NYTimes: “Japan is clearly living in denial” says Fukushima investigation chairman — Plant recently took sharp turn for the worse — Nuclear experts doubt if melted fuel can be removed

Published: September 15th, 2013 at 8:08 am ET
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Title: Fukushima disaster deepens with new errors
Source: China Daily
Author: Martin Fackler (New York Times)
Date: Sept. 15, 2013

[...] “Japan is clearly living in denial,” said Kiyoshi Kurokawa, a medical doctor who led an investigation last year into the causes of the accident. “Water keeps building up inside the plant, and debris keeps piling up outside of it.”

Problems at the plant seemed to take a sharp turn for the worse in July with the discovery of leaks of contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean. [...]

Nuclear experts also questioned the government’s longer-term plan to extract the fuel cores from the reactors, which would eliminate the major source of contamination. Some doubted whether it was even technically feasible to extricate the fuel because of the extent of the damage during the explosions and meltdowns. [...]

See also: New York Times: Experts warn molten fuel may be underground beneath Fukushima reactor buildings -- Doubt that it can be extricated

Published: September 15th, 2013 at 8:08 am ET
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33 comments to NYTimes: “Japan is clearly living in denial” says Fukushima investigation chairman — Plant recently took sharp turn for the worse — Nuclear experts doubt if melted fuel can be removed

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    I am finally starting to speak about about this crisis telling select people, people with an open mind, about the meltdown cover-up and to beware of fish from the Pacific Ocean. I spoke to a co-worker of mine who is originally from Russia about this issue after he discussed his love for sushi with me. He then told me something quite shocking. He told me that he lived only 35 kilometers away from Chernobyl for over 8 years and that it has had no ill effects on his health. The man looks healthy to me.

    When the Fukushima Daichi incident first happened in March 2011 I also remember telling a person who once lived in Russia about it and he had a similar story. That person told me not to worry because they had grown up near Chernobyl and they were just fine.

    I'm a little confused now regarding the effect that radiation has on humans. I know it does have a negative effect on DNA integrity and can cause internal damage, but maybe the effects are not as widespread as we think they would be.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Yes. It's been described as a Negative Lotto.

        That's part of why it is so sinister. We can't see it, feel it, taste it, touch it in the first place. Then if let's say, only one in ten winds up with some serious health effects(or SEEMS to — genetic damage can be internal and passed down), is this "an acceptable loss"?

        Then what about the next generation where it's one in five? (The damage gets WORSE generationally, not better)? And what about infertility where you see no outward health effect?

        What about now the OCEAN impacts whole food chain over the course of time? Irreversibly? Or the loss of IQ? Radiation does that too.

        But zardos, if you want to, go look up what mutant children from Chernobyl look like. Or from Fallujah from that matter, where the only exposure was from depleted uranium. It's so "negative lotto" there that there is 80% chance of a deformed child. When it was ALL preventable.

        Oh, forgot the factor of ongoing massive uncontained radiation now, hardly just a one-dose deal.

        O.k., the kicker: We were born on the heels of WWII when cancer was RARE. In the eighties, it started to become COMMON, due to bomb tests in the 50's/60's. But even those tests were strung out over time. We've got full-force catastrophe here ongoing.

        Go look at Chris Busby who actually knows about Chernobyl. Or MOret on Fallujah. Also: Don't eat sushi! Please!


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        • We Not They Finally

          P.S Your friend sounds quite arrogant not to even CARE what happened to his part of the world.


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        • We Not They Finally

          Zardoz should also look back on article on ENE News about just a year later, 60% of the kids under 12 already had diabetes (just one of the radionuclides, yytrium-90 causes that) and over one-third already had thyroid nodules. That's quick and disastrous, whether every child was affected or not.

          We need accurate ongoing med stats from historically secret Japan. Then we won't fret so much about the survivors of Chernobyl that seem to have emerged unscathed.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      Two ancedotal stories does not make radionuclide contamination safe.
      Look at the data. It is out there and here on this site.
      Step back and study the big picture from Marie Curies fatal mistakes to Fukushima. If you use critical thinking skills and look at ALL the data, your mind and soul are awakened to the nightmare that we are in today with nuclear weapons and nuclear power.
      Once your mind and soul is awakened to the truth, you will never question yourself on this again…


