Top Russian Nuclear Official: Fukushima catastrophe matched our worst-case scenario — U.S. Gov’t Email: Radiation release thought to be 500 times higher than we calculated

Published: January 2nd, 2014 at 9:39 pm ET
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U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (pdf), March 14, 2011: From Randy Sullivan — Thumbnail analysis of direct exposure rate reading on the Regan Aircraft Carrier. This is only an order of magnitude analysis, based on very limited data and calculation, but it seems to indicate an important consistency. NRC performed a Rascal calculation for 40% core damage (melt) and design leakage (1%). NARAC indicated they thought our calculation was a factor of 500 low based on a 0.6 mrem/hr reading on the aircraft carrier about 100 nautical miles away.

Vladimir Asmolov, Deputy Chief Executive Officer of Rosenergoatom (Russia’s state owned nuclear power operator), Jan. 1, 2014: “A huge wave flooded the area for just ten minutes, and the [Fukushima Daiichi] plant was not ready for that. The worst happened later. We modelled the meltdown based on the worst-case scenario, and our assessment turned out to be accurate. The staff did nothing to prevent the catastrophe. [...] The main story has been established. [...] the overheated reactors cracked and released radioactive waste into the environment.”

See also: Russian Study: Fukushima released 100 quadrillion becquerels of cesium into atmosphere... In just ONE day -- About equal to Chernobyl's total release

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102 comments to Top Russian Nuclear Official: Fukushima catastrophe matched our worst-case scenario — U.S. Gov’t Email: Radiation release thought to be 500 times higher than we calculated

  • harengus_acidophilus

    Facing the truth:

    "We modelled the meltdown based on the worst-case scenario,
    and our assessment turned out to be accurate."

    We have 400+ of these death machines.

    "Faites votrez jeux – rien ne va plus!"

    h.


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  • Lion76 Lion76

    and America has decided to forge full steam ahead on its nuclear suicide mission.


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  • dka

    who is next to play the Fukushima roulette?


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  • Socrates

    The day has come when we can trust the Russians to tell the truth about Fukushima while our own government lies to us.

    We are down wind and down current from Fukushima. We put the Daiichi peaceful atomic energy plan in place to keep Japan from attacking the Dutch West Indies for oil. Corners were cut on safety and risks were taken.

    I always wondered why Commodore Perry "OPENED" Japan. Too bad he can't close it.

    Ironies abound.


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    • Unfortunately the Russians are not entirely truthful.

      The article starts with this passage:

      "The past year was in many ways pivotal for Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant after it was struck in 2011 by the second biggest nuclear catastrophe since Chernobyl."

      Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_01_01/Fukushima-disaster-staff-did-nothing-to-prevent-nuclear-catastrophe-9891/

      "Now why would the Russians say that?

      Fukushima has FAR more than 3 Chernobyls of inventory. It is ALL going to end up circulating the earth in the atmosphere, soil, water, flora and fauna.

      I just hope the process doesn't accelerate. I cannot tell if that is occurring right now.

      TBS cam was up today. I've some good screen shots of extreme pixilation, but I am concerned the feed may be a loop. I'll have to compare screen shots carefully.

      One thing that has me worried is the amplification of the propagandists. I'm seeing a lot of suspicious comments across many websites. In many cases the commentators are unusually articulate and opinionated but the pattern of their comments suggests ulterior motives. I think the target audience for these agents is the causal reader who comes across the story.

      The silence about Fukushima is definitely breaking. Consequently, there will be renewed and more sophisticated efforts to engineer public 'opinion' about the disaster (a la E. Bernays).

      Debate is good and should be encouraged, but beware of source intent and…


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      • Socrates

        True.

        Governments engage in propaganda with their own citizens and as against rival countries' citizens, too. Industry has its agenda.

        The Russians dump much nuclear waste.

        Thanks. I will weigh the sources more carefully and watch for trolls as the bad news finally emerges. Russia is the pot calling the kettle black here. Just 'cuz the kettle is black…. still, beware!


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    • Ontological Ontological

      That day came a while ago when Russia started warning the USA about MtDNA damage in the soil, that could eventually break down the ability for a seed to sprout. FUFU has been a subject of the same dire reports on long termed effect of ignoring what our abuse of Nature is actually doing to the planet.
      But then look who is talking; "Scuttle a few more nuclear subs on that classified Artic Ocean heap of them General". "Yes Sir!". Orders are a bit tough to tackle sometimes. Takes a truly empty and evil mind to think about doing things like that and then in blatant disregard of life to actually give the order, is anything but honorable.
      Blame if any must be passed along is on any people that have so irresponsibly allowed money to influence their caring about things like the future generations of the Human race, and preserving the natural systems of Earth that sustains our lives.


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  • OldFool

    How about admitting this to the poor simple-minded peasants? But this is a feudal society in reality, so no warnings for them. Keep slopping the hogs for putting pork on the lord and lady's table in the manor. Only the rich and powerful will get any real info, since we have the best government that money can buy. Will Rogers said that about a hundred years ago. Still true.


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  • dka

    0.6 mrem/hr

    That's not the result of the measurement when the plum was crossing the ship? What matters is the rem/hr when the plum was all around the ship, crossing it, with the strange snow flakes also falling on the radiation measurement tool.


