NYTimes: 400 tons of highly radioactive water going into Pacific each day from Fukushima plant, says Tepco — Top Nuclear Regulator: This is a crisis

Published: August 7th, 2013 at 3:14 am ET
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Title: New Leaks Into Pacific at Japan Nuclear Plant
Source: New York Times
Author: Martin Fackler, Matthew L. Wald
Date: August 6, 2013 at ~11:00p ET
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Tons of contaminated groundwater from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have overwhelmed an underground barrier and are emptying daily into the Pacific, creating what a top regulator has called a crisis.

The water contains strontium and cesium [...]

“Tepco lacks a sufficient sense of urgency for this crisis,” Shinji Kinjo, a high-level official at the country’s nuclear regulatory watchdog, said Tuesday in an interview. [...]

Tepco now says the groundwater is emptying into the plant’s man-made harbor at a rate of 400 tons a day [...] While the company did not specifically say how much of the water was contaminated, it offered a calculation for the amount of tritium being released that assumed all of the water was contaminated.

[...]  some critics contend that the plant has emitted far more radioactive materials than it is saying, based in part on levels of contaminants discovered in the harbor [...]

Mr. Kinjo [...] said that the levels of contamination in the water that had collected in the reactor buildings was too low to account for the radiation levels seen in the groundwater now flowing into the ocean [...]

The most likely source appears to be pools of highly radioactive water that collected in the plant’s maze of underground conduits [...]

See also: Study: Entire food web — including humans — may be affected as Fukushima radionuclides spread to West Coast

Published: August 7th, 2013 at 3:14 am ET
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153 comments to NYTimes: 400 tons of highly radioactive water going into Pacific each day from Fukushima plant, says Tepco — Top Nuclear Regulator: This is a crisis

  • kez

    Fox News 888 369 4762
    MSNBC 212 664 4444
    CNN 404 827 1500
    Opt 1

    LA Times 213 237 5000
    Barbara Boxer 559 497 5109
    Diane Feinstein 202 224 3841

    Wyden 202 224 5244

    DOE 202 586 5000
    Secy State 202 647 4000


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    …really?…what a surprise!…


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  • Yukio_Tanukio

    What do Barbra Boxer, Diane Feinstein, John Kerry, and Ron Wyden all have in common?


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  • kez

    Hi Yukio.

    I just lost another YOUNG friend to cancer yesterday .. so ..

    Gotta warn you I get very cranky when Fukushitty threatens my west coast life again. And no one here does any fucking thing but run around in circles whine and try to sound smart (or smart ass) to a VERY SMALL audience who also does NOYHING.

    So really?

    Just a short list of phone numbers you might consider calling to make some activist noise ..

    Instead of just a Chicken Little Whine here under a very thin veneer of educating.

    Get off your ass and post other suggestions if you have them.

    I will call.


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    • eatliesndie eatliesndie

      What happens here in "comments" means different things to different people…it's all valid…


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      • combomelt combomelt

        Its VITAL to continue the work ene has strived to continue on this site. I've spoken my mind about fuckinshitty over and over to everyone I come into contact with, but the end result is absolute ostracism. People do not want to hear it and think Im the crazy one for saying "Dont eat the tuna". I was invited out to sushi dinner the other night, only as a joke by my friends when they asked "where should we go" and they all in unison said "SUSHI" as a joke. I said no thank you without saying anything about fuckinshitty for the umpteenth time, then they all laughed and STILL went for the raw poison. Theres only so many times you can say something before people practically dont even reconize my presence. SAD. I will keep talking about it tho. SO Sick how brainwashed the ostriches really are.


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        • KDM KDM

          You've tried to educate and warn them, that's all you can do. It's up to them to take it serious or not. Most people have to experience things for themselves to learn. In this case, the effects that will be experienced may be a fatal lesson learned.


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        • Ourself Ourself

          I can relate. I know so many people who eat sushi and tuna constantly. As much as I love those two things, I will never eat them again. You can't even tell them because, as you've shown, they will make a joke out of it. They won't be laughing when they get cancer. I will, though.


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        • We Not They Finally

          combomelt, I know there are better friends for you out there! Sometimes my husband and I approach complete strangers and it is astounding how receptive seemingly ordinary people can be.

          On the other hand, we could not dissuade our own niece from taking a pleasure trip to Japan, "having a wonderful time," and ignoring our every caution. I don't know if I will ever talk to her again in this life; and that is really more pain than anger speaking.

          Just remember that your dignity lies in where YOU stand, and that is more important than what others think. Keep broadcasting that, and may others who are awake and aware gravitate to YOU. Good luck!


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      • andagi andagi

        Dear eatliesndie,
        '…it's all valid…' -Absolutely!!
        Folks, keep reading, posting and sharing ENENews -generating change worldwide, 24/7! Go Newswes!
        Aloha.


