Published: June 8th, 2011 at 10:00 pm ET
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Nuclear fuel has melted through base of Fukushima plant, Telegraph, June 9, 2011:
The findings of the report, which has been given to the International Atomic Energy Agency, were revealed by the Yomiuri newspaper, which described a “melt-through” as being “far worse than a core meltdown” and “the worst possibility in a nuclear accident.” [...]
Water that was pumped into the pressure vessels to cool the fuel rods, becoming highly radioactive in the process, has been confirmed to have leaked out of the containment vessels and outside the buildings that house the reactors. [...]
Published: June 8th, 2011 at 10:00 pm ET
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I WARNED YOU
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You did? Should I put a paper bag over my head now? Is it the end of days, or a taco-induced panic? YOU be the judge!
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yes… be the judge…
I am asking everyone to take a nuclear meltdown seriously, and to take basic precaution, for the nuclear meltdown…
so are you being an uneducated ass….
You be the judge.
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This isn’t a funny game, were all playing. Its a NUCLEAR MELTDOWN. Followed BY AN UNAVOIDABLE CHINA SYNDROME.
I will take no shame in urging others to take minimal precaution for what is imminent to come…
If you want to continue to say there is nothing to worry about thats fine with me. But in all reality, when you don’t speak out, and everyone you love dies, because they are not prepared and didn’t take a china syndrome seriously… Well thats your, problem… Not mine.
Cheers
Emmy
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Never heard of you, stranger … and stranger, and stranger.
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I think that this might be an appropriate song Seal – Crazy for this disaster?
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The Term china Syndrome was coined by Physist Ralph E Lapp . in 1971
Professor Lapp, was an honary member of the manhattan project, holding the position of the director of the metallurgical labratory. He also can be refrenced, in the general staffing of the US war department’s top advisor on Atomic Energy. As well as the Head of Nuclear physics, in the branch office in Naval Research. He is more recognised, for his views, on Nuclear Radiation Biology, and his term paper”A nuclear Reference Manual, Must we hide”…
In writing Nuclear Radiation Physics, He became an activist leader in life, writing the book: “Victims of the super bomb”;
His understanding of nuclear physics, was one of the most accredited, sources for the united states, Nuclear Regulatory Commision to date…
His term “China syndrome” was based on the idea of a catastrophic, meltdown of a nuclear reactor. Involving a loss of coolant accident. The scenario begins, when something causes the coolant level in the reactor pressure vessle, to drop uncovering all or part of the Nuclear fuel assembly. “This scenario, is almost identical to what has already happened, in Fukushima, Japan”.
The nuclear fuel assemblies, create a chain reaction termed as “fission”. It was in Professor Lapps opinion, that Nuclear fuel, in absense of coolant would continue to produce, significant residule heat for a number of days, due to further decay of fission products. If not properly cooled, the fuel assemblies, may soften and melt, falling to the bottom of the reactor vessle. There, without the coolant preventing enough of a chain reaction to reduce thermal temperature, The tempreature of teh molten fuel could increase to the point where it melts through the structures containing it. Such an unfortunante series of events could release vast amounts of radioactive nuclides into the atmosphere, and ground. (also known as radioactive isotopes).
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What many people Ive encountered on…
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cont:
What many people Ive encountered on many current websites have failed to notice, between march and now is the obvious. Radiation is continually being released in large amounts every moment of every day. It was in my opinion that the nilu, had stopped producing the radiation forecasts, due to the repeated signs of iodine. A radio nuclides that has a half life of only 8 days.
The continued observation of iodide, through the last 4 months, gives insight, to the processes going on inside the Fukushima Reactors. The very presence of iodide ( a nuclide with an 8day half-life). 4 months, later can only indicate one thing. The reactor’s in japan are in a state, of constant fission. Meaning the fuel is not only uncontrolled, but is likely at point to breach containment.
When originally observing the standard rises of nuclear “thermal temperatures”, inside the fukushima unit 1 reactor, as well as “drywell dose rate”, and “Reactor vessle pressure”; I was able to determine, that the nuclear fuel, was likely by early june to Breach the containment. (bearing in mind the complete loss of secondary containment)…
This is because the Mark 1 Nuclear reactor, holds, a design integrity, of only 398c. I was able to plot this in linear form by followin the continual rises of tempreatures between the dates, March 11th, and May 22nd. ( Source atmc.jp)
It became quite clear to me that boron, is likely failing neutron absourtion due to presence of iodine, being reported, in Wa. as of current date. The dates plotted were all in respects to “Continual rises” in the factors above (pressure, temperature, and dose rate). By plotting the specific data by date, and knowing a breaking point, (398c). the data is easily factorable… In most respects, the reactors have followed my estimation almost, identically.
Recently a video has surfaced showing that fission is now taking place below the reactor 1 unit at the fukushima daichii complex:http://www.youtube...
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Recently a video has surfaced showing that fission is now taking place below the reactor 1 unit at the fukushima daichii complex:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0OWtrPUNs source: tepco
In order for steam to be venting, from this location… spent nuclear fuel has breached, its containment. There is no other explanation for this process to occure, however mostly one must consider the process’s taking place…
In otherwords, reactor 3 is recieving coolant at a rate of 6m3, or in otherwords 6 metric tons an hour. now being there is 24 hours in a day to be multiplied into this equation… 24 x 6 = 144tons of coolant (containing a 33% ratio to boron) a day being released into the site. Now if steam is present (which it is). that would mean that the nuclear fuel, is indeed critical, Not only that but hte thermal nuclear temperature, is likely in the kelvin scale. As Any sufficient amount of coolant, would be receeding the temperature, to that respect. Although, one can clearly see that it is not…
This is the actual process taking place inside reactor unit 1 fukushima daichii. Its undisputable. There is no explanation for this video other than that of a china syndrome. Which leads me to speculate that the worst is yet to come, in the very very near future…
Cheers
Emmy
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*Reactor 1 (second to last paragraph….. My bad…
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Tacomagroove – Thanks for the info. This is the type of info I can use. Technical but understandable. You are providing me with invaluable info. THANKS YOU for this. God help us…..
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You did indeed and were made fun of because of it- thanks for stickin to ur guns! Now lets see if ur 2nd prediction after melt thru pans out- If all 6 reactors go ka-blewy Im given u full points…
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Second is full evacuation…
third, is loss of reactors 2, 5, and 6. as well as china in 3, and 4.
Fourth is kablooie…
though I gave three possible outcomes, as to how or what may occur after that. that was supported speculation. Do to present date knowledge…
Whose to say that the fuel wouldn’t make the entire reactor collapse, onto the molten core, burning it too; Away… sending plumes of radioactive smoke into the atmosphere until the entire building is completely vaporised…
There are several equally bad scenarios… I am simply targeting the worst… Tepco cant stand around doing nothing (or in a sense what htey are doing now). forever,…
They really need to throw a curveball before deaths of workers, is an expectancy…
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Everyone here has been warning each other that there was, or was going to be, a meltdown and perhaps melt-through beyond the last barriers, Tacoma. The criticism of your “theory” is that you were claiming horrific disaster around the world on the level of an ELE event, with more than half of humanity being killed by the fallout.
That hasn’t even come close to happening, nor will it. It’s always best to acknowledge truthfully when one’s predictions don’t come true. For example, I thought at the beginning that a true China Syndrome event would happen within a week, and that Tokyo would need to be evacuated, and yet I was simply wrong. It hasn’t been as bad as I predicted, though certainly it’s still possible for it to get that bad.
They’re still not admitting that the blobs have melted through the final barriers, and there aren’t any huge steam explosions, so maybe they’re right for the time being.
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that being said, I suppose I will simply have to wait to say: “I told you so”, again…
Stop wasting our time.
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How bad does it have to get? Japan already admitted to at least 200lbs of plutonium blown skyward, and that cute lie ignored the fact that for every bit of plutonium blown out of #3 there were 13 particles of uranium and other goodies. That makes about 1.5% of the reactor fuel, ground to nano size, blown out of that reactor at thousands of feet per second. Now, I think the 1.5% is a lie and it’s at least 10x that (based on corrected earlier TEPCO lies, they love that 10% first ‘admission’). Congratulations, you’ve just been chosen to play planetary Russian roulette ! You can’t choose not to play, and you get nothing for winning.
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i feel that you are misrepresenting the truth, and the accuracy of tacomagrooves analyses and predictions. besides the truth of the matter is Nuclear Boy is Sick.