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  • dka

    0.6 mrem/hr ?

    That's not the result of the measurement when the plum was crossing the ship? What matters is the rem/hr when the plum was all around the ship, crossing it, with the strange snow flakes also falling on the radiation measurement tool.


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  • hexagon

    "But the main cause of the disaster was a human error and the violation of cornerstone safety regulations that are observed globally."

    http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_01_01/Fukushima-disaster-staff-did-nothing-to-prevent-nuclear-catastrophe-9891/

    GE, Japan and Tepco are off the hook. It was the workers fault.


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    • Socrates

      "The staff did nothing to prevent the catastrophe…"


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    • socref

      The main cause of the disaster was the same as the cause of 20,000 deaths. A very large tidal wave. Nevertheless putting the diesel generators where they could flood was not smart.


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      • Jebus

        No, the main cause of the disaster was the hubris of the nuclear industry and a 9.0 earthquake which broke the cooling system piping and set reactor one into meltdown before the tsunami hit.
        Do you really believe that all those control rods scrammed upwards in a 9.0 earthquake?


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      • There is a difference between "natural disaster" and Disaster.

        The tsunami was a Natural disaster.

        This Disaster is something else entirely.


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      • razzz razzz

        socref: I don't blame you for not be able to comprehend the gravity of the situation. A rouge wave being responsible for fuel melting through 3 reactors then explosions in 4 buildings hardly explains what happened at the site and the surrounding countryside. Surely there was a simple fix to all this at the time. Are they still trying to reset GPS positioning (veritcal and horizontal) for all the remaining reactors because the island moved so much during the Great Quake?

        Then the money, 74 billion is more like 1 trillion and climbing everyday. Damage, cleanup, lost revenues and economies, health concerns will really begin to show up after 3 years if you don't consider 50% in local kid's thyroids a problem already.

        I want to read how you (socref) deal with 3 uncontained melts. Make it go away and be all better.


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        • socref

          I understand the gravity of the situation razz. A 50 ft tidal wave that killed 20,000 and waylaying the countryside to waste has a lot to do with everything that happened there. The evacuation and egress routes were washed away. Kids crossing bridges were washed away. There should be a simple fix, but we live in a modern world and any "fix" has an impact on the total equation. Just look at Japan and how they are killing many many more through increased pollution from increased fossil fuels. Just this week 2 million have died in 2013 due to pollution from fossil fuels alone.


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      • The earthquake was the main cause, not the tsunami.


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        • razzz razzz

          The nuclear industry desperately wants the tsunami to be the root cause of the Daiichi disaster. Building higher seawalls or building on higher ground is easier. Transmission towers are not built to fall over like at Daiichi. Any NP that can withstand intense shaking for 5 minutes during an quake with pool water sloshing out and pipes separating from there supports and foundations cracking, without releasing fallout, doesn't exist yet.

          Designing for 8.0+ quakes is very expensive and of little insurance with Mark 1 or higher designs where the containment is admittedly undersized to begin with and in the US there are already 20+ older Mark I+ plants that are to expensive to upgrade for safety if they go with larger earthquakes parameters that are now possible than when originally specified. They fight even to add hardened vent pipes to existing plants. Could at least chop a hole in the roof, would do as much good.

          Nuclear power plants are already at a disadvantage with current costs to operate compared to conventional plants and that is not counting decommissioning and future spent fuel storage costs. Besides, once they SCRAM, they have to draw power back from the grid to run water pumps to keep the fuel cool. The same grid that they were feeding into.

          Public safety is really not the issue or nuke plants would never have been built to begin with. Greed is the issue.


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          • Socrates

            Good summary, Razzz.

            Isn't it interesting that the nuclear industry needs to keep repeating the same monotonous "talking points" for three years.

            The arsonist blames the drought when he sets multiple forest fires because firefighters could not possible drown out the flames. The arsonist covers his tracks and moves on the search out other things to burn, all to his delight, without the slightest bit of remorse.


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          • nedlifromvermont

            great post Razz and good point Socrates!!

            Nuclear power would never have had the chance to be faux-competitive with coal, if the government hadn't stepped in with the liability insurance subsidy via Price-Anderson law … and don't forget: the US government has run the enrichment plants for fuel for use in light water reactors since the Manhattan District wartime kickoff … and they enrich the fuel for the reactors at break-even cost, without any overhead added … so here is another government abomination "gift" to the nuclear power industry …

            US Government is complicit up to its eyeballs in this Death Industry.

            What part of Government Boondoggle do the sick nuclearists not understand?

            US Government force fed this industry to the States, Japan and the rest of the world …

            USA: keeping the world safe for nuclear power, which plans to kill it indiscriminately …

            Hitler would have been a better bet than Leslie Groves and Lewis Strauss handing the reins to Big Uranium nut-jobs at GE and Westinghouse.

            I've only recently come to this conclusion.

            Time to re-fight the Second World War …

            peace …


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        • socref

          Without the earthquake there would have been no tsunami. But can we get past this bifurcation since the earthquake was a "beyond design basis" event in of itself. Structures are built to withstand a natural phenomena event up to a limit. If that limit is exceeded then we are flying without a net sort of speak. This is why margin is built into design. Engineered structures are not flawless. However they should withstand a reasonable mechanical insult.


