NY Times: “Worrisome” evidence at Fukushima plant — “Latest releases appear to be carrying much more contaminated water than before into Pacific” — Expert: “No precedent for what’s happening… we’re on untrodden ground”

Published: October 25th, 2013 at 10:03 am ET
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New York Times, Oct. 24, 2013: With a plant’s tainted water still flowing, no end to environmental fears […] For months now, it has been hard to escape the continuing deluge of bad news […] new accidents have added to the uncontrolled releases of radioactive materials. […] Those accidents have raised questions about whether the continuing leaks are putting the environment, and by extension the Japanese people, in new danger […] evidence collected by [scientists] and [TEPCO] shows worrisome trends. […] scientists suspect that the new releases are having measurable effects beyond the harbor […] The latest releases appear to be carrying much more contaminated water than before into the Pacific. And that flow may not slow until at least 2015, when an ice wall around the damaged reactors is supposed to be completed. […] So long as such air and water releases continue, experts warn, there will be no end to Fukushima’s slowly unfolding environmental damage. […]

Masashi Kusakabe, a researcher at an institute that has monitored cesium in the ocean for the government: “There is no precedent for what is happening, so we are on untrodden ground.”

See also: [intlink id=”new-york-times-ultimate-worst-case-scenario-underway-at-fukushima-experts-suspect-extreme-contamination-flowing-from-below-melted-reactors-and-into-pacific-would-surpass-even-the-worst-radia” type=”post”]New York Times: Experts suspect intense contamination is seeping out from under melted-down reactors and into Pacific — Will surpass even the leaks from disaster’s early days[/intlink]

Published: October 25th, 2013 at 10:03 am ET
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54 comments to NY Times: “Worrisome” evidence at Fukushima plant — “Latest releases appear to be carrying much more contaminated water than before into Pacific” — Expert: “No precedent for what’s happening… we’re on untrodden ground”

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    The ice wall is believed by many to be a vain attempt, another sham fix.

    Unprecedented ground, indeed.

    The contamination is supposed to reach the aquifer supplying Tokyo with water by next year.

    What, then?

    I'm so glad the one Japanese hero has written to the prospective Olympic athletes to tell them of the danger.

    What will become of the people of Honshu, all of Japan, neighboring Pacific nations, the rest of the Northern Hemisphere? All of life?

    • Sickputer

      Nuclear plant meltdowns are dirty thermonuclear bombs that destroy few structures, but unleash far more deadly fallout than from a military nuclear bomb. Military weapons kill by intense heat and blast compression and while they do leave large amounts of long-lived fallout, they are much less deadly post-blast than a multiple meltdown at a huge commercial power plant.

      Having runaway cores in the ground (or just hot nuclear lava splatter pancakes in the leaky reactor buildings depending on which scenario you believe is more likely) just means one thing…out of control releases with no cheap solution in sight.

      There is no desire by the authorities in Japan to spend money in the amounts needed to cut off the water releases and air emissions at Fukushima Daiichi. And the world governments are also unwilling to donate trillions of dollars nor send millions of international workers to a death trap.

      The educated pro-nuke people must feel pretty sick every morning they wake up and look at their family, knowing they are killing the human race. I have no sympathy for their angst, only for my own family and friends.

      Nobody is going to save your family…take actions of your own as your financial circumstances allow. If you are rich… flee to the Southern Hemisphere with your family. The rest of us will remain On the Beach. Party like 1969. >;->

      • Bones Bones

        I honestly think it comes down to two things and two things only and that is the keeping of power and money (one in the same) in the hands of the Yakuza nuclear mafia and whatever parts of government are left. This will absolutely destroy the economy especially if they keep doing nothing constructive like they are now as they will make Japan worse and worse. Japan was insolvent before the disaster as well as having a declining population. (Who would think about sex now, in a radioactive nightmare?) I don't think they do anything because they are broke and trying to save face in essence riding Japan's coat-tails till it's last gasp of breath. I'd be willing to bet Japan is the first major state this millennium to fall apart like the Soviet Union did. People will die earlier now, old are dying quickly, birth rates below sustainable, there seems to be a lack of respect for love of another human, invisible danger will weaken society further through isolation in homes, lowered intelligence through constant radioactive bombardment = lower economic output, contaminated food and PRODUCTS like TECHNOLOGY nobody wants (I love my Kawi's but I'll be buying European or building custom from now on), JUST PRINT MOARRR MOARRRR BOND BUYING
        BOJ!! et cetera. Kinda ironic that that lust for power and money left the "leaders" with a useless radioactive wasteland being gutted of it's economy. Act like adults for once. That's the profitability of nuclear energy. One thing is…

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          … that progress and its directional decisions has come with a very high price and with much pain and suffering for many millions of human beings living on this planet and soon to be negatively affecting many more and possibly billions of humans living on this planet in the future.

