Nuke Experts: Fukushima plant must be entombed like Chernobyl — Reactors will remain a threat to world “for the rest of time” — “Humanly impossible” to clean up due to shockingly high radiation levels

Published: February 14th, 2017 at 12:45 pm ET


EnviroNews World News, Feb 6, 2017 (emphasis added): The astronomical readings bring major concerns to a cleanup operation already spiraling out of control — flying blindly into territory previously uncharted in the history of nuclear power…. To top it off, 530 sieverts per hour might not be the worst cleanup workers have to worry about. TEPCO also stated that surface-level radiation readings from parts inside the plant’s pressure vessels can reach “several thousand sieverts per hour,” compounding what are already seemingly unsurmountable tasks in the decommissioning process. Esteemed nuclear expert, engineer, and former reactor operator Arnie Gundersen told EnviroNews World News in an email that the position of Fairewinds, his educational non-profit, is that radiation levels are presently way to high to remove the melted fuel, and that the reactors should be entombed, like was done with Chernobyl’s sarcophagus, for at least a century before attempting dismantlement. “[These readings do] make dismantling the facility almost impossible for 100 or more years, as the exposure to workers would be too significant,” Gundersen said.

Snopes, Feb 7, 2017: In a statement they sent to us, Tepco [said] “The level of radiation discovered was higher than expected… Extra precautions have been taken to prevent leaks of radiation during the investigation.”… What that means, engineer and San Diego State business professor Dr. Murray Jennex told us, is that clean-up just became much more difficult than expected… “The structures are holding but inside where the fuel melted, it went all over the place…” Jennex, an expert on nuclear containment… surmised that Tepco would ultimately be forced to build a concrete sarcophagus around the unit like the one that encapsulates reactor no. 4 at Chernobyl. He added that they “may have to let nature take its course for a while.”

Sputnik, Feb 11, 2017: This level of radiation [at Fukushima Unit 2] is beyond extreme, even in comparison to the inside of the Chernobyl reactor, where radiation levels are ‘only’ 34 Sv/hr.

Dr. Helen Caldicott, Feb 13, 2017: … it will be almost impossible to “decommission” units 1, 2 and 3 as no human could ever be exposed to such extreme radiation; and that this fact means that Fukushima Daichi will remain a diabolical blot upon Japan and the world for the rest of time, sitting as it does on active earthquake zones… Bottom line, these reactors will never be cleaned up nor decommissioned because such a task is humanly impossible

Guardian, Feb 3, 2017: Tepco [has] yet to identify the location and condition of melted fuel in the three most seriously damaged reactors. Removing it safely represents a challenge unprecedented in the history of nuclear power.

Washington Post, Feb 8, 2017: [TEPCO] has released some jaw-dropping figures… The cleanup is taking much longer than expected… And Japan’s National Institute of Radiological Sciences said medical professionals had never even thought about encountering this level of radiation in their work. Fumiya Tanabe, a nuclear safety expert and former chief research scientist at the Japan Atomic Energy Research Institute, said while experts expected the radiation reading inside the Daiichi reactors to be high, it was still “shocking” to learn how high it was six years on. “It will be very difficult to operate robots in there for a long time to come, and to remove the melted fuel. So the finding might greatly affect the decommissioning time schedule,” he said.

See also: “Unimaginable”: Record high radiation levels at Fukushima plant — “Gaping hole” found under containment vessel — Officials now admit: “It’s highly possible melted fuel leaked through” (VIDEO)

Published: February 14th, 2017 at 12:45 pm ET


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412 comments to Nuke Experts: Fukushima plant must be entombed like Chernobyl — Reactors will remain a threat to world “for the rest of time” — “Humanly impossible” to clean up due to shockingly high radiation levels

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Re: Toshiba; I just wonder if all the hype and stall isn't to bring down the price because US Nuclear (gov or corp) intends to buy it or bail it.
    Toshiba America Medical Systems, Tustin, California, has been awarded a maximum $827,608,050 firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract for radiology systems, accessories and training. This is a five-year base contract with one five-year option period. This was a competitive acquisition with 27 responses received. Location of performance is California, with a Feb. 2, 2022, performance completion date. Using customers are Air Force, Army, Navy, Marine Corps and federal civilian agencies. Type of appropriation is fiscal 2017 through fiscal 2022 defense working capital funds. The contracting activity is the Defense Logistics Agency Troop Support, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (SPE2D1-17-D-0022).

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    The Big Picture: 'Fukushima Is Still Melting Down.' Kevin Kamps.

  • Checkmate

    Don't want throw cold water on the hope of extinguishing- But this problem has existed since Madame Curi and groups of scientists have been trying to find a dry chemical or liquid solution to solve this problem for over 60 years and they haven't come up with answer- thus it means they probably won't find one for another 60 years.
    This is similar to the cures for Cancer- they tried to find a cure from Chemicals for over 100 years and still have not produced one. The same for radiation.
    Now I ask you what is the rush to stop the radiation from Fuku, when Chem-trails are causing the majority of more damage and health problems. Here is the proof- the trees are dying all over the place in the US and Canada. But my friends the same thing did not happen when Cher blew. So using Logic to compare the areas around both Fuku and Cher-you tell me why the trees are being destroyed in the US and Canada and not around the former destroyed reactors. Interesting observation, isn't it?

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    Great read…

    The World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2009***

    …Japan operates 53 reactors that in 2008 provided 24.9% of the country’s electricity. In 2002 nuclear energy had produced almost 35% of Japan’s electricity. Two units at Hamaoka were officially shut down definitively on 22 December 2008. [348] They had not produced any power since 2001 and 2004 respectively. However, they were never listed in the IAEA’s “long term shut down” category and were taken off the operating reactors’ list only in January 2009.

    A massive falsification scandal starting in August 2002 led to the shut down of all of Tokyo Electric Power Company’s 17 nuclear reactors. [349] Later the scandal widened to other nuclear utilities. No wonder that the nuclear electricity generation in the country dropped by over a quarter between 2002 and 2003 and the average load factor of the Japanese nuclear plants crashed to less than 60%. The falsification of quality-control data re-surfaced in April 2009 when Hitachi detected that inspection records for heat-welded pipes had been manipulated and launched an investigation. [350]

    On 16 July 2007 a severe earthquake measuring 6.8 on the Richter scale hit the region that houses TEPCO’s Kashiwasaki-kariwa plant. The plant with seven units is the largest single nuclear power station in the world.

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      The reactors were shut down and have remained closed since for damage verification and repairs. Since the seismic acceleration of the quake detected at one of the reactors was at least 2.5 times as high as the design basis of the nuclear facilities, it is unclear under what conditions the units can restart. When on 11 October 2007 the first vessel head was taken off unit seven for inspection, one control rod was stuck in the core and could not be moved. This means that a key safety feature was not properly working. The discovery is likely to lead to additional delays in the operation of the units. The capacity factor for the financial year ending 31 March 2009 was again only 60%.

      In February 2009 the Nuclear Safety Commission granted permission to restart unit seven, considered to be the least damaged on the site. On 5 March 2009 for the eighth time since operator TEPCO prepared for restart and Niigata Prefecture requested additional assurances for safety, a fire broke out on the Kashiwasaki site. By 8 May 2009 the local authorities gave in to “intense pressure from TEPCO and the central government” and authorized restart of unit seven against significant protests. [351] The fate of the other Kashiwasaki units remains uncertain.

      Officially two reactors are listed as under construction, down from three in 2003. The Monju reactor is still considered to be in “long term shutdown”.

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        Further construction plans are vague and have been scaled back several times. Construction starts at Ohma, Fukushima and Higashidori have been delayed again by at least one year. Toshiba, which owns Westinghouse, has filed a record $3.6 billion deficit for the last financial year and has reduced planned investment by 42% for the current financial year. [352]

        The plutonium separation plant in Rokkasho-mura started active testing in March 2006. The reprocessing facility with a nominal annual throughput of 800 t experienced its first technical problems less than a month later (a leak in the cleaning tank for hulls and nozzles). The accidents and scandals of the last years have significantly delayed introduction of plutonium in MOX (uranium-plutonium mixed oxide) fuel. So far, no MOX fuel has been used, and Japan has a significant stock of plutonium, about 47 t, of which about 38 t are in France and the UK. A shipment of MOX fuel fabricated in France and containing about 1.7 t of plutonium reached Japan on 18 May 2009. The construction of Japan’s own MOX fuel fabrication facility, which is many years behind schedule, is now supposed to start in November 2009. Additional seismic protection has driven up the cost estimate again by 46% to, currently, $2 billion. [353]

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      Nuclear: You've been had.

      Revelation of Endless N-damage Cover-ups
      the “TEPCO scandal” and the adverse trend of easing inspection standards

  • Checkmate

    Thanks Jeb- Sorry, I was talking about the areas ranging over 1,000+ miles for damage from Cher. And using that figure radius from Cher, Fuku should not have caused tree bark peeling in Nova Scotia, Canada or Wisconsin.

    The Chem trails laden with nuclear waste was announced to be sprayed in the US by our government starting a year ago last Feb., which probably has caused the most damage here to trees. And chances are, they were probably spraying nuke way before that announcement.

    Fuku Radiation is a big problem, but Chem-trails are increasing worst in my opinion. At Fuku they can't do much- but with Chem-trails they could stop immediately.

    Check out: (also their documentary on YouTube)

    • rogerthat

      .. a local doctor is now speaking out. …

      • theworldisalie theworldisalie

        I'm sure that won't last long. Can't be discussing people getting sick, especially if it's linked to something that involves big money.

        You are only allowed to believe that all of these new illnesses, cancers and auto immune disorders everyone and their dog's are getting are just due to bad luck and complete randomness.

        Chemicals and nuclear waste everywhere in the environment are normal and harmless. It's more dangerous to eat potato chips.

  • speaking of uncleanup-able
    Chapter 2: Chronic Beryllium Disease and Hanford
    also story covered on King5 Seattle tv:

    …"'Yes, we know that there was a beryllium project back in the 1970s or 80s, and that's where our cases seem to be coming from,'" said Paul Wambach, an HSS industrial hygienist. "But we don't really have that at Hanford, so this leaves open that our exposure monitoring is missing something."