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ALERT:
http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=1
Location: Unit 1 nuclear power plant Hukushima
Date: Mar 15, 2011 (Tuesday) to June 08, 2011 (Wed)
Current values: D / W: 51.2 Sv / h , S / C: .857 Sv / h
Status “Instrument failure”
Did anyone notice one of two things…
1.One rad dose exceeded the last reported level of 225; to a high of 250… yet no one wrote of this…
2.Instrument failure. my ars…
This is impossible. To drop from 250 – 25 then rise back to 200. It would take days to slowly decrease… Unless it all went up and out of the reactor…
Its impossible… check the cam… On the days it dropped. I guarantee that there were large releases from reactor 1.
Reactor 1′s fuel is officially beyond containment… This is a huge problem for tepco…
reactor 1 is a china syndrome…
“Tepco will be forced to evacuate very soon, as the radiation will be accumulating on site now more than ever”…
As in the last week over 200 – 400+SV/h have escaped, on more than one occasion into the atmosphere and is now laying around, all over the site.
YOU all need to start preparing, this will be the greatest challenge you will ever face.
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I did see them pumping something into the top of # 1 yesterday.
Must be some special concern.
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I distinctly remember one post that did reference the 250 spike. That was, I recall, after I had noted that the earlier post of 250 was done at the 225 level. The 250 Sv graphic showed up maybe 12 hours later. Yet with how fast all of this is changing, it is all sort of a blur for me.
I am amazed at how many bits of new information eclipse what used to be be the most significant new thread.
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I have noticed there are many exaggerated ego’s, running a muck, here.
Copy/paste…
then shout.
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Emmy,
What do you suggest, specifically, we do to prepare? I would really appreciate your help with this.
Thank you.
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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1499495/pg1
CAN YOU BUST THIS? FUKUSHIMA NUCLEAR!
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There are only 35 days or less until the fuel sustains a full-scale fission criticality. The boron, (which stops nuclear fission from occurring) will have exceeded its lifespan by this time… Tepco had already made a request as of march to evacuate the reactors. Though they are being forced to see it until the end by the Japanese government. God bless their souls. As it surely is a death mission.
Tepco will likely evacuate the site between the dates: June 16th – June 28th…
“This is because boron is limited and can no longer sustain its self within the current settings”.
THE NUCLEAR FUEL IS NOW CRITICAL. BORON CANNOT PREVENT A CHAIN REACTION. TEPCO WILL EVACUATE. </b?
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Hey tacomagroove, you are clearly well-read and have a scientific mind about these matters. But through all your comments and predictions I think that you may have a misconception about how fission reactions work. I made these comments the other day but I think you might have missed them.
You say “full scale criticality”. But let’s be precise about the term “critical”. What it means is that the neutron flux from ongoing fission is *exactly* equal to the flux required to keep the fission going. If the neutron flux is even a tiny bit greater than the critical flux, then each fission (which releases about 2.5 neutrons) will cause more than one additional fission, and very quickly the fission rate, and the energy released, will increase very rapidly. If the neutron flux is a tiny bit less than the critical level, the fission rate will die off rapidly. Maintaining exact criticality is a real trick – there needs to be some feedback mechanism to keep a nuclear reactor right at criticality. That’s what the control rods do when the reactor is working correctly.
Also, the neutrons from fission need to be slowed down in order to be able to cause more fissions. That is, the reactor must be moderated. Light elements like the hydrogen and oxygen in water, or carbon (in eastern bloc reactors like Chernobyl) are typically used. If these elements are not present, the neutrons tend to leave the fission region without causing more fission.
The boron (from boric acid put in the water) will have little or no effect in stopping any fission reaction if the fuel is melted into a mass. Bu it does not matter: if we have corium blobs that have escaped the steel pressure vessels, and pooled on the concrete floor of the containment, we lack the conditions for criticality.
Early on in the accident when the damaged fuel was falling to the bottom of the RPVs, it is entirely possible that fission occurred in whatever water remained at the bottom of the RPVs. This may have played…
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Just wanted to mention my paper was A:
here is basically, whats been going on…
I have a far more elaborate thesis paper to post that I am currently working on…
One that I am sure you, along with all interested in the crisis, will have much more intrigue over.
Life is a day by day, I try to give as much of my time to this, as I can. Please be patient…
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Gravatar sounds like virtual GPS.
“Your Gravatar is an image that follows you from site to site appearing beside your name when you do things like comment or post on a blog. Avatars help identify your posts on blogs and web forums, so why not on any site?”
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Iodine is still being produced in large amounts. Fission is happening. Dispute that please.
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…a big role in the dramatic explosion in Unit 3, for example, as Arnie has pointed out.
But a large scale super-critical fission explosion is implausible at this stage for a number of reasons. The corium could well have drilled its way through a substantial portion of the 10 meter thick concrete embedment by now, but it’s in contact with the water on top of it.
If the corium hits the water table, the decay heat alone is sufficient to boil that water too. But a super-critical fission explosion just is not in the cards.
I am not an event planner, I am a physicist.
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And, lest anyone think I am saying otherwise, even without a huge fission explosion the situation at Fukushima is extremely serious. We’ve been clearly systematically lied to for months, the whole thing has been downplayed by a befuddled (at best) media, and the worst is quite possibly yet to come in terms of major radiation release.
If unit 4 takes a tumble, dumping its contents or exposing them to air, the whole game changes completely, too, don’t forget.
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hey prof…
yuse sounds likes yuse are a edicated man.
i was told buy ma papy longs times ago whos deads now from canker.dat nucler fision loose on der ground is bad real bad.
and 5 japanese tons of dat dere plutomeums blown skywards is not sumthin to be sniffed at.
wat does use think.
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Thank you very much for that well-reasoned analysis! Only thing I have to add is absent further fission events, human error, equipment failure or general calamity, it is possible to cool the corium down to below boiling, given enough decay time, correct? The only analog we have is Chernobyl where the core cooled and solidified on its own without water, after spreading out below in the basement. Did the same thing happen here, and all the water is doing is spreading the contamination?
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Thanks for that info again Prof, I questioned your conclusions when you first posted it but in light of your expertise (hitherto not revealed) I’m prepared to accept this forecast.
Like yourself I am deeply concerned about the event at R3. The building is quietly obscured in both live cams, out of sight out of mind. A simple sleight of hand considering the structure is half destroyed.
A full disclosure of the status of R3 should have been forthcoming, but I guess an admission that the RPV made an attempt at earth orbit, or that the contents of the SFP ended up on the deck of the USS Ronald Reagan, might not be considered good PR.
Either of these possibilies are so bad that anyone staring for hours at the live feed waiting for Tacoma’s ELE is missing the point somewhat. More useful to spend some time digging for info, or demanding info, on the status at R3. That event may have been as bad as it gets, which is bad enough considering the fuel type and amount involved
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Great post.
I am just stating the obvious.
shtf
Time to take a crash course in post nuclear catastrophe…
I never intend on scaring anyone. I simply am telling it as it is…
& It simply is: A situation that needs attention, as well as minimal preparation. Due to the level of seriousness it represents.
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Prof. Neutron: Please accept my appreciation for the knowledgeable micro-essay you’ve posted. I would like all the readers here to understand that your words are correct (as you well know). It’s always a pleasure to hear physics presented for the layity.
And, Manifest Irony: You do, indeed, have the necessary understanding. What’s left of the cores will only continue to cool down. Assuming, of course, no further (very unlikely) fission events occur. The water is only meant to keep cores solidified and immobile while also reducing thermal stresses to the containment materials. The total heat being generated in unalterable but decreasing. Unfortunately, the use of water to keep the cores solid and the (broken) containments (mostly) intact does provide liquid and vapor phase dispersion of radioactive contamination.
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Thanks Judge! You’re absolutely right about water as immobilizing agent in addition to cooling. The only issue I have is that there’s no evidence that water is reaching the core. Could be completely submerged; might be dry. There’s no way to know for sure. It’s a terrible trade-off: adding water to a leaking containment in the hopes that it’s doing something good but ending up with tons of radioactive water in the process.
But it is the only option they have.
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Hey, you’ve got an avatar.
(scratches head)
How’d you do that?
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I disagree. Fission is the chain reaction occurring that is effectively, turning the water into a steam vapor. Thus the reactors are in constant fission. So, I will agree there’s nothing left but to do but attempt to cool the reactors down and hope that they cool themselves down. But if 8×24=tons of water a day cant do it. Its very likely, its going to take a few years, to stop the reaction from occurring. Further more every day and second the rad levels on site are getting worse.
Also the water is meant to cool the fuel, (not immobilize it).
In all respects it would be better for tepco to spray the fuel intensely keeping it scattered, so that it does not molt its self into a larger mass. (which would simply be a larger problem). Further more the Thermal stress of the containment vessels???