        • ftlt

          Bones good point on the collapse of Japan… At least, the seeming collapse ( As there has been no real Japan for sometime just as there is no longer a USA)

          Will Japan become the nuclear Somalia of the Northern Pacific???

        • ftlt

          Bones: Good point on the collapse of Japan… At least, the seeming collapse ( As there has been no real Japan for sometime just as there has been no a USA)

          Will Japan become the nuclear Somalia of the Northern Pacific???

    • dka

      an ice wall! Let me laugh, what a joke that is.
      It will take a nuclear reactor just for itself to keep Fukushima cold and not blow up.
      And when the next big one hit, both will be exploding.
      Oh man, if this is all they could come up with, this is so odd.
      Tell me, it is suppose to freeze water? but the water coming in won't stop at the wall and wait to become frozen, it will just find a way to continue to flow, water flows, it does not stop against wall by magic.

      It is like constructing a giant pool to put the whole Fukushima reactors site in it.

      • bo bo

        People like to think 'there is a solution to everything'
        I've been getting 'ice wall' talk from NPR types lately – 'sure, of course I'm aware of what is going on in Japan… it is terrible ! But I heard they're building an ice wall, right ?' It's fooling some people into thinking progress is being made, engineers are 'working on it'

    • jk641

      "The contamination is supposed to reach the aquifer supplying Tokyo with water by next year."?

      Could you please tell us where you read that?

  • Naha Johari

    If anyone is familiar with the scifi anime Ghost on the Shell TV series, it may soon become reality, only the tables turned: millions of Nipponjin refugees deluging mainland east Asia. Not only is Shinzo Abe digging a grave for his people by outright lying, his neo-Imperial Army rhetorical bluster will not play out well on the future refugees' acceptance and welfare among peoples who suffered under WWII Japanese occupation. Practice eating humble pie, my dear Japanese friends. You'll need it. Soon.

    • Naha Johari

      I meant Ghost in the Shell.

    • Sickputer

      Unless Korea, China, or Russia agree to accept nuclear refugees (extremely unlikely), they will blow any ships out of their territorial waters. There will be no Japanese Dunkirk unless something very different happens with the current slow death march of the alien isotopes at Fukushima.

      The Miracle of Dunkirk in 1940 saw 330,000 British and French troops saved from the advancing Germans by an improvised sea evacuation over a nine day span. 243 ships were sunk by the Luftwaffe, and over 500 ships survived the trip back to England.

      I seriously doubt there will be a Miracle of Japan.

  • Socrates

    Post- and chronic discharges leave evidence, and this is "worrisome."

    Facts are nasty little things that do not always comport with the views of the editors at NYT. Their business as usual attitudes are pathetic, yet highly destructive. That publication advocated for wars that cost trillions and killed millions. Now they are "worried".about another trillion dollar eco-disaster that threatens the planet. It must have been a slow newsday.

    They cannot blame Muslims or communists for the rapacious greed of the energy companies and captured regulation.

    "Greed is good" is the motto of the Masters of the Universe. Placing profits over safety created this mess, as with Exxon Valdez spill, the BP Gulf spill and the fracking of the colonies….

    This wonton destruction of the environment is NOT "progress." We are in a symbiotic relationship with our environment.

    Only fools can be so blind – making a profit justifies anything in today's world. That is wrongheaded thinking. The achille's heel of capitalism is that socializing risk while privatizing profits is not sustainable – but don't tell them that at the NUTs.

    • Socrates

      The ice wall will stop it. Right!

      Gosh! Some radiation might have gotten past the harbor. Ya' think?

      This is the newspaper of "record?"

      Pulling spent fuel rods and assemblies out of SFPs 3 and 4 units could contaminate the entire Northern Hemisphere, if this has not occured already.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Socrates, or Bhopal, India. Another good example illustrating your point.

      • Socrates

        The government of India entered into a treaty with the US whereby funds from Union Carbide were paid to the government of India rather than to the 20,000 plus victims…..

        The "perps" (Union Carbide execs) walked by being allowed to flee India back to the US.

        The US tort lawyers who were going to sue in the US courts were pre-empted by the Treaty.

        My firm represented thousands of these victims. After the SCOTUS' setting aside the jury verdict by reducing it from 10 billion down to one billion dollars, trial lawyers do not want to get involved in Fukushima.