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    • VanneV anne

      'Every inch of the land is full of suffering and sorrow': Eerie monochrome pictures capture the desolation of exclusion zone around abandoned Chernobyl nuclear plant
      Catastrophe at Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine in 1986 sent clouds of radiation into the atmosphere
      Worst nuclear power plant accident in history occurred when a systems test went disastrously wrong
      Kiev-based photographer Arthur Bondar has captured eerie shots of exclusion zone surrounding abandoned plant
      Exclusion zone is largely uninhabited but for a few residents who refused to leave their homes
      Mr Bondar said he wanted to capture 'mystical' aspects of a land where 'every inch is full of suffering and sorrow'
      27 April 2013
      “…Tragedy: The fallout from the nuclear disaster was so dangerous Soviet authorities evacuated 350,000 residents, establishing an exclusion zone extending 19 miles out from the plant in all directions…”

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315737/Chernobyl-Eerie-monochrome-pictures-capture-desolation-exclusion-zone-abandoned-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz2exznmBx3


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    • VanneV anne

      Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment.
      YABLOKOV
      Vassily B.
      NESTERENKO
      Alexey V.
      NESTERENKO

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/61517283/Yablokov-Chernobyl-Book


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    • VanneV anne

      Health consequences of Chernobyl: the New York Academy of Sciences publishes an antidote to the nuclear establishment's pseudo-science.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058538


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    • jec jec

      Not all of us 'missed' the damage from Chernobyl. My family didn't with teen daughter contracting thyroid cancer, birth defects,pancreatic cancer and autoimmune diseases. Could be age, could be luck and girls do have more issues with radiation.


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    • weeman

      I would like to bring one thing to your attention, when it comes to radiation.
      For life to propagate on the surface off a plant you must be protected from solar radiation, that tells me that there is a limit to the amount of radiation a living organism can obsorbe, before DNA damage makes life impossible, that is how important it is not to exceed a level that is unknown.
      My problem is there is no definitive paper.outlinning what levels cause damage and the effects of Alfa, Bata and gamma rays on the organism, especially if all three are at play at the same time, they don't know and are only speculating, that is why they can increase safe levels with impunity, not right.
      It is only a matter of time if we continue down this slippery road before we exceed that unknown level.


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    • Sickputer

      The anecdotal account of healthy humans from the Chernobyl area detracts from the main thread line of this important news and followups for Zardoz should be in the Discussion thread Effects of Low Level Radiation.

      This latest news by mainstream media is a blockbuster event. Fukushima is now acknowledged as a nuclear accident beyond all others. Chernobyl now pales as a low level radiation event compared to this six-unit pileup in Japan.

      The news will get worse…


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      • We Not They Finally

        That's true, sickputer, but it is also fine to ADDRESS it here. Radiation is the most sinister poison to ever hit mankind, as you cannot see it, touch it, taste it, yet it works both long-term and irreversibly.

        It is part of why people are SLOW to get alarmed. So that should be addressed wherever it comes up. Or suddenly everyone will have a friend or a relative or a neighbor with some serious disease, and the sad wake-up call comes too late.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      zardoz2012…Want to know what radiation does to DNA?

      Gene pool corruption…See this Chernobyl preview of Japan's and the planet's future, I dare you. http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl


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    • IPPNW – Health Effects of Chernobyl 25 Years After The Reactor Catastrophe (69 million casualties); via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/ippnw-health-effects-of-chernobyl-25.html

      Nuclear Accidents, Recycling Nuclear Weapons/Fuel
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/p/nuclear-accidents-around-world.html


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      • What will those guy's children will be like, if they ever decide to try and have any?

        Around Chernobyl, the birth defect rate is over 90% and INCREASING, generation after generation..

        The health adults left standing after a nuclear accident can 'boast' all they want, and stay in denial for as long as they want. The effects of radiation work on the genes anyway, silently, corrosively, secretly, inside the atomic structure, with the person affected blissfully unaware anything is happening.

        Then we also have the incubation period. Most cancers do not show up for 15-30 years after initiation. So you have a lot of 'walking dead' zombies after a nuclear accident. They just do not know that they are dead yet. They can boast all they want. It will not change anything.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Japan shuts down last nuclear reactor — for now

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/15/world/asia/japan-nuclear-reactor-shutdown/index.html

    Shut them down..keep them shut down.
    What and have another Fukushima..while the world is trying to survive the ongoing effects…of the situation on-going?

