NYTimes: Urgent Warnings as Sandy Strengthens — Hurricane-Flood-Blizzard could stay over region for days — Feds with satellite phones stationed at nuclear plants (MAPS)

Published: October 27th, 2012 at 3:52 pm ET


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New York Times, 3:15p ET: Urgent Warnings as Hurricane Sandy Strengthens and Heads to Northeast […] There were also fears of widespread flooding inland. […] The full moon on Monday could cause even greater flooding because tides would be at their peak.

AP: Frigid air coming south from Canada also is expected to collide with Sandy and the wintry storm from the west, creating a megastorm that is expected to park over the northeast for days. […] HIGH TIDES COULD WORSEN FLOODING: A full moon means the tides will be higher than usual, which will make it easier for the storm’s powerful winds to push water into low-lying areas. […] COMBO OF SNOW, WIND INCREASES RISK FOR WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES: […] The superstorm brings two possibilities for knocking out electricity. For one, hurricane-force winds of at 74 mph could send tree branches into power lines, or even topple entire trees and power poles. Those left standing could succumb to snow, which could weigh down still-leafy branches enough to also topple trees.

NJ Star Ledger:  “We’ll have to see where it goes, but it looks like it’s going to have a pretty good hit on New Jersey,” [Neil Sheehan, a spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission] said today. Sheehan said that federal inspectors with satellite phones will be stationed at the plants through the storm.

View a map of East Coast nuclear plants under threat here

Published: October 27th, 2012 at 3:52 pm ET


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49 comments to NYTimes: Urgent Warnings as Sandy Strengthens — Hurricane-Flood-Blizzard could stay over region for days — Feds with satellite phones stationed at nuclear plants (MAPS)

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Bracing for impact in the North East with severe weather will be a change from the recent calm belt. I hope one of the storm fronts is delayed so we don't get all 3 at once.

    • Maggie123

      Grampybone – I hope so too (that one of the fronts is delayed). It sounds as if you're located within the storm zone. Take care – my thoughts are with you and others facing this!

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    Zoom in on the east coast in the map below of the u.s. NPPs and see the plant locations, and the past and present safety issues compiled by the Union of Concerned Scientists, and then figure out why the biggest safety issue of all, namely power failure and cooling-loss disaster, is not on their list:


    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      jump-ball: Because, like Tepco, they never anticipated such a situation!~!~! DuH? Why didn't they think of that?

      Answer: Because they didn't want to think about it.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        Exactamundo. There's a word for the blindness of experts: I call it 'professional incapacity', the inability to perceive situations and circumstances beyond one's more narrowly confined/defined area of expertise.

        The BP-Macondo Gulf of Toxico disaster was a recent example, wherein to a professional group of corporate petroleum pipeline engineers, everything looked like a "leak", in need of a "seal", which they attempted to fix, when in likehood a fractured and weak ocean-basin sandstone structure was the real problem, as perhaps indicated by the recently recurring Macondo area oil sheens.

        Tepco's boiling-water expertise confines them to solutions of "cooling", and lack of training in any aspect of disaster containment will prove their professional disgrace and undoing.

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    We think 'batteries' and 'nuclear cooling ponds' used in the same sentence are also grammatically incorrect:

    "Beyond Nuclear…submitted emergency action requests to an NRC safety review panel regarding safety concerns at all 23 General Electric Mark I Boiling Water reactors in the United States.
    These reactors are the same model as the ones that exploded at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Japan.

    Individual GE Mark 1 storage pools in the United States, as at Vermont Yankee, Pilgrim near Boston, and Fermi 2 near Detroit, hold more high-level radioactive waste than all four failed units at Fukushima Daiichi put together, says Kamps.

    The petitioners argue that alternating current from generators and direct current from battery banks should be installed to cool densely-packed high-level radioactive waste cooling ponds that sit six to 10 stories up in the Mark I reactor buildings.

    Fermi 2 in Monroe, Michigan is the largest Fukushima Daiichi identical twin reactor in the world, and without electricity the storage pool will begin boiling away within four hours and twelve minutes, according to Detroit Edison documents,” said Kamps. “The potentially catastrophic reactor and radioactive waste risks at Fermi 2 could harm the entire Great Lakes and beyond.”

