Steam observed 5 of previous 6 days at Fukushima Unit 3; Lasted for 24 hours straight at one point — Nuclear Expert: There could be pockets of corium still in molten state; Nobody quite understands what’s going on (AUDIO)

Published: September 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm ET
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Tepco has reported seeing steam at the Fukushima Unit No. 3 Reactor Building almost everyday from September 13-18 (Prior to September 13, no steam had been observed for over a month — since August 7):

Title: THE DEEPENING CRISIS AT FUKUSHIMA
Source: Green Power and Wellness
Host: Harvey Wasserman
Date: Aug. 12, 2013

At 7:00 in

Harvey Wasserman, host: Is there any of the corium at Fukushima still at 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit?

Gordon Edwards, nuclear expert and president of the Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility: It’s conceivable there is, it’s impossible to know for sure… if you’re adding energy, if you’re adding heat, and if that heat cannot escape, if there’s no way for the heat to be removed, then the temperature will go up and up and up. There’s no limit to how high the temperature can go if the heat isn’t removed. Now the heat can be removed by various ways, by conduction, by convection, by active cooling. It’s possible the corium, the melted mass, there could be pockets of corium which are still in a molten state. We don’t know that for sure. [...]

Wasserman: Some steam has been observed on the site. That would be an indicator that we still have super hot material at Fukushima, is that correct?

Edwards: That’s right — and in fact there’s been several incidents of steam escaping. Nobody quite understands what’s going on.

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Published: September 18th, 2013 at 3:08 pm ET
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71 comments to Steam observed 5 of previous 6 days at Fukushima Unit 3; Lasted for 24 hours straight at one point — Nuclear Expert: There could be pockets of corium still in molten state; Nobody quite understands what’s going on (AUDIO)

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Hundreds of tons of it, and the steam is increasing.


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    • Fukushima Radiation? Pacific Ocean Pilots in Jets Getting Nose Bleeds, Passing Out, Hair Falling Out, Skin Sores; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/04/fukushima-radiation-pacific-ocean.html


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      • hbjon hbjon

        Beneath the mushroom cloud of U3, I could clearly see the 100 ton crane and its base raining down out of the cloud. This was thousands of feet in the air. My belief is that the core was also in the expanding cloud thousands of feet above FDNPP. The reactions within the cloud were actually from the volatile particles of the core. The cloud kept rising as the wind pushed it out to sea. The energy liberated fueled the expansion and lifting speeds of the cloud. U3 sfp could not have survived that blast and the damaged fuel was left to overheat and go China Syndrome. I suppose that the radioactive releases from that could affect pilots and their crews. *Ultimately, most of that dropped harmlessly into the ocean.(*satisfies the folks that try to keep hysteria at a low roar)


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  • kintaman kintaman

    What about planes that fly to and from Narita, Haneda and other nothern area Japan airports? Do they not fly through plumes of radiation that are still being released?

    Has anyone done testing of the external and internal of airplanes to measure contamination? I realize this could not be accurately checked while in flight due to cosmic radiation but what about before take off and after landing (external/internal)?

    Do airplanes take in air from the outside and recirculate it to the interior where passengers are? If so is it filtered and if it is are these filters also being tested with Geiger counters?

    I have yet to see anyone address this or discuss it.


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    • Yes, radiation does rise up and circulate around the globe. The airline industry does not want to talk about any of this, so shush. Can you imagine what would happen if people discover that radiation from Fukushima goes up into the areas where jets fly, and planes landing in Fukushima are exposed to low level radiation? OMG!

      Earthquakes, Gravity Waves, And Ionospheric Hot Spots; via A Green Road
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/02/earthquakes-gravity-waves-and.html

      There is a lot to study around the effects that nuclear accidents have on the upper atmosphere and the ozone hole for example…


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    • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

      Modern jets have air filtration systems that are only surpassed by labs and our nuclear subs, so particulate inhalation during flight is extremely unlikely.
      However, people will be exposed to radiation (X-rays) passing through the jets while they are flying. The only thing good about that is it is short term compared to inhaling or consuming particles. But a frequent flyer will definitely suffer from the cumulative effects of lengthy periodic exposure to radiation. That is something they should be warned about and find ways to avoid.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    This story from 9/13/2013 says just what losers Tepco managers are:

    "Vapour has begun rising again from a reactor at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, more than two-and-a-half years after its core melted down, the site’s Japanese operator said Friday.

