Experts: Tsunami debris 800 miles from US — Waters could be jammed starting next month — School buses, houses tearing up fishermen’s nets (VIDEO)

Published: September 8th, 2012 at 3:42 pm ET
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Fox 13 Washington:

Anchor: [...] The worst is yet to come. Experts say northwest waters could be jammed with tsunami debris as soon as next month. 500,000 tons of it.

Curtis Ebbesmeyer, Retired Oceanographer. “It’s going to be a terrible thing if it does start coming ashore… Just so enormous that we just… it’s going to take everybody.”

Anchor: He says the debris is now 800 miles off our shores.

He’s hearing from fishermen who’s had school buses and houses tear up nets.

[...] State relying on volunteers to pick up what they can.

h/t Anonymous tips

Published: September 8th, 2012 at 3:42 pm ET
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97 comments to Experts: Tsunami debris 800 miles from US — Waters could be jammed starting next month — School buses, houses tearing up fishermen’s nets (VIDEO)

  • Gnyf

    This is so cool.
    Conscience does not stop the fishing industry from catching and selling radioactive tuna. Perhaps this will.
    The fishing industry is not to blame for the Fukushima disaster, but that's no excuse for selling death and suffering to millions of people around the world.
    Radioactive food kills. Ban all products from the Pacific Occean.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Come one come all to the clean up radioactive hazard waste debris party.
    Hazmat suits will not be provided or required.
    Come as you are and take a risk.
    All ages are welcome. (sarc)


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Seriously though, there is a huge problem, and help will be needed.
      Be smart, protect yourself, and decontaminate yourself before going home.
      If you have a Geiger Counter bring it.
      Leave the kids home with Grandma.
      Be Safe


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      I have already seen articles asking families to come down to the beaches in SoCal and pick up debris.

      No word about any danger, nothing about radiation, just bring the kids down and help clean the beaches.

      I told one kid not to pick up any Japanese debris, that it might be radioactive, and his parents went crazy on me. They weren't even interested in finding out more, whether I was right or not.

      Parents leading their own children to slaughter. The ignorance of this problem, carefully orchestrated by our collective governments, is just appalling.

      You won't see Barack's kids or Mitt's kids at the beach picking up this crap. Let's see if Oregon Senator Wyden's kids help pick up any of this.


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      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        Time is Short, All you can do is give advice but it is difficult when parents don't heed our warnings for their children but thanks for trying and please don't get discouraged.


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        • MCBEKRL

          No – that is NOT all you can do:

          We are all victims, and Bekrl has had enough.

          This is a formal call to action. Occupy the Nuc Industry begins September 21st at your nearest Japanese embassy or consulate.

          Enenewsers rally your mates, and bring the fight to the soft underbelly of the beast. The J-gov will be mortified to see that people have finally had enough, and global rallies on their doorstep will be a major loss of face.

          The Consulates are responsible for being the rep of the J-gov… it is their job to answer your questions and concerned.

          September 21st it begins.

          go to http://www.bekrl.org for more info and motivation.

          You are the resistance.


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          • jump-ball

            Enenews members: Start your own personal protest, right now, right from your computer, with the email you think might get the attention of the Japanese Consulate General in L.A., at:

            info@la-cgjapan.org

            Maybe ask for information on how they plan to collect and decontaminate the incoming beach and coastal water debris, and when, and how will it be determined, that swimming and fishing will again be safe and clean.

            Consulate General of Japan in Los Angeles.
            350 S. Grand Avenue, Suite 1700 | Los Angeles, CA 90071 | Tel: (213) 617-6700 | Fax: (213) 617-6725

            "Please call our main line at (213) 617-6700 and ask for the appropriate extension to best answer your inquiry."

            Website:

            http://www.la.us.emb-japan.go.jp/e_web/jicc_top.htm


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            • Jebus Jebus

              They have it covered completely… Right?