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        • irhologram

          I posted that Arnie said on C2C that the EQ was a 5 on land and a 7 at sea. No one picked up on this. No one commented or researched it, as you can, in the Coasttocoastam.com archives. So here we have Arnie saying it wasn't a strong EQ and we have the tsunami footage showing no land damage or the customary 10 minute tsunami alert warning (which WAS in place). What do you DO with that? Is it important to ignore how this happened, based on following the clues (as we always have to do.)?


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      • sworldpeas sworldpeas

        Tepco admits it was the earthquake not the tsunami that caused the disaster. As Arnie said the quake was a 9.0 at the epicenter but only about a 7 at Fukushima. The buildings SHOULD HAVE with stood the damage. Of course the powers that be want you to believe it was the tsunami because if they admit that a 7.0 earthquake destroyed Fukushima than ALL npps around the world would need revamping. It's easier to fool the people and blame the tsunami than it is too retrofit. It is absolutely the worst, most misleading and dangerous lie that has been spread about this disaster. I go into a heat rash when I see this lie repeated over and over. Let's set the record straight: it was a 7.0 earthquake that severely damaged Fukushima npp causing the meltdowns NOT the tsunami.


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        • socref

          I think without the tsunami the diesel generators would have powered the safety systems satisfactory to keep the core covered. This is the 64 million dollar question that will never be answered to anyone's satisfaction. One needs to just look around Japan in the areas where the earthquake was hardest hit to know there were literally no other industrial sites left standing. The earthquake was a big one, the fifth largest on record. Its really the proof that the tsunami was the ultimate culprit since the water killed so many and prevented roads from being used as evacuation routes. Further more, the helicoptering in back up power was hampered by the fact that the roads were all washed away and people just couldnt respond in a timely manner.


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          • sworldpeas sworldpeas

            You're assuming that the generators were still connected and operational after the earthquake. I have not seen any information that even remotely suggests that. If you do please post it I would be very interested to see it.


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          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            @socref…the arguments regarding the generators is mute, they were flooded then corroded by saltwater. In the USA Nuclear plants only have 8 hours of battery life as a back-up and some only 4 hours in order to prevent meltdown.

            Every response you have made is pro-nuclear under the guise of providing a free education in physics. I think it is obvious most contributors to this site are well informed.

            There is so much deceitfulness in the Nuclear Industry because the boys and girls don't want to give up their toys or investments, so excuse me if I am overly suspicious of your true motives. just sayin'


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        • irhologram

          I surely thought Tepco claimed it was tsunami damage, and I heard Arnie say with my own ears that the EQ was probably a 7 at sea and a 5 on land. Did he also say elsewhere that the EQ was a 9? At what point did he switch his story? The C2C interview was a couple of months ago, his most recent, I believe.


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  • kintaman kintaman

    So did I do the right thing uprooting us and leaving Japan after having lived there over a decade and destroying my career and putting my wife through an extremely stressful ordeal? The guilt, mixed feelings, anger, doubt, anxiety have been almost too much these past 3 years. Fuck TEPCO.


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    • Ourself Ourself

      I would say yes, you did the right thing; and yes, fuck tepco.

      I'd rather have a destroyed career than destroyed health. We can find new work, but we can't find a new body.

      What general area did you relocate to?


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      • kintaman kintaman

        Quite right. This is what I always tell myself but it is a hard sell to the wife and extended family as the damage is not yet visible. We will not likely see the impacts of this for at least 5-10 years and beyond.

        We are well within the path of the fallout, along with so many millions, in Eastern North America. My worry and sympathies are now with those immediately in the vicinity of this still ongoing colossal monster of a disaster.


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        • Ourself Ourself

          I see. That must be really tough.

          I'm still trying to persuade my family to stop eating Pacific sea-food. They insist on eating it. My dad will be like "Don't worry, it's from Alaska!" and then I'll pull up an article showing that exact food item from that exact place being contaminated, and he just shrugs it off. I love my family, but they're fucking crazy!

          I live in Maryland, btw.


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          • kintaman kintaman

            I hear you. I have been telling all my family the same, to stay away from all Pacific seafood (I will not eat any seafood anymore) but they all think it is ridiculous. The same goes for most of my friends both here and in Japan.

            I cannot comprehend how otherwise intelligent people cannot see what is happening around us now. It seems like humans, for the most part, cannot accept reality when it is too terrible.


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            • Lion76 Lion76

              my theory is a lot of it comes from hubris/arrogance tied into ego and other fallacy/bias found throughout our culture… it's like the love affair with the "maverick" and that "safe" is soft. Same with the "alpha male" mentality worship.

              A "real man" takes care of his family and that's what you did, and sometimes a real man has to stand on his own two feet when he knows it is best. Good luck my friend.


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            • unobtanium unobtanium

              The main stream media (Ministry of Propaganda) is by far the biggest factor in tainting people's perceptions of reality and reinforcing the normalcy bias so prevalent in western society.

              When CNN or any of the other bought and paid for disseminators omit to report on or downplay this catastrophe, the majority of people take it as the gospel truth.

              Imagine, if you will, how perceptions would change if the MSM lap dogs suddenly started airing reports of radioactive plumes, poisoned oceans, the irradiated west coast and sharp rises in cancers. Overnight there would be a mass exodus from contaminated areas and people would be marching on their respective capitals with pitchforks.