    Environment News Service (http://s.tt/1oI3W)

    • getoutwhileyoustillcan

      "Fermi 2 in Monroe, Michigan is the largest Fukushima Daiichi identical twin reactor in the world, and without electricity the storage pool will begin boiling away within four hours and twelve minutes, according to Detroit Edison documents,” said Kamps. “The potentially catastrophic reactor and radioactive waste risks at Fermi 2 could harm the entire Great Lakes and beyond.” "

      Thanks for mentioning that. I lived less than an hour's drive from there, before I packed up and moved to Chile after 3/11. And where I grew up was even closer. That might help me convince some people who are very important/dear to me to at least consider preparing for what hopefully won't happen.

  • markww markww

    Ham Radio is up and running in The USA red cross salvation army ,fire responders we are ready Markww

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      I'm glad you're ready, markww. I should be as I'm in the eye but I keep thinking it isn't going to be that bad. Of course that was what I thought at the beginning of Fukushima. Maybe I should just start driving west.

      • Maggie123

        moonshellblue – I trust you're staying put at least for now because you believe your home, etc., is OK to ride out a rough storm! The choice dilemma has got to lean toward staying put – or at least it would for me. But I do hope you've examined your situation! I've a nephew and family facing the same choice – will try to get in touch with him or his mom later this evening. Take care!!

    • Maggie123

      MarkW – hooray for ham operators!!! Thank you!

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    We are watching 2 other sites that understand the fuku-power-loss-disaster and regularly report facts and details of the developing NPP crisis, namely Rense.com and George Washington at Zerohedge.com:


  • aigeezer aigeezer

    "We’ll have to see where it goes… a spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission] said today." Very helpful (not).

    Meanwhile. the NRC site preens as always:

    :… the NRC established a task force of senior agency experts to determine lessons learned from the accident (Fukushima) and to initiate a review of NRC regulations to determine if additional measures needed to be taken immediately to ensure the safety of U.S. plants. The task force issued its report on July 12, 2011, which concluded that there was no imminent risk from continued operation and licensing activities."


    Perhaps they will be lucky this time – perhaps not – as the man says "we'll have to see where it goes".

  • ncmissouri

    It may not be popular, but I limit what influence Rense information gives me because Rense advocates Edgar Cayce, a known trance inducer. Also I like George himself, but worry about his reliance on fortune telling by computer bot messages. What Rense and George say may be true, but they have dark forces playing with them.

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      The dark forces exercised by the nuclear-government-msm mob that have put and are keeping world citizens in a trance while bombarding them with nuclear contamination are in my opinion far more ominous.

    • Maggie123

      Interesting take on Rense ncmissour. As it happens I also don't listen to him but for entirely different reasons. He's one of several broadcasters whose general theme interests me, and whom I *might* – all conditions 'acceptable' – listen to from time to time. But I really have a problem with the "evil socialism/communism" meme – not because I claim there have not been atrocities, but because I've studied conditions of the people before revolutions led by communists and know how bad it was. Also – I've studied atrocities committed by "western" nations "in the name of freedom/democracy" and they're pretty dreadful – running from slavery to violent displacement of people living on a land, to leading coups against democratically elected leaders. I've studied the philosophies behind socialism/communism a bit, have taken time to learn what Marx actually said. There's a deep notion of commitment to individual autonomy buried in that philosophy. I guess one difference from "Western" individualism is that socialism/communism place greater emphasis on cooperation over competition. … not on topic and a deep study but wanted to comment to your Rense thoughts. (I'm not bothered by mysterious talents such as Cayce displayed — personally I find them intriguing and indicative (perhaps) of a "universal consciousness".) 🙂

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What are the Feds going to do?..call for pizza delivery.

  • WindorSolarPlease

    1..Fill some containers with fresh water (and cover), so you, your family and pets may have clean drinking/cooking water in case there is a problem with plumbing/drainage systems.

    2..Fill bathtub full of regular water, for secondary purposes.

    3..Check to ensure you have food, basic emergency supplies such as flashlights, batteries, first aid kits, generators, candles, matches, can opener, etc. Expect that there may be no power for as long has 3 days or more.

