NYTimes: Doctors want ban on thyroid cancer screenings — “A tsunami of thyroid cancer… Stop the diagnosis… We need to actively discourage early detection” — WSJ: Judge rules nuclear reactors causing thyroid cancers — Study: Fukushima-related tumors can spread very fast, must be closely monitored

Published: November 7th, 2014 at 10:11 am ET
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New York Times, Nov. 5, 2014 (emphasis added):  To the shock of many cancer experts, the most common cancer in South Korea… is now thyroid cancer, whose incidence has increased fifteenfold in the past two decades. “A tsunami of thyroid cancer,” as one researcher puts it… Cancer experts agree that the reason for the situation in South Korea and elsewhere is not a real increase in the disease. Instead, it is down to screening… “It’s a warning to us in the U.S. that we need to be very careful in our advocacy of screening,” said Dr. Otis W. Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society… some doctors, including Dr. Hyeong Sik Ahn of the College of Medicine at Korea University in Seoul, the first author of the new paper, have called for thyroid cancer screening to be banned… Thyroid experts in the United States are calling for restraint in diagnosing and treating tiny tumors… Dr. R. Michael Tuttle… said the best way… was to “stop the diagnosisdecrease screening

New York Times Op-ed by H. Gilbert Welch, Nov. 5, 2014: An Epidemic of Thyroid Cancer [in South Korea]?Nowhere in the world is the rate of any cancer growing faster… Where did all those new thyroid cancers come from? They were always there. As early as 1947 [See: August 1945 atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both ~150 miles from S. Korea] … thyroid cancer was a frequent finding during autopsies. Studies have since shown that over a third of adults have thyroid cancer… Even without a concerted effort to promote screening, thyroid cancer incidence in the United States is up threefold since 1975. To reverse this trend, we need to actively discourage early thyroid cancer detection… having doctors not look too hard for early cancer is in your interest… Too many epidemiologists concern themselves.. with hoping to find small health effects of environmental exposures — or worse, uncertain effects of minor genetic alterations.

Wall St. Journal, Oct 21, 2014: A South Korean court for the first time has ruled in favor of a plaintiff claiming… thyroid cancer was caused by radiation from six nuclear power plants located [5 miles] from her house… “She has lived within 10 km of the plants for over 20 years and has thus been exposed to radiation for a long time. Other than the radiation from the nuclear reactors, there’s no clear reason for her cancer,” the court said… [A] government-commissioned study in 2011… showed women living within 5 km of nuclear plants had 2.5 times higher incidences of thyroid cancer… [In a study of the plaintiff’s county by a] nuclear-power research institute… between July 2010 and December 2013, about 1.4%… were found to have thyroid cancer… in 2011 [women had] 114 cases out of 100,000 [0.11%].

UC San Francisco, Oct. 27, 2014: For the first time, researchers have found that exposure to radioactive iodine is associated with more aggressive forms of thyroid cancer… Lydia Zablotska, MD [said] “Our group has previously shown that exposures to [Chernobyl’s] radioactive iodine significantly increase the risk of thyroid cancer… The new study shows that radiation exposures are also associated with distinct clinical features that are more aggressive”… Zablotska said the findings have implications for those exposed to [Fukushima’s] radioactive iodine fallout... “children or adolescents to the fallout are at highest risk and should probably be screened for thyroid cancer regularly, because these cancers are aggressive, and they can spread really fast… Clinicians should be aware of the aggressiveness of radiation-associated tumors and closely monitor those at high risk.”… radioactive iodine [exposures] are associated with a whole spectrum of thyroid diseases… Thyroid cancer is ordinarily rare among children, with less than one new case per million diagnosed each year… [In the study] researchers diagnosed 158 thyroid cancers among 11,664 [13,546 per million] subjects…

See also: Japan Expert: Outbreak of cancer now underway in children after Fukushima; Clear evidence of epidemic — Official: Would be disastrous to conclude it’s actually from Fukushima

Published: November 7th, 2014 at 10:11 am ET
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1,293 comments to NYTimes: Doctors want ban on thyroid cancer screenings — “A tsunami of thyroid cancer… Stop the diagnosis… We need to actively discourage early detection” — WSJ: Judge rules nuclear reactors causing thyroid cancers — Study: Fukushima-related tumors can spread very fast, must be closely monitored

  • jcfougere jcfougere

    That's almost unbelievable.

  • jackassrig

    You beat me to the punch. I can't believe someone with any expertise in this field would say such a thing. (1) If can't measure it, you can't control it. (2) If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. This seems to be the South Koreans position.

    • Bones Bones

      Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. Seems they are covering all those bases apparently. WTH is wrong with these so called "doctors?" I don't care if they are being coerced; Grow a freaking backbone doctors!

      • We Not They Finally

        It's a disgrace for the doctors, yes, but in the U.S. (don't know about the South Korean health system,) all they would have to do is to stop insurance-paid funding of early diagnosis tests. NIH seems to want that — their view is that cancer is "overdiagnosed" and that "we should not even call it cancer unless it is life-threatening" (= stage four)? Then the U.S. doctors might look as helpless as the South Korean ones when the screenings are not done because people can't PAY.

        Capitalism — ain't it grand? Now in its late stages, it seems to trump human well-being at every turn.

        • harv33021

          I read your posts often and know that you are wise and caring person but this is an example of Fascism not Capitalism. We have a mixed economy today. This is nothing like free market capitalism which our Democratic Constitutional Republic envisioned If we had a real free market system these sorry ass doctors, insurance companies and nuke plants would have been driven out of business years ago for delivering crappy service and incompetence. Today, Capitalism has become a dirty word, in part because of propaganda and state controlled education. At the end of WWII Fascism, Communism and Socialism were all considered horrible economic systems. How things have changed. With that said I do appreciate you knowledge and comments I have learned a lot at this site. Thank you.

          • Nails in the coffin Nails in the coffin

            The Germans lost WWII…and fascism won. Now its in full bloom in the US, with the thin veneer of a democratic republic that maintains the illusion. I still vote in defiance, because I feel like it still might sustain some minuscule measure of accountability, somehow. Having the illusion of a democracy is better than having neither a democracy nor it's illusion. I'm probably just kidding myself. I sometimes wonder when 'the powers that be' will decide this illusion no longer serves them. Such as when the country witnessed riot police cracking down on the courageous and peaceful "occupy" protesters. As pressures of environmental degradation increase beyond adaptation, will our society harden further into a police state or crumble into anarchy?

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      This isn't only South Korea's position. The doctors cited in the above news articles are also speaking of eliminating thyroid testing in the United States.

      • We Not They Finally

        A little extra perspective: A friend of ours got stage four thyroid cancer seemingly from out of nowhere (well, she was in Pittsburgh during Fukushima and that was one of the U.S> cities hardest hit with I-131.) So we did a little research and turns out that thyroid is only 2% of all cancers. So yes, why IS there suddenly a mass epidemic of thyroid cancers? And what will happen in the U.S.? The NIH is already lobbying for LESS testing.

        • harv33021

          "What will happen in the US?" In time the lobbying effort will pay off. The stakes are high for the nuclear industry and the insurance companies. They will do the legal and prudent thing. They will simply buy off the minimum number of politicians necessary to protect them with campaign contributions. We have no friends in Washington. If history is any guide the situation will only get worse. Those calling the shots do not give a damn about us. They have proved that over and over again, yet, we act like they will change. They have a different agenda and it is unrecognizable from ours. They also control all of the "blue chips" which means we are scruuud.

  • This is also the position of the nuclear industry and a certain segment of the medical community that knows what will happen if screening continues around nuclear power plants, and after nuclear accidents.

  • earthsmith earthsmith

    wow..I thought screenings and early detection was the motto for the cancer industry.
    good for the person who won the court ruling…wonder where she and the judge are going to end up.
    Humanoids won't be able to fill the void

    • We Not They Finally

      The cancer industry doesn't really have such "mottos." What they have is PROFIT MOTIVE. If testing will make them more money, then fine. But once enough people are sick, and both testing and care will COST them more money, then suddenly the "motto" becomes the reverse.

  • Nick

    Hmmmm.?

    Don't test food for radiation.

    Stop screening thyroids.

    What's next, stop screening breast cancer?

    Prostate cancer?

    Pancreatic cancer?

    Blood tests for CFS or leukemia?

    Stop scanning brains for tumours?

    The mind baffles.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      The stories of the 'Death Panels' were all true, and it all got buried.

      Three and a half years ago the worst that was spoken of on this site has all come true, and continues to get worse.

      • We Not They Finally

        Denial of needed care was ALWAYS a kind of "death panel." This isn't new, and Obamacare is really a side issue here. It's the whole economic system getting worse.

  • Nick

    How the hell are we supposed to trust any one any more?

    Both of my brothers have no thyroid.

    They are "glad" (relieved is more like it) that they had early screenings before their thyroids got further compromised.

    Sure, the surgery and follow-up thyroxin dosing is no picnic, but they would NOT be healthy humans with their compromised thyroids.

    I expect mine to act up but have a different biology (ha ha) and besides, now I can just move to South Korea and be told NOT TO WORRY, those tiny nodules on your thyroid are "normal" and we don't want to add data to a witch-hunt effort to undermine our love of all things nuclear!!

  • While I believe that early treatment can be overdone, I also believe the article is part of a systematic propaganda campaign to redefine cancerous tumors as normative (that is, as normal within healthy bodies).

    The Wall Street Journal has published recently on the insurance industry's reluctance to pay for treatments of rising incidents of cancer.

    Cancer rates are rising so quickly that they are being redefined as normal rather than as symptomatic of underlying health issues.

    The BIAS permeating the New York Times article is dramatized in final comments:

    "Too many epidemiologists concern themselves not with controlling infectious disease, but with hoping to find small health effects of environmental exposures — or worse, uncertain effects of minor genetic alterations. Perhaps they should instead monitor the more important risk to human health: epidemics of medical care."

    The industry-government response to rising unhealth: denial and re-definition.

    More examples here:

    April 30: A Plant in Environmental Health Perspectives http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/plant-in-environmental-health.html

    The Plant Erupts into a Poison Fruit http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/plant-erupts-into-poison-fruit-dont-be.html

    How to Bias Studies on the Biological Effects of Radiation http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/how-to-bias-studies-on-biological.html

    • Magda

      Excellent informative blog Majia and brave too. Thank you so much.

      • itsanuclearwar

        I agree, excellent examples and blog.

        A quote from the first example linked to that is so very true and also applies to some at enenews:

        "It is possible that this study is indicative of a CONCERTED AND DELIBERATE PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN TO SPREAD DIS-INFORMATION ABOUT FUKUSHIMA."

        There are many useful idiots of TPTB that are entrenched here at enenews in a CONCERTED AND DELIBERATE PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN TO SPREAD DIS-INFORMATION ABOUT FUKUSHIMA.

    • We Not They Finally

      "Too many epidemiologists concern themselves not with controlling infectious disease, but with hoping to find small health effects of environmental exposures — or worse, uncertain effects of minor genetic alterations. Perhaps they should instead monitor the more important risk to human health: epidemics of medical care."

      You see? I knew that we should be way more concerned about ebola than "small and "minor" factors causing cancer [sarc]. Do they actually (God forbid) WANT ebola as a distraction? I guess that people like Eric Pianka (the scientist/academician in Texas who got a standing ovation for suggesting that air-borne ebola is the most efficient way to reduce the population) actually do want that.

      Some great book somewhere talked about "a time to weep." And not just about illness, but how the world is being run.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      From majia's 3rd link above:
      "In The Name of Science, Andrew Goliszek describes a classified AEC document dated April 17, 1947 titled “Medical Experiments in Humans” that reads: “It is desired that no document be released which refers to experiments with humans that might have an adverse effect on public opinion or result in legal suits. Documents covering such field work should be classified secret” (p. 126)."

