Published: July 19th, 2012 at 3:41 pm ET
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Title: Trying to Tally Fukushima
Source: NYTimes.com
Author: MATTHEW L. WALD
Date: July 19, 2012
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If the Diablo Canyon plant on the California coast released a similar amount of radioactive material [as Fukushima Daiichi did], doses would be far higher even though California is far less densely settled than Fukushima Prefecture is, the study said.
That’s because prevailing winds in Fukushima carried most of the contamination out to sea; in California, the researchers’ simulations showed, the radioactivity would be trapped by seasonal weather conditions and travel slowly along the coastline over populated regions of Los Angeles and San Diego before it moved offshore.
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“Prevailing winds in Fukushima carried most of the contamination out to sea”? Seen this: Worst radiation plume from Fukushima was blown over Tokyo on March 14-15 -- "This was the main deposition event over Japan for the entire disaster" -- Large fractions of cesium fell on land?
Published: July 19th, 2012 at 3:41 pm ET
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Would the radiation that came to LA and SD from Fukushima carried by the wind be 'trapped', too, traveling 'slowly along the coastline over populated regions of Los Angeles and San Diego before it moved offshore'?
Hell, LA is a basin surrounded by mountains. Everything gets trapped there. A little plutonium and uranium with your smog, sir?
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Well… yeah. But the actual area the Fuku-crap hovered over without moving much, thereby dropping its fallout sort of evenly over the landscape to make it the most Fuku-contaminated area of the North American mainland, was California's Central Valley. Where a large percentage of U.S. truck crops are grown for shipment everywhere.
Go figure.
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CARB (California Air Resource Board) won't address this. They are too busy keeping us from burning a log on Christmas.
EPA? Nope. They only care about radioactivity from coal plants.
FDA since lots of produce is grown just inland from there? Nope, too busy ignoring mad cow to be bothered.
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Well said!
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"A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from those who believe it's just a joke.”
– Søren Kierkegaard
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@TIS: thanks for the Kierkegaard. Good stuff…
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Hey, TIS. I resemble that clown!
"The clown remains a mysterious figure, a medieval character in the razzle-dazzle mechanization of the age of the atom. He's a crazy-house mirror into which men and women as individuals can look to see themselves, their friends, enemies and neighbors, and beyond them the forces that influence and sometimes threaten everyone's life. Clowning can be that serious."
Bill Ballantine, Founding Director, Ringling Clown College
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Good quote.
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I asked my German Jewish Holocaust survivor friends how the German people reacted to the plays and musicals of Bert Brecht and Kurt Weill. My friend Ruth, who was a Berlin theatre actress and auditioned for the part in Drei Grossen Oper awarded to Lotte Lenya, said, "They just laughed."
Ya das mer is blau so blau!
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Yea, the crazy nutjob who lobbed teargas and 1000? rounds into a crowded movie theatre was thought to be part of the movie PR campaign at first, till lots of people started dying.
Even after they KNEW, and had run OUT of the movie theatre, many ran back into the theatre, because more people outside were spreading rumors that the gunman would shoot anyone leaving the building.
Like lemmings, many people ran off the cliff, just as they are now with nuclear power, 'modern' medicine, and a GM foods diet, just to name a few
invisible extinction events that most people are subject to these days, without even realizing it.
First applause, then fear/panic.. both of them based on fear.. The movie was about fear, and the actual gunman was also promoting fear.. Be very afraid, cause someone is gonna get you, until the hero arrives and saves the whole world..
Most are waiting but doing nothing to save themselves or the ones they love from continuous, never ending disasters that kill, maim and cause 2,000 genetic diseases..
most doctors will not admit this however, and know little or nothing about low level radiation dangers.
Lists of nuclear disasters and radioactive incidents; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/lists-of-nuclear-disasters-and.html
Chernobyl Coverup And Denial Of 1 Million + Casualties; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/chernobyl-coverup-and-denial-of-1.html
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"..Emission rates of I-131 and Cs-137 in the model were constrained
by emission estimates based on inverse modeling of worldwide
Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization
(CTBTO) observed concentrations. The CTBTO is a network of
over 80 radionuclide monitoring stations used to detect and
quantify radioactive species from nuclear explosions as well as
fission-based products from nuclear power plants…"
"..Total (Bq)
cesium 134
6.526 10*16
cesium 137
1.696 10^16.."