    According to Hanford data submitted to HSS, employees who've been sensitized or have CBD include not only the trade workers tearing down old plutonium processing buildings but also administrative employees whose work is largely confined to desks — a testament to the mobility of beryllium dust. In one CBD case documented in medical literature, a woman's only exposure to beryllium was thought to be via the clothes that her husband brought home from work. Beryllium dust appears to be the cockroach of safety hazards. Wipe samples have found it in areas far more varied than historical operations would suggest, including overhead cranes, circuit breakers and ventilation ducts.

    Because beryllium dust travels so readily, declaring a facility clean based on records indicating the absence of prior beryllium work — a practice the HSS inspectors were informed of and noted in their letters — is potentially dangerous in the absence of rigorous new testing. And many buildings have not…

  • Gasser Gasser

    The World is broken
    Clicked on enenews for good news I was hopein'
    Turns out it has gotten worse, the Worlds broken.
    Clicked on Fairewinds to hear what Arnie has spoken
    He indicates Japan and TEPCOs efforts are money broken.
    Clicked on A Green Road to read how many will be croakin'
    Soon won't be anyone alive to fix 440 reactors that will be broken.
    Clicked on MSM news to see if they know Fukushima's smoking'
    Their news is only about Hollywood marriages that have been broken.
    Clicked on Extinction Protocol to check on Doomsday bad news no jokin'
    I see photos of man/natures devastation causing everything to be broken.
    Clicked on Radiation network to check for any spike CPM's approachin'
    Found out the site was down, they're Geiger counter Mueller tube is broken.
    Clicked onto Wikipedia for more nuke insight and learned a lot by curiosity pokin'
    It all sifts down to, culture, politics, science, and religion moral code's have been broken.
    ~Gasser Classic~

  • everywhere you click click, give the dog a bones…this old man goes roiling home…

  • Susannah Frame, KING 12:02 AM. PST February 17, 2017






    Dave Aardal conducted some of the most dangerous work at Hanford during his 10 years of employment at the former nuclear weapons production facility. Part of his job included training on safety measures and equipment, during which he was assured that following the protocols would keep him safe from toxic chemicals and radioactive waste.

    But six years after being removed from his job by Hanford medical professionals due to illness, Aardal, a 45-year-old father of three, is gravely sick and dying from a rare illness called chronic beryllium disease (CBD).

    There is only one way to contract CBD: A person must be exposed to too much beryllium — a highly toxic metal used in the production of nuclear weapons.

    The U.S. Department of Energy, which manages the Hanford cleanup, concedes many facilities there have significant beryllium contamination. And outside of some aerospace jobs in Western Washington, Hanford is one of the only places in the state where beryllium exists in sufficient quantities to pose a threat to health.

    After Aardal’s diagnosis of CBD in 2008, he followed protocol and filed a workers compensation claim through the contractor tasked with managing the claims of Hanford workers, Penser North America. He believed approval would come…

    • freebywill

      “They can take a sick worker and completely cut off all of our pay, all of our health benefits to the point of basically being almost homeless,” said Christine Aardal. “It’s a perfect example of how they treat the workers and their families like dirt and could care less. They’re the cause of this. They’re the cause that our life is ruined. And they knew what they were doing.”

      [ it's how the newkiller charade works. ]

  • another huge part of the dying trees, beyond aluminum and barium from jets is the bark beetle, millions of trees dying from, probably accelerated by fallout collection and absorption loss of immune systems.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

      Aug. 10, 2014


      “The protective layer of Ozone (03) layer surrounds the Earth between six and thirty miles above sea level and filters solar and cosmic rays from reaching our planet. According to Walter Russell in his book Atomic Suicide? (1957) radiation released into the atmosphere would break down oxygen…and by extrapolation I assume ozone also. He said that if the development of the nuclear weaponry and nuclear industry continues it will eventually destroy the planet’s oxygen. “It will not take many years to utterly destroy the encircling protective walls which surround this planet and protect the Earth from burning up by the sun’s hot rays.” (Walter Russell, Newsletter of the University of Science and Philosophy 1957).

      “’Decay products of uranium and plutonium, including radioactive isotopes of iodine and xenon, have an enormous capability of destroying ozone. Vast quantities of these ozone-destroyers reached the Arctic region within four days of the March’11 meltdowns and for months thereafter, possibly to the present day.’


      “I am working on a tritium toxicity theory arising from my observations of the changes in morphology this year.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

        Tritium (3H) is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen that emits beta particles with a maximum energy of 18 keV (average 5.7 keV) as it decays into helium. Tritium is a naturally occurring radioactive form of hydrogen that is produced in the atmosphere when cosmic rays collide with air molecules. As a result, tritium is found in very small or trace amounts in groundwater throughout the world. The nucleus of tritium (sometimes called a triton) contains one proton and two neutrons, the extra neutron makes it unstable. Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years and emits a weak form of radiation, a low-energy beta particle similar to an electron; that appears to be 2-3 times more able to cause some kinds of damage in biological material than do gamma-rays. Dr. Tore Straume (1995) stated that the biological effects of tritium beta rays were likely to be substantially larger, i.e. 4 to 5 times larger, than previously thought.

        “The radiation from tritium doesn’t travel very far in air and cannot penetrate the skin, however ingesting, inhaling or absorbing it poses a serious threat to human health. Once tritium enters the body, it disperses quickly and is uniformly distributed throughout the soft tissues. Since the body is not able to distinguish between radioactive and non-radioactive chemicals. Tritium is excreted through the urine within a month or so after ingestion.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

          Organically bound tritium (tritium that is incorporated in organic compounds) can remain in the body for a longer period.

          “Low dose effects of chronic ionizing radiation exposure led to several non-cancerous effects: Iron accumulation, modification of cytochrome P450 expression, changes in vitamin D metabolism, increases in paradoxical sleep and anxiety, a decrease in short-term memory, changes of oxidative defenses, and modification of cellular density in the intestinal mucosa, decrease in arterial pressure, and a decrease in mitochondrial function….”

  • SadieDog

    Robot abandoned inside Fukushima reactor 2 after first attempt,

    • SadieDog

      "In the latest hitch in efforts to decommission reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, a robotic surveyor became mired in deposits and was lost on its maiden journey on Feb. 16.

      Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the plant in Fukushima Prefecture, had to abandon the Sasori (scorpion) robot after it became stuck inside the containment vessel of the power station's No. 2 reactor that morning.

      The highly touted probe was specially developed for the important task of surveying the interior of the crippled reactor and collecting data to assist in removing the melted fuel.

      But with the environment inside too treacherous for a key component in the process, TEPCO’s decommissioning project seems to have come to a standstill."

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    This is the agency whom oversees US public health and safety for nuclear reactors:

    …The available evidence does not show any effect on the number of adverse pregnancy outcomes, delivery complications, stillbirths or overall health of children among the families living in the most contaminated areas. (UNSCEAR 2008, pg. 65)…

    … The NRC published the second phase's results in April 1989 as NUREG-1251, "Implications of the Accident at Chernobyl for Safety Regulation of Commercial Nuclear Power Plants in the United States." The agency concluded that the lessons learned from Chernobyl fell short of requiring immediate changes in the NRC's regulations.

    The NRC published its Chernobyl follow-up studies for U.S. reactors in June 1992 as NUREG-1422. While that report closed out the immediate Chernobyl follow-up research program, some topics continue to receive attention through the NRC's normal activities. For example, the NRC continues to examine Chernobyl's aftermath for lessons on decontaminating structures and land, as well as how people are returned to formerly contaminated areas.


    6000 children born every year in the Ukraine with congenital heart defects such as ‘Chernobyl Heart’.

    At least 40,000 of these men have died and a further 70,000 are disabled. Twenty percent of these deaths were suicides.

  • Sol Man

    The forest in CO are more brown than green. That is the way standing dead trees are. 834 million trees dead.

  • There is some lesson in this, some cognitive dissonance of nature.

    The ocean still looks so beautiful, even we have killed off 90% of its life, and continue with a "gross insult" via Fukushima.

    Bunch of pictures here of Makaha Beach shot last weekend. Check out the detail on some of the wave splashes.

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    Imagine highly concentrated, invisible, "Atmospheric Rivers" and "ocean streams" of FDNPP radiation poisoning, becoming recognized and measured, rendering "sampling" and "dilution" meaningless:

  • Stock has some awesome pics. I myself live on scenic Panorama Ridge overlooking Mud
    Bay with Crescent Beach on the other side. We all may die of plutonium sushi one day but for right now life is beautiful.

  • Just have to ask is the cup half full or half empty. Or is it the wrong cup…..or the wrong question? I'm sure many average type people who actually gave a shit enough to actually follow Fukushima from the outset knew intuitively accident serious and sarcophagus inevitable and "clean-up" is laughable as if we will all be playing tennis on the site in ten years. Like you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. Right honorable Trump is kicking ass and this poor Canadian never in his wildest dreams ever thought to hear an American president accuse Mainstream Media of making up news. Super sweet!

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    …Public perceptions of the nuclear industry have also been permanently tarnished. After a series of public protests in 2011, the German government of Angela Merkel reversed its energy policy and pledged to shut down 17 reactors by 2022. These plants had met 20 per cent of the country’s energy needs. In Britain, Toshiba recently sold its stake in an unfinished English plant and announced intentions to stop building new reactors altogether.

    The sting has also been felt in Khazakstan, the world’s largest uranium producer by volume. In January, state-owned Kazatomprom announced a ten- per-cent cut in output due to poor market conditions and global oversupply.

    But just as fissures precede fission, there may be hope for Cameco, demonstrated in a discrepancy between market potential and current performance. In December, Palisade Research confidently declared that uranium stocks had finally bottomed out, with nowhere to go but up.

    According to the Nuclear Energy Institute, there are currently 60 nuclear units under construction in 15 countries worldwide, the bulk of which will be operational by 2025 – there are also more than 160 others in the licensing and advanced planning stages. More than half of the reactors under construction are in China (20), Russia (seven) and India (five).


    I get so tired of listening to people say this is a result of people that don't care or our world doesn't have the money or it's some sort of culling the world's populations!

    Do you care about your kids?

    Your grandparents?

    The future of the world?

    Me too and so do the folks that are working feverishly on stopping these things!!!!

    Why don't they just simply seal it up?

    Here's a great example of why!!!

    Simple physics tells that tale…

    It's not a conspiracy, it's not the lack of funds or greedy people that want everyone to die, it's the facts known from physics and years of study by thousands of caring individuals.

    NOONE is drilling into or scooping out these blobs, they can't even say for sure where they are!!!!

    The robot that brought us proof the number 2 reactor is a so called "China Syndrome" only lasted 30 minuets before dying and cant EVER be brought back out because of the contamination embedded in the metal shielding.

