Nuclear Expert: Melted fuel is exiting Fukushima site — Very effective way of it being dispersed to humans far away from plant — Situation is beyond man’s control — 3 or 4 times Chernobyl’s radioactivity available for release (AUDIO)

Published: September 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm ET
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Title: Japan’s radioactive water – the impact on humans and wildlife
Source:  Voice of Russia – UK Edition
Date: Sept. 2, 2013

At 2:30 in

John Large, nuclear consultant: At Chernobyl […] the radioactivity was controlled and held within a landmass, and there were very few opportunities for that radioactivity to seep a long way out beyond the 30 km zone.

What we have in Fukushima is an accident with about 1/3 in terms of radioactivity the size of Chernobyl [See also: [intlink id=”fukushima-worst-nuclear-disaster-history-reveals-study-one-day-releases-japan-plant-100-quadrillion” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]], but it hasn’t finished yet, so this accident is ongoing and there’s opportunity for the radioactivity on the site — which involved 3 reactors and not one as at Chernobyl, very roughly 3-4 times the amount of radioactivity is available for release — we can see that accident is still going on 2 years after the event.

It’s not as though like Chernobyl, the situation was controlled and contained by a sarcophagus built around the damaged reactor, here we have a situation where the reactor fuel, the intensely radioactive fuel, is being carried away into the marine environment and beyond man’s control as to how further it disperses away from the site. […]

The problem with it going into the marine environment, not only does it spread much further, but it also gets ingested and re-concentrated by fish and filter feeders like oysters who re-concentrate the amount of radioactivity in a cubic meter of water from a few hundred becquerels, counts on a Geiger counter, to several hundred thousand becquerels because they re-concentrate it in their flesh. That’s another chain, another uptake route, to members of the public.

The other uptake route is as its swept along the eastern seaboard coastline of Japan, the tides will take it into the beach line, you get the intertidal strip […] here we’re talking about tiny particles of metal fuel being washed up on the beach line. They dry out between the tides, re-suspend and blow over the local communities. So you have a very efficient and effective way of dispersing the radioactivity to human beings a long way away from the plant. That’s the concern here.

See also: [intlink id=”nuclear-expert-fukushima-melted-fuel-is-migrating-out-of-containment-it-will-end-up-on-coastline-in-fine-particles-and-gets-blown-into-neighborhoods-health-harm-from-this-fuel-to-last-for-thous” type=”post”]{{empty}}[/intlink]

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Published: September 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm ET
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60 comments to Nuclear Expert: Melted fuel is exiting Fukushima site — Very effective way of it being dispersed to humans far away from plant — Situation is beyond man’s control — 3 or 4 times Chernobyl’s radioactivity available for release (AUDIO)

  • hbjon hbjon

    Canned food will decay in the can from radioactive stuff. In the past, canned food didn't decay if it was canned properly. Let it sit a few years, then inspect it before using.

    • hbjon hbjon

      Helium is a gas that is produced from alpha radiation right? Krypton, Radon, and Hydrogen are produced from SF or the decay of transurans or other radioisotopes, correct? Then, with all those gases being produced in a sealed can of food, won't the can eventually (given enough time) bulge out from a buildup of internal pressure? Normally, ten years of storage won't cause gases to form in canned foods. That was then, this is now? Perhaps oysters, clams, crab, and tuna should be carefully inspected before using. Thank goodness Alaskan products are still safe, right?

      • galenval

        The amount of these gasses produced would be too miniscule to create much internal pressure. You could probably do the math on this quite easily.

    • A Green Road – On Fukushima Beach 3 – The Bombing Of Kyoto http://youtu.be/2kLV51a4_6Q

  • SS4U SS4U

    This does not sound good for the Japanese people.

    • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

      It doesn't sound good for the west coast of North America either.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Z, Always liked this one to help keep me focused! 🙂
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAszZG6GRY8

      • galenval

        What numbers can the West Coast of the US expect? These things need to be quantified. For example, Iodine 131 does not exist in nature and has a very short half-life, about 8 days, so there is essentially none left over from the bomb testing. Therefore, ANY amount is certain to be a thousand or a million times normal. This sounds really bad, but when the base is essentially zero, these percentages are meaninless. What we need to know are meaningful numbers, Bq/l, Bq/m^2/bq/m^3, etc.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          You should contact Berkeley for an up to date projection for the immediate contamination picture here on the west coast and then their projection for the next thousand years.

          I do not believe there are any safe levels for exposures to any manmade created radioactive isotopes.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            Cesium Bio-Accumulates so there is no safe level, it will eventually build up in the kidneys etc.
            They are testing in Berkeley for cesium, just not telling people.

            http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/cesium-measured-doctors-data-standard-metals-tests.2012-04-26

            Also, Dr,. Conrad Miller has a good YT video talking about the dangers of the isotopes, and about the food supply.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Dd-5B-uUk

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Nice teamwork 😉

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                I had two graduates from Berkeley here yesterday at my home and I asked the educated female if we should shut down all the Nuclear Power Plants. Her statement to me was that the world could not meet its energy needs if we did such a thing.

                50% of the people now living on this planet will get cancer in their lifetimes and before the introduction of this Nuclear Technology and its contamination to our ecosystems the number was reported to be 1% of the populations.

                New projections are that the current 50% number will increase by 75 percent by 2030. This is not good news for any life present here on Planet Earth and the genetic damage is now spread far and wide in the past 60 years. All creatures living here are now being genetically damaged and are fighting the same type/kind cancers that we are as humans.

                Unless we end this current Nuclear Industry Technology direction the entire planet will end up being exterminated in the near future. I do not think this fact is up for any educated debate/discussion at this point, since the yellow cake road leads directly to this summary.

                Critical Thinking and Action is now advised for all humans that visit/read the links shared by the posters/contributors to this web site..

                The folowing statement appears to be very true….

                "You All Are Being Exterminated"

    • A Green Road – Get The Word OUT – PlumeGate Windshield Sunscreen http://youtu.be/X8v1gbkk2sI

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    "What we have in Fukushima is an accident with about 1/3 in terms of radioactivity the size of Chernobyl …." [See also: Study: Fukushima released 100 quadrillion becquerels of cesium into atmosphere… In just ONE day — About equal to Chernobyl's total release], " … but it hasn’t finished yet, so this accident is ongoing and there’s opportunity for the radioactivity on the site — which involved 3 reactors and not one as at Chernobyl, very roughly 3-4 times the amount of radioactivity is available for release — we can see that accident is still going on 2 years after the event.

    OK suppose it's true Fukushima released 100 quadrillion bequerels of cesium into the atmosphere in one day (which sounds like it's an amount in line with the estimate released in article below). If that's true, how does John Large, the nuclear consultant, come in with such a lowball estimate, i.e., the fuel will only release 3-4 times the amount of radiation released from Chernobyl?

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/

    It is really irritating to keep reading about these ridiculously low estimates of the amount of radiation Fukushima will release.

    IMO, the amount in Bob Nichol's article (Veterans Today) seems like a more accurate estimate.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      There is still ongoing burning of radioactive trash that results in gassification carrying radioactivity into the atmosphere.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Yes, that too, and no doubt it's re-distributing a significant amount of radioactive particles i to the atmosphere.

      • We Not They Finally

        Im hoping the billionaires and zillionaires and govts retreat to the worlds underground cities and wait until massive hydro volcanic radioactive explosions crush you all like insects…Since you have all created the destruction of the earth I hope you get what you deserve…
        The rest of us I hope will be rescued by the highly intelligent UFOS and friends.Obviously what goes around comes around and eternal suffering is in store for the monsters whose greed is destroying this world.

    • Kassandra

      Each reactor has a spent fuel pool, in addition to a larger common spent fuel pool at Daiichi. These pools contain radioactive spent fuel rods.

