Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite radiation exposure below legal limit — As little as 5 millisieverts

Published: July 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm ET
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Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite lower radiation exposure than legal limit, Mainichi Daily News, July 27, 2011:

Of 10 nuclear power plant workers who have developed cancer and received workers’ compensation in the past, nine had been exposed to less than 100 millisieverts of radiation, it has been learned. [...]

According to Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry statistics, of the 10 nuclear power plant workers, six had leukemia, two multiple myeloma and another two lymphatic malignancy. Only one had been exposed to 129.8 millisieverts but the remaining nine were less than 100 millisieverts, including one who had been exposed to about 5 millisieverts.

Nobuyuki Shimahashi, a worker at the Hamaoka Nuclear Power Plant:

[Shimahashi] died of leukemia in 1991 at age 29. His 74-year-old mother Michiko remembers her son dropping from 80 kilograms to 50 kilograms and his gums bleeding. [...]

He had 50.63 millisieverts of radiation exposure over a period of eight years and 10 months.

His radiation exposure monitoring databook, which was returned to his family six months after his death, showed that more than 30 exposure figures and other listings had been corrected in red ink and stamped with personal seals.

Even after he was diagnosed with leukemia, the databook had a stamp indicating permission for him to engage in a job subject to possible radiation exposure and a false report on his participation in nuclear safety education while he was in reality in hospital.

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143 comments to Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite radiation exposure below legal limit — As little as 5 millisieverts

  • What is it that no amount of radioactivity exposer is safe that they do not understand ???


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    • i don’t have a quick and easy answer to that question, maybe simple gradeschool physics and chemistry is beyond somes people ability. that is a very good example of why exposure to even presumed small amounts of radiation is not good for you and injurious to ones health.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      They weren’t happy workers. And the people claiming radioactivity is good for you assume that most people don’t pay attention to simple gradeschool chemistry and physics.

      I want these people to go to Fukushima and walk into Reactor #3 and stay there for about an hour to prove how safe it is.


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    • BAN-GREED from our hearts

      It is not that they don’t understand, it is that they don’t care.


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      • fuckyoushima

        probably both.

        human beings primarily allocate attention and resources to physically imminent threats. our senses were not designed to process radiological hazard.

        therefore this threat will never be anything but cognitively imminent. and sadly, the cognitive capacity to even register this threat is much larger than anyone thinks. nobody truly understands the effects of radiation. particles of lower energy are less damaging but more likely to interact with the body. higher energy particles are more damaging but less likely to interact. even a beta particle is not a beta particle.

        cellphone radiation frequencies cannot interact with the body except to heat it, but can augment internal emitter damage by transferring energy to beta particles (according to busby).

        the point here is that this is a fucking complete unmitigated mess.

        the only real solution is to obviate the problem with prevention, the only cure.

        (air. water. food.:hepa. reverse osmosis. geiger.)


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        • Misitu

          My words ["the point here is that this is a fucking complete unmitigated mess"] precisely.

          The bloody planet is in diabolically uncharted waters now. Good Luck Pals is about it … sooner or later that is

          Thanks FUS for that post, one more time for emphasis: “the point here is that this is a fucking complete unmitigated mess.”


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          • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

            which calls for unmitigated meaningful action, which means yanking the idiot selfish, narcissistic, cya (cover their asses) parasite scumsuckers out of office and replace them IMMEDIATELY with civilian control.


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  • farawayfan farawayfan

    People never understand that which is not in their financial interest.

    Love the continued work in radiation after diagnosis, then again, why not? He was already dying, the poor soul.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      I do not understand how people can value money over their health.


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      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        I do not refer to the poor worker, but to anyone who insists that nuclear plants are good and radiation is good for you, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

        milk:

        Most people who willingly participate in capitalism have sold their souls, is one bottom line. Is that reason to give up working to light a fire under their asses, or to give up trying to KILL OFF the worst of these unconscious parasites at the TOP, no. Not in the slightest. Life is worth protecting from the sociopathic, at the top in human society.


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  • Does anyone think that these radiation exposure monitoring databooks were not actual numbers but cooked books and possible separate books were kept ?
    Japan wouldn’t fudge numbers either would they !!


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    • theypoisonus

      Question:
      Has any of your reading or any links posted anywhere here or at other sites mentioned the STUXNET technology ?
      I need some help with a couple of articles I have run across and don’t want to post them here untill others have taken a look. Very controvercial, and I don’t want to start waves without further inspection by some more militarily minded, and that understands nuclear better than I do.


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      • stuxnet = hoaxnet. live it. breathe it. know it. :(


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Maybe we should inform the Japanese… they found a hoax.
          http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T101004003493.htm


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          • Steven Steven

            “Some computers at the Iranian Bushehr nuclear power plant, which is scheduled to begin operation in October, have been infected with the virus. ”

            Uh oh….


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        • milk and cheese milk and cheese

          I don’t believe in conspiracies here. No company and no nation wants to kill its customers and poison the planet. Why, they’d stop paying. Human greed and shortsightedness is the culprit.


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          • americancommntr

            Don’t believe in conspiracies? How about Japanese, US, and world news media 95% blacking out Fukushima? What about the million or more Japanese people being left to die by their government? No company wants to kill its customers? Then why are known safety hazards in US reactors fixed, or even required to be fixed?

            A nuclear power plant customer, is theoretically, worth more being treated for cancer than just buying electricity, if the same people who own the plants, and the governments, and the news media, also own the pharmaceutical companies and hospitals.

            Also, read up on Memorandum 200.


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          • BAN-GREED from our hearts

            I fully agree with you, Milk, it is not that they want to kill the people. It is rather that they dont care about the health and happiness of the poeple.
            And @amaerican, when their interests converge, they appear to conspire, but as soon as their interest diverge, you can see that what they actually do is just try to fulfill their individual endless greed for profit.

            Look at what is happening to Libya right now. NATO countries appeared like conspiring to grasp the Libyan wealth by bombing the country with high tech depleted uranium missiles. Now that Libyan people show that they don’t want NATO intrusion, NATO coalition is collapsing, and the US is trying to save its own individual interests, while France is left out. They just care for the money in their pocket.
            Follow the money and drop your paranoia.
            Greed is worse than conspiracy.
            Greed is leading the world
            Make sure it is not leading our own life.


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      • Stuxnet Clones Could Be Used To Target US
        Posted on: Friday, 29 July 2011, 05:50 CDT

        Officials at the US Department of Homeland Security are warning that cybercriminals could create clones of offshoots of the Stuxnet computer worm and attack American power plants, water treatment facilities, and other key parts of the infrastructure, various media outlets have reported.

        The self-replicating malware, which was originally detected last July, was used to disrupt nuclear-enrichment programs in Iran, according to Reuters reports on Thursday. Stuxnet reportedly targeted Siemens-branded industrial control systems, exploiting four previously unidentified vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows in order to seize control of the operating systems.

        “Copies of the Stuxnet code, in various different iterations, have been publicly available for some time now,” officials from Homeland Security said in a submission to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, reports Telegraph Technology Correspondent Christopher Williams.

        “The Department is concerned that attackers could use the increasingly public information about the code to …

        http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/2087206/stuxnet_clones_could_be_used_to_target_us/index.html


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      • Stuxnet Worm has Affected Iran’s Nuclear Facilities for 11 Months
        Jul 22, 2011
        The Bushehr nuclear power plant in southern Iran. The plant was infected by the Stuxnet computer virus, the first cyber weapons, which infected the IP addresses of more than 30,000 computer systems inside the plant. …
        http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/technology/stuxnet-worm-has-affected-irans-nuclear-facilities-for-11-months-59431.html


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      • July marks one year since the world learned of Stuxnet, the mysterious computer worm that launched the first successful cyberattack on infrastructure facilities.

        Stuxnet, which crippled an Iranian nuclear-fuel processing plant, served notice that state-sponsored hackers are out there — and that everything from power grids to water supplies could be the next target.

