Nuclear Expert on Major US Radio Show: ‘When I do the numbers, it says Fukushima is as bad or worse than Chernobyl’ (AUDIO)

Published: March 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm ET


Title: Japan Is Burning Radioactive Debris Until 2014
Source: Earthfiles via Coast to Coast AM
Author: Linda Moulton Howe
Date: March 30, 2012

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Transcript Excerpts from Interview with Fairewinds’ Chief Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen


Well, there are three different kinds of gases that were released. The noble gases are definitely worse than Chernobyl. There are scientific papers out that show this was THREE TIMES WORSE than Chernobyl as far as releases of noble gases.

The other is radioactive iodine and radioactive cesium. It’s a numbers game because nobody measured this stuff. There were no detectors working. They all lost their power and got blown to smithereens. The nuclear industry is trying to push the numbers to show that it is less than Chernobyl, but when I do the numbers, it says as bad or worse than Chernobyl. But Chernobyl was awful! So we’re comparing degrees of awfulness, but I think the noble gas data in Japan shows that it was three times worse than Chernobyl. […]

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Published: March 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm ET


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31 comments to Nuclear Expert on Major US Radio Show: ‘When I do the numbers, it says Fukushima is as bad or worse than Chernobyl’ (AUDIO)

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Three times worse, spreading radiation on the world, and all from one plant. What fool would think it was ever safe?

  • I think it is very brave of Arnie Gunderson to go on the record and say this was (at least) 3X as bad as Chernobyl.

    I'm serious.

    I don't always agree with his approach, but he has been the only forthcoming American (other than Enenews administrator!) when it comes to stepping out and stating publicly that Fukushima was worse than Chernobyl and caused substantial fallout on the US west coast.

    I think the Chernobyl issue is very important to those in power, but I'll explain later.

    The scholars who are studying noble gas releases and Iodine-131 in seaweed are also stepping out, but they are doing it by providing important data.

    The information is starting to become more public, which is good since the disaster is far from over.

    we must not loose our momentum on this…

    • Anthony Anthony

      I totally agree.

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Arnie and Maggie Gundersen are an awesome couple and have contributed vast amounts of time and energy to fight the evils of nuclear power. I shall never forget Arnie during the Three Mile Island fiasco and to this day continues to be a voice of reason quelling the roaring machine of nuclear power. jmho

    • Wasn't it Arnie who said early on that Fukushima could end up being "Chernobyl on steroids?" Someone said that (think it was Arnie), and I was SO glad to see someone in the thick of things actually say what we all knew as soon as unit-1 blew and the rest were running away.

      …stuff you've got to be careful of saying, but a truth taking place and getting worse moment to moment – which no one can stop – that really is as bad as it gets.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    EPA FAIL: Radioactive Food, Leaking Nuclear Plants: Helen Caldicott

  • dear jones

    If just three time as bad as Chernobyl then the Japanese are lucky!!

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      I think it's much much worse. Japan is a small country FULL OF PEOPLE. Chernobyl was not only CONTROLLED/ENTOMBED right away, they are further spread out. What the hell am I saying! ANY NUKE BREACHED IS A FUCKING KILLER! 🙁

      • kimyo

        (didn't listen yet) it's likely that gunderson is talking about atmospheric releases only. factor in the releases into the ocean and we're probably talking about chernobyl times 10.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Some say 100's or even 1000's. Don't forget we're considering spent fuel rods burning and/or being vaporized, which may be 100's or 1000's of times worse.

          And daily, ongoing releases, with full meltdowns.

          The fuel at Chernobyl was partly melted down.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Bottom line is it's anyone's guess. Going on radiation levels in and around northern Japan prefectures, it's bad. And now we know radiation levels in fish off the California coastline (Iodine 133) were really high. No doubt it's a major disaster for at least the entire Northern Hemisphere.

            I tend to believe the reports Marco Kaltofen did along with the Gundersons. Kaltofen found really high levels of all kinds of things, all over the U.S.

    • Bobby1

      There are probably 3 Chernobyls that are in just the cooling water and the radioactive water stored on the site.

  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    I want new viewers to understand what 3 times worse really means…to understand why ALL NUKES MUST CLOSE

    Watch this short film to see the legacy left behind from radiation. Do you want this for your children?