      Is this criminal or what?

    • VoxDei VoxDei

      Bias goes either way depending on bias

      • Jebus Jebus

        Is god's voice the same as one voice?

        • aunavoz

          No .. aunavoz begs and goads Admin to kamikaze her account.

          Put me out of my misery Admin!!

          Delete aunavoz and ban the IP forever!!

          • Winterborn

            Why do you keep posting then? Exercise some self control.

          • Jebus Jebus

            Lol!, it's a ok, you can change it to anything you want to.

            It's made that way so you can hide behind another nickname.

            In case you shamed the other one so bad and still want to participate…

            • VoxDei VoxDei

              Jebus, in your case you keep shaming your cause. Overall, your efforts to outreach beyond the fringe have failed. You have failed in raising awareness of Fukushima and you have failed in raising awareness of real science, substituting instead, wild beliefs and fringe antinuclear and science. You remain a bit player and are only here to exercise your right to speak whatever you like. You call it "truth". Many in the real world call it "bluster". In a way you are like the man on the street with the sign "The end is near". I for one am amazed they have computers in mental institutions for people like you to exercise your delusional free speech. In the end, you sir, personally, have not accomplished anything. A waste of effort, a waste of a person.

              Blogging never amounts to anything, especially here. No one really cares about a handful of nerdewels and their efforts. So pass out cards, get enenews out there. The more this site is out there, the worse it gets for your cause.

              Society has judged your kind – nuts.

              Thanks for your time chasing unicorns.

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Yes, society will be judged and it will not be very long now or be very pretty… 🙁

                The judgement has already begun, and the reason for this pending judgement is, it appears 99% of the first world's educated population is already.. nuts!

                Voice of God you too will be judged..we all will be judged.. and it will be right here on surface of this Earth/Planet. 🙁

                Spewing Manmade Radiation Contamination knows no borders and yes it will eventually knock on all our doors and/or our children's doors and yes will come for us all.. 🙁

                Knock, knock, knock, who's there?

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Bobby!
                  Yes sir!
                  Open the door I just heard a knock!
                  Yes sir!
                  Who was there Bobby?
                  Strangest thing sir, nobody was there, cough, puke, cough, puke!
                  Bobby are you sure, cough, puke, cough, puke?
                  Sir, I did not see anyone, cough, I did not hear anything, puke and I did not smell anything, puke, cough!
                  Bobby?
                  Yes sir?
                  That was weird and could you come over here and tell me what this large lump is on my throat and on my side?
                  Yes sir right away!
                  Thanks Bobby!
                  Sir, I have bad news for you..
                  What's that Bobby?
                  You have cancer sir!
                  Shit Bobby hurry up and close that door!
                  Yes sir right away sir! cough, puke, cough gurgle, cough, puke, gurgle 🙁

              • or-well

                And in you case, fake deist, your cause shames itself with patently false cultist dogma. Most of your pathetically trollish comment applies exceptionally well to you.
                Re-read it and weep.
                No thanks from me for being subhuman filth enabling a deathcult.
                Best contemplate your inevitable death. Perhaps it's not too late to at least attempt to imitate a full human.

              • Jebus Jebus

                Hey Ron, you wouldn't be here if there was failure of ENENews.

                But then again, thats what you bring to the table…

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                VD quote

                "You have failed in raising awareness of Fukushima"

                ——–

                So you agree it is difficult waking the sheeple up.. not that the firm grip you'r industry gained after 70 years of lying and ridiculus amount's of stolen money transferred between all kind's of selfserving liars on society numbing down proces has anything to do with it…with the help of deceiver's like you..
                So..the next approach is trying to talk us in to a fringe loner burnout ?

                Good luck with that..voice of the deceiver..

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

        Anyone who claims to be the voice of God is suffering from megalomania, IMHO. Flaming for Tavistock?

        • Agreed, not even worthy to be a troll.

        • VoxDei VoxDei

          So the rock band's name is inappropriate? You only need look in the mirror before castigating others, which you do very smugly. It doesnt work. Your efforts to reach beyond those here, outside your comfort zone, has failed.

          I say all newsers efforts to end nuclear technology has failed. Even the most ardent antinuclear enenewser has failed. Why am I so brazen? Because the truth is that Japan's nuclear reactors will soon start.

          What do you have to show for three and a half years of row and cacophony other than to give each other high fives, and clamor how evil are those that engage in these activities.

          I found a much more productive use of my time. Some here have as well.

          But for the most part, every day here it is the same tired rhetoric.

          There is a lot of saber rattling here, but its only talk. And talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Well then Vox, you have failed too!

            What have you done Vox with these three past lost years..gone shopping?

            Are you/have you been doing a great deal of shopping?

            One can do a great deal of trashing the planet in three years.. 🙁

          • or-well

            Same old nukist dogma and troll behaviour every day.
            It can never change the FACTS – nuke is dirty, unsafe, inefficient, carbon-intensive, un-necessary and socially-subsidized to benefit private profiteers.
            That this troll considers itself productive speaks volumes about the nukist cult and its enablers.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Studies have since shown that over a third of adults have thyroid cancer…"

    We are beginning to see a pattern here, in the way the establishment intends to counter the spreading public concern over the effects of Fukushima Radiation.

    Earlier this week, we heard Ken Buesseler, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Say the following concerning the lack of data on the collapse of the Pacific Ocean Ecosystem:

    "Agencies are doing this in a very, I’d say [laughs] ‘limited’ way… We should be making these measurements, we owe it to everyone… If something is happening, can we attribute it to one source of contaminants or another? Without measurements we’ll never know, so the concern will always be there… We should be monitoring… whales and seals… I haven’t seen any data that suggests it’s of concern, again that’s partly because I’ve not seen a lot of data."
    http://enenews.com/tv-really-kind-scary-grim-reality-west-coast-orcas-alarm-babies-keep-dying-2011-survived-year-biologists-whales-pregnant-weeks-theyre-longer-pregnant-video

    If we simply stop diagnosing thyroid cancer, the epidemic will go away.
    If we simply stop collecting data on the plight of whales and seals in the Pacific Ocean, the affects of Fukushima radiation on the plants and animals that constitute the Pacific Ocean Ecosystem, can remain hidden from the public.
    Ken knows that success in his career is dependent on selecting topics for study OTHER than the effects of Fukushima Radiation on marine…

  • Nick

    Japanese Idiots: Now that South Korea is reducing early thyroid screenings we can restart our nuclear death machines.

    "Japan governor approves Sendai reactor restart"
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29947564

    Morons in Moronica.

    Onward Fission Piles of Dreams!

    • VoxDei VoxDei

      Did you expect otherwise?

      Grass roots movements never had a chance.

      This site lost an opportunity to make a difference.

      • Jebus Jebus

        Ding!

        You and your opinion, are sadly mistaken my friend.

        This site is the difference, countering the suicidal normalcy, and these words of nuclear truth are spreading like so much Fukushima contaminated corium water, expanding as far and as wide as this one Ocean.

        You opinion can not stop the truth…

        • VoxDei VoxDei

          The only people that are sadly mistaken are those that are chasing the unicorn of utopia. In the modern world, you will never put the genie back in the bottle.

          Do you realize that for all of your talking, which is mostly complaining, I have yet to see how you would solve many challenging technical issues in this endeavor other than wishing the whole thing into the cornfield.

          Its a little more complicated than that. Even though Germany has decided to move from nuclear power, they will indirectly still be dependent on energy from their neighbors. Germany will still have a viable research and development program in their universities and at Karlsruhe. Germany will still have research and test reactors to operate.

          This is what you do not see in the news. Germany will still have to deal with high level waste when countries like Korea are actively engaged in working the kinks out of pyroprocessing.

          • 2014 – Global Decline Of Nuclear Energy – New Renewable Energy Production Outpaces Nuclear; via @AGreenRoad
            http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/amory-lovins-global-decline-of-nuclear.html

            Sorry, the persons smoking the unicorn horn consist of trollbots united.

          • -1

            The Nuclear Industry is built on deception and the denial of human fallibility. It has been and continues to be a moral travesty against all living things.

            1. The FIRST STEP is to eliminate the continued use of these DNA Destroying Death Machines.

            2. The SECOND STEP is to take all Nuclear Proponents and give them the choice to 'relocate' to either Fukushima Prefecture or Chernobyl where they can live out the rest of their lives attempting to restore what they have destroyed.

            >>> Of course 'it's complicated', but allowing a bunch of nucoholics to decide what an allowable 'RISK' is for our one and only known livable planet is profound insanity.

            Here we go again… 😐

      • or-well

        There's that odd smell again…
        is it shit or a nukist shill?
        Feh – no difference.
        How long did that take – 3, 4 posts?

        • itsanuclearwar

          Not pointing the finger at you, but if not for the shills that post here daily,(hidden in plain site and hidden from most) this site would have done so much more and made a much bigger difference.

          • Jebus Jebus

            itsa, respectfully,

            24,042 humans(?)

            6° of seperation

            1337 days

            The world knows.

            It's just, no one cares about tomorrow…

          • Jebus Jebus

            A meme…

            347 pages on this site.

            22 world and crowd sourced articles, studies, government documents, and testimonials. (except the first page has 8)

            347 x 21 = 7287 + 8 = 7295 Forum Topics.

            I think the truth is overwhelming.

            Moreover legal evidence…

          • Werent you a edge nukist also, trobot of sorts? Convince me I am wrong. Just as the other troll pops up.

            Bad cop bad cop

            • itsanuclearwar

              Up you'res stock! The troll that you speak of is yourself. I have nothing to do with the voice of god, but I don't need to convince you of anything. And yes you are wrong and a whole lot more! Especially what you did to the links that I provided (on the next page) in good faith for all to benefit from. You do the work of the devil!

              • Tag Yelloo..Plop. Plop. Same old same old. Boring. So Can We flush now?

                • The ass kicking this NEWS site is dishing out is never going to be as you claim ever. V.D. Eh? Hmmm.. Pigg Dogg Vee Dee .. hmmmm. Na. Too obvious.

                  • VoxDei VoxDei

                    This news site is a paper tiger. There is no ass kicking on this site. I am not going to say this was a lost opportunity. People here like to hear themselves talk and there really is no action. This site lost its soul when it let the crazies run the discussion.

                  • itsanuclearwar

                    @ alan reid, before this I thought you were level headed, and I had respect for what you offered here at enenews. Maybe after you read the down on page 2 and hopefully realize the conduct of stock, in his attempt to conceal the info regarding cancer cures in the links I provided, is the work of the devil. Hopefully you will draw your conclusion without bias. Hopefully you are not in cahoots with stock, vannev, and other useful idiots here at enenews and here to spread disinfo regarding certain issues involving Fuku and TPTB's other agendas.

                    Oh, by the way, I have never posted anything here at enenews nor any where else that would suggest that I am the voice of god nor connected in any way. stock took a cheap shot that has absolutely no substance. This is because of differences that took place in August or early September. I have not posted at enenews since that time frame and now with my first post as of late he jumped on the first post like he has been waiting for a long time to get over on me. Read further and it is only too obvious that he(and vannev, and maybe you too alan read) has been laying in wait, like an ambush. Who knows, maybe you too jumped on the bandwagon on page 2. If you did, with bad intent, then this post is a waste of my time as you would be doing the devils work also. I'm hoping that my first thoughts about you were correct and we can work toward the same goals.

                    I might add that stocks/vannevs behavior here is that of a coward and or snake.