        But is that likely? Maybe not. For a number of reasons, security experts think it might be a long time before we ever see anything like Stuxnet…

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43888006/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/why-we-wont-soon-see-another-stuxnet-attack/


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      • Remember Stuxnet? That was where the “good guys” (us presumably, though we won’t admit it outright) performed a little cyber-sabotage of the gear used to create Iran’s uranium-enrichment centrifuges for their nuclear program. Basically Siemens PLC’s controlling the VFD’s on the centrifuge motors were infected with some very clever viruses. All it took was for some hapless scientist to connect a USB key to a computer on the network the gear was on, and the virus spread. It was apparently a very clever virus indeed, far more advanced than typical hacker toys. So much so, it was assumed that it had to have been a true cyberweapon concocted by governments.

        Now I read an article indicating a great deal of imported technology is being laced with hidden tools to help hackers break security over here. It was never a great idea economically to move so much of our manufacturing offshore, but …

        http://cnccookbook.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/remember-stuxnet-technology-being-imported-to-the-us-is-being-laced-with-hidden-hacker-tools/


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    • Yes, rumor has it that low level radiation is very bad for you.

      We really are talking about the annihilation of the human race. These idiots have to be stopped, one way or another. They understand money, but they do not understand biology (as Janet Shermann says):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc72kT_gFNQ

      http://dels-old.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/beir_vii_final.pdf

      BEIR VII develops the most up-to-date and comprehensive risk estimates for cancer and other health effects from exposure to low-level ionizing radiation. It is among the first reports of its kind to include detailed estimates for cancer incidence in addition to cancer mortality.

      In general, BEIR VII supports previously reported risk estimates for cancer and leukemia, but the availability of new and more
      extensive data have strengthened confidence in these estimates.

      A comprehensive review of available biological and biophysical data supports a “linear-no-threshold” (LNT) risk model—that the risk of cancer proceeds in a linear fashion at lower doses without a threshold and that the smallest dose has the potential to cause a small increase in risk to humans.


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      • Experimenting on the Global Population
        Nuclear Power and the Nuremberg Code

        … on reckless research.

        Nuclear power and the Bomb from which it derived are human experimentation, literally and figuratively. Countless rushed experiments were necessary to complete the Manhattan Project. An explosion tested the first Bomb in the New Mexican desert; within weeks, Hiroshima and Nagasaki became radioactive laboratories (and sarcophagi).

        Over the next eighteen years hundreds of additional atomic explosions in the Nevada desert, the Soviet Arctic, the Kazakh steppe, the Algerian Sahara, French Polynesia, and on “American” atolls in the South Pacific enabled the development of the hydrogen bomb and sundry innovations. The Partial Test Ban Treaty (1963) drove nuclear testing underground for Britain, the US, and the USSR. Not party to the treaty, France continued atmospheric testing on Pacific islands, finally ending all tests in 1996.

        No one knows the number of victims of nuclear weapons …

        … Now there’s Fukushima, our ongoing nuclear nightmare. It’s a case study in corporate and government malfeasance, a bountiful feast for citizens concerned about transparency, prevarication, human and ecosystem health. One might think that the catastrophe would’ve led to a universal rush for the nuclear exits.

        Instead, following an exceedingly brief period of safety protocol review, the forces pressing for a nuclear renaissance press on, especially in the land of the General Electric Mark I reactor: the United States.

        How to think clearly about all this? That’s where the Nuremburg Code comes …

        … The First Directive requires that the human subject consent to “all inconveniences and hazards reasonable to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.” “Reasonable” provides the industry, its boosters and regulators an out. No one responsible for reactor safety thought what happened in Fukushima reasonable. But “possibly” broadens the possibilities. While the probability of a catastrophic nuclear event on a given day is exceedingly low (somewhere around one in a billion), today could be the day. Low probability, high stakes. Has the industry or regulators explained the symptoms of acute radiation sickness to the public?

        2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for …

        http://www.counterpunch.org/breyman07292011.html


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      • Steven Steven

        Very informative video Pu239, learning all the time thanks to good links like that.


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      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        That isn’t a rumor, hasn’t Arnold Gundersen said that it is worse?
        And remember, any dose, no matter how low, goes on for years. Cancer runs through my family. How many of them were exposed to ‘background radiation’ that didn’t exist before 1940?


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

          If a dose gets into the body, it’s in for good and it accumulates with all later particles that get through the epithelium of either lung or gut.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

      xr:

      Cooked, all the way.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    I don’t think ANYONE has told the truth yet,….perhaps not even Busby, Gunderson,…et. all. I think even they are shielding us from the whole, raw truth,…for fear we can’t take it. That is a reflection of them, not us. They can not take it. It’s sure not easy to swallow,…but there are some of us who WANT the 100 proof! :-)


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    • When you think of it, this story is kind of earth-shattering in its importance.

      It means we’re all screwed as well.


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    • It might even be that the truth is so horrible that we can’t take it, even though – between those guys – they have already given us the truth.

      Arnie came out with the hot particles and Chris set the record straight on low levels and the fake ICRP model. NILU and others were giving us charts, but I agree we still don’t have the whole enchilada laid out.

      What is the real effect going to be on us?

      If someone said, “Ok, listen up bud. Here’s the bad news first: i) you’re all going to die anyway – from old age, ii) Fukey is just going to skip it forward a bit iii) you’re all going to get leukemia in under 5 years, and iv) there’s nothing anybody in the world can do about it v) your government wishes you a pleasant day

      We have had some hints – like this article – but the soil, fish, rainwater, spinach, salmon, baby, human, racoon, situation in view of bioaccumulation, genetic mutations and whatnot has been seemingly hidden.

      vi) all your food is now poisoned
      vii) all Geiger counters in the world have been fixed to show false readings
      viii) infant mortality records will be falsified or requisitioned by government
      ix) food will become more expensive
      x) you’ll start feeling a little “off” pretty soon, maybe the next month or so …
      xi) …?…

      [readers may add more ... etc.]

      and so on …


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      • More ponderings:

        Maybe we all just got “done”, but don’t realize it yet.

        Even more terrible, maybe noone in particular is to blame – so there’s no ‘one’ single person to point to.

        More like separate international organizations, universities, governments, secret agencies, power companies that sometimes operated together (in consort) and sometimes acted independently towards such an utter stupidity that it defies all humanly description.

        And now, those same organizations are complying in the blockage of data and other information.


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        • Steven Steven

          “maybe noone in particular is to blame – so there’s no ‘one’ single person to point to.”

          I can point to a ‘type’. Those who see the universe around them as simply a scientific oddity; an accident of nature which in itself can be described both cause and effect in mathematical terms. Anyone suffering from this inability to recognise the deliberate structure and delicate balance of creation will almost certainly strive to control and modify it to their own ends, justifying the damage they incur as the cost of progress. They place their faith in science and technology. That’s not going to work out so well, as we have seen already.


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @stillJill

      Yes, why do so many feel they must “play God” and decide for us what we should and shouldn’t know? They like the power. I agree with you 100%. I am furious that they will not give us the truth. They owe it to us.

      I was stunned to find that “Uncle Arnie” supported neighborhood nuclear plants! Can’t feel the same way about him as before. I also think he knows more than he says.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      You would not like what you hear and I suspect everyone on this site (well maybe barring one or two) already knows the truth. That this poison is ongoing, that it cannot be stopped, and we all have been exposed. There is no Out. Well, one way still remains.


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    • BAN-GREED from our hearts

      @xdrforx

      I agree with you that this is all crazy and deadly, but their is NO conspiracy. They will not be able to survive in a radioactive world. So this is suicide, nothing else.
      Suicide due to blindness. They just enjoy the pleasure given by power and wealth. They are intoxicated.
      Like junkies who are dead at the end of the day.
      The problem is that WE let them do that.
      WE vote for them
      WE buy the products and service they sell.
      Without us, they are nobody.

      So if there is a conspiracy, we are part of it, simply.
      Let us wake up.