      According to a November 16 report by TEPCO titled, ‘Integrity Inspection of Dry Storage Casks and Spent Fuel at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station,’ as of March 2010 the Daini site held 1,060 tons of spent uranium fuel. The total spent uranium fuel inventory at Daiichi in March 2010 was reported as 1,760 tons.

      The 2010 report asserts that approximately 700 spent fuel assemblies are generated every year. It specifies that Daiichi’s 3,450 assemblies are stored in each of the six reactor’s spent fuel pools. The common spent fuel pool contains 6291 assemblies. The amount of MOX fuel stored at the plant has not been reported.

      Integrity Inspection of Dry Storage Casks and Spent Fuels at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (16 November 2010), http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/6-1_powerpoint.pdf.

    • We Not They Finally

      Bob Nichols has been "on it" from the start.

  • or-well

    What we`ve got here is failure to communicate.
    Some men you just can`t reach,
    so you get what we had here last week
    and since the start of this nuclear breach,
    there`s nuclear chains for you, every and each,
    so let that be a lesson to teach.
    WHACK!

    Thanks to the Warden in the film Cool Hand Luke.

  • razzz razzz

    Either they don't know or won't say for certain how much of the core at Chernobyl went airborne. I see arguments from 5% to 80% of the fuel left the building there with the explosion and ensuing 10 day fire.

    If scientists are relying on figures the IAEA uses for Chernobyl then they really aren't scientists.

    Same problem at Fuk-us with Unit 3's explosion, how much fuel went airborne in vapor or pieces or how much is left in its core and SFP?

    Scientists seem to know exactly how to calculate Unit 4's spent fuel pool contents then get really worried about if it gets released by (another) accident during future removal attempts.

    Units 1,2&3, have been releasing since 3/11 and still are releasing radioactive fallout in all directions and we not suppose to worry due to dilution except for the immediate areas surrounding Daiichi.

    Most scientists trying to have it both ways, worry but don't worry. A great fact finding opportunity for scientists while cancers rates go up.

  • weeman

    Situation is out of mankinds control, now let us get that into our heads, we will never full control the process of nature, we are so Nieve to believe we could or to truly start to understand the fundamentals off the make up the process.
    We are after all mere mortals and now we have put ourselves in mortal danger.
    Live with nature not for nature.
    I am ashamed of the human race, not to be trusted.

  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Bobby1's blog has visuals of the melted fuel "exiting"

    Contaminated water flowing into the sea.
    Posted on September 1, 2013
    These pictures were apparently taken Sept. 1. They show dark-colored radioactively contaminated water flowing onto the Fukushima beach. This is only one of the exit points of contamination from the Daiichi plant.

    http://optimalprediction.com/wp/contaminated-water-flowing-into-the-sea/

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Man builds stuff he knows that if some thing goes wrong there is no way to stop the damage, but really good people who do the right peopaganda saying it is safe will make the public buy it up every time! The nuclear industrail complex along withh the military, Central Bankers & just plain old greedy families have done more damage to the planet in the last 120 years than we will ever be able to repair! We will live & die with nuclear power & the dumb asses who run the show!

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    "At Chernobyl […] the radioactivity was controlled and held within a landmass…"

    Well not exactly: after the post-Chernobyl detection of an anomalous rad increase by the Scandanavian npp exposed the attempted Russian cover-up of the Chernobyl disaster, and subsequent European contamination was found in crops and vegetables, the joint EU-Ukraine venture undertook a 700 MIL$ French-designed Novarka Arch, which when completed in 2015 would allow the decontamination of Chernobyl unit 4 by the contracted American company.