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    • razzz razzz

      Kez: You are going to have to carry the load since you know it all. What are uneducated little people going to say when they call or write to authorities? You do the talking.


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      • Teddi Teddi

        Everywhere I post, I try to present concern over this situation and raise awareness. At the very least send people to this site to engage the info which is not being presented by the MSM leftist press – despite their supposed affection for all things environmental.

        I've also taken to writing emails to those who might be able to raise attention levels. Every little bit helps…


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      • kez

        Hi Razzz,

        I made my phone calls this morning; it's actually a very simple script and does not require a PhD in Nuc Physics. So yes then .. thank you for putting the weight of the world on my shoulders. And also BTW YOU ARE ALL WELCOME that I personally and solely saved Planet Earth with what took about 20 minutes of my time.

        The script to Ms Boxer and Ms Feinstein: you ask to leave a message for the Senator. "I have followed the disaster in Fukushima Japan for 2 1/2 years. I am very concerned about the highly radioactive contaminated water being released into the Pacific Ocean. Japan has this week declared it a crisis and emergency. I feel this needs to be addressed immediately."

        They (the aide) says "I will give your message to the Senator." They usually ask for you zip code.

        (In this case Boxer has been vocal abt Fuku; Feinstein has not. I still call them both.)

        I am neither stupid or naive abt this phone call. If I am this only "nut" in the nation to call w this message .. then I have lost abt 5 to 10 minutes of my time. If 50 or 100 or 1000 folks call it will cross their desk.

        Same w Sen Wyden except I have to say he is not my Sen but I appreciate that he has been most visible and vocal re Fuku and we share the same coast. Again my one little message means not much except a prayer but a few hundred a day will get his attention. (Cont)


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      • kez

        With the LATimes: same concern abt the contamination but actually adding my concern that I don't see any CA newspapers carrying the story. Especially since we are the target.

        W the LATimes today I actually was transferred to a reporter person. When I told him Japan had just this week declared it a crisis, he said "thank you. We will look into it." Once again, I am neither stupid nor naive that my little message will be "here I come to save the day".. but say 20 folks called the paper a day ..

        Secy State phone rang rang gave busy signal and dropped my call.

        DOE: (and let me add some humor here) Ring Ring. "Hello, Dept of Energy" .. Um I am concerned citizen .. um .. I have .. um serious concerns abt the Fuku NPP and the radioactive water leaking into the Pacific .. um. "What department do you need to speak to?" Umm .. I don't know all your departments .. um .. nuclear power I guess. "Transferring" ring ring .. "the voice mail belonging to ext XXX is full. Transferring your call to adminstrative aide at ext xxx." (Which left me wondering who the f I was transferred to) "the party at ext xxx is not available please leave a msg."

        I felt more empowered then: My name is yada and i live in bla bla. I have followed the crisis at Fuku NPP for 2 1/2 years and have grave concerns abt the new state of crisis declared by Japan regarding extremely irradiated water being dumped in Pacific. I am deeply disappointed in my govt's response both in information to…


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      • kez

        … the public and in an international response to remediate. Thank you. And my zip code is xxxxx."

        I had to work so did not call CNN (which actually broadcast a report yesterday abt Fuku water) MSNBC or Fox. I usually call my state senator also; he's not very powerful in this area but professes a desire to hear from us.. nice folks there.

        So thank you for allowing me to be your spokesperson Razzz even tho I know your remark was smart assing me. I hope I served you well.

        Hope others take up the torch.


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    • vital1 vital1

      This flyer has managed to quickly educate, and reach lots of people. Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf or create your own, hand it out, mailbox it, or email it.

      http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf


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    • jec jec

      My daughter has cancer, call and call again.


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    • We Not They Finally

      kez, very sorry about the loss of your friend. But shocked at your cursing out people who genuinely care and share valuable insights into the current disaster. That's a bad thing to do to mostly very good people.


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      • kez

        Hi WeNotTheyFinally,

        Thank you for condolences sincerely.

        I don't know what to say except I disagree abt shocking folks into some activism. I am a teacher. I can lecture my kids into narcolepsy w what I consider valuable life lessons.

        At some point they must actually use that wisdom to change their lives and their world.

        I will certainly not profess to have taught this collaborative anything abt Fukushitty.

        But in my heart I believe the messgae must be taught w a means to propose an effective end. At least more effective to the next gens than "it's over, do nothing, prepare to die."

        Not just a bridge or chess game or coffee shop or (brrrr) shuffleboard discussion.

        Take care.


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  • razzz razzz

    Hanford is invisible.

    From the article: "An American expert, Kathryn A. Higley, the head of the department of nuclear engineering and radiation health physics at Oregon State University, said the amount of strontium being released was “small potatoes” in absolute terms and in relation to that released early in the accident." I wonder how Katy knows how much strontium was released early on from Daiichi? All the fallout releases are based on blind estimates. No hard data. The US stopped air monitoring at the same time.