      Waking up includes not being internet addicted (search for internet addiction, and forum addiction)


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      • @ BAN-GREED from our hearts
        forum addiction,…
        None of us should spend too much time here, many of us know the truth and we try to pass it along, even post older links of value from time to time for the new comers. Most here I see do spend time away from the forums also. Life is short and may become shorter not to be spent behind a keyboard !
        I encourage everyone not to spend their existence here ! If I am here all day,…It’s raining in Florida !
        : )


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      • Under the mushroom cloud
        31 July, 2011
        This week marks the 66th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima by the US. Luke Alfred looks back
        Every age trails behind it a cluster of images: the Elizabethan ruffled collar, Mobuto Sese Seko and his post-colonial leopard-skin cap, Vietnam’s napalm horrors.
        The ’50s are no exception. The decade calls to mind Elvis Presley, bobby socks and white T-shirts, pedal pushers, large-finned cars as wide as Wisconsin.
        Lurking on the edge of such benign associations is a more disturbing image: that of the atom bomb’s mushroom cloud, a nuclear family – no surprises there – watchful in the foreground, gazing across a desert at something sinisterly magnificent.
        It was Japan that first experienced the sheer destructiveness of atomic warfare when …

        … Through fate and circumstance some living close to the epicentre of the bomb were saved but most were incinerated. The death toll in the two cities ran into hundreds of thousands, most of the bomb’s victims dying in the chaotic aftermath, from burns, internal bleeding, lack of available medicines or appropriate medical care and, finally, from extreme thirst. Some, after appearing to have escaped the worst, simply expired.

        The suffering was widespread and terrible, played out against centuries of Japanese reserve. John …

        http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/commentary/2011/07/31/under-the-mushroom-cloud


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno@yahoo.com

      still:

      I agree about Gundersen and Busby. I don’t trust, and recommend that no one trust, anyone who has regular mainstream media airtime, at least not without fact checking where possible and using one’s OWN criticla thinking and extrapolation skills to look beneath the surface information presented in all cases.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    New MAIN at HP (not Japan but)
    Nevada Nuclear Dump Debate: Panel Finds Local Support Is Crucial
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/nevada-nuclear-dump-debate_n_913147.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Stuxnet…
    http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/w32stuxnet-dossier
    http://www.pri.org/science/technology/stuxnet-virus-threat-is-real2490.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/world/middleeast/03iran.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1311967186-JInFpdBx7TYvZfzCiW6VHA
    The military believes in overkill… to be effective.Seimans is the control company for the Fukushima reactors.
    It would be remiss to fail to mention….the subtle public nod toward Israel as it’s source.
    Ever notice..our government is completely unconcerned with it’s presence.
    Perhaps Fukushima got the HAARP/Stuxnet..double up.


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    • theypoisonus

      An Isreali security co. got a contract before fuki to do some work there. They had never done that particular work, according to the article I am now reading in the past.

      Seems that Japan had made a deal with Iran shortly before Fuki to enrich uranium for Iran.

      Isreal hates all Arab countries, because the support Palestine. This is or should be common knowledge.

      I really need some help with this article, and 2 others I have come across today, but don’t want to post the info untill ‘smarter people’ more familiar with military ‘thinking’ and also nuclear knowledge I am not privy to, reviews it.

      Again, I don’t want to post links here, yet, untill it is reviewed by others.

      I will check back for a reply of some method for me to get the links to the right people.
      I hate to sound all ‘top secret’ like, but I do not want to sound any false alarm. Surely ya’ll can understand that. I am also sure we have all been ‘fooled’ by things we have read via the internet. I know I have, and needed fresh eyes to see what I could not.

      It is right at 4 my time, will check back within an hour.

      thanks,


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    @theypoisonus

    Well here is my take.
    Basically everyone on enenews so far has been quite level headed and rather realistic about all of this, all things considered.

    Reactions to difficult information and really bad Fuku news have been relevant and appropriate (IMO).

    So from that perspective, I suggest that you simply post the links with the request for assessment of the content.
    Doing so could even bring out some very high powered (very professional) lurkers who might not post otherwise.

    Posting the links doesn’t mean you have any agreement with the content, especially if you offer some personal caveats with the posted links.

    I have chased or watched way too many conspiracy theories become US State Dept news stories years (or decades) later to dismiss material that seems a bit outlandish.

    And I have seen plenty of “theories” turn out to be nothing more than ignorance driven urban legends.

    We are simply stuck with the task of filtering out the truth from the mix of information and disinformation.


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    • theypoisonus

      Hay, I just looked at your ‘name’ again and don’t you spend time at the Oil Drum site?

      If you are indeed that person, i have read alot of your imformation concerning Gulf Disaster.

      You are indeed level headed and quite knowledgable, if he.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Agreed. But, I think most enenews folks have developed an EXCELLENT nose for ‘things’ that don’t pass the smell test. That covers about 97% of what come out-IMO.


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  • theypoisonus

    Thank you for your wise responses. OK, here goes.. I don’t know why I am afraid to do this, but I don’t want to appear an idiot or scare people unduly.

    This is a leagthly article, well sourced, and the writer and I share the belief that 9/11 was black /ops. I know there are people that just can’t seem to wrap their heads around that, and believe the garbage pumped out by the Isreal/US propoganda machine, but it is now evident to over 65% of people polled in other countries as well as here.

    I don’t personally know enough to credit it, I had read reference about stuxnet, but didn’t then nor do I now quite ‘get’ it’s capabilities. I did see his source stating that it was indeed attributed to Isreal’s Mossad, who are feared my all military, their covertness is unsurpassed.

    All of that said, here goes..
    For Consideration and possible discussion only at this point

    http://jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima.html

    This is an article that he references to later in the afor mentioned article.There are other links to other info along with pics.

    http://theenergycollective.com/nathantemple/53384/how-shutdown-and-core-cooling-japanese-reactors-likely-functions

    All sources are at bottom of the page and the one video has been taken down by the original source( which I just checked again, and as in 9/11 that news source has taken the vid down) , even though that is not viewable, the classified pictures he has are still up on his server.

    I have been up and down all day, bad plumbing problem still being worked on now for 5 hours
    :(     so read this is snippets..

    Thanks again and realize, this article blasts everything we have been told completely out of the water, even Kaku, Gunderson, et.al.


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    • VanneV anne

      Jim Stone is an advocate for the nuclear industry. According to him, TEOCO is a wonderful company, Fukushima was well run with no problems or previous coverups, and MOX is a wonderful fuel, no problems, we need more nuclear power plants in the US and they all need to use MOX fuel. If you agree with him you are as insane as he is IMHO.


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      • theypoisonus

        anne,

        That wasn’t a very kind statement, and I am far from insane.

        I posted a disclaimer.. I have never heard of the man. The theory is not his alone as the second posted article proves, that I forgot originally to put in with the Jim Stone article post.

        I apologize if this upset you. My intent is just to put it out there, and I, personally, would put NOTHING past Isreal Zionists and their agendas.


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        • VanneV anne

          I didn’t hear you say that MOX fuel should never have been used, and should never be used again. I didn’t hear you say anything against nuclear power. Using MOX fuel, keeping nuclear power plants in operation is murder. And I think all murderers are insane.

          Instead of making your position clear on the issue of the insanity of nuclear power you instead start name calling and scapegoating–exactly like an industry shill. Your moniker sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

          It is also insane to use nuclear power because it is the most expensive form of energy, it destroys the environment most, and it is leading to the DNA destruction of the human race. Only lemmings and the insane kill themselves.


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          • theypoisonus

            Anne,
            Don’t know what your beef with me personally is, but you are misguided in your opinion of me. I didn’t know that I had to disclaim every single form of nuke power in every post here. :(

            I am far from a believer in Nuclear.
            I don’t even like the use of fossil fuel or coal. My husband works in the Pipeline maintance industry, Oil and Gas. We have had many heated arguments about that alone, but someone has to fix those 70 year old pipes and these days, he is lucky to even HAVE A JOB.

            I’m an old hippie and still am at heart.
            We demonstrated in my youth against this crap. The PTB won then and they are even stronger today.

            If you are having a bad day, fine, but find an legit scapegoat. It sure isn’t me, and given TEMPCO’s lack of ability to do anything considered conventional in the Industry to “fix what is broken” , could very well be that there are scenerios or deeper problems we aren’t privy to.

            Hence the article. Again I posted a disclaimer and gave up believing ANY info manufactured by the Corporation of the United States, or any other govts. around the world long ago.

            It is THEORY, simply that and nothing more. Give me a freakin’ break and find someone else to be pissed at.

            Using your own backward way of thinking, ” I didn’t hear you say that you stayed up for practically three solid days to try to help ,and, I might add, accomplish getting word out about the people and children of Fukishima City” at a number of high profile internet news sources. I also got a follow up article printed.