The fuel is sitting under the containment. For speaking so intelligently I feel its safe to say your an English major, and completely failed, your courses in respects to these issues.
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@Steven, I think that is Judge’s Gravatar, a Global Avatar. How that works…I can’t remember.
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@Steven, here you go:
http://en.gravatar.com/
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Thank you so much for the information, Prof Neutron! As of late, some of the tinfoil-hatters here have apparently scared away the real physicists and engineers, so we’ve had all too little of genuine scientific analysis of this situation. Please don’t get discouraged if they start flaming you, calling you a shill or whatnot, there are plenty of people here who want to read the real thing.
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You are paying no reference to quantum atomic leaping. Through nuclear fission between reactors.
That is a major cause of concern for me, as fission can theoretically start a chain reaction between reactors. This can indeed lead to a catastrophic explosion. I.E gamma ray burst.
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I think about this some, also ground water comtamination..
The underground piping is a mess.
And the trenches are flooding.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-01/radiated-water-at-fukushima-plant-may-breach-storage-trenches-in-five-days.html
The water is more radioactive than the air.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-06-03/fukushima-water-has-more-radiation-than-released-into-air.html
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I have to ask: Does “quantum atomic leaping” involve Scott Bakula in any way?
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Should I side with the physicist, or side with the seller of wedding dresses, the one crying “Wolf, wolf, wolf”?
Tough choice.
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Funny the forum at “cce” has no moderator, You can sell what ever you want there… If you started a forum discussion as the “seller of wedding dresses did”…
By the way, I said I am an event planner.
I’ve never actually gotten into my other positions, or education. Though I wouldn’t take you as a physicist, if you wrote it before your name.
And yes sadly there si a whole world called quantum physics. That do indeed apply to nuclear physics.
Ask your new physicist friend about it.
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My 30 second internet search yielded “A quantum leap is a leap from A to B, without passing through any of the points between A and B.”
whoa emmy. I agree, nothing to eff with.
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Nuclear and quantum physics.
http://www.hpwt.de/Kern2e.htm
http://www.hpwt.de/Quanten2e.htm
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@ Prof. Neutron
Thanks, Prof. Neutron:
I was writing Arnie Gundersen a letter of inquiry when I noticed your timely comments.
I doubt that Arnie’s explanation would surpass your own.
I appreciate your information and think most readers will.
You helped many people today, but tacomagroove is beyond all help, in my opinion, at least.
Thanks again.
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I was thinking the same thing about you friend.
Dont be prepared for anything.
There is no current World crisis happening. Drink your milk eat your cookies.
Take nothing I say with a dose of reality.
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@tacomagroove
I always hate to call your bluff, but you have freightened hundreds or thousands of people with your ignorance.
You can’t help it. I know that. A piece of you is missing, a piece called “introspection.”
Anyhow, I apologize. All of my comments addressed to you were written for the public, not for you, despite appearance.
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Black Rain
Get a clue.
Do you know what a nuclear crisis of this magnitude; Means for mankind?
Its not me that’s scaring people. It is simply the Fact that were involved in the biggest nuclear crisis, humanity has ever faced.
Your apologies to others, are indeed quite essential, as your intentions of silencing others opinions is your “fault”.
No pun intended.
In time maybe you will gain some introspect as well.
As I am simply reporting the theorized and supported by physicists effects of a china syndrome…
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Also food for thought.
If I am wrong in my opinions, I have advised hundreds of thousands, to take basic, intelligent precaution towards a current nuclear crisis.
however,
If you are wrong, than you have led those that you advised to their, deaths. by advising them not to take precaution…
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Amen, Black Rain!
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Prof. Neutron
Thanks for your posts. Hypothetically speaking, how do you think the corium – water table situation plays out, physically?
Is it possible for the blobs (3 of them) to break through to the ground water table, hyper boil the liquids (and gravel sediments etc?) there, therefore creating a MASSIVE steam filled, super hot hydrogen filled containment underground leading to a volcano like mega radioactive explosion event? Is this scenario possible, and if so, what levels of post event contamination might we expect as a result in North America from this? I am keen to hear your ideas.
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http://enenews.com/nuclear-fuel-has-melted-through-base-of-fukushima-plant/comment-page-1#comment-88567
ON GLP look up my thread… (can you bust this fukushima). [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxb5qwbXsw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/tacomagroove84?feature=mhee#p/a/f/1/V8kYqM2LfqA[/youtube]
Notice a pattern?
Just wanted to say so…
Im going back to putting on my tinfoil hat now… Not like I understand, basic math and science or anything…
Btw I am an event planner. Thats what I excel at. So this is an event, and Thats what I found likely to happen. (math aside).
Better stock up on water.
Emmy 2011
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… and stranger.
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Please, someone tell me, as a resident of So. California, what do I do with this information? In anticipation of further deterioration there, do I buy a gasmask? (seriously, should I?) Do I keep my children inside? Do I trash my vegetable garden? Realistically, what do west coast residents do now??
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http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
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Thanks very much! I certainly haven’t read through all of this yet, but I certainly will. This is exactly what I was looking for to feel like I could somehow be prepared.
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thats a nuclear fallout guide…
Learn how to take basic precaution for nuclear emergencies,
Learn the basics, of how to avoid radiation contamination
Learn how radiation emitters, work, for alpha beta and gamma emitters
All are free.
Basically learn to separate the situation from your life. In time if it gets worse, it will not effect your life because you took basic precaution…
I don’t advise panic, I advise, knowledge…
The biggest nuclear crisis is unfolding right in front of humanity’s fate.
Knowledge is everything,
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Are the geiger counters that you can buy online able to effectively screen food, like fresh fruits/veggies, and things like milk? Or, would I be kidding myself thinking that my food is okay to eat if I wasn’t getting an ‘alarm’ reading.
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If you get a Geiger counter, use it in your garden first. Check for hotspots from depositions in the soil. If you don’t find any hotspots and it reads near background levels, your homegrown food is most likely safe. Store bought food is usually checked, especially milk, for radiological contamination. Feel free to take a reading, though. But please remember, there’s a little radiation in everything.
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Manifest Irony,
No, milk is not being checked. Food is not being checked. UC Berkely is doing some of that but our government has sold us down the river.
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The fact that the FDA has stopped monitoring food, milk and water (rain and drinking), or at least they have stopped making the results public, if they are still testing anything, has to raise questions about their motives. Combine that with the fact that the corporate media has a near total blackout on this catastrophe, and when they do mention it, they trivialize it (John King asking Arnie Gunderson if breathing in 10 hot particles a day is a problem, for instance…) really has to make us all wonder what’s really going on here. Certainly, this is bad for business, and the economy is already in shambles, but to not give people accurate information so they can make informed decisions to protect themselves and their loved ones is beyond the pale. I, too, would like to know if a common Geiger counter can be used to determine the safety of foods and beverages, since the government has clearly abdicated its duty here. No big surprise.
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I often wonder about the term Chernobyl on steroids…
In my mind, chernobyl was mainly battled, by russians due to the threat of an ele.
So wouldn’t that make fukushima A super ele…
How come everytime there is an accredited physicist on the line, the media cuts him off, or he uses terms that practically avoid the integrity of the question…
Will this kill everyone?
That depends what the definition of is is…
Bullogs. People that often provide scape goat, beating around the bush answers have something they are hiding.
Chernobyl on steroids, is not an equivalent answer to is this an apocalypse, The question arnie gunderson was asked live on bbc…
The correct answer is Wasn’t chernobyl an “ele” had the russians not sarcophaguses it in time…
Thats the real answer… This is not only an ele. But a super ele.
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Thanks for the guide Tacoma. We’re fortunate in that after watching what happened with Katrina and living in one of the most isolated places in the world, we started prepping. What is nice about the preps is that regardless of the crisis (i.e hurricane, pandemic, financial, etc), the basic preps will still work. Never thought I’d concern myself with a nuclear disaster because my thinking was focused on weapons and if it hit Oahu, there would be nothing left after a couple of weeks. Radiation from someplace else drifting over never occurred to me.
Couple thoughts on the guide: a crank radio is handy and you don’t have to worry about the batteries. A solar oven works wonderfully but you do need sun and have the ability to go outside. I didn’t understand the part about turning off the utilities as I thought you’d want to have them on as long as possible.
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I also advise people to download the entire google earth program, any basic survival guides, as well as screen shots, of information on radiation, and its effects on health. In the event that there is a loss of internet. These are very useful tools, in the event life drastically changes.