              Alas, I fear that powerful interests will prevent, at all costs, the truth from getting out.

              Of course it will get out eventually when its too difficult to gloss over. Unfortunately, by then it will be too late if it isn't already.


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              • Ourself Ourself

                Absolutely. Remember this?

                "CBS promotes Fukushima-area seafood; Better if it’s allowed to contain more radioactive waste? — CBS email to US Gov’t: The best way for NRC to calm Americans’ nuclear anxiety is to be interviewed by ’60 Minutes’"

                http://enenews.com/cbs-promoting-seafood-from-around-fukushima-cbs-email-best-way-for-nrc-to-calm-americans-down-about-their-nuclear-anxiety-is-to-come-on-60-minutes

                I think denial, as kintaman suggests, and hubris, as Lion76 suggests, are definitely also playing a big part in this, but mainly due to the controlled media. The controlled media encourages those responses in them.


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                • unobtanium unobtanium

                  Yes, that was one of the better straight faced lies.

                  Goebbels would be proud or even a bit jealous that his mass manipulation skills have been eclipsed.


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                • Considering that even Atlantic ocean fish were affected…
                  Does the Fukushima NPP disaster affect the caesium activity of North Atlantic Ocean fish?

                  Abstract. Fillet samples of marine fish collected from the East/West Greenland currents (GC) and from the Baltic Sea (BS) have been investigated by gamma-ray spectrometry within the regular German monitoring programme. In samples of the second half of 2011, 134Cs traces have been detected that are suggested to originate from the Fukushima fallout that was deposited in March/April 2011 over the northern North Atlantic and accumulated by fish. The radionuclide 134Cs (half-life 2 yr) was indeed detected with quite small activities at about 0.0036 Bq kg−1 w.w. Existing box models describing the transport of Cs within seawater boxes of the northeast Atlantic allowed for estimation of 134Cs contributions from other sources, i.e. from the Chernobyl fallout and from discharges by the two major European nuclear reprocessing plants; both were negligible around Greenland, while for the Chernobyl fallout a small 134Cs background contribution to BS fish was estimated. Model results confirmed the level of 134C measured in BS fish and showed its maximum to have occurred in winter 2011/2012/ the Fukushima fallout in these sea areas only marginally enhanced (GC: 4%; BS: 0.1%) pre-Fukushima levels of individual dose rates received by human fish consumers; the addition was around 0.001 μSv following the consumption of 10 kg of fish per year.


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Take it from someone who's lived in Tornado Alley. After a couple of very close calls from tornadoes and being caught out in the open during a moderate hailstorm and getting beat to the point of almost passing out (that's something you'll never forget). You learn to move at the first sign of trouble. And you pack light. Hell, even now 20 years latter when I move I don't fully unpack. I only unpack what I need. Also remember, you're not the only ones. And don't do it for yourselves, do it for your kids. Even if you don't have any, this stuff is bad for the reproduction system. And birth defects can jump a generation based on genetic mutation (see epigentics). Bottom line: If it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap, don't go tasting it too.


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    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Also, there may come a time when they *won't* let you leave.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      Well Kintaman, what you did demonstrates that, you understood the dangers, and knew they were very bad. Getting out was like the old adage in reverse, in your case out of the fire, & into the fry pan, but at least for now your loved ones are protected.


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    • socref

      Why did you let them get to you like that? There are always things in life that we have to either accept or vote with our feet. I think that the more people do this type of thing, it empowers the culprits.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    FACT . . .

    Only way to "not have" meltdowns is to "not have" nuclear reactors.

    Simple as that.

    Any blame on anything else is a complete waste of time.


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    • socref

      Or to have meltdown proof reactors. The thorium liquid fueled reactors seem to fit that bill. But no one but the Chinese seem to want to build them. I think that the Cold War had a lot to do with keeping the current paradigm of nuclear technology. We cant go back and revise history, we can only learn from it. We live in a risk-based world and accept many risks. Just this morning, my daughter told me there was a burning car on the road, and a lady froze to death trying to walk away.


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        meltdown proof reactors? We live in a risky world? With all the risk, man managed a rather long stay on earth. Then in one generation he managed to threaten the entire ecosphere. This risk analysis they throw around is just plain stupid. They did the analysis, assured the public there was no chance anything would go wrong, and now we have multiple tracts of land that are uninhabitable, many nuke plants in bombed out ruin, food contamination making Japanese produce banned from several countries. Well, their risk analysis was wrong then, wasnt it? Funny how common sense is more accurate than an involved and expensive "professional" piece of work isnt it? From mining, to moving, to installing, decommission, storage, human error, Human corruption, natural calamity, terrorism, war…, your safe reactors are in reality mass killing machines. Anyway, they are not needed.


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        Shut them all down….no more nuclear power…..GE, Westinghouse, and Bill Gates will just have to lose his investment….poor little billionaire if he can't get is pet project approved.

        Pandora's Poison
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Od_W4tbDHw
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvUd2IppVEc


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      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        "Or to have meltdown proof reactors. " There is no such thing as a "safe" reactor. Thorium or otherwise. Anyone who says there is must work for the industry and be paid to spout such nonsense. You seem to have a rather high opinion of yourself, based on your comments. You seem to think you have the answers. You are an industry shill. Go peddle your brand of death somewhere else ass-hat.