              Japan to help pay for tsunami debris cleanup
              Retrieval plan could be in place by end of September

              The Japanese government will help pay for the disposal of debris washing up on Canadian and American shores due to the catastrophic tsunami which hit the country last year, according to press reports from Tokyo

              Japan does not have to take care of such debris under international law, but in a report on Monday the English-language Nikkei newspaper said officials would announce a plan to provide assistance to the U.S. and Canada later this month.

              http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/03/bc-japan-pay-tsunami-debris.html


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              • jump-ball

                Of course, and in conjunction with the BP scientists responsible for coordinating the Gulf of Toxico cleanup, oh, and as soon as the BP beach and water cleanup crew is finished in the gulf and can be transferred to the Lost Coast.


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            • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

              @jump-ball
              Asking for information is necessary and fine but I think we need to get people like fishermen on board with us. I bet they don't know the difference between ICRP and ECRR model for a start let alone what health damages the alph and gamma ray may cause.

              Approaching government at this stage will only raises their wall and it would fall on deaf ears. We need people power equipped with correct knowledge so that the government can't back down, hide or to squirt their political squid ink when questioned and asked to do the right thing.

              Perhaps if fishermen are told that their livelihood is at risk and they must get their act together otherwise they'll end up like Japanese fishermen who had to give up….then they might just listen what we have been trying to tell people.

              It seems that nobody is interested or willing to do anything unless it affects their income.


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            • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

              Having said the above, I am not sure how the US fishermen would react. It seems that UK/Irish fishermen may know about what's been dumped in the sea but it appears that they are keeping their mouth shut too for the sake of continuing their business. This is very much like the nuclear industry. "We know about it but let's hide it and don't tell 'em." I understand that we need income but what a life to carry such guilt of supplying radioactive food. I am wondering, isn't there moral people left on this earth!?


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              • Time Is Short Time Is Short

                Same with the fishermen in the Gulf. Just trying to hang on to any income at all, whether it's killing their customers or not.

                The 'win at all costs' corporate model, 'trickling down' to the masses.


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      • Andres Arce Andres Arce

        There should be 'Do not loot Japanese property' signs around.


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    • norbu norbu

      Blue light special on all japan goods this year. come on down your the next contestant on the radiation is right, next bid will be on a 18 passenger school bus, fully outfitted with fish and kelp….


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  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

    15% of the U.S. population is on food stamps. Unemployment (real) is over 20%. Danger?

    Hell, it's like a huge floating Wal*Mart during Christmas – FOR FREE. Americans will be all over that glowing garbage like rats. eBay is going to have to get a nuclear import/export license.


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  • nuknomore nuknomore

    A couple silly comments above mine here..
    This is going to be horrendous..
    I do wonder though.. Not having actually seen anything but a ariel shot from so high there was no real way to judge the size..
    Why can't it be blown up out at sea? Why can't the larger things, like bus's just be dropped into the ocean?
    I realize there is much contamination.. But a lot of the northwest coast is rock.. so it is going to break up and end up under the ocean on the coast anyway ..
    I also went and saw the dock.. It is surprising that something that large and heavy.. floated..
    This is going to be so ugly…Such a HUGE problem.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      It's going to clog all the harbors something fierce. It has the potential to completely disrupt all maritime traffic in and out.

      And if it is proven to be radioactive, it will have to be cleaned up by hazmat crews and disposed of properly. Too many Fuku-aware West Coasters to let this go unaware.

      This is a BFD.


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      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        And it's going to kill beach tourism and waterfront property values something terrible.

        A lot of LA/Malibu people have been selling to get ahead of this downtrend.


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      • richard richard

        On balance, the potential level of radioactive contamination is close to zero.

        If there is rads, it is unlikely to be on the leading edge. More so the trailing edge (and then forever more until fuku stops).


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        • Time Is Short Time Is Short

          Mathematically, the potential of radioactive contamination is 0-100 percent. The potential of level of radiation is from 0-Lethal.