    Tokyo Electric Power said it believed the steam was coming from a puddle sitting atop the reactor and was not dangerous, but it has not been able to clarify why vapour started appearing occasionally from July this year."

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/13/steam-seen-at-fukushima-nuclear-reactor/


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      OMG! Don't they know what happens when people smoke crack in a vaporizer? Well, maybe that is the subject of their current study. When someone picked up a rock and stuck it in their pipe, it was probably corium. When did they move their brainstorming sessions to a puddle sitting atop the reactor?


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    My Theory Only:
    When Reactor 3 exploded (assuming that it was, indeed, the reactor that exploded), a glob of melted fuel was blown upwards, lodging against the reactor vessel head, taking with it the wreckage of the steam separator and steam dryer assembly. This glob of fuel and equipment became molten, as temperatures reached over 3,000 C in the reactor vessel, well beyond the melting point of all fuel components, and of all metal equipment, including the reactor vessel and reactor vessel head itself. Most of the molten metal driped down into the wreckage of the reactor, driping out of the reactor bottom, and ultimately becoming a part of the corium that melted its way through the containment vessel, containment base, flooring, and foundation to become Corium3, off somewhere in the Earth underneath the FDNPP.
    I am not a nuclear engineer (thank God!). So take this for what it's worth.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      PS: Some corium splatter from the explosion of Unit3 remains on the metal and concrete remains of the drywell head and containment shield plug.
      In the larger context of the FukuEvent, the steam that continues to be emitted from the corium splatter at the top of the Unit3 containment is not a matter of much concern.
      This unit will continue to spark and sputter for years to come, thanks largely to its plutonium MOX fuel.
      But this is not evidence of the proximity of the corium mass, which IMO is long gone.
      It is merely the gentle steaming you get from corium splatter.
      (Similar to the gentle steaming seen in the endoscope videos of Unit2 Containment.).
      No potential for an explosion.
      Nothing to worry about. ;)


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  • Remember Friends, unit 3 had the MOX fuel installed. Is meltdown modelling done with or without the MOX fuel equation. Possibility says Bingo that the corium blew out of primary containment in one big huge blob. Then the blob ate away the concrete secondary containment floor and is a festering pool of continual criticality TepGov is pouring water on. The steam indicates leaks in whats left of the cooling system such that the volume of water left wont support a temperature to avoid boil off steam from being created. Now how can TepGov address this issue without the bad publicity of actually moving mountains to get the job done?


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The truth of Unit3 will become apparent as photos emerge of the Equipment Floor once all the wreckage gets removed. If the shield plug, along with drywell head and reactor head is a gaping hole, then the core went up, and may have dropped into the ocean or somewhere else.
      But the evidence suggests that the shield plug will be found still in place, IMHO.
      If so, the MOX corium left Unit3 by melting through the concrete and steel of the Containment Vessel, and is now located far below Fukushima Unit3.
      If TEPCO continues to release NO PHOTOS of the equipment floor as they clear the last of the wreckage from Unit3, then one of you enterprising Japanese ENEnewsers has to buy one of those fancy little drones, and fly it over the FDNPP, and give the world a peek at what really happened at Unit3. ;)


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      • I have been looking through that Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility website and in one article they say that earth acts like a huge heat sink. They see it as melting through concrete floor but being stopped by the heat sink property of the ground. I'm liking this theory. I invision groundwater cooling the mess too. But the reality is no one will actually know untill they can go down and investigate. Could be a long time before that happens.


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      • PUN, are you saying that there is a glob of previously molten nuclear fuel that separated from the main corium mass during the unit 3 explosion, and this glob is stuck to the inside of the shield plug, producing decay heat (without fission), making the shield plug hot but not too hot? If so, do you think the shield plug is being cooled by conduction in the RPV itself, conducting the heat downward to the lower part of the RPV where Tepco continues to inject water? And then any rain water that comes in contact with the shield plug is generating the weak steam events?

        If so, do you imagine a temperature gradient on the outside surface of the RPV that starts at maybe 50 C where the Tepco water is, and increases mostly linearly as you go higher, to be near or at 100 C at the shield plug (top of the RPV)?