            IF I WERE NOT AGAINST NUKE POWER, WTF would I be doing here? Ever consider that?
            Bored? go to google and type in depleted uranium and just pick any ole country that the US Military Complex is picking on for no other reason than Isreal wants them to.. Be sure to click on Images so you get the full impact.

            I write legislators weekly over these tactics.. do you ??? I still haven’t paid last years taxes, because I don’t want to pay for their genocide !

            Have a great week-end and get up on the other side of the bed tomarrow morning. :)


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          • @ theypoisonus

            your statements make precious little sense. and you are grandstanding the issue. anne is right you are behaving exactly as a shill would. you seem to prefer to spend and inordinate amount of time actively ignoring the bigger issues here. :(


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          • Fukushima: How Many Chernobyls Is It?

            The world’s second big nuclear disaster occurred at Chernobyl Reactor No. 4 in the Ukraine on Apr 26, 1986. Simply tagged as “Chernobyl,” it is what the next big and well known nuke disaster, after the American Three Mile Island, on March 28, 1979 came to be called. “Chernobyl” ejected 30% of one 192-ton, three-month old reactor core. That’s 57.6 radioactive tons thrown into the air by fire and explosions.

            Startling NHK Image of Japanese Television

            The tiny radioactive and burning smoke particles have traveled around the world many times since 1979, killing an estimated one million people to date from radiation caused illnesses and cancers. This is according to Editor Dr Janette Sherman’s exhaustive and widely acclaimed book on 5,000 Chernobyl scientific papers recently published by the New York Academy of Sciences [1].

            Fukushima Daiichi Equals 50 Plus Chernobyls

            As Dr. Michio Kaku, a world renowned CUNY theoretical physicist pointed out on CNN March 18, 2011, Chernobyl involved one reactor and only 57.6 Tons of the reactor core went into the atmosphere. In dramatic …
            http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/


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          • Deadly Silence on Fukushima

            the problem is that the reactor uses “dirty” fuel. It is a combination of plutonium and uranium (MOX). I suspect that the old fuel rods have bean spread out due to the explosion and the surrounding area is contaminated with plutonium which means you can never return to this place again. It is like a new Tchernobyl. Personally, I am not surprised that the authority has not informed people about this.

            I have been following the Fukushima story very closely since the earthquake and devastating tsunami. I have asked scientists I know, nuclear physicists and others about where they find real information. I have also watched as the news has virtually disappeared. There is something extremely disturbing going on, and having lived through the media blackout in …
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vivian-norris-de-montaigu/deadly-silence-on-fukushi_b_859241.html


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          • Steven Steven

            @anne

            theypoisonus isn’t an industry shill. I’ve been reading her posts for some time and all have been informed, concerned and humanitarian in content.


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          • BAN-GREED from our hearts

            @they poison us
            I almost laugh when I read that the US send their depleted uranium DU missiles on earth to please Israel. You are very naive.
            Thank you for making me smile, the DU is such a dirty thing, and the Fuku and nuke industry and ALL industries are such a huge disaster, i never thought I would smile at that.
            Anyway my view is that we are all responsible. We all wanted cheap energy and high comfort etc etc. Our greed is killing us. Those who lead the machines are the puppets of our own greed. I would prefer to be jobless than work for the Petrol and Gas corporations.

            I’d prefer to die in the name of life than live in the name of death.

            Of, something uplifting (but may bring tears in your eyes). Please look at Planet Earth’s beauty and life prodigious vitality on youtube
            There are many links to this video, for ex
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jP8CC2rKj4

            Let us unite, and not fight. We need to be caring to win this terrible war.

            Love to all!


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        • VanneV anne

          AN/URC-117 Ground Wave Emergency Network
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/URC-117_Ground_Wave_Emergency_Network
          “The Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN)[1] was a command and control communications system intended for use by the United States government to facilitate military communications before, during and after a nuclear war. Specifically, GWEN was constructed to survive the effects of a high-altitude nuclear explosion electromagnetic pulse to insure that the United States President can give a launching order to strategic nuclear bombers.”


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        • VanneV anne

          Electromagnetic Pulse Bomb: E-Bomb
          http://www.ih2000.net/chembio/emp_1.html
          “ On June 30, 2005, WorldNetDaily.com reported from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin that Iran plans to take out America with one high-altitude EMP–bomb, if they develop the capability. In order to “take out America,” anyone exploding such a bomb over the U.S. would do so at a high altitude of 400 kilometers (248.56 miles) or approximately 250 miles above Kansas. This state is relatively in the center of the United States, and a burst at high altitude here would reach out to all of America, disabling her sensitive electrical and electronic equipment.
          “Any nuclear burst produces EMP–effects. It just depends on where and what altitude the bomb is burst at. EMPs were produced at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, the terrain absorbed much of the EMP release during the burst. The EMP pulse was absorbed by the earth. Maximum advantage has been shown to be about 250 miles high for the burst point, but they can be exploded at 100 to 300 miles up.
          “ Some scientists have said that when World War III rages at its highest, a change in attitude will occur and a “Black–Out” bomb, as it’s also known, will be released to reach the highest level of atmosphere circling the earth (beyond 300 miles) and exploded to stop the warring factions. This would do it. It would put the “lights” out for the world.”


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          • lokay5

            Re EMP Bomb

            Currently under development/testing.

            Capable of disrupting/destroying electronics and communications, thus disabling the electric power grid.

            Fukushima meltdowns and spent fuel pool fires were caused by electrical power supply failure, both external (grid) and generators/batteries.

            Disrupt the grid and all nuclear plants become dependendent on generators/ batteries for the duration.

            Disrupt solid state electronics and lose reactor/SPF cooling and control systems.

            End result; multiple simultaneous nuclear reactor meltdowns and spent fuel pool criticalities.

            Then….? simply put -GAME OVER-


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          • milk and cheese milk and cheese

            Hard to see how Iran would or could get a plane to fly into U.S. airspace;
            or what good it would do if it ‘took out’ America with an EMP and, as a result of the electrical failure, all US and Canadian reactors SIMULTANEOUSLY went down, poisoning the world a lot faster than Fukushima is doing. Multiply Fukushima by however many reactors the US has. It would be a death sentence for the world.


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        • cmarks48

          U R insane, go see a shrink


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        • VanneV anne

          Fukushima long ranked most hazardous plant
          Tokyo: Japan’s Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant ranked as one of the most dangerous in the world for radiation exposure years before it was destroyed by the meltdowns and explosions that followed the March 11 earthquake.
          For five years to 2008, the Fukushima plant was rated the most hazardous nuclear facility in Japan for worker exposure to radiation and one of the five worst nuclear plants in the world on that basis. The next rankings, compiled as a three-year average, are due this year.
          Reuters uncovered these rankings, privately tracked by Fukushima’s operator Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco), in a review of documents and presentations made at nuclear safety conferences over the past seven years.
          In the United States — Japan’s early model in nuclear power — Fukushima’s lagging safety record would have prompted more intensive inspections by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. It would have also invited scrutiny from the US Institute of Nuclear Power Operations,…
          http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Fukushima-long-ranked-most-hazardous-plant/824430/


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        • VanneV anne

          @ theypoisonous

          Have you read this book?
          The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
          http://www.amazon.com/Farhud-Roots-Arab-Nazi-Alliance-Holocaust/dp/0914153145/ref=pd_sim_b_1

          I refer to your remarks to:
          http://enenews.com/congratulations-japan

          These remarks are really off-topic to this website.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            anne, sorry, no offense, but I think you’re reacting a bit over the top here in your attempts to tackle theypoisonus down. As you can see in the comments you refer to above, many members here share her views on that particular topic.
            Btw, headline of that thread was “Japan won the soccer worldcup”, and also NOT “the Arab-Nazi alliance”.
            :-)
            Discussing politics and / or religion is almost as dangerous as running a NPP, methinks.
            peace.


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        • VanneV anne

          theypoisonous got upset that someone was getting a dosimeter from Israel. I quote part of her statement made on July 17:
          “No matter who you are, Helen Thomas, Rick Sanchez, anyone.. You can’t say anything negative about jews or you are blackballed.. the very next day.”
          http://enenews.com/congratulations-japan

          Actually Helen Thomas was fired for advocating ethnic cleansing:
          “Thomas: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine….
          “Thomas: They can go home.
          “Nesenoff: Where’s the home?
          “Thomas: Poland, Germany…”
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas
          On any Arab map what we know as Israel is called Palestine. There is no Israel on any Arab map.
          If we want to get rid of nuclear power and ethically as well, we much cry for all the children, not just some of them.