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  • Socrates

    Still, the design of the reactors was not close to being fool-proof. The reactors and the site itself were designed to fail, and all whistleblowers were persecuted beforehand. It is foreseeable that workers would panic.

    This is why they passed the state secrecy law – to prevent discovery in litigation. Same thing with Bhopal.

    Will the guilty flee the country or get their bonuses?

    Who is to blame about the USS Reagan? 5,000 service persons injured. The ship cost 2.5 billion dollars or more.

    What about North America? Can Corporate America throw that away?

    This is the world's greatest disaster with arrogance at the helm. They cannot print up enough dollars to pay for what they did. Throw ''em in prison to make an example out of them. Next time profit is placed over safety, and every time thereafter, send 'em to prison and make 'em pay. People want justice. Life without justice is meaningless, said Kant.

    If we are not a civilization of laws, we nothing but pigs. A red Li e must be drawn. If not, we are doomed to more Fukushimas, BPs, Exxon Mobils, fracking, endless pollution and death.


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    • flatsville

      Socrates, the new SMRs are being touted as "fool proof." The phrase "plug and play" is being used to mislead consumers and ratepayers as to their user "friendliness."


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      • Socrates

        Next time, it will be different. We learn from our mistakes. You guys are the guinea pigs. You health was damaged by multiple meltdowns and above-ground testing, but it's all good! We had to raise permissible limits and shut down monitoring stations – even hire bloggers as shills and pass a harsh state secrecy law to hide the blame and promote new NPP S and restart old ones. But we can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, so with public relations, lobbying, and campaign contributions we can still get government subsidies and cheap government guaranteed loans. We can control the science through grants. We can claim state secrets.

        These are a few things we can do. The regulation can be vested in international agencies that promote nuclear energy. We can use the revolving door to hire former regulators to work for industry, or appoint industry hacks as secretaries of energy, etc.

        Privatize profits and externalized risks. Pass on losses to taxpayers and utility ratepayers. Minimize exposure to lawsuits for injuries to people who will not get acute radiation poisoning but whose cancers, disease, and genetic mutations will not show up for decades. How can they prove anything? Ha, ha! We rule the world and you have no say.


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      • socref

        I think we should learn what these SMRs are different than the current monolithic Gen 2 and Gen 3 reactor designs. Some are interesting and some are not. The jury is still out on fission as a process, yet we have to be better stewards of this process. I would be willing to accept SMRs if they were both walkaway safe, and somehow recycled the nuclear waste in situ.


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        • flatsville

          >>>willing to accept SMRs if they were both walkaway safe, and somehow recycled the nuclear waste in situ<<<

          I don't believe that either of those things will happen, but they will lie to you and say that both assuredly will.


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        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          @socref
          There is no "safe" nuclear power. We have a planet full of spent fuel. People are sick of idiotic arguments about the "safety" of nuclear generators. TMI, Chernobly, Fukushima, Hanford, Rocky Flats, Yankee, SONG, and on and on……..

          USS Ronald Reagan Sailors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaxCMsdYwcg
          "Within weeks of setting off a geiger counter and scrubbing three layers of skin off his hands and arms, former Navy quartermaster Maurice Enis recalled being pressured to sign away U.S. government liability for any future health problems.

          Enis and about 5,000 fellow sailors aboard the USS Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier had finally left Japan, after 80-some days aiding victims of the March 11, 2011, Fukushima earthquake and tsunami, and were about to take a long-awaited port call in Thailand."
          Shut them all down….no more nuclear power…..GE, Westinghouse… and of Bill Gates will just have to lose his investment…that poor little billionaire…what a shame if he can't get is pet project approved.

          Pandora's Poison
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Od_W4tbDHw
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvUd2IppVEc


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        • StPaulScout StPaulScout

          "I would be willing to accept "

          You speak for no one but yourself.


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  • Its really sad that the ines level was only 4 at the time the ship arrived. Had the event actually been placed a 7. American intel would have had more time to react to the crisis.

    The real problem is that the teams aboard the regan were sitting downwind taking oceanic and aerial samples. Awaiting communication from the Japanese embassy, and tepco.

    Totally irresponsible, and a failure in emergency policy / procedure. The fact that the japanese and americans then continued to follow a do not ask do not tell policy… Lasting months. That was simply a crime…

    Everyone in america and japan had a direct right to know about the situation as it unfolded. Tragedy, does not replace responsibility.


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    • socref

      Agree we must be responsible at all levels. One thing I noticed when this sequence of events unfolded was the "Fog of War" effect. The situation was very fluid and not alot of people knew what was really going on. We want information instantly in this day and age, and as an impatient society would rather fill in the gaps than make the effort to get the facts as they unfold correct. I agree the emergency response was lacking but the fact that the emergency egress paths were all washed away had a big part in this Fog.