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YOU START MAKING NOISE ASKING YOUR GOVERNMENT REPS AND YOUR CUDDLY GOLF PLAYING PRES OBAMA WHOWHATWHERE WHAT IS GOING ON. NOBODY IS MAKING ANY REAL NOISE.
you buy a decent water filter ask for a trap filter.
http://nuwaterconcepts.com/counter-top.html
buy some zeolite…dean mentions a very cheap source here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHCPfZcyQUM
buy green clay.
buy bicarbonate of soda in bulk and epsom salts.
ask lots of questions.
avoid fresh milk buy powder stuff.
do not buy anything from any money grabbing crummy health web site without checking and re-checking.
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What happened to radiationnetwork.com? Not there it says. The readings in Arizona have been higher than anywhere else at most times. Any ideas? It was there earlier today.
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try http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-data-map.html
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Good question. It was there earlier today.
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http://www.failedrobot.com
Click the image, its a radnet mirror
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Its gone thats strange. this is another version.
http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
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Must be Sarg and his men. Whos side are they on anyways!
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another great question whose running enenews? Is this just a part of the timelapse information release as reported. Meaning on this site are we just slowly being fed information as it comes to light, on other channels of socialization…
How can anyone be sure that this site is not a front??? It came from nowhere, and the op, seems to be awful quiet…
Can we trust that this information is a trusted source digging into it? or is it simply a site that is disguised as one. It didn’t exist prior to the crisis. It also reflects the data on natural news. Another site, ive been questioning… It seems everytime that “Us” the users make a revelation, the OP. Leaves, three articles of omg… Which completely change the topic of conversation…
I really want the op, would identify His position… In a bio, of somesort…
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The headline is misleading, the article does not say that the corium has melted through the base of the plant. It says it has melted through the reactor pressure vessels and is now residing within primary containment. Obviously, there is a leak path from that containment in one, or some of the reactors. Otherwise highly contaminated water wouldn’t be showing up outside of that containment. The leak path could be faulty plumbing or cracks, there doesn’t have to be a burn through. The ‘good news’ for now appears to be that most of the corium is still contained. That said, I read the other day that there’s enough residual radiation in the fuel (even if it doesn’t periodically go critical) to allow it to generate enough heat to eventually burn through the concrete containment. So, sadly, the headline may only be a bit premature. What a mess.
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I really think the melt-through happened quite a while back !
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it going to be very interesting how the media re-frames and kick starts this.
it has been such a skillful suppression job.
i assume it will be another big bang or steam jets shooting into the sky or people dropping down dead in tokyo.
then it will be ohhh yes are calculations where wrong,tepco mislead us.
we did not think to check or verify how long a reactors melted down core can just sit on the floor, without goin someplace else.
all over the news today is the viagra buying in libya to rape women.
no story no in depth report just rehashing some statement given,no checking of sources no journalism.
if anyone knows any scientists or journalists please encourage them to commit suicide.because they are all purveyors of lies and bits of rustling paper.
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As do I.
I feel this Update says only this….
The fuel is now completely outside / under the reactor.
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Tacomagroove,
first off, thank you for your insight into the situation at Fuku. Like you, I have felt from the beginning (and from following some brilliant people at Reuters liveblog)that this is mankinds’ SHTF moment. But I have a few questions. And I came to his conclusion after reading your post at godlikeproductions. Because, once one reactor takes a giant dump, and the site is abandoned due to high rad levels…how quickly will the 5 others follow if they havent already? and then the spfs/common pool, and whatever casks they have laying around, etc etc…and pretty soon, one reactor site after another will topple too, to a point where Japan is uninhabitable…i mean, thats where this is heading, isnt it? how long, really, before WE cant leave OUR HOUSES?? (I live in Michigan)and what is the point of stocking up on supplies and the like? I mean, arent you just postponing the inevitable? Really, shouldnt we be planning for a way to take ourselves out/suicide if necessary?
So far everything you have said, has come true…so what is your feeling on this?? assuming one would prefer it, to avoid multiple cancers, starvation, etc
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In all respects, I can’t physically plot the reactors 5, and 6. There is no data available on them. (which scares me). With the reports of frequent explosions, at fukushima, and no visual feed. I often wonder what their status’s are.
I do feel that in a short amount of time, (within the month) tepco’s staff will be forced to evacuate. (in respect to high rads).
The rest is a mystery, though the essential information can be determined through common sense. Once all hands are off deck, the boat will drive its self? meaning, sink?…
Its really in gods hands, at that point…
I do admit every plant in japan as well as every inch of soil could be completely unattended / uninhabitable. Though its really impossible to know / speculate on… without, any data.
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Also radiation is effectively stopped, with an adequate amount of distance… If it does indeed become What I feel it is. The basement of any two story building would be an appropriate fallout shelter. 6 feet of solid mass / soil. IS key in surrounding the basement. This will stop gamma radiation emitters…
Traveling outside your shelter (say to scavenger food ect). can be done, so long as you have protection from layers of clothing, and filtering of oxygen… If you cant afford a gasmask, a ventilator, and a scarf or two would provide you enough protection to travel outside. (on limited trips Plan half hour sessions…) That will limit your exposure… Also leave your dirty clothes at the door. ANd change / wash off… create a decontamination area. So when your taking trips outside your not dragging the stuff in your safe room.
I do not avoid quitting life. As the world isnt over. Its simply changing in the name of science… Weve adapted this far. eventually, we will adapt to this. Especially if we have to.
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I meant to say I do not advise…
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I just saw radiationnetwork.com go offline. This message is given. Keep posting you are right. Gone
The requested resource
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is no longer available on this server and there is no forwarding address. Please remove all references to this resource.
Are we next? I’ve been reading and sending information for which I and my contacts got computer viruses and dead computers. I still have my phone. You guys must keep online. We all need you! Thanks for all your research and information!
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azangel:
Try http://www.failedrobot.com Click on the rad map image, if its not a direct image, its a mirror to the radnet.
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do not forget fukishima daini down the road.
a nuke sight that is within the dead zone.
that has to be kept running,if it has not gone into melt down already.
Construction Containment[7]
1 31/07/1981 250,000,000 Toshiba Toshiba Kajima Mark 2
2 23/06/1983 230,000,000 Hitachi Hitachi Kajima Mark 2 advanced
3 14/12/1984 290,000,000 Toshiba Toshiba Kajima Mark 2 advanced
4 17/12/1986 250,000,000[8] Hitachi Hitachi Shimizu
Takenaka Mark 2 advanced
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No suicide. Stock up on your favorite hard booze, herbs and spices! Prepare to party on down once your teeth fall out! I’m serious as hell about this. I work with a fellow that thinks eating dirt and taking pills will save him. If this is in fact an even as bad as an ELE, what kind of world would you live in if you WERE to survive? No thanks. I got a generator for music and a fully stocked bar. I’m having one hell of a ‘going away’ party once it looks inevitable.
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Has been widely reported..as well as on enenews.com back issues…
Containment Vessel Breached; Workers Flee Fukushima I
March 14th, 2011
The New York Times reports that workers have been withdrawn from the Fukushima I site, indicating that not one, not two, but three complete core meltdowns are very likely. The withdrawal of workers came following what appears to be a breach of the steel containment structure, which encloses the core, on the #2 reactor. The withdrawal of the workers means all three cores are extremely likely to melt down fully…
http://techyum.com/2011/03/containment-vessel-breached-workers-flee-fukushima-i/
15 March 2011 Last updated at 13:50 ET Reactor breach worsens prospects
It appears that for the first time, the containment system around one of the Fukushima Daiichi reactors has been breached.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12745186
Japan reactor core may be leaking radioactive material, official says
In March 25, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff
a likely breach in the all-important containment vessel of the No. 3 reactor at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant,…
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-25/world/japan.nuclear.reactors_1_reactor-japan-nuclear-radioactive-water?_s=PM:WORLD
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Action on the Tepco cam: 2 workers signalling each other from catwalk to position below.
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That green liquid is what they are using to glue the contamination together, creating a safety blanket above it. Though its use is questionable…
It basically makes the isotopes coagulate, so clean up is essentially more effective… Leads me/one to believe that radiation is skyrocketing as of current.
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Now hosing off the shrubery with hoses emitting (apparent) green liquid. ?
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And now all 3 workers gone.
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Maybe it’s just me…
but does anyone else recall the early claim that the Fuku50 would be given stem-cell therapy as if it’s a proven therapy for radiological exposure?
Or maybe you recall the proposition to use e.coli as a fuel.
No?
Alas…
there’s always the football:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c
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I, too, have said it is ” core down” from the day I joined …
My deal is visual analysis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj0OWtrPUNs&feature=player_embedded.
