Rapid meltdown happened at Reactors No. 2 and 3 — Indicated by black smoke at No. 3

Published: May 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm ET
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Work to Continue at Japan Plant Despite Release of Meltdown Details, Hiroko Tabuchi for The New York Times, May 17, 2011:

[... TEPCO] now acknowledges that a fuel meltdown occurred at three of the plant’s six reactors in the early hours of the crisis, something experts had been suggesting for weeks. [...]

Tokyo Electric in the past week has released data that show that the fuel rods at the three most damaged reactors started to melt down rapidly after the site was jolted by a quake at 2:46 p.m. on March 11 [...]

[A]n uncontrolled meltdown had begun, as fuel started to slump to the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel. [...]

The company says meltdown also happened at Reactors No. 2 and 3. [...]

Meltdowns also likely occurred at No. 2, No. 3 reactors of Fukushima plant, Asahi Shimbun, May 18, 2011:

[Fumiya Tanabe, a former senior researcher at what was then the government-affiliated Japan Atomic Energy Research Institute] said black smoke from the No. 3 reactor building in the days after the earthquake and available data on pressure showed early on that a meltdown had taken place.

From March 23rd: Black smoke billows from No. 3 containing plutonium — “We don’t know the reason” (PHOTO)

Published: May 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm ET
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34 comments to Rapid meltdown happened at Reactors No. 2 and 3 — Indicated by black smoke at No. 3

  • 1111

    very recent damaged nuke plant video upload – activity appears rather casual – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcHiuqDDkWQ&feature=player_embedded


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    • Steven

      That looks about right… playing computer games while their mates repaint what’s left of the buildings… grab a shovel Nobu (look that one up lol) and get your backside down that hole.


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  • Anthony

    Oh so what they are saying is the buildings slash reactors FAILED in the quake, hence possibly, the defense out of the blue from GE defending their designs. As TEPCO is being dragged to the truth two months later, they are going down fighting, perhaps GE and others, but hopefully not instead of being focused on the meltdowns. This is because they really have to sh*t or get off the pot at this very moment… its being forced to a head I think. They cant just stand around with fire-hoses during a criticality – they will have to flee for their lives – that moment is approaching isn’t it?


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    • extra knight

      yes. there isn’t alot to go on here, but your point holds much validity and is one of concern. it is doubtful at this point they can save or adequately cool the spent fuel rod pools. let alone empty the pools. yes this is going to be an ongoing and enormous problem for TEPCO also.


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      • ZombiePlanet

        I watch as many sit on the edge of their keyboards, while drooling, over the next tidbit of leaked data, from those that control such.

        Like a play-by-play moment, as a school bus falls over the cliff, with screaming all about.

        Then… the next bite comes across the wire, Oh! … only to reenergize the cries and proclamations of those that view the tragedy, and cry, “how can this be!”

        I shall cry out and point a finger, and profess, “ there is the villain… and “here may be the answer” as the story unfolds.

        Little attention is placed where it counts.
        What have I done to prepare, for this day.

        You have been deceived and lead to a grave that you did not anticipate.
        The only thing you are guilty of is, complacency, self-gratification and an entertain-me-now mentality.

        Oh, it’s not my fault, that’s the way I was raised.

        In the end result, you may have only failed yourself.

        The destiny of a zombie.


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    • Godzilla

      There have been little criticalities all along. I don’t think it’s a given that there might be a huge one, since all this time the corium’s been mixing with other stuff and hopefully will spread out some. It might be a bit different with #3 since that’s the one with the plutonium mixed in, but I don’t know for sure what’s going to happen to any of them – I’m not a nuclear engineer, just repeating some things I’ve read.


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  • anne

    More nuclear reactor shutdowns lie ahead

    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20110518n1.html

    “Ten reactors were idled or damaged after the quake and tsunami, accounting for 18 percent of nuclear capacity. By August 40 out of 54 reactors in the country, the world’s third-biggest user of atomic energy, will be shut down unless units idled for maintenance are brought back online.”


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  • Anthony

    Distant rocky planet ‘could be future human home’
    Agence France Presse By L.Calcada | AFP News – Mon, 16 May, 2011

    “”A rocky world orbiting a nearby star has been confirmed as the first planet outside our solar system to meet key requirements for sustaining life, scientists said on Monday.”"

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/distant-rocky-planet-could-future-human-home-135740691.html

    Interesting timing….


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    • anne

      Of course, we could never survive the radiation in space trying to get there.


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      • Anthony

        Maybe we can stand more radiation than we thought!!!! Maybe we have been altered by 311, accidentally of course, and now – or very soon – will be able to make the journey and acclimatize smoother. My head hurts now….


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    • Poor Daddy

      I used to love it here. I don’t want to move!


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    • Steven

      “A spaceship travelling close to light speed would take more than 20 years to get there, while our present rocket technology would take 300,000 years.”…. by the time we get there, it’ll be almost safe to come back.

      Erm…. maybe.