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        actually there was an immediate assembly of the highest levels of intelligence in the U.S. from around the world, as shown in previous posts on this subject. Scientists worked around the clock and supercomputers whizzed. Livermore labs is always up and running on nuclear issues. What they knew and what they know is far greater than what was shared. Instead of getting the USS Ronald Reagan out of the fallout, somewhere along the info and command, this didnt happen. Now instead of admitting the error, and helping the sailors, they threw away their records and block the thing in court. Apologize for them if you want,…


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      • Socrates

        Being responsible means paying compensation to those harmed. The nuclear power industry doesn't want to be THAT responsible. .Am.I right?. If they had tort liability for all damages, bad designs would never have been marketed. This is market discipline at its finest.


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  • Jebus

    Japanese man carried radioactive soil from Fukushima to Ukrainian university

    The radioactive luggage was found at Kyiv's Boryspil Airport, the press service for the Ukrainian State Border Guard Service reported.

    An inspection of the luggage yielded two plastic containers with a mixture of clay and soil weighing a total of 12 grams. The radiation levels in the containers exceeded the acceptable levels more than twice.

    The Japanese man said the mixture of clay and soil was taken on the territory of the Fukushima nuclear power plant during the nuclear disaster. He said he was carrying it to the Zhytomyr National Agroecological University.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/japanese-man-carried-radioactive-soil-from-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-to-ukrainian-university-334561.html


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  • Sickputer

    Vlad of VoR stretches the disaster to fit his assessment of cause and effect:

    "“The staff of this particular NPP had little idea of disaster-management,” Rosenergoatom’s Deputy CEO Vladimir Asmolov said. “We can safely assume the following: the plant survived the earthquake but then a huge wave flooded the area for just ten minutes, and the plant was not ready for that. The worst happened later. We modelled the meltdown based on the worst-case scenario, and our assessment turned out to be accurate. The staff did nothing to prevent the catastrophe. There was another power plant just ten kilometers away. It was also hit by the tsunami wave, but they did not run away and did everything to stop the worst from happening.”

    SP: Lots of tsunami strength differences and topography differences between Fukushima Daichi NPP and Daini NPP that make the last sentence a writer's opinion only.

    Men worked hard at both megaplex plants to shutdown and cool the reactors.

    Did Japanese men run away from their duties at the damaged Daichi facility where your job is your life's sworn duty? I doubt it. Shame on the blamer.


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  • Cooter cooterboy

    Every day I am left speechless with what I read about Fukushima. I know my own government could care less about me and it's citizens. Russia has nothing to gain by publishing what they know and had stepped forward to help with the crisis, only to be turned away by TEPCO and the Japanese gov.

    Only with these small brush strokes of knowledge, can we attempt to see the outline of this painful painting. Fukushima is the enemy and any person or country's help in understanding the whole picture is helpful as we and they are all stakeholders in this.

    Peace,


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  • jackassrig

    "the overheated reactors cracked and released radioactive waste into the environment.” Not melted cracked. Why did it crack because the design metal temperature exceeded about 1000 degF. No stress in the metal at that temperature. GE knew the design metal temperature in the beginning exceeded the allowable stress by the nuclear code. Code bust. Check the steam tables.


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    • Socrates

      Metallurgical engineering is known to very few. Thanks for this insight. At a NPP, all heat – treatment records are required to be kept on site for inspection in the event of metal failure. In the USA, heat – treatment records are kept in a fire – proof safe in triplicate. Metals become embrittled by improper "tempering", so-called hydrogen embrittlement, micro-voids, intra granular cracking, and Radiation – induced embrittlement.

      Reactor vessels must have proper design basis for temperatures and pressures.

      I have conducted failure analysis metallurgical investigations using ANSI standards and scanning electron microscopy on steel alloys. So I understand exactly what the Russians are referring to about their failure analysis of the cores that cracked open rather than having melted.


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      • Socrates

        ANSI standards are available for each alloy. If it is carbon steel, the exact proportions must be known. The blueprints are obtained and stress and heat limits can be calculated using maths. The fracture surface can be examined using a.scanning electron microscope to determine the cause of the failure. Certain garden – variety failure modes are exemplified by the exemplars. Design is another matter.

        The Russians are saying that these cores cracked under the heat because they were improperly designed rather than improperly manufactured. The environment was one of panic but the designs were inadequate. Needless to say, fiber – optic scanning microscopy could not be used in such high radiation zones but temperatures experienced on the instruments, the codes, and the design specs tell the Russians what happened. The cores melted and released their content into the atmosphere. This is where the corium are – in your lungs and strewn around in bigger chunks in a 120 kilometer radius. Some oxidized fuel aerosolized and is transported across the oceans.


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        • weeman

          Does the estimate by the Russians on 20 percent of cores vaporized include what radiological elements were held in suspension during meltdown?
          If 20 percent was vapiourized, how much is clinging to inside of containment vessel, how many tonnes of corium would be required for corium to leave building, would there still be enough corium left to exit building?
          To me there would be a different sound emanating from reactors if it was a melt through or a rupture, we should be listening to audio tapes and reverse engineering accident, is that not what they do for all major accidents and much could be deducted?
          A man of a million questions, if you don't know ask, how else will we get the answers.
          Don't let sleeping dog lie, on both levels.


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        • Shaker1

          The simple normal cycling of these vessels creates stress modes that make them obsolete after a period of time. There are a combination of stress factors involved, mechanical, chemical, thermal. Flooding the vessel in an extreme LOCA event such as this is just such example.