    Yep this stuff penetrates and contaminates ANYTHING that get's near it and if you were to even find something that could get close to any of the corium blobs you risk a reaction that could end thew world.

    Just get a case of nitro glycerin and beat it with a sledge hammer, the odds are better the world would survive than to even thing about a drill bit getting anywhere near that stuff, much less the reaction from trying to drill…

    • GOM GOM


      Tell It!! I'm in total fcking agreement of everything you put out there..Now I will attempt to show that, state by state, day after day, we are losing the ability to survive. Due to abrupt climate shift. WHY do think the new administration has killed the subject.

      Don't look around, you might get scared..

      Way to go HippieD..

      • Time to say NO MORE!!!!

        The truth WILL set us free to find a solution!!!!!

        The trurh will give out best and brightest the ammo needed to find a solution to the Fukushima nightmare!!

        Most are scared, does NO good, some think it's all over so why care, a fools folly, it ain't over till it's over…

        Some will step up and find a solution if given the real and correct information… MORE POWER (and funds) TO EM!!!!

        The rest will sit around, complain and dream up fake cartoon like stuff to talk about, nothing we can do about that.

        Real is real, BS is BS, complaining and blaming folks won't help, looks like GOM will do the work and try to help make a difference!!!!

        You go man, if I can help you let me know…

        …be a example of the truth for us all!!!

        • Oops typo…

          The truth will give our best and brightest the ammo needed to find a solution to the Fukushima nightmare!! Let's get everyone especially our children started studying this problem and…

          SHUT EM (nuclear) DOWN WORLD WIDE ASAP!!!!

          Dooooooooooooo it, Dooooooooooooo it now before it's too late…

          E=MC duhh…

        • SadieDog

          Blah, blah, blah. Hypocrite.

          • "Blah, blah, blah. Hypocrite"

            What good do you do? Complain all the time and follow fairy tales and repeat them as truth?

            Maybe one day you'll start studying real scientific facts instead of wasting time putting other people down…

            In real circles we call that just another fool…

            But hey don't feel left out, your common nowadays. Got internet and a computer huh, not a clue what to actually do with it…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      HDog, if you cant touch it, move it, cut it, decommission it, cover it, entomb it, filter it, what exactly do you think they should do with it? No rock videos, thanks in advance

      Note that you can peel apart the flaking chernobyl elephants foot with some sticky suff on the end of a stick. The more metallic stuff at the bottom you could cut by hand with a hack saw tied to a 200 foot long pole (held up with bungee cords)

      • "The more metallic stuff at the bottom you could cut by hand with a hack saw tied to a 200 foot long pole (held up with bungee cords)"

        That's funny code…

        We must come up with a chemical solution to stop the fission…

        It will take years to actually happen because the fuel is in a blob mixed with every contaminate known and has made new elements never known before.

        Ya just can't get anything to penetrate to the center for cooling or to stop the reactions…

        Short answer? There's nothing that can be done but to try to keep em cool enough to not blow out of these holes like the worlds biggest cannon…

        Reality. Why do you think nothing's being done? More insulated in the ground and shielded underwater, that's as long as they can keep the area diluted with fresh water, if that stops for any length of time, hang it up…

        Kaboommmmmmmmmmmmm and we are sick and dying in our basements in a matter of a few miserable months…

        "if you cant touch it, move it, cut it, decommission it, cover it, entomb it, filter it, what exactly do you think they should do with it?"

        Leave it right where it is until such time as we can find a way to really shut it down… That's the nuclear reactions that will continue on forever until someone invents a way to stop them.

        The blobs are insulated by the ground and buildings, moving the blobs (completely impossible at this time) will only spread the contamination and make the whole thing 100000000000000 times…

        • I will take 20 years from the time someone invents a chemical to stop these runaway fission reactions to actually stop them to a point where you could dig them out! And then where are you going to put them?

          Here's a idea, let's contaminate another place? That place Fuku is done already, even if you could move that crap it wouldn't matter. Why would you move this crap around and contaminate another place on earth?

          And then you risk all sorts of other problems that haven't even been thought of yet…

          Ya can't move it, hell nothing can even get near it!!!!

          Gates of hell? You bet ya…

          No rock song needed…

          But how about all those people that do very hard jobs (and take it very seriously) so you can sit around and eat pizza?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            The reason to take down Fukushima is that its a pending catastrophe. You move it because its at the worst spot. Bring the spent fuel down to ground level, dry cask, get the corium from the leach field

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            why do you keep saying nobody can get near the corium? Thats what tools are for, so you dont have to. But Im not up on the ongoing fission. Do you have any papers on it?

            • " Do you have any papers on it"

              I did but graduated high school science class back in the 80's, don't know where I put em 🙂




              • SadieDog

                "In a postulated severe accident of a light water reactor (LWR), behavior of core melt (mixture of molten core and structural materials) determines progression and consequence of the accident. While in-vessel retention (IVR) of molten core (corium) is desirable from the viewpoint of accident management, eventual failure of a reactor pressure vessel (RPV) may be inevitable for the current LWRs and some of the advanced LWR designs if core cooling cannot be recovered [1]. Hence, discharge of corium into the reactor cavity and spreading on the containment concrete basemat are expected in the late phase of an LWR severe accident, leading to molten core concrete interaction (MCCI). If sufficient amount of corium is accumulated on the basemat without any mitigation measures, the corium may gradually ablate through the basemat and the walls of the reactor pit and may lead to release of large amount of fission product (FP) to the environment.
                Hence numerous experiments have been conducted and various simulation codes have been developed and validated against experiments to understand the melt spreading behavior and MCCI. However, many of these codes exhibited difficulties of tracking free surface and calculating…"

              • SadieDog

                "…temperature profile of the melt without use of empirical equations obtained from experiments [2-4]. There were large uncertainties among different codes in predicting axial and lateral concrete ablations during MCCI [5-9]. Moreover, there is only preliminary understanding about mitigation and termination of MCCI by water flooding [5, 10]. Hence, understanding of these melt spreading behavior and MCCI need further improvement."

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  wow Sadie, you actually read that stuff? Find anything about ongoing fission of corium in there?

                  • SadieDog

                    Nope. But they apparently do use water as a cooling mechanism. 😉

                  • Well code does have a reading comp problem after all… We just proved it..

                    Here's the statement…

                    "There were large uncertainties among different codes in predicting axial and lateral concrete ablations during MCCI [5-9]. Moreover, there is only preliminary understanding about mitigation and termination of MCCI by water"

                    If You people need to be convinced that the blobs at Fukushima are still in active fission and will continue for the next 100+ years you should give up on studying this mess and go take up golf…

                    It's obviously passed you by already and is WAYYYYYYYYY over your heads…

                    So instead of playing kids games while the death of millions is happening from daily fresh fission coming from this place (Fuku), you could be playing a video game or pool or watching a ball game or anything but trying to downplay the severity of this problem.

                    None of those things will help save you life or the lives of your parents, children or grandchildren.

                    But according to you guys it all just a ice cream scoop away from being solved anyway right?

                    So what are you wanting to know?

                    Sadie Dog can cut n' paste and code shutdown can argue with a signpost that says STOP on it in big bold letters about wither it actually says STOP and actually means it or not but how is that helping again?

                    And we can just chisel these blobs out and get rid of em with a great big scooper?


                    Well we might as well just go home and not even worry about it huh…

                    • SadieDog

                      Lol. You're a joke.

                    • SadieDog

                      Excuse me, a 'sudo'-joke.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Hippie: "If You people need to be convinced that the blobs at Fukushima are still in active fission and will continue for the next 100+ years you should give up on studying this mess and go take up golf…"

                      "There's a good reason for takin' the easy way out."

                    • Yepper either cut n' pasters that'll jump on any bandwagon that get's them attention or completely uneducated folks that don't understand anything about the physics involved here…

                      Either way people that cause trouble and spread misinformation are what they are…

                      It's sad that folks only want to argue and get nothing accomplished and turn right around and gripe that no one's doing anything like it's some sort of conspiracy.

                      Go ahead and play sad silly little games while people plants and animals go extinct by the millions and our food and water gets poisoned for millennia…

                      Hope you are having fun wasting precious time being like that…

                      It's getting really short for some. My aunt just died of cancer, recon she would appreciate the misinformation?

                      The day she was hospitalized the nurse at her doctors appointment rushed her to the ER because of high potassium levels… Potassium?

                      Doesn't cesium mimic potassium?

                      She died 3 days later…

                      I don't think your silly little games are going to help when it happens to you or you child or your aunt…

                      Some of us are actually trying to get the real truth out before someone else has to die for no other reason than not knowing how to take precautions against this stuff…

                      Scoop it out? Yea that cancer coming your way will be a simple scooper thing huh.

                      You people don't really take anything seriously do ya.

                      Too bad and so sad…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      MCCI= molten corium-concrete interaction. This is important for understanding how far the corium can melt through, and specifically the heat transfer, which is about 13.0 W∙m∙K. The corium blasts into pieces but can remelt together at the bottom. It stratifies with the concrete glass at the top and the metals below.

                      Nobody said getting the corium was easy, I just have a problem when they say impossible. The good news seems to be that after being in the water all this time, there are no more steam explosions. The stuff must be somewhat similar to spent fuel minus a lot of volatile fission products. There is always spontaneous fission but this is differentiated from an active fissioning reactor core. Its a low level process by comparison. Im sorry I dont know much about it, yet feel compelled to mumble about it anyway. The main question for the world and its scientists is…how bad is Fukushima? Release estimates can be found here for example;
                      Fukushima Radiation Release Estimates


                      approximately 10,000 Hiroshima bombs. But the big problem is the dose effects. Extensive epidemiology of Chernobyl shows that science under estimates dose effects by 1000x. That would be like estimating that being stepped on by a ten foot tall elephant will be like a puppy of 12 pounds. Thats the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog, you are saying you know the real physics? Clearly not the case man. You could start your trek to self realization there. But you go on to say you are the one doing the real work of protecting future generations. Then go on to say we should just leave Fukushima there as it stands…do nothing. Does that rate a wowsers?

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog


                      'Highly radioactive' water filmed by remote control robot at Japan's Fukushima plant

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar

                      TV: “Truly unsettling” discovery at Fukushima… problem “far greater than previously thought” — Boss reveals 600 tons of fuel melted, can’t find it — Top Official: “Nobody really knows where fuel is”… We may never be able to get it and just leave wherever — “Uncontrollable fission” is continuing under site (VIDEO)
                      By ENENews, on June 2nd, 2016

              • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                "The water boiled." No fission material here. Gaslighting, maybe.