          We will soon find out where on the scale it is.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I'm sorry for the ones having to deal with this mess when it washes ashore. But, and I might be alone with this view, I'm glad that it finally reaches landmass and humans can at least try to remove in parts what has been foisted on Sea life.
      To "blow up and sink" this mess to leave it to fish, whales and all the other lovely critters is just not right.
      Just my 2 cents.


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  • MCBEKRL

    I always wondered how beaches would end up being full of debris in end of the world movies like 'The Road'. We will see that 'movie set' in real life within a year.

    When I was in Japan I had to wash my car after rain fall to keep the radiation off. Spraying just with water even at high pressure did nothing to get the radz off, and I would have to go to a brush car wash. I would not be surprised if the debris still has a lot of radiation on it even after crossing the pacific.

    Volunteers cleaning up this mess should be armed with Geiger counters!


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    • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

      @Mcbekrl

      And remember, the photograph of all those cars belonging to the military working in Japan being transported shortly afterward #3 blew and being brought to Seattle (or the west coast). I wonder where they are now????


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  • Lee Binder

    how often did I hear "radioactive" or "Fukushima" in that news report? Thanks to ignorant idiots like those from Fox who have the DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to do better, the problem is even worse than it should be ..


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Geiger counter readings could speed the grand exodus from West Coast. We'll know soon.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi TheBigPicture

      Could very well happen…Since the media, governments are not warning the public I wonder how long, people will be able to get online to warn others?

      Everything is owned by the corporations, unfortunately the freedom we have online will eventually have to be stopped also.

      Online is a great tool to exchange information, information that is not being passed down to the public that should be.


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  • norbu norbu

    I have Inspector counter, we will go to the coast and take readings and will not be stopped. will video tape everything. We love the coast, but will never touch the Ocean again. I have archive video from the lost coast when it was clean and pristine. Bring's tears to my eye's. We wrote letters early this year to all mayor's from Alaska to southern California warning them about the debris that was coming, of course #1 telling them of Enenews and the great people and info here. Thank you to all the people who work so hard on this matter, like we would not like to be doing something else with our live's.


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    • PavewayIII PavewayIII

      Thanks for your efforts, norbu.

      This is surely a major health and environmental emergency, isn't it? Kind of makes you wish there was some federal level organization that managed emergencies. One that would suck up taxpayer dollars in anticipation of just such an event.

      You know – they could coordinate all kinds of stuff for any efforts, volunteer or otherwise. Like prepositioning those giant dumpsters appropriately marked for recycling, trash, etc. and coordinating pickup and replacement. Or maybe – if they had a bunch of Geiger counters – make them available so people could check objects at will. Or setting up some kind of web site so people would have some idea where debris was coming ashore or what areas had too few or too many volunteers. Maybe have Japanese translators available to help read labels and such for identification (like 'Plutonium – do not open').

      Most importantly (in my crabby opinion) they could coordinate some type of secured deposit points where people would know to drop off items of great personal or monetary value to be stored securely and turned over to the Japanese Embassy for return to the Japanese people. Some of those billions of empty Chinese shipping containers piled up everywhere would work perfectly.

      Gosh, if there was only such an agency…

      We have that FEMA thing, but they're busy figuring out how to microwave dessicate railroad cars full of people like me so we fit into all those 'coffin liners' better.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Hi Norbu,

      Used to live near Eureka, CA, and remember the Lost Coast well. Lovely area.

      Wrote some letters and e-mails to local mayors and city council people here, too. Sent lots of links to Enenews articles and articles in Pacific Northwest newspapers.

      Was asked to come and give a presentation at local City Council meeting. Wasn't able to do it due to schedule conflict.

      Nevertheless, the mayor, City Council, and Water Board here were made aware of the situation.

      Think I'll send an update and a link to this article, and ask if they have done any further research or taken action on their own.