        There are good toxic tort causes of action that SHOULD be available to victims in Japanand elsewhere….. But after the Exxon-Valdez and Bhopal, who wants to invest millions of dollars and decades of work only to lose money and time with the various sovereign immunity and doctrines of comity – professional courtesy between countries who protect corporate profits rather than their own citizens.

        Protecting profits can be seen by actions of PM Abe and the Obama Administration. Lots of luck on that since big energy bankrolls campaigns.

    • "We are in a symbiotic relationship with our environment."
      – Socrates

      That message should be taught to every child from birth.

      🙁 We have lost, or been trained to ignore, this seemingly simple 'prime directive'.

      • Socrates

        True capitalism would take into account the true costs of an industry. That means full legal liability for all damages. The treat of punitive damages in an effective deterrent superior to any regulation which can be offshored or captured….

        Deterrent means a thing that discourages or is entended to discourage domeone from doing something as a disincentive. Our governments encourage use of nuclear energy and allow corporations to place profits over safety. Regulation can be bought off in mosy instances and there is no tort liability – Catholicism without Hell is capitalism without being help financially liable – commit any sin or business crime and still get your bonus. This is endemic for the protection of the elites' financial advantage over ordinary people.

        Instead of compensating the people, the "descent from heaven" and the "revolving door" enable risk externalization and privatization of profits.

        Symbiosis is evident with government and corporate campaign donors, but not as to environmentalism where it is an immutable law of the Universe.

        You can't fool Mother Nature but you can fool all of the people some of the time…(Honest Abe said that, not the Abe eho promotes the 2030 Olympics.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          how did capitalism and usury become inseparably linked? Pooling a bunch of money, call them trading coupons, or bamboo poles, allows a group to accomplish big things, to build a big shelter. Thats great. Instead its a system where a few can squeeze a drop of blood from the many which gets used for more exploitation. Any system would work if the people were naturally ethical. None of them will work if the people are pea brained, sly and tricky.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Yes, we pollute and irradiate our environment. It will do the same for us.

  • Sol Man

    Considering the vast collection of tanks and the ocean being downhill, the winds, and pouring rain, perhaps the earth moving- a Domino Effect may be a problem.

  • weeman

    How do you build a centrifuge that can handle 500 tons of contaminated water, as far as I have read this is a way to remove isotopes, maybe a better way than ice wall, all methods should be employed and don't put all the radioactive eggs in one basket.
    Ice wall is useless unless you can freeze the ground below plant and around plant and install a closed loop system to cool?

  • pkjn

    Human rights experts rap U.N. report on Fukushima radiation
    OCT 25, 2013 The Japan Times
    Human rights experts, including a U.N. special rapporteur, are criticizing a U.N. scientific report dismissing concerns about the effects of radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster on the Japanese public.
    Speaking Thursday at an event organized by U.S. and Japanese nongovernmental groups, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to health Anand Grover took issue with the report’s conclusion that “there is nothing to worry about” for members of the public exposed to radiation from Fukushima.
    The report was prepared by the U.N. Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation.
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/10/25/national/human-rights-experts-rap-u-n-report-on-fukushima-radiation/#.UmqnLHB7KSq

  • The Ice Wall? This is all just talk. The radiation is bleeding into the Pacific now. Have they even started construction? Arnie Gunderson suggested diverting the groundwater above the melt throughs. That way clean mountain water can be diverted to the ocean before it hits the Fukushima radiation. This doesn't require new technology just money which Arnie admits they don't want to spend.
    This is not ignorance. This is a decision made by smart people. Psychopathic, criminally insane smart people. There is a financial angle here that makes it better for them not to spend the money needed to stop the radiation flow into the Pacific. Please review this picture. http://enenews.com/japan-journalist-melted-nuclear-fuel-sank-into-the-ground-under-fukushima-reactors-the-irradiated-groundwater-flows-into-ocean-through-sea-bottom-springs-its-too-late-to-do-anything-about-t

    Technology wise it should be easy to dam an underground river but expensive!

    • or-well

      Mark, you are quite correct.
      Even if there's no "river', just flow thru geo strata, we have the tech to divert entire rivers and excavate mountains.
      They could even drill hundreds or thousands of holes mere meters apart and pump.
      Bottom line, the upland flow could be stopped.
      Bottom line, THIS particular aspect is about money.

      • About money and more. The spectacle of a massive engineering project to divert an underground mountain river and the public knowledge of the huge money involved and who would pay for it the ensuing bankrupcy of TEPCO, defaulting billions of loans troubling the international banking community and having to answer Why? are you spending so much money, would have to have an answer outlining the danger of bio-accumulation, the loss of a world community food source, an accurate description of various isotopes what bequerols micro seiverts cpm decay half life. Would they even mention the dreaded P word? Plutonium and alpha radiation and internal emitters vs external emitters. The underlying factors are explained in this video.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHnnUwQPW24 Think you will like it, or-well.