              • itsanuclearwar

                I should point out that when I made the post above that started with "Up you'res stock", that this post was made in reply to 2 different posts by stock. Mainly because of the shit he posted on page 2. To understand where I was coming from the reader must first read stock's shit on page 2.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Notice how NBPiggy wants to resort to profanity, he goes from VoxDei to itsanuclearwar.

                  He probably is really flaming for his psych report on this website for Tavistock, among other motives.

                  • itsanuclearwar

                    @vannev, stfu, it is only too obvious that you are the biggest shill at this sight, well maybe not the biggest, that's debateable, you are the most obvious of the entrenched shills here at enenews. People like the voice of god serve to provide cover for you and the other entrenched shills that try and remain hidden. You support each others lies, gang up on those that seek out and or post the truths that you are paid to conceal. When some barney5 mofo or other jo blow flaming shill comes along you can act like you are sincere by arguing with, (what is in reality, your fellow team members) these flaming shills that are paid by the same psychopaths that you work for.

                    You are very sloppy and a disgrace to the other shills, if that is even possible. Who knows, may be that is by design. Either way, you are the devils spawn and one can only hope that you are held to account for your actions. Realize that you are cannon fodder and or only a tool and when they are done with you, you will be thrown away like the garbage that you are. So how much do they pay you for being a traitor to humanity and the planet earth and all the creatures, that you haven't already killed.

                  • VoxDei VoxDei

                    Maybe there are more than one person here challenging you and calling you out. I dont know who the others are here, but it is pretty evident they are growing tired of the zealotry that monopolizes bandwidth here.

          • VoxDei VoxDei

            There is no one to blame but yourself for not taking advantage of your situation fully. You have the means to communicate something to the outside world but all they see here is doom, gloom, conspiracy, and unscientific hearsay and conjecture. Enenews could be much much more but some people have dragged the site down to only the fringe element is accepted and everyone else scoffed and rebuffed. Its pretty sad, because Japan is getting ready to restart reactors and where is the influence of Enenews? It is no where to be found. And the bloggers here are just talking among themselves, with no clear action or plan to communicate their ideas. They just want it one way, and that way didnt prevent Japan from returning to nuclear power. Its pretty sad.

            • or-well

              @mouthpiece, spin-agent, pigclone – you're a joke.
              A liar. A distorter. A troll.
              There are NO news websites influencing Japan's nuclear policy, not even your beloved shill-hangout Forbes.
              To suggest otherwise is simply more of your bullshit.
              What YOU would see communicated is nukist cult dogma.
              If it was in your power to forbid anti-nuclear knowledge you would forbid it and if you could you would persecute truthtellers.
              That's you.

              • VoxDei VoxDei

                Antinuclear knowledge is an oxymoron perpetuated by well, morons.

                I think its disingenuous to call yourself a "truthteller". I think it is more accurate to say "truth distorter".

                • or-well

                  Lies and liars – the only way nuke-power survives.
                  Was always dirty, dangerous, inefficient, un-necessary and socially subsidized so a few could profit.
                  You're still a joke, cultist deskjockey.

                • combomelt combomelt

                  "NUCLEAR knowledge is an oxymoron perpetuated by, well, morons.

                  I think its disingenuous to call yourself a "truthteller". I think it is more accurate to say "truthdistorter"."

                  • combomelt combomelt

                    heh,

                    oh weepy weepy us.

                    we lost our 'chance' newsers!

                    so sad

                    guess this site is dun for.

                    makes me laugh for real, and stuff like this puts big grins on my face, and it ain't digital like it is for the botmaster trolls.

                    i'm saying that I am really laughing at the tripe they type. I mean, you trobots really have me laughing out loud AT you.
                    I am not 'rolling on the floor laughing', but I am 'laughing my ass off', as I sit here chucking for real at you tromasbots.

              • VoxDei VoxDei

                This coming from a master of spin and misinformation. Truth is that once a news site participates in biased activity it becomes not a credible source. You dropped the ball.

                • or-well

                  You describe Forbes well –
                  "…once a news site participates in biased activity it becomes not a credible source."
                  Especially when publishing such oft-debunked and obvious nukeshills as Conca and Worstall.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                And always the same old line. We are on the "fringe." Who does that sound like? Same old, tired, pro-nukist, new reincarnation, same old blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather.

                "Synaptic drivel spews forth."

                A gem from Jebus or or-well, circa 2011?

            • Internet trolls seek to be disruptive and hurtful by using any of the following techniques:

              2. Trolls will incite broad arguments and provoke angry responses by making controversial statements.

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              VD quote
              "You have the means to communicate something to the outside world but…"

              ———-
              And what would that "something" have to be to get your approval ?

            • combomelt combomelt

              lol,

              trobot tries to blame ene for not being hardcore ENOUGH!?

              opposite speak flame. twisting violently

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Thyroid cancer was already a large and growing problem pre-Fukushima.
    http://d3hjf51r9j54j7.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2012/11/figure4.jpg
    Wonder what the current data looks like?
    Thyroid cancer kills. Period.
    The coverup begins with pressure on doctors not to do thyroid screening.
    "First, do no harm."
    Damn right! 😉

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Stages and prognosis for Thyroid Cancer:
    http://columbiathyroidcenter.org/staging.html

    Early diagnosis and treatment, and diagnosis at an early age, for thyroid cancer plays a large role in survivability.

    Very good topic, Admin. 🙂
    Great find!
    Forcast 600+ posts on this over next day or two.

  • Reverse engineered humane beings.

    So much for oaths!

    Don't think it will be exclusive to Asia. Way back in the atomic testing days Australia did the same sort of thing, only it was strontium 90 and leukemia, while stealing from dead bodies bone samples and feeding little children free milk at school.

    There are no friends where money is concerned. Oh! dollar the great keeper of our new order of the ages, save us from atomic ionised radiation and the answer was…….

    • Dick Shenary

      The human race has many achievements to celebrate such as the design of the wheel, development of agriculture, discovery of antibiotics, manned space flight, and many others. We speak endlessly of our accomplishments. Less often spoken about are the greatest miscalculations and mistakes made by humans over the ages. Little things like disregard for sanitation killed millions in the past. Another of mankind’s mistakes is to limit the role of women and to a certain extent children in our society. How about pouring billions into armaments and warfare while starvation and disease run rampant? Surely, this was and is a colossal mistake. But the biggest mistake ever made by any life form, that we know of, is the development of nuclear technology both weapons and power plants. Now you can begin to understand why the US government is so reluctant to discuss the repercussions of Fukushima or Chernobyl. If you had made the biggest mistake in all of human history, would you want a loud and vocal debate about it? I think not.

      • hbjon hbjon

        It is too easy to get the approval of the sheeple. Let them own a personal stake in the industry by allowing the public offering of shares of stock. Wasn't it GWB that proposed to use our social security funds to expand the fraudulent and corrupt market system?

        We currently live in the era of "ILL GOTTEN GAINS". The healthcare system is the largest of the gainers.

        Solution= Send all healthcare workers home and use minimum wage labor to care for the sick and dying. Provide a clean and comfortable room to those disabled and serve them three square meals a day until they're well enough to go home. Stop doing NAZI experiments on us good people out here.

        Wake up sheeple.

        • StPaulScout StPaulScout

          "Solution= Send all healthcare workers home and use minimum wage labor to care for the sick and dying."

          So you want un-educated low paid people caring for you when you are suffering? Are you fucking nuts? Not me. I prefer my highly educated PCP and Cardiologist et. al. caring for me. You can go to McDonalds for your medical care if you like, no one is stopping you. What an idiot…..

          • hbjon hbjon

            How much education does it take to wash and feed the sick? But anyway if you have a different opinion, that's fine. No need for name calling as it doesn't fit into the "Minnesota nice? character. Saints don't resort to name calling do they?

            I'm fed up with the lies. We were told a cure for cancer was on the horizon thirty years ago. We spend more money per capita on healthcare than any other civilized society in the world, and yet we are the sickest and have the poorest outcomes from medical treatment. Diabetes has reached epidemic proportions. I can't go on in this fashion as it only makes me sick.

            • We Not They Finally

              hbjon, you may mean well, but you walked right into that one! What you described as "care" is really called "custodial care" — not doing anything, just waiting for people to get more sick and die.

              Next time think it through!

              • hbjon hbjon

                WNTF, I am fully capable and willing to defend and stand by my comments when time allows. Sometimes I'm just too busy, busy, busy to rebut.

                What I meant to convey was my conviction in the idea that one can heal on ones own if given the opportunity without heroic medicine intervening. I believe that plenty of rest, nutrition, cleanliness, and clean water play important roles in the healing process.

                Healing becomes difficult for those who contaminate their selves with radiation, toxins, or traumatic drug that change the natural healing process.

                There are very high powered attorneys that defend their industries by all means and healthcare is no different. Do you really think that Doctors can heal?

                Here's an idea that just popped in my noodle. There is a big difference between being willing to help me and being able to help me. When you lie and tell someone you are able to help them and it turns out they die. What then?

            • PlowboyGrownUp

              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/12/new-study-predicts-one-in-three-in-us-will-have-diabetes.aspx
              "If You Want to Prevent or Reverse Diabetes, IGNORE the Following "Health" Agencies

              American Dietetic Association
              American Heart Association
              American Diabetes Association"

              • itsanuclearwar

                Here in the USA, main stream medicine is the disease. Treat the symptoms, never cure the disease, let alone prevent the disease.

                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  For allopathic medicine, itsanuclearwar, you are largely correct in your statement about medicine in the U.S.

                  There are a lot of holistic, functional medicine, Ayurvedic, TCM, and other practitioners using blended medicine, along with allopathic medicine. They are actually curing people and/or helping them to heal.

                  I am one of those people whom allopathic medicine might have considered a hopeless case, at one point.

                  Still alive and kickin'

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          quote hbjon :

          "Solution= Send all healthcare workers home and use minimum wage labor to care for the sick and dying. "

          ———–

          I don't know about you hbjon , but i don't want a person with the amount of empathy needed to mop a floor somewhat ok and his attention span based on a timer instead of call's or body language being around me in my most weak , vulnerable , lonely , confusing , potential scary and depending moment's of my life..
          That's not the time to aim for the absolute cheapest way to deal with "things"… i would prefer to die alone then without extra insult..

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            and i even forgot "pain"

            • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              and it is not my intend to insult minimum wage surviving worker's doing job's below their capabilities… just saying if you set it up with the wrong intend an criteria..there wil be a lot of that..

            • hbjon hbjon

              Don't forget pain. It is something that comes with injury and sickness. Let them moan and groan all they want, after all, pain has never killed anyone like painkillers have 🙁

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                You can't be for real…meaning that…
                —————
                Solution= Send all healthcare workers home and use minimum wage labor to care for the sick and dying.

                Don't forget pain. It is something that comes with injury and sickness. Let them moan and groan all they want, after all, pain has never killed anyone like painkillers have
                —————–
                You should spend a few night's with being the companion of terminally ill squirming in their last weeks..and pain can kill..

                • hbjon hbjon

                  I understand that my comments leave me vulnerable to a lot of criticism. Give them painkillers then. My concern is what put them in that condition to begin with. Peace

                  • hbjon hbjon

                    You do understand that the painkillers will not heal them and can possibly kill them? Very important thing to grasp in ones noodle.

                    The question becomes. Is pain part of the healing process? If the answer is yes, then you are interfering with the natural healing process, which is bad.