".. Inhalation exposure, ground-level external exposure, and
atmospheric external exposure health effects were calculated for
all radionuclides using modeled air and ground concentrations
over the month-long simulation…"
and finally
"..The Chernobyl disaster has illustrated that long-term
psychological effects, including depression, anxiety, fear, and
unexplained physical symptoms, may increase following a nuclear accident.
Similar psychological effects are likely to occur in evacuees after Fukushima. Widespread mistrust of the Japanese government following the accident may also have contributed to these symptoms.
In addition to the physical and mental health effects discussed here, the accident also resulted in economic losses in the billions of dollars due to cleanup costs and reduced economic activity in radioactive areas around Fukushima…"
http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/TenHoeveEES12.pdf
physisist or pshycologist? prprprprprpr
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From Stanford:
"…unexplained physical symptoms, may increase following a nuclear accident."
Anyone need any more proof Stanford is pro-nuke? All part of the PR machine.
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The Stanford authors note that some 'unexplained physical symptoms' were among the 'long-term psychological effects' of the Chernobyl disaster. I think there are more than just a few unexplained long-term physical effects that pro-nuke nations want to avoid studying for fear they are related to radiation exposure. They prefer to have us think psychology is related to long-term neuro- and immuno-disfunction 'designer diseases' and syndromes instead of their true culprits: our exposures to nuclear radiation in our food and water that the EPA and FDA never test for. They pay scientists to get us to keep thinking anti-radiophobic thoughts. Check out the U.S. government agencies that funded the Stanford study: NASA (Nuclear Applications in Space Agency), the EPA (RADNET was half broken when the plumes hit the U.S.) and the Department of the Army.
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Scientists knew as early as 1947 that fission products released by atomic bomb tests could be deadly to humans and animals exposed during and after the tests:
http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/nucleartestingandthedownwinders.html
We're all 'downwinders' now. And they've been covering it up ever since.
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Half broken?
We could not find ANY that worked after 3/11 in California.
Anybody have records of any EPA radiation recordings for cesium, plutonium, etc from then until now in the USA?
And then again, can we even believe what they report, when things like the one below, go on constantly, all around the world?
Los Angeles Nuclear Plant Meltdown; Completely Covered Up; via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/los-angeles-nuclear-plant-meltdown.html
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West Coast is already messed up (research: crops, milk, fish, trees, your doorstep), etc.
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Sad but true…and living in Las Vegas makes it hard to avoid California products, the shelves are packed with them! We try to eat organic as much as possible, but almost all of the options are from CA. At least we have some local farmers markets that offer organic produce from NV and AZ(two states that have had a few doses of radiation over the years to say the least). I love dairy, but I'm afraid consuming it is becoming quite difficult to justify. The same can be said about red meat. The same can be said about a lot of things.
My long term answer is clear: relocate and restructure. Until then I'll be growing my own produce, ordering meat from select reputable vendors, and making the conscious effort to reduce the poisons I expose my body to.
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I have a hard time imagining that Cs dispersions missed organic farms…
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This is a worthwhile read: http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/December1989_Luebke.pdf
This tells how an Austrian farmer grew cesium free vegetables, even root crops, after his farm was contaminated by Chernobyl.
I believe that my exposure to harmful radionuclides, since birth until leaving home, was from fallout which contaminated my mother's garden and also from getting contaminated milk and meat.
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No doubt it can be mitigated in soil.
Are ALL organic farms employing such techmiques?
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No. Luebke was very involved with soil microbes and getting oxygenation throughout the depth of the soil, 30 inches. So it was a specific technique that markedly enhanced trace element and other nutrient uptake. Obviously if the plant has enough potassium in the soil, it will take up the potassium in preference to the cesium. It is not as simple as just getting enough potassium though. The article details some of the complexity. But he had remarkable results.
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Hi ML, looks like you found us. Welcome aboard.
Can you suggest a method or methods for achieving these results? It may be helpful if you posted to the Forum, i.e., "Methods for Combatting Radiation" area. Thanks.
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Sorry, ML, that probably sounded like a very cryptic comment. Can explain later.
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I wish I were versed in the methods and practiced them. It involves green manure and the right balance of bacteria to break it down, and proper aeration of the soil. Luebke even faced opposition by political leaders who didn't understand his method, but probably had contributers from fertilizer manufacturers. But his point is to keep the soil alive. Luebke worked at this for years. Perhaps someone else is versed in applying his methods. The article is meerly a start at understanding how to keep soils alive and healthy, which worked in keeping cesium out of the plants growing in the soil.