    4..Fill up your car gas tank, keep your cell phones charged, and take some emergency cash out of ATM (as they may be emptied, not be working/accessible during/after storm).

    5..Keep an eye on the news and state/citywide alerts as it unfolds, and ensure that if you are in a hurricane zone, that you know which areas are subject to flooding and evacuations ahead of time. You may contact your local city government or search online for a "Hurricane zone map" for your city/state.

    6..Ensure to remove lawn/patio furniture or items that can be propelled by the winds.

    7.. Consider to park your vehicles in an area not subject to falling trees, or other hazards.

    8..Gather whatever other special preparations you may need to make for your unique needs.

    9..Make sure you have enough of your medicine to last you

    10..Have blankets ready, heavy duty plastic, and duct tape

    11.. Pack a quick get away bag and seal important papers

    I'm sure there are other things to do

    • jump-ball jump-ball

      Thanks WSP, your list reinforces our left-coast preparation, even tho we are thinking solar-CME grid loss, and many preparations apply to hurricane survival as well:
      * When store registers go down, they will quickly run out of cash change, so we have put away several $100 'straps' of paper dollars, fives and tens so as to be able to make changeless purchases from stores that still have supplies.
      * When MDs wouldn't give us advance 'convenience prescriptions' like they used to do for travel overseas, we took very slightly reduced doses over many months, building up our 3-4 month emergency supply, plus, we have obtained 'pharmacy grade' antibiotics from fish supply stores.
      * We have a crank-rechargeable-battery-powered radio with an LED, plus 2 $25 solar battery chargers to keep us powered up in our 360 sunny day/year location in desert cities CA.
      * Five 5 gallon food-grade buckets with lids for $25 total, filled with another $50 of flour, rice, dry beans, and a salt-white rice dessicant base, will provide months of basic food using our CA solar cooking methods.
      * Two $20 gravity water-filters, with extra filters, plus unscented clorox to purify if necessary, and a $13 AMZN water test meter, will give us water.
      * And for those who haven't mountain-climbed or done extended hikes, bulky TP has been replaced by long-lasting, compact coffee-filters.
      The cost of this and more complete prepping is low: regret for not having protected your family is high.

      • WindorSolarPlease

        jump-ball, you need to do my shopping!!

        Quote: we have obtained 'pharmacy grade' antibiotics from fish supply stores.

        From fish stores, they carry antibiotics??

  • markww markww





    • richard richard

      haarp is a farce. stop with perpetuating a myth.

      • Jebus Jebus

        The truth is, you have no more proof or clues that it is a myth than anyone does that it isn't. So, stop being a thread nazi and post something that refutes this "myth". Ignorance is no proof…

        • Carbon 14

          So, what you're saying is that you believe it as a matter of faith. That is not convincing.

          The powers that be require the populace to be confused and distracted. Thank you for doing your part in helping them.

        • richard richard

          The truth is, there is plenty more stark reality issues to deal with. anything that is fuzzy or grey is a distraction.

          find the right thread, and the whole taperstry can be unwoven.

          keep tugging at the frilly edges and you will be confused for eons by the intricacies.

          face real, known, actual issues. apply energy to the known knowns. all else is a distration. probably deliberate.

          • Carbon 14


            I think one of those threads is nuclear energy. It's clearly not good for humanity. Convincing the populace of its dangers and calling for its ban is totally do-able, despite the huge challenge. It has worked in Germany and is semi-successful in Japan.

            The tapestry methaphor is compelling. Thank you, Richard, for the clearing the air.

      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        Close your mind, and speak self-righteously and dogmatically!
        I agree with Jebus. His statement is reasonable. Richard's is not.

    • guezilla

      I know this is pretty unpopular opinion here (and it's not the only one), but… while I obviously agree with freedom of speech, if nothing of significance happens in NYC/Rhode Island, will people finally shut up about HAARP?
      No? Thought so…
      I suppose it's fair though, I'm sure people won't stop ridiculing HAARP even if Rhode Island gets wiped off the map, because "it could be a coincidence". But I'm personally fairly sure we'll see nothing of consequence.