        If so, an infrared camera image would be a great help. Tepco, please publish some new infrared images of this area.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Whats confusing about the steam is that hundreds of tons of water turned to steam would create a billowing cloud of huge proportion. That there is intermittent steam, and often no steam indicates a complex scenario. In the days right after the explosions, you would expect to see a lot more steam as water is being pumped directly on any bit of super hot debris and splatter.


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    • Jebus

      Reference material…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2eTebInJ8

      #3 pressure vessel is intact? Head and plug are in place?

      I do want to see that…


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  • Heres a photo of the tanks being built in Hanford. Note the hundreds of feet of rebar.

    http://www.ccnr.org/Hanford_tanks_XL.html

    Compare to the tightly spaced oh and the TepGov special praucationary couple of temps with sandbags and a Honda portable pump. Yes measures you might not find anywhere else bolt together tanks provided by TepGov we all have seen pictures of. These guys dont care flush it all into the Pacific and on with the Olympics. Conveniently close to a mountain fed aquafier. Scientifically guarrenteed by TepGov paid experts to harmlessly disperse into the great Pacific. The steam is all part of the process laughed an unidentified TepGov official. Right now we are planning an attack for identifying parameters in which we will launch an investigation into how we are going to investigate the broken vent stack. Ok?


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Hey, tone it down, Mark. Those guys don't put their pants on the same as you and I. First they have to do a cost benefit analysis on button vs zipper. Then they have to figure out what materials to use in a highly efficient manner and how much to bill us for them. Then they have to polish each others fuel rods in order justify the expenses. When all that is done, a study committee will report to them which leg to put in what hole. Fisting is for those without the wherewithal to do things right, by the way.


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  • We Not They Finally

    SOME corium? INSIDE the reactors? And the rest is what? Out of sight, out of mind?


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Perhaps they need to review their mission statement. Maybe a prankster put up a Mission Statement poster in the hallway that says: Take all you can get. Give nothing back.

      Has anyone checked to see what happens to Tepco execs when they are struck with full moonlight? Any barebones visible? Do they report to Davy Jones Locker, LLC?


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  • jackassrig

    I did discuss the source of air in jets sometime back. The air in the cabin comes from the 2 or 3 stage of the compressor on the engine. So outside air is pulled in from the ouside and into the cabin. On the older jets there is no filtration. One poster I don't remember his name said that the newer jets have filtration. I don't know how to search the old archives but the was quite a spirited discussion.


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    so…"Nobody quite understands what’s going on."? I was under the impression that everyone within the nuclear technologies industry had a firm grip on the science of thermodynamics. Now we're discovering, none of these geniuses has a clue to what's going on underneath those crippled power plants. Perhaps they should put the girlie mags down…


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  • We Not They Finally

    I had thought that the MOX fuel in reactor 3 exploded UP and into the atmosphere. Paolo Scampa wrote an article for agreenroad abut how 3,000,000,000,000 (that's three thousand billion!) lethal doses of plutonium got spewed into circling the Earth. Plutonium rods were also apparently found at some distance from the plant.

    It's frustrating continually having new scientists come along and then we are back to Square One and "IF" something happened, maybe it was this or that.

    It's a complicated mess, but whole-picture assessments seem hard to find.


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  • Its all out of sight now, WNTF, pure conjecture at the moment. Mr Gunderson believes the corium spread out like a pancake on the concrete floor. I think it broke containment in one big plutonium fueled nuclear blob as the Primeminister was ordering No seawater and cooling was resumed against orders. Plutonium mix in old delapidated self regulating yakuza using TepGov facility. Like supercharging a 74 Pinto and filling in the rust holes with bondo. I digress. We are talking about the mushroom like explodingmox fueled reactor now the one steaming for 24 hours at a time two and a half years in?