The stuff does NOT go to China.
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In other words..”Read ‘em and weep”.
I suspect the same situ for all affected reactors.
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At the end of the Telegraph article Yoshiaki Oka, a professor of nuclear science at Tokyo’s Waseda University was quoted “But we now know that this happened at the very beginning of the accident, so I see no particular additional affects on human health,” he said. Nobody else noticed this oxymoron? Were not the initial estimated health effects based on what they initially thought the extent of accident was? So if the accident is now worse how can the effects on human health be the same?
I’m sure no one on this site is not aware of the huge amount of BS we have been fed but I’m just saying…. Forget who but someone commented on how at the end of all these mainstream news releases they always have some ersatz feel good comment.
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Maybe because the initial effects were horribly understated?
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The earlier CNN Video Gunderson explains Hot Particles and lodgeing in a lung,creating cancer and people in Seattle sucked it in (all of April).He then asks Gunderson is that something to be concerned about.
WHAT ????
If i was able to take his 5 yr old child,and sprinkle these fuel flea particles on his food for 30 days in front of him and say eat it..would the CNN interviewer think it would be something to concern himself with ???
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The Neutron bomb option, bantered about in a purely theoretical manner by some scientist, is looking very viable at this point . Nuclear induced sarcophagus may be the only option left.
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Yes it will grow in exceptance with time and lack of options. Tomorrow would not be to soon.
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/
“The “Do Nothing Option” allows the deaths and maiming of many millions of people to rapidly proceed. Doing nothing, by default, allows the Fukushima Kill to ruthlessly continue unabated. Doing nothing is also not acceptable from a practical standpoint; because, Japan does not own the nuclear weapons to use themselves.
Nuke the reactors at Fukushima Daiichi right into the sea, Mr. President.”
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Hey Sarg.
I see you’ve got your team working like crazy here to fill this forum up with legitimate sounding, but totally bogus messages.
I also see that Tacoma was able to log in, and perhaps a couple others.
For those of you that can’t log in – here’s how to get around Sarg’s crazy hack.
press the login button, but don’t log in.
Just go to the URL and delete the part where Sarg has you redirected to his fake website on the NS0 servers…
Then just log in. And go over and change your password so Sarg can’t get it – and make sure he’s not keylogging you – he likes to do that too.
NS0? Hmm. Where have I heard of that before? Can’t be…
Hows the weather in Virginia tonight Sarg? Or are you still over in San Diego fixing that little dustup.
Ok, well the topic for tonight is the fuel which has left the buildings…
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Evan paranoids have enemies. Sleep well…
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Hey, Doc…James/Sarge gives me the creeps. Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde.
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James2 is right about logging in.
If you hit log in you get this:
http://enenews.com/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Fenenews.com%2F
I deleted right after “php?” and logged in as he said was possible.
Changed password after that.
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Thanks, Au
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I am going to toss that “Thank You” up to James2.
: )
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That’s just an ASCII hexadecimal code conversion of the characters “://”.
Thus, “http%3A%2F%2Fenenews.com%2F” is the same as “http://enenews.com/”.
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I see you’ve got your team working like crazy here to fill this forum up with legitimate sounding, but totally bogus messages..
sir eyes tinks youse is wrong prof heinirich neutron and his many fiends are gust good ole nucelar fision lovers.
imagines if youse worked and took der monies from der death industry for years,you wanit to go ons not to end.
i agrees wid prof death nucleer is good for us helps us sleep for a long times
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Oh, I forgot to tell you that from the time I posted Sarg’s domain registration this morning to now, he’s gotten all the domain information from his site, http://www.fenergynews.com removed from the database.
That’s not supposed to happen – but somehow Sarg and his crew got it done. So maybe Sarg really is a government spook after all.
That sounds crazier than somebody stealing a blog and spending the time filling it up with bogus messages about radioactive water – when the biggest nuclear disaster in history is taking place.
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Why don’t you all out there give a little ping to Sarg and his crew at http://WWW.fenergy.com – just for fun.
His site responds to the ping, but nothing comes back. How do you do that Sarg?
Hey I never got the answer about killing people. Now that I know you’re not some low life PR man, but you’re actually a low-life spy – you can tell me what’s it feel like to do the work? – do you envy Klause Barbie or Herman Gohring more?
Well, if Tacoma is right, and this is the end of days, then I guess you’ll get to meet those heros of yours in the – I guess charrred flesh… But that’s OK I’m sure they will envy you for your efficiency in covering this whole thing up…
Do they teach you how to kill innocent children without remorse in that training you go to?
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Is this a joke?
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I apologies.
I have miss stated my query.
Please, allow me to advance a more specific component within my initial expression.
Thank You.
[revised edition]
Do you take pride in stupidity?
I await your answer and, good morning.
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So back to Fukushima. Yes, the fuel has left the building – even though the article posted above is claiming it’s still inside the leaky containment.
We know the fuel has left the building for a few reasons.
1. They’ve actually admitted finding Plutonium on the ground in several places.
2. The radiation is so bad, it damages their cameras when they try to take pictures of it. I estimate the radiation went completely out of control around April 15th – because they haven’t gotten a single decent picture of it since then.
3. The video the other day of the 4,000 Sieverts per hour steam (I still think that number must be a mistake) blowing up from below the floor of the reactor building.
That steam is nearly proof that the nuclear material is out of the building. Otherwise they would have about 5 million gallons of violently boiling water with 4,000 sieverts per hour in the basement – that’s an ungodly amount of radiation in water – 4,000 SV per hour would kill a person in 10 seconds.
Now – As for Tokyo – if that 4,000 Sv steam is blowing over Tokyo right now – that’s bad – really bad. That’s enough radiation to kill everything it touches.
If you are reading this from Tokyo – I suspect you are already packing your stuff up.
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I apologies some more…
Do you get it yet?
james2
How to find a phoney, a baloney, a mouth in dirt.
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James I agree that corium has at least fallen/melted into the basement.
Plutonium was ejected by explosion, it is not an indication of corium leaving the building.
2) no evidence. They are not “giving up” their data. They are still looking for the midgame of the opening of this diasaster.
3) agreed, this steam is proof, at 50C, there must be a heat source below the building (in the basement), it must be the corium.
The steam looked small quantity, so with dilution and 150km, it won’t by itself kill everything it touches.
But I agree that anyone with the wherewithal to evacuate should. It can still get far worse if 5 and 6 lose power, and boil dry. 20 to 100 Chernobyls
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I agree the temp is likely in the kelvin scale. Though I disagree, if reactors 5, and 6 lose coolant, were looking at 1000 chernobyls…
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thank you T_T
does this show up on a geiger counter then??
I can and of cfurse WILL act quickly,but I can’t without visible data…
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Neutron – please forgive the humble mathematician here, but I can see no plausible argument on your part, why the corium will cool down, from this point on – other than conviction. Is it just me? Can you back your conclusions with some scientific arguments? What makes you to believe that the corium will cool down?
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The argument is that the core becomes less radioactive over time as half lives pass and isotopes decay. This produces less heat. Therefore, giving time, the corium will cool to a more manageable temperature.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to answer for the Professor. I’ve noticed him/her on here a couple of times before and he/she usually drops in to set the scientific record straight, so to speak. Doesn’t usually stick around to chat, though. Thus my reply.
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years, decades? I think once they load the rods into the reactor it runs for years until reload is needed. It is undergoing fission, not just having half lives expire.
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A few years and the rods are cool enough for dry cask storage. Decay heat is enough to keep the rods plenty hot for the time being, certainly enough to boil water. No evidence of ongoing fission is apparent at this time, although it may have occurred during the initial hours of the meltdown.
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Are you saying no more Iodine-xxx is being produced?
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Actually that’s a good question. Well spotted TG. I presumed the water would do it but on second thought if the corium is mobile it could reposition itself to a less efficient cooling status
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What about the article stating it gains in power for 250,000 years then starts losing its heat? I mean if that’s the case, who has that kind of time to wait for a cool-down?
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Methinks Sarg has Arnie on the payroll too. CNN style payroll
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Good question Greg – Here’s the answer – it will cool down.
The question is how many innocent people will it kill before it cools down. Because it’s blowing steam and has been for three months, that it’s obviously still heating up at this point…
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If anyone has info on this explosion… please post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOVl3q5Cdk&feature=related
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Yes, I think i know …
That was an explosion and fire at a nearby oil refinery.
NOT fukushima..
Try google’ oil refinery explosion ‘ japan, at that time and see what comes up ?
