Nuclear Expert: Disgusting that Fukushima’s corium hasn’t been located — If melted fuel burned to center of Earth it’d be nice, that gets rid of it — Impossible to retrieve all of it (AUDIO)

Published: September 28th, 2013 at 2:07 pm ET
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Title: Dean Wilkie Interview (Part 2)
Source: 89.9 FM WERU News Report
Host: Amy Browne
Date: August 7, 2013

 At 6:45 in

Dean Wilkie, nuclear reactor operations, management, construction and plant engineering at a U.S. Department of Energy test reactor in Idaho: I’m very disgusted with Tepco not knowing where the corium is right now. […] I’m not sold on the idea that the fuel keeps going to the center of the Earth — it would be nice if it did, that’s one way to get rid of it. Because now they’re talking about going in and trying to retrieve all of it — which I believe is impossible to do. […]

Amy Browne, host: Do you think that all of the reactors have potentially lost the ability to contain this fuel […]?

Wilkie: I think Units 1 through 3 have.

See also: Nuclear Expert: I believe Fukushima fuel melted through at some reactors -- "Gone beyond building and now it's in bedrock?" (AUDIO)

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34 comments to Nuclear Expert: Disgusting that Fukushima’s corium hasn’t been located — If melted fuel burned to center of Earth it’d be nice, that gets rid of it — Impossible to retrieve all of it (AUDIO)

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Disgusting that they haven't told us the location of the corium, as they know where it is.

    Since the images of reactor 4's explosion have been censored so heavily, we probably should assume that there was fuel in reactor 4 as well, which is now corium.

    Bobby 1 on unit 2:

    400,000,000 Bq/m3 of all β nuclide detected in the coastal area of reactor2 / Second highest record

    Looks like Unit 2 this time. This underground corium has the most radioactivity out of all of them. This Japanese site states that in addition to 400,000 Bq per liter of β nuclides (including strontium), 2.1 Bq of cesium-137. This very low level of cesium indicates that underground corium is involved, since cesium is the most volatile element given off in the meltdown, and it is exhausted first. They don’t say how much strontium-90 is in it, even though researchers at Fukushima University developed a method to measure strontium in 15 minutes.
    http://optimalprediction.com/wp/


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    This is the crux and overall problem with such a secretive technology..controlled by our many barons.


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  • razzz razzz

    A nuclear engineer hopes the melts would have burned through to the center of the earth, not much of an idea to fix the current situation.

    He is still trying to come to grips with there being no containments, 2 1/2+ years later. A real forward thinker is he.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    The most detailed model calculation on this topic i have spotted so far is this one:

    "Corium coolability under ex-vessel accident conditions for LWRs" (M.T. Farmer, D. J. Kilsdonk and R. W. Aeschlimann, Nuclear Engineering and Technology 41 5 575-602 2009)

    You can get it here:
    http://www.kns.org/jknsfile/v41/JK0410575.pdf

    If i got it all right while flipping through it, the results are inconclusive, whether a corium-in-motion after a meltdown can be stopped or not while it is on resp. somewhere in the concrete floor. In this model, it depends very much on the _precise_ value of some of the crucial parameters like waterflow, corium-surface/crust-structure-and-behaviour and so on… it seems do be DOABLE with water only… but by far not under all conditions… and it's hard to assess if it works under given (but maybe "not fully enough" known) circumstances "down there"… somewhat like in the Daiichi situation.

    (Doesn't mean i don't see the mind-boggling ignorance the other plausible-sounding ways of determining the whereabouts of the coriums get – for example by _appropriate_measurements_, which are discussed here continually. The above text is just FYI.)


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    "I’m very disgusted with Tepco not knowing where the corium is right now"

    With all due respect, that is being extremely naive.

    The world nuclear industries have no clue what to do with this nuclear mess, and at the same time, need a scapegoat.

    Nobody knows where the coriums are, and couldn't do a thing about it if they did, as proven by the situation we're in.


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  • We Not They Finally

    I know that people are cynical. I fight that all the time myself. But look: The guy quoted in the article above apparently works CURRENTLY for the DOE. That's actually extraordinary! That's a potential whistle blower!

    This guy, Dean Wilkie, needs to be researched. I'm actually shocked that anyone currently working for the DOE is saying this, giving his name, being interviewed. Really.

    Education for the public is the first thing. Really. And if there is someone currently working for the DOE who is willing to do it in any capacity at all, I say let him. Really.


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  • We Not They Finally

    The group he is with is apparently simplyinfo.org. (Link above will direct the reader there.) They are based in Maine. Don't know if Wilkie works currently for the DOE, but apparently has 30 years experience in the nuclear industry. People like this should definitely be getting air time.


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  • larry-andrew-nils

    thermite the holes.


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  • They dont want everyone here to ponder this "I dont know where the corium is jazz" to much. But I think it is worthwhile to stay focussed. The question is after lying about the meltdown hiding for years that untreated vast quantities of nuclear waste is bleeding into the Pacific poor treatment of workers ties to organized crime can we really be sure TepGov supported by Marines are not lying when they say they dont know where the Coriums are? You mean this one time only their not lying?


