U.S Energy Department know. Guess I am not at peace with the
official statements about it all.
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There are several reasons why I believe the country will be evacuated if the #4 SFP collapses. The amount of radioactive material in the fuel pool dwarfs the total amount at Chernobyl by a factor of 5 to 10. Chernobyl's core was still mostly contained in a building (although heavily damaged), and most of the radioactive material melted downward and became lava like. If #4 SFP collapses it will be lying on the completely open ground, probably going critical on and off in portions of the pile for years. The dose rate from this pile will make dropping sand or anything from the air much more lethal than anything at Chernobyl. And probably impossible. The entire site at Fukushima will be uninhabitable and unworkable because of the dose rate coming from this pile of fuel. That means there will be no control of the other fuel pools, and we could lose control of them.
Nuclear experts will soft sell the ramifications because that is how the industry works. When the experts "have concerns" about the situation at #4 that means they are pooping their pants. My experience at Fukushima was 30 years ago. I worked in the industry for about 15 years as a health physics technician. I was also referred to as a "nuclear gypsy" because I traveled from plant to plant working outages. That meant I was always in the middle of the hottest jobs in the heart of the plant. The engineers will talk about this part or that part of a plant, but I have been all those places wearing full gear,
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chrisk9,
What do you think is happening here, 2:00 on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cj3p5M0Yy4&feature=context-chv
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Hi Chris!
Thanks for your open words.
Hope the will get heard loud and clear all around the globe. I try to do my best atm to enforce your voice. But… just to have a confirmation about you _really_ being Chris Canine ("nuclear gipsy and therefore unquestionably an expert on the topic"): Can you for example make a camshot of you in front of your monitor showing ENEnews? That would give confirmation and it would also give your words much more (desperately needed) gravity.
Greetings,
Flo from Kiel (Germany)
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I have similar experience. I hate to say it – it just would have seemed so unthinkable back in the heady days, eh? – but they won't evacuate Japan no matter what. Those who can get out are already gone, or sent their families off to Bolivia (et al.). Everyone else is SOL. Hell, now that Fukushima has illustrated so well that protecting the population is completely unnecessary, they're even talking about moving people back into the Chernobyl dead zone. Let 'em sicken and die ugly over time. So long as the money keeps flowing they are all expendable. Everyone is expendable.
They always knew they were risking everyone's lives with their embrace of the power, that was the whole reason they embraced it. I grew up in the 50s and 60s – extinction was something they threatened me with every single day of my young life. Boiling water with it was just a way to hang on to the power when nobody bought their bellicose extinction threats anymore (post-Cuban Missile Crisis, when we found out they weren't serious).
They still have no qualms about killing us all, and themselves too. I know that is really hard for people to understand, but it's true. Northern Japan can be sacrificed and will be to save the demigod these people literally worship. They will take their own lives as well as yours and everyone else's to serve that 'Divine Power'. Really. It's the twisted, subversive nature of the beast they thought they could control. It's out now, and it's hungry.
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Yes, in the end, it's an old and repeatedly told story… to arrive at a conclusion: It's sort of a "collective emperor-Nero-style agony/vanitas behaviour". As in: "If WE have to die, we take at least as much others with us as we can!"… :/
I hope, they overcome that pointless and fainthearted thinking… at least THIS time.
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they are the mob.media.corp.guv and there is no point of thinking 'hope' will solve our problem.
'Action' is the only thing to be done, should have been done 14 months ago.
The criminals need to be prosecuted, the rest of us might as well go to the beach. Unless you're rad proof, then you can go and fix fuku .. hahahahahahahahahaha, like that's ever going to happen.
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Hichard: Don't forget, that the mob.media.corp.mil.gov also makes the laws. And if "they" don't SEE a criminal act in their own behaviour, they won't arrest and imprison each other, naturally. So following your thoughts… which kind of action do you (want to) take to get them stop their self-(and others-)destruction/suicide?
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@Centaur – i hope you didn't take my comment as a dig at yours, because that wasn't my intention.