      If they haven't yet done it, I guess it's time to get down to the City Council meeting to do that presentation, after all. Maybe now that there is further word on this, they will take it more seriously.

      I'm near Suisun Bay, east of S.F. Bay Area in California. Suisun Delta is the largest estuarine area in the contiguous United States.

      And we thought space junk was bad.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi norbu, enenewser Tacomagroove collected samples a while ago (around the time the dock came ashore, I think), and announced she'd have it tested at potrblog's and publish the results here.
      I haven't read from here since (has anybody else?).
      My guess and hope is there just wasn't anything to report, at least at that time.


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  • norbu norbu

    We could start are own agency. Sounds like a good idea!


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Here's some advice. Don't go near that debris. Don't even think about it. Get an inspector radiation detection device and stay at a distance. The west coast is in for a huge pile of Japan.


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  • norbu norbu

    thank you will not go near it.


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  • Sickputer

    Huge amount of fishing boats and dock infrastructure is amongst the surging ocean debris:

    "figures compiled after the March 11, 2011, magnitude 9 earthquake and the 9-meter to 30-meter-high tsunami it generated show that 25,014 fishing vessels were lost or damaged, at a cost of ¥1.7 trillion, and that 319 fishing ports were destroyed, at a cost of some ¥8.2 trillion.

    Although seven prefectures along the Pacific coast of the Tohoku region were directly affected by the disaster, the three for which fishery landings data for 2010 have not been released suffered by far the most. Specifically, Iwate lost 95 percent of its 10,522 fishing boats; Miyagi lost nearly 90 percent of the 13,570 commercial boats registered there; and Fukushima lost more than 80 percent of its 1,068-boat fleet.

    Even worse was the destruction of ports — both infrastucture and facilities. Iwate lost 98 percent of its 111 ports; Miyagi lost all its 142 ports; and of Fukushima's 10, all were lost."

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20120909x1.html


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  • Toby

    Paranoia runs deep.
    I just got back from a 8 days at Cape Disappointment State Park, at the mouth of the Columbia River on the ocean and using my Inspector Monitor 4 radiation detector, I found no evidence of any levels above normal background. At the campground they have a large brown dumpster with a sign on it that says, 'Dump Tsunami Debris here'.

    No mention of protective clothing or avoidance. The dumpster was almost full of debris, from sections of roof with asphalt shingles, to old car tires to an ocean going fresh water bin. My detector registered nothing unusual. Given that the meltdown occurred significantly later than the tidal wave, and given the incredibly large amount of ocean water to dilute what did seep into the waters of Fukushima, I do not expect any radiation tainted debris to reach U.S shores.


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    • Jebus Jebus

      I have to agree with you Toby. There won't be much radioactivity on that tsunami garbage as it has been through a giant "washing machine". The earth's huge oceans are the very reason that mankind has made it this far in time. The ability of the oceans to "digest" anything (so far) thrown at them is crucial to all life on earth. The power of the seven sea's daily routine is what give's this blue green marble the shield it needs to continue life into the future.
      But man has shown to be a game changer. Sure, the ocean will process the Fukushima disaster and will someday in the future return all that outwashing back to mother earths bins.
      But, the creature's that live in mother earths oceans, that a large percentage of life on this planet depends directly on for food, are the victims of mans inability to be good sheperds of this planet.
      The tsunami debris will come and go, but time will tell if this is the point at which mother earth gets indigestion, and rejects the chemical soup that man continues to dump on her plate, without regard, back down mankinds throat…


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        the large percentage of life on this planet also depends on the ocean's biomass work fore the oxigen/co2 atmosferic interactions and balances..


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    • Mack Mack

      @Toby – What exactly is "normal background" in that area?
      Thanks.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      When were your baseline readings taken, Toby? Right at the mouth of the Columbia River, you're getting all the hundreds of thousands of gallons of radwaste leaking upstream from Hanford, so you'd need baseline readings from at least a decade ago.