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    • Misanthrope

      “”A rocky world orbiting a nearby star has been confirmed as the first planet outside our solar system to meet key requirements for sustaining life, scientists said on Monday.”

      One of those requirements being the absence of humans.


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      • Cassie

        Misanthrope:
        Bingo, once we arrive, it will not be an inhabitable planet for long.
        If the Galactic Federation is smart, they will put us Earthlings in
        quarantine. :(
        Cassie


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  • Poor Daddy

    Info is trickling out finally. Maybe just because they can’t keep a lid on doomsday, but maybe, just maybe all the letters, calls, emails, etc. we have sent have given a little push in the right direction. Please keep it up, in fact, lets kick it up a notch!


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  • Heart of the Rose

    Heart of the Rose
    April 25, 2011 – 6:25 am
    Dear Bob,

    Other than reported fish kills ,there is no way to track this at this time.
    The BP/Gov has done an effective job convincing the public, and (which I find suprising) the scientific community, that the well is fixed.
    BP/Gov will not admit the use of dipersant.
    Therefore there is nothing to look for.
    A majority of Loop Current is not reaching across to Europe and hasn’t since the date in Dr. Zangari’s analysis.
    I suspect a large amount of oil/corexit is dumping and remaining in the mid-Atlantic.
    What portion of the loop that does continue across the Atlantic will carry it around the world.
    The RSOE posted Louisiana as an epidemic hazard.
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?edis=EH-20110422-30425-USA.
    Yet there are no announcements locally.
    The list goes on.
    The introduction of synthetic bacteria and it’s effects are also not being researched properly.
    http://www.syntheticmotoroils.org/meet-synthia-synthetic-lifeform-geonome-single-strand-sequencing-bp-gulf-oil-spill.html
    This bacteria eats carbons.

    The question is ..will the bacteria be “choosy” enough to quit eating carbon when it enters the human body. Carbon being the majorative of composition of the human body.
    This should be a huge issue.
    There have been no tests as to the effects of this bacteria on the human body,no studies as to whether it will mutate. Several ingredients in the Corexit/oil are known to cause genetic mutation. Will this have an effect on this bacteria? No studies have been done concerning whether or not this is an invasive species.
    http://www.syntheticmotoroils.org/meet-synthia-synthetic-lifeform-geonome-single-strand-sequencing-bp-gulf-oil-spill.html
    1 to 1.5 meters per second…thank you for this estimate.

    HR

    This is part of a conversation I had on another log…PROVING I can speak in more than two sentances at a time..lol.
    The loop current is broken.
    http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-cur-0-large-rundate=latest.
    See Dr.Zangari’s work.
    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/628/186/Oil_Slick_at_Platform_23051_Site,_Gulf_of_Mexico.html
    The true condition of the GOM ..another unspeakable truth.


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    • Anthony

      So good to share – about Louisana, called Deepwater Horizon Syndrome
      Description: A Louisiana physician says he’s seeing an array of mysterious illnesses in Gulf Coast residents and clean-up workers. Dr. Mike Robichaux, an ENT based in Raceland, Louisiana, he’s seeing a wide array of people with almost identical symptoms, including severe memory loss, very high blood pressure spikes, fluctuating blood sugar levels, pulmonary problems and gastrointestinal issues. Robichaux says he’s treated around 60 patients with a combo of the symptoms. He believes that many more are suffering, and that the illnesses are caused by contact with oil and disperant.

      Its official….


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      • Heart of the Rose

        I offer a bit more of that exchange…to bring about to topic.

        Heart of the Rose
        April 23, 2011 – 10:19 am
        Fukushima=2000 atomic bombs
        I think this is the most accurate estimate so far.One through four reactors is coring down. Five though six are in cold storage but will not be able to be maintained and eventually will melt down.
        Some of us that are researching the BP oil spill are of the opinion that the seafloor was damaged in and attempt to fix the well and the geological disruption is on-going.Exposure to hydrocarbon toxins (nearly 200)is assumed on-going as well. To this add Corexit in it’s various chem. comp. Corexit is still being applied daily to hide the effects of the spill.
        This dispersant is applied in many ways including aerial.
        Add to this the chems being used for weather modification and HAARP.
        Now,apply radiation.
        Thanks for listening as to why my head hurts…literally and figuratively.Heart of the Rose
        April 23, 2011 – 10:19 am
        Fukushima=2000 atomic bombs
        I think this is the most accurate estimate so far.One through four reactors is coring down. Five though six are in cold storage but will not be able to be maintained and eventually will melt down.
        Some of us that are researching the BP oil spill are of the opinion that the seafloor was damaged in and attempt to fix the well and the geological disruption is on-going.Exposure to hydrocarbon toxins (nearly 200)is assumed on-going as well. To this add Corexit in it’s various chem. comp. Corexit is still being applied daily to hide the effects of the spill.
        This dispersant is applied in many ways including aerial.
        Add to this the chems being used for weather modification and HAARP.
        Now,apply radiation.
        Thanks for listening as to why my head hurts…literally and figuratively.
        HR

        April 25, 2011 – 6:26 pm
        Dear Heart,

        Very, very little scholarly work has ever been done on the synergistic effect of Radiation and various chemical poisons. However, the Multiplier effect is rather large.