    Photo no. 6 in the attached Daily Mail piece shows how overgrown FDNPPs 1-4 and 5-6 will probably also look like 20 years post-meltdown, with one major exception: the Nukushima photo will not show any such $2 BIL arch (large structure top right of center in photo 6), ready to be moved into position over the npps to allow the final decontamination, not to mention the tunnels dug at great human expense to pour a new containment under Chernobyl 4. nor the uncontrolled Fuku coriums spreading from the 'landmass' into the Pacific, and far beyond to the Americas:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402589/Vanishing-Chernobyl-Aerial-photos-devastated-town-radiation-disaster-zone-reclaimed-nature.html

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      My guess: history will validate my astonishment at the difference between 1) the heroic and deadly Chernobyl tunneling/containment/sarcophagi efforts, and subsequent unprecedented engineering and $2 BIL financial undertaking of the Novarka Arch by the admittedly-contaminated EU-Ukraine consortium countries, and 2) the techno-babble, water-cooling charade of the Japanese authorities, approved by politicized U.S. and world nuclear authorities.

      • No surprise… just logical. They claim only 10% of Chernobyl, so spend only 10% as much, and devote only 10% of the manpower to the 'cleanup'.

        Because they are lying to themselves, they come up against hard, cold reality, which does not match the 99% denial and coverup.

  • pkjn

    Tokyo Electric disaster is bigger a crises than what we saw at the beginning
    Sep 02, 2013 Russia Today
    Tokyo Electric is unaware itself of the scale of the problems: contamination and the leaks on Fukushima plant. Tokyo Electric disaster can get worse in terms of affecting people beyond Fukushima plant. There is 3 times as much caesium as was released by the Chernobyl accident.
    Tokyo Electric disaster is bigger a crises than what we saw at the beginning when the tsunami struck Fukushima plant. Tokyo Electric disaster is on-going crisis. The explosion of the reactors has become even worse than it was at the beginning.
    Tokyo Electric managing a nuclear disaster means you are going to have the approach – lack of transparency, dishonesty and not telling the truth to government, the public and the media. Japan gov. won`t do a better job than Tokyo Electric.
    http://rt.com/op-edge/japan-fukushima-tepco-nuclear-321/

    • Cesium is one thing, plutonium is quite another..

      Even if cesium is 3x Chernobyl, that is still NOTHING, compared to plutonium released.

      The rule is; 99% coverup, denial and minimization.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Hey Abe, two choices,

    The greed to go for the Olympic Gold,
    or the grace to save the Pacific Ocean.

    Japan put on hold as investors await Abe’s next move

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/618c5960-13ba-11e3-b0b4-00144feabdc0.html

    It's your move Abe…

  • larry-andrew-nils

    "Very effective way of it being dispersed to humans far away from plant"

    on purpose as act of covert chemical warfare.
    covert chemical warfare
    covert chemical warfare
    covert chemical warfare

    retaliation must involve solution

    thermite the site
    thermite the site
    thermite the site

    shelter in place

  • Jebus Jebus

    Chernobyl is hell's candle burning in time.

    Fukushima is hell's candelabra, that tipped over and started the curtains on fire…

    • Add about 50 gallons of gasoline that has been spread all over the house, but it is a special slow burning kind, that ignites immediately, but burns in 4-15 years, and cannot be put out.

  • W8R W8R

    MOX fuel = 6%+ Pu.
    Yes, they were breeding in 4.
    Yes photos of #4 fuel pool showed "irregular" rod assemblies.
    Yes they were running MOX in 3.
    Yes, Pu releases exceeding "ELE" levels.

    "Captain, this species appears to have died of ignorance."

  • We Not They Finally

    W8R: This species is dying from ignorance and greed. A fatal combination..But Selfish greed-ridden fools have led us to the final days..Anything can now happen..Dont despair everything thats born must die.And everything that dies will return if not to earth somewhere else.

  • What's really going on at Fukushima? Thousands of cars, trucks, buses, what are they working on. Trucks and trains all day and night removing radioactive waste, from where?…to where?….

    Recent Report by Yoichi Shimatsu…Radio Interview Aug 26th

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1an7TQKDmL4

    Transcript http://wyynd.tripod.com/Shimatsu.txt

    Secret Facilities, Thousands Dead…