      • Jebus Jebus

        The problem with the ignorance on the subject is the blanket denial of the word HAARP. It is a technology, with worldwide installations, a scientific community, and an admittance by officials that it is real. It is the intent, of the scientific atmospheric experiments, that remains a mystery. So unless anyone can undo all of the above, the HAARP deniers ignorance shines through on this subject…

        • Carbon 14

          The powers that be require the populace to be confused and distracted. Thank you for doing your part in helping them by perpetuating the HAARP myth.

          A sense of powerlessness can sometimes encourage a belief system of 'special knowledge', like HAARP, chemtrails, and other fringe theories. Please try to understand that dynamic and work to increase self-knowledge rather than confuse.

          • Jebus Jebus

            What myth? Take it to the off topic forum where I had posted the same link earlier in the day. It's funny how a fact gets grouped into a conspiricy theory by the detractors of the facts. They stick together for comfort, congratulating each other for support, keeping their minds closed for fear that something just might be.
            A closed mind is an ignorant mind….

        • guezilla

          I beg to differ, what shines through on this subject is the HAARP-theorists eagerness to call any who would disagree with them ignorant idiots or shills and deniers. Along with lack of verifiable predictions based on all this knowledge of HAARP.

          But that aside, how about taking on the actual question, what if nothing actually happens around Rhode Island? Or what if it does? Is anybody here willing to re-consider their position?

          Scientifically, one has to consider the "haarpstatus.com"'s advertised network MAY actually be detecting something, even if it's not what they interpret it as. However, a quick look around reveals that nowhere have they ever revealed any of their methodology or how to even join this supposed volunteer-network. What it has instead is quite a few advertising banners.

          But, let's just have a closer look still shall we? According to image metadata, the "Real-time sensor network" image was created with Adobe Photoshop CS4 in 2010 and last edited today with Adobe Photoshop CS6… things that make you go hm…

          Still, the question stands – is anybody willing to re-consider their position?

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      It must be from a foreign country. HAARP in Alaska is ususually quiet if the chart it to be believed:


      Sometimes the HAARP activity is to steer the storm away from the coast.

  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    If the US cannot learn from the disaster at Fukushima, and the best that can be done is to cover it all up, then the USA and rest of the world is DEMANDING and NEEDING an even worse lesson.

    Nature cannot be beaten. It ALWAYS wins, long term.

    Those who have the hubris to dare to try and win against Nature will be humbled, sooner or later.

    The best puny humans can do is win a battle or two against the forces of Nature. Nature and Natural Laws always win the war.

    If you want to have long term success for seven future generations, work in HARMONY with Nature, not in competition with Her.

  • durando durando

    Bad enough to be in a blizzard I really hope it doesn't turn into a nuclear blizzard thank you pro nuclear anti humanity government.

    Going to really suck if I have to do a fallout bugout in the middle of a blizzard

  • arclight arclight

    Greenpeace: US tried to cover-up effects of BP’s Gulf oil spill _Real cost for BP 50 billion Dollars?

    "After the decomposed carcass was discovered, U.S. officials gave strict instructions to the crew aboard the vessels that no information or photographs were to be released. NOAA did later issue a press release about the dead whale, though it was soon edited in such a way that it appeared to minimize the oil’s effect on whales."

    “We believe a full throated debate over the settlement amount needs to happen before any deal is done,” said John Kostyack, a vice president at the National Wildlife Federation, who estimates BP’s potential liability at more than $50 billion."


  • Hurricanes can cause blackouts lasting a few days. A surprisingly possible solar storm can collapse power grids resulting in blackouts lasting for months all across the planet.
    That can cause meltdowns at multiple nuclear power plants endangering millions and possibly billions of lives.

    See http://www.aesopinstitute.org for an overview and suggestions for preventing the worst. Decentralized renewable energy can become a life saver. 50 million more solar roofs would be a good beginning.

    Revolutionary breakthroughs in energy are in the birth canal.
    Accelerating the best of them can supersede fossil and radioactive fuels faster than might be readily believed.

    See Cheap Green and Moving Beyond Oil on the Aesop Institute website for a few examples.

  • arclight arclight

    Nuclear industry prepared for hurricane, is confident of safety


    ny tmes article.. but dont worry entwhistle aint there yet!!