          I'm not party to all information (Who is?) but it's obvious that design in which the control rod mechanism introduces holes in the vessels that are sealed by materials that are in no way able to withstand the heat of a beyond design-basis event kind of makes it a moot point. Unless the embrittlement is really extreme in the vessel itself, there are even beyond those holes other penetrations that are failure points. Any such point failing is a effectively a fail of the vessel. I think that vessel stress and fatigue is more a point that should be taken for these older plants existing now, and it's known they exist while they're 'monitored'. It's my experience (I have constructed pressure vessels.) that it's difficult to choose the exact point at which something is going to happen that isn't good. I've seen some of the crappiest stuff work, and what I considered good work fail.

          Myself, I honestly don't care where these failed, or in what manner. The effect, in my mind, overcomes the cause by exponential magnitudes. And while I think it's obvious that the response during the events was lacking, it bothers me even more that the response afterward has been, in my mind, dismal.


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          • socref

            One of my professors in graduate school explained that the core melt went through the control rod guide tubes located in the bottom of the vessel. So even if the pressure vessel was still in tact, gravity did its thing and the molten mass slumped to the bottom and went through these penetrations.


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            • weeman

              Achilles heal of this design, if this is the point of breech, molten core is at bottom of vessel, pressure inside vessel would propel the corium through breech under pressure, scary stuff.


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              • Shaker1

                I might think that those control rod penetrations were the weak point. I can't personally qualify that, but it seems to have been qualified for decades. One thing is sure, though. It's going to be a long time for anyone to be absolutely sure as one can't approach (literally) this like an airplane accident in which one attempts to reassemble to parts to determine direct cause of failure, and it'll give some disciplines likely lifetimes of subject and purpose to 'earn their bread' that might be better spent onsite. All power to those of those disciplines, I guess, but I never made much money or produced much of anything with speculation after the fact. It's quite bothersome that it doesn't seem that enough are questioning the wisdom of actually extending the lifetimes of flawed engineering just because we can't imagine how such an event could be initiated at those other existing sites. Can one justify lack of such imagination when the stakes are this high?


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              • Socrates

                Arnie said the melt went through the holes in the bottom where the control rods go, too.


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          • weeman

            I would like to thank you shaker1 for all your input, you are most knowledgable.
            It is the same for airplanes and why they have a shelf life off so many cycles off pressurization and flight time, why are nuclear reactors not treated in the same manner?
            Same principles apply.


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      • Cooter cooterboy

        Socrates,
        ANSI is the "bible" for the composition, stress factors, load and rotational engineering parameters that engineers use to meet the specifications set by the designer of, in this case, the core vessel.

        My question is; After doing the math in the design of a vessel, figuring normal operating parameters all the way to catastrophic failure parameters, is there a composite metal that you can pick from the ANSI's handbook to meet the required imposed loads and criterion?

        In other words was the vessel improperly designed? or
        ANSI composite metals book did not contain a suitable material? or
        Did the designer, GE, get the wrong metal for their design? or
        The designed vessel's configuration is wrong? or
        Construction costs trumped the safety factors of all elements?

        5,000 F. degrees of nuclear fuel fission, in direct contact with any metal is impossible to contain. If the vessel could contain it for a short period, then the addition of cold water would "crack" or compromise almost any metal or material.

        The words "continuously cooled" I believe is the catch phrase in the rationalization that unless this parameter is not maintained then the vessel exceeds it's design configuration and fails.

        General Electrics silence on this matter is deafening! Furthermore this puts all nuclear reactors they built as suspect.

        Peace,


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        • weeman

          One of the reactors at Fukushima had a flaw in one of the steel containment vessel and they still installed, I cannot remember if or how they fixed?
          Anne may have the link


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        • Shaker1

          One has to recognize that ANSI is a set of guidelines, and it's the practice in most situations that there is some safety factor using that criteria designed into fabrication. It doesn't rule out mistakes in fabrication and handling. I've seen messes made of material that should in every case reasonably considered not happen. But even at that, it's assumed that good practice is followed at every level. The San Onofre steam generators are an example in which a divider in the new head leaked in one and not in the other due to differences in preparation for welding no one thought at the time was a problem. Fabrications such as these I would imagine have inspection at just about every conceived level, but that is an example in which 'good practice' trumps design. It's simply a known fact (I had a link to a paper in regard to nuke plants) that specifically makes the point that in a beyond design-basis event, none of the engineering can be relied upon as one can't reasonably predict the parameters. How does one design for catastrophe in a situation such as this? It obviously worked to a while, and one could make the point that barring the natural circumstance, would have remained working through its proposed lifetime. I guess I should remark, too, that some design is to obsolescence outside of the cynical 'it was designed to fail.' It doesn't make sense to design and build a part of a system that would live forever when other parts can't possibly be so.


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          • socref

            Actually regulators regulate to ANSI standards. Thus the "guidelines" have now become requirements.


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            • Shaker1

              No, socref, you've got that wrong. It's acceptance of ANSI guidelines that gives them their power. There are no 'ANSI' police out there. They rely upon an agreement between manufacturer and a user. There are all kinds of fabrications out there with materials that might not fall within the parameters of an ANSI spec. One uses materials that fall within certain ANSI specs because of the known performance, not because one 'has to.'