    Can't help but wonder if all this media attention from the usually nuclear whores is going to be an attempt to raise money internationally to fund Daiichi, like Chernobyl. This is going to be more expensive with 3 melted missing cores.


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  • Wooster

    If it's this bad and they are telling us, just how bad is the stuff they AREN'T telling us??


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    Relax, everyone that was alarmed by the recent headlines will now read that experts agree with Tepco’s assessment that the amounts of radioactive material released into the Pacific during this crisis have been too small to pose a risk to human health. Experts like Kathryn Higley. Guess Teddi was right, I was just a leftist alarmist. Miss-informed conspiracy nut. Whacko tree huggin moron, Toad kissin burned out hippie peanut head in need of meds. I can admit it now


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  • Wooster

    I have heard several times recently that the risk to human health from the Fukushima radioactivity releases into the sea is neglible due to "dilution".

    Apparently even if all of the four plants fall into the sea and release ALL of the possible radioactivity, there will be no threat to health as it will be "diluted".

    That assumes, of course, that the radioactivity is EVENLY DISTRIBUTED throughout the Pacific – that ain't gonna happen.

    It also assumes that there will be no currents taking radioactivity and creating specific hotspots – that ain't gonna hgappen.

    It also assumes that the dilution would happen immediately – that ain't gonna happen

    It also assumes that whilst the radioactivity is being evenly distributed no sealife will come into contact with high doses and be eaten – that ain't gonna happen.

    It also assumes that… well you know the rest.

    DON'T LET THEM GET AWAT WITH THIS BS.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Even TEPCO's Government critics miss the obvious:
    The contamination isn't coming from buildings, nor from reactor cooling water flowing out of broken containment vessels. The groundwater is flowing through corium lava tubes under the plant, and becomes highly contaminated from contact with corium debris in the ground under the plant's buildings.

    Perhaps TEPCO should be required to actually sample the groundwater flowing into the harbor, test for isotopes, and release these measurements to the public, rather then merely running calculations. The public will be able to figure out on our own which amounts of radiation are too small to pose much risk to human health, and which are endangering the entire Pacific Ocean biosphere.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      They stated in this release that they think the water is accumulating from the pools? All I know is that there are at least 3 coriums out of containment and underground thus it doesn't really matter where the water is coming from as we know it is heavily contaminated. I wonder how much subsidence is occurring due to the weight of all the stored water. Have they done an analysis of subsidence since the earthquake?


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Moonshellblue, you are so right. :)
        The groundwater flows into the site, flows over, under, around, and through nuclear corium debris. Because TEPCO clings to this fantasy, that all nuclear debris are contained inside the reactor buildings:

        http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201109018578

        (Caught you, TEPCO.)

        Why is there no water inside Containment Vessels?
        Why is there no corium inside Containment Vessels?
        Because the melted fuel in the mudrock under Reactors1,2,&3.
        Come clean, TEPCO. We've all seen the endoscope videos.

        TEPCO is always surprised to find that…
        Groundwater contamination is much higher than expected.
        Water contamination in the harbor is much higher than expected.
        Pacific Ocean contamination is much higher than expected.
        Contamination of fish taken from the Pacific Ocean is much higher than expected.
        Contamination of fish taken from the Pacific Ocean far away from Fukushima is much higher than expected.
        Heavy contamination of fish taken from the Pacific Ocean is lasting much longer than epected.
        TEPCO has destroyed the Pacific Ocean Fishing Industry.
        (So much for "Preserving Shareholder Value".)
        "Cold shutdown" was (and is) a damn lie.
        Be real, TEPCO.
        Or, go away.
        BTW, and close and decommission all your nukes.
        Let the law suits begin. ;)


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    • We Not They Finally

      PUN, maybe the Japanese critics don't "miss" the melted-through coriums. They just don't SAY it because it is terrifying and irreversible! It's the LAST thing they want to be spelling out.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    PhillipUpNorth,
    Probably best that we all prepare for the worst since others are rapidy preparing..
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/fema-demanding-24-hour-delivery-of-emergency-food-reserves.html

    It may be determined that the only recourse is to Nuke this entire complex and vaporize it all in one fell swoop and just be done with it.

    Of course the Island of Japan just might slip away into the ocean but then that is a very small price to pay for…Nuclear electricity that is just/simply to cheap to meter!

    Then we can all get back to those important AROD stories…


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Caught the request for delivery information on MREs to FEMA yesterday from another news source, obewanspeaks. Went right out and bought a campstove. Anyway…

      Bombing Fukushima is not an option. Big mistake. Consider this: The Little Boy Bomb, the one dropped on Hiroshima. Probably converted a ton of uranium into energy, right?
      "Approximately 600 to 860 milligrams (9.3 to 13.3 gr) of matter in the bomb was converted into the energy of heat and radiation."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy
      Nuclear weapons are the problem, definitely not the solution. All the rest of the uranium in Little Boy just became deadly fallout. If a nuclear bomb were dropped on Fukushima, all you would do is to spread the radiation all over Japan and the Pacific Ocean. Adding to that the dispersal of the nuclear materal used in the bomb itself. None of the radiation present at Fuku would be vaporized, or destroyed, or converted into energy. Please understand this. Many thanks. Peace. Philip. :)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Gee..so your saying we would still have the same problem for an eternity?

