Nuclear Investigator: Worry over underground explosions at Fukushima — New data shows molten fuel is “dropping lower each day”, melting deeper into ground below plant — Disaster far worse than public being told — “Why aren’t we reading about this everywhere?”

Published: March 20th, 2017 at 3:28 pm ET
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Excerpts from a column by Robert Cringely (Cringely is a best-selling author and his work has appeared in The New York Times, Newsweek, and Forbes. He wrote in 2009 that “there is a place for nuclear power in our energy future”.), Feb 17, 2017 (emphasis added):

  • Here’s why I am writing about this subject and why you should take me seriously. Back in 1979 I was hired by the White House to help investigate the nuclear accident at Three Mile Island. My friend Robert Bishop, whom I consulted for this column, was the only American at Chernobyl.
  • I wrote… that the [Fukushima] accident was far worse than the public was being told and that it would take many decades — if ever — for the site to recover.
  • Well it’s six years later and, if anything, the Fukushima situation is even worse. Far from being over, the nuclear meltdown is continuing, the public health nightmare increasing. Why aren’t we reading about this everywhere?
  • The most recent evidence… means is there’s a puddle of molten uranium that has melted its way through the steel pressure vessel, through the reinforced concrete containment, through the reinforced concrete foundation of the nuclear facility, and is now working its way through whatever rock or soil lies underneath the foundation, dropping lower each day… If the molten uranium hits an underground aquifer, such a spread could get even worse.
  • There is no solution… but there are a few things that can be done to mitigate this crisis, with the main one being what’s being called an ice wall… The point of the ice wall is to contain the poison while also minimizing incursion of water. Starve the puddle of water, the idea goes, and just let the uranium do its thing… water is bad because the uranium’s heat will turn it into hydrogen and oxygen which will then explode. Why worry about such subterranean explosions? Think of it as fracking. Just as fracking uses explosions to release trapped natural gas, Fukushima-style fracking will fill the fractured rocks and their entrapped water with radioactivity. Here’s the important bit: These new radiation numbers show the uranium puddle is on the move, downward — ever downward. To be even minimally effective the ice wall has to go preferably deeper than the puddle. While the ice wall technique has been well publicized, its required depth hasn’t been. I’ll guarantee you right here that the ice wall doesn’t go deeper — not even close — because that would cost more than the Japanese utility and government are willing to pay. I’ll also guarantee you that 99.9 percent of the Japanese population doesn’t understand this danger.

See also: Nuclear official warns of explosions at Fukushima plant — Gases accumulating in sediment underneath highly contaminated water — Spark caused by static electricity could ignite hydrogen blast

Published: March 20th, 2017 at 3:28 pm ET
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106 comments to Nuclear Investigator: Worry over underground explosions at Fukushima — New data shows molten fuel is “dropping lower each day”, melting deeper into ground below plant — Disaster far worse than public being told — “Why aren’t we reading about this everywhere?”

  • Gasser Gasser

    The depth of the dodo gets deeper…deep in dodo we are…radioactive shit is happening.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Undergroundcphreatic explosions, like magma hitting water underground. Worst-case scenario.

      Feels like the, "told you so," is happening.

      Phyrric victory.

      Do you remember Nuckelvhen's videos documenting this, and Majia's comments? We were warned about this.

      This is the worst case scenario, in some ways worse than another earthquake hitting the plant. It has the potential to make the entire curium and possibly a great deal of the spent fuel go up, vaporized, all at once.

      Will try to link to Nuckelchen's videos, Majia's comments if They can be found.

      This is grim news indeed.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        The explosions may be small now, but there is potential for a larger explosion.

        Nuckelchen documented steam issuing from cracks in the ground, all around the reactors, in 2012 or 2013. That was when the every nighttime light shows began, with aurora-like colors.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    I dont buy this story. The high radiation recently measured is not an increase (that this author says proves the corium is going deeper) but was that radioactive since the beginning. It proves only that they pointed their camera on some corium splattered on the pedestal wall. The rest of the article is a non sequitur. IF the corium burned through the concrete to earth its ALREADY in the aquifer. And anyway, a good deal of that aquifer is flowing through the broken reactor buildings. I call BS on this one


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Sounds like they need to find the coriums to prove him wrong…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I'm pretty sure every person on this planet, if aware, wants very much that those coriums are sitting on the floor of some sort of containment…


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  • Jebus Jebus

    When an uncowardly little robot finally manages to survive to scrabble downward and point it's tiny laser beam at the corium, and the crowd goes wild, I'm going to consider them gone…


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    author Cringely is clearly not using the scientific method. Let me describe the Fukushima problem with the rigor of current scientific method; The scientific reason the corium is not in the containment is because the support structure is no longer holding it in place. The reason the structural support is no longer holding the corium is because it is no longer there. And the reason the structure is no longer there is because global warming did something to it. Anyone thinking otherwise is a fool, a denialist and a conspiracy theory kook. Any questions?