                It is concluded that the corium pour stream has the ability to penetrate relatively long distances in water (> 15 jet diameters) prior to undergoing complete breakup, much farther than predicted by previous modeling {£). Additional tests would be needed to assess the depths at which breakup and solidification are essentially completed and to better characterize the resulting solidified debris. The significance of this slow breakup is twofold: a) less steam (and H2) are produced during the fall stage, and so the rapid steam spike is reduced in magnitude, and b) even for relatively deep water pools it may be possible for a sizable amount of the melt stream to penetrate completely to the bottom and accumulate as a liquid layer. The latter has implication insofar as the early attack on the steel or concrete substrate. It may also be concluded from these test results that a deep pool of initially subcooled water (e.g., in the reactor cavity) affords the best opportunity to quench the corium to large, cool able particles with minimum steam/I^ spike and with reduced concern regarding direct containment heating for high pressure

      • "Note that you can peel apart the flaking chernobyl elephants foot with some sticky suff on the end of a stick."

        Well maybe we've finally found something you can do there code…

        I'll donate the stick and the plane ticket.

        Code is the quicker picker upper…


        Polypoolyquintyfoolyquintuple wowsers… 🙂

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Actually I thought you could do it with your walrus gumboot

          Here come old flat top
          He come grooving up slowly
          He got joo joo eyeball
          He one holy roller
          He got hair down to his knee
          Got to be a joker he just do what you please.

          He wear no shoe shine
          He got toe jam football
          He got monkey finger
          He shoot Coca-Cola
          He say I know you, you know me

    • Had too…

      Fission for 100+ years (3 blobs) or sumpthin…

  • DannieJ DannieJ

    I'm not sure I understand these new readings.

    Has the radiation levels been this high all the time but only just been measured accurately, or has the curium gone critical again just recently?

    • "Has the radiation levels been this high all the time but only just been measured accurately"

      The actual levels have dropped due to the inverse square law…

      Someone just finally built a robot that could survive long enough to get to that place (only lasted 30 minuets)…

      As this stuff melts into the ground and concrete base mat it not only looses some of it's radioactive potency by being insulated by the ground and concrete, it also is decaying like a flashlight battery that lasts 1000 years…

      Only another 995 years left on that fully charged corium (reactor number 2) blob right?

      5 years of innovation planning and waiting to actually be able to travel to that place and take readings and video…

      Millions of dollars spent to create a never before thought of machine build (as best they could) to withstand the radioactive bombardment in that specific place…

      All that just to get a glimpse of what the real problems are and what actually happened there.

      It (the robot) is now gone like a paper cup and cannot ever be retrieved due to the materials penetrating the specifically designed space age armor that got it that far into that place (operated for 30 whole minuets)…

      So have the radiation levels been this high all the time?

      No, they were MUCH higher in the past…

      They just flooded the area with fresh water for the past 5+ years to help shield it (radiation) from the outside world and prevent explosions from sea (salt) water…

      • SadieDog

        DJ, Whatever you do, don't rely on hippiedog for ANY information.

        • "Whatever you do, don't rely on hippiedog for ANY information."

          So my posts aren't true? Aren't backed up by real scientific facts?


          Everything I just said is totally true and backed up by basic science.

          Even a high school science buff that is paying attention knows it's true.

          Don't be fooled by scoffers, just look back at he stuff this one (SadieDog) has posted in the past to know for sure…

          A scoffer with a computer hooked to the internet is sometimes like giving a monkey a gun…

          Don't be one of them.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            HDog, you would get a bad grade just on the non sequitur "The actual levels have dropped due to the inverse square law"

            • "The actual levels have dropped due to the inverse square law"

              Don't you even know what that means? The further this stiff settles the further it is away from the detectors and you…

              The longer it decays the less it will shine too…

              What about all the borated water they've pumped into these things…

              When referring to radiation levels you would be kicked out for not learning anything and just taking up space…

              …Some kid that actually wanted to learn would have needed that chair.

              30 seats in a class and you took up one of em huh…

              No idiot left behind?


              scoobidystupid wowsers…

              Just gettin unbelievable now…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                we are all taking class from HDog now? Thus the earth was lost

                • That's not new news just unreported stuff and mis reported facts…

                  Let's get some of them strait right now for all you knowies that think they know out there…

                  Unit 1 hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

                  Unit 2 Hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

                  Unit 3 Reactor core explosion plutonium enhanced fuel from recycling fuel pool failure and burn, melt out, blown lid plutonium found over 2 miles away from sit from that reactor LEVEL 7 (Meed a scale of 10 for that one)

                  Unit 4 Fresh offload of fuel scorching the fuel pool when it was actually working properly, full fuel pool burn up, lost complete inventory of fresf spent fuel LEVEL 7 (on a 10 scale should also be a 10).

                  But I won't make up my own system based on the FACTS of this accident so let's do the math based on the accepted system of severity…

                  Unit 1 – 7

                  Unit 2 – 7

                  Unit 3 – 7

                  Unit 4 – 7

                  Accidental severity at Fukishima?

                  LEVEL 28 —— more than that in reality

                  So let's stop playing kids games…


      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        "Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down."

        'Fukushima Equals 3,000 Billion Lethal Doses'

        “Dr Paolo Scampa, a widely know EU Physicist, single handedly popularized the easily understood Lethal Doses concept. “Lethal Doses” is a world wide, well understood idea that strips Physics bare and offers a brilliant, understandable explanation for all the physics gobbledygook Intelligence agencies and their respective governments use to disguise the brutal truths of the Fukushima Daiichi Disaster."

        "Three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell. This is up from about 70 Billion Lethal Doses March 23, 2011. It is getting worse everyday without any intervention by the US and the other nuclear powers….”

      • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

        That someone who built the robot was TOSHIBA.

        • "That someone who built the robot was TOSHIBA."

          Not really…

          That's a BIG mat to lay on…

          …the robots are a broad effort by the worlds leading cooperating scientists and agencies.

          It was really a team of world wide scientists that collaborated and gave supplies to build a VERY robust and armored machine that could go into a place that would turn you into goo so fast you couldn't even be pulled out by a rope tied around your waist… Neither you or the rope would remain in one piece long enough to even get there, much less get pulled out.

          And they gave Toshiba the kudos as they really need the money (all they can muster) to fund the cleanup and decommissioning effort (what a joke that one is).

          That's why I didn't give credit to a single company…

          …It was a world wide effort.

          …look it up, if you can.

          • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

            IRID has worked with TOSHIBA and others on the decommissioning of Fukushima. The scorpion robot says TOSHIBA. Who owns the patent? Look it up, if you can… I don't have time.

   Exhibited by IRID]
            1. Hitachi GE: Exhibition and demonstration of ‘Shape-changing Robot’ developed for
            investigating inside the PCV of Unit 1 Fukushima Daiichi NPS
            2. Toshiba: Exhibition and video introduction of ‘Device for Investigation Inside the PCV’
            (known as the ‘Scorpion Robot’), this device is used to investigate inside the PCV of
            Unit 2 Fukushima Daiichi NPS
            3. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI): Exhibition and demonstration of ‘Sakura 2’
            (explosion-proof specification), a robot that collects information from the surrounding
            environment at disaster sites with high travelling performance.
            4. ATOX: Exhibition and demonstration of ‘Tank Cleaning Device’, a robot developed to remove
            accumulated deposits at the bottom of the flange tank installed at the Fukushima Daiichi
            Nuclear Power Station (NPS) by remote operation under water.

            The robot – developed by Toshiba and the International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning…

            • So I'll just tattoo someone's arm with the words "total crap (r)" and that's who actually did it?

              Notice the (r) 🙂

              Oh yea and I don't have any tattoos or give any either.

              Just another way to dismiss the real folks that are working on this problem…

              Toshiba? What division? Oh the brand new "we completely dropped the ball" division?

              NOT anymore, already been proven through real factual facts that these folks don't (or didn't) have the management skills to stop this disaster (or the life ending consequences).

              If they (Toshiba) could, we would not be where we are today.

              Purely the Toshiba corporation working on these robots and no one else? GOD I hope not (and know already better) phew that stinks…

              I can see why you don't have the time to point it out, nothing to point out in the first place…

              • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                "developed by Toshiba and the International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning"

                You got something that says otherwise? Anything at all? A link? Quote? Youtube?

                • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog



                  Small Robot Developed to Investigate Interior of Primary Containment Vessel of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 2

                  30 Jun, 2015



                • "the International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning"

                  You just said it yourself…

                  Who's that? Toshiba? Nope, it's the worlds leading cooperating scientists and agencies…

                  Nuff said.

                  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                    Hippie: "…the robots are a broad effort by the worlds leading cooperating scientists and agencies.

                    It was really a team of world wide scientists that collaborated and gave supplies to build a VERY robust and armored machine that could go into a place that would turn you into goo so fast you couldn't even be pulled out by a rope tied around your waist…

                    …It was a world wide effort. "

                    *The robot is approximately 54cm long and 9cm high and wide, and is equipped with two cameras, LED lights, a radiation dosimeter and a thermometer.
                    Leading scientists and agencies?? It died and got left inside. No wonder we are screwed.

                    • Sur it died, they knew it would even if it operated for days it could NEVER be retrieved due to contamination!!!

                      That's not a dust and/or water thing, that's radioactive particles buried in the shielding and throughout the entire metal robot, the shielded cable and anything else it carried.

                      "No wonder we are screwed"

                      That's not new news just unreported stuff and mis reported facts…

                      Let's get some of them strait right now for all you knowies that think they know out there…

                      Unit 1 hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

                      Unit 2 Hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

                      Unit 3 Reactor core explosion plutonium enhanced fuel from recycling fuel pool failure and burn, melt out, blown lid plutonium found over 2 miles away from sit from that reactor LEVEL 7 (Meed a scale of 10 for that one)

                      Unit 4 Fresh offload of fuel scorching the fuel pool when it was actually working properly, full fuel pool burn up, lost complete inventory of fresf spent fuel LEVEL 7 (on a 10 scale should also be a 10).

                      But I won't make up my own system based on the FACTS of this accident so let's do the math based on the accepted system of severity…

                      Unit 1 – 7

                      Unit 2 – 7

                      Unit 3 – 7

                      Unit 4 – 7

                      Accidental severity at Fukishima?