      This Hanford radwaste exits the Columbia River and hits the California Longshore Current, taking it south along the West Coast. This will only make the debris field much more radioactive, and is also a source of radiation in the West Coast kelp and seafood:

      http://ceres.ca.gov/ceres/calweb/coastal/waters.html

      The West Coasters are getting a double dose of lethal radwaste in their seawater.


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  • CBuck CBuck

    The debris will be bad enough, but here is something I hadn't considered…the sea life that the debris will bring in that could endanger the ecosystems of the west coast. It's all a big, crazy mess and I don't know if anyone has a clue as to how to fix it.

    http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T120903003045.htm


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  • jump-ball

    In the 1950s a typical CA beach day with my parents consisted of a 3 mile trip from our coastal hills residence to the Del Mar beach, with an enroute 'garbage stop' where we drove to the edge of a cliff and dumped our household trash over the edge into the city's smokey, burning refuse dump (now residential Lomas Santa Fe), followed by a day at the beach, watching out for oil deposits in both the sand and surf coming from leaking kelp-cutters harvesting slowly just 1/2 mile offshore, then returning home and cleaning the oil off our feet with turpentine.

    If Moonbeam Brown and Japan combines burning of the trash (as being done in Japan) with some BP style cleanup of any incoming beach oil, a trip to the CA beach may become a giant leap to the past: "plus ça change…".

    Current $1000/sq.ft. CA beach properties were in the 1950s run-down with 'slum-like' valuations, and maybe those days are returning too.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Contents from the blown Daiichi reactors on the debris field is a concern.


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  • * Thanks for your fine efforts: alerting city councils, inspecting beaches with Geiger counters and posting a record of your background readings for reference (Jebus).

    * Since the initial, storm-washed, wind-blown debris is expected to arrive ahead of major ocean plumes, it may well be no worse than whatever else floats in –per Toby, Anthony and Jebus. Still: I think it’s best to take along a small (plastic bagged) Geiger counter, to take care –lest you get exposed to leaking tanks and barrels of who knows what, and to not use children for beach cleaning.

    * It’s a tough call as to how long background readings should be averaged, but 1 minute readings with a small GM tube in (say) a rock steady 16cpm gamma field can be expected to vary +/-4cpm (“Poisson distribution”) and +/-12cpm in the course of a morning or an afternoon. 10 minute averages (which can, of course, be easily extracted from 1 minute readings) should cluster more like +/-1.25cpm (+/-4cpm around -say- 16cpm through the day) –barring actual changes in the background level.


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    • * At close range and using 100 minute counts, most beach sands should have noticeably higher readings –due to natural radiation from thorium/daughters (blacker sands), uranium/daughters and maybe potassium content. By reading samples in my office, I got 10 to 12cpm above background (mostly beta) –from 12 grams of sand at about ½ centimeter with an “Inspector” Geiger counter. Similarly, many (dried & ground) foods will read higher due to their K-40 potassium component –so don’t be fooled.

      Craig


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Agreed Craig,
        So the rule of thumb is:
        100 CPM, be alerted
        200 CPM, be alarmed
        300 CPM, speak up
        400 CPM, step away
        500+ CPM, run away
        1000+ CPM, run like cats on fire…


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        • Sickputer

          Jebs gives a neat gamma ray guide:

          "500+ CPM, run away"

          SP: Maybe the nucleocrats in Washington, DC will run away.

          After all… They are just 103 miles away from these Sadnet readings:

          http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/Harrisonburg-VA-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx

          And Harrisonburg is 40 miles from North Anna, which took a way beyond basic design hit August 23, 2011. They restarted the plant, but who knows what lurks in the inaccessible bowels of that shaky plant? Might come alive some day and roast a few politico nuts.

          At least somebody in WV has enough guts to post gamma readings. Can't say the same for some other former hotspots like Amarillo. They might as well take their little promise to get the monitors corrected as soon as possible. That nucleocrat lie from Sadnet is getting mighty stale.