                    If you're bothered by hearing people in agony, get out of the hospital and go shovel French fries for a living.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      quote :
                      "If you're bothered by hearing people in agony, get out of the hospital and go shovel French fries for a living"
                      ———-
                      lol so much for peace and being against nazi experiment's on innocent good people..whatever..just don't go near real people that need empathy.
                      I was responding to your proposel to make it as invisible as possible on the budget radar without showing a peep of understanding who or what you are condemning to what.

                    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      Srry hbjon, i took the shovel comment wrong , pls scrap first 2/3 of my last post..

          • hbjon hbjon

            The human body is a durable machine that has the ability to heal itself of injury. Todays hospital environment kills more people than you care to recognize. How many people know the number of overdose deaths that occur in hospitals each and every day? How many people die from microbes they encounter at hospitals? How many are maimed for life due to medical malpractice and botched procedures? All the quality medical transcriptionist have already been let go because they revealed how incompetent and inept the healthcare professionals have become. Medical records are being cooked to release all healthcare personnel of responsibility.

            I'm sure the Good Doctor will painfully agree with me on most of these points.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes, the human race has had many achievements but at what cost? 🙂

        Here are some of mankind's finest and take a long hard look at our planet's future.. 🙁
        https://www.google.com/search?q=chernobyl+DU+weapons+cancers,+mutations,+deformities&espv=2&biw=989&bih=502&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=on1dVP_mJMqxogSi84H4Dw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

  • jec jec

    Again, I point out my daughter, exposed to Chernobyl radiation, whose 'teen years' exposure likely caused HER thyroid cancer. Of course, her doctor in the USA..just ignored her complaints as she got sick, tired and gained tremendous amount of weight. No tests were done until got until the tumor stuck out and she was close to Stage 4. The tumor was outside the thyroid and showed up in scans in her lungs. Surgery left her throat damaged, voice weak, swollow weak, and parathyroids damaged. She can not control her calcium levels in her body..likely this will affect her bones in later years. She is supposted to have scans and radiation every three years, but OBAMACARE says shes 'in remission' and only needs it five years as the test and radiation are expensive. She can not control her weight, and the thyroid medications she is on, work poorly, she is tired and feels ill most of the time . She has blood tests every few months..and has been facing this for close to 10 years as a young woman.
    So I guess she is a good example of NOT testing for thyroid disease..cancer outside the gland, lots of scans, lots of meds,lots of hospital visits/surgery, lots of followups, pain/illness..AND this is what the doctors want? Guess they really want the patients to be terminal due to thyroid cancer so they can save money and just offer pallative care or 'hurry up and die' pain management.

    • Shaker1

      Thank you, jec, for pointing out the consequences of thyroid problems. The thyroid is not some useless internal part like an appendix. A damaged, compromised thyroid has multiple manifestations, even to what seemed before the problems to normal brain function. I've female friends who seem much more affected than males who might have the same problems. But all the more for the drug industry, huh?

      We're not paying attention and thinking too little of what's really happening to us, often through just plain bigotry. Dialysis is growing exponentially, and not all liver transplants are given to old rockers whose history is steeped in drugs and alcohol.

    • razzz razzz

      With Federally funded medical care the system can be controlled and all the reporting factors manipulated. Not to speak of your case file being available to number crunchers and bean counters which includes just about everyone.

      I have said before that mainstream medicine is a percentage game with only the largest percentages of value to medical administrations. The anomalies are a nuisance like rising thyroid cases. It is not the increasing cases that is the worry, per se, it is the cause and that cause is directly from nuke power generation. Bad for nuke business it is.

      As I have pointed out before, don't report medical findings, change the diagnosis, refuse to test for conditions, etc., there are many ways to sweep conditions under the rug including jail time. Apparently healing is not part of the goal.

      All to protect a nuke industry profits.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Yes, "All to protect a nuke industry profits." 🙂

        • itsanuclearwar

          It is about killing us off more than anything else. Fuku was done by design and when added to obumercare TPTB get what they planned for, mass murder and depopulation of the useless eaters.

          Like they really need any more money. Money that is worthless as you will soon come to know.

          Blame it on anything but the truth. Saying it's for the profits is an outright lie and only serves to protect TPTB and their useful idiots like Bush and Obumer. The truth is mass depopulation, on North Americans in the extreme. Fuku is a direct nuclear attack on North America, to bring about the New World Order. It is so fucking obvious but hidden in plain sight to a bunch of dumbed down americans. PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jebus Jebus

        "With Federally funded medical care the system can be controlled and all the reporting factors manipulated. Not to speak of your case file being available to number crunchers and bean counters which includes just about everyone."

        You are so spot on with that, razz.

        Obamacare isn't about health, it's about CONTROL

        That's no conspiracy theory. Think about it – everyone gets sick and eventually has health problems. And – like taking over the public schools, where they control the "education" of your kids – what better way for social engineers and progressivists to exert control over your life than to control your healthcare?

        There is more to consider along these lines – that really, all Obamacare is about is government control over you.

        http://www.naturalnews.com/041532_obamacare_government_control_health_care_privacy.html

      • razzz

        Iv'e been in both paid and universal health care, believe you me they are equally as corrupt as each other. Your government can influence either to give you "SPECIAL" in the background treatment. I also bear witness of such love.

        The Hippocratic oath both old and 1964 versions aren't worth the paper they are written on. Stay healthy, keep away or become a statistic. In my journey I can count on one hand those exceptions.

        I spent a month being tortured with death threats in an Australian hospital, ignored, laughed at, treated like rubbish, banging pans day and night to make sure I couldn't sleep. Then trying to burn my eyes out with lasers to attempt to progress an evil agenda of prophesy. GOD is my witness.

        Their agenda of slash and burn earth is known and judgement will be with humanity.

        Fear us we are 99‰ Join us, you are us. They have betrayed you, love conquers all.

    • We Not They Finally

      jec, condolences for what your daughter is going through. We are sorry that she and you are going through this kind of heartbreak.

    • VoxDei VoxDei

      You live in the USA and you say your daughter contracted cancer from Chernobyl? I really feel bad for you and your family. However to come out and emphatically state a causal effect from a far far nearly inconsequential radiation source is a stretch. Unless she was a first responder, there is no evidence or science to suggest a direct causal effect.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    This is what thyroid cancer looks like:
    http://pathologyoutlines.com/wick/thyroid%20anaplastic%20thyroid%20carcinoma%20gross%20photo2.jpeg

    Perfectly harmless?
    Damn straight! 😉
    (Except for the public hysteria, of course.)

    Caused by nuclear energy industry, and by Iodine131.

    Question: How does Iodine131 get into Tokyo sewage sludge?
    Answer: From Fukushima Diiachi.
    http://optimalprediction.com/files/tokyo5-14-14.gif

    Question: How will the entire population of Tokyo get thyroid cancer?
    Answer: by drinking water and eating food that contains Iodine131.
    Japanese school children are being taught that everyone gets cancer.
    This is a normal part of living.

    Where are the 3 awol nuclear fuel cores?
    TEP.gov hasn't a clue. 😉
    http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=14039

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Looks like lots of manmade radioactive hot particles cooking away inside that one.. 🙁

      • VoxDei VoxDei

        This "radioactive hot particle" meme is a fallacy on your part.

        It has been rejected by everyone except the antinuclear kook community.

        • or-well

          Rejected only by pronuke propagandists.
          Fixed it for ya.

        • danger kitty danger kitty

          Mother and Child Killer/ VoxDei- Do you even know what it feels like to get a hot particle up your sinus? I do, wish you did, too.

        • VoxDei

          The penalty for teaching falseness is three times that of the sinner, false prophet alert.

          Not more a day will your money buy.

          There is always an operator at the helm, repent…….

          • VoxDei VoxDei

            Absolutely agree there is an ultimate operator at the helm. You cannot see that the antinuclear side does not agree with the ultimate operator. Some don't believe in an ultimate operator. Shame on them.

            • or-well

              HUGE LOL!!!
              Shill says imaginary deity is pro-nuke!
              Deity Believers will have their own take on this, I suspect.
              I just say he's a lunatic nuke cultist.

              • VoxDei VoxDei

                Who made the sun, the stars, and Oklo? Who designed every element and every isotope known to man? Plutonium IS a natural element in the ground and in the air when uranium is released in coal burning. Where you find uranium you will find fission products.

                • or-well

                  Your superstitions are your business.
                  Who has told decades of lies about nuclear power?
                  Who continues to do so?
                  You can't put that on any imaginary being.
                  Nuke has always been dirty, inefficient, carbon-intensive, unsafe and un-necessary, a profit-grab for a few subsidised by the many.

                  • VoxDei VoxDei

                    You think believing in God is a superstition? No wonder you are lost. Its not too late to turn around.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      My God, which is in my heart and soul, is telling me that I must do everything in my limited power to allow others to see what the failed meme, atoms for piece, is doing to all life on this one little blue planet…

                    • Angela_R

                      Vox, when God created, it was done with balance. Freedom to evolve was provided.
                      Envy sought to supplant.
                      Pluto is the 'god' of the underworld,
                      he mixed the mash.
                      Man thanked him by calling a mutant – Plutonium.

                • PLaying the OKLO card, wow.

                  Playing the natural plutonium card, wow.

                  What else you got? anything?

                  you didn't answer my query before of why you were worried the activists were eating bananas, just bought 6 myself….very good food and no radiation risk.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Fission produced line..not true!

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Vox D…iabolum. You need to read Genesis. Pretending to be God is the temptation posed by the snake in the Garden of Eden.

                  God didn't create evil, nor cyclotrons, nor nuclear weapons, nor nuclear energy. Poisonous mushrooms are not to be eaten, not hubris, nor pretending to be God, nor radioactive food laced with plutonium, strontium 90, nor curium, nor Americium, nor radioactive Cesium. There are many man made isotopes that have never been found in nature. How many plutonium isotopes have never been found in nature? Around 20. Only the devil deceives and destroys the truth. Your brain has been seriously diminished by radionuclides. And God has especially forbidden murder and especially that of children.

                  And only whacky people pretend to be God.

                  • VoxDei VoxDei

                    No name calling please. You ask others not to name call, and you call them out. Please do as you want others to do.

                    No one is pretending to be God. Yet people here forget who is driving the bus. God keeps a watchful eye on things, and from the perspective of those that post here regularly, I would surmise He is not amused by all the fear-laden vitriol for the physics He invented.

            • VoxDei

              Do you also agree that not more a day will your money buy, ultimately your health is your only value?

              If the answer is yes, then why do you work against yourself?

              • VoxDei VoxDei

                Nuclear is not compromising world health. We have been down this before with much evidence to support that statement. You believe it is, and that is a belief. It doesnt make it a true statement.

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Anywhere you follow Manmade Nuclear Radiation Contamination you will find cancers and compromised health!

                  You really need to get out more and read the correct materials..

                • @Vox..

                  It is said a picture tells a thousand words or do ∞ words from Hiroshima to Chernobyl lie?

                  I agree with obewanspeaks you really need to get out more, your fallout shelter is impeding your wisdom.

                  • VoxDei VoxDei

                    I do not equate Hiroshima to Chernobyl. This is your mistake.

                  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                    So easy to find the truth, yet people like Vox do not open their minds or eyes to such glaring in your face realtime facts. 🙁

                    The above paper should realize that not only are the children getting cancers, but so are all the other biological life present and also all the adults present.

                    Manmade Nuclear Radiation Contamination affects so much more than just the thyroid gland. If it should bypass any gland protected by sufficient iodine then it will simply travel/deposit/go to somewhere else in the body and lay in wait for years to rear it's ugly head in the form of diseases, cancers and/or tumors. 🙁

                    All these spewing cancer factories need to be shut down now!

    • We Not They Finally

      "Japanese school children are being taught that everyone gets cancer.
      This is a normal part of living."