          Radiation kills everyone.

          Jesus will not reward ethnic cleansing:
          Jesus said,
          Matthew 25 :31 -46
          New International Reader’s Version (NIRV)
          31 “The Son of Man will come in all his glory. All the angels will come with him. Then he will sit on his throne in the glory of heaven. 32 All the nations will be gathered in front of him. He will separate the people into two groups. He will be like a shepherd who separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep to his right and the goats to his left.
          34 “Then the King will speak to those on his right. He will say, ‘My Father has blessed you. Come and take what is yours. It is the kingdom prepared for you since the world was created. 35 I was hungry. And you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty. And you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger. And you invited me in. 36 I needed clothes. And you gave them to me. I was sick. And you took care of me. I was in prison. And you came to visit me.’
          37 “Then the people who have done what is right will answer him. ‘Lord,’ they will ask, ‘when did we see you hungry and feed you? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger and invite you in? When did we see you needing clothes and give them to you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
          40 “The King will reply, ‘What I’m about to tell you is true. Anything you did for one of the least important of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
          41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘You are cursed! Go away from me into the fire that burns forever. It has been prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 I was hungry. But you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty. But you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger. But you did not invite me in. I needed clothes. But you did not give me any. I was sick and in prison. But you did not take care of me.’
          44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty and not help you? When did we see you as a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison and not help you?’
          45 “He will reply, ‘What I’m about to tell you is true. Anything you didn’t do for one of the least important of these, you didn’t do for me.’
          46 “Then they will go away to be punished forever. But those who have done what is right will receive eternal life.”


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      • i definitely agree with your assessment. these “cheaper by the dozen” conspiracy kids need to go somewhere else to spread their out and out ignorance, misinformation lies and sappy propaganda.


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    • Darth

      Dear Grandma theypoisonus,

      There is a lot wrong with this world but spreading this kind of crap around is really awful. Why do you people HAARP on all these illogical theories. I guess you are easy picken’s since you probably do not have a science background. Sorry, but this kind of stuff just does not pass the smell test for me.

      There is a conspiracy taking place by the way – it is Nature and she is about to muck out the human race as we know it. It will be a freak show of flesh and bones no one will recognize in a few generations. Isn’t that fodder enough for our macabre interests.


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      • Steven Steven

        @Darth

        “Grandma theypoisonus”…? Nice way to start a conversation. Fair enough at least we have your number.

        theypoisonus merely put forward the links for discussion. If you read the full thread you can see she was hesitant to do so, but was encouraged to proceed.

        If I were you I’d apologise. That goes for anyone else who chipped in with this unwarranted personal attack on an obviously decent human being.


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        • Darth

          It would be nice to stay on topic instead of having to read through all this side-show fringe world mumblings.

          Just trying to help shape the discussion into something more meaningful.


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    • milk and cheese milk and cheese

      The only thing that that last article doesn’t mention is a tsunami. The reactors were damaged by two disasters, not one.
      This sounds like an apologist, only acknowledging certain facts and ignoring the inconvenient truth.
      I still trust Dr Busby and Mr. Gundersen.


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      • milk and cheese milk and cheese

        I’m responding to theypoisonus’s original post…there seems to be a bit of a gap between it and my comment.

        And I realize that everyone is under a lot of stress, but we should try to be a little more tolerant of each other. We are all heading toward the same end.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      @theypoisonus, thank you for your input. I feel ashamed to see how you were personally attacked here for putting articles up for discussion.
      Hope to see you around, hippie at heart :-)


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  • theypoisonus

    Me again, sorry, but I forgot one important link.

    This is a grassroots group, out of country that are trying to dispel all current theories to date about 3/11

    again, for consideration and discussion

    http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/join-a-grassroots-investigation-of-311-nuclear-catastrophe-%e2%80%93-stuxnet-in-fukushima-daiichi/


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    • VanneV anne

      Here is what this “grassroots” investigation has to say:
      “Were the generators protected from flooding and how?
      “A watertight barrier would do. Knowing the tsunamis and typhoons in their region, Japanese engineers must have designed the generators safe from flooding. Would the batteries be better protected, since they have not failed? The generators are more important than batteries, for they provide a much longer-lasting power to the cooling system. Seawater that has allegedly damaged all generators should have short-circuited the batteries, damaging them.
      “NPS employees knew seasalt’s destructivity, corroding all metal on the shore. The emergency generators, so vital to NPS security, would be located in watertight rooms.”
      http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/join-a-grassroots-investigation-of-311-nuclear-catastrophe-%E2%80%93-stuxnet-in-fukushima-daiichi/

      This argument from this “grassroots” investigation seems to say that the Japanese would have anticipated the tsunami. We know they used seawater to cool the reactors. Yet this “grassroots” investigation seems to imply that the Japanese would have guarded against sea water.
      Couldn’t we say the same about the flooding at Ft Calhoun? The US also seems to not have been prepared for a flood.
      “Would, could, should” are not arguments about the facts.

      It’s difficult to watch the suffering of so many people and to know about the future suffering. Blame must be placed squarely on the nuclear industry. How dare they use MOX fuel? It is obviously extremely dangerous. The blame for the explosion of reactor #3 must be placed on the the real culprit: MOX fuel.

      When the EU was discussing the future of the nuclear industry they decided to skip the possibility of terrorist attack. There is no way to safe guard against it. 9/11 was caused by airplanes. A terrorist attack can wipe out all electrical gridworks in a country. It doesn’t neet a Stuxnet virus to accomplish this.

      Two days without electricity can cause a nuclear plant to go into meltdown. This is the lesson from Fukushima. Human error can cause a meltdown. This is the lesson from Chernobyl. The genetic defects will accumulate over the centuries, not lesson. There is still as much cesium around Chernobyl as there were in the beginning of this disaster.

      Reactor #3 in Fukushima exploded because the MOX fuel wasn’t cooled due to no external power and problems with backup generators.

      For those who question that the earthquake was a 9.0 in magnitude, here is a question. What then caused the oil refinery fire in Sendai?


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        • milk and cheese milk and cheese

          A good post, as always, Anne.

          I have a question and maybe someone here knows the answer.

          If a ‘shut down’ nuclear plant still emits 3 per cent of its total energy output since reaction continues, why is diesel needed to run locomotive engines? Couldn’t the plant provide its own emergency power? Couldn’t the ‘spent fuel’ pools also provide power to the generators?


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          • Hey Milk and Cheese, they do whatever they do to stop fission in the core but there is residual heat left like killing a campfire its still hot in there. They have a cooling system in place designed to stop core from overheating and possibly starting up again. But no generating system to harness that energy. The core is shut down so no fire for steam generator. Plant can’t generate electricity so power to operate the cooling system for shut down reactor (and the spent fuel pond) comes from the grid, from another generator miles away. The diesel fuel comes into play when power from the grid gets interrupted. There are backup diesel generators in case of power outages. They will provide power for plant to operate in shut down mode.

            In a diesel locomotive diesel generators produce power for electric motors which actually power the wheels.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A lively debate at UC Berkeley Nuclear Engineering blog..about Mr.Stone. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4610


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  • Darth

    I wonder if Ann Coulter will write an article on this “glowing radiation report”.


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  • James2

    Fukushima nuclear industry shill training manual:

    Step1: Think of a cutesy message board name that hides the fact that you are an industry shill. nukeisbad; truthseeker; etc…

    Step 2. Become adept at writing long message technical sounding, but meaningless responses to any thread

    Step 3. Keep off the topic – anything else is OK, but not Fukushima

    Step 4. Link to crazy conspiracy theories – the wllder the better. Link the site, the topic, other people to conspiratorial talk. Try to get folks to be mad and blame someone for Fukushima – preferably not anyone really responsible, but mythical figures. Bonus if you can get actual non-shills to debate conspiratorial thinking.

    Step 5. Do not reveal any facts. Link to old information. Link to other current events. Anything to take the eye off the real activity on the ground: Forest Fires, Floods, anything is ok – no facts around Fukushima.