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          • Shaker1

            As to weeman's example, there is another thing that is somewhat assumed, and that is honesty regarding good practice. In my trade one quickly gets the idea that honesty goes hand-in-hand with one's skills. One can think of the inspection processes as only assurances at some point. It becomes obvious when one has two parts that need to fit together and they don't fit, so the fact is that one has to admit that one part was made wrong; one can't lie about it. But in base fabrication, the working of metal with heat and hammers, it's a little more obscure. Slight differences in heat treatment or the prep for heat treatment may not be something an inspector would catch, but could make all the difference in the world. Working a piece of material so that the grain is compromised, like bending a wire over and over almost till it breaks, isn't something that's seen without a microscope and etching, unless one wishes to destroy it. Much of this fabrication happens outside of the inspection process.

            I've mentioned this before, but I bought a book to help me interpret ASME code regarding pressure vessels. The first page of the book was a picture of a shoe factory early in the 20th century. The next page was that same factory, and I might add, a city block, destroyed when its boiler blew. Just rubble. The intent was to emphasize the code's need, but it also impressed me with the honesty that must be inherent when building such potential.


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    • socref

      A BWR operates at 900 psig. When there is a crack in the vessel, the steam isnt superheated but saturated. The steam table says its an "isenthalpic expansion" along the TS diagram, which is the exact phenomena seen across the TMI PORV that was stuck open.


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  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    RT didn't include this in its list of underreported stories in 2013:
    http://rt.com/news/underreported-news-stories-2013-836/

    Several folks pointed out the omission in the comments, glad to say.


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    • bo bo

      WTF …. I feel that chelsea manning needed to be covered much more, of course. But at least the issue was covered daily while on trial.
      Compared to that, Fukushima far surpasses manning in terms of it being underreported.


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  • bo bo

    In terms of Todashev being murdered by FBI – at least his murder did get picked up (even if brushed lightly) – the completely covered up aspect of boston bombings was the fact that uncle Ruslan, the bombers' uncle, was married to a top CIA official's daughter, and operating from his house, funding radical terrorists in the Chechen regions.

    http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/29/uncle-ruslan-aid-to-terrorists-from-cia-officials-home/


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  • Almost accurate.

    "The main story has been established."

    "…the overheated reactors cracked and released radioactive waste into the environment."
    – Asmolov

    Playing this down in any way is a verbal misdirection.
    Here's how I would say it.

    "…the overheated reactors exploded sky high and continue daily to release massive amounts of radioactive contamination into the environment with no end in sight."
    – ChasAha

    IMO – The MAIN STORY is how the 'experts' continually avoid and/or ignore the reality and scope of this global catastrophe.


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Some tell me why 4300 Peer Review studies are released daily from places like MIT, Harvard & schools world but they are locked away from the pubics eys unless you fork over thousands of dollars on nuclear plants, safety, how to do this & that, but some one decides that these stidies are locked away from the eyes of the public, who has that much power, the DOE, NRC, EPA, the controling elites over all the multi-international corporation as head of the board of shareholders Karen Hudes spoke of when she took on the world bank for all sorts of cooking the books & found out a few control all the corporations world wide.

    These studies are done with Tax Payers monies, grants congress & the soup of agencies we get short changed on daily! The EPA & FDA need to be jailed as bankers, judges,congress & so many more to list.
    We know the oceans have been the dump yards for the nuke complex & DOE, add inall the waste plants on land & those waste sites leaking into the soil & water & GMO's, we were set up to become a sick population. Fukushima was just the last straw, it would have broke the backs if the nuke, DOE Complex if all the truth was made to be talked about 24/7 on the MSM, but it has falling to social media & we must/shall fail, the world is dying off right in front of daily & life as we know it will never be the same.
    This groups is a good bunch that must take the fight up hill or we will be run over & left as road kill.
    Keep asking the hard questions with kindness!


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  • bo bo

    Repeating above post by wetpwcas1:

    'This group is a good bunch that must take the fight up hill or we will be run over & left as road kill.Keep asking the hard questions with kindness!'


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    • Tedd Tedd

      What would you do with someone like me whose attitude with this society is completely SHOT!!!

      Wall Street, MSM, Congress, must be executed on Washington Mall with as much compassion as we show animals who are slaughtered daily without mercy.

      We're a divine species alright made in the image of God. And I'm Lawrence of Arabia.


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  • The sad state of our world today! I hope we can clean up this mess and bring our oceans back to life, hopefully we'll be around to do it. We need to detox our oceans and our bodies before we all get sick from radiation exposure. Time to get some potassium iodine and zeolyte, and eat detoxing herbs/foods. We need to take some action to protect ourselves from these particles ending up in our bodies and slowly poisoning us.

    http://thehealingfrequency.com/zeolite/


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  • pjrsullivan

    What if we were to learn that Tesla had a real technology of free energy over a century ago that would produce all of the electricity that we needed, merely for the cost of the machine to produce it? If this is true, then how did we ever let nuclear energy enter to contaminate our world?

    One big question, where is the energy coming from with the use of free energy? To answer that, Our entire Universe is in constant 24/7 motion. That includes of course planet earth, that has an instantaneous speed of 559.4 miles per second. For a look at the theoretical aspects of free energy Velocity Power Sources, here is a link:

    http://bitchworld.weebly.com/the-four-elements-of-free-energy.html


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