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    • AirSepTech AirSepTech

      Possibly the Russians. Leave no stone unturned.


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Youre absolutely right AirSepTech. In fact all of the worlds problems have been pinned down to the following causes; Evil communist countries; 80%. Terrorists 97%. Carbon dioxide 99%, domestic gun ownership 57%, a slowdown in economic growth 27%

        on the other hand, nuclear is helping everything by a good 58%, military expenditure is boosting the economy and securing national interests, population growth and immigration helps the labor force, domestic spying keeps terrorism in check and basically the only thing we have to pay attention to is football


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      • IT was the Muslims.. everything is their fault. Trump knows the truth, just follow him, unconditional and believe EVERYTHING he says, including Obama has no birth certificate, he won the majority vote in election, because 3 million illegals voted and Obama wiretapped Trump towers.

        He knows the real enemy and it is anyone with a different color skin.

        Trump knows that the nuclear industry is our best friend and deserves avalanches of taxpayer money, all for FREE.

        Never mind about the corium fissioning toxic poisons into the Pacific non stop.

        Got to build dem WALLS and build up the MILITARY, and be vary vary vary afeared of dem big, bag tewwoorrrists.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I should email TEPCO and let them know to start with longer cords on the robots…


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    corium found

    see pages 41, 45 and 48
    https://issuu.com/simplyinfo.org/docs/simplyinfo_org_decay_heat_2016

    in the case of unit three, the melt down was a hellish cauldron of white hot heavy metal super poison which melted and ripped off the surface of the metal containment and thoroughly melted the fuel, the cladding and the containment surface, which spewed out of the lid at jet engine speed, exploding the two pools and much of their contents into a fine powder smaller than your red blood cells. This corium was found all over the ground, in air filters in Tokyo and mixed with a kind of black mold which has a melanin that allows the stuff to feed directly off of nuclear radiation. This extremely fine powder was blown all the way around the globe in a wave which maxima was measured every 40 days or so, and rained down lethal hot particles, forever downgrading the health of all organisms on the planet, except the black mold. So theres some of the corium, and you can find it in your lungs


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Nuclear Life is Null.

    Because Life Multiplies and Nuclear Divides…


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  • Sol Man

    As time passes, this meltout will be forgotten and everybody will just have a good laugh retelling the story as it passes to myth.

    NOT, except for the brain dead.


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  • razzz razzz

    This Robert Cringely column is what passes for writing and reporting? More like a drama queen without fact checking but better than nothing so the main stream media readers might have a topic of discussion for a few days. (column is a month old)


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  • razzz razzz

    Old accounts of the Daiichi disaster are an interesting read even with outdated facts written by nuclear apologists. This one was done by someone in the industry.

    'The Fukushima Accident'
    "(The following summation has been taken from the handwritten Fukushima Daiichi staff records compiled during the accident’s progression, key post-accident testimonies made before Japan’s congress (Diet), and supplemented with some information from my Fukushima Accident Updates blog)…"
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Blame it on the mushrooms (spores), man..
    Might we talk about cesium uptake in rice and other vegetation and pollen now?
    Is it any wonder the boars are becoming radioactive?

    SIX YEARS AFTER: Wild mushrooms to blame for the spread of cesium in Fukushima
    March 20 2017

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201703210001.html

    Let's talk ..bioaccumulation.


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  • Do you Think The "Nuclear Problem" Can Be Solved Without First Solving the Problem of A Corrupt Government Fueled By The Super Rich
    https://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2017/03/do-you-think-nuclear-problem-can-be.html

    The answer is no. Even economics can kill civilian nuclear power. The sociopaths that be just love the power they receive from "You can't prove that nuclear is the thing that killed your baby". They corrupt the governments and regulators, such as in new York, and they fleece the rapepayers by $8B just to hand it to the dying industry.