          Check and see how cities are offline for gamma readings and I suspect the ones with readings are falsified:

          http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nuclear-radiation-monitoring-every-us-city-single-page-16511/


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          • Jebus Jebus

            LOL! If yer gettin 500+ CPM of GAMA from bending down and reading a piece of driftwood, it's almost too late for you!
            Your huevos have been exposed! Your shadow should be struggling to keep up…

            Those free air detectors used by skynet..err.. sadnet, are way more sensitive (I hope, and they should be) than a standard good quality geiger mueller tube.

            I really believe it would take a North Anna Fuku to get those lame ass politicians up off their stacks of money and realize that nuclear power is not the radiation free cash cow that they think it is…

            cheers SP


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  • * Common sense says the debris will at a minimum be toxic.

    Clorox bottles, comet, varnish, oils, paints, etc… No telling what combined concoctions of these harmful substances is going to do to the environment and to people. For that reason alone I wouldn't touch the stuff and definitely not children.

    I disagree (somewhat) with the theory that the debris was mostly ahead of the blasts at Fukushima therefore it won't be radioactive.

    One reason is that as the debris field crossed the ocean it was rained on. No telling how 'hot' that rain could have been at times.

    Second reason is that currents and debris flow at different speeds at different depths. Some debris will float just below the surface. Mixing occurs that we don't see.

    Either way, the debris should be thoroughly tested.

    * Why not send out a ship with a big scooper on it, test it, then we would know something in advance.


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  • norbu norbu

    I am wondering how can the numbers be so hi on sea kelp from corona del-mar, but not be hi on incoming debris?http://enenews.com/40000000-bq-of-iodine-131-in-a-single-bed-of-kelp-off-southern-california-amount-most-likely-larger


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      That's right, norbu. 100% correct.


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    • Exactly!

      The way fallout comes down it can also be 'spotty' in a random-like insidious way. Parts of the debris could be okay, while other areas and materials might be highly contaminated.

      Lack of foresight by our leadership and agencies is no excuse. IGNORance or negligence is NOT and excuse either.

      Don't forget, the first waves of this will be followed by YEARS of debris.


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  • kalidances

    So these genius volunteers are treading into waters receiving daily doses of radiation and handling radioactive debris barehanded that they know nuclear employees needed special biohazard protection suits for back in Japan?
    Apparently these people think that the halflife guidelines for cesium 134 and 137,strontium, and plutonium are gentle suggestions rather than life-changing warnings.


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    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      Not one word about any dangers at all – radiation, chemical, biological – from ANY of the beach cleanup orgs, like Surfrider, Ocean Conservancy, none of them.

      And they all make a big point about it being a 'family' outing. Bring the kids, have a wonderful day at the beach.

      They all know, and they're all complicit.


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  • norbu norbu

    We will not hear a word from any of them. We will find out soon because I am going to make a special trip to the coast to take measurements. Probably from multiple locations up and down the coast. Will take lap top with so it can be recorded on a graph.


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    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      norbu , thank you in advance. I have a question , are you planning to do this alone ? Just in case you got harrassed , would be good if somebody could film that too .


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  • norbu norbu

    Thanks for asking, myself and my girlfriend. We will be safe.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Once the debris starts arriving, our neck of the woods can be tested as well; San Francisco Bay area north… So far, the beaches in this area are clean and clear.

    The countdown has begun… 800 miles and closing.

    NOAA says the debris is no big deal, and no radiation is on it.

    They could easily send a ship out and test the debris 800 miles out..

    http://marinedebris.noaa.gov/tsunamidebris/debris_model.html

    How much can NOAA be trusted? How much can the EPA be trusted?


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  • dharmasyd dharmasyd

    Maybe they'll tear up those pursehanger gill net boats. They are a destruction derby to beautiful marine life all by themselves.

    But it is prbly (sic) not that easy.


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