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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes, they're probably lying. O.k., they are maybe-for-certain lying. O.k., make that positively-lying! But still, the more people who question, who get interviewed, who educate people — that's all for the good. It's ridiculously slow and not enough, given that five-alarm fire engines (in this case million-alarm fire engines!)should have been going off from Day One! But anything that helps with public awareness is still better happening than not.

      What would be GREAT to see, of course, is whistle-blown or pirated info that shows exactly where the coriums are. Like if TEPCO indeed knows and it has been leaked to the U.S. DOE?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The problem is the corium is disturbing the geology ..along the way.
    There is contamination of soil and groundwater..before it makes it's way to the local magma layer.
    Magma may not be so responsive as to simply absorb the corium.
    Might spit it back out.


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  • ftlt

    The sinister part is why he is released to talk now????… He was released – of this, I'm certain… These guys are in lock step or you are bumped out of your job in this industry – proven over and over – Ask Arnie..

    The stuff out of the LLR Lab and other previously silent or once down-players types are now out talking

    This whole new wave of reporting on FUFU is suspicious – beyond even the money shifting having been accomplished..

    Something is up… Eye candy for distraction for the slight of hand trick to come… Or FUFU is going to get really ugly and quickly now…

    Looks like – Smells like – Iastes like applies..

    Keep your eye on the ball…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    'They' are talking now in order to get more approved opposition in a better position to sway public opinion..when the next phantasmagorical fix to the situation is placed in the media.

    PS.It's not going to work…because ..yes…now scientists are talking..and 'they' are going to have to prove it.
    And they won't be able to..


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  • VanneV anne

    I really suspect that in November, the whole site will be blown up. I think that they don't want all the bad publicity they are getting. So, under the guise of taking out the fuel rods from SFP #4, it will all blow up. Then they will stop taking radiation readings, etc. And it will be "out of sight, out of mind". In their minds they will justify this action because there is no other solution.

    However, if they do blow it up either accidentally or on purpose, the volcanoes may react and the whole island sink into the sea. If it blows up the consequences will probably be much worse than expected. So far the whole disaster is much worse than they have expected.

    I hope I am wrong. But why else would they attempt to take out damaged fuel rods? It is an impossible task. And how can they put damaged fuel rods into the common spent fuel pool? Of course, the common spent fuel pool may also have already exploded. There have been too many times when we don't have tapes archived from the TEPCO cam.


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    • VanneV anne

      And they are already planning the drill in the US to take down the grid Nov. 13-14. Is this possible blow up going to be the false flag in conjunction with the grid drill?


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      to find out how fukushima will go, just get the illuminati card game, first created back in 1982.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_%28game%29

      It is based on a deck of cards which have all the big events on them, created long before they transpired, like a twin tower bombing, mega oil spill, black president etc. There is a tsunami card, a godzilla atomic card which gets high marks for destroying California or Japan, a combined disaster card which has a facsimile of the Wako clock tower with hands on the 3 and 11

      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread675301/pg1

      It has a WWIII card of course and more fun. A quirky bit of coincidence that conspiracy theorists can run with and quackbuster can scoff at! Oh yeah, it has a conspiracy theorist card, and a weather modification card in the deck too. FUN!


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    • VanneV anne

      Fukushima: “China Syndrome Is Inevitable” … “Huge Steam Explosions”
      “Massive Hydrovolcanic Explosion” or a “Nuclear Bomb-Type Explosion” May Occur
      22 November 2011
      Nuclear expert Dr. Ian Fairlie – former scientific secretary to the United Kingdom government’s Committee Examining Radiation Risks from Internal Emitters, who advises the European Parliament as well as local and national authorities in several countries – told Dr. Helen Caldicott:
      “’Really it’s just a matter of time before it [the corium] goes through and into the bottom of the actual station itself. And if it ever hits ground, well… there’s a lot of water sloshing around there, if molten fuel gets into that water it will immediately flash to steam and you will have huge steam explosions going on.
      “’I’m not ruling out a nuclear bomb-type explosion’.
      “And the architect who actually designed Fukushima Reactor No. 3 – Uehara Haruo, former president of Saga University – told popular Japanese news source Live Door on November 17th that (translation courtesy of Fukushima Diary):
      “In this interview, [Haruo] admitted Tepco’s explanation does not make sense, and that the China syndrome is inevitable.
      “He stated that considering 8 months have passed since [the March 11th earthquake] without any improvement, it is inevitable that melted fuel went out of the container vessel and sank underground, which is called China syndrome.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Now your talking like a conspiracy theorist and yes anything is possible and creating a distraction has worked very well now for over 200 years.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Had to chuckle when a couple of years ago NASA came out and stated they had tracked all that was near the Earth and then when the one blew up over Russia they stated we should all pray?
    http://www.amsmeteors.org/

    Lots of recent activity still going on..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    President Obama Hails Mars Rover Landing: If You Find Martians, 'Let Me Know'
    Aug 13 2012

    http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-hails-mars-rover-landing-martians-let-160853405.html

    And now they supposedly found water?
    9/26/2013

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/water-on-mars

    And now the ultimate deception..as life on Earth becomes more unbearable..why…there is life on Mars.