    Step 6. At all costs, direct the conversation away from MOX. Do not talk about the deadly Plutonium dioxide that blew sky high out of Reactor 3 on March 14th. MOX is the future of the industry – demerits if you allow threads to mention it.

    Step 7. Report all threads which seem to be going in a bad direction immediately to your handlers. They will implement further corrective action toward pesky individuals.

    Did I get it right?


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    • Steven Steven

      Interesting theory James2. Would that be a conspiracy theory?


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      • Steven Steven

        Sorry – you said “crazy conspiracy theory” which clearly you think yours is not.

        Who decides btw? You?


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      • James2

        No, the MOX thing has been proven – it’s not a theory anymore.

        Pluto blast all over the place. Rained down on USS Ronnie Reagan, and contaminated her crew with hot Pluto particles Lord help them.

        They tried to glue it all down with green goo, but it must not be working. Gamma still hitting the webcam months later and hundreds of yards away. (look for random white blown-out pixels).

        MOX Pluto likely hit the Jetstream, which is why Arnie says hot particles on the West Coast of the US.

        Now the shared SPF seems to be burning and random critical – I hope it’s not, but it looks like it is.

        The facts are horrible enough that no conspiracies are needed.


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        • Steven Steven

          “the MOX thing has been proven – it’s not a theory anymore”

          So your point is (seemingly) that there is MOX fuel scattered everywhere. I thought the point you were making in the original post was in relation to shills not mentioning MOX fuel. That assumption stands as part of your conspiracy theory (which I do not necessarily discount, btw).

          However, one post from someone so clearly opposed to nuclear power which in some small way seems to fit your profile does not make a case for attacking them as a shill (again I presume you were referring to theypoisonus).

          Just trying to get some clarity/sanity out of this unfortunate outburst. Some frayed nerves here methinks, and not enough reading before posting maybe?


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    • lokay5

      Concur James2.

      lokay5


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    • Bravo! you definitely have it right James2. these conspiracy kids with their half-baked and ridiculous theories and need to go somewhere else.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    We are all under a lot of stress.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    My goodness, it MUST be possible to speak one’s mind here without being under constant attack! That’s ridiculous, really.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Good morning all..did someone actually say something controversial on this blog?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What a mess the blog is this morning..
    Here is some data on MOX fuel….NOT a conspiracy based false fact.
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20042852-76.html


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I can’t believe it..I sleep get up..and even the contents of the reactors is still up for question.
    Was it the Jim Stone controversy….?
    Try to understand the nature of black ops…I have no personal opinion at this point..but I think his ideas are definitely worth considering.
    The person who brought this issue to the table..hesitated…..heck..I read Mr. Stone’s stuff weeks ago and did not bring it to the blog for this very reason.
    I figured it would be poorly received.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi Heart, that’s a pity, isn’t it? When people even here (where everyone complains about censorship, news blackout etc.) are hesitating to bring something up for discussion(!) and don’t because they are worried about the reaction? That worries me a LOT.
      I’ve been called a shill here before. Not nice.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here we are …in the midst of a revolution…and we are still spending all day..everyday… trying to maintain a scientific consensus…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The pity is..it wastes precious time for organization…
    It’s past midnight….


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    6 AM ..here..mildly considering my coffee and the revolution.


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  • Radioactive catch 22: Everyone wants the power, no one wants the waste

    July 30, 2011 – CALIFORNIA – Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant on California’s central coast has more than 1,300 tons of nuclear waste sitting on its back porch, waiting for pickup. The problem is, there’s no one to pick it up. The 103 other reactors in the country are in the same bind — it has now been more than 50 years since the first nuclear plant was switched on in the United States, and the federal government still hasn’t found a permanent home for the nation’s nuclear waste….
    http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/radioactive-catch-22-everyone-wants-the-power-no-one-wants-the-waste/


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  • sueec

    Hi all, I would like to say how informative you all are and after reading your posts for many days I plucked up courage to post something . I was welcomed by one and scolded by another. I am desperately worried for japan and the world and am trying to get up to speed so as to be able to inform others. I think you should err on the side of caution when judging … Educate ( tedious as that maybe) direct ( give us something helpful to do) but don’t turn anyone away . Surely we all need all the help we can get. Now ( sigh) you prob all know this but I saw some webcam footage of Fukushima 27/7 6am ish and there was a blue flash. This was on YouTube? Has anyone else seen this?
    Thanks again ( and sorry) oh I forgot I HATE Mox


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    @sueec…Welcome..seems we had a rough Friday night…
    Most days.. we try our level best….!


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  • sueec

    I feel your pain. I am in Australia and tonight the news on fukushima was about floods and the devastation caused by them after the tsunami and earthquake . NO MENTION OF CONTINUING RADIATION … AT ALL


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi sueec,
      speaking of floods: as you’re in Australia, do you have any information what last year’s massive flodding did to all the uranium mines?
      I’ve asked myself that question then, but found no answers…
      Welcome and yes, I don’t like MOX either ;-)


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The new evacuations will remove people from that area without having to mention the radiation at all…
    Still I suppose it’s a mixed blessing..storms will push the radiation all around..air ..water..soil..
    They need to evacuate.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes Hello sueec! You’re gonna fit right in,…I can tell! We’ve been waiting for you! (Not in a freaky way). :-)


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  • BAN-GREED from our hearts

    Darth,
    I agree that we should be constructive, but bringing weird conspiracy theroeis in the discussion is not, so why not try to dispel these crazy misinformation.

    Whenever i do some search on google these days, i find that 80% of thosewho give interesting info out of MSM are getting crazy with all sorts of conspiracies. It is not that I don’t beleive in conspiracies, but I don’t believe in madness. Whether it is pro Nuke or anti Nuke.
    Since the current events are driving us mad, it is good that we help each other remain on sane tracks.
    I personnally believe we all re responsible for the distaster. We are too greedy, we are cowards, we want comfort, easy life.
    Life is not easy, by making it is easy with nuke and the like, we destroy ourselves.

    The people who lead the deadly machine are not from another planet (unless you believe in this kind of conspiracy). They are like you and me, elected by you and me, sponsored by your money, when ever you spend one penny, to whom does it go? Being an conscious consumer is one of the keys.

    I find it so childish to put the blame on conspiracies.
    Let us grow up and take responsibility for this world and its fate, please.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    The elites in their own words want a much lower population on the planet. ONE unnecessary war proves that they do not care about us, regard us as the farmer regards his livestock. And how many unnecessary wars/invasions is the US currently waging?

    Time to grow up, wake up, and do it fast. The fluoride in the water, the mercury in the vaccines, the many toxic chemicals in our foods, the suppression of holistic non-toxic treatments for degenerative illnesses… open eyes and engage brain.

    Re dangers of low level radiation, you can probably find in your library this carefully researched and documented book – DANGEROUS DECEIT – LOW LEVEL RADIATION, HIGH LEVEL COVER-UP (which I found out about on this website).

    Here is an information-packed interview with Leuren Moret, link to audio plus my notes. Excuse the few typos.

    Listen:

    http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/leuren-moret-fukushima-radiation-food-contamination-grows-japan-u-s-canada-part-2-of-3-video

    Leuren Moret – Fukushima radiation food contamination grows in Japan, U.S., Canada – Part 2 of 3 July 16, 2011.

    Notes:
    Nuclear food contamination – US and Canadian complicity are growing

    In Japan – food contamination

    radiation is being spread deliberately.

    radioactive cattle from fukushima, esp from evac. zone,, distributed to 25 prefectures, nobody informed.

    Yokahama: k-high school kids fed highly radioactive beef.

    ‘from now on’ beef from Fuk will be tested but it is too late for these kids in Yokahama City. Fed this beef more than once. Since April!

    July 9 Japanese council man comments on blog — large qty of beef from Fuk. has been used in pub. school lunches. He and others in govt. cannot stop it. Policy comes from higher up.

    Mid May Yokohama said schools would test school food –BUT – only tested food grown in Yokahama. ASSUMED that food from FUK. area had alread been tested.

    Those who feared contam. food being used were ridiculed, accused of over reacting.

    Parents had kids carry their own lunches and water bottles. SCHOOLS DENIED CHILDREN THE RIGHT TO EAT THIS FOOD. FORCED THEM TO EAT THE SCHOOL LUNCHES!Genocide by design, not accident.