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  • Similar to Kosciuszko Mound … Like so Mound in Krakow fell to the Vistula and obstructed it, we would have Tsunami from the mainland … do not need any earthquakes … Once the sequence of events predicted arguing against nuclear power …
    Maybe it is worth to seriously take this example, because there is always such a miracle as the heavens here we will fund .. I strongly tell against such power plants. You can not, as you believe in miracles …

    http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lJ3ppIJbEEk/UiLcrjy10YI/AAAAAAACwQo/yQJXppQ1VsE/w600-h363-no/Holy+%2524%2523%2521t++Sheer+Terror+land+slide+in+Taiwan+jWc4kkL.gif

    Andrew


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  • Bottom line its steaming. Maybe the leak is getting bigger? They will just add pumping capacity to #3 and hopefully they can keep up with the leak. Ii would imagine that unit three is the worse scenario but three melt through could mean three different scenarios. They cant even decide for sure if it was hydrogen or nuclear explosions. Wow maybe a mushroom cloud could light up the Olympic flame.


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  • jk641

    Alarming signs.
    Could the cracks in the exhaust stack be due to the saturated ground and subsidence (and of course the earthquakes that hit the region daily)?
    I read that some of the water storage tanks are sitting unevenly due to subsidence. The exhaust stack, being tall, would also be at high risk of damage from subsidence, no?
    This doesn't bode well for the rest of the buildings there.

    And the reactor 3 building steaming for days is also not a good sign.
    I fear that we may be running out of time.

    It amazes me that Fukushima is not at the top of the news headlines everyday.
    I don't think most people even know that the three reactor cores left the building. And that 300 tons of groundwater are carrying radiation from cores right into the ocean.
    Tepco declaring "Mission Accomplished" with that "cold-shutdown" BS is becoming more and more outrageous.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    In Unit #3, the detonation scattered a lot of molten stuff to a lot of places, into nooks, cracks, and crannies, into pipes and conduits. A small lump of corium could be sitting inside a metal pipe onto which water is making contact. Or it could be sitting outside a pipe that is drawing water from the rising water on site, carrying the steam out the pipe where it condenses floors above the ground. There are so many possibilities.


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    In the history of mankind I don't think there has ever been a clusterfuk as big as Fukushima.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    What happens if the steam increases?

    And increases more and more in the following weeks?

    Where is this ultimately going?


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    TBP-“where is this ultimately going?”

    My friends-In a nutshell: Tepco.gov has no meaningful technical response; the situation on all levels continues to deteriorate; boron rod wafers and zircoly cladding have deteriorated; lethal radiation levels at the plant prevent human maintenance, even if there was some inclination to do so; concrete and steel infrastructure components falling apart; foundation sub-soil liquidization; increasing and uncontrollable levels of radioactive release into the atmosphere and into the ocean; questionable and precarious states of the FDI and FDNI spent fuel pools, inadequate planning and infrastructure available to remove and securely store spent fuel rods, risks of future seismic and atmospheric events, and so on.

    Although the West Coast of America and Canada are often cited as the primary recipients of fallout from F., the evidence is showing that the radio-nucleotides are spreading everywhere across our globe.

    A glimpse of the possible and likely outcomes of this disaster can be divined from the research on the low level effects of radiation in Chernobyl by Alexey V. Yablokov, Vassily B. Nesterenko, and Alexey V. Nesterenko.

    Based on all available information since 03/11 through today, the outcome is appearing to be inevitable. The only remote possibility of addressing this debacle in some form is a response from the international community with the application of its best and brightest scientific minds. (con't)


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    • nedlifromvermont

      we will survive long enough to still put up something of a fight …

      still time to rearrange some of the deck chairs …

      and appreciate some nice weather …

      and chat about who done it …

      and move some of the un-casked spent fuel assemblies to higher ground … where the plants have not yet melted down …

      Not too late for a hope …

      I pray …


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    The time to address this debacle has reached a point of no return, with the evidence of malfeasance and crisis mismanagement overwhelming. If not already, the problem will become so expansive, no solution can be executed.

    Enenews commentators, while enlightening, energy spent on platitudes and sarcasm is better spent on offering detailed technical advice or alternatively, taking some immediate tangible action. If you don’t, no one will.

    No matter what country you are from, what region in that country, contact all elected officials and relevant political interest groups, sign petitions, contact all substantial trade groups with intelligent and creative information on the effects of radiation on business models and demand international assistance is forced on Japan.

    If our efforts do not achieve the goal of an international response soon, we might as well stop posting in this website. In 20 years, log back in to reminisce about the good old days, when you could actually eat semi-uncontaminated, grains nuts and fruits, the facts 90% of the newborns did not have substantial congenital defects and less than one out of 4 (or 3 depending on your application of standard deviations) people you know did not contract lethal cancer caused by low level radiation, and the observation that radioactive steam at FU occurred every other week at 11 AM for the last 20 years.