What I'm saying is that any action, just some action, needs to begin (of course, it's way late). Just my little pet concern at the moment, i keep seeing words like 'hope', but that, to me, doesn't seem to be enough.
I'm taking steps to be pro-active, as I know I've been guilty of being inactive and want to rectify that.
Trying to achieve any of the following, wherever possible.
Donate, Investigate, Participate.
I've now done all three, and will continue to do so.
And, I like that you've added .mil to the string, that makes good sense
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No, i didn't get your comment wrong. ^^ When saying "I hope, [they understand their fundamental thinking error and correct it ...]", I meant that it would be THE most effective and direct way to get thinks radically fixed on this messed up planet in this (finally completely) messed up critical razor's edge situation. But they all seemed to have "pooped their pants" atm, as Chris put it… and therefore stumble on into the foreseeable cataclysm like magnetically hypnotized sheep… and try to take us all with them.
"Hope" is just another word for "Naming a reasonable approach to the solution of a problem, that is rather unlikely – but not impossible – to happen." As in: "Facing one's OWN death and STILL don't get the pants pooped in a way, that others have to 'pay for that', regardless if they're (more) guilty than oneself or not." That's simply childish and destructive in a senseless way. All that counts is the global case of emergency, as we here all agree since day #1 and counting…
PS: Add "Elucidate" to your list.
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yeah, you sure elucidated there
if we get thru this thing, someone should write a book of the lines that come out of these threads
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Thank you so much for your experienced input, Chrisk9! Are you no longer working at Fukushima? We hear little to nothing from the actual workers there. We wish them well, as we are well aware of the dangers they face. They are truly heroes!
As you no doubt have read on the Webcam forum, we are starved for information about exactly what work is taking place now at Fukushima. Too little information, poor video resolution, etc. causes us to speculate wildly, but it sure would be great to hear from some of the workers on site.
Do you have any connections with any of the workers currently there who might offer some insight into what is happening there now? (As you can understand, no one here trusts anything TEPCO has to say at this point, so the workers would be the one we'd want to hear from…anonymously, of course.)
Ok, please let us know! And thanks again for your posts here. We look forward to hearing more from you.
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P.S., Chrisk9, do you happen to know Carl Pillitteri? He was an American working at Fukushima when the quake hit. His first hand account, published this past March is riveting:
http://www.salon.com/writer/carl_pillitteri/
I cannot imagine what the workers went through…
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chrisk9
Please give us your take on the reported burning of the fuel rods in SFP4 and that Gundersen
said once they start they cannot be put out by water. Also there were reports that the pool
burned for some time. What then is left in the pool? How do explain that charred black
mess in there.? What about the reactor core? There were reports it might have been loaded?
Then again reports that new rods were placed in spent fuel pool. Do you think criticality
occurred in the pool due to the jamming in there and shaking from the earthquake?
Obviously something significant happened in Reactor 4 building. Lots of unknowns still.
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Why not title post "gunderson says…" everytime an article is titled chief engineer says/ expert says – its kind of strange because it makes the headline more sensational in a way. Its always gunderson. Maybe I'm just grumpy today! Peace all.
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Hi, good question. Usually if the post concerns a more technical aspect, 'Gundersen' will be in the title. A more general audience probably doesn't know who Gundersen is and Expert/Engineer may be more appropriate in that case. It also helps to differentiate the headlines when there are several from one source.
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I was thinking the exact same thing a couple of days ago; hoping on some new experts but every time Gundersen's name shows up. Not that i mind but gone is the hope.
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I think i know why they (enenews) are using these words instead of the name Gundersen. Maybe for newbies. When they read 'Gundersen' they might ask who Gunderson is and have to do an internetsearch before getting to the newsitem. When they read 'expert' then people know rightaway they deal with an expert. Anyway, just guessing…
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Wow good guess. I posted above at 4:44p without seeing your follow-up.
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Oh I did the gunderson/sen thing. Hate me now.
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