        When tiny pieces of ceramicized or burned uranium enter cells of the body they are drawn like a magnet to the phosphate structure called the cell’s DNA.

        There, inside the cell, melded to the DNA, it attracts medical X-rays and the odd passing Cosmic Ray alike and Multiplies them times the “Z Number” of Uranium to the 4th Power.

        Heart, the Z Number is the Atomic Mass number of Uranium. To save you the trouble of looking it up, just Google: “Z Number” + Uranium just like that, with the quotes. This is basic nuclear physics, Heart. Now Multiply it to the 4th power.

        Yesssss. 92 x 92 x 92 x 92 = 71,639,296 A rather majestic Multiplier, isn’t it?

        That, Dear Heart of the Rose, is what the foolish self-styled Lords of the Universe have unleashed on Earth.

        May they all serve long terms in prison for Crimes Against Humanity, Suffer and be Punished and then Hang for killing many of us.

        Bob


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  • Radigan

    Congratulations, NYT, for being two months late with the scoop. Baby, you’re the best. Aren’t you the same outfit that knew 10 years ago what happened at Ground Zero in Manhattan was a nuclear event, and never let us in on it? If you couldn’t even report what happened right down the street, WHY NOW FUKUSHIMA?


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  • There are only 38 days or less until the fuel sustains a full-scale fission criticality. The boron, (which stops nuclear fission from occurring) will have exceeded its lifespan by this time…
    Tepco had already made a request as of march to evacuate the reactors. Though they are being forced to see it until the end by the Japanese government. God bless their souls. As it surely is a death mission.

    The first death was reported on Friday. Meaning, that the situation is already well beyond cataclysmic. In all reality, the worlds biggest dirty bomb will be released in no more than 38 days…

    Tepco will likely evacuate the site between the dates: June 16th – June 28th…

    “This is because boron is limited and can no longer sustain its self within the current settings”.

    Meaning: the fuel will release amounts of neutrons in such excess that the boron “in any quantity” will be now be unable to capture enough neutrons to stop a criticality.

    At this time neutrons will begin to react against atoms, leading to a spike in temperatures exceeding any known cooling process… The fuel will then go core through the floor, and reach the water table in no less than 1-6 hours…

    At that time the fuel will both be released in atmospheric and oceanic / form. Plaguing Japan first and foremost. I presume that over 100,000- 10,000,000 deaths will be attributed to the event alone. Japan will likely be forced to abandon the main island entirely within that time.

    The continental united states will see the radiation within 2 days. The radiation will sweep across the northwest, as far north as Vancouver canada, and as far south as new mexico. The main area’s to be astray from are seattle through sandiego. The radiation will likely be 350 – 800cmp. (fyi 200cpm is when you should run indoors)…

    This will continue as a global norm for at least two months, at that time reactors 5 and 6 will likely begin the path to china syndrome. If you are in a temporary fallout shelter, by august, you should be planning to find a more permanent location to settle…

    Come November, the situation will likely start over again, now reaching 1000cpm or more. It will be anywhere up to a century for the initial radiation plumes to settle… The 600,000 spent fuel rods, will likely contaminate the entire planet killing 45% or more, of life on earth…

    “Once the reaction from neutrons has dwindled to a 100-300 cpm internationally”; The biological life forms will begin to emerge from the now very few uncontaminated portions of the planet… Though human dna will likely be mutated, and lifespans will be lowered to 20 – 44 years old in adult males, and 25 – 50 years old in Adult females.


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    • stanleyipresume

      Tacomagroove,

      The China Syndrome scenario you outline is highly unlikely. I welcome you (or anyone else) to post this scenario at one of the most well-informed forums discussing this issue:

      http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=480200&page=503

      Yes it’s a very serious situation. And FWIW I’m exceedingly anti-nuclear. But your post betrays a lack of understanding of the science, so putting doomsday scenarios out there that some will take seriously serves no positive purpose, especially since–sooner or later–you will be discredited and by association other more reasonable anti-nuke voices as well.

      Never mind unnecessarily scaring people, but that may well have been your intention all along.


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  • Jean Tanner

    As late as 10 days ago TEPCO was trying to downplay the issue.

    Japan: New Smoke At Nuclear Plant, CBS, May 8, 2011:
    …“Steam is coming out from the spent fuel pool of the No. 3 and No. 4 reactors, and I’m assuming that due to shadows created by lighting, the steam appeared black. Therefore, we assessed that it’s not smoke from something burning or that sort of thing,” TEPCO’s General Manager, Junichi Matsumoto reassured reporters at the press conference. …


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  • Dr.Stranglelove

    Holely Smoking Reactors, Batman!


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