      Yeah, right, "the new normal." I always wondered whether in "Brave New World," they even remembered "the time before." And was it a one-time total wipe=pot of collective memory, or the bit-by-bit horror story that they are playing out in Japan?

      • itsanuclearwar

        Today in Japan, tomorrow coming to a grade school near you. They are already teaching kids that chemtrails are normal and healthy.

        • yo itsa, dud did a whole expose' on your insults against the top posters on this blog.

          You owe some apologies, big time

          Please respond

          • itsanuclearwar

            Don't own you anything bud. How about when you threatened me with a spear through my heart a few months ago. Mighty white of you shill. So you want to joust me through the heart? Be clear, is this supposed to be a fair joust where we both have equal weapons, or do you get the only weapon? If you get a horse do I get one? I would rather be on a motorcycle, don't know much about horses.

            Think you made reference to that in this thread too, didn't pay much attention to some of your blabbering though, so I might be mistaken. Do I need to look over my back from now on? You wouldn't shoot/joust me in the back would you?

            ALL I do is expose the truth bud. If you are insulted by the truth, change your ways. I do understand though, where you would have a problem with the truth, as in speaking the truth. Talking about the whole truth, nothing but the truth. See, this is where we separate, as you have certain truths that you strive to conceal. Real important truths that you and your partners in crime team up to destroy. To bad that I am not paid to be here 24/7 like some of you and therefore you have an advantage their. That and your numbers, the number of you here for the same purpose, DISINFO, GANG B@@G THOSE THAT EXPOSE CERTAIN TRUTHS, LIE CHEAT STEAL AND SHOOT IN THE BACK/BACK STAB!

            Don't think that psychopaths can be insulted, but may be wrong about that, its just the impression I get.

            And you think I owe you an apology. You are up side down!

            • LOL oh just precious, precious

              you have been exposed as a troll
              and you are making up lies…

              I shall joust thee with truth and shall prevail

            • hbjon hbjon

              You are very wise itsanuclearwar, and I believe you have correctly identified the trolls. In my book, whoever uses threatening innuendo to intimidate people who speak the truth and seek understanding is lower than the cow manure on my boots. Keep it up.

  • Sickputer

    Nursing tenet for documentation of medical treatment and procedures:

    "If it wasn't documented… It never happened".

    2014 Big Brother tenet for cancers caused by nuclear fallout:

    "If we don't test for it…it wasn't caused by us".

    SP: The mask slips off the monster.

    Time for my favorite quote about lying dictators:

    "It is given to men, sometimes, to attack the rights of others, to seize their goods, to threaten the life of those who defend their nationality, and to make that the highest virtues seem crimes, and to give their own vices the luster of true virtue. But there is a thing that cannot be reached either by falsification nor perfidy, and that is the tremendous verdict of history. She will judge us."

    —Benito Juarez ….the Thomas Jefferson of Mexico

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      'International Team Studied Children and Teens Exposed After Chernobyl'

      "For the first time, researchers have found that exposure to radioactive iodine is associated with more aggressive forms of thyroid cancer, according to a careful study of nearly 12,000 people in Belarus who were exposed when they were children or adolescents to fallout from the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident.

      Researchers examined thyroid cancers diagnosed up to two decades after the Chernobyl accident and found that higher thyroid radiation doses estimated from measurements taken shortly after the accident were associated with more aggressive tumor features."

      http://www.healthcanal.com/cancers/56719-radiation-exposure-linked-to-aggressive-thyroid-cancers.html

      It kills the kids first.

  • melting mermaid melting mermaid

    How much does it cost to get a doctor to betray the entire human race? His own children and grandchildren? Souled out…

  • Nick

    Some time in the (not too distant) future:

    The International Body of Nuclear Experts (or IBONE) has released
    a new set of guidelines for cancer screening:

    After a series of over-priced stints at a Four Star Hotel, IBONE crafted the following:

    1. Cancer has been discovered to affect every organ of the body.

    2. Cancer is a normal bodily function and is a boon for the pink dye industry who sell the nauseating pink athletic apparel worn by over-paid athletes to gloss over the CAUSE of cancer in the first place.

    3. Cancer is a huge job creator so don't complain if you just happen to have it.

  • Nick

    “I think it is an oversimplification to say the increase in diagnosis is from the overuse of technology and only relates to small tumors that are insignificant,” said Dr. Steven Sherman, medical director of the endocrine center at the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. “There is a component that relates to increased technology, but until we can do a better job at predicting the outcomes for individuals who develop cancer we still need to treat each case.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-thyroid-cancer-ess.html

    http://news.psu.edu/story/325718/2014/09/10/research/thyroid-cancer-rates-pennsylvania-rising-faster-rest-country

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jce/2013/965212/

    So, all of this increase is due to "better" diagnosis?

    WTF?

  • whatcanido

    I'm currently in the process of getting a needle biopsy after a cyst over 1 cm in size was found on my thyroid. I am a double cancer survivor in the last 2 years and find it hard not to immediately gravitate to finding our what exactly is going on. My thyroid is functioning and my hormone levels are in range, but if the FNA comes back as cancer, I will be left with a tough decision. I've not been immediately exposed to fallout or live anywhere need a nuclear power plant. Detection and screening for those in the vicinity of a nuclear generating station or nuclear accident such as Fukushima should be actively monitored due to the likelihood of developing such cancers.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      If you live on the North American continent, you are exposed to Fukushima (well, anywhere on any continent by now).

      Congratulations on your previous success, WCID, and good luck with your upcoming FNA.

      Good luck to all of us.

    • We Not They Finally

      FYI: A diseased thyroid apparently doesn't necessary show up as an abnormal TSH. We got that from someone with thyroid cancer but who was testing TSH in normal range. Not to further alarm you, just to inform.

    • itsanuclearwar

      @ whatcanido, at the bottom of this thread on page 2(as of 10:32 AM Eastern time) I posted some links that have very good info and cures for cancer and related diseases. Info that also describes how bad chemo and radiation is. This is the info that everyone needs or will need soon enough.

      • itsanuclearwar

        To all the readers, the post on page 2 that stock pulled his shit, is the post that refers to this one. This is where I spent quite a few hours gathering and viewing this info, for my benefit and the benefit of others in particular and everyone in general. All of my actions have been in good faith, unlike some others here at enenews.
        The government and TPTB do not want you to have this info. That is one reason their useful idiots attack and try and discredit me. You may not agree with me on issues that are discussed here, but with these links I am just the messenger. Judge for yourself the messages contained in the links. This concerns your health, there is much needed info in the links. I assure you, I would not waste my time to go to the trouble I have had to, due to stock and vannev, to post these links if they had little value!

        • LOL
          itsanuclear war has been below my radar, until now.

          Dud listing a bunch of personal attacks by itsa, list at nuke pro.

          Funny how a "troll" beneath my radar, thinks that me pointing at a 2 week ago Troll Virus incident with infect links, applied to his recent post of cancer links.

          I believe this troll is using 2 strategies….
          1) attack people on this site. Some will be just disgusted and leave, others just don't like confrontation and will leave. Some site participants, esp new ones will distrust the honest good work of the likes of Anne et al.

          2) Distract from the real issue. The real issue IS NOT how to mitigate cancer, the real issue is stopping production of radiation and heavy metals and dispersing them around the earth.

          It is clear now that ENE has been infected with multiple trolls and trobots, all with slightly different strategies.

          I believe that this will play out eventually as a series of class action lawsuits against nuclear interests. This could in fact be the tipping point.

        • I,

          please let it go. Don't take it personally.

          Just post your links, and let it all slide.

          By attacking people you are in effect becoming a troll and creating more enemies.

          respond in the moment, but forget about history.

          What happened two weeks ago in another thread is not worth bringing up, not unless you are a troll that is.

  • Homolumina Homolumina

    "… Too many epidemiologists concern themselves… with hoping to find small health effects of environmental exposures — or worse, uncertain effects of minor genetic alterations…."

    The usual tactics: blackmailing those doctors who have ethics and redefining environmental health effects by downplaying them to a ridiculous nothing. Everybody who is concerned can now be labeled a fear mongerer who has an adverse effect on society by overdramatizing "UNCERTAIN effects of MINOR genetic altercations" !

    Too bad it will affect everybody, them included.

    • Homolumina Homolumina

      I also understand now why genetic research and technologies are being pushed and funded – not only to create "dream babies" – it is an attempt to get ahead of the game, at least for the elite I guess…

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Unless they can 'create' radiation-resistant babies, the human race has run out of steam.

        Not only are large amounts of people going to get rad-sick, fairly quickly men will all be 'shooting blanks', or shooting DNA-defective sperm. The human race will devolve into a race of mutants unable to reproduce, and far before that happens all medical care will collapse.

        I leave it to others to call out who is responsible. Many are still alive, and continue to promote this extinction spiral.

        • Homolumina Homolumina

          Looks like a reasonable prediction Time is Short… And even if they were to produce radiation resistant babies, the whole world around them and all in it are dying also. Trying to wrap my head around their logic could drive me insane…

          • Time Is Short Time Is Short

            Trying to get into their heads and why they are doing this is not healthy, H. It is a very, very dark place that most should never go near. It is pure Evil, and the worship thereof.

            Hug your loved ones and leave this alone. Even if we can't stop our physical deterioration, we can at least hang on to our mental health, to properly love and care for those around us.

          • Catch 22 – Nuclear High Technology Plus Safety Assurances Offer Only False Promises, Empty Guarantees And Deceptions; via @AGreenRoad
            http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/03/nuclear-high-technology-plus-safety.html

            • VoxDei VoxDei

              Any technology caries with it implied risk. I remember some time ago, the 75th anniversary of the Golden Gate Bridge. There were over 300,000 people on the bridge that flattened the span. It would have been the largest engineering disaster in human history. Same goes for air travel, driving, anything regarding technology. Safety factors are part of design. The "beyond design" is uncharted waters. Its a fallacy to exploit "beyond design" as unsafe and the norm.

          • PlowboyGrownUp

            Homolumina, they can't see logic because of the hundred dollar bills :/

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          @TIS; "Creating a race of radiation-resistant babies" is EXACTLY
          what came to my mind more than once lately??!! WTF??!! I usually keep it to myself or come about as close to suggesting I even have "theories" about certain crap to myself for obvious reasons re;my reference to nuke-pukes as "humanoid,sub-species". Are there ET's that have been hybridized or "appear" human[?]! I'm not resigned to the idea but their track records & inhuman peculiarities makes such a notion more believable with every passing day and examples of "questionable" acts,orders & statements made by TPTB like this one coming from an organization like the ACS is sickeningly sad & really hard to swallow personally since I'd felt indebted to them for helping us to expedite my wife's medicare/medicaid health insurance when she was diagnosed with her superfast,aggressive Inflammatory Breast Cancer[?]! 🙁 I read this shit now that if true,leaves me regretting ever asking for or accepting help from their organization??!! IMHO,they KNOW 311/Fukushima has/is causing the spike in cancer & now I KNOW whose side the ACS is REALLY on!! 🙁 "MY" life already had begun to suck around 911. But I had a plan,a sense of direction & a much better chance of meeting my humble goals,311 not only changed that it ERASED everything I'd ever imagined could be realized & now I'm a miserable,broken shadow of my former self relegated to watching my wife of 23 yrs suffer & eventually die for nuclear's lie[s] :(…

          • itsanuclearwar

            I don't think that the seed vaults they built were for the ETs.