    This story of the "Deep State" is going viral, with the "fringe", the red pill takers. Lot's Wife says Sibel is heading up a new org with a mission of exposing the rot at the top. If you see the same mess, you'll be impressed with her command of the challenge. She has seen it up close. The boot of repression has been on her throat for daring to tell the truth. If you don't know her story, you should. She points to an infection that needs a lot of sunshine. Sibel is one of the brightest lights around. This video is 80 min. Excellent quality. She speaks directly to the camera, w/ clarity; dense with detail; no repetition. If you are new to Sibel, enjoy the ride.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Sibel claims the FBI knew of the World Trade Center planned attack months away and the terrorists were in place. She stated, 'There was general information about the time-frame, about methods to be used but not specifically about how they would be used and about people being in place and who was ordering these sorts of terror attacks.' Also that the CIA was engaged with Al Qaeda.

      You may be surprised that the official explanation of the world trade center destruction is that EVEN THOUGH 90% of the structure remained intact, and there was NOT evidence of melting of structural support, the building SPONTANEOUSLY exploded into fine powder in a 'progressive collapse'. I kid you not. Anyone, and I include children and uneducated, should be able to see from this photo, it is NOT normal for things to spontaneously explode into powder
      https://i0.wp.com/cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/s_a29_90105585-930×801.jpeg


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      • Code, you saw my work on the USGS debris sampling after 911 and the very high amounts of radioactivity, like 200 times normal.

        I was never a believer, until I got that data. it was both a terrorist attack, and a controlled demolition. Fuck them and the horses of the Apocalypse they wish to conjure up.


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        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          yes stock, but isnt it embarrassing you couldnt tell just by the visuals? I think the photo should be a pass/no pass exam for engineers.
          There are now 2,826 architects and engineers who have signed the petition to re examine the event. The rest should not be trusted to design a bridge


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          • I didn't check the photos much, so not embarrassed.

            But after the USGS gamma spect results, I watched about 100 videos…yes indeed, airplanes did fly into those buildings.

            The plane that went down in Pa or whatever, a good friends daughter was on that plane. She was a physically and everything else beautiful person. He was never the same. I haven't told him it was murder.


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            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              so sorry about your friend and loss of his daughter.
              The WTC structure consisted of a strong spine of 44 columns with a rib cage on the outside of the building somewhat like a chain link fence. You can cut out large parts of such a structure without failure, and the redistribution of forces was intentionally designed into it. Official opinion is that only three or four of the core columns were severed, and less than 15% of the outer cage. But, one does not need to know any of that to see the entirely unnatural explosion into plumes of powder that shoot upward.

              The point was well made; how can the nuclear problem (or any other) be solved with a corrupt government?

              We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men…. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


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              • DUDe DUDe

                "..The point was well made; how can the nuclear problem (or any other) be solved with a corrupt government?.."

                Amen Code..and to seal our fate even more..the corrupt government..or should i say the synergy of corrupt governments doing nothing but their own bubble balance dance under regie of the elite..how can it be solved by an over the top monitored and controlled , indolent , ignorant aka dumbed-down , coward , addicted population molded like that by the same regie..

                And without that critical mass amongst the population needed..the only other option or chance would be individuals with mythical superpowers that do not exist..

                Rest assure that if such powers would exist and somehow i could be in control of them..first thing i would do is instantly vaporize everybody owning more then 20 million dollars and still be ruthlessly chasing more at the expense of everybody else on this planet..lobbying for taxcuts for the rich..infinite economic growth/infinite debt based economic model parasites etc

                Then i would get to work to write some algoritmes/criteria to define the rest of the mass that is nothing but concentrated evil..but less selfaware about it..see if they can change , they can live..but the bottomline would be the survival of humanity by survival of the planet..longterm..and it aint the un-accountable top-parasites that deserve to be amongst the genepool to continue..

                But alas..seems like we are stuck in the first description for real..


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            • SadieDog

              There was NO plane in PA. So…


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  • earthsmith earthsmith

    Folks just need to stop magnifying the situation with all this accumulated fake news it's really harmful. I mean dude is a best selling author, Forbes and all.
    Fuck this dumb fuck world.
    Has been a worst case scenario since 3/11/11 and it's not going away.
    Yeah y'all are right Russia did it.