    Oh well, looks like more of the same and continual slow painful death is in order for all biological life currently residing here on Planet Earth.

    I always thought the humans species role on Planet Earth was as shepherds and protectors of all life on Planet Earth.

    Must have been a dream..


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  • Nuking this place would result in spreading what is left of the nuclear fuel at FukU around the world. and that would not be a good idea…

    Also, what effect would nuking FUKU have on the 3 coriums underground? Nothing, none… nope, not a good idea.


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  • Dr. Holger Strohm – Fukushima Radiation Release Up To 12,000 Times Chernobyl; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/08/dr-holger-strohm-fukushima-radiation.html


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  • SteveMT

    Abe Sanctions Government Funding To "Freeze" Fukushima With Giant Ice Wall
    Mittwoch, 07.08.2013 – 12:04 Uhr
    Abe and his government have sanctioned the funding of a 1.4km wall of ice to surround the building that holds Reactors 1 to 4.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-07/abe-sanctions-government-funding-freeze-fukushima-giant-ice-wall
    http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/300-tonnen-kontaminiertes-wasser-stroemt-taeglich-ins-meer-a-915265.html

    Doesn't hot water melt ice? Is this a dream?


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    • jump-ball jump-ball

      I can see the headlines now announcing the world-class first:

      TWO meltdowns at the same nuclear location.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Not a dream, Steve. Here is a drawing of the Frozen Wall Plan.
      http://www.houseofjapan.com/features/tepco-told-to-freeze-soil-around-reactor-buildings-to-block-groundwater
      The Government has already heard ptoposals, picked a contractor, and signed the contract. The Frozen Underground Wall is going forward.

      Will Japan now be "forced" to restart Unit6 just to power the Frozen Wall? :(


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        TEPCO is already building an Impermeable Wall half the way around the plant. This project is about half completed.

        If TEPCO would complete the enclosure, by running the Impermeable Wall behind the reactors to form a closed rectangle, wouldn't the results be about the same as with the Frozen Wall?

        Both the Impermeable Wall and the Frozen Wall plans have one design flaw. IMO:
        If molten corium is enclosed within the wall, the remaining groundwater, which is no longer flowing, will heat up, and may begin to steam. Without being continuously cooled by flowing groundwater, corium may heat up, criticalities may increase, and radiation releases may increase above the already high levels.

        If this happens, the Wall can be adapted, either to create a Closed Loop Heat Sink, which I described in an earlier post today. If the Frozen Wall causes this problem, pipes can be driven slantwise right into the corium, freezing it in place. :)


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        • SteveMT

          Thanks, PhilipUpNorth. In addition to the design flaw that you have identified, there is the problem of the aquifer itself running under Fukushima that they want to freeze. Moving water will be much harder to freeze than static water. At depths greater than 30 feet, temperatures are very constant as well. Thus, immense amounts of power will be required for this undertaking [sic].

          From your link: "From a technical viewpoint, it will be difficult to do so,"

          That is an understatement, IMO.


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          • m a x l i

            Indeed, how much power will that cooling method require, if it ever works? Maybe they need to build new nuclear power plants for that.

            This is stuff for a Hollywood movie: "How nuclear power saved us all"


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            SteveMT has identified yet another design flaw! The underground Frozen Wall will have groundwater constantly flowing past it, acting to heat the Frozen Wall. As the Wall absorbs heat, the energy (and energy costs) for maintaining the Frozen Wall will rise dramatically.

            (They are just using the Frozen Wall to justify restarting nukeplants, anyway. IMO)


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        • We Not They Finally

          PUN, I'm not an engineer here. Is that like saying the water has to KEEP flowing for the cooling, but STOP flowing to not spread contamination, and so on back and forth? That's not tenable.

          What I was thinking was why not massively propel the groundwater BACKWARDS to go INLAND into Japan instead of pouring into the sea? I don’t know if that has any feasibility. And they wouldn’t want it because then their THEIR land is ruined. But they’ve already killed their own country anyway and they hardly have the right to kill all the rest of the world. Would like to see them evacuate northern Japan and get those massive amounts of water flowing inwards.


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          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            This is real easy to understand, WNTF.
            Water flows DOWN.
            Inland from FDNPP is higher ground, ABOVE the FDNPP.
            Water flows from Inland DOWN to sealevel, at the ocean, where the plant is located.
            You would need lots of big pumps to make the contaminated water flow up and inland.

            Better to INTERCEPT groundwater inland from the plant,
            BEFORE it gets contaminated.
            And DUMP it into the Ocean.