            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              Seed banks might be an example for the nuke-puke species being of this Earth,but if it applies as an example that defends their kind as being something that evolved on our planet naturally & with identical DNA to ours then I'm saddened by the likelihood of true humanity & another possible answer,despite & albeit a somewhat off the wall possible explanation for their actions,lack of concern for public-safety or common-sense logic or a heart/soul or remorse in lieu of lies,disinformation & denial that people like us would replace/rule with compassion,concern,& immediate action to reverse course & try our damnedest to stave off what their kind seems to WANT to go down badly if they were real people without any strange,inhuman anomalies aside from warped brains & mindless continuation of nuclear policies that had been weighed,measured & found not only wanting but despicably evil & "anti-life", genocidal, un-natural & WRONG for those who care about the world & all of the innocent beings whether man,wildlife,flora & fauna being subjected to harm based on weak allegations that nuclear power continuing,even expanding is somehow a "good" thing or holds even a slim chance of being worth the damages if incurs on ALL things collectively being propagated by those who accept material gain to support what they must surely know inside is both deadly & wrong considering their track records of failure & the gambles they took &[we]lost!So then,not "ET's",just human filth[?]!! 🙁 FTNWO!

              • itsanuclearwar

                I don't know the answer Johnny, its out of might league. I have a hard time believing its ETs, but you are right, they are not like us. Best I can come up with is inbred psychopaths and or transhumanism, maybe inbred psychopathic transhumenoids, which all leads to international banking scumbags that own everything under the sun, almost. Although they do own us, we are not totally under their control and we have guns. As such, we are still a threat to their new world order. That is why fuku was done by design. America is under attack, and on many fronts, and most are clueless. That is why all the shills here at enenews. Trying to conceal that we are under attack, the nuclear attack. The best place to stage this is Japan, can't see it from here. This was planned many years ago, probably before Eisenhower. Americans role in regards to the global picture has been consumers and the international police force. This is being phased out and so are we. The only thing that keeps them in line at all is armed America. Guns are not much help though when you have a sick and disabled radiated population of old baby boomers, and for the most part, totally brainwashed.

                This is the stuff that stock, vannev and many more do not want to be exposed and why I AM SO LIKED HERE AT ENEWS(SARC) That and because I exposed the shills by name, pissed them off big time. This place is crawling with them, some are slicker than others, or in reality, slimier.

                Respectfully, good on you Johnny

                • itsanuclearwar

                  Areas that the shills lie about is the fact that HAARP caused Fuku, done by design, and that the chemtrails are used with HAARP and Gwen towers to own the weather. The atmosphere due to all the chemtrails is now a plasma state. As a plasma much can be done with electromagnetism and such. Planet earth is now a weapon, physically and mentally. This is nothing new. A link to a site with the history of weather control. Don't expect the shills here to even acknowledge this info nor the site. According to them, none of this info/evidence even exists. That way they can gang up and spread more dis info and attack the messenger rather than the message.

                  The History of Weather Control
                  http://climateviewer.com/weather-control/index.html

                  Begins with:

                  "January 3, 1887

                  Reroute warm ocean currents to melt the polar icecaps!"

                  Here we are, in the 21st century, and many people still believe there is no weather control going on. The fact is, they totally own the weather, can create earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and tsunamis, and much more. It is a brave new world.

        • The decrease in male sperm quality has been ongoing since the end of worldcorp war two. It is a great puzzlement????

        • They will have to re create all life on the planet.

          Impossible.

          Fools folly.

          Stop making the DNA destroying poison.

          Simple. Easy

      • All of that research, like the GMO industry, is based on 'fighting' Nature, or creating 'artificial' things.

        The end result may be VERY profitable in the short term, but the race to the extinction bottom is still going to happen, because there is no winning against Nature.

        Either humanity works in harmony with Nature and her laws regarding healing and health, or humanity suffers and dies.

        • Homolumina Homolumina

          http://www.initiatemen.com – not working in harmony with – but against nature is caused by the disconnect from nature, including oneself's…

        • PlowboyGrownUp

          Some of the native americans were expert in using plants as medicine that worked.

          • Some original Americans still are using plants as medicine that works. Issue: they are now full of ELEments, and are of little use when contaminated with radio isotopes.

            Not a good alterative for those of us with zero tolerance for AMA drugs whatsoever. I am a skull cancer survivor and only use herb/plant remedies for pain and other ailments of major surgery including bone removal and replacement.

            AMA drugs are most likely the worst carcinogens other than nuclear waste/fallout. Carl Sagan was forced to use the word "soot" as description of what I will term as 'Nuclear Ash'. An electrostatic, levitating free ion mix of Cs133 Cs137 Ba137 'metal crystal snowflakes' in my definition of "Nuclear Winter". Also Sr90 based Celestite 'Ice' Who knows how many Bucky ball cage molecules, clutching nasty U, PU, etc. will be nested in each particulate.

            Mars has an interesting Carbon laser effect in it's atmosphere. MASOR / LASER effect can be enhanced using Cs137. So what does Earth have in store for strange laser/atmospheric events ahead. Power pills for some bizzare Carrington effect plasma beast perhaps?

            http://laserstars.org/history/mars.html

            http://depts.washington.edu/qcomp/pdfs/Tom%20REU%20Paper.pdf

      • We Not They Finally

        Also part of the vicious cycle (well, vicious for US): You give people the disease, then you patent medical technologies to combat it. It's a win-win money-wise, a lose-lose for ethics and people. GE a good example.

    • itsanuclearwar

      Transhumanism is my best guess. TPTB have something up their sleeve. They did not do all of this blindly, only a fool would believe they don't have something to get them through this. And it's not about greed and profits. It is all about exterminating us, not them.

      • itsa, your shite is just insane. If you truly believe that, then just leave. You are discrediting this site with wild fringe conspiracy theories.

        TPTB are evil and powerful, greedy, and STUPID. There are far better ways to kill off large groups of people than by a long term radiation of the entire planet and entire ecosystem.

  • Nick

    WCID:
    ". I've not been immediately exposed to fallout or live anywhere need a nuclear power plant. "

    Think again. ALL of us have been exposed to fallout; from weapons testing,
    illegal dumping of radioactive wastes, legal dumping of radioactive toxins, and failed fission piles over the decades.

    The rise in thyroid cancer is just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Thyroid is important, but the first wave caused way more than thyroid issues in MANY people. I was there at UCLA in 2012 I know.

    Damn well nearly killed me. So folks take precaution mouth sore that will not go away are signs of a far worse cancer, and the oral legions are for sure the biggest menace out here so far OTHER than the thyroid numbers in ever increasing amounts.

    http://drsircus.com/medicine/sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/cancer-studies-ph-medicine

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/03/natural-cancer-treatment.aspx

    What cancer can do to your body. First hand it's what happened to me. PP2

    http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/CesiumSky/library/Cesium%20Sky/ELEmentSky/Garden%20Of%20ELEden?sort=6&page=1

  • Cooter

    Taking off from SP's words ("If it wasn't documented… It never happened") is the truth of the matter at hand. Ignoring current scientific data, by doctors, about ionizing radiation and it's affects on human beings shows contempt to their own science and a lack of moral perpetuate to the world.

    Their ineptness of knowledge on this subject astounds me. Can they not read one of their own scientific journals that exposes the fallacies of their thinking?

    The link below addresses the prior essences of the argument; of risk, dose and those scientists responsible to express & expose the truth and lies about ionizing radiation.

    Title;
    "Proceedings of the 3rd International Conference of the European Committee on Radiation Risk;" Edited by Chris Busby, Pub Oct. 2011.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/79306180/Fukushima-and-Health-What-to-Expect-Busby

  • micky thered micky thered

    doctors wiping their arses on their hippocratic oaths. is there any strata in life left that isn't rotten to the core?

  • Nick

    GMI is here to stay!!!

  • Sol Man

    We see part of The Program, written by others, sold by the msm, and instituted by members of congress and their alphabet agencies.

    Destruction.

  • lam335 lam335

    The author's position in the NYT's op-ed is based upon a false dichotomy. On his account, either you screen early, find early cancers, and then aggressively treat the "majority" of them by removing the thyroid OR you simply don't look, don't find them, and thus leave people's thyroids alone with no idea whether there might be a cancer in there.

    This is fallacious logic, since there is a third option. They can screen people and identify very early cancers, but, instead of immediately removing the thyroid, they can instead continue to monitor those patients regularly. If the cancer begins to show signs of developing to an extent that it could pose a problem, it can then be dealt with in a more timely manner, before it gets a chance to grow into an even bigger and more dangerous problem.

    I don't see how NOT looking AT ALL (and thus allowing a cancer to potentially grow and even spread in secret for years) is better than screening early and continuing to monitor if a cancer deemed too small to pose a threat in the near term is found. Dr. Welch is basically claiming that ignorance (on the part of both doctor and patient) is better than informed restraint and watchfulness.

    One would think a professor of medicine would be able to write an essay that is not built upon a logical fallacy that any first-year writing student ought to learn to avoid in freshman comp.

    • Shaker1

      Is logic really taught anymore in school, or has the course simply devolved into teaching rhetoric?

      I see so much very convoluted and outright contradictions in some very educated argument that it drives me crazy. And, then oftentimes what's worse, their plain use of the language is terrible.

    • amberlight amberlight

      "Before I go, this reminder… MedlinePlus.gov is authoritative. It's free. We do not accept advertising …and is written to help you."

      It's NOT FREE! This is a government site supported by the money scammed out of people who actually WORK for a living every 15th of April!

  • ftlt

    http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/98/13/897.full

    A 2006 thyroid cancers paper announced regarding Chernobyl cancer finding

    Wonder what the studies from around 3 Mile Island showed?

    This whole thing stinks of money and insanity.

    “Civilization is a hopeless race to discover remedies for the evils it produces.”
    ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau

  • Nick

    Basically what we are witnessing is an absurd attempt by some in the medical profession to COVER-UP the fact that radiation is TATAL.

    Toxic
    At
    The
    Atomic
    Level.

    Now, I don't want credit for being a TATAL teller, but I will be applying for a copyright on GMI.

    Global Mass Insanity.

    You tell me if I am incorrect in my assertion that:

    1. Since TATAL is affecting our brains.

    2. Most humans no longer have glitch-free brain pans

    3. Therefore we are all going bat-shit crazy, one neuron-less at a time.

    This thyroid crap is a PERFECT example of what I assert to be evidence of GMI!

  • Nick

    "…want to eliminate the Affordable Care Act, state by state if necessary, even if that means millions of people will lose access to affordable health care. Friday’s announcement means they are now a little closer to their goal."

    Not to worry. Since that cyst on your thyroid is normal, the insurance companies will come up with a provision to deny you any healthcare as it relates to your thyroid anyway.

    GMI

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Good point. Now that Obamacare has destroyed the health care industry in the US, the Republicans want to destroy Obamacare, and certainly have not told us that they have anything to replace it with.

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      The answer, Nick, is, of course, single payer healthcare.
      The insurance companies have done nothing but rip people off.
      There is a profession of these insurance company ripoff artists.
      They are called "Actuaries".
      The insurance companies have made an art of selling you "health insurance" that denies you the care when you need it.
      Then, they raise your rates to make sure they are covered because you are sick.
      The insurance companies, taken all together, have not so much as cured anyone of a headache, in all the years of both of our lives.
      Dump health insurance!
      Make those people earn an honest living for a change. 😉

      • AirSepTech AirSepTech

        Exactly PUN.
        A gigantic pile of useless effort.

        It will fail, there are too many 'profit takers' in an endeavor that should be not for profit at all.

        But the good side is your 401k can grow while you get sicker.

        We really live in dipshit times.

  • Iodine Showing Up In Water Near Ports Of LA, Long Beach – 30th October 2014

    This raises lots of questions, if the source is from the local sewer systems.