    This program is run from the US (says Japanese activist).

    Using Fuk. produce etc. ‘to show support.’ Officials say – ‘well, everyone’s eating it….’

    Not to waste swimming pool water, highly contam – they used it to water school gardens and yards. – in other words, put the radiation there.

    Parents were called ‘monster parents’ for ‘worrying too much about radiation.’

    concerned food supplier (whistle-blower) supplied the info identifying that all the cows fed to Yoka. schools – all came from Fuk. ‘because it was cheap.’ consumers wouldn’t buy it. price went down. schools bought it at bargain prices, did not inform parents of this. City did nothing.

    School dist. lied. Said not using Fuk. beef. When all their beef was from Fuk.

    Order to ship beef to Yokahama probably came from Yamashita, Ministry of interior, national govt. of Japan.

    targeted genocide of children.

    after nuke accident – meat dealers profited by selling this contam beef to schools . tacit approval of mayor and dept. of education.

    previously japan cut off all beef import from canada due to mad cow found in one cow. a couplle years ago.

    level of contam. in Fuk is at least 10 times higher than Chernobyl.

    the point: Note difference here in caution of policy.

    Japan used to have high quality in its food supply.

    Previous to Fuk. Japanese customs returned 35 kilos dried mushrooms , 25 years after Chernobyl, still had too much cesium from Chern. This contam was much lower than what is in the Fuk. food now.. The point: Japan officials clearly know what they are doing in encouraging and even forcing Japanese people to eat this highly contam. food.

    Aside from radioactive school lunches, Yok schools are sending kids to a summer camp with very high radiation levels, dangerously so. It is a hot spot. Summer school personnel said ‘I would not recommend your students coming to our facility for summer camp. But councilmen doing it anyway.

    all the beef came from the planned evac. zone of Fuk.

    unique id numbers of the cows was used to id these beef cattle in Yok. 5 times the safety limit, they found – internal.

    All school lunches in Yokohama were contaminated.

    Leak of this info from school nutritionists. But school principals and yokahama city officials lied and denied.

    finally stopped using beef in school lunches for July. but began using pork! — (they also have lots of radioactive pork to get rid of)

    78000 bequerels of cesium per kilo of hay – testing revealed.

    beef also found very radioactive when tested.

    PM assistant – announcing abolition of evacuation zone shelters. people being forced now to return to home. being told they must return.

    Natl govt. will spend millions now to ‘observe the health’ of these people. for next 20 years.

    Obviously – they are human guinea pigs. taxpayers will pay for the program.

    totally corrupt gangster run City of London run program.

    Dr Yamashita will be pres. of the university doing the research. tried to kick him out of the prefecture. but he got promoted!

    they mix radioactive ashes with lower rated ashes to bring the level down. radioactive ashes then are buried. more contamination. tons of radioactive ashes (burned garbage).

    waste disposal is being handled by a co. that is not a nuk waste disposal company.

    this has happend all over the world, as in the Mediterranian, handled by the Mafia. polluting the water and the food supply. planet’s food supply is being contaminated with radioactive waste.

    tokyo citizens now putting geiger counters on sidewalks.

    response of jap govt to the children law suit filed to demand a court order (friendly judge) for govt. to evac 350,000 kids in fuk prefecture. response by govt to this law suit was to fund a study of these exposed citizens. and sent dosimeters to fuk. to measure the kids’external exposure [ if the sent dosimeters are even accurate].. whole area, grass, ground, water, etc are very very radioactive. city closed parks. didn’t clean them up . people use them anyway. schools bulldozed top layers of soil – but just piled it up in piles in corners! so wind carries dust, etc.

    parents who protest kids being forced to eat the contam lunches are GANG STALKED!

    govt. measure of radiation often measured from very high off ground where levels are way lower. (deliberate deception)

    yellow rain is radioactive iodine, stains rain – it is that high, the concentration.

    jap govt and tepco only measuring the external radiation. not measuring it in food. not witholding contam food from markets. 1300 fision prodducts, alpha emitters, not even being reported, mentioned. alpha emitters are muich much worse than beta and gamma emitters.

    food source, another dangerous one – food in filter feeders in ocean. bioconcentration 40-50 time higher than in water – oysters, clams, mussels – AVOID THEM. much worse than beef, pork, or vegetables.

    radiation and chemicals multiply the effects of each other. this not mentioned. the rain-out into the troposphere where all the storms are, all of it rained out. nuke bomb test radiation went very high, 85% of it is stilll way up there. but all of this is getting to us.

    SO – whole No. hemisphere is getting AN ACUTE DOSE. WHOLE NO. HEMISPHERE CONTAM. ALSO FOOD SUPPLY. ESP WEST COAST, HAWAII AND JAPAN – ALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN EVACUATED. (which Leuren said from the get-go.)

    This is much worse for kids. effects are worse. these are death sentence levels for children.

    the contam. is MUCH MORE THAN IS RELEASED BY NUKE WEAPONS. fuel rods blown up and out. huge gamma chimneys from spent fuel pools that have gone dry. glowing, fluorescence. gamma bursts. huge glowing spots in the building, look bright like the son.
    like June14 release.

    Hawaii, July 7 event, radiation flashes, another gamma burst – that arrived in HI and West Coast. Kauai counts had gone up from 25 counts permin. to 45-60.. earlier were getting counts up to 150. SO HAWAII IS GETTING EVEN MORE RADIATION THAN IS THE WEST COAST.

    resistance to encasing in cement.

    Dr. Alexi Yablakov plus chernobyl you will find it on the internet… huge book on Chernobyl.

    35 % increase infant mortality. 45% in Philly cuz of high rainout there.

    Dr. Jeanette Sherman, Dr. Yablakov – this is many times worse than Chernobyl, which was only one reactor and only 1/6 the size of the Fuk. reactors. PLUS the 600,000 spent fuel rods in Fuk. have already released huge amounts of radiation. THIS IS HUGE.

    Nature Magazine just pub. — Jap. scientists say ‘no fallout legacy’ for Japan’s farms BUT- recommend cleaning up the soil in the hot spots. Self-contradictory. More spin, dis-info.

    Fuk. plant still unstable, unpredictable, still having big releases and not telling anyone.

    Food contam. across the world ‘of course’ we are getting it.

    air filters in Seattle cars analyzed for hot particles…. stopped here – there will be another segment because she has more info.


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  • shaktasna999

    It’s weird that people are arguing about “conspiracy theories” here.

    A tsunami caused an unstable nuclear plant to release radioactive toxins into the environment. The toxin released has not been stopped. There is no ETA for full containment. These are the facts. This is what MOX fuel is:
    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf29.html

    It was at Fukushima per Tepco.

    Now if people want to not deal with any radiation issues until they or their family members get sick it is their right. If people want to try to guess how much more they will need to breathe before they should be concerned it’s their right too.

    But those that do want to do the fact finding and research that contradicts “the experts” are welcome. Hopefully everyone can be respectful at this point.


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  • Sickputer

    ST999 writes:
    “This is what MOX fuel is:
    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf29.html

    I just loved reading the World Nuclear Association spin on the toxic crap. Virtually no mention of problems with plutonium…why it is so benign workers in 1940 were contaminated and all of them lived! The Queen of England was handed a chunk of warm plutonium at an event and look how old she is now. Sheesh!

    One small warning on the page you referenced:

    “Plutonium from reprocessed fuel is usually fabricated into MOX as soon as possible to avoid problems with the decay of short-lived plutonium isotopes. In particular, Pu-241 (half-life 14 years) decays to Am-241 which is a strong gamma emitter, giving rise to a potential occupational health hazard if separated plutonium over five years old is used in a normal MOX plant.”

    But on their link on plutonium itself:

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf15.html

    “Despite being toxic both chemically and because of its ionising radiation, plutonium is far from being “the most toxic substance on Earth” or so hazardous that “a speck can kill”. On both counts there are substances in daily use that, per unit of mass, have equal or greater chemical toxicity (arsenic, cyanide, caffeine) and radiotoxicity (smoke detectors).

    The article continues:

    “In the 1940s some 26 workers at US nuclear weapons facilities became contaminated with plutonium. Intensive health checks of these people have revealed no serious consequence and no fatalities that could be attributed to the exposure. In the 1990s plutonium was injected into and inhaled by some volunteers, without adverse effects. In the 1950s Queen Elizabeth II was visiting Harwell and was handed a lump of plutonium (presumably Pu-239) in a plastic bag and invited to feel how warm it was.