            (This is not rocket science, WeNotTheyFinally. Just gravity.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    New Leaks Into Pacific at Japan Nuclear Plant

    "The first sign of trouble came on May 22, when Tepco found that groundwater at a spot between one damaged reactor and the sea contained a half-million becquerels per liter of tritium, a radioactive isotope of hydrogen — about 10 times the safe level. The water also contained high levels of strontium, an element that causes cancer and other health problems in humans because it is absorbed into the bones."

    And of course some shill playing down the strontium.
    (probably the reason they even did the article)

    "An American expert, Kathryn A. Higley, the head of the department of nuclear engineering and radiation health physics at Oregon State University, said the amount of strontium being released was “small potatoes” in absolute terms and in relation to that released early in the accident."

    From Oregon..(wink..wink)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/07/world/asia/leaks-into-pacific-persist-at-japan-nuclear-plant.html?pagewanted=all


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    • jec jec

      Note that the AMOUNT of Stronium in the water being discharged/dumped/released into the Pacific ocean is NEVER mentioned. As if its "oh, by the way…". AND, no where is it mentioned WHERE the Stronium is coming from..a nuclear reaction or process..NOT from fuel cells which are in 'cold shutdown state." The fuel has melted, mixed into a brew of nuclear materials..what you now have is a ongoing nuclear reaction..permanent! Horror story worse than the China Syndrome. If I was China or Korea..I would be out for blood…Japanese blood. USA will have to wait in line…


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Ahh we know there over 900 isotopes of devils brew churning underground and into our bread basket, the Pacific ocean, and I can't believe people actually think the ocean will dilute this and that there is nothing to worry about. Bio accumulation the plankton and kelp tested before this latest incident showed high levels of radiation thus I'm confused why some think the ocean will be able to handle this ongoing invasion of radioactive contamination. Isn't TEPCO stating that levels are increasing? Not to be redundant but dilution is no solution.


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  • Ourself Ourself

    That ice wall idea is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A f#%^&ng block of ice?! What about the corium underground?!

    The way I see it, the press about the Japanese government now intervening with Fukushima is not at all about fixing the situation, it's just for show – it's essentially to prevent public awareness. They're doing it to make YOUR job harder and for no other reason.


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  • ftlt

    Is that tons or tonnes???… The tonne is 12 % greater in weight..

    A significant difference…

    The media are not always up to speed on this..

    This caused many discrepancies during the BP Gulf Spill reporting…

    It also can become a multiplier when numbers are tossed about over and over… Small errors can become big errors…

    Casualties vs dead is the classic misunderstood media word and bad number multiplier…

    Remember, multipliers can arrive at smaller results…


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  • combomelt combomelt

    Fox News 888 369 4762
    MSNBC 212 664 4444
    CNN 404 827 1500
    Opt 1

    LA Times 213 237 5000
    Barbara Boxer 559 497 5109
    Diane Feinstein 202 224 3841

    Wyden 202 224 5244

    DOE 202 586 5000
    Secy State 202 647 4000


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      I have emailed and called Feinstein; the last time it took her 3 weeks to respond. These people are too greedy to care what happens to anyone, and they have lost touch with reality. The days of a politician caring about what the constituents say are a thing of the past. Reason: electronic voting machines.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        These politicians role in as poor as the average individual and after they get elected and a few years later they are worth millions. Sounds more like joining the mob to me and I have no time for any of the elected or selected politicians, they will say or do anything to get into the club and use tax payer money to profit themselves and could care less about the environment as long as they can line their pockets. Perhaps a few are genuine but soon become tainted and unrecognizable. JMHO


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    • kez

      Thank you Combomelt for reposting the numbers.

      As with all ENE threads this one has passed it's prime and I hope a couple of folks made some phone calls. I seriously doubt it though.

      But at least it does give me the opportunity to have the last word on this one I guess. I do know religion is taboo .. but let's leave it to the higher order of intelligence of mankind.

      A predator animal does what it does .. it kills. There's no right or wrong to the killing. When mankind finds no right or wrong to killing it's a demented view. Yes?

      When mankind takes action against the killing, especially in a civilized intelligent and compassionate and empathetic way .. that's a good thing.

      And in this ordered view of society .. if you are a witness to the killing and don't speak up to the authorities .. you are an accomplice to the killing.

      Even if you whisper and chatter abt it amongst your friends.

      If it is a global massacre even if you must speak up against governments and powerful entities and even if you are alone .. you must speak up.

      Chattering and whispering among yourselves without action makes you an accomplice to the crime.

      Especially when you are so knowledgable


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Unbelievable, Tepco got partial approval in Japan to apply for a re-start of their reactors in Niigata Prefecture. There is no hope….because people refuse to let go of their greed.

    "Kariwa Mayor Hiroo Shinada has already expressed its intention to give Tepco the go-ahead."