    Iodine is commonly used to diagnose and treat thyroid cancers, so are far more people now being treated for Thyroid cancer?

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/10/30/iodine-showing-up-in-water-near-ports-of-la-long-beach/

  • Divide and conquer, using fear.

    Simple, effective.

    Mass media propaganda first gets a group going in one direction, (Pro Romney plan) then switches them to complete polar opposite, (anti Obamacare) and it works, every time.

    Obamacare is a really good example of how this divide and conquer US mass media propaganda campaign works..

    Amazing, breathtaking, and very simple.

    Meanwhile, the root issues remain, unsolved and unaddressed.

    • tarpus

      Backasswards world we live in. As Mr. Brand puts it, (not a big fan of Brand but every now and then he surprises me) 4 billion spent on the (s)election but it's illegal to feed the homeless.

      Meanwhile Putin talks about LOVE of all things…when's the last time you heard the(poly)tics talk of LOVE?

      Fear is the mechanism used for thousand of years too control the populace.

      Fear or love – it's just a choice…Bill Hicks
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1RQmnSJoRg

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    tarpus, Excellent! 🙂

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    My doctor, one of the true great family md's imo, in commenting on my hardened thyroid nodes, sanguinely informed me that about 75% of people my age have the same. He always checks me over pretty carefully. I lived within 10 miles of a npp for 15 years.

    Enjoy every sandwich.

  • dosdos dosdos

    The problem is not scanning or diagnosis, but determining the best treatment for what is found. Before any tumor is removed or aggressively treated, it should be determined if it malignant or benign. A benign or pre-cancerous tumor should simply be watched for any sudden activity level before it is addressed with aggressive therapy.

    Cancer treatment these days is responsible for more than half the deaths related to cancer. All too often doctors use treatments such as chemo that destroy the immune system, which leads to death by infections that wouldn't normally be an issue in a healthy person.

    The correction needed is not a reduction in diagnosis, but a change in the approach to treatment.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Best and first approach to treatment is to shut down the entire Nuclear Industry which is/that is giving everyone the cancers.. 🙂

  • or-well

    When you can't see the World,
    anymore, through your tears,
    shed for all suffering
    Boys and Girls,
    mayhaps you'll look inward
    and conquer your fears
    of ridding our race
    of the wolves in the fold.

    Interpret that any way you like.

    • tarpus

      Amen, Namaste & pass the Dutchie to the left hand side 🙂

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      +311 or-well!, I chose how to interpret it as far as what we know needs to be done & I have a feeling my thoughts on 2-legged wolves & rats eradication methods are mirrored by nearly all of us here who "are who we say we are" & for "good" reasons,but it's not[yet]wise to get too loud or descriptive while this epidemic of "programmed" global nuclear apathy remains effectively in place. Nobody except for a handful of "us" knew or understand that TPTB screwed a silencer onto the muzzle of MSM which suppressed the modern-day version of "The Shot Heard Round the World" aka "311/Fukushima"! 🙁
      When the time comes for power to return to common men & women with conscience,common-sense & souls to search for the answers to all of the damage & harm done to the Earth's land,seas & inhabitants there shouldn't be any struggling with indecision or denial. The lines have been drawn in the radioactive sand already but the longer it takes for the main body of the public's victims to choose which side they're on the less likely the chances of smoothly transitioning into a better world governed by good-hearted,genuine people trying to fix what the Industrial Revolution,evil and/or reckless,incompetent "elite" corporate/govt. has broken. It's literally a crying shame but here we are now with a slim chance & narrowing window of opportunity left to try to stave off the end of humanity & civilization. IMHO the momentum will shift in our favor but will there still be time to…

  • MochiMadness

    Although it seems like it at first blush, I don't believe that this is what the article is stating. What Dr. Brawley's stance on this is–is that we overdiagnose in this country. And yes. It skews the data. NOT because we want to "avoid" admitting there is a problem. The problem arises when benign tumors or slow growing tumors are diagnosed and the patient AND the practitioner go bat-shit crazy (and they do) on highly aggressive (and sometimes lethal) treatments that have little to no evidence of being "more effective" than standard, more conservative treatment…like waiting and watching (as they do ofttimes for prostate cancer. it's slow growing). Here is an article that Dr. Brawley penned in 2012,being very clear on why he feels this way.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/30/health/how-we-do-harm-brawley/index.html

    That said–do I think that thyroid abnormalities should not be reported until they are full on malignant tumors with mets? Absolutely not. But they are CORRECT that screening makes the apparent incidence skyrocket. Because they are including all data sets. Screening is a wonderful thing for some patients, as it can catch very fast growing tumors in time. But it also "catches" slow growing or benign tumors, which can be as harmful to the patients as a lethal form of cancer can be.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Nice take and yes it needs to be 100% transformed.. 🙂

      That process does not include hiding evidence of Manmade Nuclear Radiation Contamination created harm and/or the Nuclear Industry's role in the thyroid damage now occurring worldwide.

      People usually go to the doctor when they do not feel well, sudden lack of energy, emotional swings, sudden weight gain etc. since they sense something is wrong with them.

      The only known verified/provable cause of the current increased thyroid damage and cancer we see now here in the USA and then worldwide is Manmade Radiation Contamination. 🙁

      Shut them all down ..now! 🙂

      We should not hide from the demon causing such biological damage in broad daylight. 🙁

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      I hope you're right Mochi??!! I'd like to retain my gratitude to the American Cancer Society for their part in my wife having survived thus far at 2.5 years or "halfway" into the "5-yr plan" which has the odds of her still being alive and/or free of cancer stacked against her with only a 20% chance that she'll still be alive on Valentine's Day 2017 & 80% likely that she will not[?]!! 🙁
      I'd like to think that there's SOME organization or respected top medical official who HASN'T/WOULDN'T sold their soul to the corrupt corporate/industrial/govt. entities oddly,if not sickeningly entranced by the flawed,failed & fatally-fouled obsolete nuclear technology sector's broken promises & dirty money they don't seem to stand a chance to live long enough to spend & enjoy at any rate the way things are looking post-311,which IMO is among,if not *THE* release event that strips away the facade of nuclear not being connected to or able to be proven as one of,if not *THE* leading cause of cancer & deaths since the dawn of the Atomic Age. Some of us are bitter & less than polite when speaking of or especially TO members of the nuke cartel.I reject any attempts by their ranks to use our angry rants or examples of "troll-jousting" that may appear to be irrational or too "extreme" during less than polite exchanges that occur when fed up with instigating,pro-nuke presences.Newbies or visitors turned off will better understand when they or loved ones sit in the chemo chair!…

  • or-well

    This guy has written lots on the USA "sickcare" system –

    http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly14/sickcare7-14.html

    "Large-scale rackets like sickcare cannot survive without a Central State that collects taxes and funnels the proceeds to the racketeers, who of course have bought political influence with their plundered profits. This is a self-reinforcing system that cannot be reformed in any meaningful way. It will bankrupt the nation and then we'll have a chance to start over with an affordable, efficient, fair system that is focused on prevention and health rather than profiting from disease, fraud and lawsuits."

    http://newmedicinefoundation.com/Articles/tabid/67/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/16/US-Declining-Sick-Care-System-a-Large-Factor-in-Continuing-Economic-Crisis.aspx

    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.ca/2012/05/americas-hidden-8-vat-sickcare.html

    If you're a US citizen, I recommend this guy's writing on healthcare and many other issues.
    If you're looking for "fringe" ..don't bother.

  • ecoguy57

    TEPCO the Japanese nuclear power company continues to lie to the people of Japan and to the world about the true levels of radiation released into the atmosphere, ground and into the Pacific Ocean! TEPCO also continues to dump millions of gallons of radioactive waste into the Pacific Ocean nonstop every single day to contaminate the plant life, insects, fish, ocean life and animals. There is now verified proof of DNA damage and mutations throughout the food chain and we humans are next to suffer! and if we don't detox our bodies suffer we will! Experts recommend to commence detoxing with the natural mineral called zeolite that is proven to safely remove both radiation and heavy metals from the human body.This detox is VERY important to help prevent DNA damage that will cause disease and future ongoing mutations! For more quality information do an online search for the single word Zeolite.

  • Checkmate

    I want to thank all the alternative Cancers homeopaths, etc., who use alternative methods to treat cancer more reasonably and do a good job.
    And I wish to kick all MDs and DOs in the arse for using surgery, radiation, and Chemo which costs a fortune and gives only 1% of patients a few months more to live.

    Now, has anyone heard of the cheapest method to cure most Cancers. Try Arm & Hammer baking soda. Read PH Kills Cancer or on youtube, also rub 5% iodine for skin cancer. Did your wonderful doctor tell you- that all your problems are from eating sugar, PERIOD! (Meaning not the natural kind such as from apples or fruit, etc.) Did he???? H%ll no! No money in that!!!

    Good luck all and investigate first before taking drastic action. In my opinion in most cases even 4th stage cancer usually won't kill you immediately when found…so I think there is time to investigate…

  • weeman

    Another pure dead brilliant philosophy.
    All nuclear plants emit radioactive gases, it is a by-product of a nuclear reaction and try as you may, a certain percentage is released in one form or a other into the environment, hense the spike in cancer rates around nuclear plants.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, correct! 🙂

    But then, many countries changed the entire toxic load for the whole planet, when they sprinkled Nuclear Poisons all over the world under the guise of created fear.

    All these players should be placed in jail..certainly one reason why top secret was invented.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

    The well-meaning people at the food bank got a "treat" for me: California seaweed. I turned it down one week. The next week someone asked if I had tried it. I had to tell them that I turn down everything from the Pacific including seaweed because it is too radioactive. the poor woman looked just sick. I told her that I don't have a Geiger counter, but radiation concentrates in seaweed. And I'm restricting my seaweed to the Atlantic. Of course, that is radioactive also, just hopefully less radioactive than Pacific seaweed.

    • Angela_R

      "I had to tell them that I turn down everything from the Pacific including seaweed because it is too radioactive. the poor woman looked just sick." That's sad, but what can you do.."

      Last year a friend invited me to lunch; it turned out to be at a Japanese restaurant; menu only had seafood. Not wishing to offend, I ate; I prayed while doing so. The next time, I ate very little.

      This week was 'Party Tuesday', Melbourne Cup. The subject of Nuclear power arose and the comment of 'how clean it is' was made….
      that was enough.
      Hope, i still retain them as friends.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      IMHO a good friend makes a good example. Actions speak much louder than worlds.

      • Angela_R

        VanneV, the matter had already been addressed on previous occasions; it serves no purpose to ram things home. One can hardly be a guest and refuse the food provided.

        Unfortunately on Tuesday, given the 'office' of one of the parties, I felt I should say more.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Angela, so now you respond with an ad homina attack when people are trying to save lives? I haven't read every single post on this website and I doubt anyone else has. You like to quote the Bible, why I really don't know. Haven't you ever heard of being your brother's keeper? This most often refers to not drinking because there are others who become alcoholics. Surely, you have also heard: God helps those who help themselves. If someone knows that eating Pacific seafood will bring death on a person, praying for God to save you while letting your "friend" die of the radiation is hardly harkening to the truth.

          • Angela_R

            "Angela, so now you respond with an ad homina attack when people are trying to save lives?"

            Pardon? Where is the ad homina attack?

            As I stated i had previously addressed the issues with the parties i was lunching with, I do not think they would have appreciated my raising the matter again. Though on Tuesday i sought to address the general subject of radiation.

            "Haven't you ever heard of being your brother's keeper?"
            No, my brother has his rights to his own determinations.

            " If someone knows that eating Pacific seafood will bring death on a person, praying for God to save you while letting your "friend" die of the radiation is hardly harkening to the truth."