    End Nuclear Power.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Japan is in denial..denial ..deny.
    They deny the centuries…the centuries invested in their culture.
    A waste..all honor washed away by visions of bowing cowardice.
    If Japan can not face the world..they should at least face their own people.
    Let them know that their lives..the lives of the ancestors were not in vain.


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    • ftlt

      HotR: It is NOT just Japan… It is everywhere and about most things around us…

      That "being positive" crap to cover our shame of standing by, seeing and doing nothing about things…

      Japan is no different than anywhere…

      Japan is not something new either.. History teaches us that the march and reach of capitalism has been and continues to be long and almost always ugly and hurtful to nature and most folks lives…

      Smash Capitalism


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      • We Not They Finally

        All good points, fttt — and global capitalism has morphed into something far worse than personal or even national capitalism.

        Yet in some respects, Japan is also one of the WORST places this could happen. It's not just the self-interest of the wealthy, but an ethic of cruelty and that the strong survive, the weak die, and it's the Japanese way.

        The survivors of Hiroshima were ostracized by the rest of Japan. 50,00 war orphans were allowed to starve following WWII because it was thought they might be angry about losing their parents and grow up to be non-compliant citizens. Some people could not escape Fukushima early on because they were nearly treated like traitors for wanting to leave their extended families.

        The stories about what they do with deformed babies rather than marking them "deformed" in their stats may be anecdotal for now, but then if they say oh, there AREN'T any deformed babies when all the other biological life is coming up deformed, then the issue is Japanese.

        The U.S.? Other problems. People think that capitalism is "free enterprise," or even that it is the same as "democracy." And it's unclear that we will be better protected in medical emergency AT ALL!!

        But every culture has its special liabilities. With Japan, want to see what the medical whistleblowers contacting Arnie Gundersen come up with — IF they are free to talk, IF they can secure proof.

        On the other hand, what we can all have in common internationally is…


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        • We Not They Finally

          I meant 50,000 war orphans.


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        • ftlt

          We This is the 2nd time on different threads you have said this about Japan in particular..

          Again, I think, you had better take a better look at this country – our historical and current record at home and around the world as to what we permit to go on – there is certainly no shortage of cruelty here at home – comparative statistics bear this out..

          Around the world cruelty is what we sell in the name of profit, freedom and so called free trade…

          America (in its so-called interests – now Borderless Empire neoliberal free market interests ) has long since passed even Imperial Japan for cruelty… Since, Mao and Stalin, the USA through our propped up proxy-dictators, supplied wars and wars is certainly the world leader in cruelty – hands down IMO…


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  • rogerthat

    Wouldn't it be wise to remove all the nuclear fuel from reactors 5 and six and their spent fuel pools? The site is becoming increasingly radioactive and another bad fire, say at reactor 4 spent fuel pool, or the rupture of many of the storage tanks through an earthquake, or if one of the runaway cores produces an explosion, might lead to the evacuation of the site. In that event, how would they keep a cooling system held together with plastic pipes and duct tape going? or don't 5 and 6 have this problem?


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    • jec jec

      Since they have to remove the salt from the water of Reactor 5 and 6..I dont think that site is as healthy as portrayed. Using reverse osmosis to 'clean' and desalinate the cooling water..sounds just like the other reactors of Fukushima. Good luck with fuel cell removal…


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    • We Not They Finally

      rogerthat, there are apparently A LOT of things they could-have/should-have done early on. Now, apparently, everything has to be done remotely, by cranes, which cannot even be stabilized on the soggy ground.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Crying about Japan being in denial is a waste of time. This is a world nuclear disaster and we need solutions.


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  • We Not They Finally

    We also NEVER get reports about reactors 5 & 6, and of the spent fuel pools in reactors 1-3, or even about Fukushima Daiini for that matter.


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  • The Japanese government has a past history of censoring negative information about health damage caused by corporate malfeasance, as in the mercury poisoning cases during the ’50s and ’60s, the HIV-tainted blood cases in the ’80s, and the Dioxin contamination problem in the ’90s. It has often avoided detailed epidemiological studies that might show a wider range of harm. In the Minamata mercury poisoning case, the central government even worked with the polluting corporations to minimize evidence showing the cause and range of the illness, in consideration of the negative economic impact such revelations would have. One reason Japan government agencies have a long history of favoring corporate entities like TEPCO over the welfare of citizens is the common practice of bureaucrats retiring to prime posts in the industries they once regulated.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/26/the-fukushima-generation-new-data-on-birth-defects-in-post-meltdown-japan.html

    Not a good habit to get into…


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