        • or-well

          yeah, good interview.
          They both understand their "roles" in the "event", but Brand can break out of his and Jeremy can't.
          Brand is fast(!) as well as articulate and keeps insisting on making it real, while "playing" the role he knows is expected.
          Quite impressive.

  • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

    Didn't know where to throw this:

    7.5 off of Japan, 1 meter tsunami to hit Fukushima

    via RT

    http://rt.com/news/japan-earthquake-tsunami-honshu-748/

    Expletive, expletive, expletive

  • Cindy

    I hope nothing Toppled !! I also hope this is not a foreshock…. We'll know in an hour or so…

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    USGS will send free email alerts for world or regional earthquakes with magnitudes of your choosing, such as below just a few minutes ago for the 7.3 Honshu EQ and unit 4 shaker:

    == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

    Region: OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
    Geographic coordinates: 37.194N, 144.663E
    Magnitude: 7.3
    Depth: 10 km
    Universal Time (UTC): 25 Oct 2013 17:10:16
    Time near the Epicenter: 26 Oct 2013 03:10:17
    Local standard time in your area: 25 Oct 2013 09:10:16

    Location with respect to nearby cities:
    325 km (201 mi) ESE of Ishinomaki, Japan
    326 km (202 mi) E of Namie, Japan
    331 km (205 mi) SE of Ofunato, Japan
    333 km (206 mi) ESE of Yamoto, Japan
    475 km (294 mi) ENE of Tokyo, Japan

    ADDITIONAL EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS
    ________________________________
    event ID : us c000kn4n

    This is a computer-generated message and has not yet been reviewed by a
    seismologist.
    For subsequent updates, maps, and technical information, see:
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000kn4n
    or
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/

    National Earthquake Information Center
    U.S. Geological Survey
    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/neic/

  • Fukushima – The many parallel crises

    – One is the spreading radioactive CONTAMINATION and related ecological and health consequences.

    – Another is that of government and industry gross INEPTITUDE in the prevention (when possible) and mitigation of disasters, bordering on criminality. Not exclusive to Japan. We ourselves are familiar with it.

    – Yet another story is that of government instigation of – or complicity with – COVER UPS and the use of serious intimidation of media and whistleblowers. Again, not exclusive to Japan.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    REUTERS: Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's government is planning a state secrets act that critics say could curtail public access to information on a wide range of issues, including tensions with China and the Fukushima nuclear crisis.

    "Basically, this bill raises the possibility that the kind of information about which the public should be informed is kept secret eternally," Tadaaki Muto, a lawyer and member of a task force on the bill at the Japan Federation of Bar Associations, told Reuters.

    Read more – http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-japan-secrecy-idUSBRE99N1EC20131025

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    http://ottersandsciencenews.blogspot.ca/

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    There's no accepted connection yet between solar eruptions and earthquakes, but we are today having both active EQ activity and sunspot eruptions and ejections. Here's my free spaceweather.c solar activity email:

    Space Weather News for Oct. 25, 2013
    http://spaceweather.com

    GLOBAL SOLAR ACTIVITY: Solar activity is high and intensifying. This morning, new sunspot AR1882 unleashed an X1-class solar flare. The flare was bracketed by two erupting magnetic filaments–an ensemble of explosions that involved more than half of the solar disk. For more information on these blasts and possible Earth-effects, visit http://spaceweather.com

    SOLAR FLARE ALERTS: Would you like a call when solar flares are underway? X-flare alerts are available from http://spaceweathertext.com (text) and http://spaceweatherphone.com (voice).

    You are subscribed to the Space Weather mailing list, a free service of Spaceweather.com: http://spaceweather.com/services/ .

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    And just now a 7.3 follow-on Honshu EQ of 'only' 5.1, but suggestive of ongoing, increased activity:

    http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/?filter=no&min_mag=5&view=1

  • ftlt

    There is some reason to believe that the dynamics of climate change may cause earthquakes and other geological events..

    Certainly, we know, the mantle is yet rebounding from the weights applied to it by the massive ice sheets from the last ice age/s..

    Add to this, a quick on-set global geological temperature adjustments and there you go – an expansion process.. Crack, pop and boom…

    Mother Nature is at work always… Making nuclear power so stupid!!!

  • VyseLegendaire VyseLegendaire

    The NYTimes actually posted a somewhat relevant article to real news events. I'm ::shocked::.

    This doesn't mean they didn't couch and downplay and in essence whitewash the whole thing though.

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