    In Chernobyl congenital heart defects & cancer in the region have increased 250%. In Belarus, only 15-20% of babies are born healthy. Some children are born with multiple holes in their heart, a condition known in Belarus as “Chernobyl heart.”

    …Fukushima is 3 to 5 times worse….On April 26, 1986, the worst nuclear accident in history occurred when a reactor exploded at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine, releasing 90 times the radioactivity of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    "No degree of prosperity could justify the accumulation of large amounts of highly toxic substances which nobody knows how to make “safe” and which remain an INCALCULABLE danger to the whole of creation for historical or even GEOLOGICAL AGES. To do such a thing is a transgression against life itself, a transgression infinitely more serious than any crime ever perpetrated by man. The idea that a civilization could sustain itself on the basis of such a transgression is an ethical, spiritual, and metaphysical monstrosity. It means conducting the economic affairs of man as if people (all life forms) really did not matter at all.” — E.F. Schumacher

    • americancommntr

      What you said in the last paragraph reminded me of some things and caused the thought of another. This comment is for people who are open to thinking about such things, and aren't sensitive or offended by the Bible.

      According to the Bible, Satan was a created angel being, who decided to try to usurp God, and convinced one third of all the angels to join him in his attempt. Because God limits what Satan can do on earth, and Satan know his rebellion will fail. So he's angry. He can't do anything to God, but he can and does seek to destroy those made in God's image, man, especially those who believe in Jesus.

      If one thinks about it, nuclear weapons must be a major behind-the-scenes effort to enable destroying all men. That's been held back, apparently, especially considering the few times we were on the brink just by accident(which is probably a fraction of the truthful number).

      Now, one can see that nuclear power is the same thing. The world's peppered with NPPs and SFPs, just waiting for a major solar flare, or EMP attack, or melee along with nuclear war.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Md @ hp just posted this:
    Japan’s Near Miss
    Large Scale Nuclear Catastrophe and the Ongoing Crisis
    by Richard Wilcox / March 31st, 2012
    REALLY good article
    I'll have to read it tomorrow 🙁 nite

  • howardtlewisiii

    x=mass of fission reactor fuel per reactor
    D=duration of release yielding distribution of radioactive material
    X=mass of Chernobyl fuel=200 pounds
    3X= approximate mass of fuel in reactors at Fukushima. Reactor 4 is reported and proven to have been absent for repair and refueling. The cause of explosion is thus in need of explanation.
    Carry the 5….. The radiation off Fukushima is a few hundred times that of Chernobyl. So far.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Doesn't even need to be compared to Chernobyl because we're witnessing what this nuclear accident is doing ..taking out a whole country, and part of another, right in front of our eyes.

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Pneumonia cases in Japan still higher than usual – see the graph:
    the fine blue line is from 2011….the red 2012 graph is still much higher than in the 10 previous years… 🙁

  • killedbydeath

    ALERT looks like there's a fire right now on the tepco webcams anyone ?

  • killedbydeath

    also helicopters

  • dosdos dosdos

    I've been saying that Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl for a year, and MSM is still saying the opposite. Even without the Xenon (which blanketed the entire northern hemisphere before it decayed into cesium), Fukushima is still the worst in history as far as total bequerels released.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    All down playing…whether from the pro-nuke set..or the approved opposition..takes away from the immediacy of the danger…
    SOS from Fukushima…
    213 views..geeze…

  • Anthony Anthony

    ****The present state of the other reactors is not so rosy either, recently unit two was found to be Hotter Than Hell and lacking proper water for cooling the 73 sievert corium glob. Units one and three are so radioactive there is no way to even assess their conditions with present monitoring technology. Technical problems and leakages of highly radioactive water constantly plague the disaster site.4 ,5 The logistical problems described by Naka and Gunderson are just mind boggling, why isn’t there an all-out international effort underway to save Japan and the world?****

  • This comment is pending approval and won't be displayed until it is approved.

    Excellent video, German reporters in Japan, investigating Fukushima.

    The whole lies, report fabrications, regulatory capture, are laid bare in this sub-titled report. At minutes 11 and 16 ex Prime Minister Kan details in no uncertain terms how the Nuclear Village operates through lies, extortion, personnel insertions into government and then back into TEPCO.

    Permanent storage here

    This is coming right from the top. This has been reviewed by a Japanese national who is also fluent in English and they agree that the translation is absolutely correct.