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/06/national/tepco-gets-partial-local-approval-to-apply-for-reactor-checks/#.UgJ2UW0k-no


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Here is a link to a photo of workers at Fukushima:
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/06/national/tokyo-electric-cant-stop-radioactive-flow-at-fukushima-plant/#.UgJ3rW0k-no

    This article mentions Reactor 1, and how they are injecting chemicals in to try and stop the water. "Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday it is struggling in its latest efforts to stop radioactive groundwater from flowing into the sea at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

    Tepco said some of the water is getting over or around “chemical walls” it created by injecting chemicals into the soil that solidify into a wall."


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    An ice wall?..just how are they to maintain cooling..when they couldn't keep the nuclear material in the reactors cool?

    Don't they understand that most any major geological change increases the chance for cooling failure.
    Are they retarded?..are they insane?


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  • NeverAnyDanger

    400 tons of water a day (probably lots more), and tomorrow and the next day and the next day for how many years? I think they should put storage tanks all over Japan if they have to. Cover the land around Fukushima and then keep spreading them out all over Japan as the years pass by. Why should a private company be allowed to contaminate the oceans? Why should a country be allowed to contaminate the oceans? Of course that assumes anything can actually be done with the mess. It's too bad but it's their accident. Evacuate.

    Next the buildings will collapse and the site will be abandoned. Does anyone know how much radiation that would release into the air and ocean on an ongoing basis?


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..The geological situation under Fukushima will not support a wall for any length of time.
    Not a cement wall….chemical wall..or even bamboo.
    Don't believe?..check the next typhoon that rolls in.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "I am more convinced that construction of the impermeable wall in the ocean by driving sheet piles in the open culvert with vibratory hammer has caused the leak by disturbing the underground trenches and joints that were already damaged by the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami. The trenches and shafts were filled with highly contaminated water from April/May 2011 leak from the turbine buildings for Reactors 2 and 3. "
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/08/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-groundwater_6.html

    PhilipUpNorth adds: The building of the Sheet Steel Impermeable Wall has backed up groundwater that has before now been flowing into the harbor. The water table has risen as a result. And because the rate of flow has gone down, the level of contamination in the groundwater has gone up. Makes sense that if the groundwater is flowing around corium debris more slowly, the contamination transfered from the corium debris under Reactors1,2,&3 to the groundwater would increase.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      PS to Heart:
      The Impermeable Wall is a double wall of sheet pilings driven into the ground. This double wall could be extended in a rectangle to surround Units1,2,3,&4. If the fill and mudrock between the two walls was to be removed, and replaced with reinforced concrete, the foundation for a Sarcophagus would be in place. I still believe that a Sarcophagus is a better solution then tearing out the reactors. Where are you going to dump the debris? In the ocean, most likely. ;) Please tell me why it isn't a better idea to fill the reactors, containment vessels, and torus wetwells with grout, and bury the complex under many feet of reinforced concrete?


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        There are many here with much more engineering savvy.
        I'll keep to geology..
        What may work… up against..on-going geological degradation.

        Seems ..I discuss this a lot some how.

        Answer to the question.."many feet of reinforced concrete= weight.
        How much weight can this geological situation take?


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  • NeverAnyDanger

    Does anybody know if there's a diagram or cross-section that shows the reactor buildings, the barrier that's been built, how deep and where the groundwater flows? And the wells that have been drilled. I think they hardened the earth somewhere underneath too. I'm having a hard time visualizing what the ground looks like under the buildings and the relation of one thing to another. Or is all this a secret too?

    If there's a "sorry, half assed" barrier built to stop the water from getting to the ocean won't the water just build up behind it saturating the ground underneath the buildings? Is this the water they think may start surfacing? Or is it the ground water that may start surfacing? And will it surface around the buildings?

    I can't see the buildings standing many more months. Admitting there's a 'leak' problem is probably getting us ready to absorb the idea that the buildings are about to 'topple'. And maybe there will even be another 'big noise'.

    Thank god for enenews where I can communicate with other people that have cared about this disaster from the beginning.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      This will give you what you need. Drawings of the wall, in relation to harbor and reactor buildings, and a photo of the wall under construction. The wall extends down into a layer of less permeable rock below the plant that forms a barrier to the aquifer at the site.

      Keep in mind that FDNPP is located on the beach with highlands inland. They had to build channels for all the water when they built the plant. There is an aquifer from very near the surface down to about 100' deep, where an impermeable rock layer ends the aquifer. All groundwater flows down into the ocean.

      The shallow extraction wells (they planned for 8 wells) will be located inland behind Reactors1,2,3&4. They will remove groundwater before it becomes contaminated by corium debris in the mudrock under the Reactor Buildings. This water will be tested and dumped into the ocean.