                      LEVEL 28 —— more than that in reality

                      You bet your ass we're screwed!!!!!!

                      So let's stop playing kids games and start guarding them instead!!! What say to that.


                    • Nothings getting in there (any of them) to do anything for a decade so let's stop with the kids games and pretending anyone is going in any of the 3 melted down reactors to do anything about it and start taking steps to guard them instead!

                      RO your water

                      Filter your shower heads and bathroom faucets…

                      BE SURE you know where your food is sourced from…

                      No mushrooms, rice or ANY other water incentive foods no matter where they come from!

                      And juice as much as possible.

                      Now there's a cleanup that can actually be done…


                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      "Developed by TOSHIBA CORPORATION"


                      Improved Robot for Investigation inside the Primary Containment Vessel (Scorpion Robot) [Developed by TOSHIBA CORPORATION] (Feb. 18, 2016)


                    • Blinded by the light…

                      You think yourself a fact finder?

                      Toshiba did it all?

                      Hey I built my own 600 horse power car too…

                      All be myself? NOT had help from lots of other people but guess who's name is on it?

                      Do you think my name is on that machine? Nope it says Ford on it… Think Ford turned a single wrench on it? Nope…

                      Think is all Ford designed parts??? No again

                      Think the Ford company has or will ever drive it? You guessed it Nope…

                      Think Toshiba is building machines to decommission reactor fuel from the meltdowns? Not even a spark plugs worth…

                      Please give yourself the break of actually thinking for yourself, ya might actually figure out what's really going on in this world and find something really important to talk about…

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Should'a bought a Chevy.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      yepper, everything in our civilization stands on work done before by a lot of people. One person that didnt contribute anything to the design of the Ford or have much to say was Hippie Dog

                    • Code… you do nothing but argue just to be doing it a simple fact like water is wet….

                      I was hoping you started to learn something somewhere along the way but it's the same old mis quoting someones statements and then light into them with total crap and misinformation that makes no sense other than you are a self seeking fool…

                      Wouldn't surprise me one bit if you are on well fair up there in New York sittin your ass on a computer with nothing better to do all day than cause problems and live off the free money the rest of us that actually do good things for the world have to pay to keep people like you up.

                      Tell me I'm wrong and you actually work full time for a living and pull your weight and pay your taxes like we that actually do something good for the world.

                      Yea right…

                      I'd love to know exactly what you do for a living…

                      NaustraHippie says you live off welfare money and sit on your ass all day…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      HDog…want some truth? It is you that came here arguing with everybody right off the bat and posting a bunch of stuff with little content. I play clarinet in a klezmer band with some other black sisters. No welfare. Its the rich people that are getting your money…you might need a re-think

                    • Damn code when do you play? I was a pro for over ten years and can tell by your post times here you don't work…

                      As I knew to begin with you live off someone else and I'll still bet it's the government but i digress…

                      NO more time to waste on you or SadieDog, you people are misinformation prolific trouble makers, paid or otherwise it doesn't really matter. Full of shit (the both of you) trouble makers and propaganda magnets proven now twice… That experiment has been repeated successfully…

                      The facts are in on you 2…

                    • SadieDog

                      Holy shit! Code and I are in cahoots?! Who'd a thunk it?

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      " do nothing but argue just to be doing it a simple fact like water is wet….

                      I was hoping you started to learn something somewhere along the way but it's the same old mis quoting someones statements and then light into them with total crap and misinformation that makes no sense…"

                      Projection much ?

                      "..HDog…want some truth? It is you that came here arguing with everybody right off the bat and posting a bunch of stuff with little content.."

                      Code is exactly right with that description..he even let out the insult's you claimed , when asked , where there to make your post's "interesting"..i never figured out for whom that could be..apart from that it was many foot in mouth comments and a lot of time wasting vids..

                      "..Damn code when do you play? I was a pro for over ten years and can tell by your post times here you don't work…"

                      And thats the opposite of a straight answer..

                      Too bad the OT thread is gone with your post where you thought you were alway's the good mannered guy trying to help but everybody kept picking on you so overtime you lost your "patience"..i was gonne pick it apart for you to SEE..

                      Because its a far cry from the started the point that it looked like an agressive takeover attempt of the forum/narrative..
                      And paint the inevitable blowback as an unwarranted act of aggression..
                      I repeat..projection much ? Hierarchic illusions based on power , not wisdom ?

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      DUDe, it's not about right or wrong. It's any negative reaction from a good person. To have power and be able to control good to make it bad. THAT is the pay-off. Like nuclear, ey?

                      Notice the targets…our brightest, best and most respected.

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      The endresult of what is proposed..let all the water in the world run over it because any attempt to think about changing the status quo of being killed will cause our instant demise..untill we find the formula to change gold in to lead or something..creates more questions..
                      Maybe that formula is already around somewhere..why wait then..numbers ?

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog


                      Then the world would know and it would ruin the industry.

                      Money talks. It moves mountains.. To build reactors.

                    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

                      "Should'a bought a Chevy"

                      I agree. 😉

                      Takes a set to drive a chebby at full tilt. 😆


                      A few gals, high velocity as well. haha


                  • Hillbilly is a Chevy man huh?

                    You should see em crying on (drag) race day when their stuff breaks trying to keep up with me 🙂

                    • SadieDog

                      Not the Chevy vs. whatever you drive thing. But you racing? I call bullshit.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      600 HP of hot air. Thats equivalent to 2500 175 watt lightbulbs that put out only heat, no light

                    • SadieDog

                      I hate a liar.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Nopers, Hippie. Ya gots me all wrong. But what else is new…Cesium the day.

                    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

                      Soooo…when asked who made the scorpion robot…Don't say TOSHIBA? Say "a whole bunch of important scientists and agencies from all over the world" or "somebody"? But don't say TOSHIBA, right, Hippy?

                    • Not surprising the no working clarinet player along with the sadie dog no understanding the simplest thing bunch of arguing propaganda spreaders would say I'm the lier…

                      I tell the truth Sadie says don't listen to me I explain something plainly these 2 will twists it completely around and then type out the exact opposite of what I stated and try to make it out to be my opinion…

                      Don't waste your time on these peoples opinions they are either inept or intentionally trying to discredit others…

                      Propaganda artists that need not be taken seriously…

                      I'll bet between the 2 of them (sadie and code) neither of them really do anything with their lives but cause problems and live off others that actually have a job and a positive outlook…

                      I'd call em trolls but don't want to insult the trolls. At least the trolls have a purpose.

                      These two are confirmed propagandists with nothing better to do than cut n' past links to whatever they run across, then complain and spout misinformation about other for kicks…

                      Sad they felt the need to do it on a site that's about life and death. But that's what self seekers do, they don't really care about anyone or any thing. Just something to do for people like this.

                      If your smart you'll see this, if not good luck.

                      I'm done wasting time on em…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      did I say something wrong?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Do you have a link that proves you are not intentionally trying to discredit others and post stuff of no substantive value?

                      "Don't waste your time on these peoples opinions they are either inept or intentionally trying to discredit others…"

                      Im open minded…prove you have something of value. Whats your best material so far, besides reverse osmosis?

                    • DUDe DUDe

                      "..But you racing? I call bullshit.."

                      Once i took my car to a track for half a day to see what it (and me) is capable of..everybody can do that on day's its not used for real racing..there was the whole spectrum of wheels from real powerbeast's unfit for the road to less then 90ps walkers including grannie's most trusted i admit..

  • DUDe DUDe

    HippieDog , in your opinion , could a diamond like material withstand contact with the coriums ?

    • DUDe DUDe

      Long enough to slowly tear it apart instead of cutting..

    • DUDe DUDe

      We can't wait till all the water in the world has washed over it..just saying..most of us and the rest of life are mostly water too..

    • "could a diamond like material withstand contact with the coriums"

      May could but where are you going to find one shaped like a drill bit that's 500 yards long? What reaction would that cause on contact from the drill bit materials and the frictions from drilling? Kaboommmmmmmmm maybe? and what's the biggest diamond on the planet? Like dropping a rat turd into wedding cake batter…

      Then what are you going to do with the diamond? Ya going to marry it? You sure ain't going to do anything else with a diamond after it's been in that furnace…

      Let's piss her (corium) off by scrubbing and drilling into the molten metal creating all kinds of reactions? Can't use any oil or other cutting agents on corium anyway.

      Wow most really seem clueless on the actual situation at fuku…

      A blob (3 actually) of molten radioactive metals melted together AND STILL MELTING consisting of the nuclear ceramic fuel, cladding, fuel racks, reactor holders and most everything at the top and the bottom of the containment, catwalks, concrete and steel liners completely impure from the melting process?

      And we don't even know what it actually is anymore? There's not even a name for that stuff.

      Let's use diamonds to drill through a piece of chewed bubblegum, would make more sense…

      …and you won't have to worry about chewed bubblegum reacting, blowing up and ending the entire world.

      A diamond bit? What good could it possibly do?


      • DUDe DUDe

        "..A diamond bit? What good could it possibly do?


        ? lol

        Thanks for answering but You are running away with my hypothetical question about what material could be used to grip the corium and slowly tear it to pieces small enough to handle..notice i did not say drilling..or anything else yet..not even time..i would not dare..

        If you would leave all the insult's taunting and projection out of your post they sometimes are quit interesting and even..helpfull..

        From above post that leaves only "..May could.." was what i was looking for thank you..

        • Yep it's a hypothetical question for sure…

          I knew you were prodding me, just thought since you brought it up I'd expound on the theory since I've seen several posts on how they should shovel or drill this crap.

          And that's not even in the realm of possibilities…

          Not hypothetically, drilling into that stuff would cause reactions leading to massive explosion(s) and world ending contamination…

          If you haven't seen this one yet check it out…

          A nuclear rocket carries a few pounds of controlled pure radioactive material…

          These things (blobs) are TONS of highly volatile and highly reactive substances that have mixed with all kinds of other stuff in the surrounding area…

          …the world has never seen this mixture before (not to mention the hundreds of tons of spent fuel onsite).

          No one can (or should) be allowed to get anywhere near this stuff for any reason with anything other than boron until we find a chemical way to stop it (the reactivity)…

          Drilling, poking, scooping or prodding (corium) is not possible at fuku and should never be allowed under any circumstances…

          It (the solution to this problem) can and will be found in the lab with a small quantity of materials (doesn't need to be from there) and proper personnel…

          Let's get behind that!