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This it ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9u7vWxTbE&
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@ Cindy.I don’t know..Have to look at it for awhile.
Thanks a bunch.
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Wow! It was uploaded on April 27th. The explosions do not look like regular fire and blow ups. Maybe more hydrogen explosions? Can someone more knowledgeable look at it, if there were some criticalities involved? Also, all the other reactors are on serious fire, too. Me, just guessing here, but it doesn’t look good.
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Can I put one more piece of advice for folks on your stolen website Sarg?
This is advice for all you folks who are evacuating Tokyo or you military families being evacuated.
Don’t fly when you evacuate Japan. Or at least check the weather reports carefully before you do.
It’s been a few years since I’ve flown a jet , but as I recall the pressurized air comes straight off the bleed ports in the engine, which comes from the air outside the airplane. The problem for you is that the “hot” particles in the air are exactly what you are trying to escape from – you don’t want to have the stuff concentrated more and fed to your lungs in an enclosed environment.
This makes it very difficult to evacuate. I would say drive to the south and take a ferry if your not able to be certain of the air quality in flight. Good Luck folks
OK sarg – that’s all for now. Have fun with this misinformation gig while it lasts – and do me one more favor: Kick old Gohring in the nuts when you meet him and tell him it’s from James…
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Your “advice” is greatly appreciated.
I will now set forth an effort to propagate your great wisdom.
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I’m sorry.
Did someone barf.
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@James2 With all due respect, Your postings come off like a T.V. mini-series, I sometimes can not tell if it is more like The Man from U.N.C.L.E. or Get Smart. I have no trouble getting on this site. Are you the Nuclear Tech from the USS Ronald Reagan? You know, the link you posted awhile back. I await the next episode.
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+1 for that responce, Novamind. (:
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thankyou tacoma!
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http://enenews.com/govt-report-suggests-situation-worse-meltdown-worst-possibility-nuclear-accident
like i stated yesterday, for some strange reason enenews seems to be repeating information…anyway i would trust a true physicist at this moment over tacomagrove, not just because they have information in the field that i’m sure tacoma doesn’t, but tacoma does seem to incite a lot of panic…a feeling of discomfort at almost every new thing that happens. YES, this is a horrible situation, and YES we all will be affected, but is it really necessary to repeat the same thing over and over again? the people who listen will listen the first time, for those who won’t, well let it be. it seems to me tacoma that you are trying to shove your theory down peoples throats…i really mean no disrespect, but now that someone in the field hops on hear at enenews you discredit them and make it seem like they don’t know what they are talking about. thank you for taking the time to write all that out professor neutron.
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Actually, just the opposite is true. They came on to discredit what she was saying, not the other way around.
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So you’re thinking the prof is a shill, and tacoma is right in her apocalyptic predictions? This is getting really complicated…who even knows what to believe anymore?
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Believe this:
1. There is a serious nuclear accident in Japan.
2. Media coverage is scant to nil
3. Radiation is all over the Northern Hemisphere – at low levels
4. Low levels of radiation can kill you
5. The low levels could become high levels shortly
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Thanks, Pu…All that I believe, although no one else I speak with here (Boulder, CO area) seems to be aware of any of it. I have just placed an order for a multitude of supplements (mostly antioxidants) to take in addition to what I already use. Ordered from iHerb.com, they have great selection and prices, you can use code kid021 to get $5 off first order, and free shipping on orders over $40 too…also have stocked up on “clean” foods that are still available. Some of those are California almonds and raisins, which are still last year’s crop, Washington apples as well, non-dairy milk substitutes (almond is the best, IMO), and dairy (butter, cheese and ghee) that I could confirm is pre-3/11.
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@Prof. Neutron:
“I am not an event planner, I am a physicist.”
That’s a great line! Mine would read something like:
“I am not an event planner, I am a computer scientist who also happened to study physics”
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“Damn it, Jim! I’m a physicist–not an event planner.”
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LOL! +1 for that.
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I called for a Tokyo evacuation on day two. Everyone told me I was nuts (like I ever care). This was because I recognized the obvious no nos of nuclear reactors. 1) Never place them close than 50 miles from one another. Never place them on a fault line, never place them on a fault line that deliver tsunamis to ocean based plants. As soon as I seen it was Fukushima, I knew China Syndrome was inevitable, but something far worse is possible. The meltdown domino effect. Naturally this news is old, close two a month, so we need to use our knowledge we have and look for sings in the dominoes falling. They are all there. When people get sick of burying their kids because of radiation, they will all abandon the land of Japan. Then what do we have? 50 +/- reactors with several hundred thousand fuel rods abandon, that is what we have. A grid that lost 4, 6, 10, 13 reactors? that will spread to ALL reactors, unless they are shut down ….like last month. UN is keep thing quite to keep wall street from crashing, no matter how many Japanese die. We need to start using ALL of our brains on this one.
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I feel sorry for japan, but I also pity them… Its like when your at a bar and a drunk guy with a gun comes in… do you order another drink, and wait for the bartender to address the situation… Or bail and come back to close your tab tomorrow…
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anyone that says its not that simple answered the question without speaking
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Its Back-Massive Metalic taste in mouth started this afternoon.
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whats your geo location?
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Where you living Novamind?
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20 clicks west of Portland Oregon is home. 60 clicks from the ocean.
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I tasted it in March and first part of April and so did a few others I knew, including a friend in Portland. Everyone said that wasn’t possible but I am very sensitive to smell. I can tell when someone is spraying pesticide blocks away. I guess that is what makes me a good cook. Good luck.
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I too tasted it in March…
A gf of mine, went to olympia falls, shortly after the incident, and had several very severe nose bleeds… I am concerned about them… do to the fact that a water fall, is the end / of the line, and massive contamination likely collects in the pools, from rainwater… I wish someone could test the water there soon…
I am in tacoma wa, (near seattle). I had the taste on several dates, between march and now… Especially after drinking coffee / water…
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It is the same taste you get in your mouth from welding on, or too close to galvanized metal which is a no no without a resparator and ventaliation. It will give you galvy fever.
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Hey all you folks that want to get real information from this site, I hope you can see that these crazy hackers have taken it over and are trying to smooth everything over.
We got a guy who names himself Professor Neutron who’s trying to come off as some kind of scientist – like Bill Nye the Science guy – except he obviously knows nothing of the situation.
Hey neutron – tell me about that Plutonium Dioxide MOX fuel that blew out of Reactor #3.
Then we got Novamind – another cutesy hacker name
Then ociffer – who seems to be so stupid all he can do is agree with the other guy.
Then we have the legitimate poster’s names here who’ve been stolen by the hacker group. Tacoma, Anthony and others.
If you want to find out how real bad these folks are – and how desperate their handlers are – then just click on the reply button here and it will take you to the login screen.
There you wills see that you are being redirected to their fake site Fenews on Server NS0.
100% proof positive that there are folks proactively trying to suppress knowledge of what is going on in Japan.
I just hope the legitimate posters out there who have been locked out, can take my advice and get this news out to the IT community – that these guys will stop at nothing to control the information flow.
Hey Nova – Did you ever talk to those Reagan Sailors families yet???
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I can assure you I am emmy, AKA tacomagroove, so I guess I missed your point…
Which posts are stolen Of mine?
But I will agree prof neutron isn’t in this for the release of information…
? shrill? disinfo agent? cia? Idk…
What is the link to the other site>?
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Cutsey Hacker Novamind here, I do not know about the others on this site, but you are mistaken about me.
Although I have grown tired of your lengthly post spy dribble. How about just trying your informative posts in credible style. O’ya and SARG says to tell you Hi.
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hold on fella.
professor neutron is super cleever sea he tells it likes it is he lays it on der line.
hes der john wayne of der nuke worlld.
he gust cant get off der horse to drink der milk cos der milch is bad.
if he says plumtomium is safe to eat and drink and makes youse boners stronger i says let der man talk seas
we in americium havs to project are domocrotsy from dose mad Iridium ayatolars and a rabs.
ma pappe before he die scremin said son no suck thing as a free dinner or lunsh.
but as prof neutrons says doze generuss japanese volks every day are givvin us freeee boner food in der air we suck.
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Didn’t realize someone had my ID…. are you sure. Maybe its your email they have hacked James2? I haven’t been rerouted as of yet….always straight to enenews …
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Hey Nova – last I looked, Virginia is east of Portland.
But if you’re really west of Portland, you’re probably sucking down the fallout with the rest of the Nike crew. Hey what’s going on at the sports center these days?