      You are probably confused by talk of a water glass underground chemical barrier built to try to contain groundwater. This barrier is located just inland from the Impermeable Wall, which is built out of sheet steel interlocking pilings. I'd just ignore talk referring to the water glass wall, which isn't working anyway. A good drawing in this article shows you the location of the failed temporary water gless barrier.
      http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/08/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-groundwater_6.html

      Study up, and post your observations, Danger. I'm curious to see what you make of all this once you see what's going…


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  • jump-ball jump-ball

    The underground aquifer and de-stabilizing water flows may become the new Nukushima issue:

    "But there’s a risk to changing the flow of groundwater in the ways that Tepco is considering, said Tatsuya Shinkawa, nuclear accident response director of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, at a news conference last month. The water could pool dangerously underground, softening the earth and potentially toppling the reactor buildings, he said."

    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-08-07/official-tepco-plan-could-cause-fukushima-reactor-buildings-%E2%80%9Ctopple%E2%80%9D


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  • songwriter

    I've been following (or trying to follow) this story for over 2 years now. It's amazing how, for the most part, coverage of this event and likely awful conclusion has been missing from MSM. Suddenly, it might be news again. The general rule I follow though with MSM is for every 10% they tell us, there is another 90% we don't know… may never know. So, it's the 90% I'm worried about.
    Never fear though, this is one of the lead stories on yahoo news today:

    "Kim Kardashian Sticks Tongue Out For Second Post-Baby Appearance"


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I find it very 'odd'..that the MSM is onboard..after all this time?
    Why..now?

    I believe this quake affected a larger area than reported..
    This was a fault shift.

    "A shift in the fault placed a large amount of force on underground water and pushed it up to the surface all at once."

    I believe this affected Fukushima Npp.

    Video: Quake shifted Fukushima underground water and pushed it to surface all at once — Still gushing out 18 months later.
    (repost)

    http://enenews.com/kyodo-groundwater-flowing-fukushima-reactor-buildings-cracks-walls-500-tons-day

    Kyodo: Groundwater now flowing into Fukushima reactor buildings via cracks in walls — Up to 500 tons a day
    SEPTEMBER 20 2011

    http://enenews.com/kyodo-groundwater-flowing-fukushima-reactor-buildings-cracks-walls-500-tons-day

    SEPTEMBER 2011
    This isn't news..MSM creeps!


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    • getoutwhileyoustillcan

      "I find it very 'odd'..that the MSM is onboard..after all this time?
      Why..now?"

      I'm thinking:

      a) They're removing Tepco, and throwing them under the bus (trying to protect the rest of the nuclear industry and complicit governments), before new management takes over.
      b) Something big happened, or is about to happen, that can't be covered up, so they're forced to start talking. I'm really concerned about soil liquefaction, and increasing radiation exposure for workers. I think either one could be catastrophic.
      c) Some public company is about to get a big contract, and the MSM is trying to boost their stock price.
      d) any or all of the above

      It sure seems like something's up.


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Perhaps even this is a distraction from the eventual black-op in the works in the Middle East.
        The perpetual war must continue.
        Because TPTB..are not intelligent enough to think any other way.
        It makes money and puts medals on chests..
        What else..what else in the whole wide world ..could be more important?
        (Answer: At this point…just about everything.)


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        • getoutwhileyoustillcan

          I'm not sure which one is the distraction:( TPTB are like drug addicts, who can't seem to stop themselves from destroying themselves, and everyone around them. One thing that does seem to concern them though, is the masses. They're desperate to keep the masses from waking up, because once that happens they're powerless. They'll be like puppeteers with no puppets.


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      • Ourself Ourself

        Sound about right to me. You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. It seems very likely the answer is D.


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes.. soil liquefaction is going to be a huge problem.


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        • Ourself Ourself

          Yes, that is going to be a huge problem. I can't believe Shinzo Aho accepted the wall of ice idea. Staying true to his name, I suppose – atleast he's consistent, right?

          The only bigger risk factor than the soil, in my opinion, is the possibility of a hydro-volcano. The only thing worse than the facility becoming unworkable would be an eruption of corium and highly contaminated water. Well, I guess they both could happen – that would obviously be the worst case scenario.

          If it happens, I will shit my pants.

          Then I'll put on some clean pants and do it again.


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    • irhologram

      Please tell me if there has been any other EQ that was…"Still gushing out 18 months later." From water suddenly pushed to the surface. It would have to be lower than the water table, I'd think, to maintain that much pressure. From formation waters? From the lava tubes the site sits on? Has any one asked if this is not ground water, but ocean water? Is the ocean "gushing" in? Is it an assumption that its ground water?


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  • Finch Finch

    And one fine day after pretending everything is so nice with nuclear power they will run away like rats on a sinking ship!Just.. where will they be runnig to? Some other planet in sight?


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  • wfs wfs

    HELP
    Is this link a map of the energy force of the Tsunami/earthquake in Japan or is it a flowchart of oceanic distribution of radiation I have conflicting onfo on this.