    Plutonium is one among many toxic materials that have to be handled with great care to minimise the associated but well understood risks.”

    SP: Sounds just so damn appealing…just like the cookies grandma used to make!


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  • Cambie

    Even airline flight crews can get about 5mSv per year and several studies show that they have increased cancer. Of course they are adults and know the risk when they take the job, and they aren’t developing children.


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  • shaktasna999

    Sickputer make it easy for us what exactly DO you think you are breathing in 24 hours a day? If not MOX what do you prefer? Which radioactivity type comforts you? You are disproving everything. So tell us…which is it?

    cesium? uranium? plutonium?

    which death will make you happier?


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    • Sickputer

      Perhaps my sarcasm AGAINST the idiots in the nuclear industry in the MOX posting was not understood. I quoted the World Nuclear article not to say it was right, but to show how asinine they are. Maybe I should have been a little more explicit.

      And maybe you think I am dissing Arnie for “disproving” his water table supposition, but there is nobody I respect more than Arnie for his knowledge and convictions and the price he has paid for those convictions.

      I am not trying to “disprove” or show up a man with 30 years fighting the nuclear establishment…but I will not follow any person blindly when we discuss what ifs. That’s what makes a revolution great…free thinkers and no dictators. And I respect your free thinking right to vent even if I think you are 180 degrees off. Peace.


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  • VanneV anne

    I find this ad for MOX fuel in the US extremely scary.

    What Is Mox Fuel Fukushima Weapons Grade Plutonium Uranium Nuclear Power Reactor
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkymS_TUFo

    I almost died of cancer 22 years ago. I don’t wish it for anyone else. It is how it feels to be the walking dead. When someone says, “I am far from a believer in Nuclear,” I find that statement to be very equivocal. I cry for those I know and love. I cry for those I don’t know, especially those innocents who would never hesitate to say that they completely hate everything nuclear, and still will suffer for those who could not and did not completely express their hatred of radiation.


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    • Hey Anne,

      That was informative. The spin “we are getting rid of all that nasty plutonium and providing energy”, how typical.

      Plutonium being a very poisonus by-product of the “cold war”. Best thing to do with it would be to bury it. There idea of building a multi billion dollar facility to grind it up, mix it with enriched uranium then feed it into a forty year old tired reactor designed for enriched uranium only. Why not gas up my 74 Pinto with jet fuel and take it 100mph down the turnpike with fresh safety decal (paid for with a case of beer) from brother-in laws gas station.

      But a lot of time and money has been put into that project. Reality is it will be hard to stop it now.


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  • VanneV anne

    Here is a video on Obama, MOX,Axelrod, Exelon, Areva, and Fukushima

    MOX in America (Video)
    http://www.dcbureau.org/20110510881/video/video-mox-in-america.html


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  • VanneV anne

    Utility says NISA sought ‘plants’ to talk up MOX bid
    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110730a2.html


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  • VanneV anne

    Japan Has Enough Mox Fuel For More than Sixty Nuclear Bombs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQaNZ425kI


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  • Sickputer

    I appreciate ST999 showing me this link…I still can’t believe their shameless chutzpah:

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf15.html

    “Despite being toxic both chemically and because of its ionising radiation, plutonium is far from being “the most toxic substance on Earth” or so hazardous that “a speck can kill”. On both counts there are substances in daily use that, per unit of mass, have equal or greater chemical toxicity (arsenic, cyanide, caffeine) and radiotoxicity (smoke detectors).

    That little idiotic sentence about caffeine being as bad as plutonium on World Nuclear brought to mind
    the asswipe guy we discussed a few weeks ago who said he would eat plutonium in the same amount as Ralph Nader eating caffeine? Bernard Cohen.

    Thre guys for the Hall of Shame for Nuclear Idiots: Bernard Cohen and Don Luckey and their dear departed radioactive colleague Dr. Eric Voice (buried in a lead coffin after injecting his tough little body with radiation to show how safe it was.)

    OK…you nerds at World Nuclear… new challenge….I will sit in a vat of caffeine for as long as you will sit in a vat of plutonium. We will see who comes out with their important organs still functioning after a couple of days. Just keep me in a separate room with 12-inch thick lead walls away from your nuclear flunkie for the next million years. On the other hand…a little shower for me and I will be ready for the tennis courts!


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  • VanneV anne

    Japan – Exploded Nuclear Plant Uses MOX Fuel – Not Uranium! What is that? Just 2 MILLION Times WORSE than Uranium or Chernobyl’s Meltdown!
    http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-exploded-nuclear-plant-uses-mox.html


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  • VanneV anne

    MOX FUEL PRODUCTION STANDARDS, QUALITY CONTROL AND NUCLEAR
    POWER PLANT SAFETY IMPLICATIONS FOR BOILING WATER REACTORS AT
    OSKARSHAMN, SWEDEN
    ….
    THE BNFL MOX SCANDAL…
    http://archive.greenpeace.org/nuclear/transport/mox00/moxqcsweden.pdf


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  • VanneV anne

    Although written in 2001, research against MOX explain much of the problem of reactor #3 using MOX:
    “MOX fuel in Europe is not made from weapons-grade plutonium. There is no wide experience or data to support NRC’s licensing action. We do know that both kinds of plutonium fuel–weapons grade and reactor grade–make reactors harder to control and age them more rapidly and therefore decrease the margin of safety against reactor accidents. In the event of a major core breach accident, plutonium fuel is more deadly than uranium. A Chernobyl style accident at a reactor using 100% MOX fuel could cause as many as double the number of deaths from cancer. Ed Lyman of NCI did this work, and he found that when less plutonium fuel is used, there is still an increase in cancer deaths, proportionate to the percentage of plutonium fuel. One would expect increases in all other radiation impacts as well.
    “The four reactors operated by Duke Power that have been selected for this program have the weakest physical containment structures in the US fleet. Dr. Lyman calls them “tissue paper containment” and one of NRC’s own reports acknowledges that in the event of station black-out there is a 100% chance of core damage and containment failure at the Catawba reactors, and nearly that high a chance at the 2 McGuire reactors. We are calling on NRC to reject these flimsy ice condenser reactors from any further consideration in this program.”
    http://www.energy-net.org/01DEBATE/MOX.HTM


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  • VanneV anne

    This list of failures of Fukushima over the years is very frightening.
    Fukushima leaks: thirty years of accidents, and lies
    http://economicsnewspaper.com/economics/fukushima-leaks-thirty-years-of-accidents-and-lies-12638.html


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  • James2

    For those who are not familiar with Plutonium and Mox – you should watch the Savannah River video showing how they turn weapons grade plutonium into nuke plant fuel.

    The first step is to grind the plutonium into nanometer powder. Let’s go back to school – most everyone knows what a millimeter is – 1/1000th of a meter – a pretty small measure. Then there is the micrometer – which is 1/1,000,000th of a meter. Then you get to a nanometer – 1 Billionth (1/1,000,000,000th) of a meter.

    That’s really small. They grind the plutonium into a powder that is around 40-100 nanometers in diameter. Much, much finer than household dust.

    This is why the MOX is so dangerous. The powder is this pressed and glued into little pellets with Nanometer ground uranium and other components. .

    Guess what happened when the FUKU monster #3 blew sky high? – you got it – nanometer plutonium powder in the air…. Even though plutonium is a very heavy metal. Nanometer powder is so light, it will go everywhere if released.

    Now plutonium is not horrible if you eat it, but it is very very bad if you breathe it. You know how bad Asbestos dust is if you breathe it? Well imagine a few nanometer bits of plutonium lodging in your lungs. Inhaled plutonium is quite deadly in a 3-5 year period in mammals.

    No one in their right mind would tell you that breathing nanometer plutonium is not dangerous.

    So why would anyone in their right mind make fuel out of this stuff? Money of course. It’s a great way to take plutonium from weapons that have already been paid for, and is nearly impossible to dispose of and turn it into something you can sell it back to the public again.

    A true trash to treasure business model – as long as you don’t release it into the atmosphere and contaminate aircraft carriers and commercial jetliners, an entire country, and possibly the entire northern hemisphere.


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