          • DUDe DUDe

            "..I knew you were prodding me.."

            Nope sorry , i glimpsed over your other posts and noticed NO drilling or i thought tearing might be an option..slow enough to keep a cooled crust on the outside..and thats all there is to it..not going in to the rest of the process to make it possible now..just that first step..with what material..since i dont like to make blood from water that went over it..or wait for the chemical invention (if there is one) to stop the blobs radioactif processes without cutting/drilling it ? Must be some penetrating stuff too..

            • All it takes is some salt laden water to get bound in a very small hole and boooooomb we are all done…

              If it was simple they (who ever you think they are) would have done it by now…

              Drill it, tear it, smash it, kiss it good night?

              Ya can't get ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEAR IT!
              and it goes booooooooooommm if it get's disturbed like nitro glycerin only worse because….

              Ya can't get ANYTHING ANYWHERE NEAR IT without it dissolving, melting into the blob and becoming a new unknown part of the reactions!!!!


              • DUDe DUDe

                "..All it takes is some salt laden water to get bound in a very small hole and boooooomb we are all done…"

                Thanks for the interesting vid but if this comment is based on the vid the violent reaction is caused by the temp DIFFERENCE between the salt and the water no ?

                "..If you haven't seen this one yet check it out…


              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                the corium is already full of holes and must be sitting in water. I think the steam explosions already happened. Nothing can get next to the corium? Its next to SOMETHING…

                Maybe they cant do anything for 100 years. I dont believe it, and theres something strange about advocating that TEPCO doesnt do anything

                What CAN they do? Their camera bots are chintzy. Theres a fiber optic cable, 17,000 miles long that connects the United Kingdom, Japan, and many places in between. Great white sharks like to bite it, so its heavily reinforced

                Here is a fiber optic lens capable of withstanding hostile environments up to 4250ºF. Hotter than your corium!


                cant get close? How about 17,000 miles? Its rhetorical. TEPCO has a history of lying. They still make a profit. Their little chintzy stuff breaks down, boo hoo they cant do anything. My bet is they know where the corium is, how hot, how radioactive. Little voices on the internet say anybody who questions them are fools and conspiracy theorists. Talkin bout you now

                • DUDe DUDe

                  "..the corium is already full of holes and must be sitting in water.."

                  Same what i've been thinking..not sure about FULL of holes..but the moving/melting towards where it is..cant have been without surface changes/holes of some kind..

                • "My bet is they know where the corium is, how hot, how radioactive. Little voices on the internet say anybody who questions them are fools and conspiracy theorists"

                  "Talkin bout you now"


                  Time and again you twist the statements made by others on all kinds of subjects code. We've all pointed it out and asked you to stop doing it and copy our quotes into the post with your false accusations but you refuse.

                  Easy to understand why… Your statements concerning me are as usual, false!!!

                  Never said anything about trusting tepco or anybody else, just trying to give you simple information so you'll stop acting like it's so easy to clean this mess up, they can't touch these blobs…

                  You make it sound like it's a conspiracy…

                  That's child like silliness.

                  If moving this stuff was a good idea don't you think Chernobyl's blob would be cleaned up and stored by now?

                  It's in a dry easily accessible location on a concrete pad. No scoop attempts there in 30 years? Hmmmmm wonder why…

                  Could it be there is allot (and boy I mean a WHOLE lot) you don't understand? You bet!!!

                  So when someone tries to tell you so you will learn, you act like a teenage learning disabled child…

                  It's too simple to be difficult, No one or nothing on earth can get to the blobs at fuku period!!!

                  Playing around with that stuff would be like nitro glycerin X100 and it's underwater with sea water encroachment and undergoing active out of control…

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    HDog, everyone has pointed out that I twist statements made by others? Link?

                    If the corium was, for some reason, solid…and could be broken up into pieces, is it inherently more dangerous than spent fuel to handle?

                    You keep saying nobody can get next to it…but this is the case for all their waste. So my suggestion for decommission…is that you dont get near it.

                    Weve covered the non human things that can get near it…so you need to correct your view on that point

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        clueless? 500 yard long diamond? wowsers. Double and triple wowsers.
        Diamond saw blades, getcher diamond embedded saw blades cheap, while they last!

        What about garnet water jet? Great idea there code. the corium is already under water, so radioactive dust is not a problem

        • What were the other wowsers?

          Too good there code, we all got a kick out of those posts…

          Don't stop with the quintuple wowsers!!!

          Do stop with the fairy tales, doesn't help anything…

          Ya can't get anything near em much less kick up sparks cuttin on em…

          I know you already know better than that…

          Quadruple wowser X 1000000000000000

          Let me know if you can find a word for that one…

          Hehehe… 🙂

          Wo Wa Wowsers?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            First, workers will flood the containment vessels to the top so that the water will shield the radioactive fuel. Then submersible robots will map the slumped fuel assemblies within the pressure vessels; these bots may be created by adapting those used by the petroleum industry to inspect deep-sea oil wells. Next, enormously long drills will go into action. They must be capable of reaching 25 meters down to the bottoms of the pressure vessels and breaking up the metal pooled there. Other machines will lift the debris into radiation-shielded transport casks to be taken away.


            • "First, workers will flood the containment vessels to the top so that the water will shield the radioactive fuel"

              Come on now…

              Firs it ain't in there, second…

              They have done everything they could do for years to fill those busted things without success….

              That's like trying to fill a strainer up…

              Not going to happen at all, ever…

              Not to mention the buildings can't support it.

              Where are you getting your info from????

              Double Dreaming Wowsers…


              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                HDog, the info was in the link. I know you dont read em. I put it there to support the 'busting up with drills under water' comment. Thats one mainstream plan. The fuel isnt in the primary reactor vessels but its likely in the outer containment or not very far below. You can build pools if for some reason the buildings cant be made sufficiently water tight. I would start with a rubber like dam going 100 ft deep. That would bring stable water levels above the corium and keep contaminants from flowing to the ocean. They can regulate the sogginess of the ground with sump tubes. Note that 40% of the aquifer flow leaks into the plants…this shows the power of hydrostatic pressure and path of least resistance. Ballpark, around 13 psi.

                • "HDog, the info was in the link. I know you dont read em."

                  Wrong again code and if you wouldn't jump to conclusions so regularly you'd probably already know that robots won't be going anywhere near the corium blobs and won't be in our lifetimes (unless something totally new is invented in the next 10 years or so).

                  Also that article is older than dirt itself in Fukushima terms…

                  Nothing I haven't already read someplace else.

                  I skimmed it and saw right away the fairy tales of robots cleaning that mess up, went to the bottom and read the we don't know (nobody knows how to do this at this time) and moved on.

                  My time is valuable as I actually work for a living…

                  If you want me to study something at least provide info that's not a repost from 2012 full of guesses spouting we can't, they can't and we don't know…

                  Wowsers X1000000000000000000

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    I think you missed the point HDog. Earlier you said the corium couldnt be broken up, cut, touched etc….and I was merely pointing out the nature of it…its as if you were saying its diamond hard kryptonite or something….or sun surface lava. So I just corrected your vision on it, thats all. It can be touched, broken, etc. Now that doesnt address the radioactive toxicity. I cant address that. Only by comparing to spent fuel. Im not a nuclear engineer….but you arent either. Between the two of us, Ill place bets on my ignorant brain over yours when it comes to engineering subjects.

            • Jebus Jebus

              At Chernobyl, 800,000 men were thrown at the corium to keep it from entering into the water table.

              Many got cancer. Many died.

              Technicaly they failed as, it is, leaching into the Dnieper River system.

              Ruined Chernobyl nuclear plant will remain a threat for 3,000 years

              30 years since Chernobyl may seem like a long time, but it’s really just the start

              Below reactor’s ruins is a 2,000-ton radioactive mass that can’t be removed

              How do you protect a site for as long a time as Western civilization has existed?


              So as Fukushima is leaking into the sea, how many robots will perish, just to get the coriums out, of the water table?

              Fukushima fuel-removal quest leaves trail of dead robots

              The latest robot attempting to find the 600 tons of nuclear fuel and debris that melted down six years ago in the wrecked Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant met its end in less than a day.


              I agree code, something very important needs to be done.

              It's into the water…

              Seems like they are unsure if doing anything, now, is less than doing nothing…

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                The Chernobyl arch was funded by the people of the world, like everything. It is part of a plan to use hanging robots to cut up the place and dry cask the corium and contaminated stuff. Fukushima will also have public funding. Such mega disaster stupidity…in common with wars and mismanagement of everything, will bring civilization to its knees. Poverty and famine, a crumbling infrastructure, a sick and retarded overpopulated public is our childrens fate. Can they build a rubberized underground dam at Fukuahima…I mean is it technically feasible? Im saying yes. Can they continue to cut down the buildings, with remotely piloted tools, with the worst parts under water? I think they could do it. They just need your money. Someone will profit, everyone will lose

            • "Other machines will lift the debris into radiation-shielded transport casks to be taken away"

              To where? it's already contaminated where it sits, why oh why in the F*** would you take it some place else? Insanity? stupidity? Free government money that ain't really free???

              Gotta call total BS on that one and as the ZenMaster said, We'll see…


              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Well HDog, its the nuclear waste storage problem. There was never a solution. Yet, it is safer to dry cask the stuff and bring it inland. Four bombed out, melted down nuke reactors on the beach with a bunch of spent fuel 100 ft up is the worst possible and current scenario. I take it your proposal is we throw our arms up, leave it where it is and smile

                • "I take it your proposal is we throw our arms up, leave it where it is and smile"

                  NOT AT ALL My plan would be to keep people that have NO idea what they are doing or talking about WAY away from it until such time as they can stop the out of control fission going on at that site!!!

                  And they MUST move ALL the undamaged fuel and contaminated debris on the surface to a safe distance before even thinking about going after the active corium in any of the reactors (that's pretty much the whole site)…

                  Going after the corium won't be a problem because no substance on earth will survive around it! So moving, scooping or drilling it is (again for the totally uninformed) COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE!!!

  • Jebus Jebus

    TEPCO's Candid Interview About Decommissioning Fukushima Daiichi – 3/31/15

  • Sol Man

    One of you posted here that 1,000's of isotopes are being created constantly at FDNPP that are new elements never before seen on earth. The radiations are life altering alpha, betas, gamma, and neutron, but aside of this these radionuclides have their own chemical toxicity that can not be measured (scientists don't have the goods for experimenting, testing) likely making them every bit as bad as the radioactive portion of the equation.