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Taco is not crying wolf- The man claiming to be a nuke expert may in fact be one or is just a lying shill or both. All those of u that are attacking Taco cuz he speaks his mind- n u could all put ur heads together and still not have enuff brains to blow ur collective noses… He has been rite so far but that dont matter to critics. And what does he suggest? He says prepare and links excellent articles to help people. WTF is ur problem people- Ur losers and bitter for it u make me sik course that could just be the radiation….
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lol Your cute when your witty… Need more opinions like yours…
& this is Not because you like me, but because you said everything I’ve implied… Its cause you listened to me
Why dispute taking precaution, and acting out for real information in the first place?
Why offer no brained lame arguments that change the topic entirely, and belittle someone thats only actively trying to help humanity?
For everything in life there is motive… I like your motive Mikey…
Ty
Emmy
I more often than not try Not, to name names, and state reasons that I feel someone is a Shrill—> in my opinion I know who they all are. I know who they likely work for. But It discredits, me stating them as so… Its much easier for me to continue my work without bias… Its also more tactful…
I can only say… Keep your eyes out. Bad sources are online 24hrs aday hampering what I you and many have to say…
Sad world…
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I can spot them easily also. There are more here than most people would believe. My background helps me piece together information from many sources and see patterns.
It is obvious to me that the decision has been made to bring this site under control. A variety of methods are being used. Those of us who use logic without bias will not be swayed.
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I completely agree, Btw to all of you that seem to discredit me just because I am an event planner… I have gave you all no actual indication of my education, past, or upbringing…
I choose not to bring it into detail for several reasons. the biggest being: Protection.
However, one can clearly by now see that I know my physics.
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I am an amateur scientist only, but I can make clear sense out of what you write.
Tacoma, have you studied the piezoelectric effect and the Curie’s studies of electromagnetic force being applied to quartz to create that effect? A semblance of this is being used by NASA for testing a radiation shield for their spacecraft to protect astronauts from space radiation. Other similar systems are being used to protect delicate instrumentation. Quantum mechanics is a love of mine and I have been experimenting with using these principles on humans and pets, creating a plasma field to protect from radiation. We have been having amazing results on friends and family who have been using the system I’m testing. Any thoughts?
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I’ve brushed over some of nasa’s recent developments… Mostly their use of porcelain to lower heat in orbital operations, Though I had not heard of the recent studies, on quartz. via the limiting of solar radiation. Though I feel there may be a difference of implication in regards to the difference between nuclear / and solar radiation…
although one thing that really caught my attention in the past few months. In reference to “electro magnetism”…
When metal is induces in a microwave it is the reflecting of microwave energy. that the observer witnesses.
So what really caught my attention is the recent theories on fukushima creating super cell storms; In correlation to fukushimas, trajectories & timing…
The storms in fortworth TX. was an especially interesting event in my opinion, as I was deeply intrigued by the idea of some unknown weather phenomenon creating nuclear reflectance…
Something that was “theoretical”, Until quite possibly now…
The theory is kinda opening my mind to a possible new level in elementary / theoretical physics. I always fathomed, yet would have otherwise dismissed as impossible until now.
This is also very unfortunate, as it would leave me to believe the current crisis, has expelled so much radiation that the inner ozone layer, is quite possibly becoming a microwave…
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That microwave scenario has also been on my mind, and is why I am experimenting with a plasma shield. We have to have a way to protect ourselves in that nasty oven. Thanks for the response.
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Here is an article on the plasma shield.
http://news.discovery.com/space/radiation-shield-shuttle-launch-110427.html
I actually think that the principle behind the shield, spinning dangerous particulates to the poles and shooting them away, is applicable to any kind of dangerous radiation.
Those of us using this system, have found immediate relief from the effects that we were feeling from radiation, including; headaches, sore throats, tickle cough, lung problems, dizziness, and exhaustion. I’m very excited about the results so far and hopeful this will help people. My fear is that the simplicity of the principles will make some people doubt the science behind the idea.
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Yes its the lame duck syndrome. That: “Most people seem to ignore principal, do to ease”. The easy way out, some time indeed is just that; The easiest way out…
Though, it also at times bears even greater consequences…
I actually, think that the end of humanity, and the end of earth for that matter, will be due to a nuclear explosion being implemented, in regards to the fukushima crisis…
Meaning everyone on earth will die in an ele, because we will nuke the reactors…
I hate to say it, but the people in charge are proving to have no inclination as to what to do in respects to the situation.
I sincerely, hope this is not the method that they will attempt.
God have mercy on us all.
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Tacoma, in reply to your “nuke the reactors” remark below, have you seen this page?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/
Scroll down to “the Solution, Then and Now, Has Changed”.
I found this scenario to be somehow more plausible than any “nuke the reactors” (directly) option, which, one way or another, should have already been done over a month ago (see Leuren Moret remarks below)… Job One, of course, first being MASS EVAC. Your take on this, please.
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFZQV8Vlfc ]
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A great find zardos.
I will write an entire paper on that question… I will release it by 8pm…
I am off to bed for now. But I will post it at 8pm, on the newest tread available, at that time…
srry.
also In short terms, I feel it is the worst option / strategy, one could implore at this time.
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Continue the good work of providing those of us that will read all opinions before forming our own, with the info you have been providing us with. I read all comments then form my own opinion. Tacomagroove has a track record of being correct with her/his assumptions thus far.
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shall I bring my tomatoes in?
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No, in fact you should go outside and lick the ground, prefferably where your neighbors dog like to ‘do his business’. Idiot.
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I was diagnosed with COPD in 2009. On or about March 17 here in Seattle I noticed a dramatic increase in my symptoms for COPD !
As of today I can hardly breath anymore and sleep is impossible ! I’m TOAST !
I’ve had a good life and no regrets but I never thought I would go down in a situation like this ! its like being in a movie … the future looks like a real Mofo ! bye bye
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Lunger, it is people like you I am trying to help. The system I’ve put together is helping people with lung problems. The plasma shield that is created by the piezoelectric effect and the electro-magnetic field, as I discussed above, is not only bringing protection, but in a similar manner as the chemical process that takes place in the atmosphere, more breathable air is produced in the ionized area between the bio-field and the body.
I wish I could just communicate with you separately since I don’t want to give my email out. I could tell you how to put together the rudiments of the system yourself.
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You may create a new email at yahoo or gmail or somewhere else (it’s for free) and use this one to communicate. When done you can just leave that account and forget about it.
just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I just created an account for anyone who wants information about the radiation shield we are experimenting with. Although we are setting up to sell these, our primary purpose is to help people so we are telling people what to do to put together their own system if that is what they choose. I’m not giving our website (under construction) or the name because I am not here to push anything. I just can’t stand seeing the hopelessness any more without sharing the fact that we think we may be able to help.
Obviously, for legal reasons, I have to say we cannot promise any health effects from this, etc. etc.
radiationshield at yahoo dot com
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Thx anyway Nevada. COPD is not cureable…radiation has only made it worse for me. Have you the formula for “blue pill ” ?
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No, sorry, but look above for my new email address if you want info about something that, even if it can’t give you a cure, may help you to breathe better in the mean time.
(this statement has not been evaluated by the FDA, and this is not meant to treate disease, and all that crap…do not want to get into legal trouble here)
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If your copd is emphysema then it’s not curable and it’s expected that it would get worse no matter what.
If it’s asthma, as with me, I can tell you that moving to Seattle some years ago made it worse. This has to do with mold forming from the high humidity and chilly temps. The mold gives off spores which trigger asthma attacks.
The cure for that is to bleach the crap out of any mold that you see forming anywhere and spray on some anti-mold stuff, and to heat your room even if you could be comfortable with a lower temp.
There may or may not be a pollen problem also in the springtime, which would show up by symptoms being worse if you open the window or go outside for half an hour or more.
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Everything you say is true and well noted. Historically speaking, low level radiation and minute particles cause many atypical pulmonary conditions especially in people who have compromised lungs. In my case the radioactive particles I have breathed in
have caused pulmonary edema (swelling).
mold spores and pollen are the least of my worries
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As of now, Calimom, the situation isn’t so bad that you’d need to withhold fresh foods from your kids. But that could change quickly, just keep an eye out on what’s happening in Japan and what the radiation detectors are saying here: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nuclear-radiation-monitoring-every-us-city-single-page-16511/
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Safe? What planet are you on? A few posts back there’s an autoradiograph of dandelion leaves in Tokyo. You can count 8 or 9 ‘hot particles’ on each. Sound yummy? How about the article that the West Coast is getting 1/2 of what Tokyo got? Still want those dandelion leaves with only 4 ‘hot particles’ each?