    Those living in the present that are sentient must attempt to mitigate this burden for future…


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Wyakin,
      You sound like a genuine fellow and show great concern for this situation.

      I think it must be understood that 21st and myself would solve this crises and bring in the best from all parts of the world.

      There is a problem though and its the signing requirement of an international legal word craft document that bans and shuts down all Nuclear Power Plants world wide immediately!

      Once this document is signed and ratified world wide then this issue will be solved and not until then.

      This is only fair and the world will not ever play Russian Roulette ever again utilizing this failed Nuclear Technology. All the Bobby's of this world are done!

      Bring us this document signed and ratified and we will then end this world's current extermination protocol!


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Wyakin, weve been talking about the frustration of viewing a stalled world that stays the course to destruction. I dont believe you activism choices are effective. Millions have protested. Millions. Really, look into it. Hope, faith and activism do not always work. Just try walking across an eight lane highway using faith hope and activism. The path is to cut the big players out of the game. One can do it on a personal level, but unless everyone does it, its not effective. You could try to instigate a military coup, but your chances are really slim. You could hit the streets with the occupy movement…or did they go home yet. But keep thinking, we must be able to come up with some good ideas


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    • kez

      @Wyakin:

      Welcome and thank you for such inspirational words.

      Carry this light here often.

      Thank you.


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Nedlifromvermont-

    I appreciate your prior posts,candidness, and unique insights on your personal relationship with nuclear energy.

    I believe it is healthy to understand your relationship to the past, and understand how that past informs and guides our actions in the future. That is the purpose of history.

    I share your hope that a new deck chair arrangement will buy humanity time and recognize in this situation, that the synergy of common people is only the only way that anything will change in Fukushima and Japan at large to address this global catastrophe.

    Peace.


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  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Hi Obewan-understood and agreed. I hope that these are not mutually exclusive efforts.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    I see (and feel) a really unsettling tone to the posts here. We are all thinking, feeling and believing in the same truths, with no escape as we are trapped in this reality and even empowered by awareness as we are, still cannot really do anything but attempt to share our increasing concern with those around us, that do not want to know about it any further. Mind you, I don't push it on others, but feel a human responsibility to share. This is amazing to me. We all seem .desperate. in our sense of hope.


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  • truthseek truthseek

    As we sit squirming in our chairs just watching this unfold…


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    The taxpayers are sending congressmen on expensive trips abroad. It might be worth it except they keep coming back! –Will Rogers

    Weve seen that the Japanese parliament had extensive discussions concerning controlled demo of the WTC and ensuing false attack on terrorism. Everybody can see it, yet it didnt CHANGE anything. Same with millions of protestors on the street including the fantastic 7 year vigil in front of the World Health Organization.

    I would say you could starve them out except we have big agribiz instead of farmers, and Monsanto already has the idea…aimed at us!

    So heres an idea. Even though we didnt uncover a direct correlation yet, if 9-11 truth is uncovered, this will cause a house of cards to fall, or dominos if you like. Case in point though; the truth is out yet nothing happens! Astounding!

    I say lets go straight to the military, and airline pilots. Pilots lives are endangered, and military have clout…we have four star generals on our side. Conventional activism is summed up this way; the only thing more stupid than doing something that doesnt work is doing it over and over and over.

    http://www.mo911truth.org/
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/
    pilots for 9 11 truth


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Hey, here is Max Keiser on Fukushima and 9-11. He has orders of magnitude more influence than a lonely ENEnews poster. Still no change. We MUST become more creative in order to save the few species that will be left and to avoid complete wipe out of the human population which will nevertheless live with reduced intelligence, lifespan and deformities

    http://www.maxkeiseronfacebook.com/fukushima-primed-for-worldwide-disaster.html

    "The chances are very likely that you have already been affected by its leading edge of radiation contamination ~ either by the air you breathe or the food you eat."


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  • markww markww

    REPAINT aircraft that fly with impregnated lead paint and seal windows and replace with lead shield covers the plastic screens don't know the weight but would work and solve some of the exposure

    Markww


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