    We are all in this together. The demographics have disappeared.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Sol Man…the big release happened at the beginning. Much of the worst radioactivity escaped already…the volatile fission products. Release is slow now by comparison. But the spent fuel is a grave danger and the melted fuel also, has a lot more potential release.

      Even though the measured radiation from Fukushima is far less than background, it may be the tipping force that is decimating the ocean. Mankind overpopulated the earth, dumped endless poisons on it. Now, half the animals died in half a century and there is a mental retardation epidemic. We will run out of food, cities wont support the people. The overlords stole as much money as possible. We funded rockets instead of solar cells. The future is very dire indeed

  • Isthmus

    Guys & Gom's A diamond in a flame will burn up fast because it's pure carbon

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog
    •The contamination of the land remains the biggest health threat as caesium 137 finds its way via the food chain into the human body. Professor Yuri Bandashevsky Prof. MD. PhD in Nuclear Medicine Specialist at the Ivankova Hospital in the Ukraine, states that there should be no caesium in the body or should there be no question of temporary or acceptable levels.
    •“Any dose is an over dose of caesium 137, there should be no question of acceptable levels in the body”, Professor Yuri Bandashevsky.
    …seawater samples …analyzed at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution for radioactive cesium as part of Our Radioactive Ocean. Cesium-137 is found throughout the Pacific Ocean and was detectable in all samples collected, while cesium-134 (yellow/orange dots), an indicator of contamination from Fukushima, has been observed offshore and in select coastal areas.
    ..It is readily produced in large quantities during fission, has an intermediate half-life, decays by high-energy pathways, and is chemically reactive and highly soluble. These physical properties have made cesium 137 a dangerous legacy of major nuclear accidents such as Chernobyl, but it has also caused relatively small incidents as well.
    The Dangers of Cesium-137…

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog


    Shaw Successfully Mitigating Environmental Impacts at Nuclear Site in Japan

    Nuclear – Nov 30, 2011 BATON ROUGE, La. – The Shaw Group today announced that support services contracted by its subsidiary, Shaw Global Services, LLC, are performing as designed to help recovery at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station in Japan. After a tsunami and earthquake hit Japan in March, the Toshiba Corp. led Shaw, Babcock & Wilcox, Westinghouse and Exelon Nuclear Partners to provide emergency response support. Shaw deployed water treatment, radiation monitoring and consulting services.

    "Experts from Shaw have been working closely with our partners in Japan since the massive earthquake and tsunami struck," said J.M. Bernhard Jr., Shaw's chairman, president and chief executive officer. "Our technical systems at the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station were brought online very quickly and safely through the help of our subcontractors and already have demonstrated successful operations. We are committed to this long-term effort and are ready to employ our critical resources, leadership and technical solutions for years to come."


    Yeah- YEARS to come. Nuclear: Job security.

  • Way too much half truth about Fukushima…

    That's not new news just unreported stuff and mis reported facts…

    Let's get some of them strait right now for all you knowies that think they know something out there…

    Unit 1 hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

    Unit 2 Hydrogen explosion, full meltdown, melt through LEVEL 7

    Unit 3 Reactor core explosion plutonium enhanced fuel from recycling fuel pool failure and burn, melt out, blown lid plutonium found over 2 miles away from sit from that reactor LEVEL 7 (Meed a scale of 10 for that one)

    Unit 4 Fresh offload of fuel scorching the fuel pool when it was actually working properly, full fuel pool burn up, lost complete inventory of fresf spent fuel LEVEL 7 (on a 10 scale should also be a 10).

    But I won't make up my own system based on the FACTS of this accident so let's do the math based on the accepted system of severity…

    Unit 1 – 7

    Unit 2 – 7

    Unit 3 – 7

    Unit 4 – 7

    Accidental severity at Fukishima?

    LEVEL 28 —— more than that in reality

    You bet your ass we're screwed!!!!!!

    So let's stop playing kids games and start guarding them instead!!! What say to that.

    • theworldisalie theworldisalie

      While I don't agree with you or anyone else on this site 100%, I can tell you one thing. March 2011 was the real deal. We are in serious trouble, the fake stream media is proof of it.

      They do everything they can to bury this, it's real and it's really bad. We all knew it but it needs to be said over and over again because we all live in a logic vacuum.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    some corium speculation from Simply Info

    SimplyInfo decay heat and corium status

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog
    Nuclear Meltdown Pouring Cement in Cracks Fukushima 4/2/11

  • SadieDog

    "Fukushima peaches are making inroads into Southeast Asian markets in what prefectural officials see as a model case of recovery in its farm produce.

    Fukushima grabbed the top share of Japanese peach exports to three Southeast Asian countries last year — 73.9 percent in Thailand, 76.8 percent in Malaysia and 55.9 percent in Indonesia.

    In terms of volume, Fukushima exported a combined 30.6 tons of peaches to the three countries plus Singapore in 2016, surpassing the 23.9 tons logged in 2010 — the year before the triple meltdown at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant shattered trust in its farm produce in March 2011."

  • SadieDog

    "Sasori, equipped with a dosimeter and two cameras, on Feb. 16 recorded a reading of 210 sieverts per hour near the same location, the highest figure measured with instruments in the aftermath of the disaster.

    Sasori was supposed to travel along a rail connecting the outer wall of the containment vessel with the metal grating to measure radiation doses and shoot pictures inside, essential parts of work toward decommissioning the reactor.

    After traveling only 2 meters, the robot became stuck before it could reach the metal grating."

    • unincredulous unincredulous

      The 311 quake lasted six minutes. Maybe all the cooling pipes cracked, and the basement cracked and the shaking caused the fuel rods to crack and the water came up like the sidewalks showed liquifaction and the melted stuff was shaken and sloshed around in the blender before six minutes was even over. Maybe they had faulty steel way back when it was constructed, like they have now. Maybe.

  • rogerthat

    Radiation levels in one Fukushima reactor high enough to kill a human in two minutes

    … During a previous survey, another robot designed to clean the debris for Sasori’s passage had to return halfway through when two of its cameras failed after being exposed for two hours to radiation and reaching its maximum tolerance of 1,000 sievert. Such an exposure to radiation can kill a human within seconds. …

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "Hiroaki Abe, professor of nuclear materials at the University of Tokyo who has studied TEPCO’s footage, tried to explain why high doses were estimated between the pressure vessel and the containment vessel.
    “Instead of directly landing on the rail, the melted nuclear fuel may have flown off after it reacted violently with the concrete, which had a high moisture content, at the bottom of the containment vessel, just like what happens when lava pours into the sea,” Abe said.
    But he said this scenario raises a puzzling question, considering the estimated radiation readings near the area below the pressure vessel were down to 20 sieverts per hour, according to an analysis of the video footage.
    “If nuclear fuel debris had splattered around, the radiation levels at the central area below the pressure vessel must be extremely high,” he said. “In addition, deposits on the rail would have taken the shape of small pieces if they were, in fact, flying nuclear fuel debris. The findings are puzzling.”

    Radiation levels at Fukushima reactor puzzle nuclear experts
    Feb 19 2017

    Splatter ..ok.
    But the fuel ..just hanging out in the pressure vessel..??

    • DUDe DUDe

      High Heart , puzzling indeed..the closest i can come is guessing a small part "vaporized" and left a thin but relative widespread/surface "coating" in the spot with the highest reading..but that could not explain the fluctuations..except maybe the half-life dynamic where particles can pass on in to a higher energetic particle..

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      fuel hanging out in the pressure vessel? You mean the reactor vessel? The reactor melted at the bottom, fuel fell to the floor of the primary containment…the sphere or lightbulb shape. Hydrogen was then in the primary containment and torus. The pressure rise from over heating fuel making steam causes a dynamic flux in the torus. Water pressure and level makes an oscillation with water hammer effects. Hydrogen explodes which squirts torus water up through the distribution ducts into the primary containment where the corium is rapidly melting into the concrete. This causes an instantaneous steam explosion and splatter of corium all through the primary containment. It 'sticks' like stucco and thus 'hangs out' Some falls to the floor and re melts but perhaps does not melt all the way through the concrete base. Thats unit 2. Each one was a different scenario

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Yes. Reactor vessel.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          ..The diagram calls it a pressure vessel.
          What is the impetus for the material s to remain within the vessel?

          There is another photo ..a picture of their temporary set up..

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          pretty sure its accepted that the fuel melted out of the reactor vessel into the primary containment. Why they would be surprised to see the hole in the grate? Nobody doubts the fuel melted out of the reactor, but they hope its still in the containment…and it might largely be(except for the fission products!) In unit 3, it seems like the reactor lid lifted which spewed micro spheres of fuel and melted metal

          • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

            The muon scans showed nothing and they skewed the results to claim otherwise. They jumped the gun and said they found fuel because the readings were so high. That backfired when the media went viral with "unprecedented radiation readings". Then they backtracked, which also backfired because it outlined the fact that the radiation HAS BEEN THAT HIGH for 6 years or has even lowered. They even claimed the images of melted mess and melted grates in the reactor could be the 600 tons of fuel…

            They know it's a full melt out but take every opportunity to feed the press optimism and rumors to save their dying industry. Cold shutdown, hydrogen explosion, decontaminated, nuclear is safe, the water is clean and drinkable, the leaks are contained- Nobody got hurt, either. Ever. Tepco has a long history of criminal mafia activity. So does the entire nuclear industry. All based on a lie that this could never happen and they would find a way to deal with the forever waste. Lies and broken promises and broken DNA for all. It won't stop until the planet is uninhabitable.

            Nuclear: Wishful thinking and fairytale promises. The fake industry that deceived and destroyed the world. Go nukies.

            • danger kitty danger kitty

              Beautiful capture of Fukushima in a paragraph,HHD. Hauntingly poetic.

              "…broken DNA for all…" And it will echo through the centuries…

            • theworldisalie theworldisalie

              I agree hound dog. It's fubar and out of containment just like we have expected all along. It's the worst case scenario and was from very early on. They keep just spinning away with their half truths, lies, misdirection and so on so forth.

              They know what the deal is, if they come out and admit it, it's game over for them.

  • rogerthat

    Concerns about a potential, and so far unsubstantiated, nuclear "incident", reportedly in the vicinity of the Arctic circle, spread in the past week after trace amounts of radioactive Iodine-131 of unknown origin were detected in January over large areas in Europe according to a report by the Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety, the French national public expert in nuclear and radiological risks. Since the isotope has a half-life of only eight days, the detection is an indication of a rather recent release. As the Barents Observer adds, "where the radioactivity is coming from is still a mystery."