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Yet more propaganda to make you think that radiation stops at the California State line. It does not stop, and is constantly coming down in the rain. Does it rain where you live? Keep out of the rain.
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And a little something for the kids – massive whooping cough outbreak:
http://www.thirdage.com/news/pertussis-or-whooping-cough-cases-up-14-percent-in-washington-state_10-07-2011
Now into the teenagers. Moving up the age ladder:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48246479/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/t/whooping-cough-more-washington-problem-says-cdc/#.UAimoOP-2So
Cases now over double last year at this time:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_WHOOPING_COUGH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-19-17-29-38
At this pace, the number for the entire year will be the highest since 1959, when 40,000 illnesses were reported. Hmm.
1950's nuclear testing fallout worse than thought:
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-03-01/us/nuclear.fallout_1_nuclear-tests-fallout-hot-spots?_s=PM:US
I'm sure Stanford, MIT or the CDC is working on this right now.
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OUCH! that must have hurt the ICRaP model some.. i am sure you will find a virus or alcohol use,, maybe diet, umm ? poverty? or a combination, errr!
the obvious connection is "acute radio phobia" the timing is good for that..
great sleuthing timeisshort!!
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TiS,
"I'm sure Stanford, MIT or the CDC is working on this right now."
Depends how much the DOE is paying for the research…
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Good One!
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But they are blaming lack of immunization on this rise, not radiation.
The solution? More vaccinations!
More poisons for the body to try and counter…
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saikado hantei!!!
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Sounds like a Kool sounding masculine Fukushima/Tohoku dialect of "saikado hant'ai'". Did you entend that? Or was it just a typo?
I was often teased by people in Ibaraki and Tochigi, because my language tapes were a polite, fem-sounding tokyo dialect.
Can't remember how many times people asked if I was a "homo".
Since I have nothing against gays, it never bothered me that much.
And it was best to speak the polite way, so as not to ruffle any feathers.
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TIS: the article on the 50s fallout worse than thought: http://articles.cnn.com/2002-03-01/us/nuclear.fallout_1_nuclear-tests-fallout-hot-spots?_s=PM:US
I was surprised to see the word might be getting out. Then I noticed the date, 2002. So it got swept under the rug.
Lots of good info on this and the AEC coverups in Richard L Miller's book: Under the Cloud.
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Thx, ML, so here we are 10 years later and i think neither political party has the will to really take this on. It is really, really time for a new nuclear resistance here in the US.
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There are good researchers out there, and then there are the other guys. How much bad information got accepted as data supported proof, when it wasn't, and is now taken as gospel in the scientific community?
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/epic-fraud-how-to-succeed-in-science-without-doing-any/
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i'm reading it from your other link. it's a black comedy.
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Yeah, richard. Some probably fake the data cuz they are really incompetent but want the money that comes with publishing papers. No publishing, no job. And, some might even be whacked in the head limited conscience personality types who just want to be scientists but aren't any good at the actual work involved. Scary that any number of conclusions have been drawn in any number of fields of science based on faked data. I had an anthropology teacher once who said that in America, people are conditioned to not leave any blanks unfilled in data questionaires, so they just fill them in with something. Then, that answer is data entered by someone else into a mainframe, and on it goes. Oddly, it makes me laugh more than cry.
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yes Vic, a recent phone survey that I accepted to partake (i do like to test the waters) reminded me of the loaded questions of surveys. I realised the interviewer wasn't into varying the script and any alternate answers would not be recorded anyway.
What I decided afterwards though was, yes, partake a survey, then once a question is found to be double edged, note it to the interviewer. If they can't make a variation then that's where the survey should end. well.. just my thoughts anyway.
i could give quotes from your link, but i think people should just read it. there are some good words to heed.
besides, almost 50% of scientists are below average.
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Btw, the "trapped over Los Angeles and San Diego" is hogwash, as radiation is reaching Arizona just fine.
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Unfortunately true
Bakersfield, Sacramento, Fresno, Yuma, and Phoenix seem to have much higher levels than San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego
At least, that was according to EPA Radnet before they started manipulating the data so significantly that the readings no longer have value…
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