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I didn’t say it was “safe”. I said the situation was not so bad right now that a person in California (where I am) needs to withhold fresh foods from her family.
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It’s not so good…
CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report indicates that eight cities in the northwest U.S. – Boise, Idaho; Seattle, Wash.; Portland, Ore.; plus the northern California cities of Santa Cruz, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose and Berkeley – reported the following data on deaths among those younger than one year of age:
•4 weeks ending March 19, 2011: 37 deaths (average 9.25 per week)
•10 weeks ending May 28, 2011: 125 deaths (average 12.50 per week)
This amounts to an increase of 35 percent
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Tacoma, everyone here has been warning each other that there was, or was going to be, a meltdown and perhaps melt-through beyond the last barriers. The criticism of your “theory” is that you were claiming horrific disaster around the world on the level of an ELE event, with more than half of humanity being killed by the fallout.
That hasn’t even come close to happening, nor will it. It’s always best to acknowledge truthfully when one’s predictions don’t come true. For example, I thought at the beginning that a true China Syndrome event would happen within a week, and that Tokyo would need to be evacuated, and yet I was simply wrong. It hasn’t been as bad as I predicted, though certainly it’s still possible for it to get that bad.
They’re still not admitting that the blobs have melted through the final barriers, and there aren’t any huge steam explosions, so maybe they’re right for the time being.
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“They’re still not admitting…”
AND YOU RELY ON THAT?? LOL WANNA BUY A BRIDGE?
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I already replied to this…
but once again…
we will just have to see how wrong I am…
Until then your wasting both of our time.
Abet is a bet is a bet is a bet.
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“It hasn’t been as bad as I predicted”.
I can’t imagine it being any worse than it is. Well, that gamma ray burst that wipes the atmosphere off earth hasn’t come yet.
Godzilla – I suggest you take a class on PR spin before you try to execute it.
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I suggest that you take a few basic science classes, James, not to mention developing critical thinking skills. You can’t imagine it being worse? Really? Are you vomiting and dying of radiation poisoning?
Also, Radegan appears to be hallucinating words that I didn’t write.
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“They’re still not admitting that the blobs have melted through the final barriers, and there aren’t any huge steam explosions, so maybe they’re right for the time being.”
Count back 4 posts – this paragraph is copied from your post.
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Now you Boys just knock it OFF back there,
Or
I’ll turn this Car around right Now!
and you can just forget about Disneyland!
So There!
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SMOKE TIME
Looks like #4 is “breathing” again.
Someone take a look and give me your best guess:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
Rather vigorous-looking smoke activity.
11:36 PDT (West Coast, Canada)
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What would it take to put up a Chat window on this site?
Mainly to cover real-time events, like the plume of smoke coming out of Reactor 4 right now.
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HEALTH CANADA TRAVEL ADVISORY
Note: They should have this at a Level 4. Health Canada and the EPA both seem committed to reckless endangerment and purposeful poisoning. Surprising, they’re pretty quick on the draw when it comes to smoking and overweight kids, for example, but worldwide radioactive fallout doesn’t seem to get them going.
Maybe they’re having trouble finding the number 4 on the keyboard? (It’s right below the dollar sign – so perhaps the key is worn out).[cynicism]
Level 1 Practise Usual Precautions
Level 2 Practise Special Precautions
Level 3 Avoid Non-Essential Travel
Level 4 Avoid All Travel
Notices remain in effect until removed
Date Location Travel Health Notice Level
June 09, 2011 Europe E. coli Outbreak in Europe 2
June 03, 2011 Global Dengue Fever: Global Update 1
June 01, 2011 Global Polio: Global Update 1
May 11, 2011 Global Measles: Global Update 1
April 21, 2011 Global World Malaria Day – Malaria Risk for Travellers 1
April 20, 2011 Global Yellow Fever: Global Update 1
April 14, 2011 Global Avian Influenza: Global Update 1
April 08, 2011 Japan Nuclear Emergency in Japan 2
December 31, 2010 Africa Meningococcal Disease in Africa 1
December 08, 2010 Dominican Republic Cholera in Dominican Republic 2
December 08, 2010 Haiti Cholera Outbreak in Haiti 2
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Folks, and especially Tacomagroove (Emmy), I’ve certainly meant no disrespect at any point. I don’t know you, or your backgrounds, or your education at all, it’s clear. Like you, I am trying to figure out, through all the lies and deception that we’ve been handed, just what has happened and what is likely to happen in the future. How bad will it get? I have children, including one on the way.
I am a physicist with, well, a few decades of experience in relevant areas. I’ve not worked with nuclear reactors, but certainly with radioisotopes. Enough to have a healthy respect for the dangers Japan and the rest of the world faces.
And I have been researching this particular disaster from the beginning. We can all agree the corium fell to the bottom of the containment, and the containment is leaky in all three reactors. The corium is/was drilling down. We await further revelations…but dramatic fissioning is extremely unlikely, if not impossible.
Lately I have been trying to ascertain the true state of Unit 3: did both the top of the concrete containment structure blow off, *and* the top of the RPV? We are pointedly not being shown any photos or videos which answers this, and TEPCO and a lot of others certainly know. Just tell us – we can handle the truth.
Until then we are left with a lot of “ifs”. If the top of the RPV came off in the explosion and a good fraction of the core was ejected in the plume, then the possibility of widespread airborne micron-sized particles containing plutonium is real. The consequences of that are extremely serious for the Japanese, for all the reasons stated repeatedly at this site.
There is a video of Unit 3′s spent fuel pool taken when they sampled the water from the Putzmeister crane, and it shows water, anyway, with a whole lot of debris. Amazing it survived the blast. Now show us the video of the rest of the upper part of the unit!
Unit 4 is boiling away its cooling water merrily…
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Hey Prof, if You’re looking for pictures of unit 3′s RPV without lid/cap, take a look at this document. The author examines some drone pics, and I found it quite…well…have a look.
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/55934120
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Wow, thanks! That’s the most compelling photo analysis I’ve seen yet.
TEPCO: just show us the fucking photos of the remains of reactor 3! We can handle it!
The thing that still bugs me is that there is no reactor-cap (two meter thick concrete half disks, then the big steel cap) hole in the roof beams, smack in the center of the roof where one would expect it.
The explosion was lateral then vertical if you watch the video (over and over as we all have). So I don’t know. If they’s just show us the interior of the top of the building we’d know.
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“Until then we are left with a lot of “ifs”. If the top of the RPV came off in the explosion and a good fraction of the core was ejected in the plume, then the possibility of widespread airborne micron-sized particles containing plutonium is real.”
Plutonium has been found all over the place, but I don’t think as far as greater Tokyo (I might be wrong on the distance, we’ve had several articles about that). As far as I know, the wind pushed most of it out to sea.
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Unit 4 is boiling away its cooling water merrily. That is what you get from 1.5 megawatts of heat. That’s how they are cooling a thousand tons of partly damaged spent fuel. It is no surprise that we see vapor regularly. Only if all the water in the pool drains out will we see a major event there. I hope we don’t.
Should we prepare in the US? I am putting my faith in the Berkeley folks, who have done a really great job with their monitoring. They have a world-class low-background counting facility under the hill at LBNL, and they’ve put all their numbers out there in public. I think they are doing an honest job, despite goofy statements about airplane flights and the like. In late March and April, they saw detectable levels in air, water, milk, and the food chain but now it’s undetectable. I am eating the local strawberries in California, anyway. But the deposits of Cs 134 and Cs 137 we got in the US will be with us for a while, and monitoring should continue. We all need to demand this of our government!
Whatever the human toll is from this disaster here in the US, it’s orders of magnitude worse in Japan. And it’s much harder to tell how bad it is, or will be, without much better monitoring programs. But that hundreds of thousands of people are removed from their homes and communities is indication enough of the level of seriousness there. It’s impossible to contemplate this without one’s heart sinking.
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Greetings, everyone!
Maybe this has been asked and answered before so please excuse me if that’s the case…
Why can’t they just pump wet sand over the broken reactor things? The first few truckloads of sand would presumably melt and turn into molten glass, but as you add more and more wet sand it would at least congeal into a solid, become at least a better radiation shield and heat sink after a while…wouldn’t it?
Just wondering….what the hell is taking them so long? Are they actually trying to fix anything? Is there a plan?
Last night on FukuCam I saw them spraying the green stuff (Zeolite?) at the nearby bushes. Previous to that episode a crane was squirting something into R1 which now has a slight beige tint and a new hole it on the near side.
Is there a site where you can get direct updates from Tepco?
For example we’d like to know how the workers are holding up physically. Have any of them suffered ill effects?
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