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  • David169

    I am at a loss because of very little knowledge of the mechanics of the actual fission going on at Fukushima. I sent 28 years in drilling and blasting for mining and construction. I believe the people in charge need to start thinking out of the box to contain the catastrophe or the situation will continue to deteriorate.I don't understand why an ice wall was used when HD sheet piling can be driven to great depths. Secondly if an electronic lens is made for a scintillator they can be very directional and pinpoint something releasing so much energy. If the corium is below the facility it can be triangulated giving the position and depth. If there is a metal that would alloy with the corium to dilute it to where it would cool off that could be finely ground and pumped in a slurry through a diagonal hole underneath the corium. If it can be cooled down and diluted enough to stop the fission robots could remove it.


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  • pure water

    I have only one thing to ask – what makes this best selling expert speak NOW? We have seen a lot of fumes, and glowing ocean, and warming ocean, radiation monitors go crazy or register nothing for a while. All these things went barely noticed by few. Is there something, that can not be hidden from TV and telephone mesmerized public? Are so called "leaders" changing the policy, or the coriums may present their existence in a new frightening way?


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  • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

    “Why aren’t we reading about this everywhere?”

    Because, maybe posting just on ENEnews isn't super effective (that is of course some rhetoric, but you know what I mean).

    In unrelated news, I'm in a good mood. David Rockefeller is dead and "my" dog survived after almost dying again.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    China had crisis similar to one at Fukushima, but averted disaster

    BEIJING–A top Chinese official's recent disclosure about how a nuclear disaster was averted after an earthquake nine years ago is a worrisome insight into Beijing's readiness to be upfront about its nuclear industry.

    Appearing on state radio in mid-February, Wang Yiren, vice chairman of the China Atomic Energy Authority, said, "During the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, a situation arose similar to what happened in Fukushima after the Great East Japan Earthquake."

    Wang added that quick action by plant workers headed off a catastrophe like the one at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in March 2011.

    While his comments appeared designed to highlight the safety of Chinese nuclear plants, nothing was ever mentioned about a possible crisis after the magnitude-7.9 quake struck in May 2008, killing about 87,000 people.

    Wang also pointed out the differences with the Fukushima nuclear accident and said, "Measures to deal with tsunami there were insufficient."

    Wang, emphasizing the safety of Chinese nuclear plants, said that in the event of an earthquake automatic cooling systems that have been installed at nuclear plants now operating would kick in.

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201703210050.html

    Just a matter of time…


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    • DUDe DUDe

      "..Just a matter of time…."

      "..No matter what it takes..i WILL win the race for that planetairy Darwin Award !!!.." says our combined global leaders with different disconnecting reality from its actions religious/economic bullshit orientations..and the cattle..full of tumors old and new continued chewing GMO's with a glazed stare in the distance..readying itself to be made "Great Again"..as if it ever was..or ever could be..


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  • SadieDog

    "Radioactive cesium released after the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant's triple meltdown in 2011 is continuing to contaminate the environment through wild mushrooms, scientists say.

    It turns out that the fungi absorb cesium and then release it through their spores after concentrating it.

    But the amount of cesium in the environment is miniscule and poses no threat to human health, say the researchers, who are primarily with the Meteorological Research Institute of the Japan Meteorological Agency, Ibaraki University and Kanazawa University."

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201703210001.html


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    • Farthington MacMananus Farthington MacMananus

      Hey, I could link you to some information about that in somewhat unrelated previous posts here on enenews, but more saliently, I could link you to much earlier information regarding that. But would you even consider it?

      Been trying to warn people, they don't care, scapegoating is what they try, instead. Many promoted fungi are mimic energy harvesters and/or systemic hijackers. I don't trust fungi that aren't antibacterial, antiviral and pathogenic towards most other fungi.

      "Then, from the dark, a small glimmering light did appear. With the trembling wings of a butterfly, it shone a light into my night. A halo of childish hope, reaching from somewhere, long since gone. I held my breath and it landed on my arm and asked "Is there anything still worth reaching for?". And my heart said no. "Any light or goodness within you holding on to?" and my heart said no. I closed my eyes, got on my weak knees and breathed in the dark glow. As her wings turn to ashes, from ashes to a black moth, I heard the sirens and the screaming of the iron. And my heart…still…said NO."


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  • PhilipUpNorth

    CodeShutdown in the above post on MARCH 20, 2017 AT 4:17 PM is correct.
    This article is not very well researched, is innacurate about increasing radiation, and contains no new info.


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