            No Vanne, I don't have a absolutist belief that ALL pacific seafood will kill, I DO have a FEAR that it might.
            I live in the South Pacific, and that is where the restaurant is situated. Their seafood was likely sourced from the local area. However I prayed to God to overcome my fear that it may not have been.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Angela_R
              November 8, 2014 at 1:42 am
              VanneV, the matter had already been addressed on previous occasions; it serves no purpose to ram things home. One can hardly be a guest and refuse the food provided.
              http://enenews.com/nytimes-doctors-call-banning-thyroid-cancer-screening-tsunami-thyroid-cancer-stop-diagnosis-decrease-screening-need-actively-discourage-early-detection/comment-page-1#comment-600030

              I thought you were talking about me ramming the topic home…

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                My understanding of the world is that all animal based foods are 20 times more radioactive than plant based food. Do you really think that the elevated rates of melanoma in Australia are caused solely by the sun? Uraniium testing and mining are also lethal. And the South Pacific also receives receives radioactivity from rain and the ocean from the Northern Hemisphere.

                Who knows where they are dumping nuclear waste these days, and mining uranium and extracting the 1% or less of uranium from the mined earth puts chemicals and radon and uranium dust in fine particles which leach into the ocean , i.e. , the South Pacific, and the fine particles join the rain and are breathed in by everyone on the earth.

                • Angela_R

                  Don't know how many times but I think you would be right re the radioactive progression up the chain would be more of concern.

                  "Do you really think that the elevated rates of melanoma in Australia are caused solely by the sun?" No. The ionizing rays from nuclear tests and emissions are also in our atmosphere. But I think we have less shielding from the sun's rays here. However, that may be changing everywhere.

                  I've just written a long note to a relative re the dangers of radioactivity. We don't have the emissions from reactors here in Australia, though the fallout from old tests would still have an effect. The concentration of uranium provided for nuclear is far and away more concentrated that what would ever be found naturally.

                  It is in the nuclear process where the splitting of the nucleus, (and I will try to always refer to it as such, your point was well made) occurs, separating the isotopes, then bombardsing them, dividing them, sometimes again and again.
                  Personally I cannot conceive how the waste could ever be referred to as uranium. The core, the heart of the element AND the individual isotopes, have been altered; 'all the kings horses and all the kings men will never put that uranium together again.'

                  • Angela_R

                    Underground mining puts one in a confined space with dust and gas. (Currently there is concern re coal dust traveling via train in open hoppers.)

                    The uranium dust though, is still uranium ore, it is not even separated into uranium until the enrichment process, which, to my knowledge, is not done in Australia.

                    No radioactive isotope has been separated, nor has it been split by neutrons until processed in the nuclear reactor. Also I believe the radioactive charge is tempered when together with its 'siblings'; the element is also still whole.

                    I have sought to reacquaint myself with uranium mining, though I have never been to a mine, and also tried to mentally revisit the nuclear process.

                    btw. I never chose to study Science, neither did my parents choose it for me

              • Angela_R

                No VanneV, I wasn't.
                I'm sorry that you thought that.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Angela, I'm sorry I misunderstood your post. I didn't have time to reply this morning.

                  My daughter puts butter on everything on Thanksgiving and Christmas. I have to cook for myself and bring all the vegetables for myself so I can avoid the butter. There are really other choices besides butter that are better anyway in my opinion.

    • VoxDei VoxDei

      There is natural uranium in seawater. So you would expect any radiation readings from seaweed to be exclusively from Fukushima? It doesn't add up.

      • melting mermaid melting mermaid

        The Vedas say, none can right the wrong but him who does the wrong. Very true in the case of nuclear. You say all we do is bitch and high five each other, but what can I do? I'm a housewife. I'm not an engineer or a nuclear physicist, I'm just a segment of the vox populi, who thinks your industry is batshit crazy and are taking industrial pollution and institutional self preservation to new and terrifying levels everyday. Clean up your mess and plug that tiny little hole in the earth, called Fukushima, then we will listen to you.

  • I shall pray for a tipping point, tonight.

    And then tomorrow, I shall joust about.

  • Bones Bones

    My God is it any more obvious the contempt these "gate-keepers" of western hegemony in absolutely ever facet of ours and others lives, for human beings? THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US FOR MONEY AND PERCEIVED POWER! They are trying to publicly say they sold their souls to the oligarchs. We are mere cattle to be thinned for their "benefit." It's beyond obvious at this point. This is a concerted effort and there are no such things as coincidences.

    • Angela_R

      I suspect a lot more is known than we have grasped. Many leading scientists, politicians, religious leaders etc. are having input into a global initiative. The following paragraphs are somewhat transparent; I note two of the difficulties confronting mankind and mentioned constantly on ENENEWS, i.e. radiation and lack of oxygen, are included in the paragraph below.

      "The new human being will receive a huge range of abilities and will be capable of withstanding extreme external conditions easily: high temperatures, pressure, radiation, lack of oxygen, etc. Using a neural-interface humans will be able to operate several bodies of various forms and sizes remotely."

      "Modern civilization, with its space stations, nuclear submarines, iPhones and Segways cannot save mankind from the limitations in the physical abilities of our bodies, nor from diseases and death."

      I personally believe that the above paragraphs indicate, that this concept is partially driven by the urgent awareness that our biological form may not cope with the crises already perceived.
      http://www.2045.com

      But, as I see it, yet again man is proceeding contrary to nature.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Sounds to me that they have lost their minds.

        • Oh great, that's all we need; the six million dollar psychopath!!

        • Angela_R

          "Sounds to me that they have lost their minds."

          Perhaps I mistakenly interpret, however
          they appear to think they need to intervene. They seek to produce an artificial container to house the mind, the personality, 'the Being of the I'. Maybe, this for those whose health is failing, though from the paragraphs quoted in my post, they are aware of the huge problems confronting the earth.

          I don't know whether you can comprehend the following:
          "All these observation lead to the understanding of what is called the wave-particle duality. This principle states that energy or an energy wave has both a wave nature and a particle nature and particles, with or without a mass, also have a wave nature and a particle nature and it only depends on the environment condition as to which is observed. Another way of saying this is that how we choose to observe the energy will determined if it expresses itself as a wave or a particle."

          http://ryuc.info/creativityphysics/energy/electromagnetic_waves.htm

          My understanding of this leads me to see that maybe science now knows that our energy could exist without material form. But until they learn how, they seek the medium of a robot body.

          However, while I expect a large number of enthusiasts have no nefarious motive, there are those who have used experimental processes on innocent people. The hit and miss, the disregard, the easily dismissed collateral damage, the blatant lies have done nothing to instil trust.

          • They have been experimenting with microwave based control systems for some time, but terrestrial broadcasting in the vhf and uhf frequency bands were blocking the spread. With the introduction of digital broadcasting this problem has been overcome. What a great way of brain controlling masses by using mobile phone towers and spread transmission to further their aim.

            They being the enemy of humanity and the rapists of your children's future. They couldn't care less if you lived or died. They bribe their minions with bonus payments and status ,as they and their masters drop like flies from their own creations.

            Sick are they that have reversed; warned by previous failed civilizations.

            This time they tempt a time of no return, sick with the belief that they must die to live. Rape, pillage, betray, steal, boast, the attributes of Saturn.

            hmmmm: Got some X class flares forming on the sun, earth bound, keep a watch. When in doubt turn the detector off, to the public anyway. Typical!

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Because we can, does not mean we should, but it appears we will.. 🙁

        Pandoras box has been opened and no turning back the clock of time now..

        • Their tryin' but they cannot reverse engineer a Kelliton drive system. Dizzy ducks.

          These mad scientist traitors may even destabilize the magnetic flux fields of the planet trying.

          Silly billy goats.

          Im glad im stupid and a moron. Worthless and worthy of rejection. I can eat cheesecake anywhere I want. If i cannot disasters seem to occur. I call it Karma.

        • VoxDei VoxDei

          There is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

          • or-well

            It's not a genie. There's no bottle.
            There's an industry corrupt from its beginning.
            There's lies and lying propagandists.
            There's a technology that was never clean, safe, efficient, necessary or affordable.
            There's rotting nuke plants begging for operating extensions.
            There's those like you. Agent or True Believer?

            • VoxDei VoxDei

              Its a genie called nuclear science. Man is moving forward.

              • Jebus Jebus

                Man is moving forward. This $1.00 calls it.

                Man is ready to split with the atoms for peace meme…

              • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Only problem with your "moving forward" painting, voice of the deceiver…is that there is a wall in front of us , and someone think's he has a right to force a denial upon humanity that it will be an unpleasant way coming to a halt… just because they got a gain on the wheel by lying about being a good driver that know's what's best for the passenger's..
                Does not make it true , nor does it give's you the right to continue holding us hostage of your madness..
                The only right to kill you have..is yourself..

                • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  Jebus i was till typing when you posted that , i'm not stalking you or anything lol

                  • Jebus Jebus

                    lol, I was gonna reply to yours and I canceled.

                    Her's what I had…

                    Awesome DID, but too copmlicated for a select few.

                    I'll simplify it.

                    Oh, the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round.
                    Oh, the wheels on the bus go round and round, now they've fallen off…

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Vox, if your Nuclear genie is allowed free reign over the surface of this planet, then we out here are all screwed forever.. 🙁

                Choose wisely my friend.

          • Jebus Jebus

            Ya, you got that right!

            Tepco Reports Second Deadly Radiation Reading at Fukushima Nuclear Plant

            The utility known as Tepco said yesterday it detected 5 sieverts of radiation per hour in the No. 1 reactor building. On Aug. 1 in another area it recorded radiation of 10 sieverts per hour, enough to kill a person “within a few weeks” after a single exposure, according to the World Nuclear Association.

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-02/tepco-reports-second-deadly-radiation-reading-at-fukushima-plant.html

            Notice how they show a stock chart instead…

            What are the readings now, my friend?

            Is it five hundred or a thousand times more?

          • Jebus Jebus

            Here's how high it was last year…

            TV: Highest ever radiation levels detected outside reactor buildings at Fukushima — People exposed to it would die in 20 minutes (VIDEO)

            Asahi Shimbun, Dec. 7, 2013: Record outdoor radiation level detected at Fukushima plant — [Tepco] said Dec. 6 it detected the highest estimated radiation level for an outdoor location at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. The reading of 25 sieverts per hour was taken on steel piping near an exhaust stack for the No. 1 and No. 2 reactors, TEPCO said. […] A TEPCO official said radioactive materials derived from melted fuel likely entered the piping during venting soon after the accident […]

            http://enenews.com/tv-highest-ever-radiation-levels-detected-outside-reactor-buildings-at-fukushima-people-exposed-to-it-would-die-in-20-minutes-video

            What is it now Ron?

            Use your pathetic pagan physics training on that.

            Remember, the flux is a sphere…

          • Jebus Jebus

            A sphere of influence.

            It's an output function…

            Radiation levels in Fukushima bay highest since measurements began – reports
            Published time: August 19, 2013 18:43
            Edited time: August 20, 2013 12:36

            TEPCO said the highest radiation level was detected near reactor 1. Previous measurements showed tritium levels at 3800 becquerels per liter near reactor 1, and 2600 becquerels per liter near reactor 2. The concentration of tritium in the harbor’s seawater has been continuously rising since May, according to Nikkei.

            http://rt.com/news/fukushima-sea-radiation-highest-686/

            Like endless red ink on a white rug.

            Pretty soon, everything is gonna be pink…

    • 53rockwell 53rockwell

      If it was a coincidence, they would make a mistake in our favor sometimes. None Dare Call It Conspiracy.

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