    The air filter station at Svanhovd – located a few hundred meters from Norway’s border to Russia’s Kola Peninsula in the north – was the first to measure small amounts of the radioactive Ionide-131 in the second week of January. Shortly thereafter, the same Iodine-131 isotope was measured in Rovaniemi in Finnish Lapland. Within the next two weeks, traces of radioactivity, although in tiny amounts, were measured in Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain.

    Norway was the first to measure the radioactivity, but France was the first to officially inform the public about it. …

  • rogerthat

    The Cancer Of War: U.S. Admits To Using Radioactive Munitions In Syria

    Despite vowing not to use depleted uranium (DU) weapons in its military action in Syria, the US government has now admitted that it has fired thousands of the deadly rounds into Syrian territory. As Foreign Policy Magazine reports:

    US Central Command (CENTCOM) spokesman Maj. Josh Jacques told Airwars and Foreign Policy that 5,265 armor-piercing 30 mm rounds containing depleted uranium (DU) were shot from Air Force A-10 fixed-wing aircraft on Nov. 16 and Nov. 22, 2015, destroying about 350 vehicles in the country’s eastern desert.
    Operation Inherent Resolve spokesman John Moore said in 2015 that:

    US and coalition aircraft have not been and will not be using depleted uranium munitions in Iraq or Syria during Operation Inherent Resolve.
    Now we know that is not true.

    Numerous studies have found that depleted uranium is particularly harmful when the dust is inhaled by the victim. A University of Southern Maine study discovered that:

    …DU damages DNA in human lung cells. The team, led by John Pierce Wise, exposed cultures of the cells to uranium compounds at different concentrations.

    The compounds caused breaks in the chromosomes within cells and stopped them from growing and dividing healthily. 'These data suggest that exposure to particulate DU may pose a significant [DNA damage] risk…

    • rogerthat

      and could possibly result in lung cancer,' the team wrote in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology.
      We should remember that the United States is engaged in military activities in Syria in violation of international and US law. There is no Congressional authorization for US military action against ISIS in Syria and the United Nations has not authorized military force in violation of Syria's sovereignty either.

      The innocent citizens of Syria will be forced to endure increased risks of cancer, birth defects, and other disease related to exposure to radioactive materials. Depleted uranium is the byproduct of the enrichment of uranium to fuel nuclear power plants and has a half-life in the hundreds of millions of years. Damage to Syrian territory will thus continue long after anyone involved in current hostilities is dead.

      • DUDe DUDe

        If the use of nuclear weapons like DU is not a warcrime of the highest order..i dont know what is..

        • earthsmith earthsmith

          Their own lies that they train themselves to believe?

          • DUDe DUDe

   has to there anything about these people that is not operating totally outside the moral there anything about their existence that is not a capital crime..

            How deep in an immoral black hole one must dwell to order to use this infinite crime against humanity..when being there is already a crime..not self-defense..but as a mercenary for others again..and this is no weapon that can be justified to use EVER..the childrens children children affected could be our biggest ally again..we might NEED them in a few decades..but it will continue for hundreds of millions years..DNA damages from radiation is final..and passed on over generations..and the Depleted Uranium will keep attacking that same damaged DNA for hundreds millions humans , mammals and plants..and that mercenary has the nerve to call its terrorist generating global tyranny "spreading democracy"..again and again..

            WHO is the beast that gave that order ? And who was the asking party ? And who is responsible for the continued production of that crap..its fabrication and existence is a crime against humanity in itself sitting there unused already..

            On to the Nuremberg trials with the lot of them..then maybe we have a few NWO bankers less operating behind the screen..good..less leverage for long is humanity going to tolerate this parasitic filth that hijacked our collective destiny and is steering it to HELL..anyway ? The whole ride ?

            • earthsmith earthsmith

              Absolutely DUDe. It's a rough ride with humans getting destroyed by having few options other than to inhale and ingest their poisons. It's not the alternate universe I want be in with these washed criminals. The masses are fatigued but somehow rally to alternate bullshit emotional political theatre that is today's society…my brain melts down and burns like Fukushima…must continue to talk to people about it all. Makes for a lonely existence a lot of time. But it is worth when someone catches on and seeks more truth.

              • earthsmith earthsmith

                Well it feels like an alternate universe anyway

                • DUDe DUDe

                  Yes i feel the same earthsmith..who could ever be schooled as a child to be forced by reality to expect to be possible/probably amongst/The last witness of life on this planet..totally TaTal..

                  25 years ago , not everybody had a computer yet , i readed in a newspaper colom that we consumed the amount of info in a week what the average human around 1700th farmer processed in a full lifetime..unhealthy as frac..
                  That moment of reading the colom where still innocent dreaming day's compared with what we , the witnesses of the selfdestruction of a blind humanity , process and must cope with..mildly put..:(

    • 17th February 2017 – Syria is plagued with radioactive contamination: Dr. Leuren Moret


      American geoscientist and international radiation expert Leuren Moret says the whole country of Syria is plagued with radioactive contamination because the United States not only used depleted uranium weaponry, but provided it to terrorists fighting against the Syrian government.

      According to experts, the use of depleted uranium is a war crime, a crime against humanity, and an act of genocide, because the civilian population’s exposure to depleted uranium causes genetic damage, birth defects, cancer, immune system damage, and other serious health problems.

      They also argued that DU contamination was connected to the sharp rise in leukemia, renal, and anemia cases, especially among children, across the Arab country in recent years.


      Depleted Uranium (DU) air, food and water contamination, is now widespread across the Middle East. Research has shown DU from battles in the Middle East have been found in Europe, having been blown there by the wind!



  • mindfloat

    Unfortunately, entombing was recommended immediately following the accident. Insufficient action was taken to prevent the escape of radioactive materials to the land, water, and air. It was too little, too late. So a few years later, the world has been contaminated especially in that region. How many cancers will result? How much destruction to the oceans and wild life? This make industry professional’s look very bad. Improper engineering design, poor operations (overworked, understaffed), and weak management are the root cause of this disaster. This is why lead engineers need post-degree certification, as in professional engineering (PE) registration with reliance on ALL design work being under the supervision of PE's and stamped by PE's. Was the appropriate process safety analysis performed? Why were the back-up diesel powered generators at ground level? Why wasn't there a manual method available to engage the control rods? I have been an engineer for almost 40 years with PE registration. I cannot count the number of times that I have walked into a facility to find poor conditions (housekeeping), lack of maintenance, deteriorated equipment, improper design, lack of personnel, and a lack of understanding about operations and reliability. Each facility is an accident waiting to happen unless appropriate measures are taken to properly design and operate a facility. Just check out the U.S. Chemical Safety Board (CSB) website to know that accidents continue to plague…

  • mindfloat

    My congratulations to ENENEWS for updating the world on the ongoing Fukushima disaster. ENENEWS is reporting when most if not all other news media has stopped reporting on this. Thank you for keeping us up-to-date and informed!!!

  • freebywill

    Other items to entombed along with the FUKU reactors; all those that know the true extent of the disaster but are failing to inform the public.

    Including but not limited to:

    Shinzo Abe, Members of the Japanese gov't, NRA, members of US NRC , members of the mockingbird stream media, members of the past US admin ( Ol'bummer and crew ), Dr. Smile More, and anyone else " in the know " but is hiding behind the " I'm just following orders " excuse or the " we don't want to alarm the public " excuse.

    Frankly, if the truth were widely know there would be no alarm because every sneaking, lying profiteer would be taken out and hung and their poisonous industries would be shut down. Then the human race would revert to living in harmony with The Earth and running around in loin clothes, and riding horses, ( personally I don't think I look as good as I once did in a loin clothe but I'll get used to it, or maybe you will, I haven't quite thought that part all out yet).

    • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

      If we move to cannibalism because they killed off all the food…Don't eat the nukies. They get to stick around to keep the rest of their garbage under wraps… Job Security and Life Insurance.

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog
    Radiation levels at Fukushima reactor puzzle nuclear experts

  • rogerthat

    by the way, this is wildly off topic (and i mean wildly!!) but it's a fun read. take with more than a pinch of salt, and make up your own mind. stock up on popcorn lol

    February 15, 2017

    FBI Sweep Puts US Media In Terror As Trump Prepares To Jail Top Reporters

    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    …453,391 children with bodies ravaged, none born at the time of the Chernobyl meltdown in 1986, today receive special healthcare because of Chernobyl radiation-related medical problems like cancer, digestive, respiratory, musculoskeletal, eye disease, blood disease, congenital malformation, and genetic abnormalities. Their parents were children in the Chernobyl zone in 1986 (Source: Chernobyl’s Legacy: Kids With Bodies Ravaged by Disaster, USA Today, April 17, 2016).

    …“It’s a real shame that the authorities hide the truth from the whole world, from the UN. We need to admit that actually many people are dying. We are not allowed to say that, but TEPCO employees also are dying. But they keep mum about it,” Katsutaka Idogawa, former mayor of Futaba (Fukushima Prefecture), Fukushima Disaster: Tokyo Hides Truth as Children Die, Become Ill from Radiation – Ex-Mayor, RT News, April 21, 2014.

  • HillbillyHoundDog HillbillyHoundDog

    The quality of this PDF reflects all aspects of "Lessons learned" in the nuke industry. The number one goal? Restore public trust. Seems as long as you can con people into investing in an industry, you can get away with anything- even poisoning the planet.
    Sep. 2002: A newspaper reported inappropriate conduct of leak test in PCVin Unit 1 in Fukushima Daiichi NPS.

  • SadieDog

    "A new quadcopter drone has been introduced for use at Fukushima Daiichi. The RISER quadcopter is currently in use to visually map gamma radiation in the unit 3 turbine building.

    This quadcopter is equipped with GPS, HD cameras and the N-Visage 3D gamma radiation detector. This technology produces color images of radiation. The technology has previously been used to examine the refueling floor of unit 2 and some other areas of the reactor buildings. This new application is a significant advance due to the capability of having a 3d gamma camera of such small size.

    The quadcopter has a maximum radiation resistance of 10 mSv/hr so it won’t be deployed into the more dangerous areas of the disaster site. There was no mention if RISER will be available for sale to the general public but the applications for use are many."

  • Jebus Jebus

    I think Abe's entombment schedule is starting well.

    I wish he would step up the pace of the robots going in though…

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