    Behold..false hope…very profitable false hope.


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  • FXofTruth

    If anything, what would retrieving these cores prove? They should help the cores burn through to the Earth's core! That WILL get rid of them! Micro nuclear shape-charges could carve out caverns for each core to enter and advance deeper into the Earth.

    Blowing micro nukes in a row for miles underneath each core would get them deep enough to stop affecting the air and water. 10 miles of Earth covering over them (I would think), would be the best way to let them burn their way though toward the Earth's core!

    All they have to use to find the cores is either or both – ground penetrating radar or satellite imagery to look for them. Then triangulate their locations and I know we have the technology to do it. Using Micro nuclear shape-charges would clear a path for each melted core. Drill angled shafts ahead of each core as deep as possible and then, plant micro nukes in their paths. Blow the nukes ahead of them and as each reaches their carved out cavern, each core would fall deeper and faster toward the Earth's core. This solution is cheaper and more reliable….than attempting to build those ridiculous ice walls!


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    • FXofTruth, the idea is eventually the escaped cores cool enough that they can dispose and remediate site. This idea of dismantling site is purely a propaganda talking point to pretend they have a handle on it. They are trying to portray that they are in a remediation process but they are actually in a hanging on by a shoestring situation. Besides cooling the mess probably all they will ever accomplish is a concrete covering like Chernobyl, if we're lucky. And massive radiation in sea that appears out of control. TepGov has better control of the media then its burnt out melt through poison factory.


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  • The coriums melted through the concrete and are festering in the ground underground water flowing around cooling outside of the blob. No explosion when hitting water as ground is porous. Think of the difference between a sealed pressure cooker and a simple pot with a lid on it both boiling water. Only the sealed pressure cooker could explode, the pot with the lid on will just have the steam escaping as the lid jumps around. There have been reports of steam escaping through cracks in the ground. When the coriums go through the concrete or ground, some melted ground or concrete gets added to the corium diluting it. Ground acts like a heat sink. Personally doubt corium is boring a hole miles underground. Could be a molten critical blob with solid outside crust made by heat tranfer to ground and water. Tepco has been totally lying to keep creditors interested in the project. Therefore lying to everyone. Yet US had team embedded in complex and have some info plus a team of scientists discussing possibilities plus whatever secret info they have on their own secret and otherwise meltdowns. Info is coming out now as situation dire and won't be covered up much longer.
    Steady pattern of lying, cold shutdown story etc.
    "Disgusting that Fukushima’s corium hasn’t been located" is Bullshit. Any expert worth his salt would say "Unbelievable that Fukushima’s corium hasn’t been located. They are lying."


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  • No doubt the underground inventory of escaping radioactive waste is massive, much larger then they are letting on. They have a cooling system dumping water on melt throughs so must know how much is being lost to leakage as they add water all the time and take out over contaminated water and they monitor levels of the cooling system. Computer modelling, heat detection equipment, underground x-ray technology, radar, sonic imaging, exploratory drilling etc etc. Lots of technology available to remotely assess condition and location of coriums. Billion dollar company, resources available, thousands of workers on site and completely unbelievable they don't know where the coriums are. An honest "I don't know" would include plausible possibilities. The big open ended "I don't know" TepGov is selling us is the boondoggle "I don't know" that we all learn about. Who did it? I don't know. Where is it? I don't know. Who broke it? I don't know. Like dealing with teenagers stealing Daddy's liquor.


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  • ;)

    It would be interesting if someday future historians were to note that TEPCO finally admitted at some point, like with everything else, that they were able to determine and knew that the coriums had hit ground water on *Dec, 21st, 2012.

    I find it ironic that those who built Nuclear Bombs and their costly underground bunkers just so that they could survive a nuclear war underground and emerge victorious were a bit shortsighted.

    The Nuclear Nut-jobs who planned all of this forgot to consider multiple NPP meltdowns and toppled fuel pools. Their bunkers will be useless in the long run.

    * Two Mayans: 12.21.2012
    http://www.greatdreams.com/two+mayans.jpg


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  • RichardPerry

    Does anyone know what effect 500 to 1000 pounds per square inch of water pressure have on the corium when it sinks 1000 to 2000 feet into the earth? [Note: water pressure increases at about .588 psi/foot of depth in sea water]. If it is a solid it may not have any different results but if it is hot in a liquid form it will try to change the water to steam or gas state but at this pressure it will build up great amount of energy before a sudden change to steam. Will the radioactive steam shoot to the surface and spew into the atmosphere caring radioactive soil with it. This may continue on and off for many years and the three corium's may join because of the voids created from the explosion of steam causing a much greater explosion. This may have all ready started and will be getting more violent as it sinks deeper into the planet with water following it and the water pressure will increase.


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