    ( http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/japan-finally-admits-the-truth-right-now-we-have-an-emergency-at-fukushima?fb_action_ids=575463512491952&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%22575463512491952%22%3A349799508485575}&action_type_map={%22575463512491952%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map )


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      "In this handout image provided by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), model runs from the Center for Tsunami Research at the NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory show the expected wave heights of the tsunami as it travels across the Pacific basin March 11, 2011. The largest wave heights are expected near the earthquake epicenter, off Japan. The wave will decrease in height as it travels across the deep Pacific but grow taller as it nears coastal areas. In general, as the energy of the wave decreases with distance, the near shore heights will also decrease (e.g., coastal Hawaii will not expect heights of that encountered in coastal Japan)."
      http://www.infowars.com/tracking-page-japans-nuclear-meltdown-aftershocks-fallout/


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    • getoutwhileyoustillcan

      That one had me worried at first, because I moved to South America. But it turned out to be what Philip said.


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  • razzz razzz

    Nuking the Daiichi site won't make the radioactivity go away or disappear. It would make things worse as pointed out by Dr. Caldicott and Arnie Gundersen, one spent fuel pool contains more cesium than was ever released in all the above ground nuclear bomb tests worldwide. So, nuking the site would release all the poisons in 6 SFP(s) plus a common pool and dry storage. You can see how stupid and dangerous nuclear power generation is.

    Because the EX-SKF and Fukushima Diary sites translate Japanese-TEPCO reports, they are the most up to date on current events at Daiichi. I haven't seen one complete map of the on goings at Daiichi but between the two websites, there are many 'official' drawings and reports that can show what is transpiring there. None of it good. The site must resemble a pin cushion by now with all the wells.

    I learn the most from the links posted here as posters are doing their homework and sharing.

    'Any kind of wall' is better than not doing anything. I wish they would at least start uphill and then work towards the ocean. Trying to isolate the melted cores using underground walls to surround them is doable. Any complications can be dealt with. Containing the melts is the first step, without doing that, what is the point of being there?

    Occasionally new posters stop by and pay a visit that are suffering directly from radiation poisoning or are directly assisting someone who is suffering, to tell their stories. They seem to complain the least.


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Right, razzz! Without building a wall uphill and inland from the Fukushima Ruins, TEPCO cannot hope to keep incoming groundwater from becoming contaminated.

      TEPCO: Extend the Impermeable Wall all the way around Reactors1,2,3&4.


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    • jump-ball jump-ball

      razzz or anyone: don't they need new, lower, containment floors beneath the existing cores, as was installed when they tunnelled under the Chernobyl core and poured a new concrete containment?


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      • razzz razzz

        jump-ball: They didn't know what was going to happen when Chernobyl melted down so they had miners tunnel underneath to pour concrete and add to the foundation so the melted core would have to melt through more mass and maybe stop. They were worried about the melt finding groundwater, that was their main concern, keep the melt away from neutron moderating waters that would possibly cause fission. They abandoned the tunnel and concrete idea when it was decided the core wasn't doing what they thought it would do.

        Some think Daiichi's melts went on through to earth. The official version is they are not sure where the melts are but probably still in the buildings or still on the foundations somewhere. Either way the buildings are not water or air tight and at the very least, cracked and the (3) cores are exposed to the elements.

        Capturing or re-containing the core melts by fixing cracks or re-pouring concrete foundations or getting new underground concrete walls and floors around them is obviously problematic with not knowing where exactly they are located and freshwater everywhere to interact with, all the while contaminating everything with radioactivity absent any secure containment.

        Feel free to speculate, no one really knows what is going on, including TEPCO.

        Dumping borated sand and concrete on the melts without containment then walking away for a hundred years leaves the possibility of more leaking and water intrusions that could cause them to fission.


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  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    in a short time no human being will be able to work there, the rads are too high then.
    so would the box around all the garbage already have 3-4 km length and 200 – 300m deep…. who will do it .
    who have/give the mony ………..


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  • VanneV anne

    Why Underground Entombment At Fukushima Daiichi Won't Succeed
    By Yoichi Shimatsu
    7-28-11
    http://rense.com/general94/whyf.htm


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  • NeverAnyDanger

    Thanks for the info PhilipUpNorth! I went over to ex-skf and read until my eyes started whirling around.

    I agree with getoutwhileyoustillcan – tepco is being thrown under the bus (not that they don't deserve it). Who else would want to come in and start getting all the blame? I have a suspicion that if the international community really had a solution for Fukushima they would somehow be brought in. Where are the Russians when we need them?


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  • Enlite2.0

    Tepco should have explained the nature of pursuing happiness a bit better to the people. Maybe it could have even helped direct their actions a bit better.

    What you are all doing here, to enlighten and educate the masses is doing more good for your own immune systems than any self-centered 'feel good' actions might.

    UNC researcher: Not all happiness is equally healthy

    Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/02/4210629/unc-researcher-not-all-happiness.html#storylink=cpy

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/08/02/4210629/unc-researcher-not-all-happiness.html


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